lore-discussion

[hoary berry]

#calamity-addon-talk message
these are my favourites (i wrote this fairly quickly and didn't really consider other sources of info so it's not like this information is necessarily excusive to these entries but still)

also ignore that i ranted about lore in cat

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/ark-ark-survival-evolved-dance-bailar-baile-gif-22275667

nah but like

ark pvpers are horrifying

they make yharim look like a nice guy

except ark pvpers are people that exist, even if only in their house and never outside

[devout grotto]

😭

[split mortar]

Cal discord and being on topic is a rarity

[hoary berry]

lmao

[hoary berry]

true

[wheat walrus]

yea

seriously though

ark pvp is the worst thing in gaming

not only is it more time consuming than having a fulltime job

but the people in there are VICIOUS

[dusk laurel]

this is terrifying to think about

[livid bobcat]

Hey I need the current lore on lizards, the jungle temple and golem

[wheat walrus]

they'll knock you down, put you in a cage, and keep you there forever, and if you try to respawn they'll knock you down again and forcefeed you so that you stay alive

and they'll keep an eye on you for days or weeks

and that's the minimum

[mighty zenith]

ok thats like

actual serial killer behavior

thats the type of shit you add "in minecraft" at the end so you dont get put on a watchlist

[wheat walrus]

people legit create massive structures on top of spawn zones so that people get caged and never start building up in servers

[wheat walrus]

yea

[wheat walrus]

also the ark black market

where they sell base spots for thousands of dollars

and that's actually against the game's rules since rmt is not allowed

[mighty zenith]

thats somehow worse than a 6000 dollar frying pan

[indigo glade]

They could make rocks come to life using magic during a "LIhzahrd Dynasty". But, one day, their God abandoned them, and so they decided to make a mechanical idol. It had many inspirations for its design, but most notable was the heat of the Sun.

[wheat walrus]

I remember a guy who got rich off of that, and had scammed multiple people to do so

like I think one time he scammed thousands of dollars from one guy

there's an entire video on that guy iirc

ark players are wild man

[livid bobcat]

Which was it?

That abandoned them

[cloud ibex]

we don't really know

[livid bobcat]

Mfw trying to run a ttrpg game based on Calamity and the players trying to ask me questions that I need to make up answers for

[cloud ibex]

given the sun connection you could guess that it's xeroc but that doesn't really feel right

[split mortar]

Yeah, unless they started worshipping xeroc without his knowledge and he just left cause that was weird

Like idk which god it could be but the heat of the sun indicates a god related to the sun which would be xeroc, or a god related to heat and idk that may be providence but that’s also off

[split mortar]

You could say that they haven’t found out the name of said god yet, or make up the god

[dusk laurel]

what if its a god like how deus is one (fake)

[split mortar]

I mean maybe

[livid bobcat]

One of my players wants to be a lizhard

This campaign takes place during the war (right before calamitas and brimmy burn azurefure)

Could it possibly be providence? She's already sun related

Though I suppose she's a bit too omnicidal

Maybe she got worse or something

[split mortar]

She ain’t sun related anymore sadly
And yeah omnicidal stuff

[livid bobcat]

What about all her sun themed items? Warbanner of the sun?

[split mortar]

We don’t know what provi is the god of, o heard ash is possible

[split mortar]

I think that’s old lore stuff

[livid bobcat]

Interesting

[split mortar]

Like we know she is adjacent to fire since the dragon she absorbed was dragon of fire

probably make up the god if you can

[livid bobcat]

That makes sense

Maybe purity or something since her goal is "purity" through extinction

Why does she want that again?

[split mortar]

She is just so nihilistic and against suffering she wants to erase everything so nothing can suffer

If no one is alive no one can suffer basically

[livid bobcat]

Interesting

So basically shes

https://tenor.com/view/lady-bone-demon-gif-26267263

||lego monkie kid is a good show, season 3 has a villain with the same motive||

[split mortar]

I guess yeah she is like lady bone demon

[livid bobcat]

Ok I can cook with this

I might have providence have a downfall arc since this is a prequel?

Like from bad to worse

[split mortar]

Ah fair

[livid bobcat]

Have her watch over lizardfolk since they have a culture of suffering and abandon them when she adopts nihilism

[split mortar]

Yeah I think that can work

[livid bobcat]

I could also draw comparisons between her and yharim (the party is fighting on his side before his full on decent) and the way I'm interpreting him

Made yharim sort of a mix of teddy Roosevelt, azure lion, aragorn and such, as a man of the "natural order" with double standards

Something something dragons and preservation

[split mortar]

Yeah

[livid bobcat]

Yharim can't let go of the past, providence marches toward a dark future

[split mortar]

Sounds like they’ll have fun

[livid bobcat]

I hope so

Thanks for the help btw

[split mortar]

No problem

[fierce pagoda]

If souls exist in calamity, where do these souls go when one dies? is there an afterlife in calamity?

[sinful adder]

I am pretty sure that Xeroc is the god that abandoned the lhizards

[sinful adder]

My best guess is that they fade away into mana and that ambient mana becomes new souls, so it's more like your mind and personality linger without your body, than a permanent afterlife

[split mortar]

Idk either there’s a afterlife no one cares about or souls dissipate into normal energy or something

And the soul saturated dungeon environment doesn’t let it dissipate into normal energy or mana

[fierce pagoda]

whats the difference between Mana and energy

[split mortar]

Mana being magic energy

[fierce pagoda]

Can Mana be converted into regular energy, and vice versa you think?

[split mortar]

I’d assume so

[magic epoch]

Ice Rod makes me think so

[fierce pagoda]

this makess me curious about what mana really is, is it just matter taken a new form or something else entirely, is it connected to the soul or not?

[magic epoch]

Mana is confirmed to be contained in bones so it is very likely it's something about the soul itself actually

Or bodily autonomy

[devout grotto]

How big do y'all think Ilmeris is (or even was) 🤔 I've been thinking that it's around the size of Egypt as a whole but I could be wrong

[indigo glade]

Not known

[indigo glade]

All of them are planned to be renamed, since they are based off in old lore.

[eager bluff]

god

i never thought my shitpost about bone mana would be canon

[fierce pagoda]

How dense is the mana in Scals bones, or even in our endgame terrarian

mana boosting consumables make our bones able to carry more mana

How, I don't know

[indigo glade]

help

[split mortar]

We have a max limit of mana in our bones since we can’t surpass 400 or 500 mana, so I think that endgame Terrarian is very efficient

[indigo glade]

the key beteen q and e broke

[split mortar]

Ah the W key

[indigo glade]

please help

[fierce pagoda]

Look at the letters between C and N on your keyboard

https://tenor.com/view/lr-agl-ssb-vegito-goku-vegeta-super-saiyan-blue-dokkan-battle-gif-14876477228202277695

[indigo glade]

hat about them?

[dusk laurel]

vb

[indigo glade]

FUCK

[fierce pagoda]

use the digital keyboard

[indigo glade]

I think I have to restart my computer.

[fierce pagoda]

press windows key + ctrl + O

[indigo glade]

I am not doing that.

[sudden ruin]

press windows ctrl shift alt L

you probably need it

[fierce pagoda]

I'm just giving you the method incase your W key is completely broken

[dusk laurel]

alt + f4

[indigo glade]

I'm not doing random commands either.

[fierce pagoda]

lol the linkdin shortcut

[sudden ruin]

no do it

[dusk laurel]

_ _

[indigo glade]

Ho does this help ith gaming?

FUCKFUCKFUCKLFUFCKDFUFCKFIKVKLF<{P

[fierce pagoda]

oh

[dusk laurel]

errrr

[fierce pagoda]

just rebind to the button closest and above W

[dusk laurel]

what just happened

[indigo glade]

"Ho does this help ith gaming?"

[sudden ruin]

lol\

[indigo glade]

i cant not use the key

i hate myself

[sudden ruin]

wait what happened

keyboard break?

[indigo glade]

this

[fierce pagoda]

W key broke

WWWWWWWWWWW

here take some

[split mortar]

Set your movement keys one to the right

[sudden ruin]

kekw

[split mortar]

So W is e

A is S

[fierce pagoda]

esdf

[split mortar]

S is D

[fierce pagoda]

instead of wasd

[indigo glade]

All of you are just flexing your ability to at me.

[split mortar]

D is F

[sudden ruin]

yeah use esdf

[dusk laurel]

esdf

[sudden ruin]

the better wasd

[split mortar]

I just suggested a way for it to work with gaming

[fierce pagoda]

or qCAPSLOCKas

[split mortar]

Pfft

[indigo glade]

I'm just

[sudden ruin]

thats weird tho

[indigo glade]

going to restart my computer.

Goodbye.

[fierce pagoda]

what if you restart it

but it never turns back on

[sudden ruin]

w key is needed to boot windows dude

[split mortar]

Then we never see them again

[fierce pagoda]

Its over

i guess e ont

[sudden ruin]

what if their password includes a w

[fierce pagoda]

hat

[split mortar]

Digital keyboard

[fierce pagoda]

guess he didt consider that

it his w key is broken and its a desktop its fine, if its a laptop, hes cooked

[dusk laurel]

what if everything is binded to w

and he explodes

[sudden ruin]

my friend did something similar once

[fierce pagoda]

no 😦

exploded!?

[indigo glade]

I fixed it.

It was an issue with the switch.

Just took the cap off, messed with it for a bit, and it is back to working.

[sudden ruin]

awesomes

[indigo glade]

Guess that is what happens when you are the most used key.

[fierce pagoda]

this tells me that its gonna stop working again soon

[indigo glade]

Silence.

[warm gull]

I'm talking very loudly

fuck silence

[indigo glade]

No you're not.

Here.

Let me demonstrate.

Ahem

I AM TALKING VERY LOUDLY

[split mortar]

Nah that’s just outside voice not loud talking

this louder

[dusk laurel]

How loud?

[split mortar]

is this louder?

No

Why does two hashtags make it quieter

[pliant ruin]

#+

maybe

#+ maybe

no

+# maybe

ok yeah

that dosent work

its just

this

or

-# this

[indigo glade]

Because that is how headers work.

[split mortar]

Should make it bigger

[sudden ruin]

meow

meow

meow

[dusk laurel]

shut

[sudden ruin]

x~x

[gaunt sluice]

#heih

I don't think I did it right

#is it both sides#

nope

lol

oh

there we go

[fierce pagoda]

I see

its hashtag, then a space after the hashtag

#/hi

substitute the "/" for a space

[dusk laurel]

the insouciant, carmine yonder

[gaunt sluice]

p e r i s h

[dusk laurel]

[fierce pagoda]

Thats what you get for being mean earlier

[dusk laurel]

nuh uh

💥

crap

i exploded

[gaunt sluice]

dqwhdiuwfokj

qwejfhbquywhd

elhguyqhdipuwfehuiyqgwd

alr that doesn't work

[fierce pagoda]

more hashtags doesnt seem to have an effect

[gaunt sluice]

up to 3

[fierce pagoda]

hi

three just did that

[leaden bridge]

deep lore

[gaunt sluice]

1

2

3

[fierce pagoda]

oh i see

it makes them smaller

[gaunt sluice]

hashtag lore

[gaunt sluice]

lore discussers

where yall at

[dusk laurel]

loring

[gaunt sluice]

fair

[dusk laurel]

i wonder how culturally important Azafure was to the surrounding cavern settlements

[gaunt sluice]

yes,

[dusk laurel]

very vital info

[gaunt sluice]

idk how many cavern settlements there were

[hot valve]

hello lore channel

[gaunt sluice]

hello lorer

[hot valve]

What do you think Cosmilite feels like

[dusk laurel]

icey

[gaunt sluice]

cold

[dusk laurel]

it is a liquid

[hot valve]

I was thinking the same thing

[gaunt sluice]

and also sparkly

[hot valve]

Although admittedly it also inflicts god slayer inferno

so maybe it's actually cold -> briefly extremely hot

[gaunt sluice]

yeah

it inflicts god slayer inferno when it hits you at high speed

[tall crest]

star crunch snacks

[hot valve]

mmm starbits

[spring helm]

bendy

[pliant ruin]

i think cosmilite would be very ellastic but also metallic

Imagine a iron bar you can bend as if it was made of rubber

[real silo]

Cosmilite tastes like indium

[hot valve]

yeah like indium makes sense

[spring helm]

The cosmilite armour that DoG has is specifically very flexible, but flexibility in metals refers to the ability of the material to plasticity deform without breaking

So unfortunately you cannot stretch DoG like a rubber band and send him flying

Well

You could but not like a rubber band

would be very funny if it cosmilite was also elastic though

[magic epoch]

That's actually why dog is pierce resistant compared to other worms

Instead of bullets and the like piercing through the armor, they bounce and slide off

[real silo]

Bouncy gummy worm

Wait wait wait

Is that a fucking one piece reference

[magic epoch]

i haven't watched it so no not on purpose

[hoary berry]

cosmilite lore

[scenic olive]

Maybe hes just massive

cant pierce thicker skin

[hoary berry]

[devout grotto]

That emote scares me

[calm patio]

as it should.

[hoary berry]

[mighty zenith]

stop

[hoary berry]

[hoary berry]

i'm also thinking about how the terrarian might acquire certain boss drops

generally it could just be interpreted as using their body parts to make weapons

but for some items i'm thinking my terrarian could make them by mimicking the abilities of bosses directly via magic, or using their attacks as inspiration to create new magic, rather than just weapon #37

[devout grotto]

👀

I am very much looking forward for more of your insights

[scenic olive]

Yharon should turn into a worm in his phase 2

yharworm

[jaunty niche]

nooooo

[split mortar]

Oh like all of yharons drops are kinda mimicking yharons powers but obviously isn’t part of yharons body while stuff like drops from queen bee can easily be seen as parts of her body?

[hoary berry]

stuff like yharon's drops, yeah
though i'm not sure how i would handle QB's

bee gun could just be taking part of her body and fuelling it with magic to effectively give it life again, allowing it to retain its original capabilities

but, with the bee keeper i think i'd choose to label that as a form of summoning magic using the sword as a catalyst or focus

the hornet staff is obviously just straight up summoning magic, which i think is also how i'll handle most other summon weapons

i'm throwing away all notions of class distinction but it isn't real anyway so

[real silo]

This bow? Uses summon magic! What about these beenades? Same thing!

[split mortar]

That or the queen bees entire body produces bees like it’s her blood

[real silo]

A bee made of bees

[split mortar]

So what happens when we kill queen bee should be like what happens when we kill gruzzmother from hollowknight

[real silo]

Death animations...

[split mortar]

That spawns in 300 bees

[hoary berry]

i do also need to decide what is classified as summon magic

[real silo]

If it uses mana it's magic

[hoary berry]

also burning sky doesn't exist

[real silo]

Easy enough

[hoary berry]

it isn't real

[split mortar]

That weapon better get changed in sso

I mean there’s also this image

About queen bee drops

[distant sand]

real

[hoary berry]

like, phoenix flame barrage summons a barrage of phoenix flames (no way!1!1!!!!) from the sky
but i wouldn't call that summon magic even if that is what it does
i'm thinking that if magic creates something that is alive, that counts as summon magic
stuff like necromancy would be a branch of summon magic

[hoary berry]

i'm stealing this thank you

idk how much of it i'll incorporate but i'll probably use some of it

and yeah that's exactly what i was thinking for bee gun

[split mortar]

In calamity I’m pretty sure necromancy is part of brimstone magic, since calamitas explodes any other magic 90% of the time, summon magic is probably not its own type of magic but a way of using magics

[hoary berry]

i mean, i'm not trying to follow calamity to the letter because i want to experiment with a magic system and this seems like a good opportunity
but i can just make necromancy a hybrid magic between summon and brimstone magic
so sort of a branch of both types

and i'm going to make summon magic its own type of magic, just one that frequently incorporates other magic types to broaden the scope of what it can do

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[hoary berry]

and for stuff like terraprisma and blade staff, i don't really know what i want to do yet

i'm sort of thinking of making terraprisma something akin to xeroc's primordial light constructs, just obviously not using primordial light

but i've starved for ideas on blade staff

[split mortar]

Yeah I was thinking something like that

[split mortar]

Wouldn’t it be like the Daedalus golem summon? The staff summons both an object and gives it life to protect you?

[real silo]

To be fair she does use primordial light

[split mortar]

Only in day and it’s not much

[real silo]

I was going to say you only get it from daypress but forgot cal changed that

[split mortar]

And in calamity she can drop terraprisma in night iirc

[dusk laurel]

yess

they changed it so it drops at noght

[split mortar]

1/3 iirc

[hoary berry]

same as any other drop from her

weapon drop, at least

[untold oracle]

Yeah but terraprisma was balanced

So it isn’t that good in calamity

[hoary berry]

it is

it went from something like 90 -> 60 base damage

but it is still good

[untold oracle]

Not as good I meant

But I’m pretty sure there are better alternatives

Haven’t played summoner yet tho

[real silo]

Raven staff clearly

[untold oracle]

My poor sanguine staff was killed

That weapon carried me from pre-mech to terraprisma in my vanilla run a year back

[hoary berry]

i've been thinking about this

but how much i want to incorporate PL into how empress' drops work depends on how i want to handle empress' use of PL itself

since we don't really know how she's managed to channel it

[untold oracle]

There is a chance she’s a minion of Xeroc

And he has just given her the power to absorb sunlight into PL

[hoary berry]

i need to make organised notes on all the stuff i've just been talking about but icba right now so i'll just screenshot parts of the conversation

i should also separate my big messy doc into separate docs for dev statements, headcanons and OCs

but google docs won't let me copy or download images i've put into that doc so i would have to individually screenshot them all

[sinful adder]

This does not make sense from a lore perspective. Xeroc doesn't interfere with things. She probably just channels it like any other kind of magic

[split mortar]

Yeah but it’s stated she is obedient and that a greater force lets her use primordial light

[hoary berry]

that's what yharim says
and while he probably knows more about PL than the average person, he could still very well be wrong

[split mortar]

Yeah but he also would leave her alone if she wasn’t following a god

And I doubt a jump from being able to be fought to being nigh untouchable is leaving many options for where she gets her power

[hoary berry]

it's possible that primordial light is just that much more potent than regular mana

[hoary berry]

also wdym by this?

[split mortar]

Yhar did try to in some sense end her

But like providence and slime god was too evasive

[trim edge]

yharim tried to destroy the sun bcuz of xeroc

[split mortar]

If she didn’t follow a god he wouldn’t try to end her

[trim edge]

eol tried to stop him so he tried to hunt her

[hoary berry]

but like
he could just be wrong to think she's a servant of a god

for the record i'm not saying i actively don't think EoL could have ties to a god or some other being, but i don't want to think that based on yharim's words alone

[split mortar]

Fair

[sinful adder]

EoL is rather confusing really

[split mortar]

We don’t even know what she does

[sinful adder]

Like, what is she? Why does she take strength from things and then obey them?

[split mortar]

Other then be the best solar panel

[sinful adder]

Is that what she's doing?

It does not make much sense

[split mortar]

I mean how else would she absorb light

For power or whatever

[untold oracle]

2 billion Yharims vs sun

[sinful adder]

I think it would be much simpler if she was equivalent to hive mind but for hallow

[untold oracle]

Would deerclops be included in the lore?

[split mortar]

No

[sinful adder]

No

[split mortar]

Same with old ones army

[untold oracle]

I mean you can just say it’s a wild animal or smth

[sinful adder]

I would like it if they reworked the crossover content like that

[split mortar]

References are not canon to calamity

Even vanilla ones

[sinful adder]

But unfortunately not

[mighty zenith]

its from a completely different game

the writers just dont wanna deal with that stuff

[split mortar]

Calamity mod for don’t starve when

[untold oracle]

Yeah it can cause some unpleasant stuff

[sinful adder]

It really wouldn't be that bad, it would just be a lot of work

But not hard work

To adapt it into something canon

[pliant ruin]

It's not hard tbh as previously mentioned you can just say things like deerclops r a wild animal and murasama is just a Sword unrelated to MGR

the problem imo is

that it just feels silly

like yes it's not Deerclops from Don't Starve it's uhh Deerclops the Totally Original and Natural Organism

[split mortar]

Yeah it would just be silly

[pliant ruin]

not rly fitting with calamity's more serious/grounded tone

[split mortar]

Plus that would be one strong natural being

Though aqua scoog is

[pliant ruin]

i mean theres plenty of much stronger natural beings so i dont see the problem with that

[split mortar]

Yeah fair

[fierce pagoda]

are blood moon clowns canon

[pliant ruin]

idk

[split mortar]

I mean probably, bloodmoons are a supernatural event

[pliant ruin]

id say no but if they are i'm gonna go on a whim and say that it's a random serial killer entirely unrelated to blood moons at a base level that just has killing people on blood moons as his M.O

[fierce pagoda]

That'd be funny

[frank dune]

nah bro is just underpaid

[fierce pagoda]

were the holiday moons and solar eclipse enemies entirely non-canon?

[pliant ruin]

holiday moons themselves aren't canon

eclipse enemies i think so too given

refrence

the only one that's evenv

viably

canon

but idk if it is

is eyezor

[fierce pagoda]

werewolves are canon tho right

[pliant ruin]

cuz its not a reference to anything

i mean yeah dont see why they wouldnt be

[hoary berry]

is the arms dealer's quote about mothrons outdated?

[split mortar]

Werewolves themselves are yeah, they aren’t a reference to a specific werewolf

[pliant ruin]

i mean idk if a quote

necessarily means its canon

specially one from a vanilla npc

[hoary berry]

cal added the quote

i just can't find out when

so idk if it's from ages ago or not

[pliant ruin]

ye ik theres

some cal quotes

but i still dont think tht necessarily means = canon

[hoary berry]

fair

[pliant ruin]

tho idk why

theyd be there otherwise

so ill just leave it as a Maybe for now i think

[fierce pagoda]

What a mess of a canon we have going honestly, not intuitive at all!

[split mortar]

Well yeah the mod is not complete, and there’s weird stuff from vanilla

[fierce pagoda]

I don't think It it'll ever be that intuitive if I'm being real, Terraria just doesn't lend itself to this kinda thing

[hoary berry]

wrong chat mate

this isn't cat

this is lore discussion

[frank dune]

mb

now i perish

[hoary berry]

[untold oracle]

[split mortar]

And we’re discussing lore surprisingly, so being off topic actually matters

[hoary berry]

[fierce pagoda]

Solar eclipses will always be a part of the game, at players will always believe its canon, until they come to the internet looking for answers. I mean you cant exactly have a slip of paper in game saying that "All refrences to other media is noncanon!"

[dusk laurel]

well they are canon

solar eclipse enemies arent

[fierce pagoda]

i meant the enemies obviously

and then we have da holiday moons n all too

I think this is the list of non-canon things: All references to other media, all dedicated content, all crossover content and the Holiday Moons.

I think that's it, now just make a note item containing that message and put it in the starter bag👍

[dusk laurel]

_ _

[hoary berry]

[fierce pagoda]

[untold oracle]

That is the most horrendous emoji I’ve ever seen

[hoary berry]

it is brilliant and awesome and marginally horrific

[dusk laurel]

the perfect combination

[untold oracle]

One thing I’m curious about is how ravager will be implemented with the new design

Like how do you make a bipedal boss not clanky like golem

[split mortar]

Like deerclops?

[hoary berry]

i had a whole idea for a short story about it months ago, before we saw any concept art, but never got around to doing more than like

2 paragraphs

because something came up

and i never revisited it

[untold oracle]

Eh, maybe

Though deerclops can be cheesed easily

[dusk laurel]

it probably wouldn't be as slow as deerclops

especially since it will be a post-providence boss

[untold oracle]

If it flies it would look super weird

[dusk laurel]

well

[untold oracle]

And it will not be like golem

[dusk laurel]

running is a thing

golem is a machine that looks directly at the screen at all times

i doubt that that's how they would implement the boss

[hoary berry]

The walls convulsed around him.

A horrid amalgamation of godhood and necromancy, the blood of the thing—an equally distasteful blend of murky red and that familiar, golden ichor—squelched with every step he took, vessels bursting from the sudden pressure.

As far as first impressions with a god go, this one was hardly divine, the man decided. The silent screams of disembodied organs which hung loosely by rotting tendons were far from appropriate for the job of welcoming guests. The way each strangled note—carried somehow by bloodied magic, not the even fouler air—reverberated endlessly was haunting at best and likely lethal to most mortal minds.
i found it after searching through my docs
this was literally all i got done

i don't really remember exactly where i was going with it

except that ravager would literally be the temple he (the terrarian) is exploring

since we hadn't seen any concept art for it at the time

[jovial lion]

can we have the docs up in here

[hoary berry]

wdym

[jovial lion]

can i see the docs i wanna learn stuff 🙏

[hoary berry]

oh

the lore doc is in the pinned messages

[jovial lion]

damn!!!

my bad gang

[hoary berry]

the docs i referred to are my personal stuff

[split mortar]

If you have any questions afterwards asking here is fine

[scenic olive]

what is my purpose

[real silo]

Nothing

[dusk laurel]

to buy the patreon

[real silo]

Be purposeless

Don't make someone else decide

Become ungovernable

[scenic olive]

my purpose

is to serve the empire

[untold oracle]

What is sepulcher?

Like what exactly is it

[dusk laurel]

like an amalgam of souls

iirc

[untold oracle]

Scal does mention ”crawling tomb”

[dusk laurel]

apparently the way it was made was inspired by the way yharon revived the other dragons

or somethibg like tgat

[hoary berry]

yeah

[indigo glade]

That is just necromancy in general.

[dusk laurel]

yeag

[indigo glade]

It is just

Big pile of bones.

[gaunt sluice]

Yall remember that sepulcher summon item text

[hoary berry]

this?

[gaunt sluice]

Yea

[mighty zenith]

what the fuck is a metaphor

[dusk laurel]

all of the exhumed items are getting buffed in some way

[untold oracle]

If Calamitas’ dialogue is getting rewritten, shouldn’t calclone’s 3 lines be rewritten too

[hoary berry]

#suggestions-voting message

[dusk laurel]

[untold oracle]

Wait no there’s just 2

[dusk laurel]

its already planned fyi

probably with the rework

[untold oracle]

Oh wait it’s getting reworked?

Cool

[spring helm]

what if yharim used 3 swords
wouldnt that be fucked up or what

[untold oracle]

I think it might become something similiar to cal shadow from infernum except it’s a clone not shadow

[indigo glade]

One Piece.

[indigo glade]

Redesign.

Rework is not confirmed.

[hoary berry]

dual wield + unicorn horn

[untold oracle]

Yeah I meant that primarily

Pretty weird that insanity turns you into a brimstone eyeball

[hoary berry]

stab your enemy with both swords to lock them in place, then headbutt them to pierce their skull

[spring helm]

make his boots extend into swords

4 sword style

[lean crag]

One piece!!!!!!!

[hoary berry]

add five metre sword to his back
no more sneak attacks

[spring helm]

make yharim fight completely unfun

you can only damage him with true melee

[untold oracle]

Auric rejection:

[spring helm]

"Petty tricks won't work Terrarian. Face me with your true mi—nuh uh it's not cheating shut up"

[spring helm]

just power through it like Braelor apparently did

[hoary berry]

yharim should make yharim clones to kick your ass while he gets his workout finished 💪

<— also check out this guy

[spring helm]

"I'll fight you later Terrarian. I'm making fucking gains right now."

[pliant ruin]

i mean

there hasn't been any outright confirmation but its sort of just obvious

[spring helm]

and then you watch as he overdoses on the auric yharoids

[pliant ruin]

it's incredibly outdated and dosen't fit with the lore in the slightest

most bosses will probably be redesigned tbh

[spring helm]

why does calclone have siblings

who are they

[pliant ruin]

/resprited

i dont think she does

i think the siblings are creations she made herself to feel more comfort because seh's probably lonely as fukc

[untold oracle]

That’s just sad

[indigo glade]

Clearly Calamitas gave her clone her memories, so now her clone wants siblings.

[pliant ruin]

and since she's a clone of calamitas she probably has some remnants of cal's own emotions on her

[spring helm]

alright that's it im adopting her

[untold oracle]

Good ending

[spring helm]

new fanfic arc: making an orphanage for all the kids who's parents yharim killed

[untold oracle]

Oh my

Hope you got a country amount pf space for that

[hoary berry]

turn the entire continent into one giant orphanage

[untold oracle]

Pretty sure

That would not be an orphanage

That would be a literal nation at that point

[indigo glade]

Kid Nation.

[spring helm]

i mean it's kind of what my terrarian is already doing
the town he builds is meant for all the refugees from a nearby kingdom

excpet the princess npc's

they just show up

[untold oracle]

It’s a pretty bad kingdom if the royalty is also escaping

[spring helm]

the crusade was pretty bad for everyone

[untold oracle]

What would be Yharim’s limit on casualties

How many would he sacrifice for 1 god killed

[supple thunder]

yes

[spring helm]

i dont think he has a limit

[real silo]

He didn't stop with just the gods he went after their followers

[spring helm]

didnt like 300 million people die

[real silo]

well of those how many were his people

I think the question was asking how many men was he willing to lose to kill a god

[spring helm]

a decent amount probably since the mechanical trio has the souls of his soldiers

but that is inevitable

[gaunt sluice]

Probably went after those personally as well

[spring helm]

i think if the casualties start ramping up he (or like DoG or Calamitas) will step in

yahrim's not stupid

[real silo]

Why would he

[gaunt sluice]

Cal came in near the end

[real silo]

Why would he kill his own men

[gaunt sluice]

No I mean the gods

[spring helm]

in draetalk we see that he took cities and rebuilt them after conquest

he was playing the long game

[trim edge]

so he just cleared the cities of gods and their followers and left expecting the city to follow him?

[indigo glade]

Yes.

[spring helm]

i would headcanon that he was a lot more gung ho about it, sending wave after wave of soldiers to kill a single god, near the beginning and then got a lot more strategic about it after seeing how little progress he was making

[trim edge]

friends and family of the god followers:

[gaunt sluice]

Why would ya do that tho

[spring helm]

i assume it was like the mongols where he went "follow me or die"

[spring helm]

idk

[trim edge]

probably

[hoary berry]

i think cei had an estimate of around 112 million

[spring helm]

a lot less, but still a mind boggling amount

[hoary berry]

in that estimation, she assumed a world population of 300 million
which is probably where you got that from

[spring helm]

that makes sense

[hoary berry]

#lore-discussion message

[spring helm]

now that i think about it

that's actually an insane population growth rate

[real silo]

He killed 3 and a half malaysias

[dusk laurel]

🙏_ _

[spring helm]

from a quick google search, it took until 3500 bc for the world population to reach 100 million, about 6500 years from the start of the paleolithic, when humans started agriculture

cities would rise up soon after that

considering Azafure was one of the first cities, Calamity's world population tripled that amount in about a third of the time

the wonders of magic i suppose

[hoary berry]

me when i can summon potable water from thin air (i don't know if this is possible with cal's magic)

[spring helm]

silva essence moment

infinite food glitch

[indigo glade]

Well, you can summon water and ice.

Whether or not it is potable is a different story.

[hoary berry]

as is whether it will actually stay in your body or be beneficial

actually what if that's just how mana potions work

water made by mana (more concentrated as you go from lesser -> supreme)

a short period of time after the water leaves the bottle (perhaps it has a magic seal) it dissipates into mana

which you absorb

[real silo]

Manalcohol

[hoary berry]

this is really dumb so i'm going to add it to my doc as one of my silly headcanons

[split mortar]

I suppose this absorption goes into the bones

Would this mean teath would be quite magically dense compared to like the tail bone?

[hoary berry]

perma having teeth that glow with magic is now a permanent part of my mental image of him

[split mortar]

Calamitas burning any food she eats due to brimstone magic dense teeth

[spring helm]

fuck

magic really is stored in the bones

[split mortar]

[real silo]

This is why sepulcher is all bones

It's calamitas' personal mana battery

[split mortar]

No wonder it’s nigh invincible

[pliant ruin]

hi lore chat

[hoary berry]

i'm very happy that this is the case
i was already thinking of having one of my OCs be able to use something she calls "Bone Magic" before i even found out that mana was stored in the bones
mana being in the bones just supports the ideas i had for that type of magic

hello cheese

[real silo]

bone magic

[split mortar]

We’re discussing bones being stored in the magic

Wrong way round

[spring helm]

lmao

[real silo]

Turns you into bone (enhanced decomposition magic)

[pliant ruin]

bones are stored in the magic

magic is stored in tghe bones

[split mortar]

What is your opinion on teeth being among the most magically dense bones theory

[real silo]

bones (studio) are stored in the bones (organ)

meh

[pliant ruin]

i have no strong opinions on it

[split mortar]

Fair

[real silo]

Teeth are like mostly enamel

I think it'd make more sense if hand bones are more dense

Because you use hands to do magic or something

[hoary berry]

oh i just had an idea for an instance of her using it

[pliant ruin]

magic in my setting is based of emotional goop

i will not elaborate

[real silo]

There are also zero benefits to having magical teeth besides maybe dental hygiene

Or biting people

[spring helm]

canon

[hoary berry]

lmao

[indigo glade]

Nice profile picture.

[hoary berry]

Calyi

is that a nickname

[real silo]

bonges

Wait is that

Markiplier

[spring helm]

i fucked up spelling her name once in a meme so i just adopted it as my Terrarian's nickname for her

[split mortar]

Markiplier got his bones stolen

[spring helm]

yes

[real silo]

Can't believe markiplier is in calamity mod

[hoary berry]

who took markiplier's bones?

[split mortar]

Who didn’t

[real silo]

A game theory

[pliant ruin]

me....

[spring helm]

im terrible at coming up with names so i just picked Mark for my oc

limbus

[real silo]

mimbus

[dusk laurel]

nimbus

[spring helm]

DRAGON BALL????

[hoary berry]

thank you for the name suggestion btw

[real silo]

My rogue characters have the coolest names

[spring helm]

1233popcorn

[real silo]

Slime rouge the slime man who's red

Ritual oc like

[hoary berry]

her primary ability that lets her gain enough power to fight against the likes of yharim is a derivative of the ritual used to ascend to godhood, created by the god she followed after centuries of trial and error

it's an annoying code name because i also have an OC who was created by a ritual conducted by gods
so i always mix them up

why did i make 'by' italicised

[real silo]

emphasis !!

I love emphasizing

[hoary berry]

-# would this be the opposite of emphasis?

[real silo]

Idk maybe

[spring helm]

how do you do that

[real silo]

wait no

[spring helm]

#that's not it#

[real silo]

needs the -

before the #

[spring helm]

-#like this?

[real silo]

space maybe

[spring helm]

or both sides

[real silo]

It's easier to see on mobile where you can just copy text on a message and it copies over all the formatting or whatever

-# like this?

Yea just need to add a space after the #

[spring helm]

Calamitas with social anxiety be like

-# Do you enjoy going through hell?

[real silo]

Not enough stammering

more

[hoary berry]

how do you do the big text

this

wow awesome

[spring helm]

-# I-it's absurd t-t-to even thin..k of t-trying to g-get away... A-as lo-longgg as yo-u live... you w-w-will suffer
-# S-stopp laughing at me!

[mighty zenith]

:3

[hoary berry]

that big text is how i imagine yharim has to speak to be heard from the aerie
using exo-speakers built into his suit

[real silo]

it would be way funnier if it had the original size

the single # used to be so much bigger it's funny

[hoary berry]

how big was it originally?

compared to now

okay that big message is annoying me to look at

gone

[spring helm]

damn

yharim erasure

actually that

not bad continue erasing yharim

any lore channel i've been studying biology again

[pliant ruin]

fish

[spring helm]

did you know that if you took all of the dna in your body, straightened it out, and laid it end to end

you would die?

[pliant ruin]

that is true

[hoary berry]

what the fuck

[scarlet axle]

I did that and i was fine idk

[spring helm]

mod privilege

[hoary berry]

you just reminded me i have some college work to do

i shall go now

[spring helm]

lmao

[supple thunder]

how did silva escape the abyss the first time

did yharim just not beat her up enough

[real silo]

The first time she was in the abyss was like 2 thousand years ago

Yharim was likely centuries away from being born when she first escaped

[supple thunder]

isn’t that before azafure was even founded

[real silo]

She was in the abyss when azafure was founded which was 1800+ years ago

[supple thunder]

ah

[real silo]

Yharim was born in like 1600 something

maybe 1700

[supple thunder]

yea

what was she doing there tho

she wasn’t a god yet right

[real silo]

idk some mf put her there

She wasn't no

[spring helm]

around 1700

yharim's ~130 now

the other elementals seem to be very animalistic/non-sapient
you think silva was also like that pre-ascension?

[supple thunder]

i mean she had to do a ritual to get the auric soul right

unless perfect ascensions don’t need it

[supple thunder]

imprisoned for eternity

[spring helm]

yeah i got no clue on that part outside of speculation

[supple thunder]

fair

[real silo]

Perfect ascensions still need auric souls

[supple thunder]

i meant the ritual

[real silo]

Right

[spring helm]

wait a fucking minute

where shiki go

[supple thunder]

like if silva was animalistic then maybe the dragon just gave her its soul

[real silo]

that is shiki

Stinky

Yea maybe

[supple thunder]

who is shiki

[real silo]

character

[spring helm]

if the perfect ascension requires the consent of the dragon to occur

[real silo]

beloved

[spring helm]

then perhaps the dragon of life did the ritual for silva

[real silo]

the dragon of life using silva's soul to ascend

[spring helm]

and it backfired

[real silo]

all the stupid gods got the order wrong

the dragon is the one ascending not the human

[untold oracle]

I think the dragon of life just knew Silva personally and thought that she would be responsible with the power, giving the soul to her rather than risking the power going to wrong hands

[gaunt sluice]

That would make sense

[supple thunder]

yea i like that

[supple thunder]

xeroc is actually zeratros???

[real silo]

We never got to know the monk's name

[gaunt sluice]

True

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is Xeroc

[real silo]

only after ascending does he get the name

[gaunt sluice]

Xeroc proclaimed himself xeroc

[supple thunder]

yea

[gaunt sluice]

Cuz he likes the rock and couldn't think of anything else in that moment

[untold oracle]

Wait what names do cloud elemental and brimmy have

[real silo]

none so far

[gaunt sluice]

Cloud Elemental and Brimstone Elemental

[untold oracle]

[supple thunder]

they forgor to get names

[pliant ruin]

Anahita and Silva r the only ones with names

nothing for sand, cloud or brim

[gaunt sluice]

Was Silva an elemental?

[pliant ruin]

i do like the headcanon that Brim's name is Furya/Furia though....

yes

silva is the elemental of nature iirc

[real silo]

Brimmy's real name is actually disasteras

[gaunt sluice]

I thought she was a dryad

[pliant ruin]

no she's the source of the dryads

[real silo]

because calamitas

[pliant ruin]

well

[untold oracle]

Yeah apparently, though I think she was sapient

[pliant ruin]

she is the first dryad but also the nature elemental, and all other dryads seem to worship her

[gaunt sluice]

Ig the dryad npc kinda is a nature elemental

[untold oracle]

Should dryad get new dialogue then

[pliant ruin]

no not rly

dryad npc isnt a nature elemental

silva = dryads but dryads =/ silva

if that makese sense

[gaunt sluice]

Ain't she turn into a bush in normal terraria

[pliant ruin]

yes

that dosent rly mean much

[gaunt sluice]

So all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares

[pliant ruin]

ye

[gaunt sluice]

Okay

[hoary berry]

back

[faint plank]

💣

[hoary berry]

💥

[untold oracle]

Why is dragonfolly post-moonlord?

Is it just that strong

Or is it just some awkward remain of old lore

[gaunt sluice]

Dragon offshoot

Moonlord is husk

[split mortar]

But moonlord isn’t far off from one of the strongest gods (providence)

[gaunt sluice]

Providence is not a strongest god

[real silo]

yes she is

[dusk laurel]

provi is a strong god

[gaunt sluice]

H o w

[real silo]

she is stronger than most gods

[dusk laurel]

^

[split mortar]

I said one of

[real silo]

not the top of the top but close to it

[gaunt sluice]

Is the Terrarian just that good then

[dusk laurel]

yess

[split mortar]

Yeah

[real silo]

obviously rav and silva and xeroc exist but that's like 3

Of like thousands of gods probably

[gaunt sluice]

Cal could shred provi

[hoary berry]

i like to imagine that while folly's attacks are more potent against a small area, the moon lord is far more destructive
so while folly would perform better against a target that's fairly small (like most terrarian OCs) it wouldn't actually be able to wreak as much havoc as the moon lord

[dusk laurel]

cal is stronger than most gods

not a good comparison

[split mortar]

And Calamitas is above all but xeroc and yharim, your point?

[gaunt sluice]

Didn't she take a long time to fight the lightning goddess

[dusk laurel]

no?

[split mortar]

She was burning an entire location not just the god

[dusk laurel]

we have no info on otonilou and provi interacting

[gaunt sluice]

Jesus christ i have not been updated in a while then

[gaunt sluice]

I mean cal

[untold oracle]

They should add bumblebirb back as a critter

[dusk laurel]

cal spent a while burning up ilmeris

[split mortar]

Omni calced what Calamitas burning the sea as country level

[dusk laurel]

not just the gods

[gaunt sluice]

Oh I thought that was unintentional

[untold oracle]

Whoopsie! I boiled another sea!

[split mortar]

Nah she was attacking the entire place, if it was her against the god in a 1v1 the gods fucked

[gaunt sluice]

Never mind then lol

So how did Cal get brimstone elemental powers and then add an exponent of like eight to it

[dusk laurel]

we don't know for sure yet

but i assume she stole them from brimmy

[split mortar]

We don’t know for sure, but i assume she somehow absorbed brimmys powers

Hence why brim is early hardmode and calamitas final boss

[gaunt sluice]

Ik but why is it multiplied

Normal brim could not have been that powerful

[dusk laurel]

maybe brimmy was originally that strong

[split mortar]

Well if Calamitas is absorbing brims powers, brim was losing that power and so got weakened to early hardmode is my theory

[dusk laurel]

yeag

[gaunt sluice]

But like, normal brim would not have been stronger than literal dragons

[dusk laurel]

cal also trained to get stronger

[split mortar]

She was

[dusk laurel]

perma and all

[split mortar]

We don’t know about stronger but def more skilled

[gaunt sluice]

Yea in the draetalk he explained that

[split mortar]

Just like how moonlord is a husk we probably fight brimmy who is at like 1% of their mana left

[gaunt sluice]

H o w

[fierce pagoda]

Some dragons were weak as hell

Like slime gods dragon

[split mortar]

An average dragon is equal to a eidolon wyrm, they are strong but not beyond anything else reaching them

[gaunt sluice]

Ik but how would brim be over yharon

[fierce pagoda]

Yharon is an outliter

Hes the second strongest dragon everp

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[gaunt sluice]

Cal over yharon

[split mortar]

Brimmy had been dormant for centuries, could be that they had an extreme build up of power

[gaunt sluice]

Do you build power while you're sleeping

[fierce pagoda]

Cal was also probably weaker back then

[dusk laurel]

its an elemental

so probably

[gaunt sluice]

Im saying if Cal got all her powers by stealing from Brimmy she wouldn't be this strong

[fierce pagoda]

Who says thats what happened

[gaunt sluice]

Draetalk

[manic coral]

Watching arguments in this chat is always so fun

[split mortar]

I ain’t a avatar of the worlds fire put into a magic brimstone being, they could

[hoary berry]

hi cei

[gaunt sluice]

Woah a dev

[split mortar]

Good to hear we’re entertaining

[dusk laurel]

im glad we have a use

[fierce pagoda]

dreadon only theorizes things

He himself doesnt knnow things for certain

[gaunt sluice]

How far off the mark am I

[manic coral]

Why would I say

That would entirely ruin the fun for everyone

[gaunt sluice]

Because I'm completely incorrect

[fierce pagoda]

No i wouldnt say that

We just dont know enough, all of us

[split mortar]

With what we know for now I would say assuming calamitas is or was a sponge for brimstone elementals powers wouldn’t be an incorrect assumption

[fierce pagoda]

yeah i agree, but there could be more to it

Dreadon may not have the whole picture yet

[gaunt sluice]

Cal also caused calclone to develop powers apparently

[split mortar]

Really?

[gaunt sluice]

Draetalk

Because that's all of our sources now

[split mortar]

Oh, didn’t know that was what was implied

[wheat walrus]

ommous

[gaunt sluice]

No he stated it explicitly

[untold oracle]

If you were a god when Yharim started crusading, wouldn’t it be just wiser to hide until he dies of old age, then start building back up

[fierce pagoda]

So calamity verse peaks at country level

[untold oracle]

Instead of facing him

[wheat walrus]

for now

yea

[fierce pagoda]

Also in AP or DC?

[gaunt sluice]

Like Provi

[split mortar]

While yes, even random people like the lihzards got found

[untold oracle]

Just do provi whenever you’re found

[split mortar]

Best bet would be fleeing like slimegod or provi

[fierce pagoda]

best bet would be to train and progress and fight Yharim

Like the terrarian

👍

[untold oracle]

It’s weird to think that between the start of deific era and the crusade was ~700–800 years

I always had the picture in my head that Yharim started at around the same time as deific era started

Even though I knew there was a lot of time inbetween

[fierce pagoda]

Bro wasnt born yet

[wheat walrus]

I say both, Destructive Capacity is Attack Potency, a character being less visually destructive than another character that is more destructive, while the former can damage the latter and is shown as superior (even if not as destructive)

basically, destructive capacity gives us AP feats to calc, but if a character isn't as destructive as another while being superior to more destructive characters, their ap also scales

SCal's feat is a destructive feat, but it should also be AP, it took an extended period of time, therefore I won't say SCal herself is Country Level, but you could say that for characters that are far stronger than her, like Noxus, or Xeroc who can create multiple bosses, including SCal by using only a fraction of his power

[untold oracle]

What do you think what was Xeroc’s original proposal for the terrarian?

[wheat walrus]

idk

[gaunt sluice]

"Go kill Yharim I don't like him"

[untold oracle]

Before he changed his mind and gives them a single rock

[gaunt sluice]

"Go find this guy called Noxus I don't like him"

[split mortar]

I’d say, something about noxus

[untold oracle]

I was thinking that he could’ve given details about the ritual to ascend

Or smth

[split mortar]

I assume that’s what the terminus was used for

[manic coral]

There are some other gods out there who survived through clever means

[untold oracle]

Yeah

Aka hiding and running away

Or something funny

[supple thunder]

one is disguised as a regular blue slime

also torch god

[gaunt sluice]

Actual question, does dm dokoro's music with lyrics and stuff matter anymore

[manic coral]

Tbh there is something I wanna talk about but I'm not sure if I can or not

I mean I was never told I COULDN'T talk about it

[untold oracle]

Not really, they are for old lore and even then not literally

[split mortar]

Yharons is canon but is a tad weird, part of scals theme is outright not canon

[gaunt sluice]

Alr

[untold oracle]

Oh boy new lore drop?

[split mortar]

Maybe, but not garunteed

[gaunt sluice]

Not actively under a NDA

[manic coral]

Sort of but no

[hot valve]

Ask if you can cause I’d love to hear it

[wheat walrus]

[hot valve]

Iirc torch god isn’t an actual god
Last I heard of it was ‘nobody wants to make up lore for torch god, someone jokingly said it’s a hallucination from all the carbon monoxide so we’ve rolled with that’

[indigo glade]

You should talk about it.

[eager bluff]

is it the thing

[wheat walrus]

[hot valve]

If torch god got canonized between when I last heard that and now then, cool lmao

[manic coral]

Eh I'll just talk about it in vague terms

[gaunt sluice]

Sick

I like vague terms

[manic coral]

I do want to explore more the affects of expanse of the crusade in general in a side thing for cal that will probably happen at some point

[deft vessel]

So there was this thing that happened some time ago somewhere that was like so cool

[manic coral]

That's a subject I very much want to go into

[gaunt sluice]

Cal is still clipping a pixel into the floor

[manic coral]

we are aware

[hot valve]

Sounds pretty cool

[gaunt sluice]

Ooh more cal stuff

[untold oracle]

Yeah I noticed that too 😭

[manic coral]

I want to jsut in general explore the world outside of just where the game takes place a bit

[mighty zenith]

hi cei :D

[manic coral]

hi :D

[dusk laurel]

other continents?

[untold oracle]

I

[manic coral]

yeha that sorta thing