lore-discussion

[warm gull]

So yeah I'd say he does

[pliant ruin]

Most definitely cares abt him

Yharim wouldn't kill Yharon either

like

ever

even if Yharon disobeyed him he wouldn't

His entire moral compass is 'Dragon Good God Bad'

if Yharon told him "hey i think we should blow up the moon itd be cool" he would do it

[rotund shore]

Yharim and yharon blowing up the moon would be #BFFgoals fr fr

[wooden dagger]

what are the charctersin this photo
all i noticed is yharim and yharon

[reef nova]

Do y'all think Yharon likes Terrarians as creatures? I'm asking because I think I'd be really cool if he did

[real silo]

Presumably yharim's knights

[wooden dagger]

doesnt that make them like bosses before yharim?

or maybe the boss fight of yharim them being like the guardians to yharim

that u must fight them before fighting yharim?

[real silo]

they're all dead

[wooden dagger]

how

[real silo]

their souls got put into the destroyer

[wooden dagger]

yea but uh they are 4 not 3

[real silo]

this thing predates lore rewrite by like 5 years

[wooden dagger]

wha

[real silo]

the artwork

[spring helm]

I’m surprised Yharim never tried to throw hands with Moon Lord

[real silo]

yharim had elite warriors back then but they never had any backstory

[wooden dagger]

o

maybe they will apeart in the yhairm's lore

[spring helm]

I’m pretty sure they’re all dead

[real silo]

even after lore rewrite all we know about his knights is that they used hallowed armor and then died and got their souls put into destroyer

[wooden dagger]

maybe the black line under yharim is prob DoG and the 2 knights with knight's helmet are scal's brothers and the other 2 are scal and draedon

[reef nova]

I just want to know if Yharon likes being pet. Devs really should put some more chill lore like this ngl

[wooden dagger]

ohh

[reef nova]

from time to time

[real silo]

No there's no dog there

That tail is yharon's tail

[reef nova]

Ehhh

[real silo]

the rest of the characters are nobodies

They're not important

[reef nova]

Dang

[wooden dagger]

i mean that whole black line

not his tail

[reef nova]

Can't be DoG

It's...

way out of shape

but then again

[wooden dagger]

quite of lol

[reef nova]

another resprite is in the work

So maybe

[real silo]

those are just black shapes

[reef nova]

Maybe it's Yharim's cape kind of like

[real silo]

If it was intended to be dog the head would've been way more visible

[reef nova]

stretching out

y'know what I mean?

[wooden dagger]

maybe

[reef nova]

Check this GIF out I found the other day

https://tenor.com/view/calamity-terraria-yharon-jungle-dragon-pat-gif-10486467131489662312

[reef nova]

Literally what most of us would do if we saw Yharon irl

[wooden dagger]

i think bro loves yharon

[reef nova]

Who doesn't love chicken nuggets?

He's just so floofy

[wooden dagger]

nah he would prob burn you to ashes before u get to touch him

[reef nova]

Well

small talk is fine by me

Oh right

he cannonicaly can't talk

shit

uhm

Well

uh

I would...

uhm...

Politely ask permission to hug or pet him

[wispy pebble]

What happened to yharims army

[reef nova]

Pretty sure they're dead

As stated above

their souls were put into the mechs

Buuut I don't know for sure

So don't take me for granted

[wispy pebble]

Thank you

[solar wharf]

aww, a genocidal little bird dragon

[reef nova]

I'm pretty sure dragons were actually kind-hearted when they were still alive

[solar wharf]

no

[reef nova]

I'm guessing Yharon is aswell

[solar wharf]

yes and no

[reef nova]

Fr?

[solar wharf]

dragons were like humans

[reef nova]

Explain

[solar wharf]

some bad some nice

providence entry

[reef nova]

Wings of fire moment

[solar wharf]

we got confirmation

that the beast entry

is that whats it called?

iforgo

but thats beside the point

we got confirmation that its non biased

that means anything it says is objective truth or atleast not influenced by factions

in the providence entry

it was said providence killed the flame dragon and absorbed its soul

with rightful rage

for rage to justify murder, that dragon must have done something more fucked than murder

there are also things like dragons of death, which you can argue isnt evil but it doesnt matter when taking someone life is pretty fucked

obviously then we have zeratros, who probably is a nice guy

dragon of life couldv been nice too

[hoary cape]

I used to read those books lol

[solar wharf]

and yharon also commited genocide

killed at minimum 150m people i think cei said

i forgor

[reef nova]

Damn

Well

shit

That stings

considering I thought Yharon was nice guy deep inside

Do you know what his view is on Terrarians?

I swear it's rare to see a Dragon actually liking humans or something close to them

Idk

Yap fest from me fr

[sinful adder]

This can simply mean that they felt they were righteous. Alternatively, they used to be good but turned evil

[sinful adder]

The power of friendship is not exclusive to good guys

[reef nova]

Not what I meant

Eh, whatever

[sinful adder]

Ok, but there's also no indication that Yharon is good anywhere

[reef nova]

Dang

Okay

My question

is

WERE THERE ACTUALLY ANY FUCKING DRAGONS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT NICE?

We don't know too much about Zeratros

Auuuugh

All I'm hoping for is a confirmation that some dragons were nice and huggable

[real silo]

vetrasyl is probably pretty nice

guardian dragon of the sky civilisation

And again zeratros too probably

[sinful adder]

I doubt it

I suspect the dragons were mostly racist assholes just based on the fact that they were the strongest around, and power does that to people

[reef nova]

That sounds reassuring

[reef nova]

Again

wings of fire

Gee

I pray that in the next update we get to know dragons more

mainly the GOOD ones please

[real silo]

wait until sky island update or smth

[reef nova]

The ones I can make on c.ai and attempt to satiate my urge to hug a dragon

[reef nova]

I guess that would be needed anyway

[spring helm]

Yharon may have been nice once upon a time
Too bad he watched his entire race die forever when it was his job to make sure they lived eternally

[warm gull]

entroy

[spring helm]

Blurg

No calamity fanfic today, I’m playing Roblox dragon ball game

Super saiyan

Arg

[reef nova]

I just want to hug a dragon

Is it too much to ask

[real silo]

turn into a dragon

hug yourself

win

[reef nova]

No

I will only be human

[real silo]

this is fair

[reef nova]

I like being a human

Okay?

[real silo]

This is fully understandable

[spring helm]

Yharim, about to start his Crusade circa 1781

[real silo]

I love women but I wouldn't want to be one

[reef nova]

Wait

hold on

isn't Yharim basicaly hitler?

[real silo]

yes

auric hitler

[spring helm]

Basically

[reef nova]

💀

[spring helm]

Yhar jar

[pliant ruin]

woah what happened here

[reef nova]

...

[pliant ruin]

big convo in lore discussion.... rare event

[reef nova]

Uhh

Nothing

[pliant ruin]

well

a big convo that dosen'ty involve only the 10 active lore chat members that is

[reef nova]

🤷‍♂️

[real silo]

am I 10% of that

[reef nova]

A convo about who is the goodest dragon of them all

[soft geyser]

Cheese ?

We have two cheese

[real silo]

chise

[spring helm]

Sometimes new people come here and it’s like a scientist adding a new species to an isolated culture

[reef nova]

Ouch?

[pliant ruin]

THATS

LITERALLY THE BEST ANALOGY EVER THANK YOU

[spring helm]

(Affectionate)

[solar wharf]

there is no word or any implication whatsoever that it was "feeling" especially when the wording said "with rightful fury"

[reef nova]

[solar wharf]

you can take it that way but it makes no sense

u'd need reasons as to why

[soft geyser]

Do you know me

[real silo]

that's also bestiary which is 100% unbiased

[solar wharf]

the statement is pretty explict is what im saying

[soft geyser]

Like have you seen me here

[spring helm]

Well the calamity parts are non-biased

[pliant ruin]

sometimes

[reef nova]

Can you tell me...which dragon is the goodest boy/girl of them all?

[spring helm]

The devs still haven’t gotten around to rewriting the vanilla sections

[reef nova]

I need to know

I NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER BOT

[spring helm]

Probably won’t either, kinda pointless

[soft geyser]

Alright did you change your name to cheese as in the word

[spring helm]

Cheese the Brain Hater

Same person

[soft geyser]

Alright got it

[spring helm]

Yharon

[reef nova]

After what I've read here

[pliant ruin]

Yharon is like really bad

[reef nova]

I'm having doubts

[spring helm]

Yhat

[pliant ruin]

He's like

Wait no

that sounds weird

nvm

[reef nova]

If Yharim is basically hitler

[solar wharf]

zeratros didnt seem racist and was confirmed to be best friends with xeroc, a human, although xeroc couldv also been an asshole, im just going off of implications and valid reasons to believe to why a dragon is good, silva seems to be good in nature, reason of belief is braelor who went against genocide, if the embodiment of life is good, then it isnt too far off to assume the dragon of life might have been a good boy/girl that took care of life

[soft geyser]

He is the most loyal pet

[reef nova]

What would it make Dradeon?

Stalin?

[pliant ruin]

Draedon is a guy

[spring helm]

Draedon would be a modern day capitalist

Except swap greed for money with greed for knowledge

[solar wharf]

draedon is a guy as in he/him, but he does not have any organs to you know

[soft geyser]

Isn't he an ant

[spring helm]

Braent

[reef nova]

AAAAAAH THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE INSPIRATION I NEEDED

[real silo]

I headcanon dragon of death as a lonely mf

no one wants to be around the guy that can kill you accidentally

[spring helm]

Nobody want to hang around death except for weirdos

[reef nova]

Ouch

Look man

If it's a DEATH dragon

[rotund shore]

Or thanos in the comics

[real silo]

which is why he just lazes around in a forest away from everyone else

[reef nova]

I'm all here for him/her

[spring helm]

If you want to be close to death you are at least a little weird

[real silo]

now this is assuming that he can only cause death

[reef nova]

Hm

[real silo]

If he can prevent death it's a whole nother story

[spring helm]

And then they got jumped by the would-be god of sacrifices

[reef nova]

Maybe

But like

It's like saying

Dragon of life

Silva

can prevent life

[solar wharf]

dragon death is either evil or gray, he cant be good because death is hard to justify

dragon of death*

[real silo]

yeah if dragon of death can prevent death then dragon of life can probably take life

[spring helm]

Auric souls come from the world soul right?

[real silo]

so they're the same powers but slightly different

[solar wharf]

if i remember right ye?

not sure

[reef nova]

We don't know about dragons too much yet

ugh

[spring helm]

No need to justify it then, the concept of death probably had been around much longer than the dragons

[soft geyser]

Guys hear me out drawdon created yharim

[reef nova]

Makes me wonder

[solar wharf]

i dont believe all or majority of dragons were assholes, them having sapience would atleast imply some freedom of morality there

[reef nova]

How would the Dragon of death come to be

then?

[solar wharf]

but you know, humans being the only example, we dont know if sapience needs to come with morality

[real silo]

Regular dragon + auric soul of death

[reef nova]

I think I'm gonna have to shoot you right there, pal.

[real silo]

Boom dragon of death

[reef nova]

Oh

right

[solar wharf]

especially when you consider we got ours from scriptures

[reef nova]

guess so

[spring helm]

Idk about that, babies seem to have a sense of justice

[soft geyser]

Draedon most likely has stronger creations

Then the exos

[solar wharf]

innate morality yes

i was talking about morality in general

[real silo]

he doesn't

[solar wharf]

things such as self defense, whether thats moral or not

[real silo]

not yet at least

[solar wharf]

we got those from scriptures

[spring helm]

Scriptures as in like, laws?

[solar wharf]

no

religion

[reef nova]

Hm

[spring helm]

Hm….

[reef nova]

I guess you have a point

[spring helm]

I can’t really refute this one because every human civilization has had religion

So there are no “control groups” to see what one without the influence of religion would look like

[soft geyser]

Wasn't it mentioned by him or a writing that he has stronger things but exos are at 100% strength while the others are still not fully created

[solar wharf]

we can, before humans reached argulicutlre

we are basically were like dolphins lol

we found killing to be bad but we never really stopped it

[reef nova]

Yikes

[real silo]

Never heard of that

Exos are his definite strongest creations

[soft geyser]

I have heard that somewhere

[real silo]

Until he gets to making something better there's nothing he can make that beats them

If there is it'd be lame

[soft geyser]

Ehh draedon has enough experience he prob can make a exo yharon

[reef nova]

Pretty sure they also learn

from fights

[real silo]

Maybe

[soft geyser]

Exo yharon

[solar wharf]

whether you believe religion is good or not, its a fact that morality got heavily developed with it

whether you believe its from god or not

[reef nova]

He'd have to get his hands on an auric soul though

[real silo]

Exo yharon is possible but again if exo yharon is stronger than the exos then draedon would just make exo yharon

[rotund shore]

Tbh it wouldn’t be that strong, if it’s the strength of like one exo mech, it’d arguably be weaker then yharon

[real silo]

but evidently exo yharon doesn't exist

[rotund shore]

So like, why would he

[reef nova]

I wonder if there was a religion in Calamity dedicated to Dragons, and how did dragons feel with that fact if they knew.

[high lynx]

Yes

[real silo]

xeroc was a monk that worshipped dragons

[soft geyser]

That is true so he will make exo dog and exo scal at the same time

[high lynx]

Lunatic cultist, right?

[real silo]

the dragon cult exists too

[solar wharf]

xeroc was a monk

so religions did exist

[reef nova]

Ah, right.

[reef nova]

That I know

[high lynx]

Wait what dies the lunatic cultist cult worship?

[real silo]

exo scal already exists it's apollo

[high lynx]

I could’ve sworn it was dragons or moon lord

[real silo]

apollo's fire was based on her fires

[sinful adder]

It was "righteous". It's a weird statement I think.

[reef nova]

Moonlord

[high lynx]

Ah

My bad

[reef nova]

Not sure myself though

[soft geyser]

That is skeleton prime exo

[real silo]

No

Cultists worshipped dragons

[reef nova]

Providence?

[high lynx]

Isnt there a person who is obsessed with bringing back dragons though

[reef nova]

e

[high lynx]

So i was right

[real silo]

No it's the eye

[reef nova]

That would be me

[real silo]

Green eye

[reef nova]

I told you I wasn't sure

[real silo]

That's the lunatic cultist I think

[high lynx]

Ok

I was 50/50 on that

[reef nova]

Lunatic cultist and me would be like, BFFs then

[soft geyser]

Nah draedon should just make yharim an exo suit based on all boss attack

[reef nova]

We already have that

from april fools

[high lynx]

He did

[solar wharf]

to reword my statment, im not claiming ur wrong, im making a claim that the statement is rather explict so it makes more rational sense to take it face value, believing otherwise is a possible alternative that simply isnt backed up

[soft geyser]

The lorde does that

Nah we need dog to have his three students sgain

[high lynx]

Religion is a very complicated topic that stems from the existence of self proclaimed gods in calamity

[sinful adder]

We know that current Providence is about as far from righteous as you can possibly get, so she either has a complete 180, or the bestiary is misleading, or the calamity devs are calling genocide of all life an objectively good thing. I am willing to bet that it is not the latter.

[reef nova]

Okay guys, I nesd your opinion on this, who do you think would be a nicer dragon towards Terrarians (humans)? Zeratros, or Silva?

[high lynx]

But whenever there is powerful beings, there are those weaker who will worship them

[reef nova]

Yeah

[soft geyser]

Silva

[solar wharf]

you can be evil and have righteous anger

[reef nova]

One vote for Dragon of life

Zero for Zeratros

[pliant ruin]

Yall silva is a god

[reef nova]

MB

[high lynx]

Wait silva as a goddess or the auric dragon she got the soul from

[pliant ruin]

I've just been looking at chat and somehow nobody brought it up and i was like 😭

But i like to think silva is nice

[reef nova]

Look matey

[high lynx]

I just got here

[reef nova]

I haven't played calamity for a good bit

[soft geyser]

Who is the strongest character lore wise

[reef nova]

okay?

[reef nova]

Hm

[pliant ruin]

I'll b honest i was more so surprised none of the lore users brought it up

[soft geyser]

I have heard it is Xeroc

[reef nova]

Probably Xeroc, as far as I know

[pliant ruin]

also ye its xeroc

[high lynx]

Yeah we decided there wouldn’t ever be a silva boss fight because she doesn’t hate you

[soft geyser]

How about after xeroc

[pliant ruin]

moon lord at its prime or the terrarian

[high lynx]

After?

[pliant ruin]

debatable

[soft geyser]

Prob noxus or yhari

[solar wharf]

depends on what we take as truth, since apparently in the qna doc

[pliant ruin]

Noxus is bellow both ML and terrarian

[reef nova]

Terrarian ain't there just yet

[solar wharf]

fovos >> noxus

[pliant ruin]

yeah not rn

but like

[real silo]

Righteous fury could mean that the dragon of fire was evil as fuck and providence murdered it
The act of killing it is righteous because it's an evil beast
Whatever providence does after that doesn't affect the fact that killing an evil dragon is a good thing

[soft geyser]

Yes after that means Xeroc >

[solar wharf]

unless that was changed

[pliant ruin]

prime terrarian

[solar wharf]

or i misremeber

[soft geyser]

Isn't moonlorf weak

[high lynx]

Depends, does draedon get even more breakthroughs

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is the strongest and then prime ML and prime terrarian are tied for 2nd place

no

[reef nova]

Continuing our votes now, please.
1 for Dragon of Life
0 for Zeratros

[sinful adder]

dragon of life and silva are probably the best god and dragon. We also have evidence that the dragon of life died willingly and ascended the same way xeroc did

[high lynx]

Because eventually his science will scale

[pliant ruin]

moonlord is literally the single strongest character in the lore besides xeroc and debatably the terrarian

[high lynx]

Exponentially

[soft geyser]

How is pm ml that strong

[pliant ruin]

you fight him in a incredibly weakened state

[soft geyser]

His feats?

[pliant ruin]

the ml you fight is probably like less than half of his actual full strenght

[high lynx]

He wiped out most dragons bro

[pliant ruin]

yeah he kind of singlehandedly almost killed everyone

[reef nova]

I'd argue it's less

[sinful adder]

he fought all the dragons at the same time, killed like half of them, and survived. all the dragons were unable to kill him

[soft geyser]

Oh

[high lynx]

They had to banish him

To the moon

Gasp

[soft geyser]

Alright time to get baylea

[sinful adder]

well, maybe not all, but at least a majority of them

[pliant ruin]

After ml/terrarian

it's noxus

then yharim

and then after yharim it's

mf primordial wyrm 😭

[soft geyser]

Jateeeeeeeed

[reef nova]

Primordial wyrm getting slept on

[pliant ruin]

well actually

zeratros

is above PW i think

i forgot abt him

it's like

[reef nova]

Wait

[high lynx]

I think draedon will not be the strongest, but his science will exponentially scale as his technology improves

[soft geyser]

Nah jared no fiffs Xeroc

[reef nova]

how much do we know about Zeratros' powers?

[pliant ruin]

xeroc > ML/Terrarian > noxus > yharim > zeratros > jared

[pliant ruin]

honestly

[high lynx]

Strongest dragon other than yharon

[reef nova]

Who the fuck is jared

[pliant ruin]

i just don't rank draedon in power lists like these

[high lynx]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

because draedon is less of a individual and more of a force of nature atp

like

[high lynx]

Because its not him

[reef nova]

Is he above Yharon though?

[soft geyser]

Who knows draedon might be the strongest after he harness his potential

[soft geyser]

Pm

[pliant ruin]

he is functionally immortal and he dosen't really exactly have a physical body

[high lynx]

So now the question is who made draedon

[pliant ruin]

so draedon is like

[reef nova]

Pm?

[hushed geyser]

Jesus

[pliant ruin]

more of an literal force than an actual individualç

[pliant ruin]

some scientist guy (which probably was himself

[soft geyser]

Primordial wyrm is jared

[high lynx]

So science beats gods

[reef nova]

Oh

[pliant ruin]

i'm a strong believer of the theory draedon is literally his own creator

[reef nova]

Okay

[real silo]

draedon with enough exo mechs vs xeroc

[high lynx]

I like that

[soft geyser]

Draedon creates Xeroc but robot

[pliant ruin]

as in he transferred his consciousness to the AI but intentionally or not excluded the Human Morals part

[reef nova]

Can we please remind ourselves how exactly OP primordial light is?

[high lynx]

Draedon ignored nuclear fusion because it was too weak

[high lynx]

Maybe he never had any

[real silo]

all of boss rush was a fragment of primordial light

[soft geyser]

Nah draedon if he is able to harness any power for his creation is about to create the elden beast

[reef nova]

A fragment

a mere fragment

[sinful adder]

I am a firm believer that this is impossible because by definition he can't be the same person without the memories

[reef nova]

Same with our daylight empress of ligjt

[real silo]

Well idk if it's a fragment but it's definitely not full power xeroc

[reef nova]

WHO ONE SHOTS YOU

[pliant ruin]

What do you mean by that exactly

[soft geyser]

Nah that was him blinking

[high lynx]

This is a moral dilemma

[real silo]

You're not you without your memories

[high lynx]

We dont care about morality

[pliant ruin]

But he still has his memories

[sinful adder]

I mean that I believe that your memories are what make you yourself, without that you are someone else

[pliant ruin]

He just dosen't have those related to his identity

[high lynx]

None of that ship of theseus crap

[sinful adder]

no he doesn't. He doesn't remember anything before that

[pliant ruin]

If he didn't have any of his memories he'd be like
🧍

[high lynx]

I think he doesn’t remember things

[sinful adder]

he has none of the scientist's memories

so he's not that scientist

[soft geyser]

Draedon max potential might be strongest

[high lynx]

He just had an insatiable drive to science

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high lynx]

But he is the best character

[sinful adder]

that makes him a new person

[reef nova]

I am curious about something. What does happen with Akato after we "kill" Yharon?

[soft geyser]

He has dementia

[sinful adder]

Akato isn't canon

[pliant ruin]

I still disagree with ranking draedon as the strongest purely because i do not view him as a individual

[reef nova]

FUUUUCK

NOOOOOOOOO

[high lynx]

He himself isnt powerful

His creations should be the thing we rate

[sinful adder]

you can say that he's a draconic offshoot if you want to for your character's story

[soft geyser]

Well that is how a genius work

[high lynx]

We rate the exo mechs

[soft geyser]

Nah we rate him

[sinful adder]

I would argue that draedon is his creations. His body is one of his creations, after all. All of them are.

[pliant ruin]

This is pretty creative actually

Interesting way to make a canon adjacent inclusion of that guy

[soft geyser]

Like how we rank necromancer

[pliant ruin]

See

[reef nova]

Eh, whatever, I'll be fine without our precious baby boy Akato being canon.

[pliant ruin]

this is exactly why

[reef nova]

Anyway

[pliant ruin]

i don't think it's fair to rank Draedon

As the strongest

[reef nova]

Did we ACTUALY kill Yharon?

[pliant ruin]

How do you define what is draedon

[real silo]

He also says he can straight up terraform an entire fucking sea

[reef nova]

Or is he gonna rebirth?

[sinful adder]

he is not the strongest right now but he will be someday

[high lynx]

Probably that

[pliant ruin]

And not only that

[soft geyser]

I thought he was an ant

[sinful adder]

draedon is capable of anything

[real silo]

He will in ten years

[pliant ruin]

Draedon could basically destroy entire ecosystems if he wanted to

[high lynx]

Exactly

[pliant ruin]

Yet, the terrarian could defeat exo mechs

[high lynx]

So science beats gods

[real silo]

Yharon is the oldest character still alive besides maybe noxus and the distortion gang

[reef nova]

In ten years we'll kill Yharim and then I'll take Yharon in

And make him atone for his sins

[high lynx]

And people beats science

[reef nova]

and amke him good

[soft geyser]

Well draedon didn't die and he had the blueprints

[reef nova]

happy ending

[high lynx]

Also can we agree the exo mechs are flawed

[pliant ruin]

So... is the terrarian stronger than draedon, because it beat his strongest creations? Or... is draedon stronger, because he can destroy a ecosystem?

[soft geyser]

Draedon

[reef nova]

Mhm

[soft geyser]

By miles

[reef nova]

Thantos can overheat

[pliant ruin]

I just do not think there is a way to reasonably rank Draedon when it comes to character strenght

[soft geyser]

They weren't perfect

[high lynx]

Yeah

[sinful adder]

Draedon could easily kill the player if he wanted, but he didn't want to. He wanted to test his creations

[reef nova]

Just as every other exo-mech pretty sure

[soft geyser]

Exactly

[high lynx]

We rank his creations instead

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

Ranking his creations is much more reasonable

Than ranking Draedon himself

[sinful adder]

Draedon is as much of a force of nature (or... un-nature) as he is a person.

[high lynx]

Also i’d like to note that draedon has only been around 600 years

[pliant ruin]

Because Draedon himself is a living paradox in terms of character strenght

[sinful adder]

I agree.

[real silo]

I should draw his terraformers

[high lynx]

Do we know what year elmiris was scorched?

[real silo]

Giant mechs that transform entire biomes

[reef nova]

Guys

Do you think I could run terraria on Thanatos' engine?

And if Dradeon would allow me to do that?

[high lynx]

You could run terraria on a calculator if you try hard enough

[high lynx]

And if you kill it probably

[reef nova]

Dradeon is lk chill

[high lynx]

I think

[reef nova]

I don't think he'll make me defeat it again

[real silo]

You can play doom on spine of thanatos

[sinful adder]

effortlessly

well, draedon could

[reef nova]

Question is if Dradeon would allow me to do thay

[sinful adder]

you probably couldn't

[high lynx]

Draedon only discovered exothermic/exotic energy fairly recently right?

[real silo]

yes

[reef nova]

No idea.

[sinful adder]

somewhat recently yes

not sure how recent

[reef nova]

Huh

Interesting

[high lynx]

Because he couldn’t research it until ilmeris was gone

So it was after the scorching

[reef nova]

What do you think would be Dradeon's reaction to us using one of the exo-mechs as PCs and watching por-

[high lynx]

And that was done by calamitas, presumably under yharims orders right?

[real silo]

It was also after pbg

I'm pretty sure

[high lynx]

Pbg?

[real silo]

Yharim left him after plague

[high lynx]

Oh

[real silo]

he didn't have exo auric armor at that point

[high lynx]

Plaugrbringer goliath

[pliant ruin]

plaguebringer guy

its plaguebringer goliath

but instead its actually just a guy

[high lynx]

Wait i just need to make 100% sure im not wrong about this, calamitas left yharims army right?

After not killing permafrost?

[reef nova]

WAAAIT, I think I got a good question to ask. Can SCal use her necromancy to bring back the dead dragons? For example Zeratros?

[high lynx]

Probably not

[reef nova]

How does her necromancy work anyway?

[high lynx]

I think her necromancy only worked because it was her brothers

[sinful adder]

necromancy cannot restore the soul. It's really just making a golem out of corpses

[reef nova]

Auric soul is what makes the dragons powerful, right?

[real silo]

there aren't even any dragon corpses much less their auric souls

[high lynx]

And aurics souls are the lifeblood of dragons and without that idk

[real silo]

all their auric souls got consumed

[pliant ruin]

scal could make a undead dragon probably but it'd be

[real silo]

That's the whole reason they went extinct

[sinful adder]

yeah. And its also their soul, so it has their minds in it and such

[pliant ruin]

much like any other undead construct

just that

a undead construct

[real silo]

If their soul was still intact they'd eventually be revived

[high lynx]

Wait i need to pin down the timeframe of the exothermic energy discovery

[reef nova]

Hm, so, sadly, if SCal were to somehow revive a dragon, they wouldn't be as powerful.

Shucks.

[sinful adder]

it would also not have a mind unless a new one was created for it

[high lynx]

Post pbg, pre scal departure, post scal scorching

[pliant ruin]

if scal were to revive a dragon it'd be like her brothers or sepulcher

or ravager

as in

[reef nova]

How would you do that anyway?

[high lynx]

Do we know when scal departed

[pliant ruin]

barely alive mass of flesh that is going AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sinful adder]

magic? take any random soul and shove it in? who knows

[reef nova]

I guess so

Y'know

If I could

[high lynx]

Scal’s power is based on emotion so probably love/regret

[reef nova]

I would definitely ask Calamitas to do me a favour and revive a dragon for me

[pliant ruin]

it isn't based on emotion, it's juts that it affects her emotions

(negatively

[reef nova]

For real?

[high lynx]

I thought it was powerful because of her anger

[pliant ruin]

i mean you'd get a really big corpse creature vaguely shaped like a dragon

[reef nova]

O

[high lynx]

And that after she left yharim she got sad

[pliant ruin]

that may or maynot try to eat you

nah

it's just that

her magic greatly affects her mental health (negatively

[high lynx]

And only smolders now

[pliant ruin]

it isn't actually directly based on emotion

[high lynx]

Oh

[reef nova]

You're killing my dreams matey

[high lynx]

I couldve sworn

[pliant ruin]

it's ok you can get a pet dragonfolly

they're dragons just uh

[reef nova]

Dradeon ain't making shit for me

[pliant ruin]

stupider

[high lynx]

Also am i wrong that calamitas is less burny now

[pliant ruin]

dragonfollies aren't related to draedon

[pliant ruin]

nah you're not

[reef nova]

That would make them arguably better

[pliant ruin]

calamitas if anything

[reef nova]

As friends or pets

[pliant ruin]

would probably want to avoid hurting others as much as possible

[reef nova]

I mean

[pliant ruin]

dragonfollies would b more so pets yeah

fgiven they're wild animals

as opposed to dragons which are

like

people

so they're more like friends if you had a good relationship with one

[high lynx]

Ok, i guess i made a correlation between her happiness and her strength effecting each other

[reef nova]

I wish we didn't kill one on our path

[pliant ruin]

tbf dragonfollies are like

[high lynx]

We dont have to kill a lot of things

[pliant ruin]

a entire species

[reef nova]

Dragonfolly isn't required to kill in order to progress, right?

[pliant ruin]

so your character could probably like

[high lynx]

Nope

[pliant ruin]

realistically domesticate one

[high lynx]

Most bosses arent

[reef nova]

I'm never harming another dragonfolly, then.

[high lynx]

Like 40%

[reef nova]

That's...

AMAZIMG

[rotund shore]

You still need to kill the smaller ones tho

[pliant ruin]

there's also

eidolon wyrms and fishrons

those are also dragons technically

[rotund shore]

Either you kill dragonfolly or draconic swarmers

[pliant ruin]

but i don't like the idea of aclling a fishron a dragon because they look fucking stupid

[reef nova]

FINALLY SOMETHING GOOD HAS HAPPENED IN THE CALAMITY LORE

[high lynx]

Is eidolon worm a species

[pliant ruin]

well yah

you see multiple of them ingame lol

[high lynx]

Oh cool

[rotund shore]

I’m sticking to my crack theory that leviathan is a draconic offshoot

[pliant ruin]

they're technically dragons too

[high lynx]

I never get that far

[pliant ruin]

just

really big swimmy sea dragons

[rotund shore]

I mean it’s big fish and flies, just like fishron

[reef nova]

Fishron and Old Duke can go fuck themselves for all I care

[high lynx]

Wait i thought they werent

My whole theory is invalid

[pliant ruin]

yah eidolon wyrms are draconic offshoots aka dragons without auric souls

[reef nova]

These fuckers wanted beef with me, so now they're gonna have it

[high lynx]

Oh

Nvm my theory still remains

[reef nova]

Not very huggable though

[pliant ruin]

i mean they ARE friendly as long as you don't provoke them

[rotund shore]

They’re chill

[reef nova]

I doubt they'd be gentle

[pliant ruin]

if it wasn't for the fact they live at like

the calamity equivalent of the mariana trench

[reef nova]

if they were to "hug" you by wrapping themselves around you

[rotund shore]

Yeah if they didn’t live in the Mariana Trench they’d be my bestie

[pliant ruin]

like if you were a illmeran who could live down there for whatever reason

[high lynx]

I love the sulphuric sea

Best biome

Best songs too

[pliant ruin]

they'd probably be comparatively easier to domesticate than a dragonfolly

given eidolon wyrms are filter feeders and fairly docile

and dragonfollies are

GRRR GRRR KILL I LOVE MEAT GRR

(hyperactive predator moment

[reef nova]

I see...

Still

[pliant ruin]

both are still wild animals though so you could theoretically do with both

[reef nova]

Dragonfollies would make better pets for someone like me, who needs comfort

[pliant ruin]

understandable

[high lynx]

Wasteland best song in my opinion

[pliant ruin]

there's also fishrons as i said but they suck so

[reef nova]

Eidolon wyrms are more like

[rotund shore]

Fishrons are meanies

[reef nova]

hm

[high lynx]

Or leviathan

[reef nova]

I agree

[high lynx]

She’s like a dog

[reef nova]

OH YES YES

[high lynx]

Loyal

[rotund shore]

Leviathan already has an owner we can’t take her

[reef nova]

Literally Yharon

but better

and less evil

[high lynx]

Yep

Thats why i made that theory

[pliant ruin]

Leviathan is prob just like

a hungry creature

[rotund shore]

Beeg fish

[pliant ruin]

so like

[high lynx]

My theory is she’s a dragon

[pliant ruin]

its trying to kill you but its not like EVIL yk,,,

if i could have any of the wild beasties of the calamity lore as pets i'd have like

[reef nova]

We can ask for permission from the water elemental though, she's passive.

[pliant ruin]

hmm

[high lynx]

I dont want anybody spoiling my fun it was a good theory

[pliant ruin]

hehe. anahita. passive. hehe.

[reef nova]

What is it now..?

[pliant ruin]

so uhm

she's kind of like

really fucked

[reef nova]

She commited genocide against all of the ocean life?

[rotund shore]

She’s mean and lame and pretty I mean what

[high lynx]

Shes an elemental

[pliant ruin]

the ''flood the entire world" fucked

[reef nova]

Oh

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

[high lynx]

All elements think that way

Thats the point of them

[pliant ruin]

the elementals love covering the world in

[rotund shore]

All elementals have like the primal urge to make the entire world their domain

[pliant ruin]

water or sand or clouds i guess

or life but how does that one even work

[reef nova]

Fkng clouds bro

[pliant ruin]

silva explain. pls

[high lynx]

If you were an elemental

[rotund shore]

The world is already covered with life

[reef nova]

That wouls be literally a fog

[rotund shore]

Silva won fr fr

[reef nova]

No?

[high lynx]

What would you cover the world in

And you cant say cheese

[rotund shore]

I’d cover the world with draedon

Idk what that means either

[reef nova]

Dragonfollies (friendly and domesticated)

[rotund shore]

I guess the world is already full of draedon

[pliant ruin]

if i was a elemental i'd cover the world in

yuri

[rotund shore]

Based

[high lynx]

Like from ddlc

[pliant ruin]

no like girls kissing

[high lynx]

Oh

Based

[reef nova]

[high lynx]

What about us men tho

[pliant ruin]

i am so proud of this community you get it

[high lynx]

Would you kill us

[pliant ruin]

don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it

yao-

[high lynx]

Based

Would we get pointy chins

[pliant ruin]

everyone on the world is now gay

amen

[high lynx]

I would cover it in noxious chemicals

Factory reset

Maybe this time calamity become real

[pliant ruin]

ok wait limbus company update

i have to go people remember to drink water

[high lynx]

Buh bye

Im going to bed

Have fun scoog fan

Scoog

Thats a nice word

[reef nova]

I'm only gay for big monster men

[high lynx]

Based

[reef nova]

Goodnight

[high lynx]

Goodnight, sleep tight, dont let the horrible creatures that roam the earth bite

[reef nova]

At this point, I'd let them bite me all they want because I'm so bored and uninterested with the current world 💀The possibilty of making a friend like that is like a dream

[rotund shore]

Chat what would yharims favorite video game be

[reef nova]

Hence why I want to see a show or book where dragons and humans get along

that is not how to train your dragon

[reef nova]

Hmmmm

Probably something about conquest

[rotund shore]

Oh right god of war why didn’t I realize that sooner

You get to kill gods that’s his power fantasy

[reef nova]

oooh

lol

yeah

What would be Yharon's favourite though?

Fuck

mb I called Yharon, Yharim by accident

I feel ashamed

[rotund shore]

Yharon can’t play video games, he ain’t holding a controller

He’s too big

[reef nova]

If he could

what would it be?

Besides

I'm sure dradeon would think of somethimg

if we asked him nicely

[rotund shore]

You know we don’t know that much about yharon personality wise, compared to yharim anyways

[reef nova]

True

Since Xeroc is releasing soon

we'll probably get more lore about dragons

along with Xeroc.

[rotund shore]

I don’t think Xeroc is releasing soon lol

[reef nova]

Better hope he is

[rotund shore]

If he’s even added, it’ll be after yharim

And he’s not even guaranteed to become a boss

[reef nova]

We already have his concept art, so...

[rotund shore]

We also have concept arts for characters who’ll likely never even appear in game like whatever the illmeran god is called

[reef nova]

Oh

RAAAGH

I...

I...

I NEED DADDY XEROC!

RIGHT NOW!!!!!

[rotund shore]

I’m sorry but Xeroc is NOT daddy

[reef nova]

B-But...

he looks so...

so...

SO FUCKING HOT

[rotund shore]

As of right now he is literally a big ass symbol in the sky!!

[reef nova]

Smash

[rotund shore]

[reef nova]

do you see the hole in the symbol's "eye"?

[rotund shore]

Stop cooking

[reef nova]

Looks hole-y enough for me

[rotund shore]

I repeat, stop cooking

[reef nova]

Only if devs confirm that Zeratros specificaly likes Terrarians (humans)

Because then

I'll imediately start simping for Zeratros

[rotund shore]

Zeratros seems chill to me but who knows

Well lore writers do but yeah

[reef nova]

Well

that is a good thing

rite?

I'd appreaciate it aswell if lore writers made it so Zerotras also likes children and teens (In a parental way, duh.)

[rotund shore]

You know I shouldn’t disapprove of your Xeroc simping when I myself think rare sand elemental is cute

[reef nova]

Would be amazing for my self-insert oc

[reef nova]

🤷‍♂️

Anyway

I'll be switching my pfp to some Zeratros art

Cuz I got angry at Yharon

for commiting genocide

[real silo]

zeratros art (a whole 3 of them)

[rotund shore]

Yeah people who commit genocide tend to be uh bad

[real silo]

I have seen three total zeratros artwork

[reef nova]

You do not have to poke at a wound that already hurts, y'know?

[real silo]

one by throudon one by stip and my own interpretation of zeratros

[rotund shore]

Throudon cooks so hard

[reef nova]

Please go ahead and send me all of them

Pookie wookie

[real silo]

The zeratros fan art economy is drier than the sahara

gimme a momento

[rotund shore]

I need to stimulate the economy (I don’t know how to draw)

[reef nova]

Neither do I

I have a friend who makes good art, but I got no money to pay him for it

[spring helm]

What did I come back to

[rotund shore]

Second time this evening I’ve thought of silly stuff I want to draw

[reef nova]

(My pfp is made by him)

[cloud ibex]

I think you should do community service for your crimes

[spring helm]

Your friend did well

[rotund shore]

The other thing is Uzi from murder drones playing ultrakill

[reef nova]

Ikr

And he said he didn't do animals before

[pliant ruin]

i am the way and the light

[spring helm]

Dear God, I need $500 to pay artists to draw more Silva fanart

[pliant ruin]

nobody comes to the father except through me

6 DOLLAR SHRIMP SPECIAL ‼️

[rotund shore]

Hi cheese, how’s the limbus update?

[reef nova]

I only paid my friend like 5$ to make me this pfp

[spring helm]

Lowballed lmao

[pliant ruin]

they just giving stuff away for free now 😭 glory to project moon

[cloud ibex]

6 DOLLAR SRIMP SPECIAL

[rotund shore]

Based

I don’t play limbus but my brother does

[pliant ruin]

your brother will love the free deca ticket and 1300 lunacy

[reef nova]

Speaking of lowballs...I think one of them might be a bit loose–

[pliant ruin]

kim jihoon is my guy

[real silo]

Throud
#lore-discussion message
Stip
#lore-discussion message
Mine
#lore-discussion message

[reef nova]

Shii

[rotund shore]

Woah those are all peak

[pliant ruin]

eak

[reef nova]

All of them look real good

[pliant ruin]

peak....

[rotund shore]

I really like stip’s

[spring helm]

Holy fuck your Zeratros is exploding

[pliant ruin]

my favorite might be either stips or throudon's second

[spring helm]

Also throudon’s first one kinda looks like something from How To Train Your Dragon

[pliant ruin]

dragons with feathers/fur my beloved

[reef nova]

I wish they were coloured and made digitaly though...so I could actually use them as a pfp

[real silo]

I wish I could

My ass didn't bring my tablet to college though

[spring helm]

All my drawings are made with mouse on MSPaint or hand drawn on scrap paper from old notes

[real silo]

I also know jack shit about digital painting

[reef nova]

Based

[real silo]

Throudon has improved a lot since making that though

Mine was just me thinking "wouldn't it be cool if zeratros resembled the xeroc crest"

[reef nova]

Kind of reminds me of that Time dragon from skyrim, I forgot how he was called

but yeah

it looks nice

[cloud ibex]

Robert

[reef nova]

I am SURE it was not Robert

Now

let me change my pfp

I will never forgive Yharon...

[real silo]

The general consensus with zeratros' design is that he has 4 wings and is very angelic

[spring helm]

Old McDonald’s cashier Calamitas drawing

[real silo]

I don't think I want to try my hand at a proper zeratros design because lazy

[reef nova]

Done

[rotund shore]

What would yharim order at McDonald’s, he gives off vibes of a basic big max bitch

[real silo]

dragon of death is my buddy anyways

[spring helm]

I am too creatively bankrupt to make my own designs

[cloud ibex]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonvale/images/6/66/LightDragonElder.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20151001122539

[reef nova]

Bet he/she is a nice guy

[reef nova]

Zerateos

This is, Zerateos

[rotund shore]

I still gotta think up a design for the terrarian in the fic I need to find motivation to make

[reef nova]

If you do it

I'll give you a kiss

[rotund shore]

Now I’ll never write it

[reef nova]

...

If you won't do it

I'll give you a french kiss

[rotund shore]

[reef nova]

a deep one

A VERY

FUCKING

[cloud ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/simpleflips-gif-11142067914485832931

[reef nova]

DEEP ONE

[reef nova]

That's literally my whole personality pal

[cloud ibex]

That’s not a good thing

[reef nova]

Beside my anger issues

[real silo]

I wanted to make him a not-evil-creature but the way I drew him didn't convey that very well at all

[reef nova]

🤷‍♂️

[rotund shore]

Cease

[real silo]

#lore-discussion message
(Not official design)

[cloud ibex]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/monsterhunter/images/5/54/MHW-Vaal_Hazak_Render_001.png/revision/latest?cb=20180214002433

[real silo]

Fucked up zomber ❤️

[reef nova]

I can't really give you a good opinion on if he looks like a nice guy or not

Because I'd hug him regardless

[reef nova]

Same goes with Vaal Hazak

[cloud ibex]

Well he does have a symbiotic relationship with a flesh-eating bacteria so close enough

[sudden ruin]

that crest of death looks cool

[reef nova]

Vaal Hazak seems so lonely

[real silo]

I will revisit it eventually

Lots of things to change

[cloud ibex]

I mean he’s an elder dragon

They tend to be lonely

[rotund shore]

One of these days I’ll write my fanfic…I’m just busy

It’ll be peak (dogshit)

[reef nova]

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HUG ALL OF THEM

Nergigante literally grooms himself

it's so cute

[visual kiln]

wha

[reef nova]

Add me into it

[cloud ibex]

Nergigante is literally shadow the hedgehog in dragon form

[visual kiln]

context?????

[reef nova]

He licks his paws and spikes?

[rotund shore]

Erm what if I don’t

[visual kiln]

o

okii

[reef nova]

What did you think I meant by grooming?