#lore-discussion

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earnest flare
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yharim did canonically kill jesus

humble fog
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The jesus is real

earnest flare
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ok nevermind

humble fog
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bee jesus

trim edge
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yharim will drop an auric nail gun

glossy wolf
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We know what yharim looks like but what does Xeroc look like

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or do we just not know is

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Ik there’s concept art

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But is there any concrete answer on his looks?

split mortar
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No ascended to godhood design

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Only the monk form

glossy wolf
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Oh

trim edge
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golem is based off a sun god and xeroc controls sunlight so

vocal spire
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the closest we have to an ascended xeroc is that symbol

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nothing more

glossy wolf
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Isn’t the symbol his eye

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Or am I tripping

humble fog
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Wait no 4

split mortar
trim edge
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it being his eye is old lore

vocal spire
glossy wolf
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like I used to think the symbol was his eye watching us as we did his challenge

split mortar
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So it’s just his magic being there

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Not him watching being that

split mortar
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Does look like a eye though

glossy wolf
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I mean does this and the symbol look similar?

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Wait

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This is essence of sunlight

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Oops

split mortar
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Sun being primordial light

earnest flare
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i cant believe that dog dies in endgame

split mortar
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Is that just extremely diluted primordial light

glossy wolf
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So in calamity

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are there like

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clans in the lore

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Like are there groups such as the cultists

earnest flare
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there are two cities

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both died

glossy wolf
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One in the jungle

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One in the bottom of the dungeon?

earnest flare
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there are the lizards
they're weird

glossy wolf
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Oh wait

earnest flare
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theres the sky islands
fovos killed them all in a day

glossy wolf
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That’s not what ur talking about

vocal spire
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what even is the lunatic cultist purpose on calamity lore

glossy wolf
earnest flare
glossy wolf
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And like stop his return

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I think

cosmic zenith
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Lmao

glossy wolf
earnest flare
glossy wolf
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Ohh

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I get it

cosmic zenith
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There are plenty of groups

split mortar
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I’m ant statis part of the onyx kinsmen, another group

cosmic zenith
vocal spire
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i have a question, who is noxus supposed to be and is he mentioned in the game?

trim edge
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if you look directly at the sun you can see the primordial light sigil
this is a reference to terraria calamity mod

split mortar
glossy wolf
earnest flare
split mortar
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Ceaseless and dogs

earnest flare
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i could only see it if i stared at the sun very hard

split mortar
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And Draetalk hints aswell I think

glossy wolf
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So what purpose do storm weaver and signus serve now

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I know ceaseless is a portal to the distortion

earnest flare
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hes like, killing everything

split mortar
trim edge
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signus breaks up gay couples

vocal spire
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if you ever see this in the sky it means giant monstrosities powered by primordial power are going to kill you

earnest flare
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signus supports conversion therapy (unbased)

split mortar
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(Unbased)

trim edge
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maybe signus isn't homophobic and just left braelor in the distortion so he could have statis to himself

vocal spire
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signus is jealous

split mortar
earnest flare
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why doesnt braelor just leave is he stupid

earnest flare
split mortar
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Plants don’t do good at cutting space time

earnest flare
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and thats blue

earnest flare
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no doubt

glossy wolf
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Is the terrarian like spawning into the world already powerful?

earnest flare
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.

glossy wolf
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Showing he’s capable of doing this stuff

trim edge
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terrarian possessed by the player

vocal spire
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me when i have to kill yharim because i'm bored 💔

split mortar
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This is hilarious

glossy wolf
earnest flare
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what have you done

glossy wolf
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I did a two year old one to my friends just to piss them off

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but who did he ping then

earnest flare
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lorewriter user

glossy wolf
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oh

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cool

thorn ruin
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You think this is what Yharim was posting on YouTube after the bee incident

magic epoch
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Draedon is mr beast?

earnest flare
vocal spire
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Draedon is gonna have a black square on his face and captions like "IT'S OVER"

split mortar
glossy wolf
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“The draedon situation JUST got worse.”

vocal spire
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"HE'S DONE"

earnest flare
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i just replied

split mortar
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There’s a difference?

hoary berry
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this is so awesome

split mortar
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Didn’t know you could turn the ping off

split mortar
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Skeletron should be the most magical being ever, it’s just bones so it’s mana making will be absurd

magic epoch
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Less bones than some other creatures

vocal spire
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is draedon's race like really smart or is he the jimmy neutron of his land

magic epoch
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Mainly worms

glossy wolf
magic epoch
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He's a machine

glossy wolf
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he’s a rogit

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Robot

magic epoch
vocal spire
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oh that's cool

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i always thought he was an alien

glossy wolf
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Who built him though

split mortar
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Some rando scientist

split mortar
magic epoch
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Some unnamed very smart scientist build an AI who, after the person's death, managed to control drones to collect materials for projects

glossy wolf
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I can assume it used to take orders

glossy wolf
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But got smart enough to realize why it had to

split mortar
magic epoch
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Draedon was already super smart

split mortar
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So some assume it’s a botched sentience transfer

earnest flare
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i just headcanon that it was a consciousness transfer that just deleted the guy's memories in the process

split mortar
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Idk what I think draedon is

earnest flare
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add nameless for good measure

vocal spire
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they're not surviving

split mortar
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This solos

glossy wolf
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god damnit I always choose the wrong image

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But

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Two matchups actually

earnest flare
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engineer gaming

vocal spire
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is it draedon alone or his machinery

glossy wolf
vocal spire
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he's losing i think

split mortar
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Auric polterghast theoretical vs normal polterghast

eager bluff
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auric

glossy wolf
split mortar
vocal spire
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the perforators vs the hive mind who wins

split mortar
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Pretty sure they’re equal

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Maybe perforators since they have worms

pliant ruin
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yeah its 50/50 tbh

split mortar
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There is the mod that lets bosses fight eachother

rotund shore
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Who wins depends on the vibes

autumn mirage
glossy wolf
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What is stopping ML from getting back his old power?

glossy wolf
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For some reason I’ve always wanted to see King Slime and Eye of Cthulu just throw hands

split mortar
split mortar
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Dragons

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After lots dying and more injured

glossy wolf
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Ohh ic

scenic olive
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couldve asked the dragons about it

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Before people take their souls away

split mortar
oblique forum
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Yo guys I have a question

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Is the permafrost inside the Cryogen or has he been turned into Cryogen

calm patio
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calamitas trapped permafrost in it

maiden girder
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Who is statis

calm patio
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is a onyx kingsman member

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that worships slimegod

calm patio
glossy wolf
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Does the shimmer biome have any lore in calamity?

pliant ruin
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not atm

split mortar
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What would happen if you drank shimmer, would you just forever be phasing through the ground?

pliant ruin
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mmm cherry flavour :)

split mortar
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With a side of glitter

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I feel like scal fits as for after exos (not stronger but just fought as the end), maybe it’s just the theme being more dramatic and scals aesthetic seeming more final to me

lone moss
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Yet another crossover question - how would Undertale interact with Terraria Calamity world, if Mt. Ebott was transplanted somehow into the playable world? Lore-wise it is.

Both sides keep their respective canons (and act accordingly).

sinful adder
sinful adder
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they'd also be pretty confused by the existience of monsters outside mt ebott that don't turn to dust

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in order to make this work, you'd need to change a few things about the lore of both, I think.

lone moss
sinful adder
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Human souls in calamity are like monster souls in Undertale, and dragon souls in calamity are like human souls in Undertale

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With the whole "sticking around" thing

earnest flare
sinful adder
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If there is anything remaining, then they are partially the previous person and partially something new.

earnest flare
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i guess consciousness transfer is different in that the body is replaced but theres still other stuff in the brain that usually persists after memory loss

sinful adder
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Memory and personality are linked and stored in very similar ways, as far as I understand.

lone moss
earnest flare
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ok but like

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undertale monsters are very varied

sinful adder
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Destroying part of one destroys part of the other, and vise versa. The resulting person may have a similar personality, but it's not guaranteed.

earnest flare
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why wouldnt everyone else also be stuffed inside that mountain

sinful adder
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You'd have to resolve the lore happenings that led to the monsters being there in the first place, and exactly what monsters even are

earnest flare
sinful adder
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Terraria monsters are primarily animals that also have magic powers, Undertale monsters are primarily like elementals, basically, and they just also have animal or object traits.

lone moss
sinful adder
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It's too vague to give any real answer

lone moss
earnest flare
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ok anyways yeah i think fovos' destruction and effect on the world would be far greater in this case

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a very monster-looking beast shows up one day and starts killing shit
im sure that after the dragons barely win they'd blame it all on the monsters

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and then their sealing in ebott becomes much worse because it would be because of draconic magic instead of human magic

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thus being far harder to break

sinful adder
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I still think this is too arbitrary to make any conclusions. There are too many things you could decide on.

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Human souls in Undertale can time travel. Nothing in calamity can do that

lone moss
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In this case, presence of Xeroc would pretty much prevent such soul-powered time travel from occuring.

earnest flare
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imma be honest i doubt all the saving and loading can take place outside of ebott in general

sinful adder
lone moss
# sinful adder Why?

Because he holds the essence of Xeratros Dragon of Primordial Light. And by default assumed to be the being with greatest Determination in this case. Alternatively, there is Yharon, the last Auric dragon, who holds dominion over Life and Rebirth.

sinful adder
sinful adder
lone moss
# sinful adder None of those things have any connection to determination.

As far as I know, in canon Undertale Human SOULS have much, much, much greater Determination than any monster save for few outliers (Boss Monster SOULS and Undyne, which SOULS are still inferior to human ones in DT part). Flowey and Sans get to cheat, former due to his being being almost entirely animated by pure DT, without a proper SOUL, and the latter (to much lesser extent) due to unexplained powers and Karma something.

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Flowey even mentions somewhere that he is unable to SAVE, LOAD and RESET anymore due to Frisk being around (||until he gets his Photoshop Flowey form or properly restores himself as Asriel||), which is as direct confirmation that being with greater DT can indeed prevent others from utilizing said powers, as it can get.

I just expanded that logic over to Auric Souls and Elementals.

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Terrarian in this case gets to cheat too, because he/she is controlled by a player (who would find it very inconvenient to be unable to save the game and continue later).

manic crypt
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What's the lore for calamity gang

lone moss
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Which by necessity required delving into details of either canon.

manic crypt
calm patio
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theres a lore doc in the pins

manic crypt
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Nrm I foundit

sinful adder
lone moss
sinful adder
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Alright, that's fair.

sinful adder
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I agree

hushed geyser
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While soul power doesn't mean determination

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I believe a large amount can give a semblance

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See what undyne did (to an extent)

sinful adder
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If soul power meant determination, poltergast would be have the most, because it is made of the most souls

sinful adder
hushed geyser
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She's just better lmao

sinful adder
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Way more than the usual monster

hushed geyser
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And if soul power meant determination high power monsters would have it I think

pliant ruin
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woahhhh story of undertale

lone moss
hushed geyser
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My roblox crashed wtf

humble fog
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It’s a sign

sinful adder
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Amalgamates in Undertale are literally invincible

sand ocean
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child cant kill it
its literally invincible

scenic olive
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shouldve make it two child

rotund shore
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Fun fact, if you cheat to get to the true lab at lv2 or higher, you actually can kill snowdrakes mom

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You just barely can’t at lv1

lone moss
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After all, what is Alphys's failures compared to consequence of Yharim's negligence, a complex fused being of probably hundreds, even thousands, of souls, stuck and damned in the dungeon?

sinful adder
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the absolute lowest would be beating things that can suplex boulders, as we see clearly with undyne.

lone moss
sinful adder
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This gets in to interpereting gameplay mechanics, because LV affects player stats. I am of the opinion that LV makes you physically stronger because it powers up your soul or something like that

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we know LV corresponds to real physical outcomes in terms of damage, so it's strange that repeated hits from someone who doesn't want to kill would eventually kill, but someone who really wants to kill does a million times more damage

lone moss
sinful adder
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do we know that?

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I can't recall any instances of attacking physical objects except arguably metaton's body.

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also, those same monsters affect physical objects with great strength too

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it seems weird that these things would be unrelated

lone moss
sinful adder
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that's a bit of a leap

earnest flare
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yall still discussing undertale x calamity? 😭

vocal spire
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tf

earnest flare
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dear god

vocal spire
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why is this undertale related now

lone moss
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We can stop if we are told to.

sinful adder
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I don't really even care about the crossover anymore

lone moss
sinful adder
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oh wait, one more thing

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LV increases your HP stat, and your HP stat is affected by physical attacks, not just magic

lone moss
# sinful adder LV increases your HP stat, and your HP stat is affected by physical attacks, not...

In Terraria (unless you have RPG mod installed), HP can only be increased by using very specific items, or temporarily by potions. Undertale follows an RPG convention regarding HP. I handwave the latter part by an assumption that most entities in Calamity are already at their highest LV possible (thus they're hostile by default).

But we will really end this for now. Time for something different.

vocal spire
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isn't there a whole thing of monsters being weaker than humans
i'm almost sure that the calamity bosses on the other hand are much stronger than the average monster or human in undertale, and the terrarian scales up with strength to kill them

sinful adder
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terraria monsters also have physical bodies and remains

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monsters turn into dust

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therefore, they're completely different

raven terrace
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For as powerful as the Exo's are, it's still weird directly remembering they don't exactly have an ounce of free will.

sinful adder
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It's not that weird. A nuclear bomb is powerful and has no will

raven terrace
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It's just a little bit weird for me.

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I mean, it 100% makes sense.

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Seeing these things go absolutely nuts in such a way and knowing they just fight off of A.I is pretty mind blowing.

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Draedon was in his lab cooking.

lone moss
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@sinful adder Another random crossover scenario (and mod that adds the character in question already exists):

How would Kirby compare to Calamity's stuff, and how would Yharim and Draedon describe it?

sinful adder
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that depends how you scale kirby power. Different dev statements contradict for them

raven terrace
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The Internet generally agrees Kirby clowns many from what I know-

lone moss
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Can swallow pretty much anything and gain powers from whatever it swallowed (or shoot out a damaging star).

hushed geyser
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Kirby is literally a black hole but pink

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A maw that devours all

sinful adder
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Kind of

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It's a lot like noxus really

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Possibly

magic epoch
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i feel like kirby would be described as a demonic, eldritch entity

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kirby easily beats all of calamity

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Kirby tangos with capital G Gods regularly

visual kiln
lone moss
magic epoch
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i think it would be cool if yharim befriended kirby to abuse his ease in killing gods

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since he's.

visual kiln
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imagine if yharim was a girl

magic epoch
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imagine if you were real

visual kiln
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@magic epoch

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pings u

magic epoch
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What

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buck

visual kiln
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p

magic epoch
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buckp

visual kiln
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l

magic epoch
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i

visual kiln
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0

warm gull
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this is not english

trim edge
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is english dog's first language or does he speak it so the player can understand him

hushed geyser
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He speaks Russian first

warm gull
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Didn't JRR tolkien invent russian

magic epoch
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No that was me

merry perch
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Calamity fans when they find out Calamitas is ≈40

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should i upload calamity brainrot on yt?

scenic yacht
merry perch
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nah

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she joined in on the crusades not that late

sudden ruin
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40 isnt that old yet

celest kettle
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True

merry perch
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nah

untold oracle
merry perch
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i dont think so

untold oracle
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Uhhh not sure how long has passed since then

merry perch
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she was a teenager when she destroyed azafure

scenic yacht
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the funny incineration happened roughly a decade before ingame events

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iirc

untold oracle
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So I’d assume she’s like 25–30

scenic yacht
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you can look at dev statements if you want

merry perch
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so like 15, she joined the cursades around maybe 17 and it has been like 20 years since

untold oracle
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She was way younger in Azafure

scenic yacht
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that would put her in her 30s, so not quite

merry perch
untold oracle
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I remember the word was child and not teenager

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But I can’t remember

merry perch
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wait but hear me out

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do demons have gender

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🤔

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could calamitas be non binary?

calm patio
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and shes aroace

scenic needle
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@merry perch

merry perch
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?

calm patio
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all we know shes in her mid-late 20s

merry perch
merry perch
sudden ruin
scenic needle
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Also I have not been on this sever since I joined

magic epoch
calm patio
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and the devs

magic epoch
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it's quite literally canon

calm patio
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.

merry perch
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she prob looks so old cuz 10k yard stare

mighty zenith
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look at her sprite

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she doesnt even look old

hushed geyser
mighty zenith
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you look like a nerd

hushed geyser
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False

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I do not

mighty zenith
hushed geyser
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I look like doctor pepper cream soda

mighty zenith
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drinks u

hushed geyser
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Poisons

mighty zenith
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:(

hushed geyser
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500 yummers

mighty zenith
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you get one

hushed geyser
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Exactly

magic epoch
hushed geyser
mighty zenith
magic epoch
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Tey'LL LETTHE STICKER PLAY MORE THAN 500 Times

hushed geyser
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Goku became emo briefly

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He even died his hair

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He died

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He became bald his hair died :(

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Them he rizzed 3 days later

magic epoch
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you know what else Goku did?

pliant ruin
magic epoch
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goku said trans rights

hushed geyser
pliant ruin
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Not that i have any siblings that are 26 but its pretty reasonable

hushed geyser
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Goku was never in the closet

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He was merely training in there

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God my grammar is awful tonight

warm gull
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goku wants to fight estrogen

hushed geyser
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Super saiyan rose but not evil

cloud ibex
hushed geyser
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Almost every anime protag ever would

magic epoch
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Which is incredibly based

hushed geyser
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Yes

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I watch anime because it's cool and because luffy one piece supports lgbtq

merry perch
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Sigmus quote of the day: You may only solve your traumas by facing them.

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IN this case, i restored Azafure and made the whole thing happen again, I'm going to keep doing this till she no longer has the traumas of the destruction of Azafure as she would have faced them.

woeful patio
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Truly Sigmus

wheat walrus
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sigma

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yessir

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was calced at 5,8 teratons, to possibly twice that as the higher end

so it's between small country+ to lower ends of baseline country level

wheat walrus
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np

random mulch
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yhar har

wheat walrus
random mulch
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i'm still messing around with some of the colors

glass tartan
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All tooogeeetheeeer

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Hoist the Yhaaaar hiiiiigh!

warm gull
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yhomni

sinful adder
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I'm surprised Auric wasn't called Yharic in old lore

merry perch
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Screw the bees, science always wins in the end just as Draedon eventually will.

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yharim getting mad with this 1

warm gull
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Is your profile picture... shrek stalin?

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2019 called

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they want their glowing red eyes back

mighty zenith
random mulch
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2019 was half a decade ago

hoary berry
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what the fuck

woeful patio
cloud ibex
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they're not wrong

sinful adder
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My brain blocked that message from my mind to save me the mental damage the first few times I saw it

random mulch
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am i cooking with the sketching??

untold oracle
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Yup

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We’re about to have a michelin star meal

random mulch
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this is just kinda sketch to get a general idea of the armor

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after this i'll probably try one with better proportions and line art

random mulch
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not polished in the slightest but it helps get the design across

mighty zenith
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face looks a lil goofy but its prob cause of the lack of polish

random mulch
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his proportions are pretty wacky but it's not the final version

celest kettle
random mulch
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weird proportions

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gonna fix it later

woeful patio
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He looks like that one short guy in the group

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Baby yhar

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Yhar

manic coral
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You know when we were discussing things about yharim's design i kinda wanted him to have like

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an animal pelt belt

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and maybe some other more brutal looking things to contrast the high-tech and slightly elegant armor

mighty zenith
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cowboy hat and a yellow+blue scarf and a toy gun and a

manic coral
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sorta adding to the detial that on the surface he seems elegant but you realize how brutal he really is

random mulch
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wouldve kinda muddied things up tbh

wheat walrus
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guys do you think the person who made the atom splitter knows how splitting an atom works

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cause well

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that wouldn't make you shoot things from multiple timelines, that would...

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uhh

split mortar
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What?

woeful patio
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It's Draedon engineering

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Ofc that would happened

real silo
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I think it splits atoms by shooting things from multiple timelines

shy swift
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*atom

pliant ruin
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do people know how atomic bombs work

plucky spruce
pliant ruin
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like. thats what happens when you split atoms. atomic bombs. thats how theyre made

random mulch
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neutron + U235 = 2 smaller atoms + more neutron + lots of energy

plucky spruce
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chain reaction! !!!

wheat walrus
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Alr

pliant ruin
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btw i could survive the universe splitter

shy swift
plucky spruce
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it is indeed, impossible to split the universe nothoughtsheadempty

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the calamity universe meeting the 4 dimensions

scenic olive
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but

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its like superfast chain reaction

random mulch
vocal kestrel
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It’s almost a symbol of his self righteousness. You know I’d imagine Yharim would become the stuff of legends and when you’d see him you’d kinda just get that feeling from looking at him on the surface level, standing atop a mostly abandoned and probably nature reclaimed aerie

random mulch
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yharim literally wants to look like a knight in shining armor

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he wants to be perceived as a hero

vocal kestrel
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I haven’t been following lore like at all, but I have always thought of auric being almost like a fools gold, almost completely worthless to the vast majority of people but abled to be processed into something greater. Still, to the average person, yharim would be wearing a suit of fools gold, and I kinda like that head canon cause it exemplifies his character.

random mulch
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auric is not near useless, but literally noone else than yharim and you can use it

vocal kestrel
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Yeah, so the vast majority of people would call it fools gold or something cause it’s unusable to anyone bar the greatest engineer and those it deems “worthy”

random mulch
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even draedon cant technically use it

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he had a lot of trouble with making yharim's armor

split mortar
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He didn’t use auric for his Exo mechs due to how hard it is to work with I doubt he can use it, yharim probably helped him a lot with the armour

random mulch
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probably also didnt have access to auric directly

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especially not after leaving yharim

split mortar
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Yharim did probably use a lot of the auric aswell

wheat walrus
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that one lobster from old godzilla shows vs xeroc

hushed geyser
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Lobter power

wheat walrus
hushed geyser
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Vegeta beats his ass

#

Tragically

wheat walrus
#

nah fam trust me lober solos

hushed geyser
#

Maybe

#

Depends if that's the same vegeta that lost to perfect cell twice

#

"You're either perfect, or you're not me"

mighty zenith
#

the best kaiju is gamera obviously

wheat walrus
hushed geyser
#

Biollante

mighty zenith
hushed geyser
#

Imagine a plant running your fade

mighty zenith
#

i thought it was just him spinning

wheat walrus
#

biollante goes hard though

pliant ruin
#

my favorite kaiju is like. biollante probablty

mighty zenith
#

biollante is awesome yea

hushed geyser
#

Giant plant destroys city

pliant ruin
#

awesome design + actually cool lore and movie

magic epoch
mighty zenith
#

WELCOME TO MINNMAX

wheat walrus
#

WELCOME TO MINNMAX

autumn mirage
#

his name is bradly, he is rather demonic in nature

mighty zenith
#

anyway i think hedorah is a silly guy and i think his concept is cool

glossy wolf
#

What are aurics origins?

hoary berry
#

we don't really know

#

it's obviously connected to the auric dragons in some way, both because they share their name and the line "draconic energy manifests in the caverns" or however it goes

#

though in what way it is connected to the dragons, and how it came to be, we don't know

split mortar
#

Maybe the “auric” of dragons can also affect metal causing auric ore, so on death just like some soul fragments break off some of its power causes auric metal to form

hoary berry
#

given how little we know of it, there are a lot of theories you could make regarding it

#

which is quite fun

split mortar
#

Yeah

earnest flare
#

why doesnt fovos need a wheelchair

cloud ibex
#

well he seems to be able to float

#

that helps

glossy wolf
#

During the 2nd phase of Yharon in his theme during the fight, he says “message to my master,” he’s speaking to yharim right? Although if he is I don’t know what he means by “this is a fight you cannot win”

eager bluff
#

yes he is referring to yharim

random mulch
hasty valley
#

Why develop legs if they can float

cloud ibex
#

maybe he couldn't at first

hasty valley
#

No way we’re gonna learn space cthulhu’s anatomy!!!

split mortar
split mortar
glossy wolf
#

yharim going thru a late life crisis or sum shit?

mighty zenith
#

the legs were there to dropkick babies

split mortar
#

Yeah, In the song it says he is blinded by depression and I’m pretty sure with current lore all of phase 2 yharon theme is canon

random mulch
#

fovos fatally wounded zeratros with an overhead kick

mighty zenith
#

but even that can be explained so

#

yeah

split mortar
#

Sadly stained brutal calamity doesn’t make sense with current lore

mighty zenith
#

sbc is kind of just in a weird spot

magic epoch
#

besides epiphany sounding AWESOME

mighty zenith
#

some parts of it work, some dont (like the entirety of lament and the "under your ruler's despondant demand" part)

magic epoch
#

my favorite song in the whole game: SBC:E

mighty zenith
#

epiphany is indeed amazing

split mortar
#

Epiphany is when you beat scal right?

magic epoch
#

that's acceptance

#

epiphany is the final phase one

mighty zenith
#

acceptance is still prob my favorite part though

magic epoch
#

starts during the whispering maelstrom

mighty zenith
#

epiphany is the best one but acceptance just

I love it

split mortar
#

Honestly all the song is great, took a while for me to get into the song but I like it

magic epoch
#

epiphany just builds off the main melody perfectly

mighty zenith
#

lament is the worst purely because i cant listen to dokuro's singing for very long before it gets annoying tbh

split mortar
#

Oh rip

glossy wolf
#

Did the brimstone slag biome use to be a city or something?

split mortar
#

Yeah

glossy wolf
#

I’m pretty sure calamitas attacked them

#

and then that’s where the brimstone elemental is just kinda a killer machine thing

split mortar
#

Nah brimstone elemental attacked it and scal tried protecting it

glossy wolf
#

Ohh

#

oh I’m thinking of the old lore item

#

woops

split mortar
#

Yeah

glossy wolf
#

I’d fight the elemental more but the heart of the elements kinda suck so 🤷

split mortar
#

Current lore brimstone awoke suddenly and started wrecking shit, scal awoke her powers as a complete equal to brim and their fight still destroyed the city

pliant ruin
#

calamitas when brimstone elemental

split mortar
#

Whose brim and whose cal

magic epoch
#

scal is an azafurian and hates azafure because she's evil or something idk i don't pay attention to lore

split mortar
#

She isn’t evil I don’t think

pliant ruin
magic epoch
#

she may not be evil but she IS fucked up

glossy wolf
#

Soo after the draedon update did like all lore kinda change

#

Because if changed

#

ALOT of stuff

magic epoch
#

ye

split mortar
#

Needing a therapist isn’t evil

magic epoch
#

lore was essentially all remade

glossy wolf
#

Calamitas used to be an eyeball

pliant ruin
#

she is fucked up as in she's autistic

glossy wolf
#

That would be weird to explain

split mortar
magic epoch
pliant ruin
#

did i stutter

magic epoch
#

you did actually

#

you just stuttered

pliant ruin
#

no i didnt. liar.

split mortar
magic epoch
#

i can tell you have to retype that multiple times to get it right

#

stutterer

pliant ruin
#

nuh uh

magic epoch
#

Fool

pliant ruin
#

calamitas is very normal and well adjusted to society

glossy wolf
#

So where does the sunken sea come from? I have an idea or two on where but I’m not sure if it’s right

pliant ruin
#

its a sea

#

and its underground

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
#

so i guess it's not actually a sea

#

it's more of like

#

a estuary

split mortar
#

I think it’s the major update after draedon

mighty zenith
#

from the ashes came like a year and a half later

pliant ruin
#

also yeah when draedon got added the lore was still Old

#

didn't he get reffered to as the cosmic engineer then

mighty zenith
#

in fact his lore was really goofy looking back

pliant ruin
#

cuz he used to be from like

#

space

mighty zenith
#

it was like

#

Yharim flew to space for some reason and found a completely robotic planet that draedon roboticized and just said "make me armor" and draedon said "ok"

pliant ruin
#

i did not remember that

#

i mean. a robotic planet is a cool concept atleast.

split mortar
#

Neither did I

pliant ruin
#

but. yeah.

glossy wolf
#

Why didn’t calamitas kill permafrost when yharim ordered her to?

split mortar
#

Because she didn’t want to kill her father figure

cloud ibex
#

cause permafrost is basically her adoptive dad

glossy wolf
#

ohh

#

makes sense

#

And then I assume yharim right he was did

#

Permafrosts lore item being yharim being surprised he lives yet

split mortar
#

Yeah yharim didn’t know scal trapped permafrost

mighty zenith
#

yeah cal faked permafrost's death

#

because yharim would've just

#

sent someone else to kill him

#

(probably DoG)

pliant ruin
#

but when she got told to kill permafrost, her father figure, which she knew was a good person

#

she probably went

#

wait a second .

split mortar
#

And then like a year or two later she skidadling

mighty zenith
#

this was after illmeris

glossy wolf
split mortar
mighty zenith
#

oh wait yeah

pliant ruin
#

you probs just misunderstood

#

devourer's goal

#

is to get divine essence

#

but it dosent mean he wont kill other people

#

he dosen't care about them as he

#

literally dosen't care about anyone cuz hes a egomaniac

#

neither the people he kills nor yharim or anyone else he worked with

mighty zenith
#

he was basically yharim's hitman

#

he liked eating gods but he would also just kill whoever he felt like or was tasked to kill

pliant ruin
#

his anme isn't even

#

ACTUALLY devourer of gods

#

he just called himself that

#

probably was like

#

"wait this yharim guy hates gods"

mighty zenith
#

it's clear DoG has no taste, because "nameless serpent" is a MUCH cooler name

pliant ruin
#

"hey yharim im the uhhh devourer. of. uhhh. GODS. yea. haha. i hate gods. love eating them. im so good at killing them and eating them. and killing them. im so fucking cool you should work with me"

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

in the distortion. straight up "devouring it". and by "it", haha, well. let's justr say. Gods

split mortar
glossy wolf
#

He probably called himself it cause, like everyone says, he’s an arrogant asshole

earnest flare
mighty zenith
#

wrath of the dogs

glossy wolf
#

So before the lore was changed, why tf was calamitas an eyeball

split mortar
#

Brimstone magic revives causing her body to change I think

mighty zenith
#

something something cursed by yharim

#

because yharim was a gary sue character in old lore

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

he could just do

everything basically

glossy wolf
#

oh ok

cloud ibex
split mortar
#

Oh ok

#

Is there a way to see old lore or is it just basically gone now

glossy wolf
#

Meaning you’d play the old version of calamity

#

With the old lore?

split mortar
#

Oh right never thought of that

glossy wolf
#

Or there’s probably old videos

#

Or wiki fandoms or sum

#

That cover it atleast a bit

mighty zenith
#

fandom lore is a whole another beast

split mortar
#

Yeah

glossy wolf
#

don’t use it

mighty zenith
#

there are the uhh

glossy wolf
mighty zenith
#

proton videos

#

the animated ones

split mortar
#

Oh yeah they covered a whole bunch

glossy wolf
#

Also is there any official artwork on xeroc?

pliant ruin
#

ye

#

pins

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

this is xeroc

mighty zenith
#

only the pre-ascension design

#

post-ascension is patreon only content iirc

split mortar
#

Not xeroc god form

glossy wolf
#

This picture to be specific?

split mortar
#

Yeah

pliant ruin
#

why is he so low res

split mortar
#

What happened to the pixels

glossy wolf
#

idk I found it in my camera roll

mighty zenith
#

xero(c) pixels

cloud ibex
split mortar
#

Xeroc drank every alchohol from cirrus

#

And the shroom

glossy wolf
#

There

split mortar
#

Sober xeroc

glossy wolf
#

So is xeroc considered a “good” god?

split mortar
#

We don’t know enough to say for certain

#

But I theorise yeah

cloud ibex
#

we don't really know but they seem kinda chill depending on how you look at it

pliant ruin
#

xerocs probably chill

#

cannot for the life of me see them as evil

#

at best a good guy at worst just neutral

split mortar
#

Maybe neutral

#

But I imagine decent guy, maybe neutral for not getting rid of evil gods but he prob just saw it as the world being the world

glossy wolf
#

Just my theory before I get proven wrong but. It does say in the lore that calamitas scorched the sea from yharim order, turning it into a barren desert right?

pliant ruin
#

yes for the most part

#

it was already a desert before

mighty zenith
#

the underground desert was full of water and civilization

pliant ruin
#

but the underground desert was the sunken sea yes, atleast part of it

#

^

#

the surface desert was still a desert but underground was (mostly) a sea

mighty zenith
#

noodl

wheat walrus
#

QUELLI SONO SPAGHETTI

random mulch
#

pasta

glossy wolf
#

noodel

split mortar
#

Will noxus and xeroc have to be fought post yharim?

glossy wolf
#

I mean

#

Probs?

glossy wolf
#

They’re super bosses

#

So I’d assume they’re after him

#

A boss

split mortar
#

Plantera is post mechs yet you can fight her in pre hardmode in calamity

#

So being linear is not much of a concern for the most part with calamity

random mulch
#

superboss doesnt directly mean post-game

glossy wolf
#

Well

#

Xeroc said you have to prove yourself worthy to get his proposal

#

so I assume we have to defeat yharim

#

To prove ourselfs

#

For him to share his proposal

glossy wolf
#

He says this when you beat the boss rush

#

His challenge

hushed geyser
#

Bro is yapping

#

He don't even know about goku

split mortar
glossy wolf
cloud ibex
split mortar
#

Yeah

hushed geyser
#

Well yeah

#

Realistically who wouldn't

cloud ibex
#

DoG

split mortar
#

Calclone might not

wheat walrus
#

bevouhrehr oh ghoths!

#

thupremeth karamithath

#

etho meth

split mortar
#

Wonder what Noxus is doing with the god essence

split mortar
glossy wolf
#

A failed draedon experiment iirc?

wheat walrus
#

karamithath chrone

split mortar
#

Not failed cloning of cal that cal broke out

pliant ruin
#

i can beat calamity terrarian

#

🙄

split mortar
#

You lose to brain hater the cheese then

cloud ibex
pliant ruin
#

wheat walrus
#

Man I'm beating you

glossy wolf
#

Does anyone in calamity not regret anything?

#

If that makes sense

#

Like yharim who has massive regret

#

Does anybody like have no regrets?

mighty zenith
#

yharim doesnt really regret much

#

he regrets losing his allies ig

#

but not as people but as tools that he was using

#

draedon doesnt really regret anything probably

trim edge
#

signus regrets not dating statis before braelor and having to forcefully separate the two

split mortar
#

Since that’s an emotion

#

But idk who else doesn’t regret, perma prob regrets helping yharim

#

Scal is full of it

#

Cal clone isn’t really sane enough to regret

#

Don’t think yharon regrets

wheat walrus
split mortar
#

A robot ai

mighty zenith
#

he can feel embarrasment/disgust due to how he reacts to our naming so

wheat walrus
#

The guy who made the exo-mechs

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

how we name his creations

split mortar
#

We name the mech bosses and miracle matter

mighty zenith
#

he really hates the names we give to the mech bosses and miracle matter (the player canonically gives them those names)

split mortar
#

Yeah I’m pretty sure only draedon and yharon don’t regret

mighty zenith
#

yharon regrets his people dying

split mortar
#

There’s a pinned doc with all the lore if you ever want to give that a read

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

he prob regrets not stopping the gods from absorbing auric souls

#

or at the very least zeratros' soul

split mortar
#

Yharon died without its soul getting absorbed, so I assume yharon died of injury not long after xeroc sucked zeratros dead

trim edge
#

maybe xeroc killed yharon in self defense

#

or moon lord killed him so yharon was an egg when xeroc ascended

cosmic zenith
earnest flare
#

did you know that xeroc says "even that power... it is not enough"?
this is a direct parallel to the ending of the undyne the undying fight from undertale in which she says "so even that power... it wasn't enough?"

spare pier
#

...

#

Is it? hdflr

earnest flare
#

no nutdealer quote slips by me

spare pier
#

I need to ask Cei

earnest flare
#

anyways what does this parallel mean?

#

umm

#

i dont think xeroc would trust undyne with his proposal

warm gull
#

that dialogue is gonna get taken out when the proposal is actually added anyways

split mortar
#

Ah so it placeholder

earnest flare
#

his proposal could be post-yharim, post-noxus, or even post-fight-with-xeroc

#

theres still time for that dialogue to exist

split mortar
#

I’m pretty sure if we beat boss rush then we’re good enough for the proposal

#

Also will bossrush get a revamp or rework in the future?

magic epoch
#

boss rush should be removed imo

pliant ruin
split mortar
pliant ruin
#

Out of all the things yharim could regret he specifically chose to regret the part where he lost all his allies due to being a terrible person and not the being a terrible person part

#

literally throwing a pity party for himself

split mortar
#

Like 20 difficult bosses over all like 50 bosses and 70% are piss easy or damage sponge

warm gull
#

well I mean he regrets being a terrible person because his allies left him

split mortar
#

Still throwing a pity party

warm gull
#

He doesn't regret genociding all gods or slaughtering their followers though

glossy wolf
#

In the new phase 1 resprite for DoG, where is his scar from? Or do we just not know yet

pliant ruin
#

we don't know yet but

#

personally

#

strong believer that it was braelor

#

please i beg it would be so cool

pliant ruin
#

go do that

#

food

#

go eat it

split mortar
#

Why you telling daichin to eat

pliant ruin
#

they need to eat

split mortar
#

They should eat raw bread

split mortar
#

Just so people don’t get confused

sinful adder
#

A thought: Draedon is not capable of regret because he is not capable of making a decision that has any regrettable consequences

cosmic zenith
#

"You're a squid (but like really, really strong)..." LMAO

rotund shore
#

calamity is actually an octodad spinoff I decided

unkempt dock
#

tbh my personal headcanon is that the Terrarian is just the absolute embodiment of "Nah, I'd win"

#

bro stares down world-destroying bosses for breakfast

pliant ruin
#

nfw none of the bosses can destroy the world

warm gull
scenic olive
#

Terrarian :

split mortar
scenic olive
#

What does it mean by world

#

Just the Planet

#

The Galaxy

#

or the Universe

#

Ive heard people that hyped out character just because they were quoted to have "world destroying capabilities"

split mortar
#

In calamity no one fits any of those definitions of world destroying

bleak escarp
#

Some probably could but won’t, yharim working with yharon probably could destroy the world but he won’t considering he has an issue with genoside or enslavement of people who don’t team with the gods.

#

The enslavement part shown in the lore for plague bringer Goliath

split mortar
#

Omni scaled scal to like country level (any higher and I’d disagree), so yharon and yharim given enough time (like months or years) I can see scorching the surface of the planet

earnest flare
#

scorching the surface is not the same as actually being able to do significant damage to the planet itself

split mortar
#

Yeah but i can see ending the world as meaning fucking up the surface

#

I’m some contexts

#

Instead of turning the earth into air

earnest flare
#

when people say that x will end the world i think they mean killing all life on it

split mortar
earnest flare
split mortar
#

Yeah end of the world seems like a broad statement

autumn mirage
#

listen fellas...

#

it would be really cool...

rotund shore
#

what are the lore implications of this

autumn mirage
#

too many to list

split mortar
#

They should cut 100% of it to make 50 of those per year

bleak escarp
#

One in each state

#

Which would then hatch open and baby devourer of gods pop out

#

Cause it’s really giant eggs

#

Super omelet

earnest flare
# autumn mirage

if the us cut 100% of its annual defense budget maybe it wouldnt be in debt in a couple decades

warm gull
#

But how would we defend

earnest flare
#

war is stupid anyways

warm gull
#

war

#

war never changes

real silo
#

war

#

war..... without reason

solar wharf
#

well, war without reason cant exist

#

if you war for the sake of it not being a reason, isnt that already a reason?

sinful adder
#

It totally could, if you just make war the whole thing your society does

pliant ruin
#

war with reason

real silo
#

but that's way too long and clunky for a song title

bleak escarp
#

A war without reason means that the reason is for no reason which in turn is the reason for the war without reason

scenic olive
#

what is a reason

#

without war

#

but war

#

with a reason

#

is something

pliant ruin
#

everything technically has a reason so

#

nothing happens 100% spontaneously

solar wharf
#

ye i was just being stupid

sinful adder
#

Ok yeah fair. It's a reason, it's just one that isn't reasonable

solar wharf
#

yes

scenic olive
magic epoch
#

oops didn't realize this was like sent 4 years ago

#

poopsie oopsu

humble fog
#

not even a full hour is now 4 years

warm gull
hoary berry
#

impossible

untold oracle
#

How does Yharim have auric tesla armor

warm gull
#

He doesn't

untold oracle
#

If it even is auric tesl armor

warm gull
#

He has auric armor

untold oracle
#

Well auric in general

warm gull
#

no tesla

untold oracle
#

Where did he get it

sinful adder
#

Wait what makes it Tesla. What did the terrarian do differently

untold oracle
#

Does aerie have auric ore?

sinful adder
#

The whole world does, but only people attuned to an auric dragon can touch it without exploding

#

Auric ore spawning after Yharon is a gameplay thing

#

Attunement is basically "power of friendship magic"

#

The player gets around this by having little pieces of Yharon's soul instead. This weakens the auric however.

untold oracle
#

Who was Yharim before shenanigans happened?

#

As a kid

#

Was he like a noble or smth

random mulch
#

he was in his 30s before shenanigans

#

and we dont really know anything else

untold oracle
magic epoch
#

iirc yharim isn't his actual name

random mulch
#

nope

#

he named himself after yharon

untold oracle
#

I thought he was like a teen at the time it began

random mulch
#

his actual name is unknown

hoary berry
untold oracle
sinful adder
#

Huh? The zapping is the exploding, I was being dramatic

untold oracle
#

Oh

sinful adder
#

You stop getting zapped when you mix the ore with soul pieces or wear auric boots

magic epoch
#

auric boots

untold oracle
#

I’d imagine that it would be a lot worse but the Yharon soul fragments just weaken it

#

Or whatever

untold oracle
#

What is auric rejecting?

warm gull
#

john yharlamity's soulight river mod

magic epoch
#

simply don't add yharon soul to your auric armor IDIOT

random mulch
hoary berry
#

to our knowledge, the only ways to not get auric rejected are to be attuned to an auric dragon or subdue the auric with auric soul fragments

warm gull
#

if you touch auric it gmod ragdolls you

sinful adder
#

What if you tried to fuse Yharon soul fragments to your soul?

#

The way the god ritual thing works, or a similar ritual, but with just the fragments

#

That said, we know souls can at least sort of fuse without that ritual, because polterghast exists

mighty zenith
#

yharon appears in your head and shittalks you like Nail in DBZA

sinful adder
#

It's only a tiny piece of his soul, I think it would just give you a tiny bit of auric powers

#

What happened to the Yharon soul fragments from his (at least one since the deific era) previous deaths?

#

Maybe the player got one of them, and got the ability to respawn from it?