#lore-discussion
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no i mean like it wasnt auric before and it was just gonna be a ceremonial armor
Fuck
Well auric is naturally not attuned seemingly
And it still nukes you
regardless
But I think Yharim’s lineage being tied to the dragons
Would be interesting
maybe it was fate after all...
What if he had close familial ties to gods, so then the whole him denying fate really does seem unforeseen and not fate?
village slayer yharim
my terrarian's lore for why they want to kill yharim boils down to
YOU BURNT MY SHOP TO THE GROUND
MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS DEAD, WHAT DO I DO
fucker im gonna find you MOTHERFUCKER IM GONNA FIND-
Maybe
I mean I don’t see some random
dude being chosen
And I doubt a guy with familial ties to dragons due to the pattern of liking the birds

I think?
i sincerely apologize for this misconduct
i will sacrifice my soul to the ravager now
No need it was funny

Hello lorers what haplend
Vanillin said yharim likes the birds and the bees
Without knowing what that talk is
So they’re now part of Ravager

so bro has body now?
Yuh
The brainrot is real
I'm trying to write a song but Epic: the Musical has rotted my brain too much
📜🔥✍️
shush
i am merely part of it
not that it is my body
You didn’t know that earlier?
What's happening today in loreworld
that car is s
Caladoro
One day I’ll have the devs post that image of mine
Try to get one to make it their pfp
Alas
Vanillin said yharim likes the birds and the bees
Without knowing what the birds and the bees talk is
The BEES
Explodes the chat

Explodes chat with mind
its not brain rot
its perfection
You have to write a song like ksi newest song
But I need to make an original song smh....
No
That shit is mid as hell
I….. am Rogue….
You don’t know the ritual tho I assume
i like to interpret those tiny stat boosts as what happens when you actually just eat an auric soul
rather than ascend via the ritual and become significantly stronger
the terrarian can go from creating marvels of science and progress further than even the smartest being in the world to eating a soul
Those tiny stat boosts are when you beat all the future bosses
Per soul
Which I find funny
Chikkn nuggt
1233popcorn
Yharmic Soul
chimken soul
nothing i think
What if you give Yharim his stims back
Defeat yharim by giving him a dryg addiction and keep supplying him with ridiculously high prices
when SG stimulants
If it’s not yharons chicken soul and a normal one then you have 1% more chicken per you
Financially defeat Yharim
He sold his dragon to fuel his drug addiction
hello chat
forced someone to draw my boy 
https://www.reddit.com/r/CalamityMod/s/3Imh8OvS3v
technically after absorbing the soul you beat the game becuz yharim is dead
truly a hunt of the old god
👀
I love Calamity OCs
Name it.
i wanted to go with aspen cause its prob my favorite looking tree
but hes not YELLOW
Name your child.
since gods could share a portion of their soul to others(ex providence and guardians) could the dragons do the same
Maybe their version of that is attunement?
I think maybe but they were already messing with fragments so it may lead to lesser dragons with different domains idk
Finally stopped procrastinating and started writing the fanfic
real
i have a bit of college work due tomorrow
and i really mean a "bit"
we already did it in lesson and basically just have to put it in a different doc to log that we've done it 
i haven't a clue 
I heard that it will take a year to add a new boss
you think?
Slr
Oh you on about starlight river
Starright liver
Tsarright liver

💥
Oh yeah this is the first draft of the fanfick epilogi
Prologue
Wind blew through the empty temple walls. In the center was a pathway that glistened with its cleanliness. The hallway was lined with marble pillars. Eye shaped emblems decorated these pillars. It was as if they were watching. A group of hooded figures marched through the hallway. Each one carried a torch that they held dearly. After their march they gathered around a circlet floating in the cool air. It stood 5 meters tall and was embellished with archaic runes and markings. Atop was a dragon shaped artifact and smoke was blowing out from its maw. In the center was a pulsating star that lit the area, But it emitted no heat.
-Hear! Our magnificent ruler has summoned us to his presence.
One of the cultists yelled.
Now that the room was silent an eye opened from the star. It gazed upon its followers with worry in its eye.
-Ah… you have come at last. Time of war is upon us. My ears have told me that the tyrants forces are on the move.
A telepathic sound was heard in the heads of everyone present.
-They are approaching us as we speak. We must act with haste and guard the city walls. Oh… Yharim, your reign of terror has reached us at last… Now scatter! Everyone must be ready for they will show no mercy!
As if programmed to do so the cultist left the star or more commonly known as the dream deity “Ui-nu”.
is this the lihzahrd of 87
Cool :3
Amazing
Prologue*
But Yharom was released multiple years ago already...
You mean yharon?
yeh
They want to overhaul and make sure the rest of the mod is good before adding yharim
Also yharons sprite is like 7 years ago it’s almost as old as the mod
Lorde
The best April fools joke boss
Yharim and Yharon are two different characters
What calamity bosses would do good friends
well for starters most of them are mindless beasts
i feel like if deus has some sentience left it would be curious about how astrum aureus came to be
Deus never lost intelligence, it was always dumb enough to be infected
More pet type boss to me
Scal would be good obviously
Oh wait did I word it in a way where other bosses be friends?
Tbh that’s more interesting yeah let’s do that
Elaborate.
Scal would not like cryogen
does draedon ever show interest in magic? im sure he would try to shove cryogen into a petri dish to find out how it works

Yes. He was very interested in Calamitas and Permafrost.
He does
I imagine the sea prisms would be among things considered magical and he just sciences the fuck out of them
He does cause astral infection is only magic
That’s my proof as to why he does
he may have fucked up the sulphuric ocean but at least he found a renewable method for his magnum opus's resources
maybe since they're both the same species right?
They’re different species
could desert scourge even adapt back into water after being dehydrated so long
Yeah, it didn’t evolve so it would just take some time to get used to it but yeah it could
Acid water eh idk
Give it another decade, clearly.
watch it turn into a crab
Hello lorers
Dog and noxus
Rip
They haven't spoken to each other since.
Wouldn’t this be storm weaver lore wise
She likely doesn’t like herself
playing games against each other must suck when sharing a mind

Noxus raging at their own hand on through dog
Scal and cal clone?
Cal clone is damn near insane, but I could see it if it weren’t for that
Just give her lobotomy and she will calm down
Uhhh
Anahita n leviathan and duke fishron?
Ok 18th century medicine
Healing is not as rewarding as hurting
Bro thinks he's medic tf2
That was why they had a scandal.
Thats trio
Dragonfolly and itself next
give calclone therapy, she'll sort herself out after a few years maybe
Hm makes sence then
Maybe we firstly should drain her powers?
I am sure it causes pain
Yes a polyamory friendship 
I doubt that, fishrons are pretty well documented
What if levi is non auric dragon
Dont ruin my fun
I think scal is auric dragon
Yharim level of biology knowledge here
|=|
What backing does the argument have
He wanted to try out and give powers to new leader
But ok
Zeratros was nearly dead
So he decided to trust xeroc who was prob best guy
Yes
Yharon gave Zeratros soul to xeroc and he accesended
Other ppl saw it and started killing dragons
Yharon didnt really wanted this to happen
But this just happened
Idk thats the theory
Why are most elementals so weak ingame
Also he is fried chicken
Supreme draedon?
Yharim
No i mean imagine supreme draedon
lore discussion is not cooking rn
Hello Vanillin
Only thing we cooking is yharim
Im not gonna say it
Effect: overstuffed
Azafure, dump this guy in lava
Wow
And it had calamity in it
Woaow
Hello melon
Calamitas meat
What would happen if yharims forces tried stopping scal
Her refight is canon
I feel like she would go totally insane
And thus she gets even sleepier
But what if
A tenth fight
this gif is very doctor who
It’s jerma iirc
This gif is l corp
my point stands
Mountain of smiling bodies breach
She is giving her all to train us for yharim
That kbe employee trying to stop final phase mountain if smiling bodies
What if you kill scal
Not cannon
You dont lore wise

Uhhh
Break her neck
She commits necromancy on sepulchre and fucks off while invincible
she isn't dead
But what if she magicked into not being dead
Fridge
And maggots
Somehhiw random ass girl has over 1m hp
Maybe use her as human shield
Against yharim
30 def
Allows ramdash
She has a permanent smaller brimstone sheild on at all times
how much health does calamitas have without the shield
uh
That is the same as her boss fight in Classic.
I believe the values were simply just copied.
i mean it makes sense
yeah idk why they give cal NPCs so much health
not like her magic is gone
There should be a magic shield VFX around Brimstone Witch and Archmage when they get hurt.
it'd be silly if CALAMITAS, SUPREME WITCH died to the destroyer because shes a town npc
that'd be neat
Still
And also what other magic related NPCs exist.
Scal should be able to solo most bosses as a town npc
Wizard and Princess, perhaps.
ye but those have normal hp
They have weaker shields.
now explain to me why SHE has so much health
And they are just semi magical humans
Not super weapons of supreme magical proportions
plot armor
Extremely magical.
plot armor
Have you not seen the cirrus fight?
cheap excuse 
Cal NPCs have a bunch of health because they are meant to be irreplaceable and having your NPCs killed because a Boss showed up and annihilated your city sucks
Unless the magic shield is some extremely advanced magic, I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to either.
Doesn't Bandit have normal HP values?
I doubt their magic shields would have a lot
this too
Bandit doesn't fall under the "Unique" category
And she isn’t a hyper important character
oops
We should make them important.
replied to wrong message
Also hello Rebecca
?
they btw
Hope you have a good day
Petition to make Bandit important.
Oh ok
bandit is actually yharims son
Not enough love for Bandit.
Wha
It accomplishes the same goal
son (gender neutral)
Child
i forgot child was a word that existed ill be completely honest
defense is not as obvious
It also looks weird to take damage to nothing
like i straight up forgot the existence of the word "child"
Little to no brain cells.
Give every npc the 32 bit limit of health
Either way I think it's like, really unnecessary to make this
my brain small :(
well
No?
The lore implications...
She is base human physically
THEN WHY DOES SHE HAVE SO MUCH HEALTH WHITHOUT SH-
Maybe resistant to heat but that’s about it
whatever
it's called game mechanic
i give up with you guys
:p
So she doesn’t die
Game mechanic
There is no evidence to say it is a game mechanic...
hunting the old ploos
then make her completely resistant to damage.....
Clearly Calamitas is just a bodybuilder and can tank everything.
she can still die
Again, both accomplish the exact same goal
Harder to do then give her classic mode health of the boss
It's not really harder
not really
it doesnt make sense in universe
It's just that both do literally the same thing and ultimately create the same question
"Why does Calamitas have so much health without her shield?"
"Why is Calamitas so tanky?"
"Why is Calamitas impervious to damage?"
Yharon refights aren’t going to deal 900K to a npc
impossible to win an argument with cal lore writers.......
I think scal should die
You do you bud
Because she built up muscle during our fight, obviously.
None of these options make sense if you analyze it through a perfect lore perspective
Not everything in game is lore accurate
And again, I think it'd be cool for Perma or SCal to have shields when they take damage, yeah
But ultimately I think it's unnecessary
It is, but it is the little touches that make something complete.
there's no need to sprite it
it's not a sprite...
Not everything in game is lore accurate
it's shaders like the one used in the fight
I guess I can go ask people then, jeez
Look, I don't like bothering programmers to go
"Hey can you code this because it'd make more sense for the story"
^
so we, the community, are the ones bothering the developers.
those will be weeks away
nycro is not having a great time with weather rn
suggestions are closed
hurricane?
yeag
Oh damn
Not just that.
I really really really don't like to go asking for programmers to code shit that 5 people will care about because "it makes more sense"
Good luck
discord is also rate limiting the bot

Details are cool, yes, but when I'm not the one doing it I don't feel right
so yeag
A library the bot uses is getting rate limited, which essentially means it is out of commission and there is nothing Nycro can do about it.
Then just don’t and wait for suggestions to exist
Sure
I feel like there are so many things that are made for game balance that changing one random thing is basically pointless
Anyways I'm going back to writing some Exhume tooltips

Like the plauge
Exhume tooltip rewrite?
let's gloooo
I wonder if gruesome eminence will get changed
Yes

I'm heartbroken.
Metastasis tooltip was shot dead in an alleyway
And I'm sure that people will be unironically mad I changed that
What is life if there is not a metaphor I can misinterpret?
draconic-like
"THEY CHANGED THE LORE, DOG DOESN'T GROW INTO SEPULCHER ANYMORE!!!!!!! THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
IT WAS NEVER THAT
IT WAS A METAPHORE THAT DOG WOULD BE FUCKING BUTCHERED IF HE CONTINUED TO GROW IN POWER AND BE AN ARROGANT BITCH
When the update drops, I'm going into this channel and screaming exactly this.
Anyways as much as I think the Metastasis rewrite is the best one because it's funny
What did i missed?
I think the most interesting one is Rancor
still makes me wonder who though

yharim wouldnt
Exhume tooltip rewrite confirmed and completed.
you were not gone for that long
braelor is stuck in distortion
Maybe the girl saying that? 
Last prism the fifth is interesting lore wise yay
no.
Is gruesome eminence getting changed
Obviously I wanted to tie Rancor to Sunken Sea, this was the one thing that always bothered me
Burning Sea and Rancor are Exhumes because of the name
Burning sea biome
But they have fucking nothing to do with the Sunken Sea 
Doesn't Rancor also interact with water?
Burning sea
Into rancor
Did scal use rancor to nuke illmeris
So
Not only is Burning Sea coming with a kickass rework mind you
And some cool shit too

FUCK YEAH
Lorers eating good thank you Rebecca
Np
How much lore are we getting this update?
Yes
Maybe too much 
Information overload.
We will finally not go batshit insane when alexey mentions eating yharims skull
Maybe
hey rebecca can auric dragons also share a bit of their auric soul to humans
like providence did with guardians kinda
Like providence did to guardians
¯_(ツ)_/¯
death

Wha
"Calamity does not deploy deadlines for update releases and will never do, with no planned exceptions. As such, do not ask for a specific date, you will never get an answer."
the current consensus from people i've interacted with is early 2025
which includes more months than january
the update is also massive is scale
delusions, unless you think 3-5 months is soon
i wouldnt say 2024 release is impossible
ive seen devs say its a chance
but more likely to be early 2025
dont get ur hopes up
2012
1918
is lore chat alright
Almost got panic attack then saw overhaul
why does merkalto hesitantly speak of lore discussion.. theres too much lore .. everywhere
You don't exist.
k.
meow
:3
maybe ill become a lorer
im already seein :3
what a delightful place
merkalto shouldnt fear this channel at all
uhhhh
he is fair in assuming it is
this channel frequently switches between rot and normalcy
especially lately
how was the olden days of lore discussion
idk
understood
i didn't interact much in the server between 2022 and 2023
well i see silly people here often so ill join :3
i think i deleted all of my messages because of an argument in CMT years ago
tried to leave the server
:3
well we don;t have to dwell on that
lore of the calamity discord
SSO is the 2nd largest lore update for the rewritten lore
behind the rewrite obviously
pretty exciting stuff..
waiter waiter! more worldbuilding please!
^
sorry to hear :c
cat chat.. a little too..
i talked in CAT a few times
it was okay
except for the day when I saw a bit of gif spamming [joined in for a bit too, then left]
i see most of the friendly faces there so
that's nice to hear
suggestion discussion is even more polarizing than lore-discussion at times
i lurk there a lot
including when a certain overdoing person argued with reb about the OD bestiary entry for like an hour

i see some
people in there sometimes
yep
it's even worse when new people come there and they suggest the worst things imaginable
like reworking ranger to "be better" and adding more converted ammo

Or just not reading the rules of the channel and suggesting things it say to not suggest
Like specific weapons and such
i remember something along the lines of , well i like my suggestion so im gonna post it again
classic.
arguing with reb i think lmao
Wha
I had a fun idea for a pre hardmode jailor esc weapon that shoots bubbles and right click makes electricity spark between as a sunken sea weapon. Because the ilmerians use electricity and water a lot but like eh
Wasn’t there also that one time someone tried arguing for calamity to be like old lore scaling because like post ml tooltips were funky
Yeah
Can’t wait for it to happen again in a month
and it already went on for like half an hour
Yeah more people just kept jointing
Till like half the people active on the server were just jumping the guy
when i came back to talk in this server
Hey Rebecca
Look man, I know people often go "oh, arguing with the Lore Writers is impossible"
But I do have to say that I feel like that often happens because people underestimate both how much I know about writing a story and how hard it is sometimes
arrogance
the ignorance
Hope loring is going well for you
Like, the biggest time I see that happening is when people go "oh but why don't you add more visual storytelling"
My answer is quite simple
It's way fucking harder than anyone makes it seem
Specially when I'm working under the confines of Terraria
Plus terraria is not a very pre generated structure type game
Like, picking Hollow Knight as an example
Do you know how fucking complex the giant bug corpse shit is?
god hollow knight is so good
aren't you all literally adding more visual storytelling
And do you have any idea how little people understand that aspect of the story?
like
Oh the pale kings old big corpse?
isnt that the entire thing sunken sea overhaul is doing
No I mean the giant bug corpses you can find around Hallownest
that's what i was thinking
Oh those
ur doin great hopefully it all isnt too daunting 🥲
I'm not saying that adding visual storytelling is impossible or anything, I am saying that it's way, way harder than anyone gives it credit for and it's not something we just tack in
Super Sea overhaul will be peak
ye
We already have to think A LOT about what we're putting in the game, and that is multiplied even further when we have to account for the uncertainty of visual storytelling
Again, giant bug corpses in Hollow Knight
Those are visual storytelling, yes, but it's such a complex aspect of it and requires such intricate viewing, suppositions and whatnot for what is, ultimately
A really hard theory to prove
There’s a lot of giant bugs and there’s a lot that are dead
You referring to the giant bug fossils that make up the stone?
And it was CAREFULLY made by Team Cherry, something that wasn't just put in randomly
the effort is much appreciated reb 
Like, visual storytelling is FUCKING HARD
And I thank you and the team for what you have put in
We have some easy avenues for making a few, but ultimately anything meaningful is very, very taxing
Those would at most be details
Basically my point is just
People underestimate how hard visual storytelling is and end up taxing us too much about it
People don’t undertsand the effort needed for things
That's just how I feel about it, at least
okay :)
np (I wasn't even here the whole time)
wha
?
wdym?
The giant bugs that are randomly around Hallownest, like the Shade Beast, the Ancient Nailsmith and the Green Beast.
Large bugs that are in the background and are mostly entirely unexplained.
The one in the Abyss that gives Shade Cloak.
Also green beast?
Ohhh that
A giant bug in Greenpath.
Just. Randomly. In one room.
Can't be Dream Nailed either.
Entirely unexplained.
oh
epicsauce.
Ohhh that guy
Iirc the main theory is that they were from the ancient civlization that worshipped the Void
the what
the ancient civilization that worshiped the Void
the ploo of olden days
I don’t know context
we shall be the pi of a new age
Inspired or mad, those ancient bugs. They devoted their worship to no lord, or power, or strength, but to the very darkness itself.
One of the best quotes in Hollow Knight.
in the monhun western community, there's a lot of debate about ancient civilization stuff due to a lack of information and how back in the days the people running the wiki decided to spread misinformation fanmade stuff
Oh ok
istg I will devourer of gods the people who decided that it would be a good idea to post their own random fanfictions in a wiki meant for official information
guys do you forward this
Very rarely does Hollow Knight wiki mention theories, because of how sparce information can be.
okay, thanks
why 2 gifs
Oops
Entire lore of Monster Hunter community upcoming, courtesy of Omni.
"erm actually the ancient civilization of monster hunter is an extremely evil civilization that hunted a shitton of elder dragons for no reason, the elder dragons ganged on them after the civilization created a weird dragon robot thing, and then fatalis came in and ended the entire civilization in 24 hours"
there's several ancient civilizations scattered through the world, their origins and how they ended are usually not the same, some worshipped elder dragons and other monsters, some didn't, they all had different cultures. But there clearly isn't one big civilization that ruled everything that was wiped out at once
the only implication of them hunting a lot of elder dragons is the fact that there's places where you can mine Kushala Daora's steel skin in one of the locales, specifically one littered in ruins. But Kushala Daora has been stated in the past to molt its skin and leave the previous skin behind, allowing for people to collect Kushala's steel skin
there is a mention of a dragon robot known as the "equal dragon weapon", and also of a dragon war, but the war was never described in detail other than "it screwed humanity quite badly", and in the end, both the dragon weapon and the dragon war iirc are scrapped concepts that have rarely been mentioned in recent times
fatalis, as we know, only ended Schrade Kingdom, overnight. It was the potential to end the world but hasn't done so for unknown reasons
sowwy for the rant but I wanted to yap...,,,, since a lot of people yap about random stuff here these days
and what I mean by "there's several ancient civilizations" is, for example, the ruins found in Fonron (tower locale, forlorn arena, for example), and the ruins found in the ruined pinnacle, or even the ruins of the castle schrade, they're all 3 different civilizations, from 3 different areas of the world, with 3 different cultures, and probably existed in different times too
(I did actively ask for the context so you could rant since you seem to like doing that)
Thats fair i hate when people pretend a headcanon is canon for wikis
I am reading the rants
yea
it's especially bad when it has very little basis, and instead of specifying it as headcanon they treat it as solid fact
Never came across it but I can imagine that is fucking dreadful for a communities understanding
:/
def need to be eel pit inhabitants
True
I love what Oceaniz does with his videos, while he does add some headcanons into his videos, he not only leaves all the official sources he uses under the comments and description, but he also specifies every bit of headcanon that is mentioned, and in general he's just a lot less relying on them than a lot of people
some of his videos may be extremely long but they're good watches for MH lore ngl
epic
If I ever get into monster hunter I’ll give the guy a look
good choice honestly
this server is slowly rotting
and we've only just recovered
Super Sea Overhaul will hopefully wash away the cringe
it won't tbh
super sea
nothing truly can
(Monster hunter rants aren’t cringe)
super seayan
not everyone can be appeased
:(
I sent the concerned draedon, hopefully that sorts it out

Not to my knowledge

Yeah it not new I don’t think so
what is this
Why it small

_ _
what does mood convey
:3
If a noxus fight happened, do you you guys think terrarian will kill him without any help
but what If he detects xeroc by maybe his light and hides away
Yeah what if we are the plan to drag noxus out
noxus is cringe imo, he would die to a regular ass butterfly
I dont think noxus would fall for that
he has advantage on his home
The noise of the fight might also attract xeroc idk
maybe braelor and statis could help
4 v 1
oh what do they normally stream?
The best
or just braelor statis is weak lol
Statis is at least 0.6 braelors
they said it at the end of the last stream
Statis is likely somewhat relative with braelor
actually i remember seeing them do character concepts i think
they did the character concept arts
If there's scarlet rot in CST then who does that make Malenia
Imo I’d put Statis around
DoG tier
Himaagain
if just a bit below
It was said statis was at least 0.6 braelor
that feels too much
So yeah statis still good
I mean
considering the strength Yharim was likely at
which is around or slightly below the exo mechs when he fought
Braelor and Statis
I doubt dog is like barely above a third of scals power
They’re two bosses apart 
Yeah that’s why I think it’s a bit much of a gap
Yeah
i’d say he’s like 85-90% of Yharon’s
He could theoretically win if things go right for him
honestly DoG would likely have an easier time with the exo mechs than scal
Yeah scal forces the fight to be more compact
Dog wondering why the fuck the tiny skeleton worm is fucking invincible
what could happen in a xeroc boss fight
moon gets a crater idk
idk If this is loreful but !!!!!!!!
He goes from 999.99% health to 750% health 
10 fargillion hp to 9.99999...... fargillion hp
Xeroc has 10 Xeroc per Xeroc
would he have another offer
Maybe?
^
probably
How many Xerocs is in a Xeroc though
10
144
God this reminds me of how calories and Calories are actually different measurements
Xeroc is like hollowknight
100% isn’t the end
FUCKING WHAT

HUH
WHY IS THE DIFFERENCE A UPPER CASE LETTER
And people say some fiction is dumb cause some characters acted dumb
and what could the offer possibly be
sell noxus to fovos as a pet
true
who know
me!
The spar fight?
yeah
Something I wonder
or no
How could strong could Yharim theoretically grt
If he wasn’t capped by lifespan
he clearly still has growth left
maybe closer to noxus level
considering in less than a year he jumped from exo mech tier to his own
Imo I’d probably put a max Yharim at Noxus level
If not just a bit below
Though I’d say he could physically overwhelm anyone at that point
What's the old name that Moon Lord had in cal lore?
Fovos
Fovos
Phobos if you're an ancient Greek 2000 years ago
Like including the funky light man
since he’d be essentially all muscle and tech
Alright thanks
I doubt yharim is at the universal strength limit for physicality
He’d probably near it
actually how strong would terrarian be If xeroc fight will ever happen
If not reach it
below xeroc
probably above noxus




