lore-discussion

[magic epoch]

1v1 him in street fighter then

[humble fog]

I punched all his lil clones

[magic epoch]

he would win

[humble fog]

The only thing ik about that game is the moves the brawlhalla crossovers from it have

Also which one

[magic epoch]

original

[autumn mirage]

the fog is coming, and this is its herald

[pine dagger]

oh god

[pliant ruin]

this truly was a lore discussion

[lime lance]

my bad

lol

[jaunty wraith]

This chat is autistic as in we diverge way to much

[lime lance]

me when im browsing channels and forget to go back to the one im gonna post in

[split mortar]

Doesn’t help theres atleast one autistic person here (me) probably making it unintentionally worse

[jaunty wraith]

Make that two (I am as well)

[split mortar]

Isn’t autism meant to be uncommon? Don’t think this statistically makes sense that there’s two autistic in this small chat

[pliant ruin]

atleast one autistic person

brother i can guarantee you over half of the people active in this channel are atleast autistic

[split mortar]

I guess lore discussion is a autism magnet then

[woeful patio]

Lorians

[split mortar]

?

[sinful adder]

More generally, Internet communities attract people who aren't "normal"

Because otherwise they'd be outside doing dumb shit with their friends

[wheat walrus]

the beast is demonic in nature

very icky

no good

[sinful adder]

That kind of thing is cool and all, but I can't really relate to liking it, and I wonder if those sorts of people ever really even try to learn and think about the world and why things are the way they are.

[wheat walrus]

wym

are you talking about going outside and doin shit with friends

[split mortar]

So the internet in general is a magnet for people who are different

[wheat walrus]

autism magnet

[split mortar]

Yes

[split mortar]

I think so

[sinful adder]

Yes, but maybe I worded that badly. I'm not condemning all of that kind of thing

[hushed geyser]

That's the point of small(ish) communities

[split mortar]

Dont think calamity has a small community

[trail zodiac]

what species is dragon folly

is he like

a bird

[jaunty wraith]

He's an offspring of dragon evolution, similar to the fishrons and wyrms

[real silo]

Damn that explains some things in my life

[trail zodiac]

so

old duke

[real silo]

humanity is divided into two sides
the normal people and the chronically online people

[warm gull]

I do shit irl with people I know pretty regularly but tbh I honestly like online communities better sometimes

[trail zodiac]

guys if my profile was a boss

what would it be called

i think idk

[pliant ruin]

it would be called Wof2km

[trail zodiac]

Woah

awesome name

what species would it be

prolly old duke 2

that would be awesome

[warm gull]

I have bad news about old duke

it's pretty mediocre

[thorn ruin]

Slime god Giga chad avoiding all of Yharims forces

[split mortar]

Proceeds to successfully avoid a century worth of war where like three basic guardsmen with some skill could with trouble kill them

[split mortar]

Pretty sure dragon folly is the species name

[thorn ruin]

Able to avoid a whole war of the strongest ppl alive.
Gets killed by random guy alone with some weak tools in comparison

[trail zodiac]

old duke best

[real silo]

I have found no one irl with the same interests as me

[split mortar]

Rip

Hope you do some day

[real silo]

Even my friends who are into anime like different kinds of anime

[oblique forum]

Yo guys

[real silo]

And different japanese music

[pliant ruin]

i have like 1 friend who i live close to and we havent seen eachother in months

[real silo]

I hope so too

[oblique forum]

Why is Yharim actually evil?

[real silo]

Maybe next year 🙏

[pliant ruin]

alot of reasons

he's commited like
a few war crimes

a good few.

...alot

alot of war crimes

[split mortar]

Lot of reasons, killed hundreds of millions of lives

[pliant ruin]

yeah he kind of did do the whole mass genocide thing

[split mortar]

A Geneva suggestion way of doing wars

[oblique forum]

Well, but he wanted to fix the world afterwards

[pliant ruin]

nah he didnt rly care

[split mortar]

He views killing the gods and their millions of followers as fixing the world

[pliant ruin]

he did seal the evil biomes in the wall of flesh but that's kind of all he did and the fact he didn't even fully seal them shows that he probably wanted to keep trhem around for the sake of his own propaganda

like he did 1 good thing and that good thing was caused by his evil actions in the first place and his reasonings for doing the good thing weren't even good

[oblique forum]

Draedon doesn't care about anything more

[pliant ruin]

it's like someone kicking a puppy then putting a single bandaid on the puppy and going "i'm such a good person"

[split mortar]

There’s not any more with draedon, he never cared about others just science

Doesn’t help yharon fed him a lot of the genocidal ideas

[oblique forum]

Who was Permafrost all along?

[split mortar]

What? Don’t think permafrost has a secret identity

[oblique forum]

I know only that he was a friend of Yharim, the Archmage, and he trained Calamitas

[pliant ruin]

Permafrost was yharim's advisor

and calamitas's (adoptive) father

he left yharim after he realized
waitttt. this guy is actually really evil isnt he

[oblique forum]

Understandable

[split mortar]

Any other questions?

[oblique forum]

Yes

[split mortar]

Then ask away

[oblique forum]

Xeroc, who finally, because I also don't really know

[pliant ruin]

Was the first human to turn into a god

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

Much like other gods they were just a normal person before they ascended to godhood

In this case they absorbed the soul of Zeratros, the strongest of dragons who had domain over primordial light

The exact circumstances of the event are unknown

But from what we do know

[split mortar]

(Basically the sun is primordial light)

[pliant ruin]

It is a very plausible possibility that Zeratros willingly let Xeroc absorb its soul

Xeroc talks to us thru boss rush dialogue

[split mortar]

Isn’t that outdated though

[oblique forum]

Xeroc + Zeratros = Nameless Deity?

[pliant ruin]

Nah

[pliant ruin]

ND isn't canon

It's fanmade

[split mortar]

No nameless is not canon, it’s a weird interpretation of old lore xeroc

[calm patio]

No. not at all

Nameless deity was a old iteration

[pliant ruin]

ND is it's own thing yeah

[calm patio]

yea

own thing now

[oblique forum]

Understandable

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc isn't in the game rn but he might be added as a superboss later on

If he does get added you won't actually kill them it'll just be like

a test type thing

[split mortar]

Cause he is that far above even yharim when we beat yharim we can’t kill

[pliant ruin]

yeah

devs also seem to avoid having characters that aren't explicitly evil or a threat to the player be killed

[oblique forum]

Noxus is also just fanmade?

[split mortar]

Nope

[calm patio]

Noxus is in the lore but not alot is there

[pliant ruin]

(astrum deus, calamitas)

Noxus is canon but

[calm patio]

Noxus in wotg is getting changed

[pliant ruin]

noxus (wrath of gods) isn't

that one is a different character which is getting a new name

[split mortar]

That’s a canon character is but wotg interpretation isn’t

[misty osprey]

Xeroc is a silly guy, just a silly feller.

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is just a fellow

A guy, even

[misty osprey]

Cause he just gives us a rock from the aerie for being more or less just entertaining

[pliant ruin]

Yeah he straight up goes

[split mortar]

You cool but a tad weak here’s a rock

[pliant ruin]

"damn that was cool. hey uhhh i don't really have anything to give you right now. have this rock. come back later i'll think of something cooler."

[spare pier]

Y'know the cricket from Puss and Bots 2?

Yeah, that's Permafrost

[pliant ruin]

oh yeah .

[split mortar]

Except he had a bit more of an effect on yharim then cricket did to Jack horner

[split mortar]

Not much

[plucky juniper]

i feel like i've been either misled or something is really weird about yharim's scale

he's supposed to be the villain

[pliant ruin]

ye

he is

[split mortar]

Yeah

[plucky juniper]

im hearin people here discuss him like a villian

[pliant ruin]

ye

he is

[plucky juniper]

but uh

[pliant ruin]

scale as in

like

[spare pier]

"Wait... You're an irredeemable genocidal!"
"Oooh! Oh! What took you so long? Idiot"

[pliant ruin]

size? powerscaling?

[misty osprey]

I like how most of the important characters that we interact with just talk to us like they didn’t just attempt to actually murder us either directly(calamitas, draedon) or indirectly (permafrost, xeroc)

[pliant ruin]

please don't be powerscaling. please don't be powerscaling. plea

[split mortar]

He is the villain, he commuted genocides and killed hundreds of millions of innocents

And had atleast one child soldiers

[pliant ruin]

i'd rather talk about yharim's actual literal size than powerscaling i'm begging you

yes. let's talk about his scale. he's 1.88

[plucky juniper]

i didnt say it properly

[misty osprey]

We don’t really interact with yharim, he just monologues at us through the lore items.

[plucky juniper]

yeah hes probably big

[split mortar]

Isn’t he like 9 foot big or something

[pliant ruin]

he is taller than the average person

[misty osprey]

He a tall boy.

[pliant ruin]

but he is still Person Sized

[split mortar]

Not providence sized

[pliant ruin]

like he's a tall guy. but he's still Guy Sized

yeah .

[misty osprey]

He’s the tallman to our half-foot

[spare pier]

He's more like 2,10 to me ngl

[split mortar]

Then what were you asking?

[plucky juniper]

nothing

[spare pier]

Like, he is humanly tall

[misty osprey]

Terrible analogy but it’s funny so I don’t care.

[pliant ruin]

yeah that sounds more accurate i was just thinking of a random number

[spare pier]

But by no mean average

[split mortar]

Ok

[pliant ruin]

1.88 was the first that came to mind

[plucky juniper]

just noting its funny to see that hes treated here as the villian hes supposed to be

[spare pier]

Omfg I wrote "tall" as "tool"

[sudden ruin]

shouldnt the man be shrinking by now

[pliant ruin]

human tools

[split mortar]

What do others treat him as some tragic hero?

[plucky juniper]

when ive been picturing him as a formerly decent PERSON

[pliant ruin]

as opposed to chimp tools

yeah he

never really was

[plucky juniper]

not percent

[pliant ruin]

decent in the first place

[split mortar]

Nah he was planning a genocide step one

[spare pier]

He does

[pliant ruin]

yeah his entire plan from the getgo was Kill Every God

[split mortar]

Except him and yharon

[pliant ruin]

if his plan had started out as

Kill The Evil Gods

yeah, sure

but

[split mortar]

Those two are hyper biased

[pliant ruin]

nah it was straight up Kill Every God from the start

[misty osprey]

I just visualize him as a despot who grows more bored by the day at the head of a long dead kingdom.

[split mortar]

Even the good ones like tyrian and ontonilou

Or any hallowed god

[pliant ruin]

they were just chillin in there

[misty osprey]

He’s a bad guy, but at the point we are I just visualize him as viscerally bored

[plucky juniper]

to me he seemed like he had been told how the gods basically had to genocide an entire race to get power
and was like, "wtf? these guys must die"

[sudden ruin]

maybe in his mind its for the greater good

[pliant ruin]

in his mind he's in the right

[misty osprey]

I wouldn’t doubt that.

[pliant ruin]

but uhm yeah he isnt

[plucky juniper]

of course, that doesnt mean the gods werent justified, i'd probably wager the auric dragons were not all that great

[split mortar]

Yeah, he was basically fed yharons extremely biased worldviews on the gods after being thrown in lava by gods

[pliant ruin]

yharim's entire character is

he's ignorant of reality and too far gone into his own biased ideology to realize he's a absolutely terrible person

[plucky juniper]

i mean if some of the gods are supposed to be good then uh

yeah

[pliant ruin]

like i hate to say it here but yharim is quite literally by definition a genocidal bigot

[split mortar]

Yeah

He has some logic to his goal, hence why he does it but with an outsider look you can quickly see it as not that good

[plucky juniper]

quick question what was the situation with THAT

[pliant ruin]

Yharim isn't a ammoral force of evil, he's a person with very strict and defined morals

[plucky juniper]

specifically the part where he got thrown into lava

[pliant ruin]

The problem is that

well

[spare pier]

The worst part is that Yharim kinda has a point

[pliant ruin]

his morals aren't good

[spare pier]

Like, yeah genociding an entire race isn't very nice

[wheat walrus]

Society... 😔

[spare pier]

But he goes by it in the absolute worst way possible

[split mortar]

Some gods tries to make him ascend with yharons auric soul so he can be god king, he refuses so they throw him in lava

[pliant ruin]

See the problem with yharim's ideology i don't see many bring up

BESIDES the fact that

well

genocide is bad.

is that "gods" weren't like

[split mortar]

One organisation

[pliant ruin]

an association or group of people who banded together to hunt dragons

yeah

it's like

[plucky juniper]

im more confused aboutt he part where they supposedly threw down the fucking yharon egg

[real silo]

these people are so evil they genocided an entire race
proceeds to genocide an entire race himself

[plucky juniper]

is this just an exaggeration of yharim's trauma of getting thrown into lava? cause that's the only way i can imagine the situation

like

[pliant ruin]

imagine if great white sharks caused the extinction of tiger sharks and then some fisherman guy who eally liked tiger sharks procceeded to seek every single great white shark to hunt to extinction

[split mortar]

They were prob not reasonable gods, plus they probably knew yharon would be able to come back so they didnt want someone to ascend into god king without their permission

[pliant ruin]

like of course the tiger sharks going extinct isnt good but you cant just

[plucky juniper]

or are they stupid?

https://tenor.com/view/man-yeah-i'm-man-meme-the-flash-batman-arkam-gif-12016075606724428920

[split mortar]

Both

[plucky juniper]

what did they expect

[wheat walrus]

Pc master race solos the gods

[split mortar]

Yharon to die or something

[plucky juniper]

why would they just throw the egg and cause the dragon to rise yknow

[pliant ruin]

generalize every single great white shark as the cause of it when they're not like. talking with the other great white sharks about how to cause the extinjction of the tiger sharks. its just a unfortunate sequence of events no particular group could really be blamed over

[split mortar]

Didnt know yharon would grow quicker I presume

[split mortar]

Yeah, yharim portrays gods as far more organised then they are

[sudden ruin]

he prob thinks all gods are corrupt and will eventually do something horrible

[pliant ruin]

yes i know my great white shark and tiger shark and fisherman calamity mod lore analogy is very good

[split mortar]

Kinda has to for his worldview to work

[pliant ruin]

i definitely couldn't have used anything simpler

i do not have fish autism

[split mortar]

Could have used something more complex

[split mortar]

Eh doesn’t matter if it made it a bit more complex I still understood it

Sure others did

[plucky juniper]

remove tiger sharks from the analogy, make it instead the orcas "genociding" the great whites

[pliant ruin]

i will now replace great white sharks with Angler Fish of the species Thaumatichtys axeli and tiger sharks with Lanternfish

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-planet-anglerfish-thaumatichthys-little-fish-come-into-my-mouth-little-fish-gif-25863357

[wheat walrus]

Where does yharim scale

[split mortar]

In what

[sudden ruin]

ur not helping the case with this gif cheese

[wheat walrus]

"poopersailin" otherwise known as powerscaling

[split mortar]

Power? (Shut) size? (Big)

[pliant ruin]

can we powerscale oarfish

i think they rank continent level

[wheat walrus]

Yharim scales below plumgian concepts

[split mortar]

Idk a bit above scal who evaporated a sea so prob island level or something from that one powerscale video I’m pretty sure you helped make(or some other omni did)

[wheat walrus]

That's the same tier as a 500k metric ton relativistic missile

[wheat walrus]

Yes I did

[pliant ruin]

ok i'm gonna go watch limbus company youtube content now goodbye

[wheat walrus]

The more updated calc is small country+ though

[split mortar]

Bye

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/project-moon-limbus-company-ishmael-gif-8115201162521515762

[sudden ruin]

is limbus actually fun

[split mortar]

Eh still makes sense I think

[split mortar]

All games can be fun; depends on what you find fun

[pliant ruin]

(not biased) (0 bias)

its my favorite game of all time

[sudden ruin]

i find getting over it fun

[eager bluff]

i refuse to believe anyone enjoys league

[pliant ruin]

and its tied with a certain magical girl anime for my favorite Media of all time as a whole

[sudden ruin]

magika girl thing

[eager bluff]

transformers

[split mortar]

Touhou

[pliant ruin]

the gameplay itself is honestly really fun if you have the mental illness needed to enjoy it but what really blows things out of the water is the story

genuinely best writing ive seen in anything ever alongside madoka magica

[sudden ruin]

modoka magica

?

oh yes

[pliant ruin]

ye

https://tenor.com/view/mami_tomoe-gif-9953218

cheese lore

[sudden ruin]

oh my ogd

is this why

i feel enlightened

[plucky juniper]

im gonna suspect the reason behind my confusion is purely the fact that there literally hasnt been another significant alternative perspective to yharim aside from amidias

[split mortar]

Yeah

[spare pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/854972561481662514.gif?size=80&quality=lossless

[plucky juniper]

and whos going to fucking talk to amidias

of course this will change in sso

[split mortar]

Also draetalk but that’s quite limited for now(wonder if they will add more)

[plucky juniper]

i think theres plenty of that tbh

now i want more caltalk

[split mortar]

So yeah we mainly have only the super biased genocidal racists point of view for lore currently

[eager bluff]

i forgot you play league

i still dont believe anyone enjoys it

[wheat walrus]

rest in peace

[autumn mirage]

the child

[wheat walrus]

the child is demonic in nature

[autumn mirage]

correct

[eager bluff]

very icky

[wheat walrus]

no good

[autumn mirage]

that's why i make him pay rent

to live in my basement

[split mortar]

Would yharim be able to play limbo in his armour?

[warm gull]

what if lore discussion was called freak discussion

[split mortar]

Not much would change, we would be off topic most of the time anyways

(Plus most cal characters are weird)

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/jojolion-endless-calamity-endless-calamity-wonder-of-u-gif-22458105

[autumn mirage]

photoshoped sunflora with a gun

it looked very silly

[wheat walrus]

photons traveling through a fiber optic cable at 299792458 m/s to display this message on someone's screen

[split mortar]

Really wish they didn’t

[wheat walrus]

man we really gotta stop these photons

[split mortar]

Yeah, let’s eat the cables

[wheat walrus]

yummers

[autumn mirage]

they taste like ow

[split mortar]

Very ow

[wheat walrus]

overwatch

[latent bolt]

dragons when fovos invaded:

[cosmic zenith]

So true

[split mortar]

Did random shit and died?

[wheat walrus]

fovos when dragons invaded

[latent bolt]

dragon retaliation

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-fight-spongebob-fight-gif-17721615

[wheat walrus]

imagine fovos was a king of a kingdom in an alien planet and then the dragons invaded

goes hard

[split mortar]

Inverses calamity lore

[wheat walrus]

this goes hard feel free to screenshot

[split mortar]

Make it blindingly bioluminescent and have more eyes then boom moonlord

[wheat walrus]

ark rockwell prime vs prime moonlord fovos

[cosmic zenith]

Solar. Vortex. Nebula. Stardust. Long ago, the four Celestial Pillars lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Auric Dragons attacked. Only Fovos, master of all four Pillars, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he faltered.

[wheat walrus]

lol

[wheat walrus]

this is rockwell prime

[split mortar]

Fire would win

[split mortar]

Funny

[wheat walrus]

I mean sort of

[split mortar]

Idk what that is or how strong it is

[wheat walrus]

you did blast him with a big heat ray and then caused the artificial star in the spaceship to explode

[wheat walrus]

so uh

quick references

this guy compares to a civilization that can create moon-busting weapons and artificial stars

[split mortar]

Oh then that guy def wins easy

[wheat walrus]

and he was gonna become the entire universe if not stopped

[split mortar]

Cal scaling stops at planet level max or something doesn’t it

[wheat walrus]

country level lol

ark powerscaling is odd

on one hand you got dinosaurs on steroid

[split mortar]

As in with characters like xeroc noxus and moonlord prime

[wheat walrus]

on the other you got a super advanced civilization that straight up nuked the moon

[wheat walrus]

yes

[wheat walrus]

and you even have access to basically a black hole grenade

rockwell is also so funny cause that guy was basically just a random old man that went mad and decided to inject element (an eldritch metal that breaks the laws of nature in many ways) into his veins

[split mortar]

Yeah that guy would basically be if nameless deity from wotg was canon decided to be more active in terms of power from everyone else’s perspective

[wheat walrus]

and became this thing

[split mortar]

So some old guy injected shadowspec bars into his veins and became that

[wheat walrus]

I guess

molten element specifically

[split mortar]

Oh damn

That guy seems strong

[autumn mirage]

but do you know whose stronger?

[wheat walrus]

Felinus

[autumn mirage]

solos xeroc

[wheat walrus]

To say that the felinus solos xeroc is to greatly understate the true power of the felinus

[hasty valley]

they're more continental

they're told to be capable of destroying planets but would take them a long time (hence why they're not full on planetary)

[sinful adder]

that's not really accurate

A human can destroy a mountain with a shovel and pickaxe, given enough time. That doesn't make the human mountain level

[hasty valley]

thats.. literally what i said

[sinful adder]

whatever-level is supposed to be what someone can do in like, a single action

yeah, but you used it to justify things wrong

[hasty valley]

Doesn't alwayss have to be single action btw

[sinful adder]

it has to be a reasonably short time

nothing in calamity is above very small country level, with xeroc being able to throw a tiny sun at the earth, and everyone else is way below that

[hasty valley]

Xeroc is among the less destructive powerhouses and is more of the combat powerhouses

xeroc can take a year or two to wipe out the planet

[frozen zodiac]

this was me trying to find perennial ore i keep decimating the underground biomes looking for specific items

[hasty valley]

Noxus would do it in a much shorter time, lets say maybe even a month or two

[frozen zodiac]

my mining speed has gone so high that vein miner literally can't catch up to break chunks of ores

[hasty valley]

and we still know relatively nothing about them than we do with other characters

just because noxus can destroy the earth in a much shorter time doesn't mean he's closer to planetary level than xeroc is
So the argument of (to be an x level is to be able to destroy said X in a single action or a reasonably short time) falters here

[cosmic zenith]

Many of the giant Ilmeran crabs boiled with the Sea or starved to death in neighboring caverns. Only the smallest and fastest of their kin survived, making a hasty escape to the serene waters below.

[wheat walrus]

There is no calc that gets anywhere near continent level for Calamity, unless you really wanna highball Calamitas' feat

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/boil-crab-hear-locket-gif-26065736

[celest kettle]

[hasty valley]

Fovos and xeroc are your guys

tho one is crippled the other is featless

and noxus is just there with that pathetic power level
Still weird how its so low unless there's more to it

[eager bluff]

moon lord did not in fact have near continent level

noxus is weaker than xeroc but stronger than basically everything else

so like

not pathetic at all

[hasty valley]

Not fovos

[hasty valley]

Still pathetic relatively speaking

[eager bluff]

fovos and moon lord are one and the same

[hasty valley]

ok?

doesn't change that fovos is more powerful

[eager bluff]

they have comparable power

[hasty valley]

unless the list is outdated

which i hope it is because it just
Doesn't make the most sense

[eager bluff]

so fun fact dbz power levels are literally made to be subverted

so lmao

[hasty valley]

I was gonna point out how beings suppressing themselves would actually fool the dbz scooter into thinking they're this weak, etc

But the way the list is laid out doesn't really show thats the case
Due to fovos

[eager bluff]

here have the faq

[hasty valley]

wasn't this made before the more specific power levels

[spring helm]

Calamitas with prep time vs old man Yharim

[hasty valley]

also i dislike how we're using dbz power levels

[earnest flare]

specific power levels are not real

[wheat walrus]

FOR REAL

[hasty valley]

where a random kid could destroy the moon for some odd reason

[earnest flare]

cei's numbers are her opinions

[spring helm]

Power levels only properly work when everyone has the same kind of power

[earnest flare]

and i dont like powerscaling calcs for various reasons

[spring helm]

And they don’t in calamity

[hasty valley]

Somewhat of a relief

[earnest flare]

thus i just used the greater than or less than symbols in the faq

its the best middle ground i could find

[hasty valley]

they didn't make tons of sense

[wheat walrus]

Weak

[spring helm]

Shclump

[wheat walrus]

Dadawg laughs at you Pushingtron

[earnest flare]

dont care

[hasty valley]

Its just wonky that apparently someone with a power level of what, lets say 500-1000 or even as low as 200
is powerful enough to destroy a moon in one blast

[spring helm]

Why

[wheat walrus]

We go from 5 being an average human to not even 200 being a moon buster

[hasty valley]

canonically their power-level is at the millions now and somehow the very planets they're walking on are still intact

[earnest flare]

that'd make noxus capable of destroying the moon in 1 attack and then some

[hasty valley]

dbz i meant

[wheat walrus]

Killing you with hammers

[hasty valley]

not calamity

[earnest flare]

if calamity had power levels id fucking die

[wheat walrus]

It's over 9000!

[spring helm]

Calamitas is 7, and I am 10

WoooOOooOOO

Scary

[hasty valley]

also if they were in fact actually dbz power levels, xeroc would prolly be scratching the planet buster surface

[earnest flare]

considering that 200 is moon buster levels i think hed be a bit above that

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc having a PL of 3800 arguably very much grants it planet-busting

[hasty valley]

the 200 is because of roshi

[spring helm]

What

Why would 3800 be planet busting

[wheat walrus]

If we went for DBZ power levels

[hasty valley]

but the reason why i don't consider that moon busting is because

[earnest flare]

also 200 power level for moon buster would make yharon one

[wheat walrus]

200 is moon-destruction

[hasty valley]

roshi suppresses his power-level a lot which gives the scooter a false reading

[spring helm]

Ok

[hasty valley]

so its more like 1000 for moon busting

[earnest flare]

fovos is a moon buster

[hasty valley]

There's also king vegeta

[earnest flare]

why doesnt he just break out himself smh

[wheat walrus]

No he's a moonlord

[hasty valley]

let me get this straight

[wheat walrus]

Yeah

[hasty valley]

destroyed 3 planets by lifting up his fucking arm

[wheat walrus]

Yeah²

[hasty valley]

lifting up his fucking arm

[earnest flare]

yharim punched a table and caused an earthquake that one time

[wheat walrus]

Not canon

Stupid!

[spring helm]

When the hell did this happen

[hasty valley]

like ??? how the fuck are these guys able to walk on the earth or planet
without accidentally annihilating everything, you can't say "they're suppressing themselves!"

[earnest flare]

maybe the real canon was the unbearable pain i endured along the way

[hasty valley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLfhI0H_GA

idk if the other 2 are moons or planets

[spring helm]

Isn’t that filler

[hasty valley]

not confirmed

iirc

[spring helm]

Is it in the manga or not

[hasty valley]

it doesn't need to be

[wheat walrus]

Yeah consider than in Super, Goku and Beerus shake the entirety of U7, which contains the main universe (infinite), heaven (transcends time iirc), and other things

And like

[spring helm]

Bro’s feats are non-canon

[hasty valley]

wild

[wheat walrus]

That's crazy

[hasty valley]

but frieze still exists

[wheat walrus]

Cause that means Goku and Beerus' punches are 5Dimensional at least

[hasty valley]

The amount of retconning beerus power got lmfao

[spring helm]

True, frieza still exists

[hasty valley]

how many retcons was it? 2? 3?

[wheat walrus]

That too

3 at least

[hasty valley]

imagine watching gogeta turn ssb and thinking to yourself "WOW THEY MUST BE POWERFUL ENOUGH TO BEAT BEERUS NOW!"
only to get one shotted 3 seconds later

[earnest flare]

lore

[hasty valley]

anyways lets get to noxus

[wheat walrus]

Pushon you will be boiled

[spring helm]

Dragon Ball Super: Broly
“Wow you must be almost as strong as beerus”

Granola Arc:
“Goku you’re stronger than Broly now”

Also Granola arc:
Frieza one-shots goku

Also also Granola arc:
Beerus is still stronger than frieza

[earnest flare]

omnivorous person when i speak (the horror)

[wheat walrus]

The horror

Like

FINITESATFEEDDYS!!!

[earnest flare]

like fnaf yes

[hasty valley]

the theory that noxus is actively feeding on god essence and could be growing by the minute, if left unchecked could actually rival xeroc in time

[wheat walrus]

Prolly

[spring helm]

Xeroc is goated, he won’t be surpassed by some bum eating essence

[earnest flare]

yeah thats the most known theory

[spring helm]

(Ignore that Xeroc got that strong by eating auric soul)

[wheat walrus]

Bro think he Safi'jiiva 💀

[hasty valley]

tbh we didn't delve in the cosmic outerbounds in calamity

how are we so sure that fovos is the only one out there

[wheat walrus]

There's gotta be among us

[hasty valley]

a whole ass army could be out there and we'd prolly never know

[spring helm]

If you can’t see it, it doesn’t exist
Even babies know that

[earnest flare]

its so fovover...

[latent bolt]

[warm gull]

horror

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-monster-hunter-world-iceborne-safi-jiiva-pin-gif-24859813

[spring helm]

Damn

[latent bolt]

thy end is now

[hasty valley]

"Hey we just dropped lil timmy to play with this planet a few millenia ago! lets see how he is doing now-"

[wheat walrus]

Nah

[earnest flare]

anyways what if fovos is xeroc

[wheat walrus]

Safi'jiiva solos Ultrakill

🚬

[earnest flare]

think about it

have you seen both in the same room

[wheat walrus]

Nah nah

Fovos is Noxus

Legit

[warm gull]

fovos can't be xeroc silly they were im the same room during the dragon crisis

[earnest flare]

no actually noxus is moon lord's chopped off sentient legs

[wheat walrus]

Wilds !

[warm gull]

noxus is a creature from greek mythology

[earnest flare]

nuh uh

[warm gull]

prove it

[wheat walrus]

Noxus league of legends

[earnest flare]

Die.

[earnest flare]

umm

the greeks were invented by "them" to sell more globes

[warm gull]

what if nocus had a little guy that he could control like a puppet and talk through

[spring helm]

They/them

[earnest flare]

anyways what if noxus is andromeda sized like dog

[hasty valley]

i actually theorized once that dog wasn't its own identity

but a manifest of noxus

[warm gull]

yeah what if noxus was too large to fit on screen wouldn't that be crazy

[wheat walrus]

I respawn

[hasty valley]

ok but seriously though xeroc and noxus aren't expected to be as large as leviathan

if they're even gonna be added

[earnest flare]

if xeroc felt like it he could be bigger than the first iteration of andromeda

[hasty valley]

i meant in game sprite

[warm gull]

good theory you should stick to it

[hasty valley]

devs do NOT want to animate a giant sprite ever again

[latent bolt]

noxus but he is actually a bigass dude named chuckie

[spring helm]

Another worm boss

[earnest flare]

wormlamity real

[spring helm]

Make Xeroc another DoG but 15 times bigger

[warm gull]

actually literally wormlamity lore unironically

[earnest flare]

i cant believe yharim died of ligma

[spring helm]

What’s ligma

[earnest flare]

*who's ligma

[hasty valley]

how's ligma?

[warm gull]

I can't believe yharim died of lick my

[spring helm]

Yharim’s new armour has exo prisms right?

[wheat walrus]

Rigma

[earnest flare]

its stated that his armor has exotech whatever that is

[spring helm]

Just remotely activate the exo prisms to enable the exotic resonance thing

[earnest flare]

very broad unexplained term

[spring helm]

And then watch as Yharim fucking melts into unstable miracle matter

[wheat walrus]

Wym

[hasty valley]

i remember that funny thought someone gave here

when draedon's working on his armor

he just gets flung by the auric rejection cartoon style

[earnest flare]

> touch yharim's armor
> electrocuted
> shot across the room
> feel your very being disintegrate

[spring helm]

Man that’s why I said “remotely activate”

[warm gull]

rigma barusu

[spring helm]

Wait a minute

[wheat walrus]

Lol

[spring helm]

“Old Duke Lover”? No more valentines

Tragedy

[earnest flare]

you picked the worst holiday to remove

[spring helm]

Idk if that’s a good thing or bad thing

[earnest flare]

its good for me

[spring helm]

Okay

[earnest flare]

it just means my life doesnt change

thanks man

[warm gull]

the best holiday is halloween

[earnest flare]

acquire bitches? ok but what if i dont want any

[spring helm]

Aquire money

[warm gull]

I am romantically attracted to fat stacks

[earnest flare]

i am magnetically attracted to magnets please help

[calm patio]

🧲

[earnest flare]

sdlkajshfladsjf

[calm patio]

so called "metal heads" when i pull out the 🧲

[warm gull]

I wish my skeleton was made of iron so that I would be dead

[calm patio]

[earnest flare]

when ai invades the world just remember to get out your metal detector

[wheat walrus]

reminder that all of elon musk's money traveling at relativistic speeds scales higher than all of calamity mod

[spring helm]

Well yeah

That’s relativistic speeds for you

[earnest flare]

xeroc when elon musk throws the valuation of twitter when he bought it at him

[spring helm]

If I pissed at relativistic speeds I’d outscale calamity too

[wheat walrus]

debatable

[spring helm]

We’ll never know

I can’t piss that hard

[earnest flare]

if i could piss on the moon i'd scale to like, moon level

[spring helm]

Throw miracle matter at Draedon

[wheat walrus]

a liter of piss is 1kg basically

[spring helm]

I want that miracle intelligence

[earnest flare]

what if you pressed the off switch on the exo mechs

[wheat walrus]

assuming the highest end for relativistic speeds, that being 0,94 c

that's 41 megatons

of a relativistic piss beam

[hasty valley]

draedon watched doofenshmirtz way too many times to not know that trick

[wheat walrus]

outscaling basically every known nuke save for the tsar bomba

[earnest flare]

why did the soviets name their ultimate weapon after the tsar anyways

i thought they didnt like that guy

[spring helm]

Tsar just means king in Russian

[wheat walrus]

I just calculated the power of a relativistic piss beam

incredible

[spring helm]

They didn’t name it after Nicholas

[frozen zodiac]

what if they actually have one but its just excruciatingly painful to use
like that one button in storks thats surrounded by sawblades but its just the heat from the exomechs's nuclear energy output on your poor poor hand burning into a fine crispy mess

[earnest flare]

its like if i named a sword after bob

[spring helm]

Why is that the highest end

Why not 0.999

Or any higher

[wheat walrus]

pretty sure that's because I don't think anything can withstand higher

[earnest flare]

is it really a piss beam if you cant see it

[spring helm]

Okay then

[earnest flare]

anyways how high does gfb ravager scale

how much of a feat is being able to copy sand undertrail

[spring helm]

I just watched a clip of that boss

[sinful adder]

is this a thing I don't know about

gfb ravager

[spring helm]

Wtf actual undertale boss

Getfixedboi

The map modifier

[sinful adder]

yeah

I know that calamity has funny stuff for it

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[earnest flare]

id argue ravager gets the best change of any boss in gfb...

[spring helm]

I already couldn’t handle him in regular legendary

[sinful adder]

looks like brimmy is instead all of the elementals, and calclone is old supreme calamitas

ravager really is sans undertale but only the gaster blasters

[earnest flare]

you mean fandom sans

what fangame attack isnt just blasters...

[sinful adder]

lol true

[scenic olive]

miracle blight

[spring helm]

What does that even entail

[lone moss]

And I have ADHD.

[scenic olive]

if everyone is autistic then nobody is

flawless logic

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

[scenic olive]

not you again

[latent bolt]

kana...

[spring helm]

xeroc be like

[sinful adder]

cleaned it up a bit

[sinful adder]

I wonder why calamitas is so strong? You'd think some mysterious inherited power tied to an elemental, outshining all but the strongest gods, would be a more central point in the plot

[real silo]

She's smoking that zaza of annihilation

[sinful adder]

my only guess is that somehow, the brimstone elemental's powers have been siphoned into her family and passed down through their souls like some sort of all-might situation, like a more stable alternate form of the god ritual or something

she also has some exceptional power over necromancy and souls that the brimstone elemental doesn't seem directly related to

[rare spindle]

Does calamitas feel bad for using necromancy?

[real silo]

Brimmy has her brimlings which iirc are parts of her soul

[rare spindle]

Or is she just fucked up?

[real silo]

So maybe cal splits her soul for the necromancy stuff?

[sinful adder]

I think she feels a lot more bad for killing people than she does for necromancy. Like, you're not using someone's soul for it, you're just making a new creature out of corpses. It's not a person anymore once its dead, so you're not really doing anything that bad

Everything you eat is grown in dirt made from the corpses of billions of dead animals and plants (and some people)

the difference is time

[rare spindle]

Taxidermy is also a thing I guess

[real silo]

It's kind of fucked up to kill someone AND use their dead body to kill more people

[chrome kindle]

basically necromancers

[sinful adder]

Killing someone is definitely bad. Calamitas probably also doesn't like that

but you could do necromancy with bones of things that already died for other reasons

that would be no worse than making tools out of animal bones and such, I think

which people did for a long time

I would also consider it less unethical than hunting

[rare spindle]

I could ask more questions but I think I'll just wait for the dialogue rewrite

[hasty valley]

thing is

Necromancy is usually said to also have fucked up effects on the user

and the bodies brought back from this art just end up with them being brainless monsters

on the middlegrounds of alive and dead

[hasty valley]

that's one big difference ngl

[sinful adder]

knowing how magic works in calamity, this sounds to me like you're making a golem out of a corpse. You're not really reviving anything, you're making a new fucked up creature out of flesh and bones and stuff

[sinful adder]

I consider it irrelevant

not directly, anyways

[hasty valley]

Please never get into dark magic

🙏

[sinful adder]

There are plenty of other reasons to not do necromancy, of course

but ethics isn't directly one of them

reasons being:
Corpses are gross and lead to disease.
If you're going to shove a soul in something, you should make the artificial body something decent instead of a rotting corpse.
It will probably also fuck you up too

[real silo]

If it's shoving souls into something it'd be twice as fucked up

You died
Some girl takes some random fucker's soul who also died
She puts that soul in your body

[sinful adder]

I assume that animating anything is doing that. Wether its a soul of a person that already existed or a new one you made, or a piece of yours, its probably one of those

[woeful patio]

Draedon shove Yharim dead soldier soul into the mechanical trio

[delicate oak]

lore about the lunatic cultist? he doesnt have an actual lore item

[sinful adder]

If its a new one you made, you're basically making a child with magic. That would be ok as long as you put it in a good (not corpse) body and treat it well. Then you've just made a golem.

[delicate oak]

moon lord also does not have lore item, but the prelude item explains his origins

[sinful adder]

also, animals and monsters have souls in terraria/calamity

[real silo]

Leader of the dungeon's dragon cult

[sinful adder]

cultist is the guy who runs the dragon necromancy cult in the dungeon. He wants to keep the moon lord sealed because it killed a bunch of dragons and they don't know how strong it is now.

if it had recovered its strength, you would have stood no chance, even with end game gear

[delicate oak]

and then they realized moon lord were weaker

[delicate oak]

when he was summoned

[sinful adder]

well, he's dead

by that point

but the player sure is lucky the moon lord wasn't any stronger than it was

[delicate oak]

moon lord is close to xeroc or further?

[sinful adder]

given what the characters in universe knew, the player's actions were incredibly dangerous to the entire world. Kind of a foolish decision

Xeroc is the only thing stronger than the moon lord as he used to be

[mighty zenith]

moon lord when we fight him is weaker than provi

[sinful adder]

if moon lord was at full strength, only xeroc could have stopped him

[mighty zenith]

moon lord before he got chopped was the strongest thing on the planet til xeroc ascended

[delicate oak]

what about noxus? hes an interdimensional entity (from distortion)

[sinful adder]

by far. All the dragons working together couldn't beat him

[sinful adder]

probably on par with old moon lord. Maybe a little stronger but not a skilled fighter

[mighty zenith]

we really cant tell since there are like... 3 sentences talking about noxus at this point

but still extremely strong, in the overall top 3

according to devs

[real silo]

basically number 1 is xeroc and number 2 is either noxus or moon lord

[delicate oak]

how powerful was pre-ascension xeroc though?

[real silo]

I heard he was yharim level

before ascension

[delicate oak]

and i assume the light dragon zeratros was the strongest dragon?

[sinful adder]

Yharim = pre ascension xeroc = zeratros (light dragon) roughly

yeah

actually, hold on

in terms of DBZ power levels:

fovos is moon lord's name

[real silo]

Damn xeroc is jacked

[sinful adder]

noxus is basically a baby in terms of combat skill, whereas xeroc has both a ton of power and skill

[earnest flare]

note that other lorewriters have disagreed with this

this is merely cei's opinion

dont take it as fact

[delicate oak]

if thats true, then nappa from dbz could solo all of calamity

[spare pier]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

correct

[delicate oak]

but not all at once i guess

[spare pier]

He can

[mighty zenith]

saiyan saga yamcha can solo calamity

[spare pier]

Ok not that much

[earnest flare]

rebecca i have a very important question

[mighty zenith]

[earnest flare]

why does auric reject golf

[spare pier]

It's funny

[earnest flare]

lorewise...

[real silo]

because golf is fucking stupid

[delicate oak]

because its not worthy

or maybe a chemical reaction

[mighty zenith]

golfers getting rejected to the moon after touching auric ore because golf is fucking stupid

[earnest flare]

😭

[spare pier]

Like, if the entirety of the Cal universe banded together and had the one year time prep for the Saiyan invasion and did some really goofy shit to get stronger

They could maybe beat Nappa with extreme effort

Vegeta not in a million years

[delicate oak]

what if xeroc got betrayed and locked in time chamber?

[sinful adder]

Draedon could do it if he had like a thousand years of prep time, I think. That's kind of his whole thing.

[spring helm]

Just thought about something for the Starlight (sword you get from Empress of Light)

It is notably one of the fastest attacking melee weapons in vanilla, so here’s my headcanon lore for It in Calamity.

Empress of Light according to Yharim leaches off Primordial Light. Not to say that PL is the only thing it can use, but it is a significant source of strength.

The Starlight sword is able to attack so quickly because, like Xeroc in boss rush, it uses primordial light to create copies of your attacks and layers them over one another.

[woeful patio]

Bro is not batman

[earnest flare]

fajita vs 10 million exo mechs...

[delicate oak]

only if he has so much materials

what if draedon used all of terraria's materials? how strong would the creation would be?

[earnest flare]

anyways 1 million lions vs one of every calamity enemy

who wins

[sinful adder]

The power of science is only limited by the universe itself, given enough time

[woeful patio]

True

[earnest flare]

even 1 spongebob solos calamity

[delicate oak]

how powerful would rayquaza be if compared to calamity characters?

[sinful adder]

pokemon has really inconsisitient power

[earnest flare]

umm

[sinful adder]

so we can't really say

[earnest flare]

rayquaza destroyed an asteroid that one time

thats his singular consistent feat

[rotund shore]

Rayquaza is frankly insanely powerful

Plus we can also mention it’s mega evo

[latent bolt]

how many spongebobs would it take to body xeroc

[earnest flare]

so like

[sinful adder]

A lot of it is, but some of it is reasonable. It just stops being reasonable past planet level, usually.

[rotund shore]

Like, 4?

[earnest flare]

i think xeroc vs rayquaza wouldnt really be too one-sided

[latent bolt]

OI

[rotund shore]

Do you know what r34 means? Of course there is, unfortunately

[delicate oak]

who even invented power scaling? why would someonme want goku to outscale a random isekai character whos written to be overpowered?

[rotund shore]

The very definition of r34 would imply that it does exist

[earnest flare]

by chance do you use reddit

[delicate oak]

nissan gtr r34

[earnest flare]

based country

[sinful adder]

people want to compare fictional characters

[rotund shore]

Maybe 2 or 3 SpongeBob is goated

[earnest flare]

not based nvm

[sinful adder]

they're joking I think

[woeful patio]

[sinful adder]

anyways, no. THis doesn't exist.

[latent bolt]

bro is going to get nuked by the next mod that appears

[calm patio]

bruh

[delicate oak]

"uhmm actually this 6 year old girl from a children's cartoon can beat your ascended god of everything from a well written series because she can [insert nonsense stuff here]"

[rotund shore]

Chat what would yharims favorite pizza topping be

[delicate oak]

mango

[calm patio]

potato

obviously

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't

[woeful patio]

Honey

He likes bees

[rotund shore]

Well the bees would sue him for the humans using their honey
Wait this isn’t the bee movie

[cloud ibex]

i think you should do community service for your crimes

[earnest flare]

im convinced that the writers of kirby just want to fuck over powerscalers by putting him against a god he kills with ease one game and a guy who's planetary level gives him trouble the next game

theres also sans undertale he fucks over powerscalers real bad

[cloud ibex]

i can beat xeroc because xeroc isn't real and i am

[stoic lark]

god i love this server

[cloud ibex]

[woeful patio]

die!

[cloud ibex]

i think they should beat you with hammers

[rotund shore]

Can I just say the plot of the bee movie is stupid, the relationship between bees and beekeepers are fairly symbiotic, let them take honey in exchange for housing

Anyways lore

[sinful adder]

Different people involved in kirby have put him at wildly different power levels. Sometimes he's a god and sometimes he's a little flying amoeba

[earnest flare]

people genuinely be like "ok so like what if the judgement hall is a domain expansion that forces people to play by undertale rules"

[rotund shore]

Never cook again.

[wheat walrus]

Rayquaza solos lol

[earnest flare]

aw damn omni entered the chat i cant talk shit about powerscaling 😭

[wheat walrus]

That asteroid was gonna blow up the planet

[cloud ibex]

i can

[sinful adder]

It is not a completely unreasonable argument that in order to depict sans' character accurately, you have to allow him to mess with the rules of whatever medium he exists in.

[wheat walrus]

The alpha shuts up when the sigma roars

🧌

[delicate oak]

what will draedon's reaction would be is he discovers shimmer?

[calm patio]

Omni, alone. the chosen one

[sinful adder]

he probably already knows about it. Neat magic thing, useful for transmutation of resources.

[cloud ibex]

he would go "...fascinating." and start studying it

[latent bolt]

[stoic lark]

oh dw i'm on it

[earnest flare]

ok time to talk shit about powerscaling

[cloud ibex]

🙏

[wheat walrus]

Na

[latent bolt]

thank you fluffy's alt account

[delicate oak]

what if he accidentally touched shimmer?

[cloud ibex]

he would fall through the ground ig

[earnest flare]

people fr analyzing the smallest of things and being like "this thing traveled faster than light" when the guys just needed a scene to not take 2 minutes

[rotund shore]

Would draedons scout body be shimmered into its materials if it fell in?

[wheat walrus]

What even is this supposed to mean though

[earnest flare]

where did appreciating the thing that goes on because its cool go...

[woeful patio]

That would be a funny Easter egg

[wheat walrus]

It's still there

[earnest flare]

nah man in order to appreciate a significant moment you have to first precisely calculate how cool it was and then going "this thing could've destroyed x"

[wheat walrus]

[wheat walrus]

Who said that

[earnest flare]

and only then can it be said that its actually quite weak compared to goku actually

[latent bolt]

draedon when his goofy ass gets decrafted from touching shimmer

[wheat walrus]

If you're gonna shit on powerscaling then do it right, there's lots of stuff that can be shat on

[wheat walrus]

[earnest flare]

counterpoint

you also do powerscaling

[wheat walrus]

Yes and

I still shit on parts that I dislike

[sinful adder]

Probably

[earnest flare]

anyways yeah i find it based when the writers of something just fuck over powerscalers

[wheat walrus]

[earnest flare]

seeing people desperately attempt to powerscale sans undertale and attempting to justify him losing to a child is peak comedy

[wheat walrus]

You don't even know how to fuck over powerscalers

[sinful adder]

A lot of times, it's not deliberate, the writers just don't realize the physical implications of things they write

[earnest flare]

idk man you always seem mildly angry when i use terraria damage numbers to scale things instead of using feats

[sinful adder]

It's not really that hard. There's magic, time travel, and RPG rules involved.

[wheat walrus]

What

I just tell you it's wrong lol

Besides I was talking from a writing perspective

[delicate oak]

some people will go as far as "my goblin from a fantasy anime's universe is bigger (even though there are nothing that says so) than your god from a anime with a powerful cosmology (explained in the story itself)!" just to make their favorite character/verse to be able to solo all fiction because of their delusional thoughts

[earnest flare]

from a writing perspective anyone could win any fight

[wheat walrus]

Ew cosmology measuring competitions

[earnest flare]

because something something the winner is who the writer wants to

[wheat walrus]

Who said otherwise

Aw man pushron ain't cooking 😭

[earnest flare]

i swear i heard it somewhere

[delicate oak]

and some doesnt even read the opposing verse' story, so they think their verse is the strongest

they just argue without researching

[wheat walrus]

The writer being the one who decides the winner changes basically nothing about powerscaling

[earnest flare]

theres really no point in using objective measurements when you only intend to compare things in the same verse

[wheat walrus]

What does that have to do with what I'm sayin

The reason I do calcs is to understand how powerful the verse is for people who wanna compare it to other verses

Brb

[earnest flare]

ok but because i dont like powerscaling i can use in-universe ways of measurement

[delicate oak]

btw its almost impossible to win an argument against stupid and delusional people

[earnest flare]

rude

also yes the key to winning any internet argument is to be relentlessly stubborn and unchanging

[stoic lark]

no the key to winning arguments is ban perms :3

[earnest flare]

sad

[hushed geyser]

Weak man's power

The real power is being dumb

[delicate oak]

sometimes they try to change the argument to be personal (they are not talking about which character is stronger, they are not calling each other horrible words)

[sinful adder]

Cosmology measuring is the part that I think is actually complete bullshit

[wheat walrus]

So that quite literally isn't shitting on powerscaling lol

[hushed geyser]

Powrscaling is ass

[wheat walrus]

Anything past the multiverse level is bs imo

[hushed geyser]

By most poeescaling logic

Goku < heart virus

[wheat walrus]

Like I still do it if I need to but I dislike things

[hushed geyser]

Heart doctor > heart virus

Heart doctor > goku

[sinful adder]

Anything FTL is BS and displays a complete misunderstanding of physics

[hushed geyser]

That's powerscaling logic

[wheat walrus]

Eh I give it a pass since it's fiction we're measuring

[sinful adder]

Not necessarily

[wheat walrus]

That's not though

[earnest flare]

seeing faster than light stuff being scaled really infuriates me because my brother in christ we wouldnt be able to see it if it was truly FTL

[hushed geyser]

Okay but heart doctor beat heart virus

And heart virus beat goku

[scenic olive]

i hate ftl

mftl

what does that mean

[hushed geyser]

You can't scale ftl cus it isn't possible

[earnest flare]

its kinda just that sometimes being faster than light is kinda required to kepe people engaged in a piece of media

[sinful adder]

They have that bullshit dimensional scaling nonsense. This kind of thing assumes every kind of dimension is equivalent to every other. This is impossible.

[earnest flare]

90% of the time faster than light stuff isnt MEANT to be faster than light

[wheat walrus]

Heart virus is a disease, a human can die by a disease but that doesn't mean that the doctor who cures the disease is stronger than the strongest man who's ever had the heart disease

[earnest flare]

its just that the speed of light is quite slow on a cosmic scale and things need to move fast in a story

[scenic olive]

ok but what if the doctor is a robot

[hushed geyser]

Okay but what about Henry who survived the heart virus

Goku didn't so

[sinful adder]

You can actually make it reasonable if you understand relativity better. You can travel a light year in less than a year, but only from your perspective, not from an outside perspective.

[hushed geyser]

Henry beats goku wtf

[wheat walrus]

The heart virus didn't just beat up Goku nor Henry and defeat them in an actual fight man

[hushed geyser]

Proof

[sinful adder]

Stop making up bullshit strawman arguments please

[wheat walrus]

The virus doesn't have a punch that can damage either

[delicate oak]

yeah i would rather have "my king of some kingdom can beat your pirate captain because the king is more experienced, and more armored" than "this reality manipulating god can beat your god of space because his cosmology is stronger than yours"

[earnest flare]

a physically accurate teleportation ability would just be the superpower to control quantum tunneling but thats dumb

[hushed geyser]

Them virus cells beating those white blood cells idk man

[wheat walrus]

[sinful adder]

Please shut up

[scenic olive]

Someone get this man a biology lesson

[hushed geyser]

No

I'll be confidently incorrect please

[earnest flare]

wtf im not even being dogpiled on...

[hushed geyser]

Yeah cus I'm dumber

[earnest flare]

...

wow

[hushed geyser]

The dumbest always wins

[sinful adder]

Ok that's enough lore chat for tonight, I hope you're happy asshole

[mighty zenith]

pooperscaling

[scenic olive]

my brain reading this conversation

[hushed geyser]

Kid goku broke the manga panel he's like

Infinite 4th wall break omega power

Or did he rebound off it

I forgot

[earnest flare]

ok anyways how does moon lord turn the sky pitch black with all light being absorbed

[delicate oak]

and gohan beast's hair broke the mange panel (which is from a fake screenshot)

[hushed geyser]

El hermanos head did this

Easy feat

[wheat walrus]

Fulgur Anjanath solos

[hushed geyser]

El hermano clears fiction

[scenic olive]

El gato

[delicate oak]

the player is hallucinating i think

[scenic olive]

he solos all^

[sudden ruin]

true

el gato

[hushed geyser]

My oc I just made solos all fiction ever made and that will ever be made

[earnest flare]

i mean thats what the pillars very clearly do but umm
the moon lord's chat message is just impending doom

and unlike the pillars you see black no matter where you go

[sudden ruin]

maybe hes blocking out the sun and moon

he so buig

[earnest flare]

last time i tried to look into whats going on i figured that maybe he absorbed all light from the atmosphere

and somehow it lined up with omni's actual scaling???

[earnest flare]

absorbing all light from everything in the sky would be even crazier

[sudden ruin]

i bet he ccould hes moon lornd

[scenic olive]

Is it true that when you move at light speed everything is blue shifted in front you

[sudden ruin]

i dont think anyone here would know the answer to that

[earnest flare]

ok so apparently that would get weakened moon lord to continent level

[scenic olive]

you out of like the superpowers that doesnt make sense for me

its supermans