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#lore-discussion
thorny marlin
ik
split mortar
Yeah so he knows our greatest battles
thorny marlin
how can yharim watch us tho he's in the dragon aerie
deft vessel
He uses like astral projektion or smthing
split mortar
how can yharim watch us tho he's in the dragon aerie
Litterally magic, astral projection or some magic eye
thorny marlin
Litterally magic, astral projection or some magic eye
astral projection?
split mortar
Out of body type thing
dusk field
man
the more I read the lore the more I feel bad for Yharim more than anything
sinful adder
Read more closely
dusk laurel
he committed genocide
dusk field
oh no he's done some awful things, don't get me wrong
dusk laurel
he actively used propaganda to hide away the benevolent gods
dusk field
but he became the very thing he swore to destroy
sinful adder
The dragons and gods were both pretty much just as bad as each other
He doesn't regret any of the things that actually matter. He is perfectly fine with doing genocide, he just regrets making a kid do genocide
split mortar
I’d say dragons a bit better
sinful adder
The dragons made humans live underground
dusk laurel
isnt chrysadia literally in the sky
sinful adder
Some of the gods are completely benevolent
Yeah there was like one place that wasn't underground l
split mortar
isnt chrysadia literally in the sky
Yeah
Maybe humans lived in the caves by their own choice because they got intimidated by dragons
Don’t think we know enough about dragons to say they’re equal to gods in morality
dusk field
I would also live underground if giant flying fire breathing lizards were a common sight
split mortar
Considering one was the dragon of fire and one was dragon of death, I’d say their existence could cause collateral that would mean caves were better
And aerie I think was some graveyard for them to be revived not a house for them though I might be wrong
dusk field
considering the rock that Xeroc gives you was carved from the Aerie, I imagine it was a location and not a building
dusk laurel
its a massive sky island
split mortar
Yeah it was a location but if I remember correctly it was where yharon revived them
real silo
Yeah there was like one place that wasn't underground l
is it the sky civilisation
In which case that's funny
dusk laurel
yea
real silo
because that one's also protected by a dragon
split mortar
its a massive sky island
Though it does something weird to cause it to be immaterial and invisible or something
dusk field
all in all, calamity's terraria kinda just sucks to live in
split mortar
Yeah
dusk field
no matter who you are
split mortar
Though permafrost has been fine except for the five year entrapment
Don’t think he has had a rough life apart from being in cryogen for a few years
And he is older then yharim
dusk laurel
i cant wait for the rewritten dialogue
split mortar
Same
real silo
even if permafrost is older than yharim there's no way he's old enough to have been alive before the god era
dusk laurel
permafrost is def not 500+ years
split mortar
Yeah god era started like 800 years ago
Yharim is very old with 130 so I doubt perma passes 200
ionic lava
is he older than goku tho
dusk laurel
how old is goku
dusk laurel
then yes
split mortar
Pretty sure permafrost and yharim are not normal for ages
Yharim is attuned to the dragon of rebirth
And permafrost is one of the smartest human mages
dusk laurel
i wonder how many other people have been attuned
split mortar
Plus they would have really good healthcare during crusade due to draedon possibly helping in some way
dusk field
it slowed his aging by 40%
checks out
split mortar
Cal may have a lengthened lifetime aswell thanks to her magics though I doubt it would do good for her body
dusk field
is it ever explained where her magic came from
dusk laurel
not really
real silo
not yet
dusk laurel
maybe brimmy
split mortar
It’s related to brimstone elemental
real silo
but the explanation does exist
real silo
Cal may have a lengthened lifetime aswell thanks to her magics though I doubt it...
she's still like 30
split mortar
Yeah
real silo
she's a long ways away from being grandma age
split mortar
Never said she is older then normal
Just that when she reaches those ages she may have a longer time left then others
split mortar
Her magics can bring things from the dead so I don’t see why it can’t be used for longer life, though slowly turning into something with the mind of Ravager doesn’t seem like a good fate
real silo
Permafrost is frieren
dusk field
bro has a 3 hour long skincare routine every morning
dusk field
permafrost and calamitas kicking their feet and giggling while putting makeup on and gossiping about yharim
split mortar
They be talking about how much he deserves an ass whooping
spring helm
It’s not like Calamitas can only use brimstone and necromancy
She’s just kinda shit at the other stuff
split mortar
She did make cryogen afterall
split mortar
She’s just kinda shit at the other stuff
Plus it can randomly explode into fire
spring helm
Apparently Draedon’s definition of “unskilled” includes making a prison to house an archmage
🤷♂️
split mortar
Well draedon is a super intelligent ai, he prob views almost anything unskilled
dusk laurel
perma probably also wasnt resisting calamitas putting him in a cube
spring helm
They be talking about how much he deserves an ass whooping
“I hate him thiiiis much”
giggles “Oh yeah? Well I hate him thiiiiiiis much!”
I regret typing that
spring helm
JOHN WARHAMMER???!!!?!!!
dusk field
yes
spring helm
split mortar
JOHN WARHAMMER???!!!?!!!
How’d it take you that long to notice their name
spring helm
Because people change them semi-frequently here
split mortar
Yeah they do
dusk field
so like
is moon lord from the distortion
do we know
dusk field
wack
spring helm
Really is like the Bronze Age collapse
split mortar
Nah he just a strong ass alien that appeared
dusk laurel
sea peoples moment
spring helm
sea peoples moment
Real asf
“The sea peoples destroyed a bunch of civilizations.”
“And who are these sea peoples?“
“Idk”
spring helm
I guess
dusk field
what if the real moonlord was actually the friends we made along the way
what are the pillars as well actually
spring helm
Remnants of Moon Lord’s legs (idk)
dusk field
would make sense for them to be festering remnants of what the dragons took off the moonlord
split mortar
I theorise that they are dragons using moonlords power and flesh that was damaged off against it to keep it on the moon
I know it’s very vanilla but imo vanilla made it hard to interpret it otherwise
ionic lava
moonlords gang
split mortar
Some theorise that they’re the army of moonlord and each one represent a planet moonlord had taken over
true hatch
Well, I'm pretty sure the Lunatic Cultist is keeping Moonlord back.
That's why he rocks up when you kill the guys out the front of the temple, because he's like "Nah I ain't letting you do that chief"
split mortar
Yeah in cal he is keeping moonlord away
ionic lava
yes u kill lunatic cultist and then the pillars come
spring helm
After getting jumped the first time Moon Lord learnt his lesson and became the one jumping
dusk field
what even is the player
like are we just some joe schmoe that woke up one morning and decided we were going to kill the gods
ionic lava
so pillars are with moonlord
spring helm
Unfortunately the Terrarian is jump resistant so he still died
true hatch
God I find that so funny. Like, lore wise. You rock up, learn about this eldritch entity being held back by this cult, and you're like "Nah I'd win"
And then proceed to kill them just so you can kill Moonlord for good lol
dusk field
i c
bleak escarp
Personally my view is that we’re like 6 of the gnomes put together in stone skin form which is why we’re op
dusk field
God I find that so funny. Like, lore wise. You rock up, learn about this eldritc...
Moonlord ain shit fr fr I would rock his shit back to the cretaceous era, bro wouldn't even know what him em
bleak escarp
6x
dusk laurel
Moonlord ain shit fr fr I would rock his shit back to the cretaceous era, bro wo...
well, he's been weakened
true hatch
Moonlord ain shit fr fr I would rock his shit back to the cretaceous era, bro wo...
Moonlord when I pull out the coins and Sniper Rifle (He's about to learn what a Railcoin is)
dusk field
full strength moonlord superboss? 👀
dusk laurel
he's already dead
bleak escarp
Then we need to beat up yharim cuz he killed the gnome god
dusk laurel
maybe an addon
dusk field
I will bring his ass back to life just so i can kill him again
true hatch
he's already dead
TBF that hasn't stopped characters before.
Silva is... not entirely dead. Yet
dusk laurel
TBF that hasn't stopped characters before.
Silva is... not entirely dead. Yet
she's the goddess of life
ionic lava
can we kill her
dusk laurel
no
bleak escarp
I will bring his ass back to life just so i can kill him again
Call up calamitas to rez the moonlord she can bring back the dead I think
split mortar
full strength moonlord superboss? 👀
He would prob be like xeroc and be unkillable even at yharim level
true hatch
I wonder if we'll ever end up fighting Statis and Braelor
dusk laurel
He would prob be like xeroc and be unkillable even at yharim level
he's like stronger than noxus i think
dusk field
who is noxus again
true hatch
He would prob be like xeroc and be unkillable even at yharim level
"Xeroc is unkillable"
That's going to change if he ever gets a release into the game lol
split mortar
Call up calamitas to rez the moonlord she can bring back the dead I think
Yeah but it would take like her entire life to bring it back close
dusk laurel
who is noxus again
master of the distortion
split mortar
"Xeroc is unkillable"
That's going to change if he ever gets a release into the...
Xeroc survives our fight
bleak escarp
Yeah but it would take like her entire life to bring it back close
Then you use the magic power of npc’s always coming back to life
split mortar
who is noxus again
Being in the distortion who is the boss of the distortion
Also may or may not be causing a hivemind in the distortion
true hatch
Xeroc survives our fight
Can't be sure of that. We could actually just dumpster him, who knows
dusk laurel
Can't be sure of that. We could actually just dumpster him, who knows
xeroc is stronger than peak fovos...
split mortar
And peak fovos makes yharim look weak
dusk field
is respawning a canon thing that the terrarian is capable of in-universe
or are you technically first trying every single boss in their eyes
true hatch
And I'm pretty sure the Terrarian is like, actually just immortal.
Seeing as NPCs will mention your deaths
split mortar
is respawning a canon thing that the terrarian is capable of in-universe
or are ...
It’s normally uncanon but you can headcanon it in
dusk laurel
And I'm pretty sure the Terrarian is like, actually just immortal.
Seeing as NP...
thats vanilla i think
split mortar
And I'm pretty sure the Terrarian is like, actually just immortal.
Seeing as NP...
Npc dialogue outdated for the most part I think
And cirrus isn’t canon I think
true hatch
Npc dialogue outdated for the most part I think
Doesn't Calamitas mention it if you lose in her fight?
dusk laurel
outdated
split mortar
Boss dialogue outdated
dusk laurel
she's getting rewitten dialogue
true hatch
"Outdated"
How can it be outdated if nothing contradicts it, and it's said ingame
dusk laurel
its confirmed to be outdated
split mortar
"Outdated"
How can it be outdated if nothing contradicts it, and it's said inga...
Cause that dialogue is back when old lore is canon
dusk field
because like, if you as the terrarian are just plowing through the bosses the whole game, and we can eventually do the same to yharim himself, the terrarian might genuinely be on track to being the strongest character in the calamity universe
split mortar
Yeah normally we do one try the bosses
dusk laurel
no auric soul = weak
split mortar
Unless you headcanon losses
true hatch
because like, if you as the terrarian are just plowing through the bosses the wh...
Oh we either have plot armour (if dying isn't canon) or absolutely absurd amounts of determination (if dying is canon)
split mortar
no auric soul = weak
Yharim is basically equal to zeratros
wheat walrus
Oh we either have plot armour (if dying isn't canon) or absolutely absurd amount...
dying isn't canon
split mortar
Unless headcanoned in
dusk laurel
Yharim is basically equal to zeratros
dragons are weak 
true hatch
no auric soul = weak
Yharim killed like, 90% of the Auric-Soul possessing gods without one. You can be strong without an Auric Soul, it just takes actual effort
split mortar
I think they’re joking
dusk laurel
ye
split mortar
dragons are weak <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
Dragons are weaker then people may presume (avg dragon equal to normal eidolon wyrm) but they are not weak
true hatch
Also can we just mention that we canonically did something in like, 30 minutes that Draedon couldn't do in hundreds of years? Which is stabilising Miracle Matter?
dusk laurel
Dragons are weaker then people may presume (avg dragon equal to normal eidolon w...
i know
split mortar
Draedon has had Exo tech for like five years
He didn’t have it before leaving
So it’s more around a decade
true hatch
Oops
Still, bro is a supergenius, and we did something he couldn't do in like, an hour
dusk laurel
we only have a few dates so far
dusk field
"damn this shit would make a cool weapon" compresses miracle matter with bare hands
dusk laurel
draedon forge moment
split mortar
Oops
Still, bro is a supergenius, and we did something he couldn't do in like, ...
Looking at the crafting recipe looks like we just put like random powerful things with prisms and got it by luck
true hatch
Which is kind of nuts in and of itself though. Like, the thing that sets the Terrarian apart, IMO, is their uncanny ability to turn literally anything they get their hands on into a weapon of some sort. Like, all their shit is self-made, and they just do it with whatever the fuck they just ripped out of the ground 5 minutes ago
split mortar
Yeah
spring helm
draedon doesnt have access to auric
skill issue
split mortar
Which is kind of nuts in and of itself though. Like, the thing that sets the Ter...
True it is nuts, but I don’t think we know how it would take someone like yharim to do what we do
true hatch
draedon doesnt have access to auric
Still, the fact that we just kind went "Stick it all into a blender" and it worked is pretty on track with our ability to just... make weapons and armour out of anything we get our hands on
real silo
now that draedon knows how to tame auric he's gonna spawncamp yharon every ten years
dusk laurel
insane luck ig
dusk field
the terrarian is secretly the one who invented draedon reborn
split mortar
Pretty sure he would rather ask yharon how to make artificial auric souls instead or slowly harvest small bits for fragments instead of instant death
true hatch
I doubt Yharon would oblige
split mortar
Since yharon would be a good research specimen
dusk laurel
draedon when there is no more world souls to break
spring helm
Draedon watching the Terrarain waste the (extremely valuable and limited in supply) auric bars by making toilets
split mortar
draedon when there is no more world souls to break
By that point he would probably find a way to make them
true hatch
Draedon when I get inside his house (This wasn't part of the plan):
dusk field
Draedon watching the Terrarain waste the (extremely valuable and limited in supp...
don't care didn't ask ratio l mald seethe cope
split mortar
dusk laurel
computer, fetch me my list of slurs
split mortar
Who did yharim divorce
dusk laurel
draedon
split mortar
Oh
spring helm
what the hell who made that
split mortar
Oh
dusk laurel
balding
split mortar
Now she has no choice but to go full bald
dusk laurel
she needs her self care spells perma gave her
spring helm
calamitas when seafood
split mortar
She is angry rn so she will just combust her hair with uncontrolled fire
dusk laurel
calamitas when seafood
ilmeris moment
split mortar
calamitas when seafood
She really did a
what is this one
What is that meant to be
spring helm
i forgot the name of the game
dusk laurel
i think thats foxy
split mortar
Oh
spring helm
crash bandicoot
dusk field
dusk laurel
oh
spring helm
wait it's foxy?
split mortar
Could she go with that line down the centre?
Or will she start from bald and grow it back
spring helm
there are many benefits to having brimstone magic
dusk laurel
brimmy hair care
calm patio
well she can go bald or balding
split mortar
there are many benefits to having brimstone magic
Let’s hope that doesn’t burn the rest of the hair
dusk laurel
average day in azafure
split mortar
Turns out it’s full bald no matter what
thorny marlin
Turns out it’s full bald no matter what
nah
what if
everybody in azafure was either bald or had white hair
stark basalt
wheat walrus
Supreme Witch Calamitas, fully highballing and wanking the sea-boiling feat to the max
VS
Fayfay
might be close
I also just noticed that the pixel art for SCal here has skull-fireballs, not normal fireballs lmao
real silo
smolamitas
ionic fjord
Who defeated Silva? Also, is she more good or evil aligned?
spring helm
Yharim beat her
real silo
we don't know how good she was
spring helm
good aligned according to stip but dev statements aren't really canon
only stuff in the game is fully canon, and we have no info on silva there other than she lost to yharim and got banished to the abyss (at least) twice
true hatch
Also isn't Braelor her champion, or was he champion of a different god?
ionic fjord
Good enough. Thanks.
real silo
He is indeed her champion
true hatch
And Statis is alive, somewhere
spring helm
silva can't die and braelor's in the distortion
and yeah statis is just hanging out somewhere
true hatch
silva can't die and braelor's in the distortion
We don't know if she can't die. Just that if she can, it'd be really fucking hard
spring helm
yharim couldn't do it so that's pretty close to not dying
also the elementals can respawn or something
true hatch
Given that to become the Goddess of life, the Dragon of life would have needed to die, and presumably it had a pretty similar skillset
spring helm
im not sure how that works with god ascension
true hatch
I always assumed that they needed to die, given they're basically extinct now
true hatch
I don't think Elementals are related to god ascension?
spring helm
silva was an elemental before she ascended
true hatch
Oh
spring helm
of nature
true hatch
Do the Elementals respawn, or are their just multiple of them?
I assumed Brimmy and Anahita were both one off fights, though I'm not sure how that works with them showing up in the Heart of the Elements very much not dead
spring helm
the elementals for the HoE are just fragments, not the real deal
i think they can split up in a way, because the cloud elemental you fight is just part of a bigger one
true hatch
Anahita is a specific elemental, though. Not just "A Water Elemental" it's specifically Anahita
warm gull
There is only one water elemental
real silo
No anahita is The Water Elemental
warm gull
Her name is anahita
true hatch
No anahita is The Water Elemental
Ah. Still, that doesn't change my point of "If we killed her how does she show up in the Heart of the Elements"
true hatch
i interpret this as meaning that they can split themselves too
The Brimlings are very different to a whole ass elemental though
warm gull
I don't think heart of the elements is canon + elementals can't die
dusk laurel
im not sure if HotE is canon
spring helm
it's not a dev item
true hatch
Heart isn't a dev/donator item, so I don't see why it wouldn't be Canon
spring helm
so it's probably canon
the individual accessories that make up the HoE say "summons an elemental" so i assume the ones you summon are just a small fragment of the bigger ones
like the cloud elementals you fight
true hatch
The Sand Elementals are definitely different to the one we kill.
But if the Elementals are practically immortal, then it doesn't really matter
spring helm
i still dont know why there are two sand elementals
true hatch
Anyway if Elementals are practically immortal then Silva probably can't be killed for good in that case
true hatch
the individual accessories that make up the HoE say "summons *an* elemental" so ...
This still doesn't entirely explain why they actually help you fight.
Brimmy and Anahita can kinda be explained since they're specific Elementals, but I'm still unsure about the others
true hatch
It worked with Calamitas I don't see why it wouldn't work on other bosses
thorny marlin
It worked with Calamitas I don't see why it wouldn't work on other bosses
will it work on yharim?
true hatch
Depends if he's like... actually regretful or Gaslightmaxxing
thorny marlin
no he's ahab
worthy geyser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnJdkMFRFU is this a fan thing or what
magic epoch
wtf happened here
tall crest
Depends if he's like... actually regretful or Gaslightmaxxing
i think he's regretful but he's gaslightmaxxing and also going to kill you.
devs have confirmed you cant recruit yharim tho
sudden ruin
scary
tall crest
wtf happened here
mitosis
true hatch
i think he's regretful but he's gaslightmaxxing and also going to kill you.
devs...
Not if I kill him first
sudden ruin
discord buggy
magic epoch
you shouldn't be able to recruit him that's like fucked up
tall crest
i want him in my town
tall crest
i want to house him and calamitas in the forest together. and watch them throw hands
magic epoch
yharim as a town npc would be like the tax collector
sudden ruin
i want to kill and scavenge his dead corpse
magic epoch
but he takes money from you
sudden ruin
of riches
tall crest
i need to be able to set up a candlelit dinner with yharim. ty
tall crest
anyway you killed his worm and his dragon so. he wouldnt join u
sudden ruin
god i want calamity to have two endings
tall crest
but like imaginneeee
sudden ruin
it could easilly
true hatch
but he takes money from you
That's just the Goblin Tinkerer
tall crest
me: bby why ur hands so cold
yharim: that me armor
magic epoch
the possibility of some of the best accessories
sudden ruin
yharim doesnt have hands anymore
magic epoch
(tinkerer's workshop)
sudden ruin
they withered down to bone
true hatch
I shrimply will not pay taxes.
The Tax Collect implies that Taxes aren't even law, people just pay them anyway
tall crest
yharim doesnt have hands anymore
theyre too busy holding mine 💯
sudden ruin
ur holding a skeleton
tall crest
and?
sudden ruin
fair
magic epoch
take off his armor
tall crest
no
sudden ruin
he is not pretty under that
magic epoch
do it
tall crest
it is vital that the armor stays on
magic epoch
he's bald
tall crest
i know
sudden ruin
EW
tall crest
bro was like 90% incinerated by magma
he is mostly scar tissue
but the armor is attractive to me so i want it to stay.
sudden ruin
bald and like old floppy skin
magic epoch
Bro think he Darth 😭😭😭
tall crest
i dont know nothin on star wars
sudden ruin
hes got some stray hairs here and there
magic epoch
i dont know nothin on star wars
(fire scars)
tall crest
oh. no i think he looks truly fucked up under there
not just prettyboy fire scars, like
burn victims. that kinda thing
sudden ruin
like a rotting corpse
tall crest
but like over his entire body
tall crest
lawlsi desperately trying to make yharim sound unappealing to me but my love of fictional men who gaslight gatekeep girlboss is too strong
guyboss. w/e
sudden ruin
i mean i think the design is cool
a man on the brink of death still powerful because of his armor?
pretty sick
true hatch
Yharim about to guysperience why shooting a coin is indeed a martial art
untold oracle
He WAS gaslighted by Yharim
calm patio
what wrong with a lil genocide
should we tell em how many people yharim has roughly killed?
calm patio
half of the population, cei estimated 300million people in total
fallow steeple
half of the population, cei estimated 300million people in total
mm maybe if we give him a chance
fallow steeple
well like
what if those 300 mil people were chill like that
Ion think they angry
calm patio
innocent people*
untold oracle
<:clueless:1064298508653432933> mm maybe if we give him a chance
Then he’ll kill the other half
trim edge
since the terrarian's lore is up to the player, they can just really want to kill calamitas for some reason
and yet they still can't
sparing calamitas isn't because of the terrarian's sympathy, it's just her plot armour
dusk field
I find it ironic that Providence is supposed to look like a moth
"like a moth drawn to a flame"
all of her followers were drawn to her promise of purification
not sure if that's intentional or not
junior bramble
I’d be malding too if I were draedon imagine you’re working tirelessly for centuries on your ultimate weapon and then some random nobody comes calls your creations stupid names and then defeats your best weapons by throwing shit at it
One of the funniest characters
Personally really like the idea that the terrarian isn’t some skilled warrior but a genuine lobotomite who 50% stumbles upwards and 50% locks in to defeat literal gods
You can’t tell me that he can just create these powerful technologies and weapons I think he legit just smashes material together and wires it randomly and it just works
dusk field
the terrarian is an ork from 40k
stark basalt
woeful patio
since the terrarian's lore is up to the player, they can just really want to kil...
Just put her in a pit of lava everytime she respawn
Wait is she immune to it?
Oh well spikes
calm patio
iirc yea
latent bolt
wooden spikes + boulder statues
dusk laurel
the temple in 1.4.5
split mortar
languid badge
Nuh uh
split mortar
Why is there two
true hatch
Two of what?
deft vessel
Behold.
Fovos, the star-spawned horror
split mortar
Two of what?
I see two of the draetism image
split mortar
I can’t even interact with the image what
magic epoch
I see two of the draetism image
there's one
split mortar
I think I glitched discord for a bit cause the second one gone
thorny marlin
because fuck you. you spared him you deserve it
why would i deserve it
if i spared him
mighty zenith
because you spared piss colored hitler
thorny marlin
because you spared piss colored hitler
true...
junior bramble
Terraria is an underrated roleplay game ngl
untold oracle
Behold.
Fovos, the star-spawned horror
Make the tentacles larger
And add the cyan colour to the ends
Otherwise you cooked
wheat walrus
primorbial lite math
wheat walrus
wedunno yet
untold oracle
I see
eternal elk
pls someone tell me what the secret on the dark side of the moon for shpc means
deft vessel
Yo made this for the god of sacrifices. But it feels like it’s missing something
eternal elk
pls someone tell me what the secret on the dark side of the moon for shpc means
deft vessel
Prob just a funny tooltip
mighty zenith
pls someone tell me what the secret on the dark side of the moon for shpc means
i assume you're talking about cal overhaul
thick slate
@eternal elk stop spamming this question in every channel, itll be answered if people know + use only help channels
thick slate
Yo made this for the god of sacrifices. But it feels like it’s missing something
blade
thick slate
definitely not inspired by the ravager concept art
deft vessel
I havent seen it
tall delta
What is Terminus?
Xeroc created the terminus with instructions made by someone else on how to create It and is used in auric soul ritual to get the same domain
well afaik it is that
could be wrong
deft vessel
Sorb
deft vessel
That cool
deft vessel
He has a anologue horror ahh face
thick slate
reminds me of carnage from marvel
deft vessel
I can see that
thick slate
yelling the blade at you
misty rampart
ngl that would be a nice ravager model
the one we got rn in calamity looks like a angry block of wood.
empty dew
Welp, I need some help if that's fine to ask
Does Sea King's name, Amidias, mean something or not?
tall delta
Where did this come from
by the same person who made these ravagers up there
pretty loreful
tall delta
dont worry im probably way more outta the loop
thick slate
im still in old lore
deft vessel
Huh?
deft vessel
There def should be like something of a ravager refight post providence to explain bloodflare
thick slate
you not going to believe this
deft vessel
It does not count he gets like 2 more hp
deft vessel
Will he no longer be the flesh golem?
mighty zenith
well, just look at the concept art posted earlier
deft vessel
Oh
thick slate
he'll be flesh gorilla
deft vessel
Thats one fucked up looking gorilla
sleek halo
Thats one fucked up looking gorilla
well if you were beaten to death
by likely yharim
and then resurrected
you wouldn’t look like a healthy gorilla
now would u
deft vessel
Nah the cultist just suck at their job
thick slate
i would
sleek halo
well if you were beaten to death
completely mangled mind you
like
bro was fucked up
badly
thick slate
personally i would be fully intact gorilla
sleek halo
no you’d be a jet
thick slate
id like to see ravager survive that
sleek halo
a jet?
deft vessel
The golem hp creep is way too big
sleek halo
or what he literally went through
cause he did not in fact survive that
also i like the idea that the god of sacrifice was likely around the same strength of provi
deft vessel
Nah the cultist just suck at their job
He should have gotten better cultists
Also
Fovos, the star-spawned horror
sharp maple
Bro took skipping leg day to the extreme.
eternal elk
does anyone know what to do for the 8th trail on shpc
warm gull
Also
Fovos, the star-spawned horror
legs atrophied a bit during the time trapped in the moon I think
sleek halo
also i like the idea that the god of sacrifice was likely around the same streng...
My headcanon is still that the God of Sacrifices wasn’t a bad person
and that they almost never used the life of a person as the sacrifice
just rather a sacrifice of time and effort, and occasionally things you have attachment to
deft vessel
To add his cultist loved him so much they killed them selves to resoruct hin
deft vessel
Pretty depressing
sleek halo
so it’d also make sense why ravager would be above providence
sleek halo
yea
i think so
idk
but i do view gos having a much more humanoid appearance than ravager
deft vessel
Like he was normal sized but now he has all that extra mass
Couse there are like 10 extra skulls
brittle girder
why is it in jail
thick slate
infernum thing
deft vessel
#freemyman
mighty zenith
why is it in jail
scary portal
brittle girder
when the ops are capable of horrors beyond comprehension
deft vessel
scary portal
That was 100% and undoubtedly made by the devourer
thick slate
undautetly 💔
deft vessel
Englis hard
mighty zenith
this shit so incomprehensible 😭
split mortar
Yeah
deft vessel
Who invented this
random mulch
leaked yharim fight
split mortar
We are going to get auric yeeted through the map
deft vessel
Sir get down!
strong notch
We will be forced to play auric golf
devout grove
why is it in jail
Tax fraud
strong notch
And learn that Yharim is master at golf
split mortar
He just walks the ball through the obstacles and always scores
split mortar
You just insta die if you lose
rigid echo
is there a page somewhere where i can read all the old tooltips for the lore items
split mortar
Don’t think so, maybe in the patch notes in the wiki
warm gull
holy powerscaling, omni-man!
wheat walrus
holy powerscaling, omni-man!
swift badger
holy powerscaling, omni-man!
Gets dogged by John Calamity
split mortar
Sibling of John wulfrum
swift badger
Real
void wadi
We will be forced to play auric golf
the Dragon's Aerie just having a hidden golf course on release would be so funny
split mortar
Is primordial wyrm getting angry at chaos canon? If so does that mean that normality and rod of discord possibly hold a tiny amount of usurped light
strong notch
Is primordial wyrm getting angry at chaos canon? If so does that mean that norma...
Wyrm is supposed to protect the Terminus from Xeroc whose presence is accompanied by primordial light, by getting chaos debuff it essentially thinks we are Xeroc and attempts to attack us
split mortar
Alrighty
sly bloom
If the Wyrm was blessed by Silva, doesn’t this kind of imply that Silva and Xeroc have beef?
split mortar
Maybe? Though it could be that she is neutral to xeroc and wyrm hates and she just helps fren
wooden kayak
Wyrm is supposed to protect the Terminus from Xeroc whose presence is accompanie...
Im pretty sure it just hates Primordial light
sinful adder
If the Wyrm was blessed by Silva, doesn’t this kind of imply that Silva and Xero...
I think this is likely
sinful adder
Im pretty sure it just hates Primordial light
Xeroc is primordial light
wooden kayak
Xeroc is primordial light
I know that
sinful adder
Then it hates Xeroc
split mortar
It’s specifically “usurped light”
Idk what that means but it ain’t primordial light in its natural state
mighty zenith
personally that just sounds like jared's extended hatred of xeroc to primordial light since it was usurped from zeratros
split mortar
Why did they remove the friendly Jared bug
sinful adder
It’s specifically “usurped light”
Idk what that means but it ain’t primordial l...
Xeroc took Zeratros' power
Which was primordial light
split mortar
Yeah I know, I do assume it is xeroc taking zeratros power but it could be a twist that “usurped light” is just primordial light that is controlled by something meaning it would attack zeratros aswell
Unlikely but a possibility as far as I know
sinful adder
I take this to mean that the worm isn't that smart and is trained to attack anything with primordial light by Silva
split mortar
It’s a close relative of the dragons which were human level atleast so I’d assume it has enough to tell
Though apes are close to humans and that’s not the case so maybe not
stark basalt
split mortar
Kana knows the best time
soft geyser
Fabsol is yharim
warm gull
fabrim
supple thunder
cirrus is yharim’s sister then
fervent palm
am i in calamity
calm patio
no
fervent palm
sucks
spring helm
You could be
pliant ruin
can we get azazel in calamity.....
rotund shore
Can my super cool oc emmet calhoun be in calamity…
He’s the funniest character we’ve ever seen
(If anybody knows what I’m referencing you’re based)
spring helm
lego movie
lone moss
Crossover question once again.
How would lore-accurate Calamitas (pre-encounter with the player, but after she had left Yharim) would interact with Undertale's Underground? If she somehow found herself there.
lone moss
(If anybody knows what I’m referencing you’re based)
Half-Life Blue Shift?
Where Barney Calhoun is our player character (and all around a major character in Half-Life universe, when it comes to stuff related to Gordon Freeman).
rotund shore
Half-Life Blue Shift?
That’s shockingly close, but no
spring helm
How would lore-accurate Calamitas (pre-encounter with the player, but after she ...
i dont think she'd be surprised by the presence of monsters, but she'd incinerating flowey the moment he tries the to kill her
idk who'd win though
true hatch
Well, it really depends if Calamitas usurps Flowey's ability to make saves.
If she does, he's cooked, if not it gets harder to tell
lone moss
Well, it really depends if Calamitas usurps Flowey's ability to make saves.
If ...
I'll assume she does, albeit it would likely take her a while before she figures out that she can travel backwards in time at will in this place.
true hatch
I mean, it isn't even "Can she use it effectively"
Just the fact that it means Flowey can't use it means he's fucked. He's toast. He's got nothing
tall crest
literal toast considering her magic
lone moss
I mean, it isn't even "Can she use it effectively"
Just the fact that it means ...
As for relationship with locals, how it would likely go? Calamitas is way too strong for Asgore to take her on and expect to win. And stuff powered by souls is not news for Calamitas.
true hatch
She's definitely not socially adjusted. But yeah, she's not a bad person
lone moss
First encounter with Toriel is gonna be... Awkward for both parties.
Toriel sees the first adult human in a long, long time, and Calamitas is... As said above - not very well adjusted socially.
pliant ruin
she's not a mean person. edgy, but not mean
well her aesthethic is definitely a little on the edgy side of things but i'd disagree when it comes to personality
i can see why you'd think this given her dialogue ingame rn does kind of give that off though
but that one is uh
really outdated
tall crest
well her aesthethic is definitely a little on the edgy side of things *but* i'd ...
she's got a pretty edgy personality. this isn't a bad thing
fallow steeple
is calamitas a human or a giant eyeball thingy like the boss
pliant ruin
I'm aware that edgy isn't = bad but i still disagree
because once again
her ingame dialogue is incredibly outdated and out of character rn
true hatch
I feel like the Garden dialogue might still be in character
But yeah most of the other ones aren't
pliant ruin
as a lore writer put it
she's not antisocial, she's a introvert, or atleast that's what her character is supposed to be - some of the current in-game quotes give off the former instead of the latter
Not all of the dialogue is out of character but a good bit of it is imo
alot of people in the community mischaracterize her as someone who would tell you to fuck off (or set you on fire) if you invited her to a party when in reality it'd be more like
she wouldn't expect being invited to the party and would either politely decline because she's not feeling like it or is busy with something or if she accepted she'd just like
fallow steeple
Yeah but isn't she like a giant brimstone eyeball
pliant ruin
avoid conversation and drink soda or something
pliant ruin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sunken sea is the next major update but whether that's coming "soon" uh
nobody knows lol
not even the devs
so 
humble fog
avoid conversation and drink soda or something
“They don’t know im not the real final boss”
Scal wojak in the corner
pliant ruin
DoG vs Calamitas but it's just the devourer going "haha i drew you as the soyjak and myself as the chad i win"
then the devourer gets set on fire and fucking dies
fallow steeple
sunken sea is the next major update but whether that's coming "soon" uh
so ten years later
true hatch
she's a Person
Even Cal Clone is a person, just... in a cocoon, I suppose? I don't know how to describe it
pliant ruin
Calclone rn is a mess in terms of lore because
the actual lore direction she seems to be taking and the ingame fight is
completely separate
pliant ruin
so until we get insight into what calclone's future fight is gonna b like
fallow steeple
if calamity is a person why is calamitas clone look like eyeball
real silo
3 months away
pliant ruin
i just ignore ingame calclones existence
real silo
if calamity is a person why is calamitas clone look like eyeball
unfinished mod
pliant ruin
if calamity is a person why is calamitas clone look like eyeball
because its old
and hasnt been updated
lone moss
is calamitas a human or a giant eyeball thingy like the boss
Human in this case. We're talking post Rust & Dust update Calamitas.
real silo
Scal resprite was in 1.5
fallow steeple
ok
real silo
rust and dust was 1.4.5
true hatch
Human in this case. We're talking post Rust & Dust update Calamitas.
I don't know if we can call her entirely human, but we can at least call her "More human than the giant eyeball"
swift badger
i just ignore ingame calclones existence
Ohh so thats why infernum turned it into a human sprite
pliant ruin
Azafurians are probably human i think
lone moss
I don't know if we can call her entirely human, but we can at least call her "Mo...
Correct.
pliant ruin
At most i'd say they could be a different subspecies of human or something given they have like horns but even then i feel like that can be reasonably something that happens within in a single species
Either way
true hatch
Azafurians are probably human i think
I don't know if it's made clear that they're all like that, or if it's something specific to Calamitas and her magic
fallow steeple
sinful adder
I really like Calamitas clone as a boss fight and thematically despite it really not being that good, because back around the time when it got its current sprite and soundtrack, it felt awesome
pliant ruin
I never fought it back then so i don't really have any attachment
sinful adder
It was way better than most mods at the time, but that was like 5 years ago
pliant ruin
Though now taht i say that
i also haven't fought her yet either so
i don't have a opinion on her current fight either
mech 3 moment
sinful adder
Listen to the calamity mod OST original uploads in the order the songs were released and you'll be able to get a feeling for why I like it so much
It was a very climactic moment
pliant ruin
yeah i can see whty
swift badger
Listen to the calamity mod OST original uploads in the order the songs were rele...
Original uploads?
pliant ruin
i dont listen to the calamity ost too often because its not my type of thing but
fallow steeple
Is yharon stronger then giant worm that eats gods
pliant ruin
calclone's theme does feel v climatic
pliant ruin
Is yharon stronger then giant worm that eats gods<:nothoughtsheadempty:123128824...
yes
sinful adder
On DM dokuro's YouTube channel, not in the playlist
swift badger
Is yharon stronger then giant worm that eats gods<:nothoughtsheadempty:123128824...
Yes
sinful adder
It is like exactly my kind of thing most of the time. I love Dokuro's music
swift badger
On DM dokuro's YouTube channel, not in the playlist
Ohhh
pliant ruin
there's a reason yharon is fought later (in the standard progression
true hatch
there's a reason yharon is fought later (in the standard progression
Pre-Moonlord Yharon lol
fallow steeple
I need like a example on why dragons are so strong but giant cool worm is weaker
rotund shore
Progression does line up with lore which I’m glad about
true hatch
I need like a example on why dragons are so strong but giant cool worm is weaker...
Auric Soul go brrr
swift badger
I need like a example on why dragons are so strong but giant cool worm is weaker...
Worm was too cocky
pliant ruin
the devourer can kill gods yeah but so can yharon
fallow steeple
oh ok
rotund shore
Yharon is genuinely just one of the strongest beings
pliant ruin
you even kill gods too, it's not like it was exactly the craziest feat
fallow steeple
is devourer of gods toxic like that
pliant ruin
way back in pre hardmode
you kill slime god
so like
well
ig you dont until early hardmode coz queen slime moment
but still
swift badger
Yeah devourer is the biggest trash talker
rotund shore
ig you dont until early hardmode coz queen slime moment
Early hardmode terrarian is, while very strong compared to the average terrarian, is still not ultra powerful
pliant ruin
yeah the devourer's personality is that he's a angry kid in a cod lobby
swift badger
And says one liners when he hits you with his one shot head
pliant ruin
so imagine a guy that really likes making pancakes but his pancakes suck ass
pliant ruin
not really he's kind of evil
rotund shore
If I wanted to talk to DoG about nerd shit I like like Pokémon he would say “oh yeah I created Pokémon and also am the greatest Pokémon player”
pliant ruin
like really evil
fallow steeple
EVIL dragon..
pliant ruin
dragonfolly is chill though that one is just a guy
fallow steeple
So dragonfolly and yharon are the last 2 dragons?
pliant ruin
i mean admittedly a guy that might bite your face off but its ok hes just hungry
nah
rotund shore
If I wanted to talk to DoG about nerd shit I like like Pokémon he would say “oh ...
This is entirely his energy and I hate (love) him for it
pliant ruin
yharon is the last dragon
pliant ruin
dragonfolly isn't an actual dragon + theres a entire population of it
swift badger
yharim did nothing wrong hes innocent!
true hatch
Is Yharon really really evil? Or just Evil
Yharim is really evil, Yharon just kind of seems like that one guy who doesn't want to be left out of his friend group so goes along with whatever they do (But he's still kinda fucked up)
rotund shore
so why is dragonfolly named dragon but not a dragon
I mean the name would suggest it’s folly to think it’s a dragon
pliant ruin
Is Yharon really really evil? Or just Evil
Yharim is really evil, Yharon just k...
I mean
Yharon is the one that told Yharim "go kill those guys" in the first place
fallow steeple
can we give mercy to yharon
pliant ruin
and he never backed off from it
true hatch
because its related to dragons
Well, no
It is a Dragon. Wyverns, Pigrons, and Dragonfolly are all Dragons. They're just not Auric Dragons
rotund shore
can we give mercy to yharon
I mean he’ll ressurect in a decade anyways
fallow steeple
I mean like yharon looks cool so can we give him mercy
pliant ruin
Well, no
It is a Dragon. Wyverns, Pigrons, and Dragonfolly are all Dragons. The...
Well you could put it like that yeah but its ultimately subjective
fallow steeple
I mean he’ll ressurect in a decade anyways
yay
pliant ruin
Semantics
fallow steeple
pliant ruin
Plus calling duke fishron a dragon feels weird have you seen that guy 😭
swift badger
Yharon is Yharims number one glazer fr
rotund shore
The idea of a decade from now, the terrarian, calamitas, and whoever else have chilled out, and yharon just, comes back
fallow steeple
Plus calling duke fishron a dragon feels weird have you seen that guy 😭
duke pigron
is Duke fishron actually a dragon
There's no way
true hatch
Plus calling duke fishron a dragon feels weird have you seen that guy 😭
Do you know where the "Ron" part comes from in Fishron.
It's Dragon
rotund shore
The idea of a decade from now, the terrarian, calamitas, and whoever else have c...
How the fuck would we explain what has happened in the past decade to him
fallow steeple
pliant ruin
Do you know where the "Ron" part comes from in Fishron.
It's Dragon
I'm aware but Look at Him
i am NOT calling That Thing a Dragon
rotund shore
It’s a draconic offshoot but a very silly one
swift badger
Its a fish
pliant ruin
Like yes by technicality you could call all draconic offshoots dragons but it's ultimately subjective
semantics etc etc
fallow steeple
humble fog
How the fuck would we explain what has happened in the past decade to him
It’ll be longer
fallow steeple
dragonfolly chill like that
rotund shore
Dragonfolly is much closer to dragons then duke
pliant ruin
also what the hell happened
i was literally just talking in here then i come back in limbus and everyone is fucking dead
bruh
rotund shore
i was literally just talking in here then i come back in limbus and everyone is ...
Damn 
Limbus UI scares me
pliant ruin
no its limbus company actually
fallow steeple
pliant ruin
everyones fucking dead !
fallow steeple
pliant ruin
anyways
fallow steeple
no arcanists..
rotund shore
Cheese it took me til now to realize your name probably means you hate brain of Cthulhu and not just brains overall
pliant ruin
yah thats the meaning of it
but it can also take double meaning as me hating brains because i dont have one
true hatch
Also.
Wyverns.
They're not Wyverns, they're Eastern Dragons. Maybe Wyrms if you want to get particular
It's the wrong lizard. I've even got the chart to prove it. Let me get it
pliant ruin
fallow steeple
I've only fought it once and that's it
pliant ruin
Also.
Wyverns.
They're not Wyverns, they're Eastern Dragons. Maybe Wyrms if yo...
Yeah terraria wyverns do not in fact look anything like real mythological wyverns
true hatch
Also.
Wyverns.
They're not Wyverns, they're Eastern Dragons. Maybe Wyrms if yo...
As you can see, Wyverns in game are not Wyverns. They're Lung Dragons or something similar
rotund shore
Didn’t realize this chart was such a common thing, I first saw it in another server
swift badger
Dog is a wyvern confirmed?!
fallow steeple
So all the other dragons are permanently dead but yharon can keep on living because he's the dragon of rebirth
Dang that kinda sucks
pliant ruin
this chart is a very common thing and it's kind of
fallow steeple
swift badger
Didn’t realize this chart was such a common thing, I first saw it in another ser...
Its been brought up soo many times here
rotund shore
and not for very good reasons
fallow steeple
so the dragon of light never gonna come back because a monk ate his soul
true hatch
# notorious
It's not perfect (The relations kinda suck)
But it's good enough for a "Do you see that these things aren't even close to each other"
fallow steeple
😦
pliant ruin
notably it's the bane of worldbuilders and writers because people
love
to gatekeep what "classifies" as a fantasy creature
when
erm
it's a fantasy creature
fantasy
rotund shore
What if my fantasy creature is a really big scorpion
pliant ruin
if i want to make my dragons into giant bugs or something then i Can and i Will. unfortunately alot of people use this chart to say NUH UH THAT DOSEN'T FIT THE DEFINITION NUH U
swift badger
What if my fantasy creature is a really big scorpion
Its a scorpion 🤯
pliant ruin
not saying anyone here did this by the way
i'm just expressing my general distaste for
the chart
true hatch
to gatekeep what "classifies" as a fantasy creature
There's no way I'd treat this as the be all end all of what counts as a dragon.
Honestly I wouldn't even call it a guide for worldbuilding, just a guide to show the different interpretations of dragons by real world cultures, which in no sense precludes others from existing in a fantasy setting
fallow steeple
So is there a way to bring dragon back from dead or what
rotund shore
So is there a way to bring dragon back from dead or what
Yharon can, but not anymore since the others got their souls absorbed
pliant ruin
There's no way I'd treat this as the be all end all of what counts as a dragon.
...
Yeah this is an ok way to use it
Ur fine dw
fallow steeple
Yharon can, but not anymore since the others got their souls absorbed
So like what about the gods souls
pliant ruin
I just specifically do not enjoy that chart very much due to the context it's usually used in
rotund shore
Yeah you can’t really separate em
pliant ruin
it's kind of like making a omelette
swift badger
To be fair dragons,wyverns etc are a thing in the vocabulary so using them on the wrong thing wouldnt really make sense a since dragon means a reptilian like creature that can fly
pliant ruin
you mix the yolk and the whites
you can't really
''separate'' them
they've blended together
true hatch
No more Auric Dragons.
Also most of the Auric Souls in general are gone.
There's only 3 known to remain, all the others got got
pliant ruin
To be fair dragons,wyverns etc are a thing in the vocabulary so using them on th...
dragon means a reptilian creature that can fly
fallow steeple
what if I like take out the white parts that were cooked
fallow steeple
No more Auric Dragons.
Also most of the Auric Souls in general are gone.
There...
What are the 3
pliant ruin
fantasy creature
fallow steeple
the 3 auric soulsz
rotund shore
Every other god is dead due to skill issue
fallow steeple
Yharon, Xeroc, and Silva
Xeroc is the monk right
high lynx
Was
fallow steeple
Wdym was
true hatch
Every other god is dead due to skill issue
We don't know if they're all dead.
high lynx
Now a god
rotund shore
We don't know if they're all dead.
I mean maybe some other one is lurking and nobody knows
devout grove
no new changelogs yet. wonder what the dev team is cookin up rn
swift badger
Xeroc is the monk right
Xeroc got hungry
rotund shore
Who knows
pliant ruin
new funny headcanon moment
high lynx
Nameless deity isnt cannon right?
true hatch
me when eastern dragons are actually not very reptilian
I find it funny that Kirin on the chart is basically the Monster Hunter version of Kirin, even down to the colour chosen. Not the traditional eastern Qilin, which is quite different in design lol
swift badger
<:boohoo:792848211488407572> I wanna see more dragons
Maybe in calamity 2
pliant ruin
PW hates xeroc not because of any super deep lore or anything it just hates xeroc because he's a angry pitbull and silva is his owner and xeroc and silva are divorced
fallow steeple
Who tf is silva
high lynx
<:boohoo:792848211488407572> I wanna see more dragons
Maybe in calamity prequel
fallow steeple
true hatch
Who is not dead but is also basically lobotomized
rotund shore
Who tf is silva
God of life, is essentially immortal so was just banished to the abyss
fallow steeple
Who is not dead but is also basically lobotomized
rotund shore
The planty mush is literally just her
fallow steeple
why is she banished
high lynx
She’s dead
true hatch
why is she banished
Cause Yharim couldn't kill her permanently so he just did the second best thing
high lynx
Kinda
pliant ruin
silva is not dead but also not alive but she'll be alive later
give her like
10 years maybe
maybe more
maynbe less
¯_(ツ)_/¯
high lynx
But not a boss sadly
fallow steeple
So why tf is she just planty mush
swift badger
why is she banished
Yharim didn't like gods
pliant ruin
cuz shes dead
rotund shore
10 years maybe
Yharon and Silva appear on the same day 
high lynx
She is trying to retake her place
pliant ruin
but she'll be alive later because she's immortal
sinful adder
Because she was beaten to a literal pulp
true hatch
silva is not dead but also not alive but she'll be alive later
Not if I have anything to say about it.
BRB I'm tearing out the entire abyss
high lynx
Gods are really hard to get rid of
pliant ruin
leave my girl alone
fallow steeple
so like maybe don't give yharim a chance for mercy
rotund shore
Silva is cute I like her
pliant ruin
yeah we won't
fallow steeple
I change my mind kill yharim
spring helm
silva can't die right?
sinful adder
Actually I'm pretty sure the planty mush was stuff she grew after
fallow steeple
pliant ruin
we're gonna kill yharim given he's like
true hatch
but she'll be alive later because she's immortal
She's more immortal than the other gods
pliant ruin
super fucking evil
spring helm
infinite fuel source
rotund shore
silva can't die right?
Maybe she can if you wipe out all life but uh
high lynx
The only thing that i personally know of that can “get rid” of god power or whatever is DoG
rotund shore
Maybe she can if you wipe out all life but uh
That’s impossible essentially
sinful adder
Yharim hates all the gods, no exceptions, even if they were perfectly good