Nice nice
#lore-discussion
devout grotto
frank dune
Doesnt he have alread?
frank dune
I feel like devs need to add second lore item for both cultist and ml
About them exactly
sleek halo
bestiary entrybis
split mortar
Calamity only has calamity bestiary entires not vanilla rewrites
sleek halo
what that’ll be
devout grotto
The first story I wanna focus on first is the one I have in mind that takes place way before the game starts
dusk laurel
I feel like devs need to add second lore item for both cultist and ml
lore items are yharim yapping
devout grotto
Around early Crusade years
dusk laurel
not really fully accurate
devout grotto
Yharpping
magic epoch
sleek halo
Yharon likely doesn’t know shit either
split mortar
Incomprehensible
Have a day
cloud ibex
Yharon likely doesn’t know shit either
"that fucking squid that i hate"
sleek halo
“He ROCKED our shit”
devout grotto
"that fucking squid that i hate"
😭
sleek halo
Oh man
magic epoch
"that mf"
dusk laurel
calamitas, perma and amidias
split mortar
Amidias going to hold a lot of lore from what I remember
sleek halo
a shit ton of illmeris lore
so likely far more stuff on otonilou and tyrian
sleek halo
Uhhhh
frank dune
Besides killing gods do smth else
dusk laurel
sleek halo
well he does’t really know
frank dune
Or even reasoning
split mortar
If we don’t like gods then we should kill dryad 
dusk laurel
_ _
frank dune
bro is basically just hoping
Proving yharim even more worthless
I am definedly gonna write him with his true intentions then it gets to plot ig
sleek halo
I mean Yharim is kind of just
seemingly a shell
of who he really was
He may be at his peak physically
but he is fucked everywhere else
magic epoch
Physicality peaked but brother I'm 113
hushed geyser
Yharim is a saiyan confirmed
scenic olive
do what you want with that information
split mortar
Sulphurous sea and the Abyss water are Silva's bathwater
Then what does this make jared
scenic olive
Then what does this make jared
Pet dog
sinful adder
I wish we could have some cool post game or time skip stuff where we rebuild things and rescue Silva
devout grotto
so likely far more stuff on otonilou and tyrian
scenic olive
i feel like pointing that out today
devout grotto
I can't wait sm
hoary berry
Hi lorers
I have about thirty minutes of work left on an assignment then I get a four day break from college :D
cloud ibex
devout grotto
o7
untold oracle
That’s amazing pal
hoary berry
cloud ibex
stark basalt
hoary berry
Thank you kana
sinful adder
Good to see you, kana
dusk laurel
the blessing of kana
real silo
Chainsaw man but instead of chainsaw man we have moon lord gif man and instead of being the hero of hell he's the hero of lore discussion
untold oracle
Lore discussion peaks
frank dune
Sulphurous sea and the Abyss water are Silva's bathwater
and then ppl say i am bad at this
untold oracle
Why did noxus create a random ass portal and leave it in the dungeon
sinful adder
We have no idea, but we know it's older than the dungeon
Like, the dungeon was built around it, or something
We don't know who sealed the portal closed
Or when
real silo
It was for the hahas
frank dune
silly
real silo
a dist....ortion
latent bolt
Sulphurous sea and the Abyss water are Silva's bathwater
this same logic makes the shimmer EoL's bathwater
dusk laurel
?
latent bolt
i do not want to explain further
dusk laurel
latent bolt
providence isnt allowed to have the bathwater cause she was nasty to EoL that one time
latent bolt
obviously before yharim forced her into hiding
cloud ibex
i do not want to explain further
Good! Do not elaborate
latent bolt
you got it fam 
spring helm
Man wtf
hoary berry
1233popcorn
untold oracle
pHGoose🎇
latent bolt
Deltaw
hoary berry
actually how am i supposed to pronounce Deltaw
i say delta - w
is the 'w' just meant to make it end with an 'aw' sound?
probably
untold oracle
I pronounce it as delt-aw so
split mortar
Maybe the portal actually doesn’t work at all
It likely does since when we beat ceaseless we will get access to the distortion when the distortion comes out
untold oracle
Nuh uh
frozen zodiac
what if dog drops a new item if you summon him inside the distortion
untold oracle
It’s a prank Noxus made
split mortar
what if dog drops a new item if you summon him inside the distortion
He drags us to the distortion in the distortion update so it would probably need him to be in armour from the get go for it to be different or a challange
But maybe? Idk maybe a dye or something as a Easter egg would be cool if they do that
frozen zodiac
i cant remember if it was my own imagination or if infernum adds the 3 servants as a part of dog's fight
split mortar
It’s a old part of base cal dog fight
Infernum doesn’t add it back
split mortar
Hey cheese
pliant ruin
hai
untold oracle
Chese
untold oracle
And then we have braelor
eager bluff
this user doesnt know trees have eyes
deft vessel
random mulch
justk inda there
honestly, my headcanon is that holy fire is hot enough to bake ash into a type of glass, aka the profaned crystal
untold oracle
I’d think it’s some sort of a core, so destroying it would cripple her
untold oracle
honestly, my headcanon is that holy fire is hot enough to bake ash into a type o...
Makes sense
split mortar
I’d think it’s some sort of a core, so destroying it would cripple her
I think that was the case in old lore, new lore idk could still be true
random mulch
(though since ash is carbon it'd technically be a type of diamond)
untold oracle
I think that was the case in old lore, new lore idk could still be true
In the old lore providence literally is the crystal
split mortar
(though since ash is carbon it'd technically be a type of diamond)
Diamonds can have colour
untold oracle
And the rock body around it is just deco
random mulch
this is still the greatest thing i've ever created, despite being old
brisk pewter
Yharim, the dragon’s heah
deft vessel
Why so sassy?
frozen zodiac
yharim, the enemy's heah
untold oracle
this is still the greatest thing i've ever created, despite being old
This is even worse than the time I was the Godseeker!
frozen zodiac
if we're going by shitty family guy humor the cutaway gag would be him abusing calamitas for no reason
random mulch
anyways i should really finish this yhim at some point
frozen zodiac
yhim!
random mulch
the design's pretty much finished, just needs the everything else
dusk laurel
this is still the greatest thing i've ever created, despite being old
.
masterpiece.
untold oracle
What does balancing the world have to do with eating the corpses of gods
Is SG a cannibal
split mortar
Yes, slime god was likely human and so were those gods it eats
Well less so eats but uses for paladins
untold oracle
Yes, slime god was likely human and so were those gods it eats
I mean how do you know
They were all human
split mortar
Not all but most gods were human to my knowledge
split mortar
Yeah she is one of the exceptions
And also not in a biome slime god effected
dusk laurel
otonilou and tyrian also weren't human
ilmeran water people (jellyfish and anglerfish respectively)
untold oracle
Tyrian is sea god right?
real silo
Yes
untold oracle
I’m pretty sure the electricity prices in Ilmeris were not that high due to Otonilou
dusk laurel
they were probably
free right before the incineration
(the entire sea was electrified)
untold oracle
Do yall think Ilmeris was a popular tourist destination
split mortar
For those prepared to handle a water civilisation yeah
untold oracle
I love the Ilmeris sociology talk
I’m pretty sure they do not have a water bill there
Considering
It’s pretty
Water
split mortar
And it’s drinkable water at that
untold oracle
I’m pretty sure Ilmeris water is like the equivalent of fiji water
Prism shard filtered water
split mortar
Prism shard filtered water
Electrolytes filled water
untold oracle
Energy drink
devout grotto
😋
Ok but I'm actually curious about the elevation of Ilmeris and all that other stuff
And the size, really
Until more lore drops, I'm gonna be assuming that it's the size of Morocco at the least
split mortar
Elevation?
Sunken sea starts at the underground desert
untold oracle
The 2Dness of Terraria doesn’t give the full picture to be certain
devout grotto
Yeah
untold oracle
How does pressure work there?
devout grotto
Elevation?
Sunken sea starts at the underground desert
I mean that's after the incineration afaik
split mortar
Nope
devout grotto
But idk, I haven't read much of the lore yet anyway
split mortar
It was always under the desert
Just that scal made it go from like ten metres below the surface to like hundreds of metres below the surface or something of that sort
untold oracle
I always thought Ilmeris was on the surface too but that’s old lore I’m pretty sure
Also it wouldn’t make sense for it to have been on the surface
hoary berry
Ok but I'm actually curious about the elevation of Ilmeris and all that other st...
i swear i had a dev statement about this but i can't find it
split mortar
The surface desert was always a desert
hoary berry
it was always beneath the surface tho yeah
untold oracle
Since it doesn’t work that on the seafloor on the surface would’ve been a massive sea on top of iy
Because the incineration didn’t turn the water into the sand
Why would’ve it
split mortar
Hope we cleared the confusion
devout grotto
So it's kind of more of an oasis-kind of thing?
untold oracle
No
Underwater sea
You dig underground a little and a massive fucking body of water appears
devout grotto
I see 
untold oracle
I’m pretty sure the upper areas of Ilmeris was a lot more open
But that wouldn’t make sense due to underground desert being caverny
Having an open area would make more sense tho in the sense of incineration
devout grotto
Yeah exactly
split mortar
untold oracle
Since otherwise scal would’ve had to heat up the cavern walls so much it boils the water everywhere
And that’s a pretty big feat
split mortar
The top layer is sand, blue where it was and red where it is after scal basically
devout grotto
Alright, makes sense
split mortar
Any other things you confused about on the lore?
devout grotto
That's all, really
split mortar
Oh ok
devout grotto
~~I do wish there was an archive for the additional lore beyond the lore doc tho 🥲 ~~
untold oracle
We gotta set up a community archive
devout grotto
Yeah
untold oracle
Where we dump all these theories etc in
split mortar
A theory document
untold oracle
Xeroc tax must be mentioned at least once
split mortar
NO
untold oracle
hoary berry
# NO
of all people to refuse mention of xeroc tax, i wouldn't have expected it to be you ngl
not when you played such a big role in propagating it
split mortar
People change
hoary berry
split mortar
Been a good bit since Kana appeared
untold oracle
Caspian sea is called a sea when it is a lake technically
indigo glade
Why is it called a sea when it is freshwater
Sometimes lakes are called seas because that was how they were first described.
untold oracle
Oh yeah I started improving my doc now instead of writing new stuff
I lacked description a lot and my paragraphs were the size of Ilmeris
hoary berry
revising drafts is something i struggle a lot with because i get attached to too many of my original ideas and lose track of my plans to improve upon them, or at least improve how they are described/structured
so i usually just end up writing a lot slower, with the benefit of stuff needing less changes and so revising stuff being easier
untold oracle
With me I either write really fast or slow depending on my flow
But in either way I revise a lot of stuff
untold oracle
revising drafts is something i struggle a lot with because i get attached to too...
Btw are the stuff you send here first drafts or are they final? (Or something between)
prime frost
could bayle beat dog
hoary berry
most things i send here are 'first drafts' in the sense that i've probably just finished writing them in one sitting
but a lot of those things aren't part of a larger project, or are just stuff i did to follow up on a random idea that came to me
so i often just leave them in a miscellaneous doc and don't revise them beyond tiny improvements
some stuff is a paragraph that i send here because i've spent too long staring at it and can't tell if i've committed some grave grammatical error
so i ask for someone to read over it here
spring helm
All the stuff I write are first drafts because I basically never make any edits
untold oracle
most things i send here are 'first drafts' in the sense that i've probably just ...
Wow, you really are talented then
hoary berry
half of my edits are fixing sentence structure
untold oracle
Like you describe stuff really well and you got a large vocab
hoary berry
half of my edits are fixing sentence structure
because, holy fuck, some of my sentences are the closest thing to run-on sentences something can be without actually being a run-on sentence
hoary berry
Like you describe stuff really well and you got a large vocab
thanks :D
though keep in mind that for a section someone else might spend five minutes on, i might spend fifteen because i keep on fretting over individual words
so it's not like i just spew it out suddenly and it comes out that way
untold oracle
That might be the thing then lol
devout grotto
With me I either write really fast or slow depending on my flow
Well those are some bars
hoary berry
although sometimes i do just leave my room for a break, start walking down the main staircase, then suddenly a fully-formed sentence that's better than anything else i've written that day pops into my head
devout grotto
🔥🔥🔥🔥
hoary berry
true lmao
untold oracle
devout grotto
hoary berry
although sometimes i do just leave my room for a break, start walking down the m...
i'm imagine this is just my subconscious cooking something then showing me the finished product
devout grotto
Me when the stuff I come up already make me cringe even though they haven't left my head yet 
hoary berry
Me when the stuff I come up already make me cringe even though they haven't left...
this is me with dialogue
devout grotto
Why tf did I talk like a pirate there for a bit 
hoary berry
or really half of the first person stuff i write
third and second person perspectives are so much easier for me unless i'm really feeling up for first person
spring helm
I never know what to do with first person perspective
Should I still describe the scene?
hoary berry
random but can waterfall block walls be painted to change the liquid colour?
spring helm
But what kind of person does that in their head?
untold oracle
I almost always write in third person in the past tense
hoary berry
Should I still describe the scene?
it's easier for me to write first-person stuff if the character is super posh or fancy
because then i can still fit in half of the words and phrases i'd normally use in third-person
devout grotto
But what kind of person does that in their head?
I mean it could be like in a diary format
viral juniper
Should I still describe the scene?
First person to me is like this:
Since it's from the eyes of the narrator, they'd obviously point out some stuff that was interesting or out of place, but not really anything else
Like, if you walked into a kitchen, you wouldn't describe every single cupboard or drawer you came across in detail, yeah?
devout grotto
👆🏼
viral juniper
Alternatively, use limited third-person to only describe scenery and first-person everywhere else
If your switching of narration is consistent in how it's done, then it should work in the context of the story
wheat walrus
could bayle beat dog
idk but I've heard elden ring scaling can get quite fucky wucky
and that one calc I did on request about a heavily weakened radahn alone surpasses most if not all of calamity depending on which ends you take
split mortar
and that one calc I did on request about a heavily weakened radahn alone surpass...
oh
Idk where Elden ring scales
So that’s certainly something to hear
wheat walrus
basically
heavily weakened radahn holds a shitton of comet thingies still in space with his magic
iirc
and does so until he dies
the lowest end iirc was like mountain to island level I think
but the highest ends of that can get quite deep into multi-continent level
just depends on which way of approaching the feat one thinks it's best
besides, that's not all
there's quite the crazy haxes in there
split mortar
Oh so weakened radahn is like straight up possibly stronger then xeroc
wheat walrus
like some dude holding a sword that embodies the concept of death
while I myself am not an ER nerd
I've heard a bunch from a friend who is an ER nerd
split mortar
Same
wheat walrus
could be right could be wrong
there's also placidusax, I think was the name, that guy is weakened, with multiple heads cut, and their scales supposedly warp time by simply existing
now if this counts as hax then it's not too big of a deal
but if there's enough of an argument for this not being hax, but pure power, then one might argue Uni+ for placidusax
but idk
not sure
once again
don't take my word as absolute on this
split mortar
I feel like uni+ is just not a thing Elden ring should be able to reach
Cause how the fuck
wheat walrus
yea
spring helm
Was Yharim exactly 9 feet?
wheat walrus
tiers after high universe level usually aren't really based on destructive power
wheat walrus
high universe level is infinite, like an infinite universe or infinite amounts of energy
then after that it's just dimensional scaling
my beloathed
untold oracle
Was Yharim exactly 9 feet?
8’1 iirc
spring helm
high universe level is infinite, like an infinite universe or infinite amounts o...
Scales past that are just people going “Nuh uh my infinity is bigger than yours”
split mortar
And so it goes to dimensional scaling and then whatever the fuck outerversal and beyond is
split mortar
Scales past that are just people going “Nuh uh my infinity is bigger than yours”
Which I don’t think is even mathematically correct
wheat walrus
there's a reason why I've seen several generic anime dudes who don't do much scale to outer n shit
spring helm
Which I don’t think is even mathematically correct
No that’s correct
wheat walrus
Scales past that are just people going “Nuh uh my infinity is bigger than yours”
basically
spring helm
Some infinities are bigger than others
spring helm
There are more decimals between 1 and 0 than whole numbers
wheat walrus
the 3rd dimension
infinite amounts of 3rd dimension
uni+ is affecting the 4th dimension
then there's all the multiverse tiering which is affecting multiple timelines (4th dimensions)
then it starts stacking up
5th dimension
6th
yea
it gets worse though
spring helm
Atom splitter is multidimensional ong
wheat walrus
once you reach infinite dimensions
which is high hyperverse level
or beyond dimensionality
spring helm
These sound like terms made up by children
wheat walrus
depending on the context it's often low outer or baseline outer
wheat walrus
These sound like terms made up by children
lmao
split mortar
What about if in a verse there’s no real power difference between a lower and higher dimensional being
Do they just be unable to scale them or something
split mortar
These sound like terms made up by children
Yeah
wheat walrus
What about if in a verse there’s no real power difference between a lower and hi...
yea this is one part I dislike about dimensional scaling
split mortar
Like there’s very little I can see as being a good reason for outerversal or above
wheat walrus
the only good verse that reaches outer and boundless stuff is cthulhu mythos
lmao
aside from maybe a few good stories from scp
split mortar
And one of them is straight up that the character is the omnipotent character for the verse
split mortar
the only good verse that reaches outer and boundless stuff is cthulhu mythos
I have only heard a bit but it does seem to handle that stuff better
spring helm
Guess what I’m making the Terrarian do
split mortar
Learn yharims height
spring helm
No that’s me
untold oracle
Guess what I’m making the Terrarian do
Wdym another Mark
spring helm
I find it hard to take the Cthulhu mythos seriously, powerscaling wise.
HP Lovecraft was afraid of air conditioners and wavelengths past the visible spectrum
wheat walrus
fair lmao
spring helm
Wdym another Mark
My Terrarian’s name is Mark
Because I’m bad at coming up with names
untold oracle
Yeah ik but what another
spring helm
Because another one came out
untold oracle
Oh
spring helm
No
This is a continuation of the Biome Blade fic I wrote
The Terrarian is recreating the fight scene to track down where the sword went after it blew up
Now that I think about it, I have no clue how big Braelor is
split mortar
Because another one came out
Mitosis
spring helm
Close enough
Omni if I make my characters talk to the narrator does that make them higher dimensional
untold oracle
split mortar
I don’t think so, I think it’s just called like being meta or something weird that doesn’t attribute to their power
wheat walrus
Omni if I make my characters talk to the narrator does that make them higher dim...
Depends on context I assume
Usually it's just 4th wall breaking
No more than that
spring helm
No thanks, my brain is spent from uni an fanfic research
split mortar
I don’t get why people powerscale joke characters like bugs bunny
wheat walrus
Lmao true
untold oracle
Someone powerscaled the Bible
pulsar trellis
I don’t get why people powerscale joke characters like bugs bunny
its usually used for comedic effect due to a character thats known to be very strong getting defeated by a complete meme
however it gets really wierd after a while as the powercreep keeps going
split mortar
Someone powerscaled the Bible
I wonder what they said for god since some powerscalers deny omnipotent characters existing for some reason
untold oracle
They put this one character I don’t remember by name extremely high because it said that he wrestled with literally god
split mortar
Oh
untold oracle
The powerscaling was ridiculous
pulsar trellis
bible powercreep
untold oracle
Though I wanna see a video where they give the people actual values and comparisons
Since that video was just about analyzing their feats
pulsar trellis
i think if u were to assign values things would get out of hand quick
bible lore isnt too balanced in terms of character strength
untold oracle
They put Adam high because it literally reads he lived over 900 years
spring helm
They put this one character I don’t remember by name extremely high because it s...
Israel
That’s his name
split mortar
Isn’t that a counrty aswell
untold oracle
And you can’t go back in time to kill him because he was created as a full blown adult
pulsar trellis
And you can’t go back in time to kill him because he was created as a full blown...
and pretty much every mention of god in the bible basically just states he is straight up omnipotent so idk how u would assign a power number to that
spring helm
Okay so
untold oracle
Infinity
spring helm
He said let there be light
untold oracle
Literally ND
pulsar trellis
yea....
spring helm
Below street level
spring helm
Because I’m an atheist
frank dune
hello lorers
split mortar
Don’t plenty of powerscalers deny omnipotent characters for some weird reason though
frank dune
what were loring today?
pulsar trellis
Below street level
make pebble level a real power level lmao
untold oracle
Faith is literally the power system there
split mortar
what were loring today?
Bible powerscaling
untold oracle
Bible powerscaling
I’m laughing so hard at the question and the reply
Average lore discussion
pulsar trellis
Don’t plenty of powerscalers deny omnipotent characters for some weird reason th...
yea because things get real funky with omnipotent characters
its like
oh you have a counter to [omnipotent character]? nope they can do anything so fuck you
frozen zodiac
its usually used for comedic effect due to a character thats known to be very st...
i love the Popeye vs Saitama video because it completely embraces how goofy it is a guy that eats spinach can defeat a bald man that trained himself to be so strong he has to actively hold back his strength
spring helm
I really like that death battle
split mortar
Like I can understand ignoring omnipotence for the sake of fun but not outright denying they can be in fiction
pulsar trellis
Like I can understand ignoring omnipotence for the sake of fun but not outright ...
its just that there wouldnt really be a fight between a non-omnipotent character and an omnipotent one
because well....
spring helm
I like how all of superman’s greatest feats are him hitting someone really hard
split mortar
Yeah that’s the part I mentioned about having fun
But I’m pretty sure I have seen people genuinely mean that a omnipotent character can’t exist in fiction even outside verse battles and powerscaling
spring helm
Nice complex hack ability dipshit eat this👊
untold oracle
I like how all of superman’s greatest feats are him hitting someone really hard
Wasn’t there also the feat he flew around Earth so fast that time reversed
pulsar trellis
Yeah that’s the part I mentioned about having fun
But I’m pretty sure I have se...
yea
its just its not explored as much due to it not gaining traction/not being fun
spring helm
Wasn’t there also the feat he flew around Earth so fast that time reversed
Yeah Superman (1978)
Blew my mind as a kid
untold oracle
The powerlevel is crazy
pulsar trellis
Nice complex hack ability dipshit eat this👊
the villain's plan: super elaborate and spent years on it
superman's plan: whack em real hard
spring helm
Alright enough powerscaling for now back to lore
split mortar
Imagine thinking lore chat will be on topic
untold oracle
spring helm
I’m not trying to get warned again guys
hoary berry
I’m not that old guys
i'm on to you......
spring helm
1233 popcorn years
dusk laurel
I’m not trying to get warned again guys
spring helm
I’m still traumatized from the time I got time’d out because someone made an edit of my fanfic
jk it was really fucki funny
untold oracle
Oh no
untold oracle
And how did you get punished
spring helm
So I got time’d out
untold oracle
Lmao
untold oracle
They removed it I assume
spring helm
Yeah
untold oracle
I don’t see a warn there
spring helm
Well it has been like 3 months
untold oracle
Okay looking at this the ”massive” feels really silly in general
hoary berry
"with his proper bloody bonkers big -- like genuinely its fucking enormous you should see it it's scary -- sword"
my dialect may have leaked through there ever so slightly
spring helm
British goose
hoary berry
geordie goose
spring helm
I still don’t really know the exact tone I want my calamity fic to be in
split mortar
May help with you knowing where stuff is so probably
devout grotto
👆🏼
spring helm
Calamity itself is quite serious, but I find it difficult to keep it that way
split mortar
Long as you can have it be serious enough in the correct situations then it’s fine not being as serious
split mortar
Like semi-serious with occasional comedy
Yeah that
spring helm
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F0zYc7ytBV_pGvxhaTHQ9DiT7FsNjk30Ig4E96ksagI/edit
im sending chapter one again
Deltaw I’m flexing on you
spring helm
Chapter 1
untold oracle
Looks good
spring helm
Hell yeah
untold oracle
I like the kinda exaggerating/comedic describing
How do zombies exist
Are they just undead or is it some kinda infection
split mortar
We know brimstone is related to necromancy and that thanks to azafure brimstone is kinda everywhere so it may be that
spring helm
Then again the blood moon’s been around for a long time too
split mortar
Maybe it’s like, bloodmoon remnants
devout grotto
Kind of a stupid question but I kinda wonder if stuff like magic and summon weapons can be bought and sold the same wayvmelee and ranged weapons are
(It could be something only crafted and specific to its user)
hoary berry
(It could be something only crafted and specific to its user)
this has made me want to expand something i wrote about summon weapons a few weeks ago to include user locks...
spring helm
User locked weapons
The Murasama…
ANOTHER METAL GEAR RISING REFERENCE!!!!
Personally I think magic tomes are usable by anyone
split mortar
Anyone with enough magical knowledge imo
spring helm
They’re like automatic casting machines in my eyes, you put mana in and a magical phenomenon comes out
Other stuff like wands and magic swords also act like conduits for mana, but require skill to weave the magic inside
And then there are those who are built different and don’t need that kind of stuff
Permafrost comes to mind
split mortar
And scal
scenic olive
a Calamity anime but its Dr Stone and midway through the series it just becomes full metal alchemist
hoary berry
When an object has absorbed a certain amount of mana (natural or from a person) it has the potential to be used as a magical catalyst—a medium through which mana can be channelled for heightened control and mana efficiency, or even for altering the nature of the mana itself (as an alternative to a runic array, which does not require the object to be a catalyst but can only convert one specific type of mana into one other specific type).
that's what i have written down in regards to magic weapons
spring helm
And scal
I wouldn’t call SCal skilled tbh, I feel she’s more like someone who just has so much magic inside her that it will destroy whatever she wants
Which results in her having trouble with more minute spells
split mortar
She does have skill now, seen in the bestiary where the soul seekers are a more advanced version of the soul slurpers in the crags
spring helm
That’s fair
split mortar
It may not be as much as others
spring helm
I wouldn’t put her on the same pedestal as Perma though
split mortar
But she does have skill currently
split mortar
I wouldn’t put her on the same pedestal as Perma though
Same
devout grotto
Oh yeah I kinda wrote something about this before :O
split mortar
Nice
Nah not really it’s pretty good
Just confused on the big ass gaps between words
devout grotto
Mobile moment 😭
Oh wait no I'm stupid
Idek why I thought formatting the doc like that was a good idea 💀
Ok I fixed the formatting
untold bluff
Is thanatos's design based on the final tier armored excavator?
untold bluff
My message got instantly consumed by large images 😭
spring helm
Is thanatos's design based on the final tier armored excavator?
Possibly
devout grotto
I kinda remember a discussion about Town Slimes and how'd they'd fit into Calamity lore and I'm kinda going with that too
spring helm
The designs for Thanatos, Excavator, and Destroyer might all be related
devout grotto
Slimes are quite simple creatures (afaik) anyway
So it's kinda easy to make some out of magic and such
spring helm
Slime chapter
devout grotto
So true
spring helm
Do they have cores like in some fantasy?
hoary berry
> When an object has absorbed a certain amount of mana (natural or from a person...
i'm realising now that i haven't actually written a dedicated section for magical catalysts
this is just the intro to the section about summon weapons
i need to get on with that ig
devout grotto
I'm kinda also thinking that almost anything can be enchanted into a summon weapon
split mortar
Is thanatos's design based on the final tier armored excavator?
It’s based on dog armour iirc
dusk laurel
wasn't it made like braelor's axe
split mortar
I'm talking about the looks
Then maybe? I don’t think draedon comments on it beyond the dog armour “similiarity”
dusk laurel
and has cosmilite in it
split mortar
wasn't it made like braelor's axe
Yeah particle plasma jets
dusk laurel
and has cosmilite in it
plus exo prisms and other stuff
hoary berry
I'm kinda also thinking that almost anything can be enchanted into a summon weap...
this is sort of similar to how i'm approaching summon weapons
only it's magical catalysts being exposed to the exact right mana and transforming into a summon weapon
hoary berry
this is sort of similar to how i'm approaching summon weapons
some of them at least
some summons, like Ares' Exoskeleton, is just technology, no magic involved
and i'm thinking stuff that's just regular animals or living things could just be making a pact with a creature or by taming them
like Belladonna Spirit Staff would just be making a pact with jungle spirits to fight side-by-side
spring helm
Would the summon weapon then be a teleportation spell to call them to you when needed
untold oracle
Did Yharon fight in the war
untold oracle
Or was he too valuable to be lost
split mortar
He would be relative to yharim for the good part of the crusade so he would probably not be at any more risk then yharim
I think it may just be they forgot to mention him much
grand remnant
i thought yharim was crippled from lava until he met draedon and got godarmor?
wait that says yharon
illiteracy strikes me again 😭
split mortar
Nah he healed after the lava
A battle with braelor and statis harmed him enough to cause him to get Exo auric armour from draedon
He prob has a lot of scaring from the lava though
hoary berry
Would the summon weapon then be a teleportation spell to call them to you when n...
could be, or with some weapons, like the finch staff, they always stay with/near you and the summon staff is a means to communicate with the summons themselves
and direct them in battle as needed
devout grotto
this is sort of similar to how i'm approaching summon weapons
Oooo
devout grotto
Would the summon weapon then be a teleportation spell to call them to you when n...
My interpretation is more something like being able to pop the summon out of thin air and making disappear if needed
spring helm
✍️
devout grotto
Summons are more like pure mana energy stuff to me at least but hey, there's no hard canon anyway so do as you will
hoary berry
In rare cases, however, catalysts can transform into a special object called a summoning focus; this transformation can occur either due to the natural absorption of mana leaked from a magical entity or through the forceful injection of foreign mana or essence into the catalyst.
In the former case, the summoning focus can be used to create a special lifeform(s) that mimics the source of the mana that birthed the focus (i.e. Calamari’s Lament). In the latter case, the resultant creation(s) mimics the mana/essence injected into the catalyst, with this process being much more unpredictable the greater the number of different types of mana/essence used.
The focus acts as the body of the minions(s); to kill the minions, you must destroy the focus. The minions themselves are more akin to projections, and cannot be harmed (though they can be momentarily disrupted with the correct magic).
this is how i choose to interpret a lot of summoning weapons
the exceptions to this would be minions that are actually just technology or genuine living creatures, as i mentioned earlier
and stuff like the Cinder Blossom Staff wouldn't actually use summon magic (the magic required to make use of summoning foci) but just a magical catalyst that has been repurposed to repeat only a single spell, but with excellent mana efficiency and requiring very little active effort to maintain
split mortar
And what about cinders of lament, is that different?
hoary berry
afaik cinders is getting a rework
because the self-damage is being removed from that set of weapons but cinders is literally designed around that mechanic
so i'm waiting to see what the rework is before deciding what i think about how it might work
(and if it turns out it isn't getting reworked i'll think about it when i find that out)
stark basalt
hoary berry
olive knoll
I think we can all collectively agree that Calamitas needs therapy
haughty ivy
why exactly did anahita leave the abyss? the lore item says "Anahita was driven from her home in the Abyss by Silva's encroaching greenery." and I may be stupid but I can't think of why plants would make her leave the abyss
olive knoll
Honestly good luck following the lore if you're only playing the game
indigo glade
Honestly good luck following the lore if you're only playing the game
Most of what we know is in game.
olive knoll
Eventually you will learn about a lot of things endgame, of course
However some deets need to be scrounged for
indigo glade
why exactly did anahita leave the abyss? the lore item says "Anahita was driven ...
Probably because of Silva simply existing. Anahita may not want their domains to clash.
haughty ivy
Honestly good luck following the lore if you're only playing the game
ive watched plenty of videos on youtube and google docs but I just didnt understand anahita lol
haughty ivy
Probably because of Silva simply existing. Anahita may not want their domains to...
fair enough
olive knoll
Even after trying to find everything I still dont feel like I know the full story 100%
Which has made me cautious of writing anything fanmade
dusk laurel
maybe, the story isn't fully implemented yet
olive knoll
Well of course
dusk laurel
like i'd wager 60%-80% of the story is currently ingame/from dev statements
split mortar
I was imagining more so 40%
Since vanilla bestiary rewrite, npc dialogue and distortion bestiary entires are yet to be public
split mortar
Yeah moonlord is
Sadly there’s not as much as calamity and it’s less consistent from what I heard
pliant ruin
Vanilla terraria lore is reds fever dream
haughty ivy
Yeah vanilla lore is neat in its own way
I love the vanilla lore of the evil biomes and was slightly disappointed by the calamity version but it fits the pre-established universe so
split mortar
I find it a bit funny both have living planets
haughty ivy
also REALLY dumb question that idk if anybody had ever asked, how does dog put on his armor 😭 the only thing I could possibly think of is maybe he has like, a draedon-built docking bay??? Because how would he put it on himself lol
split mortar
I don’t think anything has been confirmed
I imagine he prob opens a portal inside the armour and goes inside that way but idk it weird
high lynx
Maybe he has a bunch of little arms on his bottom
pliant ruin
i like to think eh just teleports the pieces of armor onto himself individually
haughty ivy
teleportation is probably the most normal answer lol
pliant ruin
like
high lynx
Like a milepede
pliant ruin
a bunch of different plates attaching onto him
haughty ivy
Maybe he has a bunch of little arms on his bottom
I hate the thought of that😭
millipede DoG
haughty ivy
🔥
high lynx
Isnt it made of cosmolite, which is really flexible and something else?
split mortar
I saw vanillin say it’s a liquid when we get it in the distortion
high lynx
Ive never been to the distortion
split mortar
high lynx
Whats the other thing in DoG’s armour
split mortar
The gem things?
high lynx
No
split mortar
This the resprite armour that is most recent
I don’t see anything other then gem and metal
high lynx
No but i couldve sworn the armour was made from cosmolite mixed with something else
split mortar
That’s the Exo mechs
high lynx
Ah
dusk laurel
I love the vanilla lore of the evil biomes and was slightly disappointed by the ...
tbh corruption and crimson aren't that much of a threat
so them not being too important other than yhapaganda makes sense
split mortar
How are they not much a threat
dusk laurel
well in the sense that the entities that come from it are pretty weak
pliant ruin
Yeah vanilla lore is neat in its own way
disagree personally but to each their own
high lynx
That beast cannot eat a world
dusk laurel
vanilla lore is pretty wacky, although i like the comprehensiveness of calamity more
high lynx
Me too
high lynx
Game theory could NOT make a theory on vanilla
Probably
Unless they pull a minecraft
pliant ruin
There isn't really much to theorize about
high lynx
Unless they pulled a minecraft
pliant ruin
Vanilla lore is incredibly straightforward and dosen't really leave much to interpretation save for like, headcanons
so yea
so yea theyd have to pull a minecraft
funny thing though
is that minecraft has more consistent "lore" than vanilla terraria, genuinely
Like
even if there's no text
There's actual cohesive themes and intentional design choices made to let players interpret a story
high lynx
Game theory agrees
pliant ruin
Terraria is quite literally just
split mortar
well in the sense that the entities that come from it are pretty weak
It is a threat in vanilla, the eye is a big threat to growing towns and so most people can’t easily handle the corruption in vanilla
pliant ruin
cool thing devs wanted to add
indigo glade
Aren't many Vanilla bestiary entries just...
indigo glade
describing the creature?
pliant ruin
but
split mortar
describing the creature?
Yeah
pliant ruin
i think terraria "lore" does absolutely barely qualify as lore and even a game with literally no actual dialogue or narrative like minecraft has more of an actual well-built lore than it does
high lynx
Terraria is a game that can have roombas and santa claus in the same world
dusk laurel
It is a threat in vanilla, the eye is a big threat to growing towns and so most ...
i meant in cal
split mortar
Oh yeah in cal it’s less of a threat
dusk laurel
?
dusk laurel
^
split mortar
Crumble to dust
high lynx
Do we count EoC as an evil biome boss
split mortar
high lynx
Please
dusk laurel
Do we count EoC as an evil biome boss
in cal it is
high lynx
Cool
dusk laurel
although it fits more with crimson in terms of design
high lynx
Drops the ore
split mortar
Do we count EoC as an evil biome boss
I think in cal lore it has ties to evil biomes as its origin
high lynx
And the seeds
split mortar
Nah not by those metrics
Only eater and brain are evil biome bosses cause they have to be fought in the evil biome
high lynx
But i guess theres a hole
pliant ruin
Gameplay wise its not a evil biome boss
high lynx
They existed pre evil biome
pliant ruin
but it's a evil biome boss in the lore sense of things
dusk laurel
^
frank dune
,^
high lynx
“People once made names for themselves slaying such beasts” if i remember the quote correctly
pliant ruin
i mean
evil biomes
are really old
like they were the first gods yharim slayed
so
do keep in mind the crusade lasted like
high lynx
How long ago was that though
pliant ruin
80 years
high lynx
Less than 100 years yeah
pliant ruin
"People once made names for themselves slaying such beasts" is definitely something that can still easily apply here
high lynx
I suppose
pliant ruin
Not like it specifies "Centuries ago people once made names for themselves slaying such beasts"
high lynx
Do terrarians die of old age
frank dune
Yharim yes
spare pier
There is one thing y'all are forgetting
frank dune
Player no
high lynx
Yharim is getting old
spare pier
It is true that unspeakable abominations may now be commonplace, largely by my hand.
Though they have always been a product of the folly of the Gods, the same Gods would cull them in equal measure.
frank dune
I hope we can throw yharims voodoo doll in lava
frank dune
I hope we can throw yharims voodoo doll in lava
And summon wall of auric
spare pier
Like, think about it for a while
There is no fucking way, ever since the Deific Era started, no God died
800 years, and only when Yharim rolled around did some die?
high lynx
Oh true
But did gods kill each other or die of old age
Theyd have to kill each other
spare pier
Gods don't age
high lynx
But yharim does
pliant ruin
I mean yeah there definitely were gods dying before but i just assumed EoC was associated with evil biomes given it drops evil biome rleated things
high lynx
Unless he doesnt
frank dune
Yhafim aint god
high lynx
Because of yharon or sum
indigo glade
> It is true that unspeakable abominations may now be commonplace, largely by my...
"Some Gods did die, yes, but the things that were created from them would also be destroyed by other Gods, or their followers." Would you say this is a correct interpretation?
high lynx
Why dont the gods just wait for yharim to die of old age
split mortar
Theyd have to kill each other
Yeah and providence really likes death
spare pier
"Some Gods did die, yes, but the things that were created from them would also b...
Pretty much
spare pier
Why dont the gods just wait for yharim to die of old age
Why would Yharim let the Gods wait? 
high lynx
I suppose it only applies if terrarians have a similar lifespan to humans
pliant ruin
Because yharim sorta killed them before they could wait
high lynx
But yharim is over 80
split mortar
Just do a slime god or providence and run
high lynx
An 80 year old human is basically dead
high lynx
Especially statistically
high lynx
Yeah
frank dune
Yeah and providence really likes death
Why dont provi kill herself?
dusk laurel
isn't he in his physical prime rn
high lynx
Like 20 people ever have lived that long
spare pier
Yharim is 130, more or less
pliant ruin
Because she needs to kill t he other people first
dusk laurel
like he is old, but he can still do a lot
pliant ruin
Like 20 people ever have lived that long
yeah
high lynx
Bro is older than the oldest human
split mortar
Why dont provi kill herself?
Because she wants to kill all life so they don’t suffer aswell
She’s “””””””””benevolent””””””””” like that
high lynx
My guess is terrarians live longer
spare pier
Yharim is so old and still retains so much of his vitality due to some inate properties of the dragon he is attuned to, in my personal opinion
Like, this is why Yharim lived so long and still is so strong
high lynx
Else calamitas is also quite old i think
spare pier
He is attuned to the Dragon of Rebirth
high lynx
When did scal join
high lynx
He is attuned to the *Dragon of Rebirth*
That was my other theory
split mortar
Like 15 years ago ish
dusk laurel
like around 20 years ago
high lynx
I just know its post draedon joining
dusk laurel
cal joined when she was like an early teenager
split mortar
She is one of the last to join
indigo glade
When did scal join
Over ten years ago. Probably around twelve to fifteen years ago.
dusk laurel
I just know its post draedon joining
draedon was like one of the first to join yharim
split mortar
Oh yeah Rebecca I have a question aswell
Who joined last? Dog or scal
dusk laurel
perma probably did join earlier tho
high lynx
Right hand man
spare pier
Oh yeah Rebecca I have a question aswell
Who joined last? Dog or scal
Not saying
high lynx
Draedon was a myth
split mortar
Yeah draedon and perma were quite early
Perma was probably earlier then drae I think
split mortar
Not saying
Oh ok
high lynx
Draedon joined after perma 100%
Im pretty sure perma joined pre crusade
And draedon joined after it started
Idk how long 5-10 years i think
indigo glade
It is stated that Permafrost helped with the "original conquests" which can be interpretated as the attack on the tyrannical and greedy gods.
split mortar
Drae joined after azafure sided with yharim I’m pretty sure
high lynx
At which point he was a myth still
cosmic zenith
Oh yeah Rebecca I have a question aswell
Who joined last? Dog or scal
Who do you guess? It's not too hard
high lynx
Micheal jackson pfp nice
split mortar
Who do you guess? It's not too hard
I’m asking more so because I have seen others say dog after scal
high lynx
I love that series
split mortar
I think dog then scal
high lynx
I have a full box set
cosmic zenith
There isn't an official answer yet, everything people say is speculation
high lynx
I think dog then scal
When was distortion?
dusk laurel
?
high lynx
When did it appear
dusk laurel
distortion is older than terraria in cal lore
indigo glade
"crowned by many as king of the skies" Who is doing that? Do people still live in Chrysadia?
Or perhaps visit there?
split mortar
To my knowledge it’s a alternate reality and so is like as old as the normal world
high lynx
Lemme find it
high lynx
To my knowledge it’s a alternate reality and so is like as old as the normal wor...
I mean the portal
split mortar
Oh ceaseless
indigo glade
Ceaseless Void? Very old.
dusk laurel
didn't it appear
split mortar
To god knows how old
dusk laurel
in the draconic era
split mortar
Ima re read the ceaseless lore
indigo glade
Doesn't have bestiary.
high lynx
split mortar
split mortar
Oh I thought you were saying I was wrong
brave dew
Guys can slime god technically come back and fight us again later in the game ?
brave dew
Omg
split mortar
And dies
brave dew
Bruh
brave dew
But qs only has some sort of crystal its not the slime god
dusk laurel
it is
split mortar
The crystal is slime god iirc
dusk laurel
read the lore whisper
high lynx
This is what i was looking for
split mortar
Slime god lost a fight to queen slime
brave dew
B-but slime god come back 
split mortar
And got stuck inside
brave dew
Slime god lost a fight to queen slime
Bro what kind of fucking idiot is this slime god
dusk laurel
weakest god we know of.
brave dew
He gets stuck in another slime
high lynx
This is what i was looking for
I bet you the order is ever so slightly important
split mortar
That slime has like 30 other gods fighting for control over it due to being made of hallowed
brave dew
So disappointing
split mortar
So disappointing
There is hunt of the old god addon if that fits your fancy
high lynx
Goozma
brave dew
Oh yeah i forgot about that
split mortar
Idk hunt lore but pretty sure it’s slime god
brave dew
I guess he's kinda cool he better be an actual slime god
high lynx
What about that one removed boss
split mortar
:(
brave dew
But i like slimes : (
high lynx
What was he called
brave dew
Astrageldon
high lynx
Yeah
split mortar
From catalyst
high lynx
Wasnt he in base calamity at some point tho?
brave dew
Yeah
dusk laurel
yes
split mortar
Got upgraded into aureus
brave dew
Before he was replaced with worm
split mortar
No
brave dew
No wait
high lynx
Astrum
split mortar
Deus didn’t replace astral slime
brave dew
I meant the crab guy
split mortar
Aureus
dusk laurel
aureus
brave dew
Aureus
dusk laurel
is a drone
high lynx
Robot
brave dew
Yeah whatever same thing
dusk laurel
Yeah whatever same thing
brave dew
Lol
cosmic zenith
"crowned by many as king of the skies" Who is doing that? Do people still live i...
Not literally crowned
"Crowned" as in acknowledged
And Weaver is undeniably the most powerful creature living in the skies
dusk laurel
Not the in game ones
?
dusk laurel
lore whisper
brave dew
Oh
scenic olive
how come we didnt come across Storm Weaver pre hm
dusk laurel
probably too high up i imagine
split mortar
Uhhh
Because we would get nuked if we did
empty dew
Amidias’ pet, Duke Fishron
Is this still real?
split mortar
Don’t think so
dusk laurel
old lore iirc
split mortar
Cause duke is now the strongest fishron recorded other then old duke
empty dew
Fair enough (it is, indeed, from the doc about old lore)
Just sounds funny
indigo glade
Not literally crowned
"Crowned" as in acknowledged
I do know it isn't literal. My question stems from knowing who is actively spreading the word of Storm Weaver's existence, considering he only lives in the sky, which would imply someone, or perhaps multiple people since it is specifically acknowledged to be "crowned" by multiple people, has gone to the sky, such as on the Planetoids or into Chrysadia.
scenic olive
Draedon ig
cosmic zenith
There are still people from Chrysadia left, though they are far fewer and nomadic
dusk laurel
so kinda like the mayans in a way
cosmic zenith
There's probably sky pirates, as referenced by the Steampunker and shown by those big airships in the background
dusk laurel
they had a civilization, but when the main states collapsed they retreated to the unurbanized terrain
indigo glade
There's probably sky pirates, as referenced by the Steampunker and shown by thos...
Flying Dutchman, too.
split mortar
The sky pirate thing from vanilla canon? Yay
frank dune
I do know it isn't literal. My question stems from knowing who is actively sprea...
Id like to have weaver as pet tbh
dusk laurel
rev/master pets [yes, they are planned to be made]:
frank dune
rev/master pets [yes, they are planned to be made]:
Then?
We do t really know which update
Might be sso
high lynx
Like where did he find this ??
Lore doc
frank dune
Might be distortion
frank dune
Might be distortion
Who knows
frank dune
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DgyreCi8fGco8QiFhKHH8rIo_wHplhthdq08ro_SK9o/...
Imagine zip bomb
high lynx
Is that thing fully up to date?
indigo glade
It has all in game sources, yes.
split mortar
Is that thing fully up to date?
Yes
high lynx
K
split mortar
It has all lore that is 100% in game and usable
dusk laurel
Who knows
exactly, which is why i said planned and not any specific update
remember, calamity doesn't do deadlines or release dates
high lynx
It has all lore that is 100% in game and usable
Great
dusk laurel
i imagine they will all come in the same update however
frank dune
i imagine they will all come in the same update however
I think it will be after all planned bosses reworks tbh