Oh, Dragonblood
#lore-discussion
split mortar
There’s a blood god I doubt a blood dragon is possible
spare pier
Being real, I have no idea
fierce pagoda
noooooo
split mortar
Guess we will have to wait to see if it gets clarified in sso
warm gull
how it feels to learn that lore writers are not a hivemind
spare pier
We've been wanting to rewrite slightly a few Lore Items as I said
That might be one of the things that gets cut
Because I genuinely haven't seen any talk about it
fierce pagoda
hey maybe the whole dragonblood thing just gets thrown in the trash
warm gull
just ping cei instead and hope she doesn't decide to be deliberately vague
light linden
hi rebecca
dusk laurel
EoL whisper...
warm gull
cei probably knows since reb doesn't
spare pier
hey maybe the whole dragonblood thing just gets thrown in the trash
Most likely outcome
warm gull
maybe stip would idk
spare pier
I genuinely haven't heard a single talk about Dragonblood in Dev
fierce pagoda
oh wow
fierce pagoda
its only mentioned once in the whole entire mod
by Duke fishrons lore item
makes sense its a forgettable concept
one thing i want to ask about, is if we are getting more or rewritten tooltips for material items
split mortar
Maybe it’s yharim being a old geezer but I doubt he would be unknowledgable on dragons offshoots like duke or lie about them
dusk laurel
one thing i want to ask about, is if we are getting more or rewritten tooltips f...
Like ores and such?
split mortar
What materials would need rewriting?
fierce pagoda
ores, essences, meld
dusk laurel
Maybe it’s yharim being a old geezer but I doubt he would be unknowledgable on d...
I think the lore whisper rewrites are trying to make Yharim sound less stupid too, like Storm Weaver clearly is not the same species as DoG
fierce pagoda
What materials would need rewriting?
not because thye need it, but maybe to fit in more lore in them
because i want more lore
dusk laurel
I agree
split mortar
He is just bad at biology I think
spring helm
We've been wanting to rewrite slightly a few Lore Items as I said
😱 Calamity lore rewrite coming soon
#32785
split mortar
Maybe he’s good with other sciences
warm gull
like half the time when someone spots an inconsistency people say "well that's just because yharim is stupid"
spring helm
why would he be good at that sort of thing
warm gull
yharim should have some in depth knowledge of things
split mortar
He did exist with draedon for ages
warm gull
he is over 100 years old and is attuned to yharon who is far older than that and also his closest friend
split mortar
And has had close relations to some of the smarted people alive for decades
fierce pagoda
I wonder if the lore devs sometimes look at what's about to be revealed and think "yeah they are gonna lose their minds when they find this out"
warm gull
I doubt it
dusk laurel
Bone serpent has 2 interesting things in its entry, I will not explain further
split mortar
I would be surprised if they don’t
warm gull
Bone serpent has 2 interesting things in its entry, I will not explain further
obsidian scales
fierce pagoda
one of them is that they are draconic offshoots
split mortar
obsidian scales
Vanilla lore moment?
warm gull
bone serpents are undead
fierce pagoda
it came to me in a dream
warm gull
Vanilla lore moment?
vanilla lore indeed
dusk laurel
Bone Serpent is getting a rewritten entry yeah
warm gull
haven't read the calamity bestiary
split mortar
In vanilla lore they’re straight up dragons
warm gull
for vanilla creatures
split mortar
haven't read the calamity bestiary
Vanilla entries aren’t rewritten yet
dusk laurel
They are in SSO
warm gull
gotcha
warm gull
then why'd you say thst 2 of the things in it are important as if you've read it
dusk laurel
Dev statement
warm gull
ic
wheat walrus
so back
split mortar
then why'd you say thst 2 of the things in it are important as if you've read it
There was a leak that I don’t think they want to show so unwanted spoilers don’t spread
warm gull
don't really spend enough time here to catch dev statements
dusk laurel
Silly Triangle
split mortar
~~Silly Triangle~~
STFU
warm gull
are you talking about the pusheen leak?
fierce pagoda
are you talking about the pusheen leak?
the what leak?
dusk laurel
Did Pusheen leak smth
fierce pagoda
Did he go out with a bang and leak a bunch of stuff or something
split mortar
Whose pusheen
warm gull
guy named pusheen leaked a bunch of entirely unimportant lore
fierce pagoda
where can i see
warm gull
Whose pusheen
warm gull
where can i see
you can't it got supressed pretty quick
fierce pagoda
aww
warm gull
the documents still exist but the messages are gone
fierce pagoda
did you read them
warm gull
well I found them
and it doesn't really matter everything he leaked was ultimately ineffectual
mostly for addons
and mostly outdated
dusk laurel
ic
warm gull
the only things that mattered in it I guess was post ascension xeroc who is getting redesigned anyways
split mortar
the only things that mattered in it I guess was post ascension xeroc who is gett...
Oh that’s what’s with the post ascension leak I heard of
fierce pagoda
wow, it was all for nothing
dusk laurel
Was it getting redesigned because of the leak or was it already planned
warm gull
Was it getting redesigned because of the leak or was it already planned
wel have you seen the pre-ascension redesign
dusk laurel
Yeah
fierce pagoda
wow i checked pusheens youtube he made an apology video for some reason... damn it he deleted all his old videos i wanted to watch them again
dusk laurel
wow i checked pusheens youtube he made an apology video for some reason... damn ...
They what
warm gull
and if they redesigned an entire character just because their stupid patreon thing got leaked they have their priorities in the wrong place tbh
dusk laurel
That's true
dusk laurel
Shut.
brave dew
Vanillin you know not much about love do you
split mortar
Guys why have suffering when you can have love
Providence would look at that and call yous stpuid then burn you
brave dew
yous stpuid
warm gull
he outscales providence
brave dew
https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-touch-gif-4066678553980908484
That's pure love right there
split mortar
he outscales providence
Doesn’t mean providence won’t throw a fireball and dip
warm gull
suckuna
fierce pagoda
True love trumps providences shitty ideology
warm gull
Doesn’t mean providence won’t throw a fireball and dip
speedblitz providence
brave dew
that was sucky
You suck
upbeat pollen
was dog eating a chunk of astrum deus written out? i know it was a canon bit of lore previously but if it's no longer canon then sure w/ever
split mortar
True love trumps providences shitty ideology
Pretty sure the guardians and her are all in one big gay polycule
upbeat pollen
can't find any evidence of that in game
split mortar
was dog eating a chunk of astrum deus written out? i know it was a canon bit of ...
Yes
warm gull
and then suckuna said "heh... you really suck the fun out of everything don't you?"
upbeat pollen
ah, noted
split mortar
Deus is now just space worm that ate moldy star
fierce pagoda
Pretty sure the guardians and her are all in one big gay polycule<:XD:9361066288...
not true love
love amongst themselves
warm gull
melorn goo
split mortar
https://tenor.com/view/megunda-sukuna-sukuna-baby-megunda-baby-speechbubble-gif-...
Omni, what the genuine bloody fuck is that
brave dew
Bro fr
wheat walrus
Omni, what the genuine bloody fuck is that
huihuna
hghjhhuuhnyuna
hahgasehgehsghsehguna
brave dew
That's not sukcuna
dusk laurel
It's an abominable spawn of Noxus
brave dew
Noxus has nothing to do with this shit
wheat walrus
split mortar
We found what’s under mimikyu and I regret seeing it
fierce pagoda
Sukuna is so hot though
warm gull
https://tenor.com/view/thukuna-king-of-curtheth-sukuna-sukuna-smile-silly-jjk-gi...
a feral sense of dominance as all the blood melts into the rain
wheat walrus
https://tenor.com/view/thukuna-king-of-curtheth-sukuna-sukuna-smile-silly-jjk-gi...
I love that in the middle of the mahoraga fight they just added this random ass frame of sukuna's face
split mortar
Sukuna is so hot though
brave dew
Sukuna is so hot though
split mortar
a feral sense of dominance as all the blood melts into the rain
Scal flames vs sukuna flames who wins?
wheat walrus
Scal flames vs sukuna flames who wins?
scal.......
warm gull
sukuna doesn't flames
brave dew
What does sukunas flames even do
warm gull
sukuna cuts
fierce pagoda
el kamino
wheat walrus
sukuna has 1 fire attack
fierce pagoda
fire arrow
split mortar
sukuna doesn't flames
Literally kills the fire curse with flames
fierce pagoda
and that ||killed my precious Choso...
|| jjkspoilers
split mortar
sukuna can simply cut calamitas inside her bubble
Doesn’t scals bubble tank potentially space cutting weapons if the ark of the cosmos actually does
wheat walrus
Literally kills the fire curse with flames
yea but it ain't sukuna's main thing, and it's only 1 move (2 if you count the more destructive form that he does in his domain as separate)
warm gull
Doesn’t scals bubble tank potentially space cutting weapons if the ark of the co...
he doesn't need to cut the bubble is what I'm saying
just cut her
split mortar
Like he did with Gojo?
fierce pagoda
Sukunas domain is enough to dispatch Scal
wheat walrus
yea this is a case of
sukuna doesn't have the better attack potency but the abilities he has are perfect against scal
warm gull
Like he did with Gojo?
easier than gojo bc he doesn't even have to cut the world he can just look past the bubble
she has no space manipulation or anything like that
he can cut her no problem
just not the bubble
wheat walrus
the thing he did with gojo was simply:
don't target gojo since that won't reach him, target the exact point where gojo is standing instead
warm gull
yeah
wheat walrus
it's the difference between throwing a knife and teleporting a knife inside of someone
split mortar
he can cut her no problem
Don’t literal buildings not get destroyed from his hits?
fierce pagoda
world slash would insta kill Scal
brave dew
and NO one in calamity is touching Gojo
Gojo seeing as the terrarian enters his domain expansion with godmode and a rainbow party cannon
split mortar
https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-jujutsu-kaisen-fight-sukuna-...
O ain’t talking about the domain or fire arrow
fierce pagoda
is Sukuna large city level?
wheat walrus
O ain’t talking about the domain or fire arrow
i mean he still does a lot of destroying without those
split mortar
is Sukuna large city level?
deus out scales everyone iirc
wheat walrus
deus out scales everyone iirc
pure raw atp, most likely
fierce pagoda
astrum deus?
warm gull
it doesn't matter if a building gets destroyed by cutting or not
scal has the durability of a regular human
split mortar
astrum deus?
Yes
fierce pagoda
how strong is he
wheat walrus
but if you count in special attacks like unlimited hollow purple then maybe not
fierce pagoda
oh hes star level
split mortar
oh hes star level
Stars in cal are different
fierce pagoda
does astrum deus really destroy stars like that though?
split mortar
Guy eats magic meteors
fierce pagoda
yeha plus they are different too
wheat walrus
astrum deus throwing the astral meteor and causing an earthquake is like almost 900 kilotons
fierce pagoda
ok but throwing the meteor was like assisted by gravity
split mortar
Yeah but the meteor is not big enough to cause a earthquake that big
wheat walrus
the earthquake gojo caused in the manga is around 500 kilotons, at least as of the calcs I found
fierce pagoda
If i drop a huge rock from the 11th floor and break the conctere, it doesnt mean im concrete level now does it
wheat walrus
If i drop a huge rock from the 11th floor and break the conctere, it doesnt mean...
depends did you throw it with enough power to make it fall faster than its terminal velocity :/
split mortar
Yeah, but throw a rock and it shakes the entire building that ain’t gravity carrying
brave dew
Guys which cal character could beat the strongest jjk character
fierce pagoda
ok yeah thats true
brave dew
I assume xeroc
split mortar
Guys which cal character could beat the strongest jjk character
Potentially everyone past cultist
fierce pagoda
Xeroc gets waffle diffed
wheat walrus
split mortar
Xeroc pulling up with the actual fucking sun
Just crank the sun to max power
Boom they die of cancer
Idk
brave dew
So a guy is telling me every jjk characters are getting ez'd by a bird and some rocks and another one is saying that a powerful god gets ez'd
fierce pagoda
they fucking melt bro
split mortar
Xeroc is like country level minimum
brave dew
Probably more
fierce pagoda
Yuki ends entire Calamity verse by becoming a black hole
brave dew
You said he could pull up with the sun
wheat walrus
brainmold
split mortar
Yuki ends entire Calamity verse by becoming a black hole
Wow a suicide move is a huge af outlier
God of space/dragon of gravity
scenic olive
fierce pagoda
Wow a suicide move is a huge af outlier
God of space/dragon of gravity
bro is dead
brave dew
Very loreful discussion right there
scenic olive
John Wulfrum negs Gojo
split mortar
bro is dead
Still means there’s potential for gravity powers
scenic olive
fierce pagoda
Still means there’s potential for gravity powers
i dont think so anymore though?
scenic olive
no diff
fierce pagoda
like only essence is left probably
split mortar
i dont think so anymore though?
?
fierce pagoda
god of space is gone
split mortar
Gods aren’t overly special
split mortar
god of space is gone
They aren’t the actual concept though
fierce pagoda
oh right, i was thinking though, there is no one left to manipulate gravity anymore
split mortar
Gods aren’t overly special
They’re strong and live for ages yeah but they aren’t beyond mortals ability to grow up to their power
split mortar
oh right, i was thinking though, there is no one left to manipulate gravity anym...
Distorted debuff:
fierce pagoda
i dont think thats powerful enough to end a black hole
split mortar
Fair
fierce pagoda
coult be though
split mortar
Wait gravity normalisers exist
fierce pagoda
idk how kenjaku managed to
with his anti gravity
like how much antigrav did he use, or did he just reverse engirneer the entire black hole and flip its logic
isnt gravity normaliser donor content
split mortar
The hole she created would have like thousands of earths worth of gravity so I think it’s a outlier, though idk how to handle those in powerscaling
split mortar
isnt gravity normaliser donor content
The potion?
wheat walrus
The hole she created would have like thousands of earths worth of gravity so I t...
it's an outlier because there is no character, not even her, who would have survived it with their own durability :/
fierce pagoda
thats the strongest JJK ability though right
wheat walrus
kenjaku did that through abilities
fierce pagoda
spawning a black hole
scenic olive
split mortar
kenjaku did that through abilities
Yeah, which require cursed energy meaning he had the ability to output a rivalling opposite force does it not?
scenic olive
thousands of earth gravity
wheat walrus
well technically Yorozu's perfect sphere having infinite pressure is stronger from an attack potency perspective, just you need to touch it to be affected
fierce pagoda
what about hollow purple
scenic olive
how strong is the gravity on the planet Jupiter again
fierce pagoda
i kinda struggleed to see the difference betwen hollow purple and infinite pressure ball
scenic olive
split mortar
what about hollow purple
Don’t think that’s even matter erasure
split mortar
Isn’t on the surface of the sun like 8 times heavier or some shit
scenic olive
split mortar
i kinda struggleed to see the difference betwen hollow purple and infinite press...
Hollow purple is weaker I think
fierce pagoda
who is the weakest Calamity character who could survive a Hakai from Beerus
wheat walrus
uhhh idk guys
split mortar
Yeah?
split mortar
who is the weakest Calamity character who could survive a Hakai from Beerus
I don’t think any
wheat walrus
that shit could erase gag characters
scenic olive
this is truly our jujutsu
wheat walrus
and ghosts too
split mortar
not immortals though
Don’t Kai get erased?
fierce pagoda
Not the Zamasu in the future timeline
beerus admitted to not being able ot erase him
split mortar
Not the Zamasu in the future timeline
That’s from the super dragon balls iirc
fierce pagoda
and immortals in general
fierce pagoda
That’s from the super dragon balls iirc
yes he wished for immortality
scenic olive
not immortals though
the exception is for immortals that was granted from super dragon ball
split mortar
That’s from the super dragon balls iirc
So it’s like super immortality
fierce pagoda
maybe Silva is immune?
split mortar
Nah
Also Zamasu in the present timeline gets erased so normal immortality isn’t immune
fierce pagoda
the exception is for immortals that was granted from super dragon ball
i dont think it was ever explicitly stated ot be immortality from the super DB's jsut immortality in general
warm gull
in the channel straight up discussing it
and by it heh lets justr say my lore
scenic olive
dusk laurel
wheat walrus
Also Zamasu in the present timeline gets erased so normal immortality isn’t immu...
zamasu in the present timeline wasn't immortal though
fierce pagoda
ALRIGHT who up loring they lore rn
split mortar
zamasu in the present timeline wasn't immortal though
Thought kais were considered immortal
Being that they’re gods
wheat walrus
gods in dragon ball aren't really immortal
split mortar
not in the true sense
Well Zeno erased Zamasu so no character is so far
fierce pagoda
Zeno is different though
scenic olive
kaioshin can still be killed
wheat walrus
they last a shitton of time but I don't think they're truly immortal, unless it's angels and anything above
wheat walrus
Well Zeno erased Zamasu so no character is so far
that's Zeno :/
scenic olive
split mortar
Is Zeno omnipotent or something? I heard a lot of that not being the case on the internet
warm gull
omni king vs god from the bible
wheat walrus
as for kaioshin, back in Z we had SSJ2 Goku threatening to kill one, we also have Beerus talking about how if you kill one you also kill the GoD
wheat walrus
Is Zeno omnipotent or something? I heard a lot of that not being the case on the...
wouldn't say true omnipotence
split mortar
I think he cant die or be destroyed and can erase anything he wants
Created multiverse no?
fierce pagoda
Created multiverse no?
I don't think the creation of the universes have ever been explained
warm gull
true omnipotence can't be scaled regardless
split mortar
true omnipotence can't be scaled regardless
It can
“They can do it”
wheat walrus
we know he's slow in the sense that he can't keep up with fighters like Dyspo with sight, but we know that Zeno has the ability to erase anything, idk much beyond that though can't remember
fierce pagoda
Zeno is just a joke character, the joke is that "haha guys look the most powerful entity is this silly little child! haha get it??"
which i dont like tbh
wheat walrus
fairs lmao
split mortar
Omnipotence means they can do whatever whenever they want no limits right? Don’t think it needs omniscience or require being able ti perceive fast
Just that they could if they wanted to
split mortar
Wha
warm gull
Omnipotence means they can do whatever whenever they want no limits right? Don’t...
they can just make themselves able to percieve fast or be omniscient
split mortar
they can just make themselves able to percieve fast or be omniscient
Literally said that
split mortar
Oh you mean skill and stuff Aight
fierce pagoda
hes what you'd think of when you think of the strongest DB character
scenic olive
warm gull
they can also make themselves lose the battle if they'd like
split mortar
they can also make themselves lose the battle if they'd like
I know
That is part of “anything”
warm gull
they can make it so that there was never even a possibility of them winning in the first place
split mortar
I’m just pointing out
fierce pagoda
Can omnipotent people create a rock they cant lift?
scenic olive
Gojo vs Scal
split mortar
Cause they can doesn’t mean they have to
warm gull
the real reason they can't be scaled is because they can change the definition of what power means and all the tiers and wacky shit like that
warm gull
Can omnipotent people create a rock they cant lift?
yes. but they can also lift rocks they can't lift if they want to
fierce pagoda
yes. but they can also lift rocks they can't lift if they want to
ha, it gets messy pretty quick with omnipotence it seems
split mortar
the real reason they can't be scaled is because they can change the definition o...
Conceptual characters can do that aswell so…
Go to high and powerscaling becomes “cringe word” is actually higher
Nuh uh”
fierce pagoda
can they lift rocks they cant lift that they dont want to?
split mortar
ha, it gets messy pretty quick with omnipotence it seems
Yeah which is why I personally think it only works in fiction
warm gull
can they lift rocks they cant lift that they dont want to?
if they do it
they can make themselves not want to do it and do it anyways
fierce pagoda
crazy
split mortar
they can make themselves not want to do it and do it anyways
Yeah but that’s not special, I can slam my head into the wall even if I don’t want to
fierce pagoda
but if you do it, doesnt that mean there was a small part of you that wanted to do it
split mortar
but if you do it, doesnt that mean there was a small part of you that wanted to ...
Idk I ain’t a brain worm
warm gull
but if you do it, doesnt that mean there was a small part of you that wanted to ...
they can change it so that that isn't true even if it currently is
wheat walrus
they're so far beyond these concepts that none of this would matter
fierce pagoda
Alright it seems that Omnipotent beings are highly theoretical beings that break everything we know about reality
split mortar
Yeah
fierce pagoda
omnipotent beings cant be real or
warm gull
omnipotent beings cant be real or
(they can)
split mortar
I don’t believe they can but we will never truly know if one does or not
scenic olive
fierce pagoda
So you're saying that an omnipotent God can exist
scenic olive
Can omnipotent people create a rock they cant lift?
yes
fierce pagoda
but Melon doesnt believe that an omnipotent God can exist
dusk laurel
Why are gods getting the power of omni all of a sudden
[Yes i know what omnipotent means]
fierce pagoda
Hey Nya btw, remember our talk about Glowing mushrooms
fierce pagoda
i found out that glowing mushrooms are just a real thing
glowing mushrooms exist in real life
dusk laurel
No way
scenic olive
okay about that rock that cant be lifted thing
fierce pagoda
I remembered it from a "God cant be omnipotent" dilemma
saying that if god can create a rock he cant lift hes not all powerful
wheat walrus
Why are gods getting the power of omni all of a sudden <:clueless:10642985086534...
frauds
scenic olive
since the rock is just a creation, it was given a purpose to not be able to be lifted by anyone
what if say omnipotence allows you to change that purpose at will
fierce pagoda
okay i was misremembering things, but this is the chart i was thinking of
but this has less to do with omnipotence, and more to do with god being evil
grizzled jetty
babys first misunderstanding of atheism
fierce pagoda
isnt this a very famous image
split mortar
babys first misunderstanding of atheism
Isnt it Christianity? Atheism is the not believing in god is it not?
grizzled jetty
Isnt it Christianity? Atheism is the not believing in god is it not?
it would be religious belief in an omnipotent good god, which is a subset of some christianity
dusk laurel
Other religions have a one, true God
grizzled jetty
ya
scenic olive
but this has less to do with omnipotence, and more to do with god being evil
idk, who should decide the concept of evilness, like which one is good or which on is bad
dusk laurel
Of course
split mortar
idk, who should decide the concept of evilness, like which one is good or which ...
I put my vote on vanillin
dusk laurel
Are you kidding me
grizzled jetty
i also vote for vanillin
scenic olive
i also vote for vanillin
wheat walrus
weak
split mortar
@dusk laurel you now define objective morality
dusk laurel
Uhhhhh uhhhhh
Fish good, mammal bad
fierce pagoda
Damn it!
indigo glade
Uhhhhh uhhhhh
Fish good, mammal bad
You are bad.
grizzled jetty
fuck..
strange stump
you cant make me evil squared
gritty kraken
John lore
indigo glade
Fun fact.
grizzled jetty
Vanillin "John Lore" Vanillin
dusk laurel
You have already told this story
dusk laurel
"Heaven was too boring for me" or smth like that
gritty kraken
This was a powerscaling channel 5 minutes ago
fierce pagoda
What if when you die, you're still conscious, but its all black and you will be in this void forever constantly conscious for ever
that would be horrible i think
split mortar
Vanillin “John morality” vanillin
indigo glade
im interested
Lucy- I mean. Lucifer. Lucifer has seperated Hell in two parts, one for actual bad people, and for the commonfolk who have """sinned""".
dusk laurel
Uhhhhh uhhhhh
Fish good, mammal bad
Anything other than a mammal or fish is in a grey zone
dusk laurel
That's a mammal
fierce pagoda
Anything other than a mammal or fish is in a grey zone
what happens in the gray zone
indigo glade
Anything other than a mammal or fish is in a grey zone
Opinions on dolphins?
split mortar
This was a powerscaling channel 5 minutes ago
Yeah, vanillin now controls concepts of morality so idk what’s different
dusk laurel
what happens in the gray zone
You can make your own conclusions
split mortar
Opinions on dolphins?
They’re mammals therefore evil?
fierce pagoda
gators are in the grey zone right
dusk laurel
Yeah
split mortar
Vanillin, is yharim evil
dusk laurel
He is a human, which is probably a mammal in Cal, so yeah
fierce pagoda
What are axolotls
scenic olive
does fishron count
strange stump
i have a better morality system
dusk laurel
What are axolotls
Amphibians
split mortar
does fishron count
Dragon cursed to be fish, evil disguising as good?
scenic olive
frog
fierce pagoda
Amphibians
guess they are in the gray zone
split mortar
Dragon cursed to be fish, evil disguising as good?
Wait
strange stump
i have a better morality system
if you agree with me, you are a bad person
if you dont agree with me, you are a good person
boom
simple
split mortar
Yeah gray zone not evil
strange stump
who's with me?
fierce pagoda
Alright my head is starting to hurt, i think i need to leave
dusk laurel
if you agree with me, you are a bad person
if you dont agree with me, you are a ...
You are a machine [I think, judging from your pfp], so you can decide your own fate
split mortar
Goodbye guys and good night!
Goodbye greyzone being
fierce pagoda
💣
split mortar
Oh thank you what does it do
strange stump
You are a machine [I think, judging from your pfp], so you can decide your own f...
i am no machine
dusk laurel
What are you then
strange stump
im a GOD playing MAN
dusk laurel
Hmmm, something that isn't a mammal pretending to be one, you are in the grey zone
split mortar
im a GOD playing MAN
Still not enough to define morality smh shaking my head
dusk laurel
[Can I give up the title of moral arbiter]
dusk laurel
Fuck
split mortar
I think
Would prob need a vote
Should vanillin be able to give away moral arbiter status?
I vote no
strange stump
i vote yes
dusk laurel
Thank you
strange stump
you can willingly give me the title
dusk laurel
Sure
split mortar
2 yes 1 no
indigo glade
Give it to me instead.
strange stump
thanks :D
split mortar
3 yes 1 no?
dusk laurel
Anyways, how much info about the fishron family would the Duke Fishron bestiary entry give do you guys reckon
split mortar
Anyways, how much info about the fishron family would the Duke Fishron bestiary ...
A grey zone amount
split mortar
Hasn’t been overridden so just like laws it stays till otherwise states I think?
strange stump
i am the authority now
split mortar
Sadge
dusk laurel
Yep, I can confirm
indigo glade
Yep, I can confirm
Can you unconfirm that?
dusk laurel
Do you want the title
split mortar
Can you unconfirm that?
No, no longer have it
indigo glade
Do you want the title
Yes.
split mortar
No, no longer have it
Atleast, don’t think so
Would prob need a vote on it if vanillin can still give others the role
Can there be multiple moral arbiters?
strange stump
veto
dusk laurel
split mortar
That isn’t morality ?
strange stump
i have turned morality from a democracy to a dictatorship
i hope you enjoy my regime until i die
split mortar
i have turned morality from a democracy to a dictatorship
We should have a vote for that
split mortar
Granted I would vote for them to be one
strange stump
this is how you take over without the use of force
split mortar
They're a dictator
Can we vote to give vanillin more braincells
calm patio
You are a machine [I think, judging from your pfp], so you can decide your own f...
dissing director phobos is a crime
strange stump
arent i smart with diplomacy?
strange stump
dissing director phobos is a crime
AMEN
calm patio
however, skilled issued by jebus
strange stump
christoff had the keystone fragment
dusk laurel
dissing director phobos is a crime
Am I gonna be sentenced to death
split mortar
Am I gonna be sentenced to death
Borb going to nuke you like that one time they did to someone else
dusk laurel
do you wanna be?
Um, sure
strange stump
the secret police are on their way
glossy wolf
developer items are NOT canon correct?
dusk laurel
Yep
glossy wolf
same for donor items?
dusk laurel
I recognize this flag, but I can't seem to remember what it is...
Oh right! This must be the flag of Sinkiang
real silo
It's the flag of kedah
dusk laurel
I can see the resemblance
glossy wolf
so if yharim and noxus were to just duke it out for some reason who would come out on top?
glossy wolf
I read Yharim as Xeroc,,,
xeroc solos literally anything
glossy wolf
Noxus would beat Yharim
yeah i thought so
cause the god(?) of the distortion would probably be
pretty fuckin strong
dusk laurel
It isn't a god, but it's the 2nd strongest being we know of
Technically, full-power Ml would be the 2nd strongest, but that was centuries ago
real silo
Noxus would explode yharim
glossy wolf
ok
so taking what you said
if every single being known were to jump xeroc, would xeroc stand a chance?
all of them at their prime
dusk laurel
Uhhh, I'd say probably
glossy wolf
but would you go as far as to say hed win or even live?
dusk laurel
He can likely escape need be
glossy wolf
One noxus and one moon lord would probably be too much already
full power ml right?
dusk laurel
Yeah
real silo
yes
dusk laurel
Current ML is weaker than provi
tropic oak
dusk laurel
Funny space squid
glossy wolf
chat died
scenic olive
Full power Yharim vs you cant beat me when IM super 17
warm gull
Full power Yharim vs you cant beat me when IM super 17
utterly indecipherable
glossy wolf
its THE Grubby
indigo glade
What is that purple critter
Grubby.
warm gull
stupid bug
dusk laurel
I think you're obsessed
indigo glade
I love it.
dusk laurel
Hi daiquiri
solar wharf
i think we need to put you down
not thru the usage of needles
but moreso a 4 gauge shotgun with the barrel of an anti air cannon
indigo glade
i think we need to put you down
:(
dusk laurel
Onyx Blaster my beloved
tall delta
who would win dragon of frost or dragons of flames
indigo glade
Frost would send flame to cocytus
Correct.
It is one of the five rivers within the Greek underworld, and is often described as a frozen lake.
solar wharf
At least use a cool gun like onyx blaster
hey, the ks-23m is a sickass gun
i love when the prey im hunting loses its upper body
cuz i aimed a bit too much to the right
real silo
how sick...
solar wharf
extremely sick and rad
light linden
random thing
y'all think godseeker knights ever tried to modify the arsenal weapons?
noble niche
Me.
spring helm
y'all think godseeker knights ever tried to modify the arsenal weapons?
some of the more scientifically gifted perhaps
light linden
prolly
spring helm
or maybe there was the option of making personal requests to Draedon
light linden
should prolly give context
faint plank
-# mreow
spring helm
Draedon does mention that he made melee weapons for those that preferred them
light linden
one of the bosses in my add-on is supposed to drop a bunch of modified uelibloom arsenal tier gear
spring helm
the Godseeker Knights that is, i doubt random footsoldiers got that privilage
light linden
e.g. a heavy laser rifle that has a right click which makes it shoot a constant beam
light linden
the Godseeker Knights that is, i doubt random footsoldiers got that privilage
that reminds me
do we know what weapons the footsoldiers used?
spring helm
the T2 stuff
the weapons the soldiers get rise alongside their rank
the lowest ranking got T2, the higher ranking guys got T3, and the Godseeker knights got T4
spring helm
T1 went to researchers in the Arsenal Labs
light linden
t5 was classified stuff?
wait no classified is the wrong word
guessing t5 were prototypes from around when draedon got kicked out?
spring helm
this implies that most of the Godseeker Knights used melee weapons and the Heavy Laser Rifle came later
and the only melee weapon at that tier is the Pulse Dragon
indigo glade
this implies that most of the Godseeker Knights used melee weapons and the Heavy...
Before the invention of gun, foot soldiers were usually more plentiful than archers, due to how easy it is to just flail a sword around and kill someone, compared to learning how to use a bow.
spring helm
that's true, but i imagine by this point guns were common
light linden
personally I found using a bow easier than a spear
wheat walrus
spring helm
but a bow requires much more training
light linden
speaking of the pulse dragon
you think having one be turned into a grappling hook would be farfetched?
light linden
but a bow requires much more training
eh I'm pretty good with one
then again I have to hunt with one sometimes
spring helm
Azafure had already entered the industrial revolution by the time of the Crusade and by that point in our world guns were already the staple weapon in most armies
wheat walrus
then again I have to hunt with one sometimes
light linden
?
wheat walrus
hunt..................
light linden
yes?
wheat walrus
is this monster hunter :33333333333333333333
light linden
mainly deer and sometimes birds
spring helm
eh I'm pretty good with one
i am not arguing with you on this one there is a reason why bowmen were much less common that spearmen throughout all of human history
light linden
oh ik
I was talking about personal experience
that reminds me, I need to fix an arrow
solar wharf
personally I found using a bow easier than a spear
i mean, to you that might be true
but in general it isnt
bows have to worry about way too many factors
especially when its at a fair range
but this doesnt work here when magic is a thing
light linden
for spears I keep hitting myself in the hip with the blunt end
solar wharf
so most of these factors are probably gone when magic is taken into account
light linden
is this monster hunter :33333333333333333333
what is monster hunter?
solar wharf
Before the invention of **gun**, foot soldiers were usually more plentiful than ...
guns revoluationized it so much
because they werent only far easier to use
but they held 10times the power
wheat walrus
what is monster hunter?
peak fiction game...
solar wharf
it was fucking crazy
autumn cypress
@prime quail kratos verde solos all
warm gull
so sigma
noble niche
guys there are 18,579 instances of us saying the F Word is there a lore reason why we have such fowl languange?
I'm calling each and every one of your parents!
warm gull
fuck
wheat walrus
fuck
dusk laurel
fuck
tidal tulip
anyone know when the time comes and we have official Noxus and Xeroc superbosses, are we going to kill them or subdue them?
cosmic zenith
Noxus dies, Xeroc doesn't
tidal tulip
thank you
warm gull
just dodge
cosmic zenith
So it's ultimately just proving your worth
tidal tulip
thanks for the answer, much appreciated 🙏
dusk laurel
Do you guys like seahorses
indigo glade
No.
dusk laurel
Your stupid bug is dead
indigo glade
:(
light linden
The player just isn't strong enough to kill or subdue Xeroc
shame
must mean the gap between xeroc and noxus is immense though
real silo
guys there are 18,579 instances of us saying the **F Word** is there a lore reas...
15000 is from rebecca
(not actually)
latent bolt
guys there are 18,579 instances of us saying the **F Word** is there a lore reas...
Fowl Morning beckons
wraith current
Who are the singers in stained brutal calamity? Like ik they are talking to calamitas but who are they, who is the male voice?
light linden
dm dokuro iirc
light linden
I
sinful adder
Dm dokuro did the male voices and the ambiguous choir voices are a vocaloid
light linden
why did I think they were asking who the singer was irl and not in lore
sinful adder
Who are the singers in stained brutal calamity? Like ik they are talking to cala...
It's not canon
The general idea is canon, but none of the words are
light linden
y'all think yharim is mad at us for killing yharon?
devout grotto
Dm dokuro did the male voices and the ambiguous choir voices are a vocaloid
Wait wtf
light linden
even if we didn't take the soul?
devout grotto
I thought he got an actual choir for that
light linden
unfortunately idt they were rich enough to
devout grotto
Oh yeah true
sinful adder
More sad than mad. He'd be enraged and swear to kill us if we took the soul
light linden
god bringing up dokuro makes me sad
sinful adder
But now he's just sad. We haven't permanently killed Yharon, and we were defending ourselves
devout grotto
god bringing up dokuro makes me sad
Yeah I understand 🫂
light linden
But now he's just sad. We haven't permanently killed Yharon, and we were defendi...
still wonder if yharim could live for a while longer
dusk laurel
10 years max
light linden
permafrost will outlive him
and I find it hard to believe that nobody has done research into methods of extending life
be it magical or technological
even with those lava burns
then again idk if it would even make sense to try
the moment yharon comes back he'd go off to war again
scal would likely burn the player to the bone for trying
rotund shore
How old is permafrost anyways
spring helm
and I find it hard to believe that nobody has done research into methods of exte...
they probably have
light linden
How old is permafrost anyways
200ish
spring helm
i dont think Yharim cares for it though
light linden
yharim is dying near 130 iirc
random thing
if portals exist in calamity
what would happen if you crushed something between two of them?
wraith current
The general idea is canon, but none of the words are
Oooooh, so the lyrics for roar of the jungle dragon have a meaning
wraith current
Is it just yharon trying to talk to yharim to tell him about the battle against the player
By them we know a lot more about how yharim sees us
light linden
more so him warning yharim iirc
spring helm
what would happen if you crushed something between two of them?
banished to the distortion
or it would squish them like a hydraulic press
depends
light linden
banished to the distortion
unironically that might be a reasonable result
spring helm
thought i just had regarding the Distortion and Xeroc
I know the "Primordial light that banished the Eternal Darkness" thing is just flowery language, but what if Xeroc physically couldn't go to the Distortion because he's the God of Primordial Light
Neither the Distortion nor Xeroc can exist in vicinity of each other
wraith current
Wait, who will be the next boss after calamitas? Will it be noxus? Xeroc? Permafrost?
Like what would lore wise make sense
dusk laurel
Yharim
spring helm
Yharim's next and last
wraith current
I mean
spring helm
Noxus and Xeroc are potential superbosses
dusk laurel
Perma is definitely not gonna be a boss
wraith current
They are hinting at xeroc returning
dusk laurel
Noxus and Xeroc are potential superbosses
^
They are not guaranteed to be implemented
wraith current
Isnt the astral infection just noxuses creation to find xeroces soul
dusk laurel
No?
wraith current
I swear ive read that somewhere
dusk laurel
The Astral Infection is a rotten star's corpse basically
wraith current
I read that after cthulus death, noxus took a different method to try to find xeroces soul, and that method was the astral infection which was sent to multiple worlds
sinful adder
It sounds stronger, but the new one is better written
Characters act like real people
wraith current
Characters act like real people
Yea ive noticed that
Yharim is now really complex
He is described as a tyrant, yet when he talks about his journey, he sound reasonable and self aware of his wrong doings
His motive is clear
Yet he is a complex, beautifully written character
light linden
question
sinful adder
Yharim is still the most evil person that can possibly exist while still being a person. Kind of
mighty zenith
he's charismatic
wraith current
He murdered and massacred a lot of people?
sinful adder
he doesn't regret it in the slightest
wraith current
Yea
sinful adder
yeah
wraith current
But he looks and sounds cool
light linden
random thing
wraith current
I like him if you cant tell
sinful adder
he doesn't regret doing genocide, he regrets making a child do genocide
light linden
you think the underground desert could be unscorched?
dusk laurel
Wdym by that
sinful adder
I think it could with enough water and time
wraith current
you think the underground desert could be unscorched?
Yes, its called the sunken sea
sinful adder
would probably need Silva's help
light linden
maybe anahita could do it?
sinful adder
Yes, its called the sunken sea
the entire underground desert used to be the sunken sea
dusk laurel
yeah that
sinful adder
the surface was a beach
wraith current
would probably need Silva's help
I highly doubt silva would make an appearance
sinful adder
Silva is alive actually
wraith current
Her remains were thrown in the void by yharim
dusk laurel
Elementals can't die
sinful adder
it's different in new lore
wraith current
He himself said she couldn't be killed
sinful adder
Silva cannot die due to being an elemental, and she will someday grow back
wraith current
Silva cannot die due to being an elemental, and she will someday grow back
Is the plany mush her doing?
sinful adder
yes
light linden
yes
sinful adder
she grew the planty mush to feed the abyss creatures
and blessed Primodial wyrm from the level of a normal eidolon wyrm to the strongest thing in the mod
light linden
she grew the planty mush to feed the abyss creatures
I've heard some speculate it was piece of her corpse that just grew
wraith current
Now that we are talking about the void
sinful adder
I've heard some speculate it was piece of her corpse that just grew
this is not the case, but would be neat
wraith current
Wtf is the terminus and that thing that is talking to you during the boss rush?
dusk laurel
Xeroc is the one talking
sinful adder
we don't know all the details, but...
Terminus belonged to Xeroc, it might have something to do with the god ascension ritual, and he hid it in the abyss
also, it's not really called the void, it's just the bottom layer of the abyss
wraith current
But wait? Why would he throw it away? He said he threw it in the deepest parts of the abyss so nobody could find it
light linden
I never have
sinful adder
also, yharim says xeroc betrayed zeratros (the light dragon), but we have reason to suspect it was willing
sinful adder
But wait? Why would he throw it away? He said he threw it in the deepest parts o...
he doesn't want it to be used, presumably to make any more gods.
it seems that other gods were made anyways, but none of them were "pure" ascensions
and so were weaker
sinful adder
We know of 2, maybe 3 gods who got the same domains as the dragons they took the souls of, and 2 of them are way above the power level of other gods
One of them is Silva, the other is Xeroc
and the third ambigous one is the electric jellyfish god that lived in the sunken sea
we know that Xeroc was "attuned" to Zeratros the same way that Yharim is to Yharon
so that their souls are connected
wraith current
Wait i only know the old lore of xeroc
sinful adder
oh
wraith current
I dont know the new one
sinful adder
uh
Xeroc is the god of Primodial light, who is at least 10x stronger than anything else in the world, and the first god
he developed the ritual that turns people into gods using dragon souls
and he talks to you during boss rush
wraith current
I only know xeroc was the strongest light god and after the dark gods came to be, all the light gods merged with xeroc to make one ultimate god who destroyed all dark gods except the 2
sinful adder
yeah, that's the old lore and not canon at all
moon lord in new lore is an alien that came to terraria to... well, we don't know, but he hunted all the auric dragons and was way stronger than any of them
wraith current
It would be really cool if the 2 mixed and we got the best of both worlds
sinful adder
you can play the addon "Hunt of the Old God" for some stuff inspired by old lore
or maybe it was uh
wrath of the gods
idk
tidal tulip
nah you're right on both
tidal tulip
We know of 2, maybe 3 gods who got the same domains as the dragons they took the...
explains why it's "God of Sacrifices" instead of "God of Death"
sinful adder
yeah
dusk laurel
Yep
sinful adder
and "slime god" instead of "god of gluttony"
tidal tulip
yuppp
dusk laurel
Goddess of Electricity instead of Storms
sinful adder
that too
mighty zenith
It would be really cool if the 2 mixed and we got the best of both worlds
they did basically do that
old lore was extremely vague and confusing on a lot of things, the whole light and dark gods thing too
plus, personally... it felt kind of boring
like you just had these good and evil gods with no nuance
compared to current xeroc, who is much deeper and unique
eager bluff
like you just had these good and evil gods with no nuance
there wasnt any nuance because their existence spanned a whole like 3 sentences
mighty zenith
none of which was in-game btw
pretty sure there just wasnt any passion in the writing team at that point
eager bluff
old lore was cool but it tried to do too much
mighty zenith
it tried doing too much and it ended up shallow
so many ideas being brought up and never mentioned again
eager bluff
yeah :p
like the whole war of angels or whatever that existed for one sentence
the writers scopecrept themselves
tidal tulip
i'd like to discuss draedon's questions of whether the dragons' power or the aerie's power came first and why the dragons left the aerie as they were being killed
im inclined to believe the dragon's power came first after the world soul shattered
but i have no idea where to begin for the second question
sinful adder
I imagine Fovos (moon lord) was able to find the aerie
tidal tulip
chances are he probably did
but is that what's implied by draedon's question? i assumed he was referencing the genocide of the dragons
light linden
Ngl I'm curious about what'll happen to draedon like 500 years in the future
light linden
Will he even be on terraria still?
tidal tulip
maybe he can get the instant teleportation he wants
perhaps, if he hasn't found out how to instantly teleport
tidal tulip
but once he does AND he can find a way how to deal with the astral infection he'll start exploring space
i'd like to discuss why the dragons left the aerie after the draconic purges began
like, did something kick them out or
did they get cocky
seems odd
warm gull
it tried doing too much and it ended up shallow
yeah it's like a thousand 1 meter deep holes while new lore is 1 km deep hole
sinful adder
Draedon will probably leave terraria in another hundred years
warm gull
draedon being the sole source of technological innovation
it's almost a strange thing because like
sinful adder
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up like another world's Fovos
warm gull
irl tech usually innovates because of people but like what if all the technological innovation in a world is all just done by one guy
and then diffused to the population
I bet draedon could eventually build something that could kill xeroc
real silo
I don't think he would go out of his way to murder the world's guardians
real silo
I meant to reply to xb
brave dew
How would robot kill god
real silo
Trying to go into a planet guns blazing would be a dumb idea if his goal was to research it
warm gull
perhaps at that point, he would himself be able to subdue the distortion and study it while also preventing it from being a real danger
and he wants to kill xeroc
just to see what happens
he would also probably like to get his hands on a real auric soul
sinful adder
Suppose he wanted to find new auric souls. I think he would in that situation
warm gull
he doesn't have to travel very far for an auric soul
in fact
that would actually be a reason to go full fovos mode, funnily enough....
eternal trail
"I killed god, but it was for science, I swear!"
frank dune
Hello
warm gull
hi
gritty kraken
and it would take a long time
Draedon prep time
gritty kraken
Give him another 600 years
past kayak
I hate these kind of cringe powerscaling
split mortar
I bet draedon could eventually build something that could kill xeroc
Didn’t Rebecca say that give draedon infinite time and he ain’t reaching xeroc?
warm gull
idk
if she did that's stupid imo
xeroc is literally the ruling class and draedon is literally the working class who can never beat him
fucked up
split mortar
^
split mortar
xeroc is literally the ruling class and draedon is literally the working class w...
Well Rebecca also said xerocs highest is the highest possible you can get
Granted I think this is including xeroc having time aswell to grow
warm gull
yeah it is
mostly bc of the time
not his raw power
it's like a champion mma fighter
who also just happens to have been born and grown 6ft inches and has really good genetics
most of the strength comes from the mma training
same with xeroc
untold oracle
So if you theoretically consumed the entire world soul you would be just as powerful as Xeroc but you can assert that power over every domain and not just PL
cloud ibex
Didn’t Rebecca say that give draedon infinite time and he ain’t reaching xeroc?
xeroc when draedon manages to create a looney toons character in terraria
warm gull
he has a head start bc of his domain and his perfect ascension and his original pre ascension strength, but his skill accounts for the vast majority of his power difference
split mortar
xeroc when draedon manages to create a looney toons character in terraria
Xeroc on his way to create copies of that guy
warm gull
so imo
past kayak
xeroc when draedon manages to create a looney toons character in terraria
That's just Player
warm gull
even if draedon can't create one guy who is stronger than xeroc
split mortar
That's just Player
untold oracle
I’m going to throw you melon
warm gull
he should be able to find some way to exploit xeroc's weaknesses or to build a bunch of robots that have xeroc's power level
cloud ibex
this man will be Gone
mighty zenith
xeroc watching draedon include toon logic into his new machine
cloud ibex
Xeroc on his way to create copies of that guy
the one draedon made manages to convince the copies to clown on xeroc instead (it would be really funny)
warm gull
it made sense in old lore bc he was quite literally God
but in new lore
he's just a guy who got the right circumstances every time
deft vessel
I think its that you can reach Xeroc but not surpass him
warm gull
yeah in that case
past kayak
I find it laconic what copper sword is main part of Zenith's craft
warm gull
what's preventing draedon from building like 10 robots that all match xeroc's power?
split mortar
The way I see it is
Draedon searches for science in general, all knowledge even if it’s not major or related to fighting
Xeroc could be having solely searching ways of fighting
So draedon wouldn’t be doing as much as xeroc in specifically fighting aswell and having the head start of ascension and domain being op
warm gull
what's preventing draedon from building like 10 robots that all match xeroc's po...
and then having them all team up on him
deft vessel
That would require a LOT of energy
untold oracle
and then having them all team up on him
Nah I’d win
cloud ibex
draedon turns into mechanical shin godzilla
split mortar
Xeroc on its way to use shadows to break the robots circuitry
warm gull
draedon on his way to build goku
no but actually melon gun
you're forgetting something
during boss rush, the exos and scal are actually weaker than their real versions
frank dune
Hello
warm gull
which means that's the limit of the clones he can summon