#lore-discussion

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high lynx
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some might say yharim is a god

dusk laurel
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who?

pliant ruin
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yeah but that's not the actual definition of it

dusk laurel
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he'd kill them for that

high lynx
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not in the universe

rotund shore
pliant ruin
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like i can call a trex a lion

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but that dosent make it a lion

dry igloo
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Then how'd he get the Auric soul, that seems like something deliberate.

pliant ruin
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But like

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there's no actual

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context

high lynx
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i think gods and auric gods should be classified differently

pliant ruin
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behind what happened

cloud ibex
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for all we know zeratros could've given it away willingly

mighty zenith
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yeah

pliant ruin
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Did Zeratros let him do it? Did he do it out of malice? Was it out of desperation?

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We quite literally do not know

high lynx
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like dragons offshoots and true auric dragons

dry igloo
pliant ruin
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shouldn't

high lynx
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why not

pliant ruin
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because "non auric gods"

cloud ibex
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a while back i had a theory that the reason xeroc and silva got perfect ascensions is that their dragons gave away their souls willingly

pliant ruin
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isn't an actual group of beings

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it's just

high lynx
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what is astrum deus

pliant ruin
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deus is called a god haha metaphor

split mortar
pliant ruin
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he's not

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part of a group

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called "non auric gods"

dusk laurel
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deus might be an animal

pliant ruin
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he's just treated as such by people who worship it

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again

high lynx
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just gods

dusk laurel
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just a space worm

mighty zenith
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deus is just a random animal people started worshipping

pliant ruin
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i can call

high lynx
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no need for non auric

pliant ruin
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a trex

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a lion

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but that dosent make

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the trex a lion

dry igloo
high lynx
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i dont call wyverns non auric dragons

pliant ruin
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yes but still

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thats just

mighty zenith
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i can start worshipping a bucket
that doesnt make the bucket a god

pliant ruin
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semantics

high lynx
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i just dont say auric dragon

pliant ruin
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my point stands

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we dont need to

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classify ''gods" and "auric gods" as separate

high lynx
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my point is its all about a single word

pliant ruin
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because "gods" arent a thing

indigo glade
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As a Yharim fangirl, I am not liking how this entire chat is perpretrating defamation against Yharim.

pliant ruin
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its just auric gods

high lynx
dusk laurel
high lynx
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gods arent a thing

pliant ruin
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can you

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actually

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stop

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;-;

high lynx
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ok

frank dune
frank dune
split mortar
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Auric gods are what god means in calamity like how Cthulhu means great beast in calamity

dry igloo
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Honestly, as a DM I could see how just a bit of twisting of the story could turn Yharim into a "hero"
Though the truth could be more fun to run in a campaign.

high lynx
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i just like to think that we mortal beings are not the most powerful things in existence

pliant ruin
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yeah but we osrt of are

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in the cal universe

high lynx
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until proven otherwise

split mortar
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Xeroc was said to be close or at the limit things can reach

pliant ruin
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if you want to make some fanfiction or headcanon something go ahead

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but like

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in the actual canon

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there is no allpowerful godlike entity

high lynx
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always a bigger fish in the pond as they say

pliant ruin
split mortar
pliant ruin
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This was literally stated

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by the devs

cloud ibex
pliant ruin
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there won't be anything stronger than xeroc

high lynx
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cool

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close

pliant ruin
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are you being

high lynx
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not the limit

pliant ruin
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ok i'm gonna

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bye

high lynx
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bye

frank dune
dusk laurel
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bye cheese

dusk laurel
pliant ruin
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terrarian also won't be stronger than xeroc

dry igloo
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I gotta ask something though.

Would Xeroc win against the Moon Lord when he was at his prime, before the Auric dragons fought him?

pliant ruin
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ok now bye

dusk laurel
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bye cheese

cloud ibex
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iirc yes

frank dune
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Bye bye

dusk laurel
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safe travels

high lynx
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i think ive done something bad

dry igloo
high lynx
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ive made cheese mad

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im sorry cheese

pliant ruin
split mortar
split mortar
dry igloo
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(Oh, your name is cheese, not scoog, whoops.)

dry igloo
high lynx
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also how big is terraria universe

dusk laurel
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we don't know

split mortar
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In calamity we don’t know

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It could be galaxy sized or bigger then ours

dry igloo
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Though I'm curious, how does a mortal absorbing an Auric soul make them stronger then a dragon with an Auric soul.

split mortar
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But we do know there are other dimension distortion)

high lynx
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and what says xeroc is one of the strongest things that can ever exist in all of time

dusk laurel
split mortar
dusk laurel
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xeroc for instance was already strong

high lynx
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until the heat death of the universe

dusk laurel
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similar to yharon iirc

split mortar
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Plus there may be some multiplicative stuff who knows

cloud ibex
dusk laurel
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in terms of power

high lynx
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but do they mean right now

dry igloo
high lynx
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because eventually xeroc cannot exist

cloud ibex
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personally i imagine if there are beings more powerful than xeroc they aren't relevant enough to the story for us to ever hear about them

high lynx
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exactly

dusk laurel
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where did fovos come from

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is he a small one?

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or a big one?

high lynx
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we only know this universes power cap according to the veiwpoint of the story

dusk laurel
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we may never know

frank dune
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I mean

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Imagine twist of creator of universe was behind this all

dry igloo
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I suppose the reason I ask is because it took all the Auric Dragons (and maybe the dryads) to just weaken the Moonlord and seal him away.

So how would just Xeroc with one Auric soul be able to defeat Moonlord at his prime.

Heck, for all we know, there are other beings like Moonlord beyond the stars, maybe even stronger.

split mortar
dusk laurel
frank dune
split mortar
high lynx
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even the universe outside of what we know about could have a different powercap

frank dune
split mortar
cloud ibex
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yeah i was about to say

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good starting point, the strongest auric soul, perfectly ascended and just kept working to get stronger

high lynx
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props to the calamity writers but writing an entire universe is like spending your entire life trying to find a needle in a nigh infinite haystack

cloud ibex
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meanwhile most other gods took however powerful they were immediately upon ascending as pretty much their peak

high lynx
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even the large amount of lore we have now is reletively little compared to, say, human history

split mortar
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Yeah

dusk laurel
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yep

high lynx
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and thus the conundrum of knowledge

split mortar
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(We will get multiple times the current lore with big updates, but yeah calamity won’t ever be that big sadly)

high lynx
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we know so much and yet time changes everything

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time and space

dry igloo
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I really like the universe Calamity had made

high lynx
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i do too

split mortar
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This will always be the case though

The_Terrarians_Lore_is_up_to_you-1.png
split mortar
high lynx
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but it will never be 100% complete

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they wont write about mr.smith who got killed by yharim when he was attending mass or something

dry igloo
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So Melon, you mentioned someone made a Calamity DnD campaign?
How did that go, and how different was the story to the offical lore?

dry igloo
high lynx
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maybe calamity lore lovers will all be historians in 11 years when the mod is complete

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that'd be kinda poetic

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im not gonna be a historian

split mortar
mighty zenith
split mortar
high lynx
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yharon

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what is noxus

split mortar
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Oh what

high lynx
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primordial light?

dry igloo
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Well, that's amusing, two of those aren't "gods"

split mortar
high lynx
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but is he human

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/terrarian

split mortar
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About as alien as dog

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If not more

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It’s from the distortion

high lynx
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ok

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i get why people would accidentally call him a god, being a extremely powerful being worthy of praise and worship

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but hey

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is not

split mortar
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The guy may also have a entire planet atleast in a hivemind

high lynx
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god is just a word to make things make sense for us

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most things are that way

split mortar
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It’s also likely using god essence for its own purposes (we don’t know though)

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Since dog actively seeks god essence

high lynx
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is that where it goes?

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interesting theory

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hmmmm

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i like it

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oh also auric is a real word

dry igloo
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As cool as Yharim is, I don't know if I could properly play him as a DnD character, he seems more like a NPC level character considering his lore.

That, and even with the Drakewarden subclass, Yharon would be drasticly weakened.

split mortar
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Well draedon theorises it and also states soul/essence obeys the laws of thermodynamics (normal energy and matter don’t) ski view it as more so hinting from the lore writers

dry igloo
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Heck, you can't ride him and fly until level 15.

dry igloo
high lynx
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i've considered storyboarding a calamity anime (im not good enough of an animator yet) and the only person i found as a fit for main character is calamitas

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she has a story arc

split mortar
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Why not use the player character? You can make them whatever you need for a good story

split mortar
high lynx
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and it'd be better for people who dont really know the lore

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it'd include most of the main players

dry igloo
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Calamitas in a slice of life anime, getting use to the peace while the Terrarian murders powerful beings in the background.

Not because Yharim told him too, but just because the Terraria is the human equivilant to a human blender and wants to fight strong things.

high lynx
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i was thinking more a calamitas history

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like when she was in yharims court or whatever

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and when she trains with permafrost

split mortar
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Oh yeah have you heard of Rebecca’s OC calamari? They seem interesting

Probably ask her about it next time she is active here

split mortar
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Would also be nice to explain to new people

high lynx
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and when yharim tells her to kill permafrost

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then the thing ends with her leaving the crusade and maybe it foreshadows the player summoning her at the end

high lynx
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and her story is the most "relatable" of them

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shes a teen at the start

split mortar
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And she also doesn’t get nuked or gets trapped for a decade

high lynx
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and not a psycho killer

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well

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wait

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not yharim levels of psycho killer

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and not draedon levels of unemotional

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and player character is a blank slate not everybody could agree upon

split mortar
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Yeah so she likely best to pick

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Perma seems to already have everything sorted out himself

high lynx
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so calamitas is the best fit for a 15 minute ish thing i would make alone as a passion project for fun

split mortar
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Yeah

high lynx
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good practice yknow

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who knows maybe i do it before the mod is done

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depends on if i have too many other school related things going on

split mortar
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Good luck with that

high lynx
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im not ready to commit to a time consuming project like that rn, but i will definitely keep this discord informed if i decide to start

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speaking of starting things i should start working on stuff

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buh bye lore chat

split mortar
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Bye bye dboss

pliant ruin
# high lynx ive made cheese mad

nu its ok
wasnt rly mad more so i just got overtly stressed over another argument and i realized i was getting mad and i was like "uh oh" and decided to back off
life's been rly stressful lately so i'm srry abt that

high lynx
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I get that

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#relatable

wheat walrus
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the ocean is already molten you silly

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it becomes vapor

dusk laurel
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so silly...

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silly month

high lynx
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spoogy month

crude lion
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I have a question about power scaling. are item descriptions canon.

dusk laurel
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usually not

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probably not iirc

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since some are just lies and hyperboles

crude lion
dusk laurel
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welll

wheat walrus
dusk laurel
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omni...

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please don't XD

wheat walrus
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yea

crude lion
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hol up, did i miss something?

dusk laurel
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miss what?

wheat walrus
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I'm usually considered the powerscaling guy, I made the original powerscaling doc thing that compiles a whole list of things and scaling, and I've shared it around like drug and I should remake it, but idk recently I've been lowkey burnt out from powerscaling stuff I think

dusk laurel
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his inner monster hunter took control during the weakening of the powerscaling

hushed geyser
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Please cabba

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I need this

wheat walrus
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I'm not powerscaling dragon ball for shit

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I just know that this argument started because DBS supposedly has crazy powercreep and better feats that DBGT, somehow making frickin Cabba arguably stronger than Gogeta SSJ4

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but idk

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I've seen arguments for both

wheat walrus
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I started lancing around the new world :3

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I just finished massacring Nergigante several times to make clothes out of its bones and skin and flesh

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and ig it's time to massacre even its own food

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the elder dragons...

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bie

spring helm
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Ssj4 Gogeta vs base Cabba

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No funking clue tbh

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DBGT doesn’t have concrete enough feats

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Either would put up a decent fight I figure

dusk laurel
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all that i know about dragon ball is like goku, vegeta, frieza and the "dragon balls"

wheat walrus
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pls don't discuss this here that'd be goofy 3:

wheat walrus
dusk laurel
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absolute terror.

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this is nightmare fuel.

hushed geyser
hushed geyser
spring helm
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Okay

hushed geyser
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Meaning gogeta is like

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Multiversal

spring helm
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Are the movies canon for dbs too

hushed geyser
spring helm
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Okay

hushed geyser
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The z movies are strictly non canon in dbs

spring helm
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one punch from BoG ssjg goku was shaking the universe

Assuming that he fully integrated that power into base by RoF, does that make ssjb goku at that point multiversal?

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@wheat walrus I’m pulling you into this discussion

hushed geyser
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Botg isn't canon for gt

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Only the z movies

spring helm
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Yeah I know

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This is to scale cabba

hushed geyser
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Cabba is unironically like high universal

spring helm
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BoG is a z movie

hushed geyser
spring helm
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get z broly past ssj2 gohan

hushed geyser
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Get z broly past imperfect cell

spring helm
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ah whatever i'll just say Gogeta wins since he's cooler

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back to calamity lore

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Statis

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what's he up to now

pliant ruin
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alcoholism because he misses his husband

spring helm
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Statis: "Oh Keeper of Balance, I have returned from the Distortion. Unfortunately, my partner Braelor was left behind. Can you help in any way?"

Slime God: "..."

Statis: "Truly, your wisdom knows no bounds."

hushed geyser
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You're kind of too strong

spring helm
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why

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oh

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lmao

hushed geyser
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My fans are struggling to bakc me up

spring helm
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isnt this a bleach panel

hushed geyser
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Yep

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Get gogeta back from soul society arc ichigo

spring helm
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dangai ichigo about to make centuries of planning go poof by the power of
i trained for 6 months

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So for my fanfic I had Braelor break the Biome Blade against Yharim in their fight

After Statis escapes the Distortion he goes into a bit of a depressive period because, you know. Then after getting a prosthetic arm and leg he goes and collects the broken remnant of the Biome Blade to keep as a memento.

In comes the Terrarian a year later. "Give me the sword."
Cue Statis quests.

dusk laurel
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where his axe

spring helm
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in the distortion

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he was holding it when DoG swallowed him

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okay maybe i shouldnt phrase it like that

dusk laurel
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what

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it's fine

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i'm not too rotted

hushed geyser
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Yeah I'm rotted like that

spring helm
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go to distortion
find Braelor
"Are you here to break me out? Finally, I've been waiting for a year!"
"Give me your axe."

dusk laurel
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classic terrarian.

spring helm
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Me watching the ninja throw a nuclear bomb at his assassination target (it's a rogue weapon so it must be stealthy):

dusk laurel
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i love stealth

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[i have never played rogue]

spring helm
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it requires patience

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which i do not have

dusk laurel
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i like my mage

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(mana rework in 20 fargillion years)

spring helm
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i like melee

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big fucking sword go

dusk laurel
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hmmr

spring helm
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yes, and hammer too

dusk laurel
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melee is cool

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but i have an easier time while playing it

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so i have to raise the difficulty to death

spring helm
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i love biome blade

image.png
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loring my sword right now

dusk laurel
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what about true biome blade

spring helm
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🫵

dusk laurel
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bwah???

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i am the TBB???

spring helm
hushed geyser
sinful adder
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I still think rogue shouldn't have existed

pliant ruin
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we shouldve gotten the bomb class instead that is like rogue but with only bombs because i love exploding things

sinful adder
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Yes, it has some unique mechanics, but most of the things it has should have just been a ranger or melee subclass

pliant ruin
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here's the thing

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everything is a ranger copy if you squint hard enough :p

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class identity isn't real

sinful adder
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It can be made real

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Ranger already has a stealth mechanic that is used occasionally

pliant ruin
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like, rogue is just ranger but with stealth
mage is just ranger but with mana
ranger is just ranger but with ammo
melee.... melee is just ranger

dusk laurel
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summoner

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has range

sinful adder
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Make all the thrown stuff be ranger, except for boomerangs because silly vanilla

dusk laurel
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so it's ranger

sinful adder
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The difference is thematic more than gameplay

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Ammo and mana are simple, small differences, but they're enough

spring helm
glacial rampart
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xbx back again with more wack ass takes

sinful adder
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How is this wacky?

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Calamity devs put all their game design effort into making one cool edgy class that works, at the cost of taking away all the options that could have been built on from two other classes

hushed geyser
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Somebody dislikes rogue

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Opinion invalidated

sinful adder
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If course I do

hushed geyser
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Ew

spring helm
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wtf

hushed geyser
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Mid ass take

spring helm
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bro what is that image

hushed geyser
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Ez

sinful adder
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Ranger has to stay boring because it can't have stealth anymore. Melee has to stay boring because it has to be swords and flails only, rogue gets the boomerangs unless you're early game

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It's like a leech sucking up all the good game design

hushed geyser
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Wah wah wah

sinful adder
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Yes, I know why these decisions were made, I just think these are stupid ass decisions

hushed geyser
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Mid take

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Throw tomatoes at this man

spring helm
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since the wulfrum prosthetic is in-lore one of the few inventions that combine magic and science, i think it would be cool if it did hybrid ranger/mage damage

hushed geyser
spring helm
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im pretty sure some weapons are already hybrid in damage type

sinful adder
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Smh I can't have a take that says something is badly designed without being insulted, unless it's something the calamity devs plan to change and make better design

indigo glade
sinful adder
spring helm
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they suck because they're hybrid or they suck because of something else

pliant ruin
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ranger never had stelath

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to begin with

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it's a mechanic for like 1 armorset and its a really shitty mechanic nobody uses

sinful adder
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Shroomite armor mechanic is called stealth

pliant ruin
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You're massively overreacting and overdramatizing this

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yes

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i know

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and its a shitty mechanic nobody cares about

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😭

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like it's literally just Stand Still to get Damage

sinful adder
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Rogue's stealth could have been given to ranger

pliant ruin
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why

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ranger already has a gimmick, it's called Different Ammo Types

sinful adder
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Because why make a new class just for one mechanic when you could make an existing class better

pliant ruin
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why add ammo to ranger

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why not juts give ammo to melee

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why add mana to mage

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why not just give mana to melee

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why have classes. just give everything to One Thing and make it Better

sinful adder
spring helm
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i dont really see how that brings down the weapon

sinful adder
pliant ruin
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rogue also makes thematic sense to have stealth

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because

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its what rogues

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are know for

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like that's the rogues entire deal

spring helm
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xbx is saying that rogue just shouldnt exist

pliant ruin
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i think you jsut have some weird beef against rogue and are failing at trying to justify it

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Like if you just Don't Like the class that's fine. But if you're gonna try to justify why it's Bad and Bad Game Design then you better have some actual valid justifications, lest you want to make yourself seem incredibly biased

eager bluff
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lorious

hushed geyser
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Think of one rogue ever

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That doesn't use stealth

spring helm
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that one guy

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the one everyone knows

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them

hushed geyser
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Who

spring helm
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you know...

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the guy

patent sail
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fucking rodrick

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dont invite him to your heist

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dude stumbles and alerts all the guards

sinful adder
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I don't think rogue is necsisarily bad game design, I just think that the effort taken to make it exist would have been far better spent making existing content better

patent sail
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never hung with him again

hushed geyser
sinful adder
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if melee, ranger, mage, and summoner are all good and well designed and fun, then consider adding a new class

patent sail
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thats the guy from the book

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different

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often confused

sinful adder
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that's the main reason for my beef

hushed geyser
patent sail
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better than rogue rodrick

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thats for sure

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fucking idiot doesnt know what sneaking is

hushed geyser
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Damn rogue rodrick must suck

patent sail
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spent 3 moons in the dungeon because of his bullshit

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trying to steal the duke's treasure

pliant ruin
sinful adder
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I disagree

pliant ruin
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at best you could argue mage has some issues

sinful adder
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mana flower needs to be removed (or at least get zero upgrades), summoner needs to be rebalanced, ranger needs more unique weapon mechanics instead of just "gun shoot more bullet"

pliant ruin
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none of these are issues with

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the actual core of the class

sinful adder
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yes

pliant ruin
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so in other words adding stealth to ranger like you suggested is fundamentally not a good way of solving it

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because thats changing the core of the class

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and thats not an issue

sinful adder
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I am salty that rogue got seemingly all the love for like 5 years

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I guess

hushed geyser
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Hater alert

dusk laurel
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dang

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hating on ranger+ ?

scenic olive
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rogue is no longer the favourite child

dusk laurel
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mage should become the favorite child tbh

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everyone else has had it good for too long

hushed geyser
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Rogue should stay the favorite

scenic olive
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Nah

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Rogue was peaking

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Its others turn

hushed geyser
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Mid opinion detected

dusk laurel
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rogue needs to fall

scenic olive
hushed geyser
scenic olive
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Wdymn

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Rogue aready fell off

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Its all started with the orichalcum nerf

dusk laurel
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rogue peaked when scarlet devil did 20000 damage

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then it got nerfed to 8000, then rebalanced to 10000

scenic olive
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actual braindead weapon

dusk laurel
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how did

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post-wof weapon

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last until DoG

scenic olive
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Cobalt kunai used to do a lot of damage

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with the mooncrown thing

spring helm
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buff the biome blade line please and thank you

dusk laurel
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okay

scenic olive
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now its actually a good a balanced weapon that can only be used pre twins

dusk laurel
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so AotC buff...

scenic olive
dusk laurel
spring helm
scenic olive
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Aotc needs a buff

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faster swing/cycle wouldve been nice

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the homing projectile sucks ass

dusk laurel
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doesn't it already

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outclass exoblade

scenic olive
#

wait did they buffed it alr

spring helm
#

lmao no

dusk laurel
spring helm
#

they should buff the secondary ability of the ark line

scenic olive
#

Also the space rip thing

#

Yes that

spring helm
#

because one stronger attack that can miss is not worth compared to 10 stronger attacks

dusk laurel
spring helm
#

they should add the "let go of m1 at the right time during the combo and get some charge" back

scenic olive
spring helm
#

actually encourages paying attention to your sword's combo and not just holding m1 constantly

scenic olive
#

Does parry mechanic needs any change

dusk laurel
#

they should buff dragon rage clueless

scenic olive
#

does people actually use parry

spring helm
spring helm
scenic olive
dusk laurel
#

never with AotC

scenic olive
#

i wish broken biome blade can parry

spring helm
#

they shou;d make the big rip actually look like a rip in space-time instead of a yellow straight line

spring helm
dusk laurel
#

dementia gaming

scenic olive
spring helm
dusk laurel
#

no way

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we could save zeratros

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and keep xeroc employed

#

no, i will not mention a certain payment people have to make

viral juniper
dusk laurel
#

yes... that was exactly what i was referring to!

spring helm
#

I’m imagining ichigo going bankai for the first time but it’s the Terrarian using the Big Rip

dusk laurel
#

what is ichigo and why did it ban kai?

spring helm
#

You see he was fighting this guy called Byakuya “Kai” Kuchiki

scenic olive
spring helm
#

And he was losing

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So he needed to access the server controls and just ban him

spring helm
#

After an entire arc of building up

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An entire journey of creating the sword

#

IT’S JUST GONE

dusk laurel
#

zeratros ta-

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💥

unreal belfry
#

ive come to make an announcement. zeratros is a bitch ass motherfucker. he stole my fuckin scissors

spring helm
#

Fovos is a bitch ass motherfucker

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He stole my auric fuckin soul

dusk laurel
#

fovos killed my dad

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and sold his auric soul

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completely unforgivable, i feel just in killing any space creature now (they are all the same trust)

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aureuscide, now we wait

scenic olive
#

Auricide

latent bolt
scenic olive
#

Xeroc destroy my enemies and my soul is yours

wheat walrus
#

bomba

scenic olive
frank dune
#

Hello lore chat

#

What were theorising about today

spring helm
#

there was a bit of a disagreement on whether the rogue class should exist

sudden ruin
#

it should

spring helm
#

also if the Ark of the Cosmos is able to rip the fabric of space-time, could you theoretically use it to time travel

spring helm
sudden ruin
#

stealth strikes are lovely

scenic olive
spring helm
#

by disagreement it was just xbxbxb123 not liking rogue and the others not agreeing

scenic olive
frank dune
#

Truly a lore chag

#

What jf noxus doesnt exist

#

Its just schizophrenia like entity

scenic olive
#

Id like to think that Noxus is an Elemental

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The Elemental of void itself

#

Ive noticed something about elementals

#

their strength usually correlates to how much element are present around the area

#

Like the main part of cloud elemental are probably really powerful

frank dune
#

So noxus aint god as we know

scenic olive
#

yes

frank dune
#

That's it ig

scenic olive
#

I suspect hes an elemental

gritty dawn
#

noxus is actually yharon

frank dune
scenic olive
#

I genuinely think

frank dune
#

What about ceaseless tbh

scenic olive
#

if anahita+levi were to fight cloud elemental they would lose

frank dune
#

Bro just appeared in dungeon one day?

scenic olive
frank dune
#

Ik

scenic olive
#

Yuh uh

#

honestly its mostly the dragon cult secret as to how they got it there

frank dune
#

Tbh i feel like drwgon cult needs to be reworked

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Like remove ml from tablet and add dragon there ig

#

+mask for cultist change

scenic olive
frank dune
#

Then cultists are dancing at dungeon

scenic olive
#

but theyre carried from the vanilla

frank dune
#

Ik

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But maybe change

scenic olive
#

its gonna be questionable to change them

frank dune
#

What if noxus told ml to attack

scenic olive
#

If noxus has anything to do with fovos they wouldve had fought each other

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Fovos was like

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strong

#

Stronger than Yharim and Scal

#

it would be a close fight between Fovos and Noxus

frank dune
#

I mean

#

Whats ml motivation then

#

Bri just randomly attacked and thats it

scenic olive
#

bro hungry

#

Speculation

#

Fovos was looking for Planets to devour their essence

#

hes looking not just any planet

#

but planets with the world soul

#

since the world soul was shattered by the dragon he attacked the dragons first

#

There is a theory that the four Pillars is what was left after a world invasion by fovos

frank dune
#

I kinda think pillars are leftovers of o other races

#

Somewhat last force to protect seal

scenic olive
#

Funny thing is that there could be more Alien kind like Fovos out there and probably has invaded countless more world than Fovos himself

#

Probably even stronger threats

fiery meadow
#

Is the Guide from Azafure?
Idk if there’s a lore reason for why the Guide in Cal must specifically die to awaken the WoF

#

It’d be cool world building if he was

calm patio
#

hes not from there

scenic olive
#

ultimately what Xeroc fears

fiery meadow
#

Damn
Creativity ended at sharks with arms

scenic olive
#

and probably what he think after his last conversation with Zeratros

#

After obtaining Zeratros Soul and ascended into godhood he vowed to protect Terraria from threats like Fovos but in turn never interfere with what is happening on the Planets surface.

#

If this Theory was correct then Zeratros most likely gave up his auric soul willingly

#

and now that i think about it had Xeroc interfere with what was happening he probably outright ended Yharim crusade before it even starts

frank dune
#

What do we know about zeratros tbh?

#

Was he kind

#

Rude?

split mortar
#

Most likely kind imo

frank dune
#

Same

real silo
#

Maybe a lil lazy

frank dune
#

Probably he wouldve give soul

#

Sounds fine to me

#

Randon monk prob couldnt kill most powerful dragon imo

real silo
#

Said random monk is also strong as hell

#

(and blessed by said dragon)

split mortar
#

Xeroc was like as strong as yharon from dev quotes (granted it was a weaker yharon but still second strongest dragon)

#

But yeah I do think Zeratros did agree to ascending xeroc

frank dune
#

Tbh id imagine Zeratros personality smth like asgore from ut

frank dune
#

And it technically wasnt xerocs fault

#

Didnt xeroc lost some of his soul then?

#

I mean aint then ya consume drag soul you lose part of yourself

real silo
#

Maybe but xeroc's ascension is also perfect

split mortar
#

Probably

Though I don’t think it’s much and only really starts being noticeable with two or three consumed souls

real silo
#

so maybe he didn't lose as much as other gods

frank dune
#

I am sure then she was a human she didn't wanted to burn world

#

Or maybe different souls have different effects

split mortar
#

I do think absorbing the dragon may have made her more nihilistic

frank dune
#

Maybe it somewhat depends

#

Like if dragon gave soul willingly it has no effect

#

If dragon was fighting for his Life then it has very hard effect

#

Just a thery

split mortar
#

Yeah I could see why

#

Hope we learn more in sunken sea update

cloud ibex
#

maybe it's like

#

the personality of the dragon is what affects the personality of the god because they get merged

#

xeroc and zeratros might've been pretty similar in personality, being generally kind and focused on protecting the world

frank dune
#

I got an idea

#

If dragon was fighting for life last thought might do smth with their soul

cloud ibex
#

meanwhile the dragon of flame was an asshole dickhead piece of shit dragon, so even if prov wasn't evil before, upon merging with the soul of flame she became an asshole dickhead piece of shit goddess

frank dune
#

Like i am sure drago who was killed by provi was filled wuth hate

#

At last moment

frank dune
#

Dragon of flames?

#

Aint thats yharon

#

Aint that should be holy dragon or idk

split mortar
#

Flames is providence dragon

cloud ibex
#

no yharon is Rebirth

split mortar
#

Yharon is rebirth

cloud ibex
#

he just coincidentally also uses fire in his attacks

#

his domain isn't exactly very combat oriented

split mortar
#

(But yharon likely did have stronger fire for some reasonXD )

split mortar
frank dune
#

There are like holy

#

Dragonfire

real silo
#

Auric flames

frank dune
#

And god slayer inferno

real silo
#

I hope god slayer inferno dies in a ditch

split mortar
#

I heard the lasers will when the overhaul happens

#

So hopefully the fire does

frank dune
#

No more lasers

#

?

split mortar
#

Yeah I heard that will happen when the dog overhaul happens

frank dune
#

Imagine reworked infernum dog

real silo
#

Not happening

frank dune
split mortar
#

Infernum uses a different sprite so it won’t change infernum

frank dune
#

I feel sad about infernum not getting new update

#

Someone should make infernum overhaul idk

split mortar
#

They did do every boss, so only yharim won’t get one (maybe noxus and xeroc too but they’re not garunteed)

frank dune
#

But i mean upcoming boss reworks

split mortar
cloud ibex
frank dune
cloud ibex
#

i think she's still the owner of the mod

frank dune
#

Idk then

#

Infernu re-infernumed

#

Or idk

#

Back from Ashes

#

Why cal clone looks like eoc tho

cloud ibex
#

ancient sprite (tm)

split mortar
#

Because they haven’t got a resprite

frank dune
#

Was there lore reasons tho?

split mortar
#

Supreme calamitas used to look like eye aswell

cloud ibex
#

something something failed clone i'd guess

split mortar
frank dune
split mortar
#

In old lore

cloud ibex
#

SCal was an eye so the clone was an eye

#

she was gonna get a redesign to look like a fucked up humanoid attached to a mishmash of machinery from her cloning machine and necromancy

#

it was scrapped but they might still be going in a similar direction

untold oracle
#

Good mornen lorers

frank dune
#

Were loring

hardy flower
#

hallo

frank dune
#

GooOdByE

gritty dawn
#

is yharon evil ( i never calamitied )

frank dune
#

No

split mortar
gritty dawn
split mortar
#

Idk I’m not a politic mechanic

frank dune
split mortar
# frank dune Fr?

Well yharon actually experienced his friends and family dying and his role in society being made redundant

It’s a lot more personal for him

#

Still evil and all that but there’s some more justification then yharim

frank dune
#

Tbh

#

Why didnt gods jumped yharim idk

#

I am sure his rampage hasnt gona unnoticed

#

I am sure gods wouldve killed yharim it they'd team up

dusk laurel
#

gods

split mortar
#

Yeah but they aren’t organised

dusk laurel
#

usually don't work together much

split mortar
#

Providence wouldn’t help any other god

sinful adder
split mortar
#

I imagine experiencing the tragedy would effect someone more then hearing it

sinful adder
split mortar
sinful adder
#

He also had a huge army, Calamitas, DoG, and formerly permafrost

split mortar
#

I think they’re talking about before he was nigh undefeatable

sinful adder
#

Oh. Then maybe, but he was hella strong even then

#

And had the whole nation/city of Azafure on his side

split mortar
#

And that was early on

untold oracle
#

I’m pretty sure providence would’ve obliterated Yharim in the early phases

split mortar
#

Since wof has 90% of the gods before dog came along

untold oracle
#

But the gods didn’t realize the threat before it was too late

split mortar
#

Yeah

untold oracle
#

And gods wouldn’t team up

#

They literally compete for worship points

split mortar
#

Like some may have teamed up but not like more then five I imagine

frank dune
#

But still imagine how funny its would be if gods jumped yharim

split mortar
#

Yeah it is funny to imagine

frank dune
#

Come to aerie yharim we wont jump you

dusk laurel
#

i imagine providence would try to kill everyone if they do

#

and then infighting would just ruin the plan

split mortar
#

Yeah providence might just jump the gods jumping yharim

dusk laurel
#

also

#

the gods have their own followers to protect

untold oracle
#

Provi is the problem child

dusk laurel
#

not all of them can just chase yharim

untold oracle
#

She needs a timeout

#

Would Yharim ever in any case team up with a god if it gave him insane advantage over other gods

dusk laurel
#

no.

split mortar
#

No

dusk laurel
#

yharim would rather kill himself than associate with any deity

split mortar
#

^

frank dune
#

Tbh yharim needs more morale imo

dusk laurel
#

since he would probably explode himself if someone were to preform the ritual

untold oracle
#

You could say he feels above himself

dusk laurel
#

he has way too much charisma

#

why do you think it lasted so long before calamitas?

frank dune
#

I mean by judging gods depending on yk

frank dune
dusk laurel
#

he doesn't care

#

"all gods are sinners" or smth

frank dune
#

I am sure of gods prob just accidentally stumbled upon soul

sinful adder
#

He hates all gods, because he loves dragons and all the gods killed a dragon

split mortar
dusk laurel
sinful adder
dusk laurel
#

iirc

sinful adder
#

No, I think it's more that some dragons were evil and so the gods that killed them were justified

dusk laurel
#

yeag

#

probably didn't help that zeratros was gone

#

they didn't have to "protect" the world anymore

frank dune
dusk laurel
#

girl

#

byeah

frank dune
#

Mb

dusk laurel
#

goddess of electricity

#

it's all good

#

we only know of like 2 female gods iirc

split mortar
#

Silva?

frank dune
#

Providence isnt female?

dusk laurel
#

oh yeah

split mortar
#

She is

dusk laurel
#

3 then

split mortar
#

We know 3

frank dune
#

What about sg

dusk laurel
#

we don't know

#

all we see is the purified gel core

untold oracle
#

Slime god is a blob

split mortar
#

Granted we know only a few gods actual gender I’m pretty sure

frank dune
#

Ravager was prob a male

dusk laurel
#

we can go by their titles

frank dune
#

Xeroc too

dusk laurel
#

most were called "god"

#

not "goddess"

sleek halo
#

random thing

untold oracle
#

Is Yharim completely retired at the time you play or would he fight a god if he got a chance

sleek halo
#

could Draedon theoretically help Yharim slow his aging mroe

#

or even reverse it

mighty zenith
#

unless its xeroc

sinful adder
mighty zenith
#

then he prob wouldnt bother

dusk laurel
sleek halo
frank dune
#

Tbh yharim sees us as opportunity to continue rampge

sleek halo
#

Even if he knows it’s fruitless

split mortar
# frank dune Ravager was prob a male

Ravager despite being sacrifices drops blood god related things so I theories that ravager is two resurrected gods in one body hence its power (sacrifices was put below providence in a tier list of strength from a writer a few days or week ago)

mighty zenith
#

maybe if xeroc was his last option

#

then he'd try til he either won or just died

sleek halo
#

I mean he’s near the end of his life

#

and he’s already ready to give it up

mighty zenith
#

yea fair

frank dune
#

Lets goooooo

#

Beat up old man

sleek halo
dusk laurel
#

he's probably still capable of fighting

split mortar
#

He does in the yharon lore iirc

sleek halo
#

He seems like the type

sinful adder
#

I mean, yeah

frank dune
#

Yharim then stairs:

split mortar
sleek halo
#

Yeah he’s near the end of his life

frank dune
sleek halo
#

but he’s still in his physical prime

sinful adder
#

He is canonically at peak physical condition. He's never been stronger, but also knows he doesn't have long

#

Man, you all day things before I can

split mortar
#

What?

sleek halo
#

probably because the

#

attunement

split mortar
#

Attunement and Exo tech

mighty zenith
#

day

sleek halo
#

probably also helped by the fact it’s the auric dragon

#

that is tied to some type of lfie

sinful adder
#

The answer used to be because of the life fruit upgrades, but then those were renamed

sleek halo
#

that just seems like it helps him combat wise

split mortar
#

Doesn’t one age you? Elderberry?

dusk laurel
#

renamed

split mortar
#

Oh

sleek halo
#

But yk what’s crazy

split mortar
#

Thought it was just dragon fruit

sleek halo
#

it’s very

#

very likely

split mortar
sleek halo
#

Yharim is the strongest mortal

#

in all of history

split mortar
#

He is stronger then pre ascension xeroc so yeah

sleek halo
#

Like

dusk laurel
#

blood orange -> sanguine tangerine
elderberry -> tainted cloudberry
dragonfruit -> sacred strawberry

sleek halo
#

no god other than xeroc would reasonably win most fights with him

split mortar
#

(As long as we don’t count noxus as mortal, it ain’t a god)

sleek halo
frank dune
#

In question

sleek halo
#

depends on your character lore

#

soo…

sinful adder
#

Blood orange: makes your blood thick and strong.
Miracle Fruit: ???
Elderberry: Ages you to peak physical condition. Ages you forwards if you're young, backwards if you're old. Kills you if used twice regardless of age.
Dragon fruit: Gives you a little bit of auric power. Almost everyone will explode from auric rejection if they eat more than one.

sleek halo
#

notnreally XD

#

Like for Rebecca

split mortar
#

We are still weaker until we beat him I’m pretty sure

Unless you lore it otherwise

sleek halo
#

Calamari is not mortal

frank dune
sleek halo
#

lore writer

dusk laurel
#

thats a lore writer

split mortar
sleek halo
#

yeah

split mortar
#

Rebecca is a lore writer

sleek halo
#

like get an auric soul to be adapted to the

frank dune
#

Mb

sleek halo
#

auric rejection

split mortar
#

And she has a OC called calamari

And it took a lot of shit for them to kill xeroc and noxus from what I know

frank dune
dusk laurel
#

those are

split mortar
frank dune
#

Ik health uphrades

dusk laurel
sinful adder
#

Unfortunately no longer canon because they were all renamed

dusk laurel
sleek halo
sinful adder
#

But that was the explanation

dusk laurel
#

only miracle fruit remains

#

but nothing in vanilla overlaps with the name

#

so it's staying

split mortar
frank dune
split mortar
sleek halo
#

if i were to write adaptations to xeroc

#

i’d focus it on counteracting primordial light

potent moth
#

Is demonshade and all the shadowspec weapons canon

split mortar
#

Only demonshade cause that won’t be shadowspec tier eventually

sleek halo
#

and then eventually finding a way to start severing that source of power from xeroc

#

like maho going from counteracting infinity to finding creative ways to completely destroy it

potent moth
dusk laurel
#

shadowspec is getting retiered to post yharim

dusk laurel
#

he will be using auric

sleek halo
#

we use a mock attuned auric

#

it lacks auric rejection and is seemingly overall weaker

split mortar
sleek halo
#

i see

sinful adder
#

Hey the wiki doesn't have the renames yet

sleek halo
#

fucking over his main source of power

sinful adder
#

I imagine it would make more sense to adapt to become noxus 2 and eat the sun or something

sleek halo
#

i kinda just view it as

#

finding a way to rip the god part

#

out of xeroc

dusk laurel
sleek halo
#

or at least start to fuck with his soul in general

dusk laurel
#

that's because they're in SSO changelogs

sinful adder
#

Oh

#

Hm

#

When SSO

#

Been waiting like 5 years

dusk laurel
sinful adder
#

Yeah I know

sleek halo
dusk laurel
#

probably next year

sinful adder
#

I'm just

#

Ksksjfisjchebfjrhr

sleek halo
#

was that

#

a joke

sinful adder
#

Kinda

devout grotto
#

SSO?

sleek halo
#

sunken sea overhaul

dusk laurel
#

sunken sea overhaul

sleek halo
#

🐌

sinful adder
#

Sunken (and also now sulphuric) sea overhaul

dusk laurel
#

well

sinful adder
#

It's been... How long has it been since rust and dust or whatever

dusk laurel
#

it's only sulphur enemies

devout grotto
#

Ooooh I see

frank dune
#

DU then?

dusk laurel
#

not terrain gen

sleek halo
#

sso is going to be amazingn for us

#

lore wise

devout grotto
#

So true

sleek halo
#

So much

#

so fucking much

devout grotto
#

Literally only really considering writing my story after that update drops

#

As of now I'm more focused on worldbuilding

frank dune
#

Me who already doin that and have over 10 pages: XD

sleek halo
#

One of the biggest will be

#

The vanilla bestiary rewrite.

#

Like idk

dusk laurel
#

moonlord entry

sleek halo
#

Moonlord

#

every boss likelly

frank dune
dusk laurel
#

noice