Compared to a person
#lore-discussion
buoyant inlet
scenic olive
it would be funny if he lost to slime god because he ate too much
glacial rampart
hasty dragon
Guys I found this weird big cosmic worm in my yard
He’s asking to make a deal with me
What do I do?
woeful patio
Feed him godly essence
maiden girder
What even is wulfrum and who made it all lore I found about the machines and the weapons made from the stuff say nothing about who made it all I know is that the many forces against yharim probably used it
mighty zenith
there's no concrete answer on who made it, just that their creator was against yharim
they're really not that important, they're quite primitive robots just meant to be disruptive to wandering soldiers
maiden girder
||who is the traitor mentioned in the exo mechs lore item||
hoary berry
the god of primordial light
maiden girder
Yep I assumed
Xeroc
The hungry fellow
Guy just wanted to eat a soul
And those soul fragments look nice so
I get it
hoary berry
we don't at all know if xeroc really is a traitor who betrayed zeratros, or if they only acted in accordance with zeratros' wishes
hasty dragon
The dragons look yummy
hoary berry
we can't really trust yharim here because he's tied for the most biased person against xeroc we know of
mighty zenith
our only source for it now is an extremely biased asshole (yharon)
maiden girder
I wonder
hoary berry
i'm really bad at typing today ngl
maiden girder
Was there a god who hated the others
mighty zenith
well
hoary berry
gods aren't one big faction or anything
hasty dragon
I understand why xeroc SUCCed zeratos
mighty zenith
it's possible xeroc regrets what they caused
also you've got providence wanting everyone dead so
frozen zodiac
What even is wulfrum and who made it all lore I found about the machines and the...
John Wulfrum ||Wagstaff from Don't Starve|| 
mighty zenith
i guess that counts
maiden girder
Yeah does xeroc still hold power so
hasty dragon
I understand why xeroc SUCCed zeratos
Cuz it looks yummy
calm patio
John Wulfrum ||Wagstaff from Don't Starve|| <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
He isnt real
wake up
frozen zodiac
HE IS REAL TO ME
woeful patio
But.. but John Calamity?
maiden girder
we're not killing them
I know
calm patio
HE IS REAL TO ME
Your Feelings For Him Are Not Real
maiden girder
But even then xeroc seems to hold some form of honour unlike the others
frozen zodiac
xeroc is capital G God now right
calm patio
no
hoary berry
xeroc is capital G God now right
no
calm patio
lower case
mighty zenith
nope
hoary berry
the first god, but not the creator
maiden girder
Xeroc might fight us for a bit of a laugh
Give us some stuff and leave
Because xeroc is ancient and probably quite bored
frozen zodiac
"good job, you got me to use more than 5% of my power, just go now, take this item and leave, come on, shoo"
maiden girder
If the inevitable yharim boss spawns a town npc after getting beaten
If there’s a xeroc boss
After that boss I just want all interactions with yharim to be complete and utter rage
frozen zodiac
If the inevitable yharim boss spawns a town npc after getting beaten
WE ARE KILLING HIM, HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO LIVE AFTER ALL THE SHIT HE DID
hoary berry
yharim will die in the fight
maiden girder
yharim will die in the fight
And spawn a friendly version of his boss and then immediately gets slapped away
frozen zodiac
you do not let a tyrant that literally killed the essential gods of the world live after leaving the world a complete mess
maiden girder
Xeroc just gives yharim a fucking backhand
mighty zenith
i hate my brain sometimes
hoary berry
if plans change drastically and yharim lives i will make a mod to kill him myself
maiden girder
The yharim backhand will happen
frozen zodiac
<:v1thumbsup:1142662093670195320>
good job you caught all the fish
maiden girder
No matter the cost
frozen zodiac
you missed the size 2
frozen zodiac
the size 2 is out there
maiden girder
I drank all the crate potions
trim edge
you do not let a tyrant that literally killed the essential gods of the world li...
don't think the gods are essential?
maiden girder
They just leave a mess post death
frozen zodiac
i mean siiva and maybe some other one i was just saying he doesnt deserve a second chance
maiden girder
Silva is a barely alive god in the abyss
Idk if the abyss is Silva now or she is floating around like the god version of a geriatric
My plot didn’t go to plan anyway
I tried draining the abyss
I accidentally drained the ocean on that run anyway
celest kettle
Silvia
hoary berry
he doesn't really have all that much guilt
frozen zodiac
he will be decapitated sliced one thousand times shoved into a meatgrinder thrown into a black hole and more
hoary berry
I want to buy stuff from the guy ok
tbf i would like to know where he got that wig from
maiden girder
He wasn’t very happy with the dragons getting eaten to extinction so
I understand the havoc he caused
frozen zodiac
me decapitating yharim but realizing i have to take out his gross head from his helmet (i want his helmet and armor as vanity)
maiden girder
He is a very very specific environmentalist
And at least he wasn’t happy with draedon or somethings plague
split mortar
He wasn’t due to it being like how cruel gods control others
maiden girder
He didn’t want to eat a egg I guess
mighty zenith
And at least he wasn’t happy with draedon or somethings plague
he then proceeded to make things worse by releasing pbg
and did absolutely nothing about it
maiden girder
pgb?
mighty zenith
plaguebringer goliath
split mortar
Plague bringer Goliath
maiden girder
Should of killed draedon on the spot
split mortar
Killing draedon js like killing the current plague without the off switch, too much too everywhere
And as long as one body remains healthy can come back probably quickly
mighty zenith
good question
maiden girder
Because a star borne hive mind
mighty zenith
aureus' design is pretty damn weird so
maiden girder
Definitely would modify some big ass robot
mighty zenith
i cant really imagine a non-infected one
maiden girder
It’s def modified
mighty zenith
i definitely think there wouldnt be fire
split mortar
Def no flames
frozen zodiac
why do all of draedon's weapons look so rusty
mighty zenith
the legs would also definitely be more metallic
maiden girder
the legs would also definitely be more metallic
Less fleshy
split mortar
why do all of draedon's weapons look so rusty
Cause the ones we find and use are all uncared for
mighty zenith
they're like the only thing that looks organic
split mortar
Except for Exo tech he doesn’t care that much about the other tech
mighty zenith
aureus will get a redesign anyway since
well, the sprite is amazing but the design is all over the place
maiden girder
Aureus is def more than steel circuitry and silicone
split mortar
Cause Exo tech is just utterly beyond all other tech he made
frozen zodiac
Less fleshy
send mechanical stomper into astral infection
look inside a week later
writhing mechanical flesh
maiden girder
Mana and flesh
split mortar
Probably no gem eye things either
maiden girder
>send mechanical stomper into astral infection
>look inside a week later
>**writ...
That’s what you get for sending a robot into a Eldritch blight
split mortar
Or the astral blue spikes with the fire
maiden girder
I would love to fight regular aureus robots
mighty zenith
Probably no gem eye things either
eh, i think those would stay, maybe except on the legs
maiden girder
Maybe a land mini boss
mighty zenith
also probably the colors would just be different, since the ones aureus has are the two main astral colors
blue and orange
split mortar
eh, i think those would stay, maybe except on the legs
Maybe they’re cameras changed into the weird astral gems
maiden girder
The infection needs more than mechanical parts to see so makes sense
mighty zenith
like the ones on the bottom of the legs are definitely not from the uninfected design
maiden girder
It is a hive after all
mighty zenith
but the rest could be feasible as potentially scanners
split mortar
Yeah
mighty zenith
since like
aureus' sprite in-game definitely doesn't reflect how he actually looks
his legs probably look more like metagross in an X-pattern
maiden girder
And dues or whatever it’s spelled is another worm boss
celest kettle
The aureus is flesh and metal now
Where that flesh come from
maiden girder
Where that flesh come from
Infected flesh merging with aureus
celest kettle
Its not like the infection can grow meat or smth
mighty zenith
i dont think its flesh, rather just physical manifestations of mana
celest kettle
It ain't crimson
maiden girder
Either way aureus is buggered beyond repair
split mortar
Maybe it’s just how the astral looks
maiden girder
Wait I got a idea
frozen zodiac
anyways uhh astrum deus whats their lore
maiden girder
Hard mode infected draedon tech for the corruption and crimson
maiden girder
anyways uhh astrum deus whats their lore
Ate stars and then got space salmonella
mighty zenith
anyways uhh astrum deus whats their lore
creature from space that eats dying stars and births new ones, so that they don't bloat and turn into the astral
unfortunately it didn't get to one fast enough and it managed to get infected
split mortar
Deus is just space worm that eats stars before they become infected, ate a infected one and chucked it at earth and got controlled
Also possibly a species
frozen zodiac
Deus is just space worm that eats stars before they become infected, ate a infec...
PTOOEY
maiden girder
Yeah one worm doesn’t make sense
Some guy going space worm your the only one tasked with this important and quite Herculean task
Welp I’m gonna go
Cya guys
Discuss lore
split mortar
Bye
mighty zenith
bye bye
split mortar
What would a not infected deus look like?
frozen zodiac
is deus infected though?
split mortar
Yeah
mighty zenith
yea it is
split mortar
That’s the entire reason it fights us, controlled to protect the astral star
stark basalt
mighty zenith
deus doesnt seem to be mutated though
split mortar
We uninfect it
hoary berry
the current deus design does not fit how i envision it at all, so i can't properly put my mind to work imagining a non-infected version of the in-game sprite
mighty zenith
yeah
split mortar
Ah ok
mighty zenith
the astral bosses just need a redesign to fit into the
"mutated extraterrestrial monstrosity" thing
split mortar
Yeah
frozen zodiac
yharim you mf you literally say the worm is doing the world a favor by eating dying stars and you're still saying its a piece of shit that needs to die?
split mortar
He does say it needs to die?
He litteraly says thankfully it’s likely not truly dead
It ain’t an actual god so his super racism doesn’t activate
frozen zodiac
"kill the bastards"
split mortar
Where that said
maiden girder
I feel like xeroc is technically the monk and the dragon the monk took the soul from I forgot the name
split mortar
Zeratros
pliant ruin
Yharim dosen't hate astrum deus
nobody hates astrum deus
astrum deus is a friend to all
everyone loves the space worm
mighty zenith
scrungly
maiden girder
Zeratros and whatever Xerocs name was are probably the same thing now
frozen zodiac
i want an astrum deus plush
pliant ruin
legit not a single character in the lore expresses any form of disdain to deus and its one of the ONLY two bosses you actually actively spare
maiden girder
They are one now
pliant ruin
this worm is literally just a friend
split mortar
Pretty sure all gods are “technically” both since they absorb the soul and become stronger, though the one in control is def the monk
stark basalt
split mortar
That’s not how the ascension ritual works I’m pretty sure
maiden girder
And it would be hilarious to see yharim get a history lesson from xeroc
buoyant inlet
Speaking of astrum Deus I drew a little interpretation of it and its life stages
All big sketch
As you can see
pliant ruin
i like to headcanon that xeroc gets a little zeratros ghost only they can see following them around
buoyant inlet
Deus represents a life of a real star
pliant ruin
it's silly
split mortar
Otherwise I’m sure Xeroc would have explained it at some point that it’s basically both dragons and monk
frozen zodiac
SCUG
split mortar
Deus represents a life of a real star
How?
buoyant inlet
Astrum Deus that got infected was at supernova stage of its life
mighty zenith
Speaking of astrum Deus I drew a little interpretation of it and its life stages
make pebbles a baby deus
buoyant inlet
Nah
maiden girder
Xeroc might of done it differently somehow
Perhaps the other gods did it worse somehow
split mortar
He did get a perfect ascension but we know silva did aswell and they stayed the elemental not some fusion
buoyant inlet
And their pups look like proto stars
split mortar
Is this official?
split mortar
Still cool
split mortar
Yeah
split mortar
Surely it is, it was gone for a while yet no other stars are infected
buoyant inlet
Baby deuses are defenceless and vulnerable so they glue asteroids and comets together into shells
split mortar
I’m going to side with draedon saying it’s a species
hoary berry
same
hoary berry
no one is denying that
pliant ruin
i'm smarter than him
frozen zodiac
Baby deuses are defenceless and vulnerable so they glue asteroids and comets tog...
i read this as "they eat glue" somehow
pliant ruin
i'm denying it
hoary berry
but genius =/= infallible
pliant ruin
i think he's stupid. compared to Me
split mortar
but genius =/= infallible
But he is likely the most infallible on this topic over any other source
buoyant inlet
I'm stupid compared to a sea slug
split mortar
Unless xeroc or noxus know
split mortar
I'm stupid compared to a sea slug
Who isn’t
pliant ruin
me
buoyant inlet
Me
pliant ruin
because i'm really smart
pliant ruin
But he is likely the most infallible on this topic over any other source
according to devs permafrost might have smth to say about it once he gets some love from the dialogue department
split mortar
Oh nice
buoyant inlet
Either way I'll be leaving now into my little break from cal servers (I just wanted to show my art)
split mortar
Aight bye
pliant ruin
byebye
buoyant inlet
Good bye lore discussion throudon is out
pliant ruin
hope you enjoy ur break 
buoyant inlet
For 6,99 bucks per ticket
amber cedar
whats dragon soul bond called again
hoary berry
attunement
we perform mock attunement to allow us to use auric bars by making use of fragments of yharon's auric soul
split mortar
This also means if yharon punches us we could go flying far
wheat walrus
languid badge
what did draedon do
wheat walrus
he infected bees with the plague
earnest flare
cant believe draedon was cancelled
trim edge
he's draedone
potent moat
Ok so since azafure is where the industrial revolution began in azafure does that makes azafure the equivalent of great britain. So in conclusión calamitas is british.
potent moat
Make sense
earnest flare
hating the british is based iirc
potent moat
IS NOT BRITISH.
Can't run from the truth
sly bloom
Doesn't she have a British accent in the DM Dokuro theme video
earnest flare
thats literally what i said
sly bloom
I may be stupid
mighty zenith
frozen zodiac
i still want to hold my headcanon voice that makes dog british because i imagine him having Metal Face's voice from xenoblade 1
hoary berry
hating the british is based iirc
strange stump
you made this, right?
wheat walrus
Na
rotund shore
Headcanon, permafrost is british and calamitas got her accent from him
permafrost gives off british vibes
magic epoch
Polite British but yes
spring helm
i think it would be really funny if calamitas had a cockney accent
frozen zodiac
question
why is INFESTATION in a part of Clone Calamitas's theme
is it supposed to be a semi-direct allusion to her guilt of burning down Ilmeris or did DM just choose an iconic calamity song and put it in
as in "her" guilt i mean actual Calamitas's guilt maybe Clone Cal being a Clone led to her also having severe trauma and guilt from the real witch
split mortar
Clone did go insane form her power so maybe idk?
urban hedge
I mean, pretty sure she has 0 connection to Perforators, hive mind, Slime God, or the Aquatic Scourge but iirc all of their songs have some kind of leitmotif used in cal clones song
iirc it was done that way to make it feel something like a culmination of everything you've done or feel like a false ending or something along those lines
I'm not sure
rotund shore
yeah its usage of all the leitmotifs it does is mostly for the sake of feeling climatic
split mortar
Certainly does feel climactic
jaunty wraith
Isn't cal clone meant to be the final boss of early hard mode? Since she has a song playing after you beat her
pliant ruin
question
why is *INFESTATION* in a part of Clone Calamitas's theme
is it suppose...
Doubt it
It's just haha a buch of boss themes from before
jaunty wraith
Think yharim will have similar idea. Being a collection of motiefs for the second half of the game
frozen zodiac
Isn't cal clone meant to be the final boss of early hard mode? Since she has a s...
i have heard people describe cal clone as the real entry into hard mode so that would check out
jaunty wraith
It's also at the half way point through the game
hoary berry
okay i'm literally addicted to this song
pliant ruin
fattyu
untold bluff
Does draedon play video games perchance? (serious question)
Or has he at least made some
I mean, the lab workers need some form of entertainment
rotund shore
I don’t think video games really exist yet
untold bluff
I'm sure video entertainment at least exists
rotund shore
He invents autism, and then subsequently stuff to hyperfixate on
Do trains exist yet?
real silo
excavators are kinda trains
woeful patio
Draedon probably makes video game just for improving his robot AI
real silo
Draedon designed a boss fight irl
split mortar
Draedon might make a video game just to see how well he can simulate the world or something
real silo
Draedon's favourite games are cad softwares
rotund shore
Conspiracy theory, the game terraria is just a simulation of the world that draedon made
stark basalt
spring helm
there are rails
so perhaps the more technologically advanced parts of the world (just draedon mostly) would have trains
spring helm
they were industrialized
it wouldn't be too much of a stretch, especially since trains are good at transporting the necessary materials for industry
unless they used magic, but i'm not sure how involved magic is in Calamity's technological evolution
ionic harness
This is the world building I need
split mortar
unless they used magic, but i'm not sure how involved magic is in Calamity's tec...
I’d say that except for blatantly normal things (like a normal minecart) almost all tech is magical in some way
Like I doubt one scrap can be turned into 40 scaffold blocks with just tech
ionic harness
Magical crafting
spring helm
well now you're crossing into the line of gameplay vs lore
ionic harness
The ui is what the terrarian sees when crafting
split mortar
The ui is what the terrarian sees when crafting
Maybe for ancient Manipulator and draedons forge but not for anything else
Unless you decide otherwise
spring helm
an iron sword takes 8 ingots to craft, which is a bit much
split mortar
Maybe a bar being 2 foot cube isn’t exactly accurate to canon
That or it’s us making mistakes and getting a usable sword at the end (but then how can we make anything of draedons if not a basic wood sword)
spring helm
well for that Draedon's Forge can be said to be doing a lot of heavy lifting
split mortar
What about miracle matter weapons which would not be defined in its database ?
split mortar
Hello
split mortar
We’re discussing magic and tech
sinful adder
an iron sword takes 8 ingots to craft, which is a bit much
An ingot can be basically any size. At most it is like the size of a brick
split mortar
Granted a sword we use is like 2.5 metres long so they def ain’t normal sized swords
spring helm
terrarian is so bad at refining ore that the ingots are the size of school erasers
sinful adder
Also, the swords in terraria are the size of a- yeah
split mortar
I think except for basic early game tech most of the tech we use has some form of magic in it
Hellforge using magic to reach higher temps as an example and the titanium adamantite forges being us refining the forges as examples
I wonder if Exo prisms fall under tech, magic or mix of both
spring helm
it's kinda crazy how pretty much any schmuck could make their own psuedo Draedon Forge if they got a hold of some exo prisms
not like you could get those easily but
split mortar
If you did it would be easy
I wonder if us making miracle matter just looked like us putting some random things in the crafting part and pressing craft and then boom scientific discovery
Wait would us naming the Exo blade the Exo blade when it’s passed Exo and is miracle matter give draedon more confusion like the mech bosses did
spring helm
the terrarian couldnt come up with a better name
since iridescent excalibur is now a miracle weapon too, we can say that they ran out of cool sword names
real silo
I wonder if us making miracle matter just looked like us putting some random thi...
This is exactly what it is
frozen zodiac
an iron sword takes 8 ingots to craft, which is a bit much
tony stark forging his first suit with a hammer gif
untold bluff
Draedon might make a video game just to see how well he can simulate the world o...
the sims
split mortar
Sims with rtx
spring helm
now that i think about it, neither cosmilite nor luminite are used in making miracle matter
i wonder why
spring helm
my mouse broke so i couldnt use mspaint for this one
the terrarian inventing stable miracle matter
scenic olive
miracle mattress
spring helm
sleep in a bed of material that will dissasemble you on the molecular level
scenic olive
draedon, i need me a bed that makes me automatically find the long side of the blanket
ionic harness
not everything being super detailed aside from the hand
spring helm
hands are hard to draw
night barn
the hand looks accurate i think
sleek panther
Crucial lore question: does anahita not have a mouth or is that just how the sprite looks
sleek panther
True
barren sonnet
ah, i forgot about the emojis
spring helm
i thought the ??? bait sang ngl
north wigeon
that's just anahita in a disguise or something
it's just anahita and levi in a trench coat
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1231288256423792740.gif?size=48
a very huge and bulging trench coat
visual bane
a suspiciously leviathan shaped trenchcoat
delicate oak
what if yharim existed in real life and he has an army?
sinful adder
He wouldn't do anything because there aren't any real gods
north wigeon
can yharim wipe out mostly-US Christianity please
calm patio
He wouldn't do anything because there aren't any real gods
however, people pray to their religious Gods
so, most likely yharim would do somethin
rotund shore
He’d just be a really diehard atheist with an army
sinful adder
Yeah I guess. I still think he'd lose if he tried anything, because he's not stopping a real life nuke
Not even calamitas could do that
lone moss
Not even calamitas could do that
Neither would Draedon's creations, because however "indestructible" the armor plating is to any weaponry imaginable, wielded by Terrarian, I doubt it can survive a direct hit from 1+ MT thermonuclear device.
It's not surviving an environment equivalent of IRL star's core, sorry.
thick slate
we already had the nuke convo
yharim and everyone below dies
everyone above lives i think
xeroc tanks a nuke ez
earnest flare
actually nobody tanks a nuke even the weakest nukes ever made deal millions of terraria damage
the strongest dealing trillions
thick slate
xeroc does tho..
thick slate
idk lore dev said it
earnest flare
ok but mathematically the loredev was wrong
due to coding restrictions involving the integer limit i dont think any boss could tank the average nuke
thick slate
why does a nuke deal trillions of damage
thick slate
on a direct impact
warm gull
why does a nuke deal trillions of damage
because I want it to
thick slate
i dont think xeroc would let a nuke directly impact him
earnest flare
on a direct impact
we're asking if bosses can tank a nuke not survive one
sly bloom
Go-go gadget hypersonic missile
thick slate
we're asking if bosses can tank a nuke not survive one
mb used the wrong wording
warm gull
i dont think xeroc would let a nuke directly impact him
I wouldn't let him not let it impact him
thick slate
fair
warm gull
he doesn't have my permission to dodge
earnest flare
in terms of an indirect hit i think a large amount of the bosses could survive
depending on how far away they are
though the only instances of nuking people and having them survive took place before the hydrogen bomb
sly bloom
This discussion happened in the past lmao
thick slate
yea i said this
delicate oak
do i need to tap the sign again
does that account the boss' defense and damage reduction?
earnest flare
This discussion happened in the past lmao
its happened so many times i had to dig up a document doing math in order to give irrefutable proof
thick slate
does that account the boss' defense and damage reduction?
boss doesnt exist
earnest flare
thing is years old
ionic harness
omni moment
sly bloom
its happened so many times i had to dig up a document doing math in order to giv...
The document's more game mechanics than lore though
earnest flare
though oddly enough the nuke damage calc was first shared by cei of all people
not sure if it was before they became a dev or not but if it was far before the rewrite anyways
quite odd
earnest flare
The document's more game mechanics than lore though
nuclear bomb lore:
gauss nuke (ares)
plague nuke (pbg)
no hydrogen bombs exist in calamity
theres your nuclear bomb lore
earnest flare
its not like theres any way to prove that nuclear fission can occur in cal anyways
sly bloom
There's a bestiary entry that mentions Draedon using nuclear power
But if that's comparable to real-world fission and fusion is debatable
earnest flare
ok well yeah i guess the acid rain does prove that fission is plausible
the nuclear enemies...
sly bloom
earnest flare
as for the hydrogen bomb it is probably possible to make
cobalt can be used to set off the atomic bomb required for the hydrogen bomb to detonate
sly bloom
Make a cobalt bomb, kill all life on the planet to spite Draedon
earnest flare
uranium being required to make a nuke is really just not true
plutonium bombs did exist for a time but cobalt also works though never proven because uranium is just better
so like
yeah
irl nukes could be made in cal
sly bloom
Plutonium does exist in Calamity lore
earnest flare
considering that that is a sulphuric sea entry i think draedon has used it at one point
is it possible that he just failed to make the bomb work
sly bloom
Combined with the Gamma Slime entry, it makes sense
Also Draedon probably isn't fond of a high-power nuke that can so thoroughly damage the environment
earnest flare
i mean yeah i guess
sly bloom
He mentions that he has no intent to irreversibly damage the planet or its life or whatever
earnest flare
good guy draedon with the morality!
real silo
That's the whole reason I think
sly bloom
Science is all the morals you need
real silo
Why bother making a weapon so destructive it literally leaves nothing useful behind
earnest flare
"Draedon is an amoral monster beyond compare." ❌
ok this one is straight up a lie on yharims part
this isnt due to him not knowing lmao
finally found a direct knowing lie that yharim says
sly bloom
He's not entirely wrong, actually. "Amoral" is an accurate descriptor of Draedon
Draedon's motivation is science, not morality. He doesn't want to destroy a bunch of potential data
earnest flare
but like yeah there is a large chance that draedon was like "wait what if i split an atom" at one point
earnest flare
he was only a couple steps away from making a functional atomic bomb
and from there the hydrogen bomb can also easily be done
well good to know that irl nuclear physics apply to calamity :D
sly bloom
Draedon's a supergenius, so if he really wanted to, a nuke would not evade his grasp
Wouldn't be surprised if he found out how to more effectively synthesize antimatter
earnest flare
antimatter is fucking weird
sly bloom
It's evil matter that converts itself and normal matter completely into energy when they touch
earnest flare
but like if a nuke destroys anything he could learn then antimatter certainly would
warm gull
freakazoid
sly bloom
but like if a nuke destroys anything he could learn then antimatter certainly wo...
Yeah, which is why he wouldn't bother with nuclear weapons or antimatter weapons in-character
spring helm
Large Draedon collider
north wigeon
He mentions that he has no intent to irreversibly damage the planet or its life ...
any more than he already has*
sly bloom
Yeah
north wigeon
good guy draedon with the morality!
he just doesn't care abt any of it
good moral compass
earnest flare
not having morals is a moral in of itself
spring helm
Now that I think about it
Draedon said he etched the circuitry of prototype exo prisms on the molecules of sea prisms.
Making a particle accelerator would be well within Draedon’s capabilities
sly bloom
Easily
earnest flare
yeah totally
earnest flare
anyways how do solar panels work in calamity
do they just suck up the primordial light and xeroc gets 0.00000000001% weaker
sly bloom
Set up an ungodly quantity of solar pannels, leech a significant portion of Xeroc's power and then throw a Tsar a him
earnest flare
maybe the real crusade was the renewable energy we got along the way
rotund shore
Xeroc just has to sneak up on sun at night fr fr
warm gull
xeroc when he's exposed to a flaming ball of hydrogen that emits radiation in every direction constantly
real silo
do they just suck up the primordial light and xeroc gets 0.00000000001% weaker
Xeroc can control all plants clearly
sinful adder
Elden ring split being god thing but instead of Marika and radagon it's Silva and Xeroc
That would be interesting
magic epoch
I like Silva more
merry olive
I'm new, it's nice to meet everyone!
mighty zenith
visual kiln
I'm new, it's nice to meet everyone!
sending u to the mines
sudden ruin
this is the way we roll down here
mighty zenith
trial by mines
eager bluff
and boiling
pale mango
Quick question, what is Astrum Deus?
warm gull
a worm that eats stars and shits out new ones
pale mango
Oh ok
Also what is the nuclear terror?
It is way too confusing
It looks like a MUTO from Godzilla
mighty zenith
It's not clear, my theory is that its a sulphurous skater horribly mutated by radiation and nuclear waste that draedon dumped into the sea
pale mango
Oh so draedon is the reason it’s sulphurous
Just like a true American, draedon is polluting the world, one step at a time.
mighty zenith
Oh so draedon is the reason it’s sulphurous
he's the reason why the radiation is so bad
it was sulphurous before that
warm gull
unnecessary political statement
sinful adder
We have Essence of Eleum, and Permafrost sort of corresponds to that, and we have Essence of Chaos, and Calamitas sort of corresponds to that. Should we have a mage for essence of sunlight, or whatever it's called these days?
Actually, why are there weird elemental essences, but only for three specific elements that seem strangely picked? What do Ice, Brimstone, and Sunlight have in common?
They're not a very obvious trinity.
The closest thing I can think of that matches all those is like...
The legendary pokemon from gen 5? Where Ice represents reality, fire represents ideals, and lightning represents truth.
Or was it the other way around, it's hard to remember
hoary berry
ideals and truth are the other way around iirc
zekrom for ideals, reshiram for truth
sinful adder
I see
Well anyways, what's the deal with this weird sort of elemental trinity? And they combine to make "calamity"
Which is also weird
And not fitting
I would like to have an explanation for these things, or maybe have them changed a bit to make more sense
Oh, they also fit with the primary colors for human eyes: red, yellow, blue
(which is actually kind of half a lie made up by color theory, green is a primary color.)
scenic olive
essence of chaos
eleum
and uhh
sunlight?
what is core of calamity
why do you need ectoplasm to turn essence into cores
sudden ruin
craftig mat
scenic olive
so youre saying there is no explanation and that its just a game mechanics therefore non canon
sudden ruin
does core of calamity use buffed moon events materials
untold bluff
No
sudden ruin
ok then i dont know
untold bluff
Me when half of all calamity content is non canon
wheat walrus
omni moment
xeroc vs 10 relativistic kinetic energy rockets
assuming the rocket is traveling at 0.5c, and weighs 500k metric tons
that's 6,951895501086306253247086e+24 Joules
basically continent level
for 1 rocket
10 of them are like multi-continent level
real silo
We have Essence of Eleum, and Permafrost sort of corresponds to that, and we hav...
Xeroc
urban hedge
Essence of Ze' rock....
real silo
Maybe they're all related to fallen kingdoms
Havoc being azafure and sunlight being sky kingdom
Though idk if ice biome has a kingdom or not
urban hedge
iirc the snow biome used to be a large body of water before in Cal, but that could be completely wrong
but i've never heard of a notable city in it
untold bluff
Does essence of sunlight have anything to do with primordial light?
real silo
Well primordial light is straight up just sunlight
real silo
Xeroc lost a limb 600 years ago and the essence from that limb became essence of sunlight
real silo
Actually since they're called essence
untold bluff
real silo
Maybe they're related to gods
real silo
havoc being ravager (?), sunlight being xeroc obviously, eleum being some ice god idk
They should retheme eleum around water and move them to sunken sea
untold bluff
They should retheme eleum around water and move them to sunken sea
Same I agree
Actually that would be pretty cool
real silo
Would fit with the fallen kingdom theory
but well making something based off of a theory is silly
real silo
fallen kingdom by captain sparklez
untold bluff
I like the idea of calamity stuff centering around the 3 fallen kingdoms
Azufure, Ilmeris, unnamed sky civilization
random mulch
one angry yellow man and his consequences
untold bluff
Was it yharim who destroyed the sky civilization?
I don't really remember
I'm ngl, I wish cloud elemental was turned into a boss fight for the sky Kingdom
mighty zenith
Was it yharim who destroyed the sky civilization?
it was fovos pretty sure
random mulch
I'm ngl, I wish cloud elemental was turned into a boss fight for the sky Kingdom
maybe a more proper miniboss instead of a full boss
untold bluff
it was fovos pretty sure
Oh ok
random mulch
cal minibosses are just kinda strong enemies
untold bluff
Yeah
real silo
I like the idea of calamity stuff centering around the 3 fallen kingdoms
And then cal clone and dungeon spirits to tie them in somehow
untold bluff
And then cal clone and dungeon spirits to tie them in somehow
Somehow
real silo
what if the essence is like souls but without the actual soul energy or whatever
and adding the dungeon spirits replenishes that energy
which makes cores
and then ashes of calamity binds them together??
Cooking so hard rn
untold bluff
Ashes of calamity probably have soul stuff in it
untold oracle
So is respawning canon?
cloud ibex
No
untold bluff
Yeah no
cloud ibex
I mean I suppose you could headcanon a way your Terrarian is capable of respawning
But then it’ll remain exactly that
A headcanon
untold oracle
Yea
untold bluff
Basically the only canon fights in calamity are the first winning attempts
untold oracle
Basically the only canon fights in calamity are the first winning attempts
Also only scal and draedon(?) rematches are canon
cloud ibex
You’re canonically just goated like that
untold bluff
Also only scal and draedon(?) rematches are canon
Not draedon
cloud ibex
Also only scal and draedon(?) rematches are canon
Maybe not necessarily Draedon
frozen zodiac
I mean I suppose you could headcanon a way your Terrarian is capable of respawni...
Groundhog Day scenario
you keep respawning before you defeat a major boss at different points
untold bluff
Took a while to build the exo mechs
cloud ibex
He could rebuild the exos but it would be far from instant
untold oracle
Yo
untold bluff
Maybe if you waited long enough but yeah
untold oracle
What if respawning becomes canon after you beat yharon
cloud ibex
And I feel like he wouldn’t recreate them 1:1 if he did rebuild them, he’d try to make improvements
untold oracle
Since uhh
untold bluff
But it wouldn't change anything about the lore
untold oracle
Soul consume
untold bluff
I mean gameplay
untold oracle
Yeah
frozen zodiac
He could rebuild the exos but it would be far from instant
cloud ibex
What if respawning becomes canon after you beat yharon
Would be impressive considering you don’t know the ascension ritual
cloud ibex
https://tenor.com/view/instructions-lego-how-to-build-gif-12538216
Yea see
untold oracle
Would be impressive considering you don’t know the ascension ritual
There are rituals for that?
cloud ibex
Not instant
untold oracle
I thought you just kill and dinner to become a god
cloud ibex
There are rituals for that?
Yes
There’s a very specific ritual you have to do
One that, at this point, there’s nobody left alive who would ever tell you
untold oracle
First you place 9 gold blocks…
frozen zodiac
I thought you just kill and dinner to become a god
I wonder what's for dinner...
untold oracle
*I wonder what's for dinner...*
Auric soul!!!!
untold bluff
Only the last living gods, yharon and yharim know
cloud ibex
Auric soul!!!!
Wrong ❗ gas leak
untold bluff
And they obviously will never tell you
frozen zodiac
💥
cloud ibex
Only the last living gods, yharon and yharim know
Yeah
cloud ibex
The gods don’t really have a reason to tell you and either of the yhars telling you would go against every single thing they stand for
frozen zodiac
Or would you just kill
kill the bastard
he's a horrible person
he doesn't deserve a second chance
untold oracle
Would be funny to have the jungle tyrant npc
untold bluff
He killed millions of innocent people so he can't really be spared
untold oracle
Would be funny to have the jungle tyrant npc
Then put calamitas into brimstone crags with party girl and him
untold bluff
What
mighty zenith
anyway i want to personally execute him
cloud ibex
You can argue that SCal does or doesn’t deserve to be forgiven for her actions (the game chooses to forgive her) but SCal at least is remorseful about what she’s done
trim edge
yharim regrets that he didn't kill enough
frozen zodiac
Yharim has sisyphus syndrome of "i dont regret jackshit"
cloud ibex
Yharim is more of a “I did what had to be done”
untold oracle
I wouldn’t have the heart to kill her
mighty zenith
he doesnt deserve the vegeta treatment
not even vegeta deserved the vegeta treatment
mighty zenith
yharim car
untold oracle
Yharim mobile
cloud ibex
The LGBTQ+ community does not forgive Godseeker Yharim
cloud ibex
Yharim mobile
I have good news for you
mighty zenith
The LGBTQ+ community does not forgive Godseeker Yharim
would yharim and ferrothorn be friends
frozen zodiac
The LGBTQ+ community does not forgive Godseeker Yharim
The Combine cut ties with Godseeker Yharim
cloud ibex
Could be, I have no fuckin idea who ferrothorn is so I can’t say
trim edge
how could yharim be homophobic when draedon
frozen zodiac
Braelor and Statis
cloud ibex
He fought the only canonically gay couple
mighty zenith
Could be, I have no fuckin idea who ferrothorn is so I can’t say
canonically homophobic
cloud ibex
Chat is this real
frozen zodiac
why do i imagine Scal having an Espurr
trim edge
how could yharim be homophobic when draedon
frozen zodiac
that man is not burnt enough
mighty zenith
ganondorf
frozen zodiac
The Great Godseeker Yharim when he:
wheat walrus
I bet that dragon doesn’t even have an auric soul
solos the verse :3
cloud ibex
Four Terrarians holding megasharks (lbgs):
cloud ibex
Don’t care
real silo
Yharim when some challenge youtuber kills him with a wand of sparking
wheat walrus
scal vs fatalis at who gets defeated in the weirdest ways possible by challenge ytbers
split mortar
Noxus getting their ass kicked by a challange YouTuber with a lawnmower
wheat walrus
nobus
real silo
noxus when you pull up with a xus
untold oracle
Nameless deity watching a challenge ytuber beat his divine ass with a copper shortsword
cloud ibex
He’d probably think it was funny
rough plume
scal vs fatalis at who gets defeated in the weirdest ways possible by challenge ...
SCal try not to die to a fucking stick challenge
sleek halo
The closest thing I can think of that matches all those is like...
The legendar...
ice iirc was just representing emptiness
rough plume
so youre saying there is no explanation and that its just a game mechanics there...
They are canon we just don't know why it happens difnf
Tbf we might never get an explanation
But it seems interesting to know how they're important
manic coral
He killed millions of innocent people so he can't really be spared
Just saying "millions" kinda understated it
i mena, it's CORRECT
but when you say just "millions", the default though is single digits
It is logistically at least a hundred million
random mulch
how big is the continent we play on
split mortar
how big is the continent we play on
Don’t think we even know there size of the calamity world
keen hearth
If death isn't Canon, does that mean Draedon calling you an imperfection is not Canon?
latent bolt
probably
mighty zenith
when does he do that? its not listed on the wiki
keen hearth
If death isn't Canon, does that mean Draedon calling you an imperfection is not ...
Death as specifically dying, not the difficulty
keen hearth
when does he do that? its not listed on the wiki
When you die
"An imperfection after all, what a shame" or smth
mighty zenith
maybe its just not documented
strange
anyway yeah, if its only on death then its just for a hypothetical "what if you lost to exo mechs"
keen hearth
Almost feels like before you actually pass out you hear Draedon say it
But he doesn't actually remember
Ohhhh...
So it's DEFINITELY not canon
mighty zenith
well
boss checklist despawn messages can have useful canon info but yeah, they dont canonically occur
untold bluff
Just saying "millions" kinda understated it
Hey can you explain the discussion about the core of calamity stuff and the essences from the above conversation
manic coral
Why would I
untold bluff
Idk, you usually reply with an explanation to stuff
So like
What are essences
Why do we combine them with ectoplasm to make cores, and why do they make the core of calamity
What makes the core of calamity so important sounding that it has the name of the mod in it
real silo
it's called that because of ashes of calamity
spring helm
Lmao “why would I”
manic coral
Idk, you usually reply with an explanation to stuff
Only super basic stuff I'm not sure will even be able to be properly delved into in-game
visual kiln
born to dilly dally, forced to lock in
latent bolt
azzy locks in
untold oracle
So Yharim killed 100 000 000+?
frozen zodiac
is murasama canon or not
untold oracle
Tf did that many people actually live in Terraria
untold oracle
is murasama canon or not
Uhhh likely not
Unless it’s some draedon’s experimental weapon or smth
frozen zodiac
Tf did that many people actually live in Terraria
i mean maybe the reason we dont see that many people is because they're all dead yknow
random mulch
Tf did that many people actually live in Terraria
we only play on a single sliver of a continent while iirc yharim's crusade was global
untold oracle
Mmm makes sense
Did Yharim’s crusade ever end, did it just cease, or is it ongoing somewhere?
thick slate
nah hes just chilling
spring helm
It kinda just fizzled out after all the important people left
cloud ibex
there's still, like, four gods left alive so technically it's ongoing
thick slate
the alive gods are really strong or evasive
cloud ibex
but there's not much steam in the engine at this point
untold oracle
So it just ceased basically
spring helm
Yeah
untold oracle
What’s the average strength of a god?
Slime god is considered puny and providence is super damn strong apparently
spring helm
A bit stronger than the average auric dragon, who are about as strong as the eidolon wyrms in the abyss
untold oracle
A bit stronger than the average auric dragon, who are about as strong as the eid...
You talking about the regular or the big one?
thick slate
some gods are weaker and stuf
spring helm
The regular one
thick slate
like xeroc pretty strong
untold oracle
Yea he literally has pl
spring helm
Primordial wyrm is stronger than Providence, who is stronger than average
hoary berry
You talking about the regular or the big one?
the primordial wyrm is stronger than all but one auric dragon that ever lived iirc
zeratros being that one stronger dragon
untold oracle
I’m talking about like the average strength the gods have
hoary berry
ik, i was just expanding in the other direction, since that was already being answered and i didn't have much different to say
untold oracle
So would this ”average” god be placed where in the progression?
spring helm
Post moon lord
untold oracle
When did the eidolons start appearing
hoary berry
So would this ”average” god be placed where in the progression?
by stats i think eidolon wyrms are like, late hardmode boss level? or maybe about moon lord
random mulch
probably somewhere in hardmode
spring helm
Oh really?
random mulch
i'm guessing mid hm
untold oracle
Late hm/early post-moon lord perhaps?
spring helm
Ngl I never go to the abyss so I forget where the eidolon wyrms are in progression
thick slate
cause the dragons fucked up fovos
spring helm
Gotta be past dragonfolly right?
hoary berry
in progression, they are post-polty, but they're only minibosses
so you can't base it on that
spring helm
Hm…
thick slate
id say empress if the average god tbh
random mulch
yharim states that "much of dragonkind was lost as casualties in that struggle" so probably a majority died
untold oracle
id say empress if the average god tbh
Is empress a god?
spring helm
No
random mulch
dragons arent that strong
untold oracle
Or like some minion of big x
spring helm
It’s some random fairy that started doping on primordial light
thick slate
oh right
untold oracle
I see
split mortar
But she works for one that lets her get primordial light (I assume xeroc)
thick slate
yharim dont like people messing with prim light
hoary berry
But she works for one that lets her get primordial light (I assume xeroc)
she doesn't necessarily have a direct connection to xeroc that we know of (lore item being vague + yharim not being infallible)
hoary berry
she doesn't necessarily have a direct connection to xeroc that we know of (lore ...
for all we know, the closest link they might have is that they both are related to PL in some way
random mulch
there's one thing i did notice in the lore item
"It made her sickeningly obedient. Dependent, but willingly so as they enabled her to slake her base thirst."
"they" might refer to xeroc
spring helm
Them/themeity
split mortar
"they" might refer to xeroc
I don’t see any way another god could get primordial light
Hence why I think it’s Xeroc
spring helm
Looking at their stats, dragonfolly and eidolon wyrms are pretty close. Though obviously dragonfolly ends up being a tougher fight because it’s an actual boss
split mortar
Plus doesn’t folly spawn children aswell
spring helm
Yeah
split mortar
So it’s like fighting a dragon plus some
spring helm
But since dragonfolly is a boss no other mobs can show up when you fight it, unlike with minibosses
stark basalt
spring helm
lone moss
Even lore-wise, Calamity's Abyss is a much, much, much more hostile environment than Thorium's Aquatic Depths. Am I correct?
split mortar
Pretty sure only recently is when it got as much fish and plants as it has
Before it used to have no plants and probably less fish
wheat walrus
Even lore-wise, Calamity's Abyss is a much, *much, **much*** more hostile enviro...
Idk
split mortar
There are eidolon wyrms and such as predators so I’d say probably
lone moss
There are eidolon wyrms and such as predators so I’d say probably
Also, Aquatic Depths aren't as deep as Abyss is, so that also counts. And it's fouled-up air clears after a certain boss is defeated, so that hazard is too, temporary. Even then it's trivial to get air replenished in Aquatic Depths.
magic epoch
iirc abyss has been inundated with plant and animal life over a very long time
it took a long time to reach how it is
split mortar
Though silva def made that process quicker
lone moss
it started
Because without Sylva, there wouldn't be plants at all (because it would normally be too deep for them to exist at the depths they are encountered in, so magic is definitely at play).
magic epoch
I keep thinking that I'm just spreading misinfo and am worried that's all im doing
lone moss
btw, stat wise Calamitas claps Thorium's Final Boss, but how would their confrontation go lore-wise?
frozen zodiac
the abyss depths would be horrifying irl, specially with how fast you drown
lone moss
the abyss depths would be horrifying irl, specially with how fast you drown
Pressure doesn't increase as rapidly IRL...
...or does it?
1 atm worth of pressure per ~10 meters of depth. That is how fast pressure increases over depth IRL
I have yet to see calcs for Calamity's Abyss.
frozen zodiac
still i feel like it would scar you if you somehow used a magic mirror or return potion as you were losing health, you would probably be left crippled
lone moss
Even mere 100 (plus\minus few dozen) meters of depth is enough to implode suboptimally build DIY submersibles (remote-controlled of course, no one is dumb enough to risk themselves, especially after Titan's disaster).
frozen zodiac
what im most scared of i think is the pressure so rapidly affecting your body
untold oracle
still i feel like it would scar you if you somehow used a magic mirror or return...
Not really scarred in that sense
More like pressurized or whatever
lone moss
what im most scared of i think is the pressure so rapidly affecting your body
Freedivers IRL got as deep as ~300 feet underwater, but it comes after years of training and very thorough preparations.
frozen zodiac
i think traumatized fits more
lone moss
More like pressurized or whatever
Barotrauma is a thing. And it is a nasty condition.
lone moss
i think traumatized fits more
IRL aspect of deep dives that Calamity ignores (for good reason - it wouldn't be fun in Terraria's context), is toxicity of various gases under enough partial pressures (and saturation of blood with gases that diffuse into blood cells as pressure increases, which causes bends when you surface too fast).
untold oracle
Barotrauma is a thing. And it is a nasty condition.
Yeah
That’s why you gotta ascend slowly
To like stabilize hydrogen or whatever
lone moss
To like stabilize hydrogen or whatever
Nitrogen more commonly.
untold oracle
Yeah nitrogen
pliant ruin
Hi lore chat i just woke up from a nap
lone moss
When you surface too fast, Nitrogen gets released from the blood cells and forms bubbles. Which are a bad thing in a bloodstream if you know anything about hydrodynamics and biology.
hoary berry
Hi lore chat i just woke up from a nap
hello cheese
frozen zodiac
you know, i doubt the people who found out the eidolon wyrms react to teleportation magic like the rod of discord found out without at least one death
that must have been a very quick but hopefully painless death
pliant ruin
Oh this reminds me
I had a dream i was in tgw abyss
I saw a eidolon wyrm and there also was a weird eidolon looking squid creature
wheat walrus
I have yet to see calcs for Calamity's Abyss.
Maybe
wheat walrus
btw, stat wise Calamitas claps Thorium's Final Boss, but how would their confron...
I also dunno about this
Idk about thorium powerscaling
frozen zodiac
who was the thorium final boss remind me
hoary berry
primordials iirc
wheat walrus
Idk
stark basalt
scenic olive
I know Zenith uses Auric Bar to craft is for balance purposes
but itd be neat if there is a lore for the sword
frozen zodiac
the lore is that melee has like 5 different endgame crafting tree swords while some of the other classes barely have 1 weapon
"summoner is the worst class" SHUT THE FUCK YOUR MOUTH YOU PIECE OF SHIT I DID NOT GO THROUGH 4 YEARS OF BALANCE PATCHES AND NEW WEAPONS JUST TO BE CALLED A DUSTY BITCH
frozen zodiac
ah sweet bait i wanted worms
lone moss
How would canon Tails from Sonic the Hedgehog series of games fare in Calamity world?
*If we also consider Tails Adventures canon.
magic epoch
with chaos emeralds then he solos all of calamity
frozen zodiac
i think it depends on if he can comprehend the tech he finds
mighty zenith
he's a better tinkerer than even the terrarian so
magic epoch
super tails would fuck up scal and exos
rotund shore
I'd argue tails could beat everything besides xeroc tbh
lone moss
with chaos emeralds then he solos all of calamity
He doesn't have genuine things, but he can mass-produce Fake Chaos Emeralds en-masse if he needs to.
frozen zodiac
he's a better tinkerer than even the terrarian so
mighty zenith
true
magic epoch
super tails IS a thing
mighty zenith
that depends on if the chaos emerald are carried over
cause if yes then yeah he can beat basically everyone
lone moss
that depends on if the chaos emerald are carried over
Chaos Emeralds aren't carried over in this scenario, but he can always create Fake Chaos Emeralds in however large a quantity he wants. Once he figures out how with local materials.
mighty zenith
this dude can figure out completely alien to him tech and reprogram it easily
magic epoch
don't forget tails in sonic the hedgehog 2 being invincible
lone moss
don't forget tails in sonic the hedgehog 2 being invincible
Script-controlled one (when you're in Sonic+Tails mode). Not player-controlled one (when you play as Tails).
magic epoch
smh
lone moss
this dude can figure out completely alien to him tech and reprogram it easily
Yeah. Tails would rival Draedon right from the start with ludicrous IQ.
Fun trivia - Tails and Eggman have the same IQ, being 300.
mighty zenith
i feel like draedon would be really interested in Tails
hell he would possibly try straight up kidnapping and studying him
lone moss
The only problem though... Tails can be just as bad at names as Terrarian sometimes, especially when he runs out of "sciency technobabble" to (try to) explain stuff.
@mighty zenith Also, am I the only one who has a hilarious mental image, where Eggman presents his yet another diabolical creation to certain ever annoying hedgehog, only for Draedon to casually chime in, take few notes of Eggman's poor design choices, and show how it's really done.
magic epoch
Fun trivia - Tails and Eggman have the same IQ, being 300.
I don't think that's enough to rival draedon
mighty zenith
<@282515629213351947> Also, am I the only one who has a hilarious mental image, ...
im just imagining eggman pulling up in like, the egg dragoon then getting immediately slammed into the ground by ares
That sounds really cool actually wait
lone moss
im just imagining eggman pulling up in like, the egg dragoon then getting immedi...
That was my mental image as well.
humble fog
I don't think that's enough to rival draedon
Yea but my iq is 2 and I beat draedon every playthrough so
tails has got this
magic epoch
you didn't beat draedon
humble fog
Yes I did