lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

their designs are really awesome

[rotund shore]

Second off, they’re really fucking scary?? We literally encounter guzzlord in a dimension similar to our own, but completely ravaged by it, and some of them are just, spooky

Nihilego apparently can display behaviors of a little girl, why the FUCK does this parasite jellyfish do that

[dusk laurel]

origami ultrabeast 🥲

so peak

[rotund shore]

Pokémon go has some super cool ads for the ultra beasts

I’d recommend y’all watch em, the animation is kind of rad

[dusk laurel]

kay

i'll go check them out

[rotund shore]

This has cut down versions of all of em https://youtu.be/a3ejp12vkJI?si=_x8PejgJWZqcYaGw

[dusk laurel]

actual paranormal activity

why do the ultra beasts look like they're gonna kill each other sometimes

[rotund shore]

I really hope we get an aether foundation themed storyline in a future game, like, in whatever region it is, a bunch of wormholes are popping up so lusamine and shit are here to investigate

The ultra beasts are so cool and I want them to be used more

[dusk laurel]

the ultra beasts should be used more yeah

[hoary cape]

I never realized how big some of them were lol

[latent bolt]

what are yharon's views on draconic offshoots

[sinful adder]

it seems like he has a neutral opinion on them, not particularly liking them, but having some respect for them because they were descended from dragons

[celest kettle]

His message to his master is still sending

[royal solar]

Would deleted future bosses fit in current lore? It's just seems interesting.

[calm patio]

no not really

[eager bluff]

not at all

[scenic olive]

why does

Primordial Wyrm cant speak

[warm gull]

yes

the future bosses are more canon than the lore

the lore is only 74% canon

the future bosses are 75% canon

[scenic olive]

There are deleted future bosses??

[latent bolt]

they for the most part were carbon copies of existing bosses with higher stats

[sinful adder]

future bosses would make sense as projections created by Xeroc

although, I bet we can figure out how strong xeroc is based on the fact that his copies are all scaled up to be near our level, but his copies of endgame bosses are slightly weaker than their real counterparts

[charred prism]

What are the “Future Bosses” tho?

[warm gull]

they were an old concept to just make some of the bosses stronger future versions of themselves

[frank dune]

Bosses with higher stats

[mighty zenith]

Ancient Doomsayer (Lunatic Cultist), Devourer of Universes, Dragon God Yharon

and yeah they were just the same bosses with higher stats

[sleek halo]

I imagine he’s nearing his limit

[frank dune]

The concept is cool tho

[sleek halo]

of the strongest entity he can make

with his level of control over PL

[sinful adder]

yeah

he himself is stronger than that

[warm gull]

I wish xeroc had a cooler test than boss rush

[frank dune]

If there was some updated sprites for them and abit more finished that would be nice postgame challenge

[sinful adder]

but just making those is different

[sleek halo]

I imagine in another millenia

[sinful adder]

Xeroc should send the bosses at you in groups, instead of in a row

[sleek halo]

he’ll have way better control

over Pl

so he himself

[warm gull]

Millennium

[sleek halo]

may not grow much in strength

[warm gull]

do not make the cei mistake

[sinful adder]

like pairing the scourges together, pairing the dukes together, pairing the mech bosses together, and so on

[sleek halo]

but his own control over PL grows immensely

and csn output far more of it

with less effort

[frank dune]

Ngl i was always wonderin how xeroc sends draedon

[warm gull]

I think it would be cool if xeroc's test wasn't jut throwing bosses at you

[frank dune]

He just messaged him to attack us or smth

[mighty zenith]

he created a draedon

out of primordial light

[warm gull]

it isn't real draedon

[sleek halo]

gives you an essay…

But yeah I think

Imo at least

[frank dune]

Really?

[sleek halo]

physically xeroc has reached their limit

or near it

[frank dune]

I was always thinkin draedon just randomly wants to attack us

[sleek halo]

but their control of their domain can still improve

but I do think at some point

Xeroc will not be able to actually improve

[warm gull]

yharim why do you hate gods?

because gods killed my grandma okay?

[sleek halo]

like coming up with ways to usw it

yeah

but actually being able to improve output usage

nuh

thet’s my headcanon

[frank dune]

Aint xeroc is the most powerful being then?

[warm gull]

yes they are

[frank dune]

Ngl i was always wondering how deus looks without astral infection

[warm gull]

wormb

[worthy sierra]

Is braelor and statis gay

[hoary berry]

yes

[worthy sierra]

Top 10 gay couples in fiction

[hoary berry]

i'd send the "hop on tmod" gif if i weren't afraid of the karmic consequences

[real silo]

Don't worry dominic karma allows it

[worthy sierra]

Is a picture of draedon kissing allowed

Or will i get banished

[hoary berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yharim-draerim-calamity-calamity-mod-hop-on-gif-14507370317284012742

took me several minutes of scrolling through my favourite gifs tab to find that

[worthy sierra]

Meanwhile the first gif if you search hop on tmod

[hoary berry]

yeah i forgot the search bar existed

[pliant ruin]

Hi lore chat

Im debating whether i sleep more or wake up

[hoary berry]

sleep

[real silo]

slake up and weep

[hoary berry]

wow my internet connection has reached a whole new level of shit

[warm gull]

hi cheese

[split mortar]

:/

[warm gull]

I'm going to sleep rn

[hoary berry]

i get like
ten seconds of functional internet
then two minutes of nothing

[split mortar]

Rip

[ruby heart]

lore users

[hoary berry]

this is a very loreful environment

[split mortar]

Totally

[warm gull]

hiangle

[mighty zenith]

loure

[hoary berry]

law

👮

[warm gull]

and order

[mighty zenith]

4 polygon heart

[cloud ibex]

He had a condition leave him alone

[untold oracle]

Draedon looks happy

[hoary berry]

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

the sleepies took over and i have now woken up For Real

[split mortar]

Fair

[mighty zenith]

waow

[frank dune]

Why yharon attacks player tbh?

[pliant ruin]

i mean hes evil

he sees ur heading to kill yharim and hes like oh ok and tries killing you

[keen hearth]

Has Calamity ever given an idea of what year it happens?

[trim edge]

draedon talks about dates regarding the crusade

[split mortar]

The way the Callander system in calamity is done is very different

But it’s in the late 1800s

[mighty zenith]

11.19.1887-11.19.1897 is the presumed range of time

so late 1880s to late 1890s

[real silo]

Can't believe the calamity mod calendar has 19 months

[frozen zodiac]

what day is draedon's birthday

[untold oracle]

Real

[untold oracle]

Wait lemme check it

[real silo]

7th day of the 30th month

[untold oracle]

November 16th

[real silo]

I may have misread

[untold oracle]

That is Draedon’s birthday

[real silo]

bro spent 158 years cooped up in his lab

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[dusk laurel]

fargos

[scenic olive]

Draelabs

[sleek halo]

yeah…..

[gaunt sluice]

Unless it's American but I wouldn't assume so, likely just a different orbit length

[sleek halo]

It’s American iirc

[hoary berry]

i would like to 💥 m/d/y

[sleek halo]

agrref

it’s dumb lol

but oh shell

[warm gull]

ah the fabled 19 month american calendar...

[split mortar]

America goes
Month then day then year

So the 19 would be day

[hushed geyser]

What American goes like that

[real silo]

there are actually 30 months

[split mortar]

It’s the norm in america

[devout grotto]

It's not just in America btw

[split mortar]

It’s the most known example of it

[hushed geyser]

I'm tweaking I go like that

[real silo]

yea but it's funnier to make fun of america

[devout grotto]

Ok fair

Anyway

I really want stuff from the perspective of Yharim's soldiers

[hushed geyser]

Going to deliver freedom to your doorstep (and icbm)

[real silo]

they're all dead

[devout grotto]

Oh 😭

[real silo]

you see bm?

good for you

[devout grotto]

Wait huh since when?

[sleek halo]

well they could have written stuff

[real silo]

this is true

[sleek halo]

also some are probably alive

[devout grotto]

(Also not necessarily in the present anyway)

[split mortar]

We know atleast a good lot are “alive” with the mech bosses

[sleek halo]

I doubt every single soldier is dead

[real silo]

draedon stuffed yharim's dead soldiers into mechs

[sleek halo]

well 3 mechs

and in the past

but it clearly didn’t turn out the way Draedon wanted it

[real silo]

I won't deny that

[sleek halo]

I doubt he made more afterwards

Ngl, considering the average strength of eidolon wyrms, and gods on average probably scaling a bit above that

the mechs are kinda…

fucked if they did manage to find a god

If by themselves

And controlling them doesn’t really seem possible

though I could imagine they were more used like

Kept in a containment

[split mortar]

I mean, they prob would fight and win against lesser gods

[sleek halo]

and during battle they’d be released

if it was a god

and then recontained afterwards

[split mortar]

They’re all loyal to yharim so he prob could easily tell them to stop

[sleek halo]

Maybe

Depends on how much the souls are conscious

clearly the hatred for gods was

well instilled

[real silo]

How strong are eidolon wyrms again

[split mortar]

Equal to avg dragon

[real silo]

which is..

[split mortar]

Quite strong

[real silo]

Damn

[split mortar]

Idk don’t think we get a exact comparison to another being other then wyrm for dragons

[real silo]

I don't think the average god would be post ml

[sleek halo]

Idk when in gameplay you go to the abyss tier 3

[split mortar]

I mean folly is post ml, barely

[sleek halo]

beenna while

[real silo]

considering provi is one of the strongest gods and is only early post ml

[sleek halo]

well she also has a metric fuck ton of health

in comparison

[split mortar]

Plus she has like a third of her power in the guardians

[sleek halo]

I still think lore wise the tiering is kinda fucked

[real silo]

They're post polter but they're also normal enemies

[sleek halo]

they’re definitely

a lot weaker than provi

[real silo]

Yea that's true

[sleek halo]

or a significant amount

I mean they have about

half hp of her

But I still do think the tiering is fucked

Realistically I’d place the average god 1/2ish the strength of her

[devout grotto]

Yeah there's gotta be a clear cut separation of lore and gameplay from time to time

[pliant ruin]

Dragonfolly being a post ml boss stronger than ML itself is

soemthing

like yeah ML is weakened but

is he really weakened so much that Random Animal would be stronger than him

[sleek halo]

Well that could also be the peak of follies currently

and they’re related to auric dragons

[pliant ruin]

well if it was like

a individual dragonfolly

i wouldnt mind

like that works

but rn it seems like dragonfolly is literally just

Average Dragonfolly

which is kind of fucked

[sleek halo]

Well they also live in the jungle

the average eidolon wyrm is also stronger than ML

[pliant ruin]

idk the eidolon wyrms r like minibosses

[sleek halo]

Follies are bosses

[pliant ruin]

i think that makes it more reasonable

in my perfect world pbg would be the post ml jungle boss instead of dragonfolly tbh,,,

[sleek halo]

Well I’d say Folly being strong enough

to fend off PBG as well

makes sense

[pliant ruin]

id oprobably make

folly

[sleek halo]

also the jungle is literally hell

[pliant ruin]

a post polter miniboss

just like EW

like waow

[real silo]

Plague bungus goliath

[pliant ruin]

both of the draconic offshoots are post polter minibosses

it would be cool.......

[sleek halo]

If I could retier pml

I’d just

Folly -> Polter -> Sentiels/Guardians -> Old Duke -> Providence/DoG -> Ravager -> Yharon -> Scal/Exo Mechs

oop

[real silo]

I like how the two evil nefarious creatures are right next to each other

od and dog

smug bastards

[split mortar]

I like the old duke resprite

[sleek halo]

ye

[split mortar]

Malevolent ass face

[sleek halo]

He looks like something closer related to auric dragons

[pliant ruin]

This is kind of agreeable..........

provi and

dog

being two separate paths,,,

one with the

distortion guys

and another with profaned guardians

thts cool,,

[sleek halo]

Ravager is just post them cause

Funky guy

[pliant ruin]

if i had it my way the only things id change would be

PBG -> Polter -> Deus -> Sentiels/Guardians -> Old Duke -> Providence/DoG -> Ravager -> Yharon -> Scal/Exo Mechs

[deft vessel]

I feel like folly should lore wise be hardmode

[sleek halo]

I also view Providence and DoG very equal in strength

[pliant ruin]

(deus as a post ml boss i am begging on my knees

[pliant ruin]

imo folly should b on the same tier as eidolon wyrms a miniboss

[sleek halo]

well deus as we fight him is actively controlled

he could genuinely be nerfed

[pliant ruin]

yeah but

[deft vessel]

Agreed

[pliant ruin]

fighting both of the astral bosses literally back to back and then having Literally No Content for the rest of the agme is so weird 😭

[sleek halo]

like my headcanon is

[pliant ruin]

plus i feel like its reasonable to have controlled deus be post ml even if thats probably now how strong it is canonically rn

[sleek halo]

Provi > unarmored DoG but equals armored DoG

[deft vessel]

It’s quite hard to make a lot of post-ml bosses as like more grounded creatures

[split mortar]

I’d say armoured is above provi since dog isn’t armoured the entire fight

[sleek halo]

Yea, but I just mean

He needs the armor

to match up to the stronger of gods

[pliant ruin]

provi being like the 3rd post ml boss did always feels wack

given how much of a

powerful presence she is

i think her being an alt to dog progression-wise would b alot more fitting

[sleek halo]

I’d still say even with this, both Provi and DoG would beat Ravager solely because it lacks a thinking mind

like it is stronger

slightly

[deft vessel]

I am annoyed that Terraria uses 2x2 pixels

[sleek halo]

but bro got no brain

[pliant ruin]

ravager brain is crush stomp cruhs stomp stomp kill maul maulcrush maul kill

[split mortar]

I mean when sentinels get reworked it would probably be be nice for them to be pre providence

After all they kinda are right now

[sleek halo]

true

[sleek halo]

yeah

Also polter should not be that strong

[deft vessel]

Tbh they feel like mini-bosses

[pliant ruin]

i agree

[sleek halo]

Under no circumstance ever should it be surpassing someone like Providence

[pliant ruin]

polter has

[split mortar]

I mean maybe polter is attacking our soul unlike many of the other bosses so it’s damage is much harder to block? Idk

[pliant ruin]

much less of a presence than provi

and is nowhere near as impactful to the lore

and just

even from hearing the basics of it

[split mortar]

I find it wack that folly is stronger then ml

[pliant ruin]

provi just sounds stronger

[split mortar]

Even when weakened

[sleek halo]

I mean imagine after getting your lower half ripped off

and made to sit on a moon

for like

[deft vessel]

That is complete bs

[sleek halo]

idk

[wheat walrus]

Dog solos he is universe level (unicersal collaps) nd procidence is star level (ate the sun)

[split mortar]

exactly

[sleek halo]

nearly a 1000 years

[split mortar]

A boss being further then one in porgression generally mean that they are stronger then the other

[sleek halo]

and then randomly unsealed

[pliant ruin]

old duke seems to be getting

much more lore relevance

and is gonna go from like

a random animal

into an actual character

[deft vessel]

Weaver feels khinda mindless
Void is like just a bullet Dodge event
And Signus is a complete pushover

[pliant ruin]

whos sapient n shit

[split mortar]

Providence doesn’t vibe in sun anymore

Oh wait you’re omni

[pliant ruin]

so i think its ok for him to be

rly strong

[deft vessel]

Yes

[sleek halo]

Old Duke definitely fits higher tiers of strength

[deft vessel]

The new signus sprite is so good

[split mortar]

Pretty sure a dev said that old duke would be stronger then jared if not for jared being blessed

So yeah they do

I feel like folly being post ml is prob some weird left over stuff from old lore

[pliant ruin]

from what weve heard

from triangl

old duke sort of singlehandedly fucked over both the sulphurous sea and its own species by being a selfish bastard

so i wonder how that'll go

like hes not just an animal anymore hes sapient and a piece of shit

[gaunt sluice]

I meant it's frickin backwards

[hoary berry]

i think i missed that entire discussion during my sleep or college

unfortunate

[pliant ruin]

it was less of a discussion and more so just triangle mentioning thing stbh

but ya

old duke is a nefarious selfish bastard now

we don't know how he singlehandedly fucked over his species and the sulphur sea but

the reason he lived so long is cuz of that

[wheat walrus]

Bro think he

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-king-ghidorah-smirk-smirking-smile-gif-21828756

[pliant ruin]

according to triangle OD was based of Evil Ape so

[wheat walrus]

Yea true saw that

I just thought of ghiddy first idk how

[deft vessel]

Who is evil ape?

[pliant ruin]

skar king from

monsterverse

i think thts what hes called anyways

[deft vessel]

Oh. I havent watched the newest film

[pliant ruin]

i havent watched it either i dont rly like mv butr i know theres a evil monkey

and also a fat lizrd

that has like ice powers

[sick void]

is there an official answer as to who wrote/is writing the bestiary? it's not yharim or draedon and i highly doubt the player or zoologist would know any of what's being written in it as you progress

[pliant ruin]

Nobody

It's not an actual in-universe thing

It got omnipresent knowledge

[indigo glade]

An omniscient writer.

[pliant ruin]

ye

omniscient* ya mb

[sick void]

man.

okay

[pliant ruin]

bestiary is meant to be a 100% unbiased omniscient writer

Basically the one source of completely objective info we have

[sick void]

that's very useful for us as a community at least. but for the player as a character, that would probably mean that we don't have access to any of that information since it's not diegetic

[pliant ruin]

ye

well unless you make your player someone who's omniscient i suppose. you technically can do that. player character being a blank template and all

[sick void]

that is true

thanks for the quick and clear response

[pliant ruin]

np!

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[split mortar]

Draedon is a second place though

[pliant ruin]

Draedon is reliable yeah but at the end oif the day he's still A Person so he still has a opinionated view on things even if its minuscule

hes not omniscient

(Ex, the astrum deus thing is just a theory and not actual Objective Correct Information)

[untold oracle]

God

[split mortar]

Hence why I said second place
They lack knowledge but with how they work they often don’t have much of at any bias

[pliant ruin]

ye

he's the next best thing

in terms of objectivity

[split mortar]

Yeah

[deft vessel]

Gave my oc a sprite

[split mortar]

Nice

[untold oracle]

I love it

Maybe move the head a bit left?

[gaunt sluice]

Yeah he stated that

[sick void]

I was unironically thinking that at first until I compared the way he talks to the way the bestiary is written

[untold oracle]

So did Fovos have the ability to permakill auric dragons?

[gaunt sluice]

No, he just unYharoned them

[split mortar]

I’d imagine so but no confirmation

[deft vessel]

Thats the same thing

[untold oracle]

Maybe they just were killed en masse, leaving a bunch of auric souls laying around to be consumed. I think that would explain why they were so thoroughly exterminated, as a regular person probably isn’t strong enough to kill one

But they could easily just do the ritual and consume a random soul

[split mortar]

I mean even weak dragons (gluttony) would probably take an entire normal army to kill

[untold oracle]

Random shot challenge: auric soul edition

[indigo glade]

People talk about Post-Moon Lord scaling be weird but not Pre-Hardmode.

[split mortar]

How is pre hm weird?

[indigo glade]

Slime God supposedly requires an army of Platinum armour clad soldiers to beat. And Hellstone is much stronger than Platinum, and probably would've been more accessible during Azafure's industrialisation. This means a small army with Hellstone gear could beat Slime God. Post-Evil 2 materials must have been extremely strong so that just a single person can beat Slime God alone.

[gaunt sluice]

But they no have deathbringer pickaxe

[pliant ruin]

I mean

I just view it as

[split mortar]

I mean, azafure was in the industrial age

[pliant ruin]

Gameplay progression is a incredibly bastardized version of what ''real life" would actually be like

So platinum armor fellows would b alot weaker than the actual stats of platinum armor

and hellstone would be a incredibly rare material due to

how difficult it'd be to obtain

[indigo glade]

Brimstone could be mined. Brimstone Slag has a required pickaxe power of 100%, so therefore they could also mine Hellstone.

[deft vessel]

Depends on the accesibilty of potions

[pliant ruin]

being in the underworld's wilderness + incredibly hot + requiring powerful pickaxes

[gaunt sluice]

Unless they just suck and can't get off the brimstone crags but point taken

[split mortar]

I mean most natural wings can’t break hellstone so the normal person even in azafure prob didn’t have it

[pliant ruin]

I don't think

brimstone slag

is actual brimstone

[high lynx]

The flower needed for the potion grows in the inderworld

Not sulfur or not brimstone

[indigo glade]

Infernal Suevite then? That's even higher, at 150% pickaxe power.

[pliant ruin]

Infernal suevite are the remnants of azafure's destruction

it's not an natural ore i don't think

[high lynx]

They were one of the most technologically advanced civilization

[pliant ruin]

specially cuz the ruined buildings themselves have parts of it thta are

[split mortar]

Infernal suevite was bathed in magics beyond any god but xeroc

[pliant ruin]

melted into suevite

anyways the way i see it

if you want to mine hellstone

you'd have to

[indigo glade]

They are from the Brimstone Elemental.

"A lava slime that has absorbed pieces of the charred stone left behind by the Brimstone Elemental. Despite its simple nature, these creatures are just as much of a threat as the rest of the Crag’s current inhabitants."

[pliant ruin]

ye so

they wouldnt have that

cuz it was created due to brimmy incinerating things

[split mortar]

And brimmy had power beyond providence at the time

[high lynx]

Brimstone ele is the one that killed them remember

[gaunt sluice]

On the wiki it says that Cal blowing the place up is what caused it to spawn

[high lynx]

They were both there

[warm gull]

breathing in 10000 square meters of toxic gasses rn

[gaunt sluice]

Yea

[split mortar]

Brimstone started destroying shit first and cal horribly failed at stopping her

[gaunt sluice]

Yeah

[high lynx]

The leading theory i know of is that scal got her powers from brimstone elemental

[split mortar]

Only way I can see brim being so much weaker

[gaunt sluice]

Apparently that's Draedon's leading theory as well

[indigo glade]

Anyways, this doesn't change the fact that they could mine Brimstone Slag. Their houses were made of Brimstone Slabs, which require Brimstone SLags, so they could have mined it.

[deft vessel]

Would make Sense being the brimstone Witch after all

[gaunt sluice]

Le Vamprie

[indigo glade]

Wiki isn't confirmation of lore.

[pliant ruin]

go into the underworld, which shouldnt be too hard given azafure is a huge city and probs would have paths that lead to it safely or mostly safely, but then you'd have to go into the wilderness of the underworld which is not only obviously dangerous because of all the hostile creatures but also there's lava everywhere so you'd need alot of special equipment and/or potions (even for the fumes alone tbh)
and even if you're well equipped for exploring the wilderness, you'd have to then have a powerful enough tool to mine hellstone and dive into Fucking Lava to get it most of the time

[high lynx]

Has that been explicitly stated

[gaunt sluice]

Ik but it's also called suevite

[pliant ruin]

Like i do not think most people would be prepared to mine hellstone

Azafure could

[gaunt sluice]

I mean yeah he personally says that to you

[pliant ruin]

But if anything

i imagine the ppl who mined hellstone n other materials as such would be like

well equipped professionals

rather than

random guy 300

[warm gull]

that's my name

pls no doxx

[high lynx]

Or they used machines

[split mortar]

Yeah cause hellstone drops lava so it would be a big hazard

[pliant ruin]

but you're daiquiri :/

[high lynx]

They were the most technologically advanced place before draedon came along, werent they?

[warm gull]

me on a good day on a bad day

[indigo glade]

My point wasn't that a random person could access them. My point was that an army utilising these materials could be made.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but

It'd not be your

everyday army

[dusk laurel]

ive been doxxed

[pliant ruin]

so i still think its reasonable

like a armor conmsisted of only or mostly soldiers w hellstone equipment would be like

[split mortar]

Yeah but it was Industrial Revolution, still like 150 years away from irl

[pliant ruin]

rare, i imagine

if anything the only city i can see

having that type of equipment

would b azafure itself

[split mortar]

Plus they would prob be part of the yharmy

[high lynx]

If you think about it, how many armour sets are between platinum and hellstone

[pliant ruin]

and i think its entirely reasonable that slime god would want to stay the fuck away from azafure lmao

[high lynx]

Isnt slime god dead

[indigo glade]

None, really. There are the Pre-Boss armours, then Mage and Rogue have Jungle armour and Sulphurous armour respectively for Post-Eye of Cthulhu, then it is Post-Evil 1 armours.

[split mortar]

Like the average army thing for slime god is prob 100 slightly skilled people on tungsten

[high lynx]

Didnt he become queen slime

[pliant ruin]

after we kill it yeah

[high lynx]

Well it runs away the first time doesnt it

[pliant ruin]

ye

[gaunt sluice]

Or one random guy with less skill issues

[split mortar]

That’s us

[indigo glade]

Can't run away the second time.

: )

[warm gull]

it fucking dies the second time

gets stuck

[high lynx]

Tactical retreat

[pliant ruin]

"slime god is benevolent" mfers when slime god attacks us for no reason in a fight to death Twice

[gaunt sluice]

Exactly

[pliant ruin]

It not only did that but it did it twice

[warm gull]

slime god is just weird

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[warm gull]

idk what its plan was

[split mortar]

I mean how much control did slime god have during queen slime fight?

[high lynx]

Least weird god fr

He is sensible

[warm gull]

-yharim

[indigo glade]

First time we were just killing their factory workers. The second time they're just being a dick.

[split mortar]

Did slime god control queen slime during the fight?

[pliant ruin]

like. ok man why don't you just like. calm down. talk it out. ill stop killing your slimes i Didn't Fucking Know you don't have to Kill me

i'm a firm believer slime god is not a good guy

evil? no, probably not

[split mortar]

I’d say neutral

[pliant ruin]

yeah

i agree w that

[indigo glade]

Slime God is very aggressive.

[gaunt sluice]

We summon this man

[high lynx]

Think about it the god seeker is after you and you do anything but run?

[sleek halo]

I mean you did like

[indigo glade]

Chaotic Good?

[split mortar]

Most boss summons not canon

[sleek halo]

kill…

[pliant ruin]

Not good

Highly disagree with Good

[sleek halo]

a few slimes

[gaunt sluice]

Ah okay so it just happens

[pliant ruin]

An actually Good character wouldn't just
Fight us to death giving us no chance for Explaining ourselves because we Inconvenienced them

[sleek halo]

also you probably threw the balance of the corruption and crimson off

[split mortar]

Like half the time we’re just getting jumped

[indigo glade]

I mean.

[split mortar]

If not more

[indigo glade]

Let say I walked up to the Pale King from Hallownest.

[high lynx]

Isnt the point of the crusades because no god is good?

[indigo glade]

Killed all the siblings.

[pliant ruin]

Some, gods are good

yharims just a dick

otonilou and tyrian r canonically good guys

[high lynx]

Yeah

[gaunt sluice]

Because all the gods individually ate a dragon

[indigo glade]

Do you think the Pale King would try to reason with us?

[pliant ruin]

I mean

[split mortar]

This ain’t hollowknight

[pliant ruin]

the siblings aren't trying to kill us

Not until they

[high lynx]

Like from hollow knight?

[pliant ruin]

yknow

turn unto void goop

and at that point PK is fucking dead

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[high lynx]

I haven’t beat that game

[sleek halo]

I mean there is definitely some

[pliant ruin]

Like

[high lynx]

Astruem arues

[sleek halo]

worry about them probably having killed

[split mortar]

And we also attack ourselves when void goop

[high lynx]

Or however you spell that

[sleek halo]

an auric dragon

obviously not all of them were good

[indigo glade]

I don't think people like reasoning with other people that try to destroy stuff meant to contain Actual Evil™️.

[high lynx]

Not gods

[gaunt sluice]

Aureus is the robot, deus is the space worm

[high lynx]

Dragons arent gods though

[sleek halo]

but I doubt most auric dragons deserved to die

[pliant ruin]

BUt like

[high lynx]

My bad

[pliant ruin]

the containers were literally Attacking Us

and we had no way to Know

slime god couldve just "dont do that man thats not cool"

[indigo glade]

Do...

[gaunt sluice]

I mean the Dragon of Doing Explicitly Evil Things probably should

[pliant ruin]

slime god is not benevolent and im dying on this hill

[indigo glade]

Do slimes know what attacking means?

[pliant ruin]

yes

its their way of hunting

[indigo glade]

What is intelligence...

[pliant ruin]

jump on things digest

[sleek halo]

It’s a balance keeper seemingly

[high lynx]

What god do we know that is benevolent

[indigo glade]

Is humanity intelligent?

[sleek halo]

and you kinda

[high lynx]

Silva?

[sleek halo]

fuck up the balance

[pliant ruin]

Otonilou

Tyrian

[indigo glade]

What makes us sapient and not the slimes?

[pliant ruin]

Only confirmed good guys rn

[gaunt sluice]

No.

[high lynx]

Who the frick are those

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but again

Just

[indigo glade]

Why do we put ourselves on a higher ground of intelligence without proof.

[pliant ruin]

Why fight someone to the death without giving them any chance for explanation twice because they killed a few of your slimes which you can make more of

[sleek halo]

Well

you find slime god

[split mortar]

The entire hallowed

[indigo glade]

What if slimes knew the reason to all things in the known universe...

[sleek halo]

the second time

[pliant ruin]

Like that's just a Incovenience at best

[sleek halo]

it doesn’t find you

it’s literally mid way through becoming

[gaunt sluice]

And that's why they just be normal

[sleek halo]

or inhabiting it’s vessel

[pliant ruin]

And it still attacks you, given it's not a initially passive boss like AS

Though

Melon did bring up a good point which is that

[indigo glade]

What if slime is the ultimate form...

[pliant ruin]

It might not be fully in control

[indigo glade]

What if we...

need to...

Return to Slime...

[pliant ruin]

Besides that

If slime god was a good guy

[gaunt sluice]

Blasphemy

[pliant ruin]

that'd go against the entire thing

calamity has

[gaunt sluice]

The ultimate form is crab

[sleek halo]

I mean

[high lynx]

Was slime god always slime

[pliant ruin]

of no Benevolent characters being killed

[high lynx]

I forgor

[sudden ruin]

no

[pliant ruin]

no they were a person once

[sudden ruin]

he was human

[sleek halo]

Nothing explicitly states that SG went out of their way

the second time

You could’ve definitely initiated it considering uh

[indigo glade]

We need to stop deadnaming.

[sleek halo]

he just fought you

[indigo glade]

Let's call them Queen Slime from now on.

[high lynx]

So mayhaps its a preforator hive situation

[pliant ruin]

The way i see it

Unless a boss has a specific method of Provoking it such as attacking AS or destroying the larva for QB

[split mortar]

Slime god ain’t actually trans

[pliant ruin]

they attacked us first

[sudden ruin]

slime god they them ?!

[high lynx]

Wild beast act as wild beast do

[indigo glade]

Blasphemy.

[sleek halo]

I do think however

[split mortar]

Cheese went on a full rant about it a bit ago

[pliant ruin]

slime god is whtrver you want to call them but i think the jokes about them being trans have gotten too far bc people genuinely seem to believe that now

[sleek halo]

Killing slime god

is a particularly bad call

[high lynx]

Slime god is a god

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i don't think slime god is

Bad for the world

i just think the fact

[high lynx]

Slime god is dead

[sudden ruin]

slime god seem chill

[pliant ruin]

almost the entire lore community

[sleek halo]

It’s inherently good for it

for what it does

[gaunt sluice]

Slime god be as slime god do

[indigo glade]

Slime God's a dick.

[pliant ruin]

seems to believe slime god is a good guy purely based on 1 information we have without considering the other context

is kind of strange

[indigo glade]

Had a round 2 of us while they were trapped in their stupid Hallow Paladin.

[pliant ruin]

same could b said for silva cuz like w know nothing abt her yet alot of people seem to think she's benevolent

not saying that she isn't

[high lynx]

Erm i think that slime god is a slime

[sleek halo]

I mean I have an idea

What is SG accidentally inherited traits from the crimson/corruption

While keeping it in check

[pliant ruin]

but i also think its too early to say if silva is Benevolent or Neutral

Evil is like almost certainly a no given

braelor

but

[high lynx]

I dont think so but the chat once were talking about how she wouldnt fight you

[pliant ruin]

yea

[pliant ruin]

yeah she dosent have any reason to that we know of

[indigo glade]

Silva helps us once, so that's pretty cool.

[split mortar]

I mean she also is a elemental, maybe her domain becoming life may mean she seeks to make life everywhere prosper but she still very inhuman in her thought process

[high lynx]

Can i has braelor axe please

[indigo glade]

No.

[sleek halo]

I feel like that’d be pre ascension

[pliant ruin]

i mean

[gaunt sluice]

Hæh

[sleek halo]

After ascension I feel like she’d get more of a human like thought process

[pliant ruin]

maybe once you get braelor npc he gives you the axe or something

[high lynx]

Mr Draedon can you teach me how to make that thing similarly to how braelors axe was made

[pliant ruin]

maybe he sells a replica to you

[high lynx]

And i hang it up in my house and pass it down for generations

[pliant ruin]

(Legally Distinct) Braelor's Axe

[indigo glade]

Wow. You want to leave Braelor stuck in the Distortion without a weapon.

[pliant ruin]

I was thinking after you get him out

He's like

Thank you you're so cool

have this as a gift

and he gives you his axe

[sleek halo]

You’d have to break the seal on CV

so it’d likely be open

[mighty zenith]

do you think statis and braelor are open to a threesome relationship

[high lynx]

Why can terrarian not become scientist

[indigo glade]

No.

[mighty zenith]

:<

[pliant ruin]

Maybe

[gaunt sluice]

We is

[pliant ruin]

Who could even join though

[mighty zenith]

me

[split mortar]

I mean he can fight yharim on near equal footing, distortion ain’t going to be THAT lethal to him he will not be able to handle it

[indigo glade]

They pretty much do.

[pliant ruin]

understood

[high lynx]

Then why draedon get annoyed at our stupidness

[sleek halo]

I don’t think their relationship is very healthy rn

[pliant ruin]

your gay polycule will be real in 3 seconds

[mighty zenith]

yippe

[indigo glade]

You are able to decipher Draedon's schematics, and also able to engineer said weaponry from schematics.

[mighty zenith]

anyway uh

[pliant ruin]

It's probably in a rough place

But i

[high lynx]

Lets go baby

[pliant ruin]

Do really want them to get a happy ending together

[sleek halo]

Considering uh, well being trapped in the distortion for like

a year

[indigo glade]

You also made the machine to make the decipherer.

[sleek halo]

alone

[mighty zenith]

stress is making me unhinged

[pliant ruin]

The only couple in calamity (and a gay one too) being split would be Sad.....

[sleek halo]

I mean

I hope there’s a quest

[pliant ruin]

give me a little bit of toxic doomed yaoi but let them have a happy ending plea

[indigo glade]

Use Cheat Sheet if that will make you happier.

[sleek halo]

to reunite them

[split mortar]

Same, just let us get this little happy bit

[pliant ruin]

I mean we will get braelor out of the distortion

that much is confirmed

its just the

Aftermath

that is the issue

[high lynx]

Now can i invent space time breaking and go back in time and tell old me that silksong is still not out

[sleek halo]

I wonder if Braelor got

weakened

in the distortion

probably isn’t good for him

[high lynx]

I wonder if Braelor got

Rizz

[indigo glade]

Anyways.

[split mortar]

Couple counsellor questline

[sleek halo]

Also the distortion might impact him more severely if he was actually blessed by Silva

[high lynx]

Do the moon lord thing

[indigo glade]

I require sustenance. I will eat human food.

[indigo glade]

Made by, with and for humans.

[pliant ruin]

horror

[indigo glade]

Do not be scared, Cheese.

[sleek halo]

Considering how Braelors weapon was made

[indigo glade]

You are cheese, and therefore not human food.

[sleek halo]

do you guys think it’s tougher than Auric

[split mortar]

I wonder if braelor will have a little camp that is like a little safe hub in distortion

[indigo glade]

Airic.

[pliant ruin]

yaay

[sleek halo]

Tho it would also be cool if it was cracked and chipped

during the fight

[split mortar]

Yes, but it will snap and not bend

[sleek halo]

same with Yharim’s armor

[indigo glade]

anyways im actually getting hungry bye

[split mortar]

Also not by mich

Bye

[sleek halo]

Honestly

I wonder if Exo metal

is overall more durable

than Auric

[high lynx]

Isnt it nanobots at least a little bit

[sleek halo]

I don’t think so

[high lynx]

Like self healing or some scifi thing like that

[sleek halo]

Thanatos has a very specific version

seemingly

[high lynx]

Tony stark ahh description

[split mortar]

Cosmolite can bend more then auric

The alloy prob loses its flexibility for a basically less good mock attuned auric in terms of how strong it is

I’d imagine Thanatos def is better then auric

[sleek halo]

Thanatos def is

[high lynx]

Wait what is exo plating made of

[split mortar]

But would brake like a rock and not bend

[sleek halo]

It’s extremely heavy

[split mortar]

Cosmolite and some other stuff

[sleek halo]

I think it’d bend before breaking

[high lynx]

Oh thanks

I just didnt remember the base

[sleek halo]

it has to be able to be somewhat flexibile

[split mortar]

True

[sleek halo]

considering Thanatos needs to move

[high lynx]

He is the most shmooving of the three

[sleek halo]

especially with tight turns

[sleek halo]

actually

[split mortar]

But I imagine the Exo alloy is generally worse then auric

[sleek halo]

not really

[high lynx]

Moving parts and such

[sleek halo]

his armor is so heavy

he’s the slowest of the 4

[split mortar]

The twins are the fastest id assume

[high lynx]

Right but the other dont bend as much

[sleek halo]

Yea

[high lynx]

Cept ares

His arms bend

In case you didnt remember

Draedon is the best character so far

[pliant ruin]

hes great but not my favorite

[high lynx]

Who’s yours

And im saying the ones that have appeared ingame

[gaunt sluice]

Cal

[high lynx]

And yharim

[pliant ruin]

calamitas

by a mile

[high lynx]

Understandable

[pliant ruin]

idk whts my second place

[gaunt sluice]

Cal is objectively better

[pliant ruin]

hard to pick

[mighty zenith]

I used to think draedon was my favorite

[high lynx]

Most interesting

[mighty zenith]

but I've started appreciating Yharim's writing much more

[scarlet pecan]

100% Callie for me

[mighty zenith]

he's absolutely my favorite now

[gaunt sluice]

Subjectively objectively better

[pliant ruin]

i almost wanna say devourer but its less that hes my 2nd favorite and more so that i think his characterization is fkin hilarious and amusing

so prob not him

[mighty zenith]

I don't really have an opinion on doggo

[high lynx]

If there was a calamity anime it would probably follow cal for the first season

[sleek halo]

I cannot really have a favorite

[pliant ruin]

I think 2nd place might honestly go to yharim

[sleek halo]

a lot of characters

[pliant ruin]

maybe draedon

[sleek halo]

lack characterization

[pliant ruin]

i feel like

yeah

alot characters just

dont have much rn

[sleek halo]

They just are missing lore

[mighty zenith]

yeahh

[scarlet pecan]

i still really like Anahita tbh

[pliant ruin]

like i love amidias, perma, statis and braelor for what they are rn but its mostly just personal attachment

[mighty zenith]

thats why yharim is my favorite mostly

[high lynx]

I go off vibes

[pliant ruin]

cuz they rly

do not have much going on in there

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

rn

[mighty zenith]

only like
3 characters have much depth to them currently

[sleek halo]

even with patreon stuff

[high lynx]

Favorite and best dont have to be the same

[sleek halo]

it’s not much

as of rn

[indigo glade]

I am back.

[pliant ruin]

i think in terms of Best it'd either be

yharim or calamitas

[indigo glade]

(Temporarily.)

[sleek halo]

For me

writing wise

[high lynx]

The best character in the mod is calamitas as of now

[sleek halo]

I’d say Yharim is written the best

[pliant ruin]

yea thats agreeable

[sleek halo]

currently

[high lynx]

But my favorite will forever be draedon

[mighty zenith]

makes sense

[high lynx]

Hes so me fr

[sleek halo]

My issue with Draedon

[pliant ruin]

yharim is a fantasticly written villain

[mighty zenith]

he's the most prominent character next to the unfeeling robot

[indigo glade]

Favourite character? Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

Draedon isnt

[sleek halo]

is he’s less so a character, and a lot more

info dump

[pliant ruin]

2nd place

because yeah

[high lynx]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

he dosen't have

[high lynx]

I love him

[pliant ruin]

much of a personality or morals or interesting nuanced themes to explore

he's amazing

dont get me wrong

[high lynx]

Hes the best

[sudden ruin]

i think it makes sense though

[sleek halo]

It does

It’s just not as interesting to me

[sudden ruin]

hes a robo bot

[mighty zenith]

draedon is excellent with what he is

[pliant ruin]

but he's inherently not a very "characterized" character

[mighty zenith]

but he isn't
much

[sudden ruin]

observer everything

[sleek halo]

Someone like Permafrost interests me

[pliant ruin]

yeagh

exactly

[sleek halo]

because he seems

contradictory

[high lynx]

Hes not the best

But he is my favorite

[sleek halo]

He doesn’t like violence, but he supported Yharim

[sudden ruin]

woah theres gonna be permafrost content in wrath of the gods next update

[pliant ruin]

clueless old man...

[sleek halo]

So what pushed him enough

[mighty zenith]

i reaaally want perma to be explored more

[dusk laurel]

im intrigued by perma's origins

[sleek halo]

To support

Yharim

[pliant ruin]

i mean

origins wise

i assume hes just

old guy

[sleek halo]

Knowing that it’d cause

[pliant ruin]

studied alot of magic

went to Mage School or smth idk

[sleek halo]

well I think the gods may’ve genuinely fucked him over

in the past

[indigo glade]

Draedon would work better as a character in a Story rather than a character in Lore.

[sleek halo]

badly enough he’d support Yharim through his war effort

[high lynx]

Im heavily biased because i read all of god of high school and one of the main antagonists uses science

[sleek halo]

even while disliking violence

[scarlet pecan]

see part of me also struggles to participate in this conversation since a lot of other good chunks of characterization come from headcanon writings ive done soooooo...

[high lynx]

Mankinds creation

[gaunt sluice]

Tell pls

[scarlet pecan]

otherwise I'd be going on about Illumina again lmao

[high lynx]

Science is cooler than gods

[mighty zenith]

i mean if we're talking personal preference then this guy is on the top of the list

the issue is that

he's literally nothing

i love him dearly but there's nothing to him

[pliant ruin]

Amidias and Permafrost seem like two characters that could get along well
They're both pacifists who got fucked over by yharim in a way
I like to think Perma is more so Stressed and dealing with volatile emotions whilst Amidias is calmer and more collected and rather than Regrets and Stress he's just kind of sad, but still moving on from the past, or trying to
And them being friends could be a cool dynamic

[high lynx]

Dont they have npc dialogue

[pliant ruin]

Idk if they do but its

outdated anyways

[high lynx]

About each other

Amidas says something about calamitas

[indigo glade]

They give me "Old, wise mentor" vibes but in different ways.

It is hard to explain

[gaunt sluice]

Other way around as well

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i like to think

Perma is more rigid and he's

stressed out

over the current state of things and how he helped yharim and regrets it deeply

Whilst Amidias is

definitely not fully Ok, he has alot of sorrow over what happened to his people

but he's trying to move on

[high lynx]

I believe he says something along the lines of “blah blah many people have forgiven her blah blah the one who has not forgiven her is herself blah blah”

I dont remember

[pliant ruin]

I think perma would like

[indigo glade]

I guess a good example to compare this to would be in Avatar: The Last Airbender, Jeong Jeong and the Sun Warriors have different philosophy about Firebending, but they're still both "old, wise mentors".

[scarlet pecan]

basically, one's stuck in the past while the other's struggling to move on it

[pliant ruin]

Spend hours at a time studying magic and such

And strategizing

[gaunt sluice]

And then cal is 'why he no hate me me no get it'

[pliant ruin]

To find a way to defeat yharim alongside his newfound allies such as the terrarian

And amidias would b like

the guy who would go up to him and say

"you gotta chill out a bit"

haha pun

[high lynx]

Science is just cooler magic

[gaunt sluice]

The dad humor is incredible

[indigo glade]

Imagine if Permafrost could give useful advice to bosses he would have knowledge on.

[high lynx]

At least in calamity

[gaunt sluice]

Isn't it the other way around

[high lynx]

No

[sleek halo]

Well

[indigo glade]

Like Hallow Mechs, Calamitas and even Yharim.

[sleek halo]

I think Amidias wouldn’t dissuade him

From planning against Yharim

[pliant ruin]

I don't think amidias would stop him

he'd just

tell him he has to Calm Down a bit

And that he's wearing himself out

[sleek halo]

I mean

[high lynx]

Giant death lazer that has the same burning as the brimstone witch is much more cool than brimstone witch fire burn hot

[sleek halo]

I think Amidias being the only to say it

would honestly kind of make

Perma feel

Guilty

[spare pier]

Amidias is a pacifist but he isn't a Saint

[sleek halo]

I mean his daughter is the reason

[scarlet pecan]

"Permafrost, you're at a 10 right now, we need you at like a 2."

[sleek halo]

well

Adopted basically

[pliant ruin]

I mean i don't think he's a saint he definitely wouldn't be against killing yharim

[sleek halo]

But the reason the dudes entire kingdom

is gone

[pliant ruin]

I just think that if he theoretically

befriended perma

he'd be like

[spare pier]

Yharim still ordered the motherfucking INCINERATION of his kingdom AND PEOPLE

[high lynx]

Wouldn’t a pre hardmode weapon like the jailor be cool

[sleek halo]

Scal gets a pss

Yharim however..

[high lynx]

Sunken sea item

[sleek halo]

Yeah idk bout that one

[pliant ruin]

perma wears himself out entirely and then he goes to the Eventual Yharim fight and he's like

[spare pier]

Oh wait you're talking about Amidias to Perma

[pliant ruin]

🧟

fight me yharim. fight me