#lore-discussion
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lol
Actually free my boy yharim
Silva already has a BF his name is Braelor stop hitting on her smh
he wanted dragons back
from his point of view, there is no "perfectly good" because to become a god you have to consume an auric soul (murder)
braelor is GAY
silva is his mom get it right smh
I was explaining cal lore to my friend today so I’m glad I glossed over Silva so he didn’t go ooooo woman like always
silva polycule
Dragons are cooler than gods
I mean, it's possible that the Auric Dragons weren't good either, so killing them might not have been a bad thing for humanity
dragons and gods were neither entirely evil or entirely good

Doesn’t yharim hate “the falsely divine” and not specifically the idea of a god?
Sure, but that's also stupid because murder is sometimes necessary by his own reasoning, and also a lot of the dragons were awful. Not that this matters to him
It’s almost like they’re an entire group of people with differing ideals and morals, woahhh
so true
Because what makes a god a god
I'm going to kill them all so that the one true rightful rulers can rule above them all
Dragonfollies
Not sure. He's fine with astrum deus because people called it a god before gods existed so it's just a name
RISE MY sunken scourges
Why did they decide absorbing an auric soul makes you a god
RISE AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD! RISE MY scoogs
People ate auric souls entirely from greed for power
What is a scoog
This is false.
IDC if dragons are bad I just wanna see dragons
fighting aquatic scourge and seeing the desert scourge resprite has made me a scoog appreciator
You mean why the devs did that or why people in lore did that
it's time to change my nickname
Inferior ocean worms vs based electrical feather dragons
The slime god is an obvious example
The people in the lore
Cheese the Gay Hater
Fighting aquatic scourge makes me wanna cry
I should be able to have a Dragonfolly mount that I can ride to charge nobly into battle
woah ,,,
Did xerok declare himself a god
Yes
That was like, the first thing he did upon becoming a god
Just like Devourer called him self the Devourer of Gods
Xeroc was the first one so I don’t think the concept of a god was around before him but the concept of worshipping beings was
i HATE gay people...... grr... i'm Home Of Phobic!
Is the slime god a natural god not eating a auric soul
it was my favorite fight yet
loved it
Counterpoint
Cute girls
Home of the HUH!!???!
Terrarian drip
So he just decided that absorbing an auric soul made you a god for some reason?

Well “gods” just weren’t a thing until he did the ritual so yes
He is
i heart scoog
all of the gods did
It was more the immense amount of power it granted the consumer.
Like, Gods are extremely strong
He eated soul
the only "god" that didn't do the ritual was astrum deus
and that's because
it isn't an actual god
So they call themselves gods because they have lotsa power
it's just a alien organism
How do we know Slime God isn't an actual God then?
So gods are a concept
People just praise deus for some reason
So where dragons stronger thqn gods?
They aren’t real
because it absorbed the auric soul of gluttony
Is full power astrum deus powerful or weak
He chill
Said where?
generally stronger than eachother
What is it
the strongest god (xeroc) is stronger than the strongest dragon (zeratros) but zeratros is also stronger than every single god we fight
so
is it just a slime
Everything called a god except astrum deus was a human that consumed an auric soul and gained a bunch of power
it's not being a dragon or being a god that makes them stronger
I see
slime god bestiary
But is xerok stronger though?
How do we knoe
dev statements
Oh
Do we know that he's stronger than Zeratos? I'm pretty sure we don't know much about Zeratos' power level other than that he's stronger than Xeroc
Xeroc is stronger than zeratros
Anything that fuses an auric and non auric soul makes something stronger than either of the original souls. These are called gods
If xerok absorbed the auric soul of zeratros and zeratros is strongest dragon aren't they just equal or what
Xeroc is a goddamn beast
Dev statements moment
You're gonna have to start linking these "Dev Statements" tbh
Xeroc like trained and shit
But they weren’t really alive at the same time
He’s cool
Strength wise
i can't link them because i don't know where they are given they're basically common knowledge here
Can't wait to just start spreading misinformation and add "Said in a dev statement" to make everyone believe me
someone probably has a screenshot somewhere
No. Gods become way stronger than the dragons they eat
Like aquatic scourge
good thing i'm not doing that but it's good to be suspicious of things without sources
I heard somewhere that we spared him
so i don't blame you
Do they?
Canonically, astrum deus doesn't die when you fight it
and alot of questions are being asked
also my girlfriend is calling me goodbye
So If yharim and yharon try killing xeroc would they win or does xeroc win
Yes, 100% of the time.
Xeroc wins in the same way that a person wins against, like a mouse.
You don't have one take your meds
Also Auric Souls are kinda just like... a cheat way to get power?
Non-gods can become stronger than Gods with enough effort and skill
Or were they just strong enough to kill the dragon, and then they just got better after absorbing its power
Like 1 + 1
Yeah, in a way this is true
Are we a god or are we just like that
Just like us the player right?
this is so real
Yes, it's like that.
Well i dont think just anyone can absorb an auric soul
Thought it might be multiplicative
If you were a god Yharim would’ve killed you already
No it's like... outright.
We straight up kill two different gods despite not being a godly being ourselves, which very much proves the concept
Oh yeah
I AM Xeroc
Anyone can but only if you know the secret ritual, and no one left alive that knows it is willing to tell anyone said ritual.
nah id win
so the terrarian is just that person
Yes
We arent a god because… nobody knows, because we didnt get to absorb yharons soul
That we know of.
It's possible there are non-introduced characters who might know of it
For some reason
Guide knows
Some of the dragons were really weak.
You just never asked
Cause we probably didn't know the ritual to do it.
Or we didn't want to do it.
There's a lot of reasons why we didn't do it tbh
The slime god was a weak human and a weak dragon combined. Keep in mind, it's stronger than an entire army of human soldiers, but it's weak compared to other gods
Yharim would’ve gone super saiyan with rage if you absorbed Yharon’s soul
Yeah this is also true. But basically what I'm trying to say is just "God doesn't mean stronger than everything that isn't a god"
Correct
draedon in lore hypothesised that the player killing astrum deus meant very little on a cosmic scale in regards to the astral infection's spread
We need a real god
Why
Not these fakers
Is Providence a real god
Ok what’s a real god
no
Yeah, it's because he presumes that there's multiple Deus and killing one does literally nothing in the scheme of the universe
No clue
This is true, but it slows it down for terraria at least
Bleh
Yes?
Nexus
hey guys
Hello
Hi
Not for me to decide
Or Noxsus i forgot
yo
noxsussy
Yes. One of the strongest ones, too.
scoog
no providence took an auric soul
scoog
That was fast
is yharon still stronger tho
❌
Why are you back already
The gods we know are only gods because they stronk and because xeroc said so
why the X
Nope, because aside from having basically no actual lore on them, we don't even know if they're a god
shes sleepy
Yes, but barely. Yharon is an exceptionally strong dragon. The second strongest ever.
Hold on
isnt it like uh around 6 am
I have heard somewhere that he wqs from the Dog dimension
Well he has the power that let the dragons revive
alr guys so what I'm getting from this is we just kill everyone except for calamitas
Me when other time zones

ye he is
i was asking to cheez
Assuming that ascension to godhood precludes someone from being a true god is silly.
Look at Greco-roman mythology. Specifically Hercules/Heracles. He ascended to godhood, and is not considered "Not a true god" just because of it
Wait isnt ten average human in dbz tho
Holy shit why is xeroc so strong
And I haven't even gotten to yharon yet
Calamity doesn’t go past continent level in terms of powerscaling
3 am here
someone here told me that when i asked so thats my answer lol
That's probably wrong
oopsies
what r we talking abt now again
why is xeroc just him
What about the thing that eats stars
who is fovus?
fovos
I watch dbz i swear it was 10
but like, bigger versions of those
Stars aren’t giant masses of nuclear fire in calamity
but still not real life star sized
They’re balls of mana
Says who
Draedon
Strongest mortal + strongest dragon + special version of the ritual that might involve soul attunement or the terminus artifact or both.
I think that's a silly answer, since that assumption means that there straight up aren't any gods in Calamity. If everyone calls it a God, it probably counts as a God
who is fovos pwease 
SORRY LAWLSI
things are going by fast right now im having a hard time keeping up
but um
fovos is just another name for moon lord
oh lel dont worry

Moon lord original name and before he was beat up
whar the freak !!!
So xeroc got zeratros auric soul and got some buffs?
Best calamity character?
Because like zeratros is 345
i heard that there are no 'real gods', only gods through ascension
why is fovos stronger than yharim!!!
Yeah, he says they're "Balls of Concentrated Mana" and when they die that Mana goes "off" if it isn't consumed. That's what causes the Astral Infection. And Astrum Deus are the things that eat said dead stars mana
fovos is kind of crazy!!!!
I mean that DBZ is wrong or the scale isn't linear.
we literally kill him!!
also if we're wondering why xeroc is so damn strong:
Fuck I even typed out that thing
I think its just a metaphor
he had alot of factors in his favour
It can't be 10 because someone with a power level of 1000 is way more than 100x a normal human
yeah hes the first ascended god right
Yes
Is exo mechs stronger then yharon
Yeah but not by that much
- incredibly strong human ( he was already near yharim level back them iirc)
- soul of the strongest dragon
- trained further even after he ascended
- had a perfect ascencion
Because if so draedon might be that guy
Random trivia for my characters - Sofia is a middle-aged mage coming from a distant kingdom, looking to establish her own utopia on the lands of Terraria. As she has largely mastered her control over creation magic, she is already kind of a deity in human shell, without involvement of any Auric soul.
This is a justification for why she is a Journey Mode character.
Wait cant exo mechs “destroy the world”
arent they just, god killing machines?
Yes. The order you fight things in boss checklist is roughly the order of strength.
xeroc had basically everything in his favour for him to turn out as strong ash e is nowadays
not necessarily
they can kill gods yeah but that's not specifically what they were made for
i mean
xeroc one of the coolest lore
if draedon wanted to he could lol
I mean, I don't see why 1 couldn't be the baseline
But also, it's Anime you can't expect it to have a perfect power-scaling system that makes perfect sense when it's dug into
so draedon is just smart like that
he just dosen't have any reason to

Draedon doesn’t care about gods as much
Yeah
someone would probably put an end to it
He likes science
Is draedon the one who made the mech trio before plantera
whether it's the terrarian, xeroc himself or even mf yharim
Yes
yes and no
he made their bodies
chat when distortion update. guesses? and what would it be called
Yeah Yharim basically straight up says "Yeah he thinks that these could kill all the gods, but Xeroc would absolutely fucking dumpster them in a fight, he's just built like that"
He's a robot that has been doing science and engineering for 700 years and doesn't really care about human morals at all. He worked with yharim for a while because it was mutually beneficial.
The souls are yharims troops
Draedon didnt like that they weren’t controllable
dreidel dreadel wouldnt end the world hes too smart for that

Mech bosses but they're fnaf animatronics hehe
Draedon is my favorite character
Calamity lore is surprisingly nuanced yah i'm a big fan of it
i love xeroc
I live calamity lore
So when is calamity final boss releasing
five nights at dreadons 💀
Calamity might genuinely be on my top 10 writing projects -
I joined this server for calamity lore
Draedon won't end the world... Unless he finds a reason it would benefit his quest for knowledge
I wouldn't say it reaches top 5 most likely but
i think id agree cheez
top 10 yah probably
I don’t remember him saying this, which lore item is that from
I joined the calamity server to see what they were cooking
He has stated that he doesnt go to other planets because he has plenty to research
"Nuanced"
> Basically every single thing you fight is either an existential threat to humanity or attacked you first
i think chainsaw man is high on my list of well written projects
I mean
Whats top 5
Yeah?
Pretty sure it's just the Exo Mechs lore item
that dosen't really mean it's not nuanced
It just means the protagonist isn't a murder hobo
Yes
idk whats in the kitchen rn, but i hope its either the sunken sea update or distorion update with new DoG sprite
Not soon. maybe 5 years? Definitely not this year, that's for sure.
They just kill things that are Actual Threats towards them
Besides "not soon" and "someday" we don't know
Some day xeroc will become a boss
Idk if that comment was supposed to be a sarcastic joke or an genuine criticism but if it was the latter it was a pretty poorly thought of one

*superboss
maybe
Alright I found it
That was so passive-aggressive the way he said that
distortion is years away
i think its likely but not confirmed
It was a joke, I'm not that dense lol
noxus and xeroc being superbosses are a maybe
tbh i hope the background is the one from the infernum dog fight
My bad :(
god i hope noxus and xeroc are added
Bro they have a thing you get ingame that when you ask a robot guy about it, he starts talking about an axe belonging to a semi minor character and you’re trying to tell me the story isn’t nuanced?
some of the coolest parts ngl
It's hard to tell sometimes because wee woo internet
noxus might be in distortion update
yeah no
Inb4 they get clowned in no-hit no accessory copper shortsword only Legendary Death Mode
darn
maybe some info
We know we're getting:
Sunken sea update
Distortion (alternate dimension after ceaseless void)
Something in the sky islands possibly
Brimstone crags update part 2 and 3
And then yharim after all that is done
And then maybe Xeroc and noxus after that if the devs aren't completely worn out by then
Noxus MIGHT be in a update
Not next update
Just a update
which i thought was decent
Distortion will be after crags overhaul iirc
but most of the noxus designs are just
so boring
we might get noxus lore and stuff in distortion
Whats the longest playthrough you have of calamity
I didn't mean in that specific order
Mines like 17 hours
As a filthy ex-League of Legends player I can't think of Noxus without just thinking of Darius lol
I’d like it if noxus was just the entire distortion, but that doesn’t seem to be plausible for a game like terraria
new info 
Cheeeeeeeeesssssseeeeeeee
like 200 hours. took my time
some more insight into wtf is going on with it? most definitely
hel o
Only!!!!!!!!!!!
I need to step it up
Thats like half of my total tmod time
This is my first time seeing you in a week
I'm still doing my first calamity playthrough
Wow
I'm tweaking out tho because I chose infernum
yeah. when i get a new pc ill do a playthrough with every major content mod + a few other.

oh cheez , the new “noxus” design for wrath of the gods is super cool if youd count that 
I always start playthroughs and play until mechs because i kinda suck at the specifically
Not me having over 2000 hours
I feel like thats probably average though
oh yah that one is awesome
I'm currently on my first playthrough, though I'm just doing Revengeance because I already suffer enough bullshit playing War Thunder
it is not really "noxus" tbf so its hard to count it as one but
if you count it then
Terraria is my most played game but i only have 500 hours
its def my favorite yet
My friend suggested infernum for my first playthrough
community and the devs still half call it noxus so
So now I'm suffering
Just do machosit death gfb legendary thorium and dawnceaft and watch your pc crash
I mean the rework hasn’t dropped yet has it
nope
And now I'm getting ripped in half
but
my friend beat infernum with me before he beat vanilla terraria lol. (he died over 1000 times)
As far as the public is concerned it’s still Noxus
I haven't beaten moon lord yet in vanilla
So
they are pretty awesome about showing sneak peaks and answering questions
I’ve been thinking of getting the mod that makes the game run at like 4x speed and beat infernum
Fog of a dying world
And then go back to basic and be like rock lee from naruto with the weights
very true Ennway’s video literally says noxus rework
the thing is: thats not enough. i need machosit infernum gfb legendary thorium stars above mod of redemtion spirit mod and a whole bunch of other ones
Im also working on doing infurnum boss rush hitless but that’ll take ages
avatar is a super cool design though
dont have anger issues
wall
I've died to early bosses so many times in my first calamity run rn
I'm gonna start tearing up


Im pretty good at the game up to mechs
I must stick to the playthrough tho..
And after mechs but not mechs specifically
for starters, infernum will break with masochist/eternity.
Infernum will overide with GFB ai
i will learn how to make mods to make them work together...
I can't ditch
Im so bad at mechs for some reason
i dont see a point doing infernum with gfb
pointless
just nohit at that point
yeah, but people want there freedom to do it
hard bosses + hard seed
Yeah no hit boss rush infurnum
it wouldnt change the boss ai
Fun
My friend is telling me he didn't rage once during his infernum playthrough
if you want a challenge, nohit infernum bosses on obama shroom(eat the odd shroom 3 times and have the nostaligic shroom from imogens qol
infernum overrides all boss ai changes iirc
Obama??
What is Obama shrooms bro what
i mean it took him 20k attempts to do like massive shroom stacked on scal
yeah hes mad cool
I’ll be honest im doing my first infurnum playthrough and its not that bad, im at skeletron and mage is crazy pre hardmode for some reason
surprisingly chill person
obama (nohitter person) shrooms (odd mushroom)
whats moon lords purpose in calamity, ive completely forgot
Appeared, fucked up dragons, trapped in moon
To be an evil fucked up silly guy
wow i thought hed be a god or something
Nah just a alien
hes a bit of a dick actually
I'm the third silliest person I know
You gotta have whimsy if you move and thrive without the lower half of your body
you wouldn't know silly if it hit you like a truck
I wish silly would hit me with a truck
Lore question
I wish I could hit people with trucks
Why are things that aren't humans shaped like humans
Which ones
Ilmerians and elementals?
Examples include:
Moon lord
Elementals
Goblins
Fish people
Lihzards
Ilmerans are basicallg shaped like seahorses with the ability to grab things
Convergent evolution maybe?
I know the obvious reason is because this is fiction, but I mean the canon reason
Like they all evolved the same attributes separately?
Moon lord can't be this bc distortion evolution is completely different according to draetalk
We don’t know if moonlord from distortion
I mean I guess it could but
How could a big floating guy from distortion need the exact same muscle patterns and appearenced as little creatures from a different dimension
We don’t know if fovos from the distortion
besides fovos probably didn't evolve
Since he is from distortion he probably is entirely supernatural in nature
When was it said fovos from distortion
i think they cofnused fovos and noxus
Oh
I did not
fovos is just the Space Squid Man
What kind of fool do you take me for
One that thinks fovos DOES have a known connection to the distortion
proof?
I can't prove that I'm me
Where did you get that fovos was from distortion? It from space
I will type out the answer in morse code
fovos is not a distorter
he will never be friends with the disturtle
just say you have insider information
I have become the very thing I swore to destroy
daichin gets banned for leaking calamity lore
Shouldn't have said fovos was a distortion creature and stated it as fact smh
Christ you guys are about as subtle as a customer asking if the cashier meant to give them back too much change
Don’t think autistic people are know for being able to be subtle
damn ok
Draedon should be Dr eggman and piss on the moon
draedon au where he spends 2 centuries building a death star laser to blow up fovos alongside the entire moon
draedon rocking up to xeroc's sky palace with a slideshow on why blowing up the moon would be beneficial
Exactly
As far as I'm aware, Xeroc refuses to ever interfere with anything happening on terraria
Otherwise he'd be more significant in lore events, you know?
I subscribe to a similar theory
I would guess that he probably exclusively is waiting for noxus to try something
That xeroc wants to protect terraria exclusively from external threats and leave the planet to its own devices
Interesting
I mean his whole thing seems to be inspired by the dragons near-defeat at the hands of fovos
That would be scary
Yeah I think the same
Protect from things like fovos or noxus
But stuff like yharim or providence? Eh leave it that’s the planet being normal
Though if moonlord was fulls Trenton after being freed by us this would mean xeroc would interfere
"Trenton"
Maybe. We don't know
What would happen if one of providence's commanders got the soul instead
We would have had a different god
Perhaps more or less radical
Though idk if you can get more radical than providence
Providence is a nihilist or something, hence why she erases things
The others may be as bad in a different way
Hard to imagine something as bad as wanting to kill everything
I mean there literally cannot be anything worse
Like
Torture
Okay but whose ideology is to just torture every living creature on the planet forever
Making it so everyone on earth has to eat nothing but coleslaw forever
isn't coleslaw just cabbage and n stuff with ranch dressing on it
I don't like ranch dressing
yucky
it's kind of like salad but like bad
slaanesh
from warhammer
idk someone that created hell
providence is a cult leader and a hypocrite to her own doctrine
the fact that she has followers at all is proof
I don't know why providence isn't out and about killing everyone all the time
Like wtf is she waiting for
yharim too scary
Doggo too
Well I don't think dog is actively hunting her in new lore but still
Yharim knows where she is, at least I assume so
I imagine the only reason he isn't actively trying to get rid of her is because he's too busy wallowing in his self pity
his old man bones can't catch up with provi's eternal youth
supposedly he's going to be one of the endgame bosses so I don't think that holds up
Prov is pretty high up there but she's still below DoG, SCal, and Exos
Yharim, devourer,yharon,scal
They all are enough to be a impossible hurdle
She always fled when in danger
so she's a hypocrite AND a coward
They often kill themselves, and just because she is waiting to end the world instead of dying to yharim mid crusade doesn’t make her a hypocrite, just smart
noted
It’s why she survived the crusade
She knew when to flee a battle
I mean, so was the slime god, and the only reason Yharim left it alone as far as I can tell is because it didn't intentionally consume the auric soul, it kinda just stumbled upon it
unless I'm misreading the lore
even still, Yharim has, or had, the means to hunt them down if he wanted to, not only did he have the twins but he also had pretty much full control over Terraria for a solid few decades before we get there afaik
Evidently not as much as you thought, cause he does want them dead
unless they somehow leave Terraria I don't think they could just outrun him forever
They didn’t outrun forever, they outran him till he was too old
Plus slime god being a weak god and providence being much more dormant likely made them lower priority targets
okay but again, Yharim is planned to be a superboss, so "Yharim is old = more god activity" makes very little sense, unless he suddenly grew a conscience when he turned 100
deadpool
(not a superboss but yeah
or the final final boss, whatever he is
nah tf is john warhammer doing in lore discussion 😭
Yharim has like a decade left, he seems to want us to take the mantle godseeker so he prob thinks we will kill the last remaining gods
tbh i do think provi escaping yharim is kind of in a weird place rn because
slime god i can understand right
hes a slippery slimy guy, plus he even does escape from us and only dies when he gets trapped in the Crystal
Yharim is coping with the fact that silva can't be killed
Just hide in the mantle of the planet
buy more figurines, feed me money
but the idea with provi is that like
she can like, turn incorporeal ig since shes like made of fire
and that makes enough sense
but then sHe just
dosen't do that
when we're fighting her
the idea is that she got cocky and underestimated us and all that but
as far as we know xeroc could be killed conventionally but is just too strong, silva legit can't die
that seems a bit strange, i'll admit
silva also isn't a god though afaik she's an elemental
She both
why couldn't providence atleast Try
why doesn't she just go incorporeal when she realizes that she's getting blasted
Had profaned core from the guardians so she prob wanted that back
i think it'd be good to have a more solid reasoning as to why providence didn't escape
but did she want it so badly that she literally put herself in a situatioon where she Died for it
like
slime god makes sense because they got
Also why doesn't she just go into incorporeal mode and shoot fire at you or whatever without being able to be hit
Don’t the guardians have like 30% of her power, maybe that’s why
but provi, as far as we know, has no actual restrictions behind why she can't just
🏃♀️
I mean dog lets you kill him due to sheer cockiness too, he can make portals
i assume she probably can't go incorporeal and attack things or else she'd be kind of insane
tbf this one amkes more sense
because
in phase 2 of the reworked dog fight he'll send you to the distortion
so i assume its like
It’s dog, ofcourse he has the ego
DoG isn't smart, he's just good at lying
Not good at lying
dog notices hes losing outside of his domain > sends you into the distortion to go "haha surely in here they'll lose"
good at being convincing
he then realizes he's still dying
not luying
he then realizes since he sent you to the distortion he can't
you know
send you to the distortion
He can leave the distortion??
he could do that yeah but you're
basically on his home now
he could leave, regain his strenght or w/e and come back
but then you probably would do that too
and
he already has one Really Strong Guy on his home to deal with (Braelor)
make that Two and he has a problem
if noxus gets turned into a superboss what if you have to use ceaseless void to get into the distortion
Slime god ahh behavior
you will
regardless of noxus coming or not
distortion will be a fully explorable biome etc etc
The distortion is already going to able to be visited yeah
like you have to get succd by cv
Stars above did multiplayer subworlds so calamity distortion presumably will be able to as well
Pretty sure ceaseless fight will be how we unlock the ability to enter distortion
hi chat
killing cv spawns a portal that looks like cv's corpse in the center of the library?
because calamity
It would make sense if it had some kind of sentience of its own but it's literally just a portal
you're gonna be fighting the spell cultists put on it iirc
Lunatic cultist out a busted ass spell on the portal which is why it attacks
not like a prison
literally just let prinsoners of war die there lol
It was meant to be a prison but he stopped giving food and water so they died
Even the jailers did
No, some random tribe of people just fed a man pant a copious amount of souls
That's a fair point
All I can say is that there's more to it
Oh wait you mean polter
yes
Yeah
tjhat's good 2 hear
i trust you guys 🙏
Technically, you have to fight and break the reactive sealing spell
i'd personally like ceaseless more if it was like
less of the usual "boss fight"
and more of a sort of endurance type thing
like... think of torch god but like. an actual boss
Oh like the fight is a desperation ohase
i think it'd be a neat idea
ofc this isn't the Only path the fight could take to be Better it's just my personal take on it n stuff
It would be cool if you killed the cultists and broke their spell and the fight was just a bunch of ravenous distortion creatures flooding out immediately
I hate desperation phases as a concept but when the whole bossfight is just a bullet hell dodging simulator that's not as bad
Yeah, it's a neat idea
Though I feel like it'd polarize setups too much towards defense, if you can't really damage CV
Maybe cv could deal much higher defense damage if it were to go down that path
each attack only deals 10 damage but it ignores all defence and dr
5 minute long bullet hell
cv becomes a touhou boss
I really hate invulnerable phases in bossfights where you just have to dodge without damaging anything
Arbitrarily
They aren't bad
Just don't like em
Like the very last phase of astrageldon in cata after you get its health to zero and can still fucking die from those stupid asteroids when it's doing the death cutscene
desert scourge fixes the problem entirely where he becomes invulnerable, but he spawns his little guys
you're still attacking something, still fighting in the boss fight
Yeah but most of the time it’s pure dodge
Yeah I want to be able to hit something
I don't want to be forced to wait
That's my problem with fargo bosses
Don’t think there’s much of that except for mutant
If I wanted to turn my brain off and just focus on dodging I would play summoner
(Mostly because it slows down farming them later in the game when you still have to wait for their stupid dodge only phase to be over)
Whips make it so you do focus
lifelight also has an attack like that, though it will only occur once or twice in the whole fight if it's over in a normal amount of time iirc
calamity only adds like 3 whips
Nah briny baron, champion of shadow/darkness/whateved, etc.
Oh
Yeah and lifelight
Calamity doesn’t add whips
But kaleidoscope buffs your summon damage by 22%
10% crit and 12% damage
In calamity
Unofficial calamity whips turned to max damage
adds no whips 😅
personally i don't mind desperation or invulnerable phases inherently
obviously, sometimes i'll encounter one that i dislike, but that's more due to disliking the specific attacks used than desperation phases themselves
but overall i quite enjoy them
I do think scal has a few too many invincible phases but eh
That's... mathematically incorrect, but close enough. It's actually marginally higher than that
no there are a few I'm pretty sure
Amaidas sells one
unless that's added by catalyst
i tihnk it's added by catalyst
catalyst was unoffcial calamity whips
the coral crusher is from catalyst yeah
that makes sense then
the only "whip" cal adds is cnidarian
Calamity making whips do % damage boosts kinda keeps a few of them viable throughout the entire game
Primordial Dark
I know but idc to correct the like 1% error that it has
Random alternate dimension that dog and weaver are from and signus half so
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Also Noxus
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hi lore chat
he was born
it'0s old!
It hates xeroc for some reason (I wonder
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and blessed by silver the godeth of life
Oh that explains
Two auric dragons had a kid who didn’t get an auric soul
shrimple
(that’s probably what happened)
Auric souls are gifted, not passed down so
Yeah
They would’ve existed during the time period of auric dragons
just primordial is the first
same with fishrons lineage existing during the period of auric dragons
old duke is the proof of that
I mean like I’d think there were also a lot of regular looking aurics that lacked an auric soul after all of them were gifted away, and much later happened all fishrons, wyrms, follies etc
though whether old duke is the oldest fishron is up for debate
I mean after all the auric souls were givne away
Isn’t it older then xeroc
any dragon born will be just a dragon
Kinda like dragons crossbreeded with other species
likely
That’s what I think happened
my guess is that they were born like
just under halfway through the age of dragons
probably existed for most of it
Dragonfollies asfaik are one of the few draconic offshoots that seems to get stronger
with each generation
It would not make sense if two dragons have a child and it’s some pig mutant fish
eidolon wyrms seem to just possess the same amount of strength excluding Primordial
Well they are hunted into aggression and hiding so becoming stronger and better at fighting makes sense
they also live in the jungle
which yk
fuck the jungle
funniest thing to me is that eidolon wyrms aren’t the top of the food chain
Reaper Sharks actively hunt them
Btw, has the world always been in pre-hm before the terrarian? Or is it just from gameplay perspective?
Well the WoF was never broken
The average dragon would lose to a reaper shark
In calamity all wof holds is a fuck ton of god essence
reaper sharks are really well made to kill eidolons
but the stuff like
I mean like has Yharim ever seen a giant tortoise or a werewolf?
yeah
Yea
Ok
but dragons with abilities?
It would’ve been weird if you single-handedly spawn thousands of new species into the world
Like the strength of an eidolon being equivalent probably doesn’t account for the control of a domain
just physical strength
yeah
Ngl I’d be terrified if was a reaper shark and I accidentally stumbled onto jared
like all your life you’ve been hunting these dudes and then one multiple times larger just apppears
What’s jared? I heard ppl talking about it
Is it just prim wyrm
Jared just deletes them
Jared battle is actually so bs lmao
We beat it rather simply w my friend but it keeps shooting cultist attacks that deal like 1000 damage lmao
It’s meant to be like the dungeon guardian for teleporting in the abyss
My oc had a fun time with Jared
(He has a RoD built into his arm)
(bro was cooked)
he never actually killed jared
just managed to fend it off
Jared was not happy
indeed
Imo for my character Jared was a harder fight than Yharim
well physically
but definitely not psychologically
Jared is almost as strong as yharim and Jared prob ambushed so that makes sense
(I mean you literally fight Jared in extremely deep ocean and he’s also much more proficient in swimmingh
True
Like my dude is a survivor of illmeris so he has good experience swimming
but not in water like that
Gotta have to learn fast
also he’s fucking huge 
Yeah
Imo if Yharim were to fight Jared
He’d lose just cuase of terrain
Deep ocean is probably not where Yharim excels
Plus Jared old
giant clam solos every boss except crabulon
supreme clamitas
Tho auric rejection might be amped to the extrmee
just cause of water
yharim would probably be great at fishing
I think he’d spear fish
So there is a chance it doesn’t proc as much
jump into water
Pretty sure after illmeris he got all the fish he wants
grab something alive and suddenly everything in the water dies 
chat
do you guys agree like realistically jared wouldn’t be able to leave the abyss
ik he can ingame and he gets enraged
But I doubt there would be any way for Jared to hate “usurped light” from Xeroc if it hadn’t met Zeratros
well
They weren’t always that deep down
It was only after the hunting of the dragons
were they forced to go that deep
also probably what made them so incredibly tough considering the conditions they’d have to adjust to
If they can handle much lower to normal water pressure I don’t see why they can’t handle air for some duration of time
I just think the pressure change now would
I do think prolonged would have health effects or death
be catastrophic
Yeah for the normal ones, Jared I don’t think would get killed by the pressure
Health effects yeah
Perhaps
Little idea I had
I doubt Xeroc would honestly fight back against Jared
even if he was attacked
True, xeroc could prob just ignore Jared
Yeah
well idk about that
Jared could probably actually hurt Xeroc if he got careless
but he wouldn’t be the worst thing ever
it could be worse
Could be a lot worse
yeah
Imo the power gap from like
Yharim to Xeroc is like
2x
which is a shit ton but not an unrealistic amount
Imo, it’s a lot more then that due to I think devs saying prime moonlord would lose to xeroc and what prime moonlord can do
Since yharim is around equal to zeratros
imo the gap is like
1.1x for zera cause I feel like he’d be slightly stronger than yharim
1.6-1.7 for fovos
and 2 for xeroc
(this is in relation to Yharim)
Guessed that
Especially cause Zeratros didn’t actually die from Fovos
Character lore detected??
I like when ppl do that
He was dying, but the fight ended before that
yeah he’s my silly little guy
me when I make up a character in my head and give them a ton of trauma
:3
Well I’d consider that zeratros was considered going to die to the wounds I’d say they would have died to fovos just would have taken a bit for the wounds to catch up
Real (my chars home was razed by Providence :3)
Yeah
Just that he didn’t die mid fight
Mine was a survivor of Illmeris
and a citizen of it
so scal and yharim are a bit of a sore spot for him
(Also the fact that most dragons cannot even relatively compare to Zeratros)
Yeah
I went with the isekai route for my character
But he’s not from our world
So fovos killing a lot of them might just genuinely be them getting one shot lol
oc’s and power difference
Mix between character lore and how strong Xeroc is
True
this sums up my thoughts on power difference
as in my character is literally just a self insert and i think my life story is like pretty interesting given how much insane things happen on it so
by all means my character has very interesting and indepth lore
My char wanted to forget her memories so bad she ended up mowing her childhood home biome down to the underworld
Guh
Mine gets to confront both scal and yharim
also I had a really silly idea for the scal fight
cause of the rod in his arm
Guys my character is soooo cool he beat Yharim and scal and xeroc and moon lord and Fovos and noxus all at the same time and everybody likes him and they’re invincible an-
he uses it to teleport into scals bubble shield
and absolutely rock her shit with a punch
guys my character forgot a egg she was supposed to boil on the fire for too long once
and by too long i mean like
way too long
so it turned into a charred orb
it looked like ash
this was when she was like 14 and it became a prevalent inside joke amongst a certain friend group
sooo true
(my character gets his ass beat a lot)
he beat Yharim on a fluke
Don’t think getting in close range of the person who can just combust into a brimstone explosion would lead to the most ideal outcomes for your health
I doubt she was expecting it
well actually I don’t doubt
Fair
I know she didn’t

