lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

theres alot of reasons

[glossy wolf]

He’s

auric or sum shit I guess

[woeful patio]

attuntment probably

[fading sun]

He might be from the bee people

Like the people

Who live with bees

[scenic olive]

Yharim is attuned to Yharon

[fading sun]

Fr?

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

1. has auric armor
2. spent basically his entire life fighting (like, hes ovr 100 years old and he spent like 80 of those years in the crusade) so he's got insane experience
3. has exo upgrades from draedon
4. has attunement with yharon

[scenic olive]

nah its fake fabsol told me that

[pliant ruin]

like

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

he just has alot of things in his favour

[fading sun]

There's probably also has to be some mad genetics

[scenic olive]

ok imagine this

[pliant ruin]

and yeah he's probably ripped also

[glossy wolf]

how are us, the terrarian, suppost to defeat yharim then if he’s this strong ass warrior god or wtv

[pliant ruin]

he's not a god

[scenic olive]

what if a god become attuned to an auric dragon

[pliant ruin]

but well

[mighty zenith]

because we're just as strong

[pliant ruin]

the terrarian is just as strong lol

ye

[fading sun]

Cuz we're kinda the same

[split mortar]

Imagine if yharim gets a heal up ohase 2 like yharon used to have

[fading sun]

That would be crazy

[pliant ruin]

i hope one of yharim's phases has his ditching his sword and just going

aight. you know what. lets do it texas style.

and then he starts punching the shit out of you

[glossy wolf]

Yharon having it made more sense assuming he is the dragon of rebirth or whatever

[split mortar]

Just like how we defeat scal, win

[glossy wolf]

Yharim would be

[woeful patio]

Because We beat the living shit out of somany boss and rob their loot to beat him

[fading sun]

Jetstream Sam fr

[glossy wolf]

Wowzers

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian is a mystery, unless you wanna try explaining their strength

since they're entirely your character

[scenic olive]

1. you become ageless
   2.you can grow stronger infinitely

is this real chat

[pliant ruin]

idk if a god could even

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

get attuned to a dragon

i dont think it works like that

[split mortar]

He is attuned to yharon, so I’d assume some rebirth stuff may be on him

[glossy wolf]

fair point

[scenic olive]

i mean

[fading sun]

There's also that thing where a dev/lore writer explains why more than 1 auric soul doesn't work

[woeful patio]

I hope we can eat Yharon egg and become King God

auric egg

[fading sun]

Fr

[woeful patio]

yummers

[scenic olive]

wait

[fading sun]

Cook blessed dragon egg

[scenic olive]

i believe cei explained about attunement before

[glossy wolf]

What gender is yharon anyways

[fading sun]

Wher

[fading sun]

Dragon

[glossy wolf]

unless you’re talking about the egg to summon it

[woeful patio]

May Xeroc bless my omelett

[pliant ruin]

yharon is a guy

a dude

a bro, even

[fading sun]

But he has an egg

That's weird

But maybe like

Some random birds egg

[glossy wolf]

wasn’t there a massive amount

[pliant ruin]

i dont think the egg is even canon

its just

boss summon moment

[fading sun]

Becomes the yharons egg

[pliant ruin]

if yharon had an egg that'd have some implications

[glossy wolf]

of dragons like him during the dragonic era

[woeful patio]

Nah it did mention in Yharim origin

[glossy wolf]

maybe he got it from there??

[pliant ruin]

yeah but i meant like

the egg you use to spawn it

[glossy wolf]

ohhh

[pliant ruin]

like wouldnt htat imply yharon could lay eggs and like

[glossy wolf]

idk 🤯

[pliant ruin]

repopulate the dragon species

and it also implies dragons can reproduce without a mate

which means this entire time they could've just

layed eggs

to prevent the species from going extinct

[glossy wolf]

this science class now 🤯

[split mortar]

How strong would a auric polterghast be

[woeful patio]

Biology

[pliant ruin]

good questio

n

[glossy wolf]

or that

[pliant ruin]

i think a polterghast with one auric soul would already be kind of cracked

[split mortar]

Also maybe dragons have offspring at a very very slow rate

[pliant ruin]

one made out of only auric souls

....jesus

probably immensely unstable

like

[glossy wolf]

Is one auric soul that strong?

[pliant ruin]

if polterghast is already barely holding on to its "life"

and is lke

incredibly chaotic

one made out of auric souls would probably be....

yeah

[scenic olive]

wait it wasnt cei

[pliant ruin]

auric souls themselves are

already chaotic/unstable

[scenic olive]

You can't really make someone attune or attune intentionally, since it's about spiritual resonance - souls being in harmony, in tune with each other
So attuning to Yharon is at the very least becoming almost exactly like Yharim, potentially more than that given how Yharim's death probably has some effect in Yharon's mind/spirit

[split mortar]

Wait really?

[pliant ruin]

a being made of only auric souls might aswell break the laws of physics or something

[pliant ruin]

ye

[glossy wolf]

where even is polterghast from

[pliant ruin]

they're a little unstable

[glossy wolf]

Like its origins in the first place

[pliant ruin]

given

[fading sun]

Btw wasn't there like

The

Uh

[pliant ruin]

they kind of have to ''fuse" with the persons original soul

[fading sun]

The dev

[split mortar]

Just lots of souls from prisoners and jailers of the crusade

[pliant ruin]

which not only causes the domain of the soul to change but also just

[fading sun]

He explained that 3 auric souls turns you into auric polter

[pliant ruin]

means if you get another auric soul

[scenic olive]

ok what is world soul and why do we have auric souls now

[glossy wolf]

Oh, so it’s pretty old then

[split mortar]

Very

[woeful patio]

Yharim war prisoners, getting abandond and rot in dungen

[pliant ruin]

like if you get more than 1 auric soul

there'll be

even less of your soul in there

and by that point you'll probably start

losing yourself

both mentally and physically, i imagine

3 auric souls

[fading sun]

I doubt that's possible

[pliant ruin]

yeahhhh you're probably hardly a person anymore

[fading sun]

There has to be at least some normal soul

[glossy wolf]

So the terrarian gains quite a lot of auric souls from yharon anyways right?

[pliant ruin]

no

[glossy wolf]

forgot how much tho

[split mortar]

I imagine that when a god ascends they still go through some personality changes

[pliant ruin]

just fragments

[glossy wolf]

Oh

[pliant ruin]

the terrarian never gets a full soul

nor do they ever ascend coz they dont know the ritual

[glossy wolf]

was gonna say wouldn’t that cause us to be like

[split mortar]

Even with one auric

[glossy wolf]

crazy strong

[pliant ruin]

i imagine getting 1 auric soul

might change your personality a bit

but it'll be like

[fading sun]

I'd guess their ideals get cranked up to the extreme

[pliant ruin]

still generally recognizable and similar to your original self

like

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

its smth that could even reasonably happen to just a normal person who went through character growth

[split mortar]

Yeah

[scenic olive]

ok what if you have personality disorder and your body have two souls then ascended to godhood

[fading sun]

You become slime god

The swirly thing with two bodies

[glossy wolf]

When yharim does get added in like a million years will auric souls be an actual thing then?

[pliant ruin]

actually thats interesting to think about

[woeful patio]

[pliant ruin]

no

[fading sun]

Guys let's theorize what yharim's drops will be

[pliant ruin]

i imagine the powers will just go to one soul but then they will affect the physical body as a whole

i'm not sure though

[scenic olive]

no need to theorize

[woeful patio]

Honey

[glossy wolf]

chicken nuggets

No wait

[split mortar]

Crafting material forg sharowrsprg is e

[fading sun]

That's what he will drop on GFB

[glossy wolf]

Crap that’s Yharon

[split mortar]

Shadowspec

[pliant ruin]

yharim will drop 300 beenades

[scenic olive]

since Yharim is just a suit operated by a bunch of bees

[fading sun]

Imagine if he drops his meat

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

also yeah hell probs drop a crafting material for shadwospec

[fading sun]

I remember something like this

[fading sun]

Like what

[pliant ruin]

idk

[hoary berry]

strands of his wig

[fading sun]

Auric exo armor plating or something

[scenic olive]

Core of Yharimity

[glossy wolf]

Is shadowspec a stronger and like more unstable material than auric?

[pliant ruin]

shadowspec isnt canon

[fading sun]

Yharlamity

[fading sun]

Shurr up

[pliant ruin]

it exists purely to make dev items and donor items

[fading sun]

Probably

[pliant ruin]

no

[glossy wolf]

oh

[pliant ruin]

its literally true

its not canon

[fading sun]

Shurr up

[pliant ruin]

its a donor item

[fading sun]

Shurr up

[fading sun]

*dev

[pliant ruin]

no

[fading sun]

Shurr up

[pliant ruin]

no

stop being annoying

[scenic olive]

he has shadowspecfanonphobia

[fading sun]

Fr

Cheese do you have like an allergy to shadowspec bars

[scenic olive]

no

[glossy wolf]

Is astralgeldon canon? Dumb question just got me curious

[scenic olive]

im talking about you

[pliant ruin]

nah

its fanmade

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

no addons are canon

[fading sun]

No

[glossy wolf]

ok

[woeful patio]

Nah it got removed

[glossy wolf]

Not even noxus?

[fading sun]

It was once cannon but replaced by Astrum aureus

[pliant ruin]

noxus itself is canon

[fading sun]

No

[pliant ruin]

but wrath of the gods noxus isnt

[split mortar]

The wotg Noxus isn’t

[fading sun]

Yeah

[scenic olive]

ok since garbo isnt here

[pliant ruin]

its a separate character (that just has the same name

[glossy wolf]

Oh k

[scenic olive]

im gonna say it

[woeful patio]

2 Differnt noxus

[pliant ruin]

(it will be changed later

[split mortar]

The character will exist and is canon

[scenic olive]

Aureus suckkkkkk

[mighty zenith]

[split mortar]

But wotg noxus isn’t

[fading sun]

Wrong

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

Aureus looks cool

[woeful patio]

[glossy wolf]

aureus is a piss stain of a boss imo

Only reason I fight it is for the permanent buff

[split mortar]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

you're a piss stain of a person

[fading sun]

The boss fight sucks ik but the design is cool

[glossy wolf]

Tru

[pliant ruin]

astrum aureus is a boss

[glossy wolf]

hope they revamp it to be like

[pliant ruin]

that exists

[glossy wolf]

fun

[pliant ruin]

which i have no particular opinion on because ive never fought it

[glossy wolf]

like atleast??

[mighty zenith]

i dont get what's so bad bout him

[glossy wolf]

He’s annoying and boring in general

[fading sun]

The fucking unavoidable jumps

[glossy wolf]

loot is mid for a post planters boss

[split mortar]

It’s Jumps are annoying

[glossy wolf]

and just

The bumps

[mighty zenith]

literally go under him

[glossy wolf]

jumps

[scenic olive]

he aureus, i dont like aureus

[hoary berry]

dash in the other direction

[mighty zenith]

like its just that simple

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

TOO BIG

[scenic olive]

its like my hatred towards myself

[mighty zenith]

WAIT FOR HIM TO GO UP THEN

[glossy wolf]

[fading sun]

Guys

What would astrum deus look like

Like

[split mortar]

The boss is very huge and so half the time I get hit anyways

[fading sun]

If he was normal

And not astrally infected

[glossy wolf]

wdym normal

oh

Uh

armored digger but bigger

[mighty zenith]

if you dash when going under you'll never get hit

[fading sun]

That's very very wrong

[split mortar]

It’s been infected for the longest so it’s form is probably the most changed

[mighty zenith]

again you have to wait a little bit since he falls almost immediately once he's above you

[split mortar]

I do dash and get hit anyways

[fading sun]

Armored digger but better is just Thanatos/destroyer

[scenic olive]

armored digger but better is just armored digger v3

[fading sun]

Mokkuuu stop cooking

[pliant ruin]

if astrum deus wasn't infected it look like a uninfected astrum deus

[fading sun]

Palette swap

[pliant ruin]

because astrum deus current design is weird

[glossy wolf]

It’s been infected for a rlly long time

so

[scenic olive]

im the chef and you cant stop me from cooking

[glossy wolf]

Idk if it’s form would be altered

[pliant ruin]

rly long time?

ehhh

not rly

[fading sun]

The kitchen is in flames

[glossy wolf]

oh crap

[fading sun]

😭

[pliant ruin]

if anything it got infected really recently lol

like

[split mortar]

It’s been infected the longest

[pliant ruin]

the astral infection literally happens as you play the game

[glossy wolf]

Thought it’s been infected for like over a 100 yrs or sum

[pliant ruin]

i mean ye

its been infected the longest

but its also

[mighty zenith]

the longest doesnt mean long

[pliant ruin]

not really been a long time

ye[

[scenic olive]

exactly, just like that time in azafure

[glossy wolf]

Wasn’t the astral infection from space

[pliant ruin]

you do literally beat the infection out of it so like

yes

[scenic olive]

[glossy wolf]

couldn’t it have been infected from there?

[mighty zenith]

well yeah

[fading sun]

Holy shit I just saw two guys riding horses

[glossy wolf]

hell the astral infection couldn’t existed for centuries

It just came as the asteroid fell

[mighty zenith]

but why would the infection wait so long to make deus toss the meteor

[pliant ruin]

the astral infection happened recently

[split mortar]

Like all the astral things look very different from their uninfected forms so astral def changes things quickly

[fading sun]

It literally eats it

[pliant ruin]

like it literally happens as you play the game

[glossy wolf]

logic

[pliant ruin]

and again you literally beat the infection out of it

so like

[split mortar]

So I’d say for deus to be infected the longest it’s not out the question it looks nearly completely different to not infected

[fading sun]

Astrum Deus-es are in almost constant contact with the infection

[scenic olive]

cleansing

deuses

there are more than two?

[fading sun]

Yeah

It's a species

[pliant ruin]

(probably

not confirmed

but there probably are more than two

[fading sun]

They've been around for foreverr

[scenic olive]

ok headcanon

[glossy wolf]

when you get it to half health yeah

[fading sun]

No

[scenic olive]

[mighty zenith]

you have lost the right to speak

[pliant ruin]

draedon's theory is that there's a entire species

[fading sun]

I think like I saw that on here or maybe the lore item/bestiary

[mighty zenith]

🏸

[pliant ruin]

and it's the most likely option rn

but

it's not 100% certain

[fading sun]

What

[pliant ruin]

since as draedon says it himself

[glossy wolf]

Wait

[fading sun]

Does draedon talk about him

[pliant ruin]

it's just a theory/hypothesis

yes

[fading sun]

Oh right he talks about the infection

[pliant ruin]

draedon is the one that proposes the idea of it being a species

[glossy wolf]

is deus a GOD?

[fading sun]

As a whole

[scenic olive]

i still can communicate with emojis

[pliant ruin]

no

[glossy wolf]

or just a space worm

[pliant ruin]

deus isnt a god

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

its a worm

from space

[glossy wolf]

Ok

[fading sun]

Just a space worm

[mighty zenith]

[glossy wolf]

thought it’s title was the “astral god”

[fading sun]

But people appreciate it and kinda call it a god

[glossy wolf]

Got me confused with species and multiple

[pliant ruin]

deus is a worm that you give a shower

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

Even tho it's technically not

[mighty zenith]

its name is that because ppl thought its a god

[pliant ruin]

deus's fight is legitimately just you giving it a shower

[glossy wolf]

Oh

[mighty zenith]

giving it a snickers bar

[glossy wolf]

So when you give it an uh

Shower

Does it just die

[mighty zenith]

no

[pliant ruin]

deus is a god as in it's venerated as a religious figure not a god as in Literally a God

[mighty zenith]

he just comes back to space

[pliant ruin]

ye

you dont kill deus

hes actually one of the three bosses you dont kill

[fading sun]

Nah I'd imagine it's more like scraping rust and barnacles off of a huge ship

[pliant ruin]

most insane lineup ever

calamitas
draedon

[glossy wolf]

The two being scal and who else

[pliant ruin]

two incredibly important lore-relevant characters

[scenic olive]

ok idea, does it always storms wherever Storm weaver go or can he control the storms?

[pliant ruin]

astrum deus, some random space worm

[glossy wolf]

He controls it I’m
Pretty sure

[mighty zenith]

the latter most likely

[fading sun]

What are the others

[glossy wolf]

Same species as DoG but just

[pliant ruin]

calamitas

[glossy wolf]

weaker

[pliant ruin]

draedon

astrum deus

[fading sun]

Oh

[pliant ruin]

❌

[mighty zenith]

❌

[pliant ruin]

not the same species

[glossy wolf]

oh

woops

[scenic olive]

it would be funny if he cant actually control the storms

[pliant ruin]

and storm weaver is actually older than dog

[glossy wolf]

[scenic olive]

and its just there because he doesnt know how to stop them

[pliant ruin]

draedon basically goes

"dude this yharim guy is fucking stupid does he think these guys are the same just because they're both space worms. fucking. look at them"

yharim was so confident in saying they were the same species and draedon is just like

"no they fucking arent do you see a lion and a tiger and call them the same"

[fading sun]

Idk but it is definitely cool when the storm weaver

[glossy wolf]

Do the 3 sentinels follow DoG or are they just, there

[pliant ruin]

they don't have any association with DoG anymore

they're not even rly

"sentinels"

[scenic olive]

i guess signus

[pliant ruin]

ceaseless void is a portal to the distortion

[split mortar]

They are just distortion beings

[pliant ruin]

signus has no connection with DoG we knwo of either

ye

[split mortar]

Except ceaseless

[pliant ruin]

they're all connected to the distortion in some way

ceaseless being a portal to it (made by noxus most likely

storm weaver being a being that lived in there but came to our world

and signus being able to phase in and out of it

[scenic olive]

dog

[glossy wolf]

Dk why we need their drops to craft the summon item to devourer

or is it because

[mighty zenith]

outdated shtuff

[pliant ruin]

because videogame old

[glossy wolf]

They’re connected

To the distortion

[scenic olive]

dog was created by noxus

was it

[pliant ruin]

i imagine devourer will get a new summoning m,ethod later on

[mighty zenith]

they used to be his sentinels in old lore but that's been retconned

same reason why signus still has his title

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

and the distortion trio will probs get

more drops

given they have like

3

[mighty zenith]

(for some reason)

((why does he still have his title its confusing))

[pliant ruin]

signus, envoy of the distortion

: p

[scenic olive]

[glossy wolf]

are the boss lore items actually 100% accurate?

[fading sun]

No

[pliant ruin]

well yes

but actually no

because

[mighty zenith]

they're very biased

[pliant ruin]

they aren't innacurate

but they're also

[fading sun]

They're heavily opinionated and biased

[pliant ruin]

not ''objective" lore

they're yharim

yapping

[scenic olive]

i cant wait for Weaver to drop a lash that spawn lightning

[pliant ruin]

they're not like, literal lore

[scenic olive]

[glossy wolf]

oh I guess

In archmage lore

[fading sun]

I can't wait for weaver to become cool

[mighty zenith]

it better be called thunderclap

[glossy wolf]

Someone being surprised he’s still alive or something

[pliant ruin]

they're yharim telling you things through his own biased and generally very manipulative worldview

[scenic olive]

wdym

weaver is COOL

[fading sun]

He's the coolest of the three

[scenic olive]

[fading sun]

I mean like

The drops are kinda shit

[glossy wolf]

worms are cool calamity has like over 5

[fading sun]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

worm boss nation rise up

ok jokes aside aquatic scourge is a actually good worm boss that one is cool

really fun fight

[fading sun]

Wrong

[glossy wolf]

Do the preferators count as different worms or are they all like, one worm

[fading sun]

Annoying ass spikes

[pliant ruin]

the spikes are incredibly easy to avoid idk

[hoary berry]

AS has always been a fun fight for me

[fading sun]

I'm too busy dodging all the other shit he spews out

[mighty zenith]

i dont like arguing about bosses because everyone else's opinions are wrong and mine are correct

[pliant ruin]

i love weaving my way through the little gas bubbles it makes while also having to worry about the giant worm flying 5 miles per hour at me

[fading sun]

Fr

[pliant ruin]

its a hard fight but its a really fun type of hard

my fav boss yet

[scenic olive]

"Aureus is a cool boss"

[fading sun]

WEAVING??? LIKE THE STORM???

[scenic olive]

boom incorrect

[glossy wolf]

I couldn’t have thought of that myself 🤯

[split mortar]

Would t it be a distortion quartet since its four beings that have a connection to it

[mighty zenith]

unfortunately your speaking rights are still revoked

[pliant ruin]

distortion quintet

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

if you include noxus

[fading sun]

Noxus is like the distortion god

He might have made it

[pliant ruin]

not a god

[fading sun]

Or come from it

[pliant ruin]

but hes the strongest thing in there we know of

probably

[fading sun]

Yk what I mean

[pliant ruin]

if you say it like that people could think hes actually a god

its happened before

countless times

[fading sun]

We don't really know if he isn't

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[fading sun]

Or do we

[pliant ruin]

we do

hes not

[fading sun]

There's also the signus thing about how he wasn't there till deific era

[pliant ruin]

its been confirmed by devs before

[fading sun]

Aw

[glossy wolf]

Is the murasama connected to the lore at all or is it just existing assuming it’s from a different character from a different game entirely

[lone moss]

How would Yharim characterize Spirit's and Thorium's bosses (if he was to ever encounter them)?

[fading sun]

It's probably not

[glossy wolf]

Showing you have to beat Dog first

[mighty zenith]

its just non canon

[fading sun]

They look different from calamity

[glossy wolf]

Is dog connected to any other being in calamity besides noxus yharim and the army or whatever

and

I guess the sentinels if you really wanna include them??

[fading sun]

Probably not

[random mulch]

try to find out if they were a god or not

[pliant ruin]

the only character dog is really directed connectly to is

noxus

[random mulch]

if not god then he doesnt give a shit, if god the murder

[glossy wolf]

Is DoG an actual god

[fading sun]

He also hates the EoL

[random mulch]

no

[glossy wolf]

Or is he just

Get this

[fading sun]

Mo

No

[glossy wolf]

A devourer of gods

[pliant ruin]

dog is not a god he's actually just a dick

i hatelove him

[fading sun]

That's crazy

[pliant ruin]

he's a jerk and he sucks but he's also kind of fun

[lone moss]

And I assume that Stars Above characters (Starfarers specifically) would hopelesly confuse Yharim, due to how weird their existences are.

[fading sun]

Never played

They're like

[glossy wolf]

isn’t he known in yharims eyes as like a really cocky and ego having jerk

[fading sun]

Huge eye anime women

[fading sun]

Yeah

[glossy wolf]

he’s strong tho

So

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[glossy wolf]

That’s all that matter I guess

[pliant ruin]

and for once yharim is actually correct

mf has the biggest ego of the world

[fading sun]

I mean

[pliant ruin]

he'll literally go up to ceaseless void which is CLEARLY not something he made

[glossy wolf]

literally speaking

[pliant ruin]

and go

"yeah i made that!"

[fading sun]

You can't say shit to him about it

[pliant ruin]

trust me man

i made it

[fading sun]

He'll eat you

[pliant ruin]

i made that portal

im fucking awesome i know you dont gotta tell me

and nobody believes him cuz he fucking sucks at lying

[hoary berry]

i wish i could actually write dialogue
it's hindering me in literally every idea i want to write rn

[pliant ruin]

him sucking at lying is genuinely my favorite bit of characterization for him

[fading sun]

He kinda doesn't

[pliant ruin]

its so funny

[fading sun]

He manipulated yharim

[pliant ruin]

he didnt

[glossy wolf]

Doesn’t draedon and scal have a really bad hatred for DoG

[pliant ruin]

not that we know of

they never mention it

draedon in particular most definitely not

[split mortar]

Yharim kinda knew from the begging if he wasn’t loyal

[glossy wolf]

If he’s in the army and he’s this

[fading sun]

Happens to the averagest of us

[pliant ruin]

given he has no emotions for anyone

[glossy wolf]

Arrogant asshole

Then I would assume he’d be annoying

Lmfao

[pliant ruin]

calamitas has no reason to hate the devourer more than she hates any of the other members of the y harmy tbh

like

im sure she hates him

[fading sun]

Not rly

[pliant ruin]

but probably not any more than like

draedon

or the mech bosses

and well

[glossy wolf]

Scal hates everybody pretty much

[fading sun]

Yharmy 😭

[pliant ruin]

❌

she just hates yharim

[glossy wolf]

oh

yeah I said that

[pliant ruin]

shes just a girl leave her alone

[fading sun]

She's probably not just a girl

[pliant ruin]

i will kill the incredibly mischaracterized fanon interpretation of call as a arrogant rude antisocial person with my hammer

my big hammer

[fading sun]

She's like 20 in the lord

[pliant ruin]

yeah shes like 26

[untold oracle]

No

[pliant ruin]

shesj ust a girl

[untold oracle]

Calamitas ain’t evil

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas is genuinely the character that gets mischaracterized the most in the community i feel

[lone moss]

Her actions were, but these very same actions broke her psyche.

[pliant ruin]

To be fair alot of it happens coz in the old lore she had a vastly different personality and backstory

[untold oracle]

She was ultimately brainwashed

She realized that and now is depressed

I think

[pliant ruin]

I don't consider calamitas to be a bad person because she was a child who was being manipulated by a figure who offered her protection whcih she naturally would grow to trust and she most likely thought that she was doing a good thing or being some sort of hero

[fading sun]

Like what

[pliant ruin]

it's not fair to judge her as evil when she literally could have not known what she was doing was evil in my humble opinion

like her actions are terrible yes but i do not think the blame is on her

blame that mf yharim

[glossy wolf]

When you defeat calamitas and she is talking about this figure she couldn’t even best, she’s talking about yharim right?

[pliant ruin]

yes

[lone moss]

Also, how would Yharim describe Jelly Deluge?

[fading sun]

Ok so it never crossed her mind that incinerating a whole ass sea is bad

[glossy wolf]

Out of pocket but does xeroc like do anything in the lore

or does he just kinda

Exist

[untold oracle]

She was taught that they are bad people

Justifying it

[pliant ruin]

^

[fading sun]

Damn

[split mortar]

Kinda just exist after sucking zeratros

[fading sun]

There are a lot of parallels to be made with calamity and the real world

[fading sun]

🤨

[pliant ruin]

A 13 year old has a small underdeveloped idiot brain and they will not question things as much as an adult

specially when the things they're being told comes from someone who quote on quote ''saved" them during a moment they were incredibly vulnerable

[split mortar]

There is a chance empress is like a champion or underling of xeroc, since she is “sickeningly obedient” and gets primordial light

[fading sun]

What's that

[hoary berry]

we have no real idea of what xeroc has been doing in the last 800+ years besides training, but it's possible they're trying to watch out for and protect terraria from other external threats akin to fovos

[pliant ruin]

xeroc is making mac and cheese

[fading sun]

Yeah

[fading sun]

Training??

[glossy wolf]

So xeroc just doesn’t gaf about anything unless it really harms the whole of terraria itself

[pliant ruin]

maybe

we dont rly know much abt xeroc rn

[split mortar]

But like other then having a chance at having a underling doing god knows what we don’t know anything about what they have been doing

[lone moss]

A night event that happens sometimes, during which a crapton of airborne spaceborne Jellies come down to Terraria to... Reproduce, apparently.

[fading sun]

That's crazy

[split mortar]

Sounds like a different mod event

[lone moss]

Yep. That event comes from Spirit mod.

[split mortar]

Then I don’t see why yharim would talk about it

[lone moss]

I ask a hypothetical, if he had ever encountered it.

[fading sun]

Imam fo now

[glossy wolf]

Does anybody like Yharim actually know of Xerocs existence if he’s been this quiet in the past 800 years or whatever

[pliant ruin]

yharim would probably just go

"wow cool jellyfish"

[split mortar]

Probably just view it as some normal even to ignore, unless they worship a dragon eating god

[pliant ruin]

yharim and yharon knows he exists

we can assume silva does too since she has the terminus

[glossy wolf]

they just haven’t done anything right?

[pliant ruin]

and uhhhhhh yeah other than those we dont really know who

[fading sun]

Probably every god out there knows xeroc

Cuz liek

[pliant ruin]

i doubt every god knows them

[glossy wolf]

He’s the first

[fading sun]

They heard of the ascension

[pliant ruin]

he was the first yeah

but

i doubt

[fading sun]

And did it themselves

[pliant ruin]

they all got it from him directly

like

i think it was a domino effect type thing

[glossy wolf]

How many gods do we know exist in calamity then

[pliant ruin]

xeroc ascends > people who were near him during ascencion who saw it ascend > they tell more people > they tell more people > they tell more people

and so on

[pliant ruin]

currently: not many because yharim fucking killed them

before: alot

[glossy wolf]

wait out of pocket

Does dog fucking eat gods

Or does he just kill them

[pliant ruin]

he "eats" them but by "eating" i mean just sending their essencwe to the distortion

he dosen't like

digest them

[hoary berry]

he eats them, but what he does with the essence of the gods isn't fully known
probably sends them to noxus

though by what mechanism, we don't know either

maybe just a portal, maybe something else

[fading sun]

I mean

[glossy wolf]

portal

[fading sun]

He does make portals

[glossy wolf]

maybe

[split mortar]

Turns out dog has a ceaseless void in his bowels

[fading sun]

He proly has one in his stomach or something

[fading sun]

Fr

[glossy wolf]

didn’t yharim recruit DoG because he was desperate to end the war

[split mortar]

Yeah

[glossy wolf]

it’s just called the war?

Or crusades

[split mortar]

Cause it had been going on for like 60-80 years by then

I think either works

[glossy wolf]

Why did yharim even like start this war

Was he just bored

or is he just a bad person

[lone moss]

Would Draedon be intrigued by spaceborne entities just casually descending down to Terraria?

[glossy wolf]

Prolly

he was tasked with making DoG armor when the worm was recruited

so

He probably flickered on a few lightbulbs

[hoary berry]

draedon would be intrigued by pretty much anything he doesn't know i imagine

[split mortar]

He was thrown in lava by gods, yharon told him a lot of super biased dragon propaganda and they decided to genocide gods

[glossy wolf]

Oh

[hoary berry]

especially stuff like extraterrestrial entities, who won't have been studied very much whatsoever

[glossy wolf]

so who wiped out all of the dragons during the dragonic era

[hoary berry]

lots of room for scientific breakthroughs there

[glossy wolf]

Yharim?

[hoary berry]

fovos

(moon lord)

[glossy wolf]

I actually do not know who that is

[spring helm]

Moon Lord

[glossy wolf]

Ohh

I’m stupid

[hoary berry]

fovos is moon lord's original name, but as time went on that name was forgotten, with moon lord taking its place

[spring helm]

Fovos is just another name for Moon Lord in this mod

[pliant ruin]

nya

[hoary berry]

:3

[spring helm]

[lone moss]

Chtulhu mythos are a thing in Calamity?

[split mortar]

Moon lord weakened. And killed a lot, then the ones left over got killed and used for ascension

[fading sun]

Not necessarily by gods

[untold oracle]

Yharon being a real one

[spring helm]

No

[untold oracle]

Then Yharim getting the blame

[split mortar]

No

[glossy wolf]

Is cthulu still canon in calamity

[untold oracle]

Classic auric dragon w

[split mortar]

No

[hoary berry]

cthulhu is moreso used to refer to big spooky monsters in calamity, it isn't an actual entity

[fading sun]

No

[split mortar]

Yeah it’s just something used as basically “hey this is a big and dangerous being”

[glossy wolf]

Where do the brain and eye come from

are they just

monsters

In this sense?

[untold oracle]

Some eldritch remains of gods I assume

[split mortar]

Yeah they’re just monsters

Maybe brain is some god essence like perforator

[spring helm]

Eye of Cthulhu’s kinda just show up from time to time

[lone moss]

BoC and EoC both well predate Deific era.

[glossy wolf]

Is the hive mind anything

or is it just

There

[spring helm]

Yeah it’s the essence of the dead gods Yharim killed trying to put themselves back together

[glossy wolf]

Oh

nice

[split mortar]

Hive mind and perforators are the most built up undead essence of evil gods yharim didnt dispose of

[pliant ruin]

perf and hive mind r both the most "concentrated" remains of the evil biome gods

[scenic olive]

Dead flesh Fester

[lone moss]

Which also means that Crimson existed even before the gods were slain, but it was nowhere near as potent.

[spring helm]

That’s why he had DoG eat the essence later on, when left alone they turn into the evil biomes (and hallow)

[pliant ruin]

they're technically the first divine beings you fight

[glossy wolf]

Are the evil biomes still living infections in calamity

Or r they something else

[pliant ruin]

This isn't stated anywhere

[scenic olive]

Okay But Dead Space with Crimson/Corruption would be cool

[pliant ruin]

Evil biomes r divine essence

which was left in there for too long

[split mortar]

Crimson is the essence of gods

[pliant ruin]

basically

[untold oracle]

Aren’t the crimson and corruption from the first gods Yharim killed

[split mortar]

And hallowed

[untold oracle]

Since he was inexperienced at the time

[split mortar]

I think

[pliant ruin]

yharim killed a bunch of gods and buried their bodies somewhere and didnt dispose of their essence

[glossy wolf]

I think but I’m
Not sure about the first

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

so they eventually turned into the biomes

corruption + crimson are both

the result of the essence of gods who

were

not very good people

thus theyre

yk

evil biomes

[untold oracle]

Crimson was from a very vile god

[pliant ruin]

hallowed on the other hand

[glossy wolf]

What about the hallow though? How come it only comes around after you kill the wall of flesh

[pliant ruin]

are from

[split mortar]

But the biomes aren’t just 1 god, it’s like 20 gods

[pliant ruin]

gods who were benevolent

also yeah

the biomes arent just 1 god

its various

[pliant ruin]

yharim sealed it inside the wall of flesh

[glossy wolf]

Ohh

[pliant ruin]

he also sealed part of the evil biomes in there

the fact that

[untold oracle]

Along with other ones

[pliant ruin]

he sealed the hallow fully

but only partially sealed the evil biomes

makes me think that, even if not intentional by the lore writers

[split mortar]

Wall is a construct used to seal god essence safely

[pliant ruin]

the idea that he did that to favour the propaganda of his worldview works really well

like

[untold oracle]

Gods aren’t good!!

Just look at this!!

[pliant ruin]

he sealed the hallow fully so ppl arent aware it exists so people cant go "oh wait the gods could be good!" but he leaves a little bit of the evil biome so people see the gross nasty evil bad biome and go "gods are so gross and evil!!"

[split mortar]

The hallowed

[untold oracle]

Yeah that’s why it was sealed

[spring helm]

At first Yharim didn’t know that the essences of dead gods stuck around. Later on he got some alchemists to build the Wall of Flesh to seal away any other essences of gods he would kill (but he didn’t get rid of the already existing evil biomes)

[split mortar]

Maybe he couldn’t seal the already foul essence in the land, so the crimson and corruption and hallowed in the wall are post wall making?

[glossy wolf]

build?

How does that work

[pliant ruin]

idk freaky flesh magic probably

[split mortar]

Yeah azafure built the wall with demonic magics

[glossy wolf]

Ohh

[spring helm]

Idk he didn’t really explain how they built it

[glossy wolf]

makes sense

[pliant ruin]

maybe ig but i like my explanation much more

[split mortar]

Fair

Though if he can get the wall to be made he def could get something like clentaminator to fix the landscape so either way he left the smaller evil biomes alone by choice

[glossy wolf]

so where do WE come in

Us the terrarian

When and how do we end up here in the terraria world

[split mortar]

It’s up to you

[untold oracle]

The terrarian’s lore is up to you

[split mortar]

Someone get that terrarian lore picture

[glossy wolf]

When we spawn in

Everything is just out to kill us

basically

But we’re also out to kill everything too

pretty much

[untold oracle]

That depends

[split mortar]

If that’s what you want then yeah

[pliant ruin]

its also important to note that everything the terrarian kills usually kind of deserved it

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

so No the terrarian isn't the Bad Guy unless you Want Them To Be

[untold oracle]

Aquatic scourge tho 😔

[pliant ruin]

rip scoog... you will be missed

[split mortar]

(Not queen bee or aquatic scourge)

[untold oracle]

Also queen bee yeah

Desert scourge yeah kinda

[pliant ruin]

nah not rly

[untold oracle]

Deserved

[pliant ruin]

desert scourge is a predator

it probably attacked you

which i mean

its not evil

its just a hungry animal

[glossy wolf]

Is desert scourge related to aquatic scourge?

[pliant ruin]

but i mean

[untold oracle]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

you kind of needed to defend yourself so

[pliant ruin]

ye

related species

[split mortar]

Same genus

[pliant ruin]

both r sea serpents

[glossy wolf]

Just an animal adapted to just surviving and assumed you to be prey

[pliant ruin]

idk if id say same genus

maybe

but maybe not

[split mortar]

They seem close enough I can see it

[untold oracle]

DS became dry and a predator whilead AS adapted to sulphurous sea

[pliant ruin]

AS didn't really change much i don't think

It just kind of went

[untold oracle]

Yeah it still eats microbes

[pliant ruin]

damn this sea cool as hell and decided to stick there

also

DS probably was always a predator

[split mortar]

Despite it being super toxic

[glossy wolf]

Does the adult edilon wyrm have any place in the lore

[pliant ruin]

i doubt a filter feeder would just

[spring helm]

Why did Desert Dcourge dry up when the Underground Sea is still there? Is it stupid?

[pliant ruin]

suddenly get the ability and adaptations needed to hunt

[pliant ruin]

ye

[untold oracle]

No it was stated somewhere it also ate microbes before incineration

[pliant ruin]

primordial wyrm, that is

[pliant ruin]

it was only said by yharim

and yk

yharim is notable for

being a fucking idiot

so

[spring helm]

Unreliable narrator

[pliant ruin]

yharim "storm weaver and the devourer are obviously the same species" godseeker

[untold oracle]

Yharim spreading misinformation

[split mortar]

First eidolon wyrm, blessed by silva and hates usurped primordial light(xeroc primordial light) and would fight Xeroc on sight

[spring helm]

Also it’s called Primordial Wyrm now

[pliant ruin]

adult eidolon wyrm is a outdated name btw jic

[split mortar]

Especially at biology

[pliant ruin]

all of the miniboss wyrms are adults

[glossy wolf]

Would xeroc have any difficulty then if that happened

[pliant ruin]

primordial wyrm is just 1 really strong and old and divinely blessed wyrm

[split mortar]

Fuck no

[pliant ruin]

nah

[spring helm]

No

[pliant ruin]

[split mortar]

That wyrm would get treated like a garden worm verses a bomb

[glossy wolf]

The way you descripted the primordial wyrm made me have doubts mb

[pliant ruin]

primordial wyrm is the strongest entity in the mod currently

but also xeroc is xeroc

[glossy wolf]

Isn’t the mini boss names and descriptions include juvenile?

[pliant ruin]

nah

that was old

they're just called eidolon wyrms now

and the big one is called primordial wyrm

[split mortar]

It may stay strongest in gameplay, since it serves as a dungeon guardian type role

[untold oracle]

What’s some lore yall made for your character?

[glossy wolf]

Does the dungeon guardian have lore in calamity

Or does it just exist

[split mortar]

I don’t

[pliant ruin]

it is a guardian and it is from the dungeon

[glossy wolf]

He swings a sword and kills stuff. That’s all you gotta know

[pliant ruin]

it guards the dungeon because it is the dungeon guardian

[pliant ruin]

self insert

: p

[spring helm]

Incessantly bugs Calamitas to become a magical girl

[split mortar]

I just imagine them as generic hero guy in my runs

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[untold oracle]

I tried to make some long ass lore for my characters lmao

Since uhh

[spring helm]

That’s great

[untold oracle]

I like long playthroughs

[glossy wolf]

[spring helm]

This is lore discussion, we love lore

[split mortar]

At one point I thought we were some kind of dragon thing since I heavily misinterpreted the awakening lore time

[glossy wolf]

How did the abyss like

Come to existing then

I forgot its lore

[split mortar]

I think it’s just some natural formation

[pliant ruin]

my character is a self insert so naturally she would go up to silva and go PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[spring helm]

Natural trench in the ocean I think

[split mortar]

Like how Mariana Trench is natural

[spring helm]

@ionic harness

[glossy wolf]

Ic

[wheat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/570396636958687254/1262561163762466857/3A8B0B73-1C2C-4A24-A71A-5AB3C9752A2D.gif

[glossy wolf]

Saw this one video of a guy using a mod to make DoG and primordial wyrm duke it out with the wyrm winning. Lore wise who would win

[split mortar]

Wyrm

[untold oracle]

One of my characters was a buddy of Silva back when they were a mortal

[split mortar]

Pretty sure wyrm is like scal or yharim level lore wise

[untold oracle]

Like if that works at all lmao

[wheat walrus]

wyrm

[spring helm]

They’re definitely close, but personally I think Yharim still comes out on top

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wheat walrus]

not like yharim would attack his beloved dragon descendant

[split mortar]

Like the wyrm is probably equal to zeratros since it is blessed, without the blessing it’s probably a bit below

[split mortar]

Yeah they’re prob fine to some extent

[mighty zenith]

guy who literally grew from a flower that grew on one of silva's vines after the guide accidentally poured purification powder on it

[untold oracle]

If you can defeat it, pretty sure Yharim can too

[mighty zenith]

and basically became the world's janitor wanting to clean up all the shit that happened to it and all the people that caused the shit

[pliant ruin]

the criminal and the crime

[mighty zenith]

(mostly yharim and draedon

[untold oracle]

That’s cool!

[split mortar]

Good luck stopping draedon

[hoary berry]

i keep on switching between coming up with ideas for two seperate OCs

[pliant ruin]

note i do not have wings in real life

or horns

or a halo

[mighty zenith]

yeah that's part of it

[pliant ruin]

the rest is pretty accurate though

[hoary berry]

but one of them has an entirely alternate backstory that i'm also thinking about so basically three OCs

[spring helm]

However

Consider the following

[untold oracle]

Nah I’d win

[mighty zenith]

big man

[spring helm]

If that is a crime lock me away and dispose of the key

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-edit-gif-gif-8779246285837829520

[split mortar]

Such lore

[pliant ruin]

warning 1

[wheat walrus]

primordial wyrm vs gojo wis edit whatever

[pliant ruin]

dont post sigma jujutsu kaisen edits

[mighty zenith]

we should kill omni

[wheat walrus]

[mighty zenith]

we should put omni in the timeout corner

[wheat walrus]

the should-put cosmic void

[split mortar]

Let’s throw omni into lava

[mighty zenith]

with a fatalis egg

[spring helm]

Behold

[untold oracle]

Nothing bad would happen, right?

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/fatalis-monster-hunter-gif-19148052

[spring helm]

My Terrarian fishing fanfic

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11GdPyHnKZdyURIBeLWjd16pA6YVKdbgk-OXtGnd1w_I/edit

[mighty zenith]

what if fatalis was called freakalis and he licked his lips in a weird way in a random gif

[wheat walrus]

literally what happens

[spring helm]

Why is bro licking his lips

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/fatalis-monster-hunter-gif-19148113