lore-discussion

[thorny marlin]

wiat

[split mortar]

Like almost everything high tech is from draedon

[thorny marlin]

ehh doesn't matter

[split mortar]

Plus the cal 1800s is vastly different from ours

[thorny marlin]

fun fact: draedon awoke in 1227

[split mortar]

Since we use a religious thing irl

And cal word uses azafure

[thorny marlin]

azafure is like this really epic place in hell that got fucking destroyed

[split mortar]

Yeah

Yharon reborn as egg somewhere 1700

[thorny marlin]

yharon revives himself in 10 years

[split mortar]

Where people getting the decade thing

[real silo]

dev statements

[split mortar]

Oh

[thorny marlin]

if calamity takes place in the late 1800s

that would mean yharim would be around 100 when his crusade would've started

[real silo]

it doesn't take place in OUR late 1800s

[thorny marlin]

😭

[split mortar]

We start our journey late 1800

[real silo]

yharim started when he was in his 20s or something

[split mortar]

Yharim born in 1700

Yeah

[real silo]

which went on for 100 years

Around that

[split mortar]

The crusade is like a century long thing

[thorny marlin]

wait

[split mortar]

Give it take a decade

[thorny marlin]

draedon says yharim's crusade started in 1781

[split mortar]

Oh didn’t know we had an exact number

[real silo]

that's when yharim got thrown into lava

[split mortar]

Pretty sure it’s around 1880 when we start though idk how reliable

[real silo]

and when yharon's egg hatched

[true hatch]

That drags out the murder of the Auric Dragons a very, very long time.

And makes Yharim... relatively old for when the crusades started

[split mortar]

Yeah yharim was like a adult

[thorny marlin]

r

[real silo]

god era started 700 years ago

[split mortar]

When crusade started

[true hatch]

Like, if it's late 1880s ish when we assume the game takes place, that makes Yharim 30-40 when he gets tossed into the lava

[spring helm]

yeah the dragon genocide wasn't an organized thing, it was a bunch of people over a few centuries claiming the power of auric souls for themselves

so it took a while

[thorny marlin]

draedon says yharim's crusade started in 1781

[thorny marlin]

it's from draedon's dialogue from the codebreaker

[true hatch]

Do we have enough lore of the Auric Dragons to know if they were like... generally good or bad?

[thorny marlin]

yharim got thrown into lava and started an entire crusade in the same day 😭

[split mortar]

Wait yharon reviving every decade means for multiple tens of revives he just got crushed as an egg or something

[real silo]

nope

we know fire dragon isn't the nicest guy

and storm dragon is a chill dude

[split mortar]

Providence was “righteous fury” when killing fire dragon

[real silo]

but besides that we know nothing

[true hatch]

They did try to kill moonlord who was an existential threat to humanity

[split mortar]

But it’s providence so it’s questionable how them being righteous means anything

[true hatch]

Yeah Providence also wants to exterminate all life on the planet so uh...

I wouldn't call her the best person

[real silo]

moon lord was an existential threat to literally everyone not just the dragons

[split mortar]

Moonlord was trying to end like all life not just humans

[thorny marlin]

they would've still tried to kill moonlord

because moon lord tried to kill everything

including the dragons

[real silo]

them rushing to kill ml tells nothing about their personalities

[true hatch]

True, true

[split mortar]

Moonlord just arrived and started hating immediately

[spring helm]

professional hater

channel your inner kana

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[thorny marlin]

yharim's crusade started in 1781

what the fuck

[true hatch]

How many gods are still alive (That we know of) as of the current story?

One? Or is Providence still alive as well

[real silo]

two

[split mortar]

Three when we start

If we include a zombie

[real silo]

provi and slime god

[spring helm]

im not sure if ravager counts

also xeroc

[thorny marlin]

we kill slome god and providence

[spring helm]

and silva kinda

[real silo]

xeroc is the third yea

[true hatch]

Slime god is canonically dead, yeah

[thorny marlin]

ravager was practically already dead

[split mortar]

3-4 gods

[true hatch]

We kill Slime God perma when we kill Queen Slime

[split mortar]

Yeah

[real silo]

I thought that said when we started mb

[thorny marlin]

yharim is a evil person since

[true hatch]

Nah I mean as of beating Calamitas

[thorny marlin]

he killed good gods

[split mortar]

1

[real silo]

Then the only gods that remain are silva and xeroc

[thorny marlin]

yharim commtied genocide

so yeah

[sly bloom]

Based

[real silo]

two of the strongest gods too

[split mortar]

I wouldn’t count yharon alive during the decade to revive so I wouldn’t consider silva alive rn

[thorny marlin]

and killed a lot of good gods

[true hatch]

Who also might have killed good dragons for their power.

Which IDK how good that makes them overall. Like, the whole "Are the gods generally good, and were the gods generally good" thing is kind of a mess.

Yharim is still a bad person though

[thorny marlin]

and a bunch of evil ones

[spring helm]

kinda won by default there

[real silo]

well I didn't say they were alive

just that they remained

[split mortar]

Hallowed is good gods

[thorny marlin]

i'm gonna basically say what cheese said

[split mortar]

Crimson and corruption bad gods

[real silo]

Nah silva is just batshit insane

[thorny marlin]

ok so what if you had to kill a dragon because if not your loves ones would die

[true hatch]

The Hallow actively tries to kill you

I'm not sure how good that really is

[real silo]

perfect ascension + nature elemental + domain of life

[true hatch]

You wouldn't have to eat its soul

That's a very particular thing

[real silo]

she's really fucking strong

[thorny marlin]

and then you become a benevolent god

[split mortar]

They’re still like hundreds of minds trying to cling to life

[true hatch]

Killing a dragon doesn't make you a god by default

You have to deliberately consume their Auric Soul to ascend to godhood. It doesn't just happen when you kill one

[split mortar]

Her champion and his bf nearly killed yharhar so yeah she is

Silva is atleast a very good support

[true hatch]

And then they got jumped by mr Ego Snake

[split mortar]

Yeah

[spring helm]

to be fair, they did also jump yharim

mutual jumping

[thorny marlin]

it's not like

[sly bloom]

Counter-jumping

[split mortar]

Yharim just had the better team mate

[thorny marlin]

devourer of gods was still working with yharim

[true hatch]

DoG just saw free snacks lol

[split mortar]

Pretty sure he only cut off like a year ago or something

[thorny marlin]

did they get murked by dog before we started our journey

[split mortar]

Pretty sure it was recent

[true hatch]

Yes

[spring helm]

i dont think DoG and Yharim ever broke up

[split mortar]

Nah both alive

[spring helm]

officially at least

[true hatch]

They still got jumped before our story actually begins, even if they lived

[split mortar]

Braelor stuck in distortion and statis gave an arm and leg to signus to escape

[thorny marlin]

they never could've been in a relation ship in the first place

since yharim was datign yharon

[spring helm]

they had a work relationship

[thorny marlin]

aight

[split mortar]

Barely that tbh

[true hatch]

Are they gods?

Or are they more like Yharim/The PC

[thorny marlin]

did statis literally give an arm and a leg

[sly bloom]

Latter

[split mortar]

Pretty sure

[split mortar]

Statis and braelor humans normal

No gods or anything

One is just blessed by a god but still normal

[thorny marlin]

braelor and statis got murked by dog and both lived but like

brealor got trapped and statis got crippled

[spring helm]

from his concept art, yes

[true hatch]

Also

Xeroc is the guy who does the narration for Boss Rush, right?

Why the fuck does he talk about being friends with Yharon then, unless he's referencing like, before his ascension when he was just a monk

[real silo]

Statis may be blessed as well since he is slime god's champion

[sly bloom]

Secret™️

[thorny marlin]

I think

[split mortar]

Slime god canonically ignored them

[tall delta]

Sea guy, xeroc and silva kinda

[split mortar]

iirc

[real silo]

he was a friend of the dragons before his ascension

[thorny marlin]

they broke up

[real silo]

sea guy is dead as fuck

[spring helm]

sea guy?

[thorny marlin]

yharim visited draedon so draedon could upgrade his armor since he also got murked by braelor and statis

[spring helm]

the one boiled by calamitas?

[thorny marlin]

and then devourer of gods murked statis and braelor

[tall delta]

the one from ilmeris

[real silo]

cal turned tyrian into fish stock

[split mortar]

There’s two from illmeris

[spring helm]

so the one boiled by calamitas

[split mortar]

Tyrian and ontonilou

[real silo]

both died there

[tall delta]

yeah tyrian

[woeful patio]

Aren't both of them died

[split mortar]

Thought it was just one

[tall delta]

nope he is alive

[thorny marlin]

how did amidias survive

[real silo]

smart guy

[tall delta]

He told me in a dream

[split mortar]

Was in the part not boiled

[true hatch]

Not for long /s

[real silo]

he hid in a clam

cal couldn't beat the clam

it's that simple

[woeful patio]

Clamity

[sly bloom]

Calamity cannot surpass Clamity

[split mortar]

Supreme clamitas canon

[tall delta]

but yeah he is alive apparently??

[true hatch]

Question:

Do you think the PC is an innately good or bad character based on what they've done so far in the lore?

[real silo]

source..

Never heard of this

[untold bluff]

Clamity

[sly bloom]

Up to You™️

Someone post the image

[untold bluff]

Bring in the image

[real silo]

pins

[tall delta]

iirc its on cosmaticmango streams

[real silo]

Ah

[tall delta]

Idk which one

[real silo]

I evidently don't watch these things

[true hatch]

I meant you personal opinions lol

Not like, the general thing

[tall delta]

same!

[real silo]

That is pretty interesting

[thorny marlin]

we're getting gaslit by yharim

[real silo]

I hope we get to see him hiding in some cave

[thorny marlin]

idk

[sly bloom]

I think Yharim's pretty cool actually

[true hatch]

I like to believe that Yharim has actually like, mellowed out.

We're still probably going to kill him though, so we can go kill Xeroc

[sly bloom]

Mass deicide is based

[thorny marlin]

it's not like yharim is protecting xeroc 😭

[split mortar]

He is still racist to the lihzard a iirc

[thorny marlin]

tbf who isn't

[sly bloom]

Though I think any remaining dragons should die as well

Fuck auric souls, we're getting rid of them

[split mortar]

We don’t kill Xeroc he just gets a paper cut or something iirc

[thorny marlin]

supports yharim
thinks dragons should die
bitch make up your mind

[split mortar]

Auric souls are derived from the world soul iirc

[split mortar]

Prikki

[sly bloom]

I will not stop having doublethink

[woeful patio]

Do not let this man get rejected to any school🗣️

[split mortar]

Just say you like murdering things with big stats

[sly bloom]

Got me there

[thorny marlin]

yharim is literally trying to gaslight us in the lore items

he's tryingt o convince us that all gods are bad

[thorny marlin]

so we can go kill xeroc

[thorny marlin]

what the fuck

[spring helm]

punishment

[sly bloom]

Alas, canon has decided that Xeroc's too strong for us to kill

[woeful patio]

How many times you gonna post a cursed terraria/calamity images

[spring helm]

idk

[thorny marlin]

soon we can kill him 🙏

[spring helm]

i got this one

[sly bloom]

Putting aside my doublethink-for-the-sake-of-comedy, Yharim is more based than the gods

I can't wait

[spring helm]

explain

[split mortar]

The entire hallowed

[sly bloom]

Nah

[spring helm]

ok

[split mortar]

Erase your being

[woeful patio]

disintegrate

[sly bloom]

Peak

[untold bluff]

MORE CURSED IMAGES

MORE

[thorny marlin]

yharim is literally trying to gaslight us

[untold bluff]

HAHAHA

[thorny marlin]

ok sure

[woeful patio]

NOO-

[sly bloom]

It's not gaslighting if it's true

[thorny marlin]

https://x.com/MilanovicMihael/status/1724197686679629952

Mihael (@MilanovicMihael) on X

Signus is kinda neat

Twitter · Nov 13, 2023, 10:48 PM

[split mortar]

Weird ass onyx kinsman art right there

[humble fog]

Holy based

men

[untold bluff]

Secret 4th phase

[thorny marlin]

no

yharim is a pretty cool villain

he commited genocides

[untold bluff]

[thorny marlin]

to kill gods

[sly bloom]

I mean, who hasn't?

[thorny marlin]

what hte fuck

and then

[untold bluff]

Yharim, I remember you're reign

[thorny marlin]

Yharim, I remember you're genocides

[sly bloom]

Does the Calamity world canonically have a Geneva Convention equivalent

[thorny marlin]

no

[sly bloom]

Welp, that's just war then

[thorny marlin]

it's do whatever the fuck kills your enemy

chemical weapons are allowed

[sly bloom]

Hell yeah

[split mortar]

So yharim is basically Canada in war

[thorny marlin]

you don't have to treat prisoners of war with basic human rigihts

[thorny marlin]

oh my

[sly bloom]

Without a Geneva-equivalent, Yharim basically does standard warfare stuff

[true hatch]

Stepping stones, like Yharim himself says. Kill Yharim, get stronger, kill Xeroc

Shrimple

[thorny marlin]

it's not like we have to kill yharim 😭

[split mortar]

And hopefully kill noxus

[thorny marlin]

he still has lore too give out

[split mortar]

We can’t spare him sadly

[thorny marlin]

you don't know that

since since

you can't fight yharim

[true hatch]

He's either gaslighting us or legitimately regrets letting literally everyone in the Dungeon die, as per Polterghast's lore entry

[sly bloom]

I'm going to beat up Yharim and turn him into a town NPC like Calamitas

[sly bloom]

I like to think it's the latter, because it's more interesting

[thorny marlin]

he's gaslighting us into thinking the gods are bad

I don't think he lies about the rest of the lore items

[true hatch]

Same. I think legitimately regretful villains are a lot more interesting then "Nah, I don't regret a thing"

[split mortar]

He believes gods are bad, though he doesn’t have the best of reasons for it

[thorny marlin]

i'm going to move scal into the brimstone crag with yharim 🤑

[sly bloom]

[split mortar]

He is regretful but not for the correct things iirc

[thorny marlin]

he's regretful because he hurt the people that were close to him

[true hatch]

... A number of them are quite bad.

Providence, Ravager, Silva, literally all the gods that make up the corruption and crimson

honestly we don't even have enough lore on Xeroc to know if he's a good or bad person

[thorny marlin]

not because he regrets the genocide

monster genocide this is my undertale

[true hatch]

I mean, he does seem kinda regretful for all the non-gods he killed

[thorny marlin]

i fell from a cave from mount ebott

[split mortar]

Don’t think we know enough about silva

[pliant ruin]

Silva is bad? 😭

[sly bloom]

Worshipper genocide helps with god genocide because worship empowers gods in Calamity IIRC

[thorny marlin]

i faced a evil talking flower in the pot

[pliant ruin]

We also knwo like

[true hatch]

And working with Draedon/DoG, cause they're just... outright evil

[pliant ruin]

Nothinga bout ravager

[thorny marlin]

killing ravager is a mercy killing at this point

[pliant ruin]

Atleast not about how they were prior to turning into

that

[sly bloom]

DoG's evil, Draedon's just amoral

[pliant ruin]

The only and i really have to emphatize this

individual god we know with certainty is evil is Providence

which

ironically

[split mortar]

Current zombie Ravager should but we don’t know normal god if sacrifice

[pliant ruin]

is one of the only ones Yharim didn't manage to kill, lol

[true hatch]

"God of Necromancy" doesn't exactly paint a picture of a good person though lol

[pliant ruin]

God of Sacrifices

Not necromancy

[split mortar]

Well they absorbed the dragon of death, not much they could get

[true hatch]

That's arguably worse

[pliant ruin]

❌

"Sacrifice" has Alot of Meanings depending on the context and it does not just mean Killing People

[true hatch]

Since that takes the "Neutral" dragon of death, and turns it into a solely negative thing (when correlated with death)

[thorny marlin]

yharim didn't manage to kill the gods we fought because they ran away

[pliant ruin]

❌

[hot valve]

Yeah the dragon of death could not necessarily be evil

Death gives meaning to life

[split mortar]

Gods are always adjacent to the dragon they absorbed

[split mortar]

Not really

[pliant ruin]

Also Yharim very much dosen't seem to regret any of the deaths he caused

He regrets a few things yes but the entire 300000 Billion that were Killed isn't part of it

[thorny marlin]

i'm pretty sure yharim is only regretful because all the people close to him that help him left

[true hatch]

Polterghast lore.

He does seem regretful of just leaving everyone in the Dungeon to rot and starve

[hot valve]

Wait, what’s wrong with Silva…?

[sly bloom]

Elemental

[true hatch]

Like, he outright says "Yeah I could have treated them well, but I didn't because I was just completely emotionally ruined at that point and didn't care"

[pliant ruin]

I believe it's more so that he quote on quote "Regrets" losing the alliance of the dragon cultists which would be right up his alley when it comes to regretting things but let me check

Yep

it's exactly that

[thorny marlin]

they're prisoners of wars fuck them

[pliant ruin]

Yharim notably seems to only "regret" things when said things cause him to lose allies

And in this case it's also that because it seems like losing the dragon cult's comradery is what causes him to go :( here

[split mortar]

Plus polter is said to be “the crux of my failur” so I think he may also be referring to dog making him worse

So he may also be shifting blame

[pliant ruin]

Prisoners of war of yharim

so honestly probably mostly innocent people lol

[thorny marlin]

dog did not make yharim worse

yharim said that dog was recruited late in hte war

[sly bloom]

Worshipping the gods is sin enough

[split mortar]

And polter is from late in the war

Plus I said shifting blame

[pliant ruin]

yharim speech bubble

[thorny marlin]

so the things dog must've told him must've been fuckig crazy to mention it directly

yharim already commited mass genocide

[pliant ruin]

But now that i think about it it is very very interesting how

Yharim

known Manipulator Gaslighter Girlbosser etc

[thorny marlin]

i'm not sure what could be worse then that

[hot valve]

The fact that we have limited time means everything we do and choose in our lives are more impactful as a result
Life is a story with a beginning, death just gives it an end

That’s why a god of death or dragon of death in any type of media doesn’t have to inherently be evil, since death itself isn’t inherently evil

God of sacrifices sounds much less pleasant though lmao

[pliant ruin]

Almost exclusively

Seems to regret things

when said things make him lose powerful allies

[true hatch]

Yeah, but he also could have repaired that relationship if he had killed Polterghast (Which he would have likely been able to do at that point in time) he just didn't. It seems less like regret at losing allies directly, and more regret at becoming so bad that he couldn't even pretend to be the hero he wanted to be

[thorny marlin]

genocide is pretty much the worse thing you can do in war

[pliant ruin]

I personally disagree

[thorny marlin]

it's not like dog told him to commit genocide since yharim already did that

[split mortar]

You have that view I don’t, I don’t view being unable to do things as a reason to do them now I do them cause I was to not cause I won’t be able to so I just view death as pure negative

[thorny marlin]

he doesn't regret kicking out draedon

he loves bees more then losing powerful allies

confrimed

[hot valve]

I suppose those are just different mindsets then, fair enough

[sly bloom]

Yharim has a sense of morality, slightly warped it may be

[thorny marlin]

fym "slightly" warped

genocide is only "slightly" messed up

[sly bloom]

Standard war practice without a Geneva Convention

[split mortar]

Yharim says dog was when his negligence was born so I think this hints at yharim blaming dog for getting him to be so apathetic towards those in the dungeon and the dragon cult

Maybe dog did get him to or maybe he didn’t and it was just a coincidence but I def think he is trying to shift blame from himself to dog for polterghast and is acting all sad cause he lost dragon cult

[thorny marlin]

don't you have to go out of your way to commit a genocide

[true hatch]

I mean, the fact that Yharim can even pretend to reflect on his past failures means he can at least acknowledge them.

And no matter what you think of him, he was trying to be a hero at the start of the crusades. He definitely failed, but he legitimately was trying to fight for something

[sly bloom]

It's also a tactical move since worship strengthens gods I think

[pliant ruin]

I think Yharim's moral compass is so fucked beyond belief after 80+ years of killing that he genuinely cannot recognize any of his mistakes unless said mistakes directly result in him losing things that would benefit him, such as his allies
He does seem to genuinely regret things, but he also seems completely and utterly ignorant of both how bad his actions are and the fact his most terrible actions (The entire genocide) are ones he dosen't recognize as evil
In every situation Yharim regrets something, it correlates to him losing his allies, so i think while there is some genuine regret there, i also think it's partially a manipulation tactic to make himself seem better, one that might even come naturally to him without him realizing

[pliant ruin]

❌

Yharim was never a hero

He was trying to be yes

[hot valve]

Yharim believes his cause is righteous
He is so sure that every god must die that to him it really doesn’t matter which ones are benevolent or not, to him they’re all evil

[true hatch]

I mean, given DoG consumes godly essence (Assumedly for power), it's entirely possible that DoG was constantly goading him into killing more and more gods to feed himself

[pliant ruin]

But both then and now

He thinks himself a hero

But right from the beggining he wasn't

[thorny marlin]

yharim was already doing that

[pliant ruin]

Trying to be a hero? Absolute, yes, and in his eyes he still is

[true hatch]

I didn't say that he was lol

[pliant ruin]

Actually a hero? No, his motivation was literally to kill every single god from the start

[thorny marlin]

yharim calls himself a hero in the first lore item you get

[pliant ruin]

So it really dosen't matter if he was trying to be a hero if a hero in his eyes is equivalent to committing genocide

[sly bloom]

"Do not fall as I have."

"How long has it been since I was a hero worthy of their name?"

[pliant ruin]

Yes, he still thinks himself a hero, just a fallen one

One that failed his heroic mission

He dosen't seem himself as a evil or bad person

He sees himself as a failed hero

Which is a v important distinction to make

[split mortar]

When he is not much better then evil gods

[hot valve]

From the beginning he started with deplorable gods, killing those so vile that it was unquestioned as ‘the right thing to do’
It garnered support as a result- but it was a veil for his actual goal, which is to slaughter every god, without any exception

[pliant ruin]

^

Yharim didn't start with the evil gods because they were evil and then he got addicted to killing gods so he killed the good ones or something

He wanted to kill all of them from the start, but obviously, it's easier to get support from others when your actions are unquestionably good and their first impression of what gods are like is that of evil, tyrannic dictators

[split mortar]

Yeah the entire hallowed is proof he killed lots of good aswell

[thorny marlin]

corruption and crimson are from the evil gods so that's why you started with one of them first and then latter you unlock the hallow which are from the good gods

when you kill the wall of flesh which yharim said was to store god essence

[true hatch]

But it's also worth noting that we don't know how truly good the actually 'good' Gods were, given that ascending to Godhood requires killing an Auric Dragon and consuming its soul.

Given we don't know how good the Auric Dragons were, we don't know if even the 'Good' gods were motivated by selfishness through killing already good dragons. But it could also be the other way around, as well

[pliant ruin]

❌

[spring helm]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-popcorn-watching-amused-michael-jackson-gif-15743549

[pliant ruin]

First of all

There is no guaranteed they were ''motivated by selfishness"

They might've been doing it for the greater good

Secondly

[hot valve]

According to the devs themselves he killed a decent chunk of actual vile gods, a huge amount of morally grey gods, and a few truly benevolent gods

[pliant ruin]

Auric dragons weren't all good

[split mortar]

They were just like any other sapient being

[thorny marlin]

the order of the evil biomes on your world is representive of yharim's killings

[split mortar]

Yeah I think the hallowed is neutral and good not just good

[pliant ruin]

Whilst i don't blame you for not knowing some things abt the narrative given the

unfinished state of the mod

[thorny marlin]

he killed the evil gods and didn't contain them so that's why you start with the corruption or crimson

[true hatch]

"But it could also be the other way around"

I literally acknowledged that the Auric Dragons aren't necessarily paragons of morality, and we don't actually know enough about them to make a decision on whether their deaths by the gods was generally a good or bad thing

[sly bloom]

It would explain why the unicorns still actively try to skewer you

[split mortar]

True

[thorny marlin]

then when he started killing the good gods he started containing their essences which is why the hallow comes after you kill wall of flesh

[true hatch]

Everything there aside from like... the butterflies actively try to kill you

[pliant ruin]

You did yes

[true hatch]

He was also still killing evil gods in this interpretation, since killing the Wall of Flesh also releases a large amount of World Evil

[pliant ruin]

But also you wrote like a paragraph based on the notion that the Dragons were Theoretically Good

Which

Respectfully

[true hatch]

Implies bias?

[pliant ruin]

Yep

I was about to say

[hot valve]

One thing I remember noted is that nearly everything about the dragons said in game is from Yharim’s extremely biased mindset lmao

[sly bloom]

Wall of Flesh + starting evil implies there were more evil gods than good ones

[thorny marlin]

I said "started killing the good gods" didn't say he didn't stop killing the evil gods

[pliant ruin]

I don't mean to be Rude and i understand the calamity lore is unfinished rn so it's hard to know the full context of things but the way you've been saying stuff has kind of been giving Yharim Bias energy

[thorny marlin]

The lore items should NOT be taking at face value

they're from the main villain of the mod

[pliant ruin]

But at the very least you weren't anywhere near as dense as the usual Yharim Apologists so i tempered myself a bit

[split mortar]

Yeah they shouldn’t, they’re from one of the most biased sources of info in the mod

[hot valve]

Yharim himself also gets a lot of his info on the dragons from the equally biased dragon Yharon

[split mortar]

Yeah

Yharon was prob among the most biased towards the dragons since they revived like every dragon hood or not

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is a banger character that is alot more complex than people think he is, and people think he's complex because he's a tragic morally gray villain or something when he really isn't

[true hatch]

Yeah, I know. I am biased (I love dragons, Dragonfolly my beloved)

I don't really care for Yharim himself, it's more the Auric Dragons and I'm kinda hoping that they were good because dragons are cool. If they turn out to be like, generally evil? Oh well, them's the breaks

Kinda by proxy that makes Yharim justified in his actions, but I don't really care if Yharim is justified or not

Well, the god killing

[thorny marlin]

Yharim is epic

[pliant ruin]

Some dragons were good

[true hatch]

A lot of what he did is still outright vile and unjustifiable

[pliant ruin]

Some were evil though

[thorny marlin]

the lore items are epic

[pliant ruin]

The entire calamity lore narrative has a core message

(or one of them anyways

that your identity dosen't make you good or bad

it's who you make of yourself as a person that does

so by proxy

dragons weren't inherently good or evil, neither were gods

[thorny marlin]

^

[pliant ruin]

by labelling one of those sides as inherently good and the other as inherently evil, yharim himself became, well, evil

[thorny marlin]

wait

[thorny marlin]

why doesn't the hallow have a lore item

[real silo]

stinky hallow

[woeful patio]

Because Yharim doesn't want to talk about him killing a good gods

[real silo]

yharim doesn't want to admit that the gods that became the hallow were good

[split mortar]

Supreme propaganda

[true hatch]

I mean, that could be the reason

They also just could have forgor

[thorny marlin]

it's either out of remorse or him trying to gaslight you

[hot valve]

I think it’s very interesting that according to Yharim, Xeroc stole the soul of the weakened dragon of Light

While the events are not disclosed and it’s unclear if we’ll ever know, it’s honestly pretty likely the dragon willingly just told Xeroc to take the soul

But regardless of motive, this resulted in an outbreak of dragons slaughtered and souls absorbed

[real silo]

it's definitely gaslighting

[warm gull]

the hallow is explained in the wof lore

[thorny marlin]

❌

[true hatch]

Also I don't like how cocky Xeroc is in the Boss Rush lore.

[thorny marlin]

i'm talking about dedicated lore item

[sly bloom]

Murdering Xeroc is okay

[thorny marlin]

the corruption crimson and the astral infection all have lore items

[true hatch]

Bro needs to be taken down a notch, starting dragon genocide or not

[split mortar]

When you are the god if the sun I imagine it’s deserved

[warm gull]

don't giant x emoji me with that roblox gun pfp

[split mortar]

Like xerox is nigh untouchable

[warm gull]

yharim says the wof was used to seal away essence of gods

[sly bloom]

Just hit him with a few nukes

[woeful patio]

Holy shit it's the Flesh Prison from the hit game Ultrakilll

[thorny marlin]

yeah

but

[warm gull]

but yeah he doesn't explain that the gods in it were good

[thorny marlin]

he doesn't directly mention the hallow in the lore item

[split mortar]

Wouldn’t work, scal is like city + herself and exos and plague have nukes themselves

[sly bloom]

Hang on, lemme find it

[thorny marlin]

not every source of infomation is from yharim 😭

what the fuck

[split mortar]

Bestiary is omniscient truth

[warm gull]

... we're talking about the wof lore

[true hatch]

nightfight

I just realised, given how fucking painful day EoL is, Xeroc is implied to be vastly stronger than her due to possessing the exact same "Primordial Light"

[thorny marlin]

the bestiary still has the vanilla lore items we're cooked

[sly bloom]

^

[warm gull]

he doesn't explain that the gods in the hallow were good in the wof lore

[thorny marlin]

yeah

[split mortar]

Eol has a small amount of primordial light

[thorny marlin]

but he doesn't mention the hallow directly either

[sly bloom]

Gauss nuke isn't a true nuke

[split mortar]

Xeroc would have a lot more

[thorny marlin]

nor does it have a lore item

[true hatch]

Yes, that's... what I just said

[warm gull]

but he does mention where the released essence came from, which explains why the hallow exists

[thorny marlin]

I know

he just says the wall of flesh was to store essence of gods

[warm gull]

then why did you giant x me

[thorny marlin]

which is why your main world evil also spreads when you beat wof

[thorny marlin]

because i'm talking about how the hallow doesn't have a direct lore item

by your logic the corruption and crimson wouldn't have lore items since they would be explained in wof lore

[warm gull]

right and I said that the hallow is explained in the wof lore

[true hatch]

Actually, is Demonshade Armour canon to the mod? Since it's a donor item?

[warm gull]

I didn't say it had a lore item

[hot valve]

No

[warm gull]

so we aren't disagreeing

[hot valve]

Demonshade is not canon

[thorny marlin]

the hallow is NOT explained in the wall of flesh lore item

[split mortar]

Demonshade is being made as the scal armour so yes

[hot valve]

Whenever yharim is added demonshade will be post yharim won’t it?

[split mortar]

Nuh uh

[thorny marlin]

it's not like yharim starts directly talking about the hallow in the wall of flesh lore item

[warm gull]

but it is. it's god essence that yharim sealed away in the wall of flesh

[hot valve]

Unless that’s being changed

[split mortar]

No it will be the post scal alt to auric

[thorny marlin]

i'm killing myself what the fuck

[warm gull]

this is semantics at this point

[thorny marlin]

the hollow is not explained my yharim

since it doesn't have a lore item

[split mortar]

And exo armour will be equal to demonshade

[thorny marlin]

the hallow being sealed in the wall of flesh doesn't count

[warm gull]

guh

[thorny marlin]

since the wall of flesh also releases your world evil

[true hatch]

How would Yharim not getting his hands on it be explained?

Since it's implied that he uses modified Auric Tesla armour because it (was) the strongest there is

[thorny marlin]

when you kill it

[split mortar]

His armour is better then ours

His auric has rejection and exo tech

[true hatch]

Yes, but if something was stronger than Auric to use as a base, why use Auric

[hot valve]

Really..? strange

[split mortar]

Auric rejection is busted strong that’s why

[true hatch]

Rejection?

[hot valve]

Thought anything made of shadowspec would be post game

[thorny marlin]

yharim doesn't even fucking say hallow in this lore item

he just says the god's essences were stored in it

[split mortar]

Yeah, when you touch the auric ore and get sent Mach 3 flying away

His armour can do that aswell

[thorny marlin]

that doesn't count has him direcly talking about the hallow

[pliant ruin]

Oops

My pc mightve just died

[true hatch]

If they implement that in his fight Melee users will be suffering lol

Fuck imagine if they gave him Biome Mimic reflection as well

[pliant ruin]

Like

Permanently

[true hatch]

Damn that's not good at all lol

[pliant ruin]

Tbh about time

[warm gull]

I mean what else would he be referring to...

[split mortar]

He is a melee attacker everyone gets flung

[warm gull]

he's talking about it

[pliant ruin]

My guy was 10 years old he's done his job

[thorny marlin]

@pliant ruin someone is trying to tell me that the hallow doesn't have a lore item because it's explained in the wall of flesh lore item

[thorny marlin]

dude what

he's talking about god essence's

that just the hollow

[warm gull]

...I'm not trying to explain why it doesn't have a lore item wtf

I'm just saying that it is talked about in the wof lore

[frozen zodiac]

True Melee users* because the stupid ass "melee" mains will still in 5-10 years be pelting bosses with projectiles instead of using the actual definition of close quarters combat

[true hatch]

Yeah but unlike every other class (except Summoner, but they don't HAVE to) they actually need to get up close to do damage with a large number of their weapons

[warm gull]

it's literally

semantics

[thorny marlin]

the wall of flesh realeases your world evil wihen you kill it do you not understand that he wasn't directly fucking talking about the hallow

[pliant ruin]

Hallow lore item exists kill tgw aquatic scourge foe it

[split mortar]

Then why are you answering their question on why

[warm gull]

what

[thorny marlin]

the hallow doesn't have a lore item

[pliant ruin]

It does

Kill aquatic scourge

He drops it

[thorny marlin]

bruh

[split mortar]

True, but since yharim will be close anyways it could be viewed melee and true melee would like yharim aswell

[true hatch]

Me swapping from Ranger to Melee because Melee has the same amount of range while possessing significantly more defence:

[thorny marlin]

he's not only talking about the hollow he's saying he stored god's essences in it

[real silo]

huh?

[thorny marlin]

if it was directly talking about the hallow ir would be the hallow lore item instead of the wall of flesh lore item

[split mortar]

I think cheese is trolling

[warm gull]

...god essences that coalesce into the hallow

[thorny marlin]

bruh

[warm gull]

as well as the evil

[split mortar]

And corruption and crimson

[warm gull]

it's literally

fucking

semantics

[frozen zodiac]

and thats NOT the way it should be melee's defense should be so it can resist the attacks from getting close to enemies not having free defense while they completely disregard the swing hitbox of swords in favor of the projectiles they shoot

[warm gull]

you are arguing with me over nothing

[thorny marlin]

do you see the word hallow anywhere in this lore item

the hallow is not fucking explained here

[split mortar]

Flawless is asking why a lore item doesn’t go as deep as the crimson and corruption lore items exist

[warm gull]

do you possess the ability to use context clues

[thorny marlin]

the hallow

[split mortar]

You going on about wof cause it has a small connection to hallow is nigh irrelevant

[thorny marlin]

^

[true hatch]

I mean, not everyone wants to be forced to use a knockback prevention item to actually do DPS

[warm gull]

I'm juat saying that the hallow's origin is explained by yharim

[real silo]

knockback prevention came free with your ram

[stray falcon]

Are the Desert and Aquatic Scourges worms or serpents?

[warm gull]

I'm not saying he goes into depth about it specifically

[real silo]

They're scourges

[sly bloom]

Wall of Flesh notes that Hallow and the Evil are god essence stored in the meat wall with Context Clues™️. There's no distinct Hallow lore item, even though there's ones for the evils. The specifics of the Hallow are thus kept vague (Deliberately or not), contrasting the Evils.

Be happy my children

This argument is pointless

[thorny marlin]

the hallow's orgin is from the dead essences of gods

[warm gull]

this is literally what I'm saying😭

[thorny marlin]

the courpption and crimson were not stored in soemthing

so that's why they spread

[spring helm]

of course there's no hallow lore item, that would mean Yharim admits there were good gods

[split mortar]

They were for the most part

[thorny marlin]

not was not your argurement 😭

[sly bloom]

It quite literally was though.

[warm gull]

I didn't have an argument what are you talking about

[calm patio]

it was?

and yea

they didnt

[true hatch]

I have to wonder if the devs planned this from the start, or if they just forgor and went "uh, yeah, totally"

[thorny marlin]

i'm talking about how they spread because they weren't stored

yharim admits he ddin't contain the essences so that's why the corruption and crimson spread

[true hatch]

The Hallow also spreading once it's released:

[real silo]

a good chunk of it was stored inside waffle but there's still some leftovers

[thorny marlin]

the hallow was stored inside the wall of flesh instead of not being contained

[real silo]

That's why both hallow and evils do that stupid V thing that I hate

[thorny marlin]

so that's why it only starts spreading when you kill wof

[true hatch]

The Corruption and Crimson formed, to begin with, because Yharim just left the Gods corpses to rot after he killed them, which festered until forming the Evils

By the time he got around to killing Good gods, he'd already started storing their essence in the Wall of Flesh or feeding it to DoG

[spring helm]

The players: wow that foreshadowing of characterization was so good. The devs were cooking with this one.
The devs:

[warm gull]

this is literally the only claim I made and it wasn't even a reply to anyone

[thorny marlin]

because the hallow isn't explained in the wof lore

he doesn't directly mention it

[warm gull]

guh

[spring helm]

guh

[true hatch]

Holy shit we get it it's a fucking circle at this point

Just yap

[split mortar]

It just says godly essence, flawless I’m pretty sure was wanting a more in detailed one like crimson or corruption

[sly bloom]

At the most base level, WoF explains what the Evil and the Hallow are. That's it.

[spring helm]

whap whap whap this convo is done we're not going anywhere pick something else

[warm gull]

dear godness

[sly bloom]

Yeah

[thorny marlin]

the wof was made to store essnces

[thorny marlin]

bruh

[sly bloom]

The giant clam is pretty neat

[true hatch]

"What the fuck is an Evasion Scarf"

[thorny marlin]

this convo is not going to be resloved bro 😭

you're still calling me dumb

[magic epoch]

goddess?

[real silo]

stupid scarf

[spring helm]

I want a family sitcom with calamitas and her necromanced brothers

[thorny marlin]

no

[real silo]

sepulcher is the pet dog

[warm gull]

true!

[thorny marlin]

isn't this fucking lore discussion

[sly bloom]

When Yharim shows up, how does the sitcom audience react?

[true hatch]

Shocked gasps

[frozen zodiac]

first degree murder live on camera

[sly bloom]

Real

[warm gull]

flawless runner have you considered chilling out

[spring helm]

2 minutes of booing

[thorny marlin]

bruh

[thorny marlin]

canon answer

[frozen zodiac]

i didnt know infernum has a new death animation for yharon so i didnt expect for him to just slowly vanish in base cal

[spring helm]

Permafrost makes an appearance and it’s like those celebrity cameos

[frozen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/noooooo-depression-meme-spiderman-gif-19814282

[true hatch]

Honestly, it's more likely to be 2nd degree, because despite wanting to murder him, it wasn't pre-planned.

which makes it second degree murder, not first degree

[spring helm]

5 minutes of cheering while the characters just awkwardly stand there

[sly bloom]

If her siblings are still alive, then she wouldn't hate Yharim yet

[spring helm]

It’s just on sight with Yharim

[warm gull]

I just imagine sitcom yharim as an asshole manager

[spring helm]

They’re necromanced, they already died before

[true hatch]

Either an asshole, or like... hyper depressed 24/7

[sly bloom]

Necromanced siblings aren't really sentient, so if they're in a sitcom they'd be more like weird dogs

[thorny marlin]

yharim x scal

[warm gull]

flames

burn

[spring helm]

Now that I think about it, why are Catastrophe and Cataclysm so big and Calamitas is shorty

[sly bloom]

Necromancy™️

[spring helm]

The runt of the family

[thorny marlin]

because calamitias is summoning her biggest simps

[spring helm]

[sly bloom]

I should write this out of spite

[warm gull]

my brother in christ they are quite literally her siblings

[true hatch]

You couldn't have picked anything worse

[thorny marlin]

no it'll be like an abusive relationship

[spring helm]

Joker and Harlequin type beat

[frozen zodiac]

i will glaaaaaadly tear your limbs apart
so you cant say that shiiiit aaaaaaagain

[thorny marlin]

didn't they vow to protect her 😭

[calm patio]

get out

[spring helm]

Why did that autocorrect to Jose

[warm gull]

I mean yeah would you not protect your siblings

[thorny marlin]

fuck no

anyway

[warm gull]

your family even

[thorny marlin]

next question

[warm gull]

just in general

[true hatch]

Yeah because she's a walking nuclear bomb and a danger to herself and everyone else around her

[real silo]

that vow was before she got her powers

[thorny marlin]

nah I ment like a abusive relationship

since scal hates

[warm gull]

no she wasn't before they died

[thorny marlin]

yharim

[real silo]

back then she was just a little girl

[spring helm]

Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb except they’re both Calamitas

[frozen zodiac]

EPIC RAP BATTLE
HYDROGEN WITCH
VS
COUGHING ILMERIS
BEGIN

[true hatch]

Oh in that case it makes even more sense because she wasn't a walking nuclear bomb

[magic epoch]

hik. hik hik. hi

[real silo]

yeah

[spring helm]

I ain’t got no lines for Ilmeris but I know Calamitas will start with straight fire

[warm gull]

calamitas was just a very small child and both of her brothers were either mercenaries or brawlers and they had a good relationship so it makes sense that they vowed to protect her

[thorny marlin]

yharim x yharon

[sly bloom]

Protecting your family is a pretty standard thing

[frozen zodiac]

i want to headcanon calamitas had a plush of some sort when she was very young and after the fight with brimmy finding it charred to pieces its one of the first things that makes her realize what she turned into

[sly bloom]

Most likely to be canon of any Yharim ship tbh

[warm gull]

what a calamity

[true hatch]

How the fuck does the Terrarian survive chugging 20 different alchemical concotions at once, yet starts dying the moment they drink more than 3 shots

[real silo]

mfing endeavour

or hawks

I forgor

[warm gull]

the terrarian is a lightweight

[spring helm]

Cirrus’ alcohol hits different

Got that special brand

[thorny marlin]

alcohol poisoning is no joke

[true hatch]

"What the fuck do you mean it's 99.5% pure ethanol"

[sly bloom]

The potions aren't toxic, it's like if you drank 20 flavors of KoolAid

[frozen zodiac]

you may be rivaling the gods but losing your liver is what's gonna put you 10 feet under

[thorny marlin]

yharim x scal (but like in an abusive relationship)

[spring helm]

That’s toxic

[true hatch]

You try drinking 20 bottles of KoolAid without vomiting everywhere

[warm gull]

hidden talent keep it hidden

this shit water💧💧

[spring helm]

Yharim x SCal but there’s no relationship and Yharim’s an asshole middle manager while Calamitas is an intern

[warm gull]

I need my eyes burned and my brain cleansed

[true hatch]

Not wanting Cal to be happy

[warm gull]

mfw calamitas does not the relationships

[thorny marlin]

this already exists as a fanfiction somewhere

[sly bloom]

Calamitas joined the company because she believed in its cause but she's become jaded after hearing Yharim preach to the board room for the 521st time

[true hatch]

Also why do people default to SCal, when she's just... Calamitas.

Like, Supreme Witch is a title, her name is just Calamitas

[spring helm]

There is Calamitas Clone

[thorny marlin]

you're writing the fanfiction

go

[sly bloom]

Because she was Supreme Calamitas for the longest time, contrasting CalClone which was just Calamitas

[thorny marlin]

out and into fanfiction.com

[warm gull]

because the clone used to be called calamitas and the endgame boss used to be called supreme calamitas

[sly bloom]

I've written and posted two Calamity fics on Ao3

[warm gull]

it's just vestigial language

[spring helm]

They used to be the same person?

That explains her outdated lines kinda

[thorny marlin]

what is ao3 and can you send me the link to the fanfictions

[spring helm]

Archive of our own

[frozen zodiac]

why did her shirt get hit by the teardrop cleaver

[true hatch]

I fell away from this mod for the longest time.

Back when I first learnt about it Dragonfolly was still called Bumblefuck.

Haven't gotten to play it until recently lol

[warm gull]

no it's just that the endgame version literally used to be called "supreme calamitas"

[spring helm]

Crying

[sly bloom]

Cooler fic website

[warm gull]

and the clone was just called "calamitas"

[sly bloom]

Am I allowed to send links here, or should I just DM them

[woeful patio]

Only allowed links

[thorny marlin]

dragonfolly was called bumblebirb then they changed the fight to be more serious so they renamed it to dragonfolly

[thorny marlin]

dm them

[spring helm]

I’ve sent my fanfic links here before and I’m not dead
Then again they were google docs

[true hatch]

Pretty sure it was called Bumblefuck before that, and it's still called that in the code (I think)

[warm gull]

yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me

[true hatch]

Oh, nope. It was always Bumblebirb, Bumblefuck was just in the code

It was somewhere around 2019 that I learnt about Calamity though

[magic epoch]

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 10 billions miles of deoxyribonucleic acid that fill my entire body. If the word 'hate' was encoded on each and every planck length of those billions of miles, it would not equal one-quadrillionth of the hate I feel towards you at this micro-instant. All for you. Hate. Hate.

[true hatch]

Also I never got to play in time to enjoy Yharim's super stupid steroids

[sly bloom]

Every time someone mentions hating this ship, I inch closer to writing it

[magic epoch]

Why.

[spring helm]

Just do it already

[magic epoch]

Why would you do this.

[spring helm]

I will not be threatened, pull the trigger

[magic epoch]

During the time yharim and scal were together scal was still a child

i think

[sly bloom]

Because in the words of a great penguin...

[calm patio]

no

[thorny marlin]

I meant like in a abusive relationship

[magic epoch]

You don't understand.

[warm gull]

lore discussion has fallen. billions must be sinless ash.

[warm gull]

this shit is even worse

[magic epoch]

That's not just causing suffering to others, it's causing suffering in yourself too.

[sly bloom]

Worth

[magic epoch]

-Providence, the Profaned Goddess

[sly bloom]

Do not underestimate my dedication to the bit

[thorny marlin]

I have to steel myself

to read the fanfic

wihs me luck

[true hatch]

Providence, Bitchass Nihilist

[warm gull]

true

what a calamity

[sly bloom]

"Indeed, looking back on it... Terraria has been through many Calamities."

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-credits-video-game-gif-14466133

[real silo]

what if providence doesn't actually care about sin and stuff and it's just one of her guardians telling her what to say to other people

[warm gull]

brother eugh

why

like

why

[thorny marlin]

canon ending

[true hatch]

It seems pretty heavily implied that she just wants to kill everything

[glad reef]

why is it all hideo

[true hatch]

Cause it's a Metal Gear

[glad reef]

makes sense

[warm gull]

this... this truly was a Metal Gear Solid V....

[real silo]

Yeah

What if she doesn't have any "noble" goals but her pr team told her to come up with something

[true hatch]

I mean, she doesn't have a noble goal. She pretty much says "I'm going to make everything equal by making everything dead"

And people were just like "Fuck yeah"

[real silo]

that's why I put it in " "

[livid bobcat]

Calamity dnd FINALLY started!

Literal month in the making

[real silo]

dungeons and draedons

[scenic olive]

Draedon and Dragons

[jolly adder]

the player should be able to consume yharon's auric soul, i think

[pliant ruin]

I am slowly realizing how similar providence is to the main villain fo my own main writing project

in many ways

[sinful adder]

Only 3 people alive know the ritual required to do this and none of them will ever tell you

[sudden ruin]

maybe we will gain knowledge after killing yharim

[jolly adder]

wouldnt it be easier to just ask draedon

i bet he knows

[sinful adder]

Not even Draedon knows it

[sinful adder]

Yharim especially will never tell you it, and it's not like he wrote it down

[deft vessel]

Just ask Xeroc

[sudden ruin]

i think we could earn xeroc’s respect

[deft vessel]

I think we already did

[sudden ruin]

maybe xeroc will let us in on a secret

or hint at how he ascended

[hoary berry]

i am so glad i slept through that conversation about shipping

peculiar conversation

[mighty zenith]

[calm patio]

I dont think xeroc would tell you either

[deft vessel]

Why not

[true hatch]

Don't we already know this?

Like, I don't know if I'd call it common knowledge but I'm pretty sure his ascension was "Consumed an Auric Soul" like all the other gods. We don't know exactly how that's done (How do you eat a soul), but clearly it's not too hard to figure out given all the people who did it

[calm patio]

iirc yharon is the only auric dragon thats alive

[deft vessel]

But they were saving yharon to be consumed by yharim

[calm patio]

yharim is friends with yharon

• thats why hes on the whole god killing crusade

[deft vessel]

I dont think Xeroc would mind changing the god champion

[calm patio]

im not talking about that

yharim never intended to consume yharons soul

and refused to

[deft vessel]

But the Terraria could

[calm patio]

they wont tell you regardless

[deft vessel]

But what is the reasonig for this

[calm patio]

[deft vessel]

Nu uh

[sinful adder]

It's a special ritual made by Xeroc, and it was a closely guarded secret from what we've heard from devs.

[hoary berry]

how big of a ship could yharim carry above his head for ~1 mile?

[real silo]

one thanatos sized ship

[hoary berry]

i have an idea for a little scene in my head but don't want it to be unreasonable

[mighty zenith]

a freighter

[real silo]

yharim deadlifts the entire dragon's aerie

he's the only reason it hasn't crashed into some ocean

[scenic olive]

yharsisyphus

[split mortar]

I’d say a average cargo ship without any extra weight

[hoary berry]

so 165,000 tons according to the first result on google

is that reasonable for yharim back when he was way younger in the earlier days of the crusade?

ig we don't really know how strong he was back then

[split mortar]

Yeah we don’t

[abstract gyro]

Its a ritual, so it requires specific actions, and you know how weird rituals can get

And you can be sure Yharim tried to destroy all the possible sources telling you how to absorb an auroc soul

and the gods themselves weren't much cooperative as you could notice... and I'm.not sure the terrarian even tried talking to them.

[real silo]

there's like 4 gods left
2 of them you kill
one of them is a vegetable
the last one doesn't seem to want to share

[abstract gyro]

who

[untold oracle]

Wait what gods?

Slime god, providence, ravager (kinda)

Silva? Isn’t she dead?

[random mulch]

not really

[untold oracle]

Why would the gods tell you anyway? They don’t want more competition

[real silo]

provi, slime god
silva
xeroc

ravager is fucking dead he can't tell you anything

[random mulch]

he's still "alive" but he's not even really the god of sacrifices anymore

[real silo]

Yeah

[cloud ibex]

She’s as dead as she could be

That is, not very

[random mulch]

silva is alive but basically braindead

[woeful patio]

She is a blob of plant now

[random mulch]

no

she's just a body

[cloud ibex]

Environmental storytelling pulsating Silva abyss corpse……………

[random mulch]

a silva "corpse" might be added eventually

[magic epoch]

She's actually on jared you just can't see her because it's on the other side of the sprite. He's just protecting her

[warm gull]

johnathan barksy

[split mortar]

There’s also xeroc

[warm gull]

we have providence

where's convidence

[split mortar]

Yharim killed then

[untold oracle]

Forgor

[fading sun]

Imo like a uh

Fuck

[hoary berry]

i didn't know a fuck was a unit of measurement

[fading sun]

Like this ship maybe

Ik I'm low balling but

[fading sun]

Not for a mile for sure

He could probably like lift it partially but like

That's too much

[frozen zodiac]

dont worry he just needs the arm muscle minigame from bowser's inside story

[fading sun]

Whar

[mighty zenith]

play bowser's inside story

[frozen zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DfJWUKeY-U

[mighty zenith]

its like one of the best mario games ever

genuinely

[fading sun]

Nah

I don't wanna get sued to death by Nintendo when it becomes too old for me to play

[mighty zenith]

[empty dew]

Okay, we have:
Yharim, being melee
SCal, being mage
Draedon, being... probably summoner
What about other classes?

[mighty zenith]

rogue statis

melee braelor

honestly you might as well make draedon a ranger

since his favorite weapon is a ranged weapon

[frozen zodiac]

i find that fun that he has a favorite weapon out of the several dozens we find in the schematics

[languid badge]

Draedon shoots a gun in gfb so this checks out

Wait
Draedon is a hybrid player

[frozen zodiac]

evil draedon be like
"Computer, fetch me my list of compliments."

[rotund shore]

Draedon would use whatever is meta for any given boss

So ig he’d be mostly summoner lol

Considering summoners need for mana, I question how he would use it, actually

[split mortar]

He can easily just drain a star for the mana

Or he could just get a bunch of generators for mana

[tall crest]

he replaces it with draedon power

bro makes summons

[mighty zenith]

"I'm not Drae-done with you yet"

[maiden girder]

What did the people of azafure even eat

They lived in hell

[thick slate]

rocks

[maiden girder]

Is this real

[thick slate]

no

[maiden girder]

Who is statis

Or the people mentioned in the signus lore item

Leme clarify who are braelor and statis

[real silo]

braelor is silva's champion and statis is the leader of the onyx clan

onyx clan worships slime god and signus

[rotund shore]

They’re also super gay for eachother

[maiden girder]

Ok

[thick slate]

statis and braelor the goats

[maiden girder]

Aren't they locked in the devourers dimension or goon cave

Or flat out dead

[rotund shore]

Braelor is in the distortion, statis is elsewhere

[maiden girder]

We could fight them?

[rotund shore]

Technically but we have no real reason to

They’re gonna be NPCs

[maiden girder]

Did we have a reason for crabulon

[rotund shore]

I mean it probably attacked us first

[maiden girder]

A reason for the aquatic scourge

[rotund shore]

Although yeah for AS we were being an asshole

[maiden girder]

It's ai is peaceful until we deal damage

[rotund shore]

Although there’s a big difference between killing giant scary worm and killing a human man

[maiden girder]

With the both of them

And crabulon was just there

Doing shroom crab shit

The scourge was eating bacteria and that shit

Fish stuff

[rotund shore]

There is a certain logic of seeing a giant worm you’d want to kill it

It certainly doesn’t look peaceful at face value

[maiden girder]

I mean statis wouldn't be happy with both his gods getting killed

[dusk laurel]

signus isn't a god

[rotund shore]

We can hopefully plead self defense when it comes to slime god and signus

[maiden girder]

I want to fight more things

[rotund shore]

And I have to imagine statis can acknowledge slime god is fucked up now

[maiden girder]

Fucker took the corruption juice

You don't do that

[mighty zenith]

slime god, sure

but he absolutely wants signus dead lmao

[maiden girder]

And then the hallow juice

[deft vessel]

L

[maiden girder]

God knows what's next

[rotund shore]

Signus is a little bitch

[maiden girder]

What will the slime god drink now

[hot valve]

Statis has quests for us to do

[rotund shore]

Well he’s a rather big bitch

[hot valve]

It’s not unlikely one of them is to slay the slime god

[maiden girder]

No not angler 2.0

Please no

[hot valve]

I mean it’s not like the quests he has are fishing lmao

[rotund shore]

It’s cool dude quests for cool people probably

[maiden girder]

I wonder has the slime god ate some auric ore yet

[deft vessel]

Hello adventurer! I see you have killed the interdimesional horror. Im a glad for this and shall reward you handsomely

[dusk laurel]

it would die

[maiden girder]

Why haven't we died yet we literally wear the stuff

[mighty zenith]

because we trick it

with yharon soul fragments

[rotund shore]

We don’t die because we make a mock attunement

[hot valve]

It’s probably stuff like “beat slime god”
“Make my cool ninja belt”
“Kill Signus”

[dusk laurel]

yharon soul frags

[mighty zenith]

into thinking we're attuned

[maiden girder]

Oh yeah

[rotund shore]

Before we have armor, the ore does hurt us as well

[deft vessel]

But its only a scratch

[maiden girder]

Make my curse

What if slime god was aided by draedon

Given some funny stuff

[deft vessel]

Why would he do that

[maiden girder]

To see what will happen

Give slime god stuff and watch shit happen

[dusk laurel]

draedon literally worked for yharim i dont think thats happening

[tall crest]

its not a "is this realistic" q tho

its a "what if"

[maiden girder]

I mean it's draedon he has literally any reason for random shit

[hot valve]

I really don’t know what draedon could give to slime god

[maiden girder]

Chemicals

[hot valve]

Considering it’s…gelatinous