#lore-discussion

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pliant ruin
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i think it's entirely believable he wants revenge on signus for tricking him into leaving his bf behind

thorn ruin
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Maybe when Signus dies the other one appears?

ionic harness
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Cheese how do you find out this stuff

pliant ruin
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yeah

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basically

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faustian bargain

warm gull
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yharim has perfume sprayers on the outside of his armor to increase his charisma score

thorn ruin
rotund shore
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well, you'd instantly get auric rejected and you'd like explode, assuming you aren't attuned

split mortar
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Signus is a edgy fairy got it

pliant ruin
ionic harness
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That makes sense

thorn ruin
warm gull
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Just ask the lore writers for information

frozen zodiac
pliant ruin
ionic harness
rotund shore
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so I imagine its just as harsh lore wise, if not more

thorn ruin
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You cause the doomed gays

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lol

pliant ruin
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braelor wil be alive and well its ok

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we'll get them together

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i hope

ionic harness
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Now kiss😈

pliant ruin
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i don't think anything can even kill braelor at this point

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except like

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noxus

thorn ruin
rotund shore
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braelor is goated

pliant ruin
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and noxus probably isn't gonna show up to kill braelor out of nowhere.

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probably.

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i hope not.

ionic harness
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Braelor is strong as FUCK

warm gull
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why doesn't braelor just team up with calamitas and statis and the terrarian to kill yharim together

rotund shore
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we don't know what the distortion like, but the average guy would die there in an instant methinks

pliant ruin
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the strongest thing we know of in the distortion besides noxus is like. the devourer

warm gull
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4 v 1 that guy

thorn ruin
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WAIT

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WASAAIT

ionic harness
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They tried to 2v1 Yharim

pliant ruin
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and i think the devourer could genuinely lose a fight to braelor

thorn ruin
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We gonna fight dog there

ionic harness
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Almost won

pliant ruin
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ye

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like

thorn ruin
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WE GONNA FREE HIMMMMM

ionic harness
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Yes

pliant ruin
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it'd be a easy fight

thorn ruin
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What if he helps us

pliant ruin
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for EITHER of them

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but i can genuinely see braelor defeating dog in a fight

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and for that alone

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i don't think dog would charge in willy nilly

rotund shore
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if braelor locked in he could win

pliant ruin
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he knows that guy's strong as hell

ionic harness
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Braelor is on another tier of strength

pliant ruin
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so if he ever wants to kill him he'll plan a ambush or something

pliant ruin
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like both braelor and dog know they're strong as hell and both could kill eachother

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so i think

warm gull
pliant ruin
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until the terrarian eventually kills dog

thorn ruin
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We are fighting dog and Brealor comes out and just one shots “my husband needs me~” and leaves lmao

split mortar
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Yharim is like the only boss with canon reasons for dealing damage contact damage I think

pliant ruin
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they'd probably be constantly on the look for eachother

thorn ruin
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Becomes the strongest cuz gay

pliant ruin
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constantly paranoid over where that mf worm and where that mf gay are

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ok new headcanon time. thanks cheese you're so cool.

frozen zodiac
pliant ruin
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anyways i now headcanon that braelor and devourer are Bitter Enemies constantly paranoid about eachother's presence within the distortion

thorn ruin
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Any lore reason we can recognition bosses?

frozen zodiac
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also jeesh 300 contact damage sounds really harsh unless yharim is smaller than the average boss

split mortar
thorn ruin
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I know it’s just cuz it’s a game

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But like

rotund shore
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DoG is a bitch but I hope he has enough respect to not just kill braelor while hes sleeping

split mortar
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We don’t with the mech bosses

pliant ruin
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like both of them could reasonably kill eachother and i assume they're both smart enough to like

split mortar
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We name them horribly

pliant ruin
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not charge in willy nilly knowing they could die

thorn ruin
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Oh hey what if it’s Dreadon clones that you fight after killing then the first time

warm gull
rotund shore
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mechs included

thorn ruin
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I know but fun idea

split mortar
pliant ruin
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The only boss refights that r canon r the ones that are LIKE

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either a species

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like dragonfolly or fishron

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or ones that you literally can canonically rematch

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like calamitas

rotund shore
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seems like theres multiple king slimes and eocs

split mortar
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Or exi mecjs probably

rotund shore
thorn ruin
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Calamitas refights likely like training

pliant ruin
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ehh not exo mechs

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draedon would take

rotund shore
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exo mechs are destroyed after the first fight

thorn ruin
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Asking her to help you get stronger

rotund shore
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would take years to remake them

pliant ruin
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a rly long time

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to rebuild them

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yeah

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you COULD refight them

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but it'd take years

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and by then i imagine draedon would just

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make something stronger

rotund shore
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same with yharon, you could refight him if you wait a decade

thorn ruin
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I like my ideas Dreadon just cloning everyone after they die and that’s what you fight in refights

split mortar
pliant ruin
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yharon showing up 10 years later when yharim's dead and everyone's enjoying life

frozen zodiac
rotund shore
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yeah if draedon ever does remake exo mechs, he'd make considerable improvements, using data from the fight versus the terrarian

warm gull
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what if yharim actually got strong enough and killed xeroc and somehow killed silva

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What would he do then

rotund shore
pliant ruin
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if he theoretically did that he'd probably be like

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the lich from adventure time

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in F&C

split mortar
pliant ruin
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"ok i did that"

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"now what"

frozen zodiac
thorn ruin
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Off topic but is the rework for the fuckinnnnnnn

rotund shore
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no fiona and cake spoilers please!!

thorn ruin
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Mursma

pliant ruin
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OH

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SORRY

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UHM

rotund shore
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Im gonna watch that show soon

woeful patio
thorn ruin
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Is that out yet?

pliant ruin
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I'M SORRY 😭

split mortar
rotund shore
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its fine lol

frozen zodiac
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is there any traces of the multiverse in calamity

warm gull
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wait yall haven't watched adventure time

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That was like

rotund shore
pliant ruin
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||in fionna and cake the lich manages to succesfully kill EVERYONE in one of the alternate universes the protagonists go to||

warm gull
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My favorite show as a kid

pliant ruin
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||and then he's like||

frozen zodiac
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please no but i could see yharim abusing the distortion to brute force his way to other dimensions

pliant ruin
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||"now what"||

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||like he's just kind of depressed||

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yes, the lich. that one

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anyways

split mortar
pliant ruin
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no

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it's not

warm gull
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the lich that turned princess bubblegum into a midget?

pliant ruin
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it's still within our universe

thorn ruin
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Is the murasma rework out?

pliant ruin
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it's not a full on alternate reality

rotund shore
pliant ruin
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that one

split mortar
thorn ruin
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Oh thought it was

pliant ruin
warm gull
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adventure time worldbuilding is so cool

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I love bizarre apocalypses

rotund shore
split mortar
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Yeah

thorn ruin
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Alright then

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I’m gonna skidadle

pliant ruin
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i think if yharim killed every single god he'd just lose purpose of his life since as the devs themselves have said at this point the crusade is his life

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so he'd just like

rotund shore
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adventure time is a post-post apocalypse which is such a fun setting

thorn ruin
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I will either be here again tomorrow

pliant ruin
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sit there until he dies of old age which probably would happen soon anyways

thorn ruin
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Or I won’t be seen for 3 more months lmao

split mortar
ionic harness
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Goodbye thegalaxyvoid

thorn ruin
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Nice to meet y’all :D

split mortar
ionic harness
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💪💪💪

woeful patio
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🗿

ionic harness
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Yo cheese

split mortar
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What is all your least fav boss in cal?

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Mines aureus

rotund shore
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ravager

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signus too, both too easy

split mortar
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I find aureus extremely irritating

rotund shore
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ravager rework will be so fire

split mortar
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Yeah

rotund shore
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hopefully, anyways

frozen zodiac
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i wanna get to astrum deus again just for the music i fucking love when an area uses leitmotifs of itself for its bosses

ionic harness
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Least favorite boss has to be uhhhh

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Ravager

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Yeah

rotund shore
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Oddly enough I think signus doesn't need a rework as much as it needs higher stats

woeful patio
rotund shore
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its issue is just that it dies before you need to learn the attacks well

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maybe some reworks to attacks ofc

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what attacks does signus even have besides dash

split mortar
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From when they were sentinels of the devourer

rotund shore
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honestly storm weaver still gives me a somewhat hard time

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second try as opposed to first try CV and signus

split mortar
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I think the time of kos bosses should prob be buffed a bit

ionic harness
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Bring back Yharon health fakeout

split mortar
rotund shore
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the distortion trio are such underwhelming fights

split mortar
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Yeah

ionic harness
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I think they’ll be changed up when we get the distortion update

rotund shore
woeful patio
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I love Infernum lore Cutscene wires

split mortar
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I can kinda understand cv being underwhelming since it’s a spell from the dead lunatic cultist attacking us but then shouldn’t it be retired to lower?

rotund shore
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a tier shift could work, CV and polterghast being liek right next to eachother in progression is odd

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much dungeon

split mortar
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Where could we put cv? Pre cultist with the other like seven pre cultist bosses?

rotund shore
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hm...

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no progression point really feels lacking

split mortar
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Yeah

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Maybe an explanation for why the spell is so strong then

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So it can stay that tier

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There have been times aswell where one area gets a lot of bosses suddenly

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Plantera, golem plagues

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All jungle

ionic harness
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Just add another dungeon

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Like dungeon 2

rotund shore
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no

ionic harness
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But it’s in the air

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On the left side

split mortar
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That’s called the jungle temple

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But jungle

ionic harness
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Dungeon 3

split mortar
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Can’t deny that

ionic harness
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I’m watching ratatouille

rotund shore
woeful patio
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I wonder what happens if we are 1% auric soul, like we ate one of the Yharon soul fragmentXD

ionic harness
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The terrarian is being controlled by a ratatouille

rotund shore
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HIS NAME JS REMY

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HIS NAME ISNT RATATOUILLE

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GRAHHH

ionic harness
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His name is ratatouille

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Ratatouille the rat

split mortar
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Ratatouille the remy

ionic harness
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Anyone have any cool lore

woeful patio
ionic harness
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True

woeful patio
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Dude froze 1/4 of the surface continent just for his the magic spell to last longer

vocal spire
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what if yharim is hiding behind a tree this entire time instead of other dimension or something

calm patio
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no hes in your walls

sinful adder
delicate oak
warm gull
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caldevs should give plantera cooler lore iirc

cosmic zenith
warm gull
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this means nothing until proven !!!!

ionic harness
north wigeon
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i wished the sprites that got submitted for vernal pass were used immediately cuz they're so nice
but it's better to ship one whole vernal pass update

scenic olive
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insert scooby doo unmasking villains

sinful adder
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It would be... Interesting if the player finally gets to the Dragon Arie, and yharim is just dead

scenic olive
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Yhargon

sinful adder
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Like maybe there stop being lore messages partway through the game signifying that yharim died

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Yhargone

scenic olive
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Finally i can steal his armor

ionic harness
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no longer rocking discount auric

scenic olive
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what happen if i wear his auric on top of my auric armor

sinful adder
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In his place

Some other guy, idk

scenic olive
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do i get rejected

sinful adder
ionic harness
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cal lore chat group playthrough when?

scenic olive
sudden ruin
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you lore chatters seem fun

delicate oak
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the astral meteor could have crashed at another continent. but somehow it always crashes at the terrarian continent

cosmic zenith
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But we do have great plans for the Vernal Pass

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I already wanted to rebuild the place... but now that's just part of the glowup it'll get

real silo
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please don't put rope in the new one 🙏

sudden ruin
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my bad wheres the vernal pass?

cosmic zenith
cosmic zenith
warm gull
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where's the jungle

buoyant inlet
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Check under your pillow

warm gull
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I sleep on the sidewalk with no cushions or pillows

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I have a house but I choose to live this way

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It makes the body stronger

buoyant inlet
warm gull
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I cut my nose off to allow smells to touch my olfactory nerves easier

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It's just a big lump of meat that gets in the way of fast smelling

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not optimal whatsoever

buoyant inlet
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Check under your feet

vocal spire
warm gull
buoyant inlet
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Check under your skin on the chest

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And on the left arm

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Near shoulder

warm gull
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I'm blind and deaf and don't have any nerves in my skin

buoyant inlet
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Good then

warm gull
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It's toggleable

buoyant inlet
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Use your memory to cut off the skin on the chest and left arm

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You won't feel pain

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Because, as you said

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No nerves

warm gull
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I don't have a memory

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every behavior I make is genetic instinct

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I am genetically predisposed to spite you

real silo
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what's your name big man

spring helm
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daichin

ionic harness
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Corn

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Pop

spring helm
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🫵 Aido

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it's your turn now

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write the Princess NPC chapter for me

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i got no ideas

warm gull
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1233popcorn

rotund shore
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Hi lorers

spring helm
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Hello

pale mango
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Do you think the lore will change for the new DoG resprite?

rotund shore
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Idk what would change, really

buoyant inlet
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Well what's already in game won't be changed

ionic harness
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Cmt is so aggressive

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I’m coming back to lore chat

sudden ruin
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very true

ionic harness
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This guys beefing with people for no reason

trail ravine
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He do be

sudden ruin
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lowkey dont like em

ionic harness
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💀💀

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Bros been here for a week and already starting shit with people

sudden ruin
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i dont trust his opinions

trail ravine
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He's kinda annoying

ionic harness
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I’d say that but this is my new account

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So I’d look like a hypocrite

sudden ruin
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too high ego feels like

trail ravine
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It seems like it

ionic harness
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The one time the mods aren’t around lol

faint plank
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hes been here for a while

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always active at these times

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thats why i just stick to addon talk

ionic harness
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Feel that

trail ravine
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Only about 8 days

ionic harness
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I’ve been in lore chat for months now

faint plank
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i barely talk here lel

trail ravine
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I've been avoiding chatting because usually when you're new you either get ignored or beef

ionic harness
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Yeah

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Kinda gotta find ur peeps

faint plank
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just come to cat if u wanna ask anything abt the game

sudden ruin
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cat meow

faint plank
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ppl there are actually helpful

faint plank
sudden ruin
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true i like cat chat

ionic harness
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No yeah, addon is def better

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They’re normally more open to random shit too

faint plank
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mhm

warm gull
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lore discussion is the gateway drug to the deeper community

ionic harness
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This is just a big group chat

earnest flare
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lore discussion is a gateway drug to the larger community

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alternatively you can take a route through catacord if you know how to do it

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and if you REALLY know how to do it and have the balls you can go through calart

sinful adder
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I hope we get lore to explain the blood moon and solar eclipse

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I imagine that magic from Fovos or the moon or something might block out the primordial light and make a dark counterpart of Xeroc's projections, bringing the world's imagined fears to life

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This is sort of similar to the idea of deltarune's darkness = fantasy and light = reality thing?

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Maybe the boundary between light and dark (both kinds of eclipses are related to shadows and the edges of shadows being projected onto the earth in different ways) brings the boundary of existence and non-existence (things that could be, or ideas) into the world

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Actually...

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In a solar eclipse, the moon's shadow is projected onto the earth. This can relate to the moon lord, who's name is literally an ancient word for fear and dread. He could be bringing fears to life.

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In a lunar eclipse, the edge of the earth's shadow shines on the moon. This could relate to death and gore, the earth's darkness, being brought to life or illuminated by the moon, or blocking out the sun's light reflected off the moon

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Lore people, what do you think of this

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To summarize Fovos being fear incarnate and related to the moon makes solar eclipses make sense, as fear is blocking out the primordial light, which might be, like, the source of reality itself.

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The same reasoning being twisted around works for blood moons too.

scenic olive
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Maybe lunar eclipse enemies are powered by PL

sinful adder
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Lunar eclipse is the blood moon

glacial rampart
sinful adder
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Anyways, I think it makes more sense if they're not powered by PL, but instead created by a complete absence of PL

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Yes, and that's fine

scenic olive
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like

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the shadow of PL

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Speed of shadow

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the lack of photons

sinful adder
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The sun (primordial light) is older than the gods

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Primordial light is a fundamental elemental-ish thing relating to reality itself or something, in calamity

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So it's absence, darkness, seems important

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And indeed, an entire alternate world exists ruled by such a primordial darkness

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Perhaps Fovos is connected to this darkness, or the moon is, or both are.

sudden ruin
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this is how people go down the conspiracy theorist pipeline

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you cookin tho

scenic olive
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is it possible that EoL is the elemental of Primordial Light

sudden ruin
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what are elementals,

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not gods right

sinful adder
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Not gods

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They are a living embodiment of an aspect of the world

sudden ruin
sinful adder
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But also for some reason different than auric souls which are embodiments of an aspect of the world that are tied to other living beings that have their own identity

sudden ruin
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too confusing id need a diagram

sinful adder
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No, because the empress of light is a regular creature not made of light, but wields primordial light.

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Uh

sudden ruin
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alralr

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i get that

sinful adder
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Elementals are a living form of the thing they have power over

sudden ruin
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sick i get it now

sinful adder
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Auric dragons and gods are regular living beings that also have power over stuff, but aren't necessarily made of that stuff

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They also have power over that stuff for a seemingly unrelated reason to elementals

sudden ruin
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like xeroc is the god of light right

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or something

sinful adder
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Because there can be a dragon and elemental of the same thing at the same time

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Yeah. God of primordial light specifically, which is a special kind of light

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The sun is a giant ball of primordial light in calamity

sudden ruin
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xerocs cool af

scenic olive
sudden ruin
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brimmy dont got that swagger

sinful adder
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But got beat up

real silo
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Scal ate all of brimmy's fingers

sinful adder
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We also don't know why Scal has her powers, but we know that for some reason, somehow, she inherited powers that activated suddenly when the brimstone elemental awoke

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It's like she's part elemental

sudden ruin
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i remember that

sinful adder
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Hmm. A thought...
There can be an auric soul of something and an elemental of that thing. We know this because Silva was an elemental before becoming a god, and kept the same domain.

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Maybe Calamitas somehow inherited the Auric soul of Brimstone?

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So she's either a demigod or an auric human, a human that somehow gained an original auric soul, not fused with one

real silo
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I think I heard somewhere that the auric soul equivalent to brimmy is the auric soul of flame

scenic olive
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isnt that just providence

sinful adder
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Yeah

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So then nevermind

real silo
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Looking back at it

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It's just stip's vision of it

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So not canon yet

sinful adder
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Ah, ok

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Still. Something unusual had to happen for Calamitas to have her power

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Something very rare, relating to the brimstone elemental and her parents being dead, and something that never happened anywhere else that we know of

scenic olive
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shes uses the behelith that her parents gave her

sinful adder
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We know elementals are powerful, but no other elemental is even close to as powerful as calamitas, and by extension the power the Brimstone elemental must have once had

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I mean, think about it, of all the other normal elementals, the strongest one is only as strong as the average god (about halfway between slime god and providence), that being anahita. The sand and storm elementals are split into many weaker bodies, but even combined, I don't think they can be as strong as that.

scenic olive
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I feel like

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Anahita isnt really that strong

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shes getting carried by leviathan

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Alone

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Anahita probably is as strong as all cloud elemental combined

warm gull
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There is 1 cloud elemental

sinful adder
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No because they spawn naturally multiple times

warm gull
sinful adder
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Unless you mean in the sense that all the cloud elementals are the same one's infinite bodies they can make and they just don't die

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Which is basically true

warm gull
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anahita also spawns naturally mutiple times

sinful adder
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Yes, but the multiple elementals thing was confirmed by a dev somewhere and also in the bestiary indirectly, I think?

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The elementals split themselves (the brimlings are part of the Brimstone elemental)

warm gull
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No the devs have said there aren't any more elementals than the ones we've seen, and we've seen one for each element: earth (sand), air (cloud), water, fire (brimstone), and nature/life which is silva

scenic olive
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...

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there is only one cloud elemental

warm gull
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yeah that's what I said

scenic olive
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but she split into smaller bodies

sinful adder
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There is one of each elemental in the sense that all the elementals we see are the same being, but there are multiple in the sense that the elementals make an arbitrary number of bodies that are all them, as proven by the brimlings

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Thats what I was saying

scenic olive
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shes still the same elemental

sinful adder
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Yes

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I said that

scenic olive
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Me comprehending multiple body one personality

sinful adder
scenic olive
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real

sinful adder
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Anyways

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Lore writers please witness my insane ramblings and make them canon

real silo
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Holy shit is that azafuretaker

sinful adder
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If Azafure was where all the brimstone crags are now, what were the obsidian towers outside that area? There's a gap between them and Azafure, were they like... The city suburbs?

warm gull
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there were other cities in hell

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although they might have been built by demons iirc

stuck shore
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You know what cal lore for martians is?

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I O U a U F O

warm gull
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this would be funny if I got the joke and then thought it was funny when I knew what it meant

cloud ibex
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you're not wrong

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it would be

sinful adder
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We also don't know what demons are

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But we know brimstone magic fucked up the tax collector when Azafure fell

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Maybe demons are azafurians that got fucked up by brimstone magic but didn't die

buoyant inlet
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I think obsidian towers were built by demons

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And demons themselves are more simple tribal creatures

warm gull
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just because they don't dress like us or speak our language and hurl devilish magic scythes at us doesn't mean they're simple and tribal throudon

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get with the times

buoyant inlet
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They're very aggressive tho.....

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And attack on sight

pliant ruin
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good morning lorers

hoary berry
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good morning cheese

buoyant inlet
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Good morning cheese

lyric turtle
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Is Distortion dimension pure void ?

pliant ruin
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we don't know what it's like currently

random mulch
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the distortion is probably not completely emty considering it's meant to be a large part of post-ML exploration

hoary berry
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and draedon collected a lot of samples of inorganic material from there

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116 i think

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which were probably things like rock

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so not super empty, at least in some places

lyric turtle
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Something to stand on

wheat walrus
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lore nerds utterly annihilate this human being

buoyant inlet
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Those feel like memes that very new calamity fans make

untold oracle
buoyant inlet
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Sorry but old design is not good

untold oracle
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Well yeeeeah ig

wheat walrus
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old design is incomprehensible

buoyant inlet
#

(Notice that I said design, not sprite. Sprite isn't good either, but design is my point here)

wheat walrus
#

yes but still

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this mf is not comprehensible to human beings

untold oracle
#

I like the model/shape of the old one more

buoyant inlet
#

Considers its name

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I can imagine that it's some kind of twisted reality that might be similar to Terraria, but is, well, distorted

north wigeon
wheat walrus
#

that's why I said "lore nerds annihilate this guy"

north wigeon
#

ah makes sense

north wigeon
#

dragon aerie less sure but probably a fiery yellow realm

pliant ruin
#

i imagine dragon aerie to just be like

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a peaceful forest type thing

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unlike distortion as far as i'm concerned it's not a full blown like biome with enemies and stuff its more or less just a glorified boss arena so

pliant ruin
# untold oracle I like the model/shape of the old one more

new yharon is honestly just
current yharon's design but modernized tbh
like it's still got the same basic ideas but without the weird shit thrown into it like the purple shackles, random green blobs and weird yellow chitin (?) on the wings and tail

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like beyond the head shape and the removal of the weird crap it's more or less just a modernized version of the same design

#

it's a redesign yeah but it's one that's pretty faithful to the original all things considered

untold oracle
untold oracle
real silo
#

Ah uh tail armor ig

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Idk why he'd need tail armor

mighty zenith
untold bluff
north wigeon
north wigeon
#

would you rather he be updated but also still look like fried chicken with some food coloring on it

real silo
#

Since the placement matches

mighty zenith
#

Yeah ik, im just making fun of the old sprite

north wigeon
#

actually now that i look at the sprite
yeah no wonder it's in wing anim hell

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wing anims are hard enough tiny

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yharon is HUGE

scenic olive
#

me bringing Yharim to distortion to trap his ass there

celest kettle
#

The jungle chicken

scenic olive
#

eventually yharim stopped thinking ending

north wigeon
celest kettle
#

Yummers

north wigeon
#

not to be confused with the profaned nuggets

celest kettle
#

Blasphemous donut

scenic olive
#

Supreme Calamari

north wigeon
#

imma catch some Giant Squid and see if she can make some

untold oracle
#

I just generally am okay with all the sprites that are in game rn

#

But I read what yall said and I see Yharon’s design doesn’t really make sense

north wigeon
#

now that i look at it i have no idea why i didn't spot the purple on him

#

why does he have purple??

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bro why he ourple

hybrid aurora
#

Hello

half roost
#

What was Silva the god of?

random mulch
#

life

half roost
#

Thanks

wheat walrus
#

calamarous

half roost
#

Oh! That's why the abyss is so full of life despite being the most hostile area on the map

wheat walrus
#

yes indeed

scenic olive
#

i wish Slime God is like a recurring boss that you can fight in all 3 phase of the game

ionic harness
#

Slimegod turns into Goozma

scenic olive
#

pre hm as slime god, hm as queen slime, and lastly distortion slime god in post ml

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kinda like mr x from resident evil

ionic harness
#

That would be interesting

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I lowkey wish that they’d make slimegod like that now

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Imagine the lore items

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Yharim realizing that the god isn’t nearly as weak as he thought

autumn mirage
#

haha random pixel art go brrrr

hoary berry
#

strikes me as a pokemon honestly

#

from a rom hack

mighty zenith
#

i see the beheaded from dead cells

random mulch
#

i should try my hand at making a DoG

split mortar
#

Good luck

random mulch
#

something like mandibles might stay but i wanna experiment with them first

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so they arent just there for the sake of big worm with mandibles

sonic basin
#

hey, just a quick question...is there any eldrich horror in the lore..?

pliant ruin
#

uhh yeah

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a few

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depends on your definition but i'd say basically anything to do with the distortion counts

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and the evil biomes

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and wall of flesh

random mulch
#

there's a potential world ending threat sending beings that dont follow our own biology from a realm that almost noone has seen

pliant ruin
#

evil biomes and wall of flesh not as much but

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distortion stuff yeah 100%

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also moon lord

spring helm
#

yeah i was gonna say moon lord

pliant ruin
#

does astral infection count

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i feel like it counts

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like there's alot of things you could arguably classify as eldritch horrors in the mod's narrative

sonic basin
#

the version of Eldritch I'm asking about is like, Elder gods and Outer gods, things like the Astral virus/parasite

random mulch
#

the astral infection is there i guess

pliant ruin
#

The most eldritch horror-y thing in calamity imo is 100% the distortion

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if we're talking gods

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then the closest is probably just

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evil biomes

spring helm
#

the definition of eldritch horror in my head is a little different to what most people do

pliant ruin
#

but they're not really as eldritch horror-y imo because

random mulch
#

the wildlife being twisted into servants of the infection that killed them in the first place is a bit spooky i guess

pliant ruin
#

they're definitely scary yeah but they're

sonic basin
#

wait, how is the evil biomes Eldritch?

pliant ruin
#

pretty easy to understand all things considered

#

at this point i'd not be surprised if people just got used to them

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like they're not super incomprehensible

#

they're just kinda scary and dangerous

pliant ruin
#

evil god corpse biome that turns you into a fucked up flesh monster is pretty eldritch horror like i feel

random mulch
#

the remnants of dead gods turning into a landscape of flesh that constantly spit out monsters is weird

pliant ruin
#

its just that since its been here for like

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a while

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and it's relatively easy to avoid

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i feel like it's not as much

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mainly due to lacking the unknown factor

sonic basin
#

wait wait wait...the biomes...are CORPSES OF DEAD GODS?!?

pliant ruin
#

yes

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both evil biomes

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multiple dead gods

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like alot of them

random mulch
#

yharim killed some gods, didnt dispose of them and they grew

pliant ruin
#

yharim fucks everything up numero 300

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

this man ruins everything

#

stinky yellow man

#

yeah

spring helm
#

to me eldritch horror is something utterly incomprehensible to people. Something that would drive you mad from seeing it, not because it has some weird magic that automatically drives you insane, but because understanding it forces your worldview to widen and change so much that you appear insane to normal people

like if an ant somehow figured out nuclear physics and tried teaching it to other ants

pliant ruin
#

evil biomes are

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well

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self explanatory

#

evil gods

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hallow is benevolent/good gods

north wigeon
#

that gods = evil

spring helm
#

tbf he packed away the essences of some other evil gods too

pliant ruin
#

yeah but i think

sonic basin
#

wtf!? how did...why...just...Why isn't there a revisit to the Evil biomes where you have to slay the now bubbling and surfacing remnants of the Evil gods?!?

pliant ruin
#

the fact he packed all of the hallow

spring helm
#

it's just that the first gods he killed were all evil

pliant ruin
#

and only some of the evil biomes

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

to me

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yeah

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like

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it probably wasn't intentional but retroactively

#

it works super well with yharim's character

spring helm
north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

they're the most concentrated remains of the Dead Gods

north wigeon
sonic basin
#

yeah, I get that, but why not add something for Hardmode or post-moonlord?

pliant ruin
#

cuz calamity progression is wacky

#

i heard they plan to move evil 2 bosses to hardmode though maybe so that'd be cool

spring helm
#

i imagine that after the WoF was created, Yharim had the option of cleaning up the evil biomes to lock away the remaining essences along side what was already in the WoF, but didn't because it suited his agenda

pliant ruin
#

but then that'd mean there'd only be like 3 pre hardmode bosses which is unfortunate

#

calamity boss bloat 😔

pliant ruin
#

he cleaned some of it

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so it's not as much of a issue

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but he let a little bit stay

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cuz muh propaganda

spring helm
#

Yhapaganda

spring helm
#

bros just yhapping throughout your playthrough

pliant ruin
sonic basin
#

no, I mean like ADDING two new bosses for the Evil biome, solely focused on stronger and now more concentrated versions of the Evil gods, since they got unsealed from WoF

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

they're not gonna add more bosses

#

well

sonic basin
#

sadge

pliant ruin
#

except yharim

#

but he's gonna come in 200 years so

pliant ruin
#

idk if i fully agree with that second thingy

#

like some biomes should def have more content suited for certain stages

#

but having like

pliant ruin
#

no content in some biomes at any point feels really weird

#

like

north wigeon
#

which is why i cited their words

pliant ruin
#

if you stumble upon the biome it's just

north wigeon
#

not mine

pliant ruin
#

empty

spring helm
#

i do hope some rework comes to the evil and hallow biomes
i feel like more should change with the addition of more essence added to the biomes after breaking WoF than just the biomes expanding

pliant ruin
#

like yeah its fair that you don't want TOO much, say, idk, post ml desert content per example (random example)

#

but you also shouldn't have

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no post ml desert content

north wigeon
sonic basin
pliant ruin
#

cuz it just makes the world feel dead

north wigeon
#

but considering how packed postml and hm are already

#

it's uh

#

not likely

pliant ruin
#

well

#

post ml isn't really that packed

#

wait

#

nvm

#

misread my bad yeah

#

it has alot of bosses

#

it just lacks on like

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everything else

sonic basin
#

Post-ml has quite literally EVERYTHING packed in it

spare pier
#

There are at least 5 new enemies in Evil Biomes after WoF

spring helm
#

i meant more like

mighty zenith
#

the thing that mainly changes is the underground

spring helm
#

environmental change

sonic basin
north wigeon
spare pier
#

And half of Early HM is Evil Biome drops

north wigeon
#

postml in cal is, well

#

kind of just a boss rush imo

pliant ruin
#

post ml in cal is like 5 new enemies

#

and acid rain tier 3 that one is cool

#

only one post ml event isnt doing it any favours though

spare pier
sonic basin
#

wish we'd see an event in a Calamity biome, I don't care which

pliant ruin
#

i mean we have acid rain

#

but yeah we rly could use

#

more events

sonic basin
#

a new Event

spare pier
#

Like, I must always remind people that Cal already has enough things that need improvement that we just can't go and fix all Vanilla problems on top of it

pliant ruin
#

given we have one

pliant ruin
#

the subject at hand here isn't a vanilla issue

#

i'm sure that we'll get more content for post ml eventually tho

spare pier
#

And also the thing of "All Biomes get amped after HM" is kind of not real

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

it's mostly real

spare pier
#

Evil Biomes and Jungle get stuff

pliant ruin
#

some of them don't

#

like

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

all of them except like

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granite biome

#

and uhhh

#

i don't know, ocean?

#

but like. it's the ocean

north wigeon
spare pier
#

Actually Underground and Tundra also get plenty of significant things

north wigeon
#

go to thorium for that one

pliant ruin
#

basically every biome does

spare pier
#

Still, that's 4 Biomes out of

#

Like, 11

sonic basin
#

I'm mainly praying for something like an Astral biome Event...or maybe just a slight rework that will finally leave my tundra biome in peace

pliant ruin
#

reb i'm sorry but like literally almost every biome gets atleast 1 new enemy

#

and that's a minimum

spare pier
#

That's not meaningful content in the slightlest

pliant ruin
#

the problem here isn't it being ''meaningful" it's it not being there

#

like

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

cal legitimately barely adds any content to non-cal biomes let alone during post ml

#

as i said

#

it's completely reasonable for

#

some aspects of the game or biomes to not be the focus at any given point

frozen zodiac
#

desert has great sand shrak

pliant ruin
#

but not having basically anything or a incredibly low amount of new content just makes the world feel

#

well

#

dead

north wigeon
#

wait hm

#

hold that

spare pier
#

Look, I agree that other Biomes could get some stuff, but I believe it's much more important to add content with actual substance instead of "have this enemy that does nothing except exist and you're never finding it unless you actively search for it"

pliant ruin
#

well but does it hurt anybody

spare pier
#

Yes, it does

north wigeon
#

wait yeah that's an infernum thing

#

ass successfully covered

spare pier
#

We are spending time that could be spent adding much more important content

sonic basin
north wigeon
#

also note to self: cover ass before making statements

pliant ruin
#

Well of course there's priorities

spare pier
frozen zodiac
#

tbh maybe some biomes just, dont need more content in HM and/or Post ML
like im fine with the forest being almost always safe, apart from the sunken sea the desert doesn't do that much for the story

pliant ruin
#

But like

#

does making a few new enemies really take that much time lol

sonic basin
pliant ruin
#

like we got slab crab last update

#

couldn't we just get things like that but for other biomes

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

and from what i've seen alot of work in cal is put into like weapons and stuff

#

i could be entirely wrong

frozen zodiac
#

at least this isnt a minecraft mob vote situation am i right HAHA, HA

pliant ruin
#

but if it is the case i personally think that weapons and such could be a little less prioritized

spare pier
pliant ruin
#

well i didn't say to add them all at once did i

#

again slab crab was just like

#

a little guy

#

in a single update

#

could just do that but for other biomes

#

add one or two new guys there from time to time

spare pier
#

You didn't, I'm just saying that it's not work that we could do with the snap of our fingers, specially because unlike weapons, which we are reworking, we'd be adding enemies

pliant ruin
#

I'm aware yall fcant

#

manifest stuff into existence

#

but like

#

this has been a thing in calamity for basically its entire lifespan

#

so it's not like

north wigeon
#

can't wait for my great grandkids to discover the Scrimblo Scrunkly in the granite biome after being instructed on how to beat Yharim by their grandfather

pliant ruin
#

anybody is rushing you to add more enemies or whatever

#

plus i'm not a programmer but i think

#

depending on the enemy itself

#

it's probably easier to add a enemy than rework a weapon

#

atleast on the programming side of things

#

i could ask aza idk

sonic basin
frozen zodiac
#

you have to think what the enemy adds to that biome too, don't want a glow squid situation where they don't do basically anything or worse could be easily replaced by another material if they drop something

spare pier
#

Not complaining about the second half tho, I'm all in for enemies to actually Exist

#

But you have to consider that someone would need to learn it all, and sometimes they just don't want to

pliant ruin
#

Because minecraft not only has much fewer mobs

#

but has alot more mobs that r just ambient

north wigeon
sonic basin
#

I know, thats what I was joking about aswell

spare pier
#

Yeah, Terraria can just add shit for the sake of it because if an enemy literally only exists for one drop that's fine by me

spring helm
spare pier
#

Like, Red Devils

#

They literally only exist to drop one weapon and be a pain in the ass

#

But it's fine

north wigeon
#

ah yes

#

the enemy ever

spare pier
#

Multiple enemies drop those

frozen zodiac
#

i still dont get why the rune wizard has the highest non boss contact damage in vanilla

pliant ruin
#

i think the ice biome guys from hardmode are cool

spring helm
#

real talk i forget they exist in vanilla because i never went back to the underworld in my vanilla playthrough

sonic basin
#

wait for real?

north wigeon
#

they have infinity dev time over the span of 10 years and also work on this shit full time

#

they can prolly afford to goof around

pliant ruin
#

they're a fun concept that fits nicely in tthe biome (unlike some other calamity enemies) and also fit well with the mod's lore simultaneously

spare pier
pliant ruin
#

it'd be cool if they got resprites given they're

#

pretty dated

#

well ice claspers got one

#

and they're really cool looking now

#

so those are fine

spare pier
#

I mean in Vanilla

pliant ruin
#

it's mostly just the cryons and aurora spirits or whatever they're called

#

oh the vanilla ice b iome guys

#

yeah they

spare pier
#

"Oh yeah what if we make several Ice Biome enemies and then give all of them ONE DROP?"

#

"For ONE CLASS????"

pliant ruin
#

have some strange loot

#

frozen turtle shell is neat but then like

#

all of the others basically only drop ice staff

#

and sickle

#

tbf calamity makes atleast two of them drop essence of eleum so that's atleast a plus

#

i rly like the calamity hardmode ice biome guys they're one of the only instances of new vanilla biome enemies in calamity that imo are executed well

#

again they simultaneously fit with the mod's lore and don't feel out of place in their biomes like

#

profaned enemies or plague enemies

#

i'm a big fan of them, even if their sprites are really old and dated

sonic basin
#

oh, I also had to as since I've been playing to much Calamity and now have accumulated a small number of these....What IS the Rock?

random mulch
#

random pebble from the dragon's aerie

north wigeon
frozen zodiac
#

i think melee already has enough fucking weapons and the other classes should get more

random mulch
#

xeroc just kinda kept it

spare pier
#

I do have to say that I don't enjoy the mentality that every Biome should be relevant at all points in progression

#

That's what I call Jungle Syndrome

north wigeon
#

what was the devs' reasoning on not doing a Plagued Jungle mini biome again

spring helm
#

you will need it to reach yharim

pliant ruin
#

I don't think they should

#

Not all biomes need to be relevant

#

some def should have like

#

points of the game they're most prevalent in

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

but i also don't think most biomes (save for some of the shitty minibiomes and stuff nobody cares about) should have like

#

no or barely any content at any given point

spare pier
pliant ruin
#

yeah but they still feel really out of place

#

i think

#

profaned enemies would work better

#

if they just

spare pier
#

Yeah, that's

pliant ruin
#

spawned everywhere

spare pier
#

The point hdflr

pliant ruin
#

like wulfrum enemies but

#

post ml

spare pier
#

Plague Enemies ARE out of place

pliant ruin
#

plague enemies would fit better if there was any visual indication on the enviroment itself of the plague

#

like

#

maybe small patches of plague blocks here and there

north wigeon
#

i feel like profaned enemies could just do with staying in hell
might as well technically count as spicing up the underworld

spare pier
#

Y'know what this is pretty much the easiest way of doing the "Plague Biome"

spring helm
#

providence gotta be dumb as a box of bricks honestly
sis watched us kill moon lord, the being that caused the end of the dragons (and she knows very well how strong they were), kill her guardians, and then thinks

"yeah i got this i can take them"

pliant ruin
#

idk it feels strange for provi guys to only be in the underworld

#

given

#

narratively

#

they're like

#

a globally distributed cult

#

shouldn't they just be like

#

everywhere

north wigeon
sonic basin
pliant ruin
#

no spreading biomes no spreading biomews NO SPREADING BIOMES

spare pier
#

It's better to focus your conquer efforts on one place, tho

pliant ruin
#

NO SPREADING BIO

spring helm
#

why not cheese

#

pretty please with a cherry on top?

frozen zodiac
#

I HATE THE HALLOW SPAWNING IN THE JUNGLE WHEN THE INFECTION DOESNT FUCKING WORK THERE

north wigeon
spare pier
#

If we have a Plague Minibiome, it's not spreading

pliant ruin
#

yeah astral dosen't spread

north wigeon
#

spreading biomes is mindnumbingly bad and boring to try and tackle

frozen zodiac
#

hallow should never and i mean NEVER spawn on the jungle side i swear to god

spare pier
#

I don't think there is a single person in the entire world who likes spreading biomes

pliant ruin
#

there are unfortunately

#

i've seen them

#

they're insane

spare pier
#

Damn

frozen zodiac
#

literally every other major biome can be infected by now EXCEPT THE HALLOW AND JUNGLE TOGETHER

north wigeon
frozen zodiac
#

and it somehow happens repeatedly to me

sonic basin
north wigeon
#

and because they DON'T SPREAD

#

you spray it once and it's gone forever

pliant ruin
#

average bygone evil user (me

#

begone evil

sonic basin
#

yeah, and Lose access to my Astral pillar?

pliant ruin
#

thats the word

pliant ruin
north wigeon
frozen zodiac
#

what if there was just a post cal final boss tool that cleanses the entire world

north wigeon
#

npcs i mean

#

not souls, obviously

sonic basin
vocal spire
warm gull
autumn mirage
warm gull
#

I don't even use a ckentaminator

#

As soon as hardmode starts I grab all the ebonsand I've been saving and place it sporadically through the jungle to relax

spring helm
#

man what

#

you're like yharim

#

but even yharim cared about the dragons or something

jaunty wraith
#

When I start hardmode, I leave the game open until the next day to let the hallow and evils spread throughout

pliant ruin
#

when i start hardmode i kill yharim

hoary berry
#

when i start hardmode my game crashes because i forget to do the fix for that bug :(

frozen zodiac
#

when i start hardmode this playthrough im booking it to the jungle to see if i got fucked over by the hallow again

split mortar
#

When I go into hardmode I don’t care for the evil biome spread and just play the game

#

Normally stays in control enough I don’t need to clean it

half roost
#

When I start hardmode, first thing I do is buy 4000 bombs from the demolitionist and barricade the evil AND the hallow

#

The purity shall reign!

#

(Astral infection can stay.)

pliant ruin
#

i dont do any preparing for evil biomes or hallwo

#

because i just use begone evil SmugRyo

random mulch
#

working on my own DoG so here's some early rambling with no labels

random mulch
half roost
pliant ruin
#

mod that disables biome spread

half roost
half roost
pliant ruin
#

Literally the only qol mod i use because biome spread is a forsaken evil stupid game mechanic that i want to blow up

#

everything else is ok.

random mulch
#

the mandibles are also designed to fit into weird grooves on DoG's head to hide how long they actually are

half roost
#

Sounds cool, but I actually like blocking off the evil and hallow

#

I like building a connection with my worlds

#

My infernum character has over a hundred hours and still hasn't even beaten Anahita & the Leviathan

split mortar
#

Oh damn

#

You play a lot slower then me

half roost
#

Yeah, I like to chill.

#

Focusing on building is how I spend my time

#

My hallow village :D

#

(Princess hasn't moved in yet)

random mulch
#

i'm gonna keep some of the things phase 1 has like the spine (though i'm making it less pronounced)

#

also, mandible structure

simple lodge
#

Oh dude i just realised why the sunken sea is bellow dessert

#

cause it used to be a sea creature

thorn ruin
#

Yeah it was an ocean but Calamitas was ordered to pretty much get rid of it. She did so making above a desert and what she didn’t hit was the sunken sea

pliant ruin
#

the surface desert wasn't sunken sea

#

like

#

that part was always a desert

#

but the underground desert (most of it anyways) yeah

spring helm
#

so yeah most of the underground desert was part of the sunken sea

scenic olive
#

My theory is that astral is a form of a supermatter

#

its a very stable form of mana that is formed by dying stars

brittle badge
#

Is providence a goddess in the way they are a "yharim will kill you on sight" auric type goddess or are they called a goddess just as a title of power

eager bluff
#

auric

brittle badge
#

what abput slime god

pliant ruin
#

both

#

both are auric gods

untold bluff
#

What if ascending basically springlocked xeroc's mask to his face and he can't remove it because it's part of his face now

split mortar
#

Apart from deus all gods are the actual definition of the cal god, auric soul suck

split mortar
scenic olive
#

yeah but its mana

split mortar
#

Don’t know much about it other then the kursgasact video from a while ago

#

Magic strange matter

scenic olive
#

a star is probably just mana taking a form of matter

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then as they die out they lose a lot of mana

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some of this 'mana' matter may take the form of astral infection because its much more stable than the regular matter