lore-discussion

[scenic olive]

my headcanon is that the name Ravager was given because the last thing the God of Sacrifices followers see is their members Ravaged by their own God

[devout grove]

would yharim be pleased that we kill some gods for him?

[rotund shore]

Him seeing is goal be even closer to realized must satisfy him, even if it’s still not enough in his eyes

[scenic olive]

Calamitas :

bro done a good job

still capped as a traitor

[devout grove]

i wanna know whos left other than Xeroc

[rotund shore]

Only Silva and xeroc, really

Silva is unkillable is the thing

Unless you like, destroy all life

[devout grove]

but did Silva take an auric soul?

[rotund shore]

Yeah, she did

[devout grove]

ah ok

[rotund shore]

Otherwise she wouldn’t be a god

[scenic olive]

Dragon of Life

[glacial rampart]

the lore doc has everything

[devout grove]

oh ok i see

[scenic olive]

Then there would be Dragon of Death

[devout grove]

i havent read it for a while

[scenic olive]

which is the soul God of Sacrifice used

[rotund shore]

Which is super mega impossible

[scenic olive]

Draedon with prep time :

[devout grove]

/kill @e{type=Xeroc}

[rotund shore]

Tbf even the exo mechs couldn’t destroy all life

And the plague simply couldn’t spread EVERYWHERE

[scenic olive]

Id like to think the domain

Life domain

Only covers the terraria planet

[devout grove]

yeah they were destroyed by a random mortal that woke up and decided to become all powerful without becoming a god

[scenic olive]

Outside of that

it doesnt count as 'lofe'

'life'

[calm patio]

130*

[scenic olive]

boomer old man

[devout grove]

how powerful would the terrarian be with an auric soul?

[scenic olive]

which soul

there was lot of auric souls

well there is one left

[devout grove]

say the zeatros or whoever. or Yharons

i mean we can already respawn

[scenic olive]

it depends really

[devout grove]

so like

[scenic olive]

respawn arent canon rahhhh

[devout grove]

shhhh

lol

ok

[calm patio]

[devout grove]

take Yharons. now you can canonically respawn (or rebirth ig)

[scenic olive]

you usually doesnt get the main domain

only part of it

[devout grove]

we build different

[calm patio]

thats the neat part

you dont

[rotund shore]

I kind of want to do a playthrough where I try to be as canon compliant as possible, for example, no boss refights outside of the few canon ones, etc. etc.

[woeful patio]

God of Birth

[scenic olive]

[devout grove]

btw do we canonically kill yharon? or will he rebirth

[rotund shore]

Technically I could refight yharon IF I wait 10 years

[calm patio]

@earnest flare i summon you

[calm patio]

he'll rebirth

[devout grove]

so he just cant die unless he chooses not to rebirth?

[earnest flare]

hf;ljdsfhasjdfh;akdfa

[calm patio]

uh

[earnest flare]

DONT DO THIS

[scenic olive]

i dont think he can choose

[calm patio]

he cant choose

[rotund shore]

He rebirths automatically id imagine

[earnest flare]

DO NOT TRY TO BE LORE ACCURATE

WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE

[devout grove]

then after we kill him why doesnt he just like, come back?

[vernal jewel]

there's canon boss refights?

[rotund shore]

Is it THAT bad?

[earnest flare]

yes

[rotund shore]

Scal, and yharon technically

I feel like EoC probably is canon too

King slime also

[earnest flare]

theres a couple others

[vernal jewel]

just uhh...

[rotund shore]

Actually for eoc and king slime could I only do natural spawns

And AS too

[devout grove]

slime god too, he flees

[vernal jewel]

buy the boss bag from the operator in order to not refight some bosses if you want to be canon accurate

[earnest flare]

umm

not really AS

[rotund shore]

Alch npc lame and removes this entire facet from the challenge

[devout grove]

operator isnt canon lol

[earnest flare]

yharim calls aquatic scourge the last sane creature in the sulphuric sea, implying that it is also the last

[earnest flare]

other mods arent canon

[rotund shore]

I meant AS in terms of one’s where I’d have to use natural spawns, not refights

[scenic olive]

Do you think if EoC was given more time itll grow stronger

[earnest flare]

except for the music mod

[vernal jewel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest flare]

if aquatic scourge is the last of his kind then you only get to fight him once

[devout grove]

guys infernum is just calamity if the bosses had more prep time

[rotund shore]

So, what bosses could I refight?

[earnest flare]

yes i am saying fight because you cant lose and then fight him again

hardcore after all

[woeful patio]

For Yharon you gotta wait at least 100 in-game years for it to be cannon

[scenic olive]

a decade

[rotund shore]

Oh right hardcore would have to be done

Nvm not doing this

[scenic olive]

[vernal jewel]

hardcore master infernum would be insane

[rotund shore]

You can’t do infernum on master

[scenic olive]

why would people say infernum is harder than base calamity

[rotund shore]

Because…overall it is?

[devout grove]

eye (there are multiple, according to guide i think), king slime, slime god, planterea (multiple bulbs), yharon, scal

[woeful patio]

Yeah idk master death is alot harder, Infernum is hard but enjoyable

[scenic olive]

I feel like old master calamity is actually harder than infernum

[woeful patio]

Master Skeletron Prime is Bullshit

[scenic olive]

TRUE

[woeful patio]

I can't even get hallowed

[devout grove]

i agree

[rotund shore]

Master death is harder for mostly vanilla bosses

[rotund shore]

The shimmer in question:

[earnest flare]

every pre-hm boss until slime god
brimmy??? (idk why but it was a dev statement)
golem
cultist apparently???
folly
guardians before fighting providence
polterghast?
scal

[earnest flare]

lmao thats all i had to say

god i didnt even have to bring up how you literally cant fight the exos

or how HORRIBLE yharon is

[rotund shore]

You
Huh??

[sinful adder]

Elementals never truly die unless the planet is destroyed

[earnest flare]

say, you know of an "auric quantum cooling cell"?

yeah that requires endothermic energy

which isnt canon

[rotund shore]

Oh my god

[scenic olive]

NOOOOO

[devout grove]

how

[woeful patio]

💀

[earnest flare]

and endothermic energy being non-canon is only half of why yharon SUCKS

[rotund shore]

Well in that case one of the two final bosses is impossible so in my eyes this challenge is impossible

[scenic olive]

it is going to be changed

[earnest flare]

because nightmare fuel ALSO isnt canon!!!

[devout grove]

ah

[scenic olive]

for now its just a placeholder

Sort of

[earnest flare]

oh yeah on a side note

[rotund shore]

So uh, damn

[earnest flare]

the codebreaker upgrade before the cooling cell is also impossible

[sinful adder]

did you know like almost all of the post moon lord and post DoG ranger weapons are donor items?

[earnest flare]

uelibloom isnt canon

[rotund shore]

Mannn

[scenic olive]

say what you want but Tyranny End is canon

[devout grove]

guys we need more vanilla calamity whips

[sinful adder]

(or almost all the useful ones, at least)

[rotund shore]

I just use catalyst for whips

[earnest flare]

are you starting to understand why i greatly regret attempting the challenge?

[rotund shore]

Yeah this is dogshit

It’s a cute idea on paper but nvm it’s pain

[devout grove]

i didnt know catalyst had whips till i beat scal lol (i was also using the goozma mod and ND mod)

[rotund shore]

Did you not notice things like snapthorn and spinal tap being listed as “material”?

[devout grove]

no lol. this was my first summoner playthrough in general so I didt notice that

[earnest flare]

oh yeah did i mention that ASE not being canon just straight up robs you of all post-dog armor?

[rotund shore]

ASE?

[earnest flare]

you're left using omega blue for damage, bloodflare for general, or solar for tanking

[earnest flare]

ascendant spirit essence

[devout grove]

ascended spirt essence

[rotund shore]

Oh right

Ughhh

[earnest flare]

🐌

[devout grove]

ye that

[sinful adder]

no it is canon. It's just going to be found somewhere else

[devout grove]

prob through the distortion

[earnest flare]

that "somewhere else" is not accessible in game dipshit

[rotund shore]

Still, in its current mechanical state, it isn’t canon

[sinful adder]

its the stuff DoG sends to the distortion

ok, then it is canon but the method of obtaining it isn't

[devout grove]

why send it there tho

[earnest flare]

i mean yeah

[rotund shore]

Yeah, so it would be banned for this challenge

[sinful adder]

it would be obtainable canonically, but not through the way you get it in game

[earnest flare]

... not neccesarily

[rotund shore]

Because that’s just how it’s “digestive system” works, godly essence just gets sent else where

[sinful adder]

to feed the secret evil final boss that isn't in the game yet

[earnest flare]

like nightmare fuel and endothermic energy, it might not be in the same state it currently is when the distortion releases

[devout grove]

also why cant we just follow the DoG to the distortion when he opens a portal there

[scenic olive]

its actually the guide

[devout grove]

there are theories that its Noxus

[scenic olive]

Hes the culprit behind it all

[sinful adder]

because that would require adding the distortion and that isn't done yet

[sinful adder]

to this

[scenic olive]

Is killing noxus justified

[devout grove]

would be sick af

[scenic olive]

i mean

[sinful adder]

those theories are 100% correct, yes.

[scenic olive]

hes just chilling

[devout grove]

Hes a dark god so why not lol

[rotund shore]

Noxus is, from everything we know, evil

Although we don’t know very much

[earnest flare]

he is gathering all the god essence in the entire world through dog...

[scenic olive]

okay name one evil thing he did

[sinful adder]

It is a creature that poses a threat to all life, so yes.

[earnest flare]

he cant be up to any good

[calm patio]

old lore chief

[scenic olive]

[rotund shore]

Dark gods don’t exist GRAHHH

dark god is such an edgy term

[sinful adder]

you should read the new lore document because most stuff is changed

[devout grove]

i will later ig

[earnest flare]

the worst part is that noxus isnt even a god 😭

[devout grove]

tf is he then

[calm patio]

nobody knows

[earnest flare]

not a god

[sinful adder]

noxus is stronger than a god, a god is a specific thing in calamity lore

[rotund shore]

Noxus is just some boogeyman ig we don’t know Jack shit

[devout grove]

just a blob of darkness

[rotund shore]

It might just be a very strong distortion creature

[earnest flare]

noxus could be just some random guy who took up home in the distortion

[scenic olive]

Noxus is actually Xeroc from the future and become evil

[sinful adder]

he's a creature from another dimension/universe/thing

[devout grove]

Noxus is the friends we made along the way

[earnest flare]

how do you spell noxus backwards though

[sinful adder]

in calamity, a god is something that absorbed a dragon's soul with a special ritual

(a human almost always)

[rotund shore]

I wish this mod had more events then acid rain, acid rain, and acid rain

[devout grove]

other than scal and yharim, is the terrarian one of the most powerful mortals? (after scals defeat)

[sinful adder]

no way
noxus kills you with ligma, I should have known

[sinful adder]

yes

[devout grove]

boss rush lel

[earnest flare]

who the hell is steve jobs

[sinful adder]

probably the most powerful besides yharim. Although, gods are "mortal" in a sense. This also only works if you make combat skill count as power.

[devout grove]

i mean we best everyone we fight

[scenic olive]

Gods among men

[earnest flare]

i mean it depends on if noxus is mortal or not (there is no confirmation on if noxus is mortal)

[rotund shore]

Primordial wyrm has more destructive power then yharim iirc, but due to not being as intelligent, is realistically weaker then yharim

[scenic olive]

Or Men among Gods

[earnest flare]

honestly theres a lot of things you can just assume about noxus but then just get stumped when you realize that theres no confirmation

[devout grove]

so far Yharim, Noxus and Xeroc are the only ones we havent bested yet. however he have bested the challenge Xeroc gave us

[earnest flare]

no we havent

[rotund shore]

Is boss rush even canon yet

[earnest flare]

xeroc challenged us to get stronger to hear his proposal of marriage

[rotund shore]

I imagine it will be after yharim is added

[earnest flare]

we have not done that

[earnest flare]

it is

no outdated dialogue

[devout grove]

we beat the challenge, didnt get the proposal becuase we dont have the right power level yet. even tho 20 million power in rise of kingdoms should be good

[earnest flare]

no actually most people have high standards for marriage why would xeroc propose after one test

[rotund shore]

Xeroc probably doesn’t just care about getting a big strong partner, we need to be kind and funny too smh

[devout grove]

my theroy is that the proposal is we get strong enough and Xeroc tells us how to obtain an auric soul

[earnest flare]

ok but like
yharon is dead at the moment

[devout grove]

he comes back through rebirth

[earnest flare]

it takes him 10 years to rebirth

[sinful adder]

He would never do that. There is only one left, and yharon is not coming back for another 10 years at least

[rotund shore]

It would actually be so funny if marrying Xeroc was the ending, even if it makes zero sense

[scenic olive]

Gfb

[earnest flare]

sounds like something that ccr would do

[rotund shore]

TRUE!

[earnest flare]

alter the ending dialogue to make it 20x more awkward

[sinful adder]

the real answer is probably that he will tell us about noxus and that he needs us to go kill noxus in the distortion while he protects the regular world

[rotund shore]

Fandom wiki shit is so funny

[earnest flare]

i cried at the part where fanny rejected noxus' own proposal

[earnest flare]

actually the whole "get stronger" thing is to make sure that you're not just someone who attaches themself to him for power

because gold diggers suck ive heard

idk i dont do relationships

[rotund shore]

And then Fanny, that scumbag objected to the Weddingwhen me and xeroc got married

Fanny killed my grandma

I need to play CCR whenever the gen update drops

Or did it already release

[woeful patio]

My head cannon is that Yharim real name is Jake and decided to change name after meeting Yharon

[calm patio]

fandom wiki sucks

[sinful adder]

its kinda funny

[calm patio]

nah its the definition of insanity of seeing people posting it over and over

[glacial rampart]

seeing weird stuff from the fandom wiki was funny like

the first few times

now its just annoying

like omg yharim worm !!! 😂 😂 😂 lolllolol!!!!!

[magic epoch]

idk i think this is funny

[glacial rampart]

it relies entirely on lulz so random humor

which 99% of the time

sucks

theres some actually funny stuff but thats the stuff people constantly repost because everything is trying to hard to be funny

[magic epoch]

like old duke being removed content

[woeful patio]

Chat, what's the auric soul of this

[scenic olive]

Auric soul of blades

[magic epoch]

a small bit from every auric soul, with the exception of zeratros', as that was a perfect ascension and no soul was left behind (im waffling i have no clue if that's how that could work)

[vernal jewel]

"Press alt-f4 once Calamitas is at 5% hp"

[sinful adder]

Is this requirements to spare bosses or something

[cloud ibex]

One of the few funny fandom moments was the time someone made a page titled “cringe” whose only contents were a picture of markiplier pointing at the camera and the word “you”

[swift badger]

Why is the player so strong?

[mighty zenith]

Basically everything about the player is up to you to think about

they're a blank slate for you to insert whatever you want into

[swift badger]

I see

[scenic olive]

my character can destroy the planet

given enough prep time

still dies to a slime

[cloud ibex]

Good for them I think

[scenic olive]

[cloud ibex]

Maybe not that last part but

[swift badger]

Batman

[dense lynx]

What is Yharim's sword called?

[scenic olive]

Tyrant Yharmic Ultisword

[random mulch]

angry yellow man's angry yellow sword

[buoyant inlet]

My-grandma-gifted-it-to-me-when-i-was-10 sword

[unborn anvil]

some angry dudes cool as fuck and extremely large and inconvinient for anyone else to swing big ass yellow fuck off sword which will violently kill you to death which he was gifted lol also dude has a dead dragon now lol-sword

thats the full name trust

[scenic olive]

Throngler

speaking of swords

is this still too big

[hoary berry]

personally i imagine yharim's sword to be around the same size as holy collider is when the player wields it

[buoyant inlet]

Wel try to put Terrarian sprite near it for scale

To see if it's big

[scenic olive]

should i scale it twice before comparing them

holy shit its big

[buoyant inlet]

Scale it down yes

Well, Terrarian

Or you can scale up the sword

[scenic olive]

im just gonna redesign it

[pliant ruin]

oh god

someone made a calamity mod lore video

i hope it's good but my gut tells me it's gonna either be old lore or media literacy devil

[hoary berry]

teeduck?

[pliant ruin]

yes

right off the bat i don't like how the video is designed

too many jokes going on

he's calling yharim the main character and portraying xeroc exclusively as a villain

[hoary berry]

there's a comment pinned that goes over a few misconceptions but i think that comment has a misonception itself

[pliant ruin]

ye

it says dog was the reason for yharim to turn into a tyrant

like

[hoary berry]

i was just about to mention that

[pliant ruin]

man he was always fucked up.... the worm didnt do nothin...

[spare pier]

Remember: This isn't ingame

I did mention a few times before but I don't like how this perception of Yharim comes exclusively from this chat, because this means that the view people have of Yharim was massively influenced by what Developers said

[pliant ruin]

That is true to be fair

But also like over half of the people who think yharim isn't that bad insist on him being not that bad even when being very clearly shown He Is Very Bad

I think not knowing is fine the problem is when you actively ignore people telling you otherwise

[spare pier]

Eh, I think he's done a damn fucking good job at hiding his crimes

Like, yeah, we always mention the part he torched civillians

But what he says is

"I had troops specialized in burning places of worship"

[pliant ruin]

That's not what i mean tho

I mean like

Alot of the time

When active lore members try explaining to other ppl that

yes yharim is a terrible person, he isn't morally gray, he was always bad

[spare pier]

Though yeah I do agree people are

Very adamant on proving he isn't bad

[pliant ruin]

people just go "WELL YOU SEE I THINK HE'S NOT THAT BAD" (proceeds to ignore everything we just told them)

[spare pier]

Because he "regrets his actions"

Which, btw I rewrote Gruesome Eminence's tooltip

Specifically so Cal says

"Yeah he was kinda always an asshole"

Yharim's point isn't that he was a noble crusader or anything anyways

It's that Gods were bad enough that, to him, everything was justified

Yharim isn't the hero, and he knows it. But everyone else is way worse so it's fine

That's how I view it, at least

At least that's the question I want to make to people

Do you agree with Yharim, not that he was right, but that Gods really were that bad?

Was he a necessary evil?

[scenic olive]

nah id kill him

purge everyone

Providence mindset

[latent hamlet]

I don't think there is anyone I would put as necessary evil other than draedon

[scenic olive]

how is draedon necessary evil

[lean crag]

Draedon specifically isn’t evil

He’s amoral

Without morals entirely

[latent hamlet]

Draedon has emotions..probably
But he has complete control over them
That alone makes him the most dangerous character

[lean crag]

And that does make him, dangerous

He’s entirely self interested

[scenic olive]

bro what youre doing is wrong

and?

-draedon , probably not giving a shit

[pliant ruin]

i'm a necessary evil

[latent hamlet]

Btw
Am I the only one that thinks exo mechs are actually the iterations of draedon

How does it make sense that it would give you draedon's heart when you kill them

[pliant ruin]

i mean it probably dosen't

videogame moment

it's a cool headcanon tho

[latent hamlet]

Yeah
It wouldn't really clash with the lore that much either
We know he can split his consciousness

[woeful patio]

I love the fact that Yharim crossed the line in slavery, when he committed genocide

[scenic olive]

Yharim should die the way he was born

[cloud ibex]

i like to go with the theory that, as opposed to most other boss weapon drops lore wise being things the player crafts out of the boss' corpse monster hunter style, Draedon quite literally gives you the weapon drops and such directly as a reward for being a good test subject

[scenic olive]

by getting tossed back into lava

Yharim was born the moment the gods threw him away

and now im gonna finish their job

[cloud ibex]

in which case maybe he's like "here, have a copy of my primary circulatory organ, modified for organic use"

[latent hamlet]

It's pretty clear that we invented most of the craftable weapons and items

[pliant ruin]

Draedon, unprompted: You have my heart.
The terrarian: huh
Draedon: I mean literally. Here you go.

[pliant ruin]

I imagine it goes for most of the dropped boss items too tbh

Like i think its safe to say that canonically the terrarian probably makes the desert scourge weapons out of the desert scourge's corpse and all that

[latent hamlet]

I mean
It wouldn't make sense for bosses to carry a whole armory on their bag for literally nothing

[pliant ruin]

ye lol

some boss drops r literally just body parts too

like leviathan's teeth

or thanatos spine

[urban hedge]

There are obviously some exceptions though (like Atlantis)

Probably Anahita's Arpeggio too

[latent hamlet]

It's pretty scary when you look at it this way
Terrarian probably has never seen yharim's image
Yet they proceed to make iterations of his armor which is by far the most efficient armor made by auric

[scenic olive]

Genius

Terrarian designing knowledge is the embodiment of "it was revealed to me in a dream"

[urban hedge]

Idk about the Auric armor you create being by far the most efficient tbh

Especially since it's not like there's a good way to tell how good Yharim's armor is, including before it got exo upgrades

[scenic olive]

Its more updated and modernized i guess

[latent hamlet]

I mean
Tho we have a better one that is created?
The only reason yharim would have super high defense is because he is the final boss
And it definitely will

[scenic olive]

i mean it would make sense

it has been some time after Yharim got his armor

[urban hedge]

That does depend on the player character's lore, to some extent

[scenic olive]

The main factor that makes so much difference is probably just Auric Rejection

[latent hamlet]

Actually
Thinking about it
It might actually be even better knowing the effects of this armor
But auric armor is not even the best armor we get

[pale mango]

Ok what is the devourer of gods?

[hoary berry]

a serpent from another dimension called the distortion

[pale mango]

So he’s a snake and not a worm

[hoary berry]

he serves a mysterious entity, who is not named in-game but is known as noxus here

[pale mango]

Truly a shame, but also isn’t because snakes are cool

[random mulch]

not a snake or worm
just serpent

[pale mango]

Aren’t serpents snakes?

Like just cooler snakes?

[random mulch]

distortion serpents like DoG or storm weaver are weird and competely unrelated to snakes

[pale mango]

Ok

So what is the distortion?

[random mulch]

another dimension

[pale mango]

And by chance does it have to do with giratina?

[random mulch]

it's probably a reference, yeah

[pliant ruin]

They're called serpents but they're not literal serpents

[pale mango]

It’d be hilarious if Yharim was added and he just shows up riding on the back of giratina

[random mulch]

yharim isnt really connected to the distortion

[pliant ruin]

if anything he seems scared of it

based on ceaseless void

[random mulch]

moreso scared of noxus

[amber cedar]

yea

its noxsus

[buoyant inlet]

He's being from another world

I don't think anything of those applies to him

But he's more of a snake than worm

[delicate oak]

what does the astral biome and its enemies have anything to do with the lore?

[mighty zenith]

the astral infection is what happens when a dead star begins to bloat from mana

astrum deus exists to eat dead stars and birth new ones

deus didn't eat this one in time, got infected and was forced to throw the meteor that contained the astral at terraria

[pliant ruin]

astral is kind of self contained tbh

like in terms of lore

[mighty zenith]

it's also incredibly recent

[pliant ruin]

its one of the few things that has almost no direct ties with yharim and the crusade and etc

[mighty zenith]

as it happens literally during the playthrough

[delicate oak]

astral is more of a "side quests" i think

[mighty zenith]

unlike 99% of things in the world that were already there before the terrarian shows up

[real silo]

this also means draedon designed aureus really fucking recently

[mighty zenith]

I don't think he did very recently

[real silo]

Which means possible exo tech aureus

[mighty zenith]

aureus was only sent to the astral recently

[delicate oak]

its not really connected to yharim (astrum deus not being a god or descent from dragon)

[mighty zenith]

the aureus models could've existed for decades

[real silo]

didn't he specifically design aureus to have more armor against astral

[mighty zenith]

lemme read draetalk to make sure but i dont think so

oh nvm its literally the first line lmao

[delicate oak]

and still managed to get infected due to it not being a "sapient mind"

[pliant ruin]

I think he reinforced aureus

but he didn't specifically made it for the astral

From what i understood aureus was just a model of surveillance machine he has had and he made some modifications to resist the infection to one of them and sent then there

[mighty zenith]

no he says it was intended to nullify its effects

[pliant ruin]

and then said model got infected

[mighty zenith]

so this specific aureus model was prepared

to check out the astral

[pliant ruin]

ye so like

i think the base model itself isnt for astral specifically

but he modified this one to be

[mighty zenith]

yep thats exactly what he says

[delicate oak]

if exo mechs took around ~600 years to build all, is aureus younger or older?

[pliant ruin]

did they take 600 years

[leaden bridge]

They didn't

[pliant ruin]

that's like

did draedon even exist for that long

:p

[mighty zenith]

they were made to match yharim's strength

[leaden bridge]

They needed 600 years of research to Be Built, they didn't take 600 years to build

[mighty zenith]

they couldnt have been planned for that long

[leaden bridge]

Different things

[delicate oak]

maybe I included the part where he researches yharims army and the exo prisms

[leaden bridge]

Like the modern cruiser doesn't take thousands of years to build, it took thousands of years to develop to a point where you can build the modern cruiser

[delicate oak]

or must misread it

[mighty zenith]

"The zenith of my craft. The culmination of all I have ever accomplished. The result of over six hundred sixty years of research and scientific advancement."

Pretty sure it's not about the exos being developed for that long

[delicate oak]

whats a small in calamity that greatly alters the lore if it didn't exist?

[mighty zenith]

but rather just Draedon calling them his perfect creations due to all his knowledge and research

[buoyant inlet]

Draedon himself is like 600 years old or something

[real silo]

well he said it himself

660+ years

[buoyant inlet]

Just like in real life

[real silo]

old man

[mighty zenith]

he's almost old enough to be an american president

[delicate oak]

guys, did anything exists before 0 in calamity lore calendar? (idk what is it called)

[hoary berry]

the calendar is based on the founding of azafure

[mighty zenith]

the calendar we know of is the azafure calendar, so it starts with azafure's founding

[delicate oak]

in terms of power level, is moon lord and devourer of gods not far off or dog high diffs?

[mighty zenith]

If judging by their power when we fight them

then yeah, DoG would definitely win

[delicate oak]

im talking about the current moon lord, i know the draconic era moon lord is a lot stronger than now

[delicate oak]

exactly like that

[mighty zenith]

boss progression is, more or less, a good way to indicate strength of characters

so for instance, Old Duke vs. DoG is much closer than you'd expect

[delicate oak]

so providence is not far off from moon lord?

[swift wigeon]

@cosmic zenith
I finally got around to finalizing the lore document, hopefully this fixed any issues that you had with the previous version. Lmk what you think when you're done reading, and take your time if you need to.

[cosmic zenith]

Alright, I'll give it a read!

Note that what makes Auric Dragons special is their Auric souls, not "auric blood"
There's no mention of auric blood, just Dragonblood

[scenic olive]

The Lore deepens

how much of a dragon is a dragon

take their wings

now you have Wyrms

what makes a dragon, a dragon

[swift wigeon]

Auric blood doesn't mean literal blood. It means lineage

[scenic olive]

i wish i can talk to Xeroc rn

we could be yapping about dragons all night long

hes the fanboy after all

[cosmic zenith]

Oh, I see
Well, lineage doesn't always result in Auric Dragons (for example, offshoots are non-Auric descendants), so I feel like the situation could be clarified

[swift wigeon]

Right, but blood often refers to true lineage rather than just decent. For example, in one of the descriptions (for The Old Duke I think), Yharim says something along the lines of "It lacks true auric blood, I would know"

[scenic olive]

does anyone have a speculation on how Terminus originally works?

[swift wigeon]

I can still change it though if you'd like

[cosmic zenith]

Fair enough
I just thought it could benefit from being clearer

[swift wigeon]

Alright, I'll make note of that

[cosmic zenith]

• You misspelled "Eidolon"
• Braelor is not a member of the Onyx Kinsmen
• Calamitas is a moniker, not her name

That's it, pretty sure

[swift wigeon]

Wait seriously? She doesn't have a name?

[cosmic zenith]

She does, but it's not known

[swift wigeon]

That's what I meant

[cosmic zenith]

What kind of parents would name their child "Calamitas"

Unfortunately such parents do exist

[rotund shore]

The idea that calamitas, cataclysm, and catasrophe are their actual names is hilarious but hell no

[mighty zenith]

elon would do it

[trail zodiac]

around

[ionic harness]

Everyone knows that her real name is Carly calamity

[spring helm]

Calamitas, Catastrophe, and Cataclysm, the children of renowned Azafure citizens Disaster and Devastation

[jaunty wraith]

Did anyone else cry when calamitas said "it's time to go calamity"? Truly one of the moments

[spring helm]

you know what's an actual canon moment that happens in-game?

"You have defeated me, the Supreme Witch Calamitas, current final boss of Calamity mod. Here is your reward:"

[magic epoch]

Essentially yeah, it's called "taming" but yes

[lean crag]

What did you want like

It to be called “anarchy”?

“Chaos”

“A tiny bit of random destruction”

[ionic harness]

Anyone have any good lore for some of the different npcs? I wanna focus on really giving them nice houses in my next playthrough

[mighty zenith]

well, you can make an azafure-styled house for tax collector

since it's implied he's from there

maybe guide too?

[jaunty wraith]

There is no new lore for vanilla NPCs as of yet other than what can be infered

[mighty zenith]

since he calls tax collector "someone he cares about"

[lean crag]

Painter hates mushrooms he’s a mushroom racist!!

So put him in the mushroom biome…..

[jaunty wraith]

Its safe to assume dryad worshiped and mourns the loss of silva

[lean crag]

Could be interesting to do a dryad base in the sulph sea under that pretense

Cyborg and or steampunker researching a Draedon lab mayhaps

[jaunty wraith]

It's a head cannon that the guide is a lot more than just a human. And that's why he knows how to craft anything, including miracle matter which not even Draedon was able to make... But he knows for some reason

[ionic harness]

I’ll probably just have to go off of what biomes that they like. I’ll try to make different inferences about each character based on game mechanics n stuff

[spring helm]

nurse has a meth lab

[autumn mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-meth-gif-26319392

Nurse rn

[scenic olive]

Dryads

[ionic harness]

Mother

I’m sorry

[trail zodiac]

for

[glacial rampart]

Jane calamity

[frozen zodiac]

i would imagine Azafure has its own language and her name was written in that method

wait was azafure brimstone land or am i confusing it

[tall crest]

yes azafure was brimstone land

[hoary berry]

how long do people think it would have taken draedon to construct dog's armour? (resprite, not the in-game armour)
i'm thinking of writing a draedon log for the process of making the armour and would like some opinions on the time frame

[wheat walrus]

at least 2

[hoary berry]

maybe even 3, i reckon

[clear vessel]

this is honestly an interesting question

the primary thing is we have no clue how long it took for him to gather that much Cosmolite

nor how long it took for him to figure out how to use it

[ionic harness]

About 3 fabsol hours

[tall crest]

maybe a couple days

maybe more. imagine.

[proud harbor]

so if the gods were people who absorbed dragons auric souls then what is moonlord

[ionic harness]

On a serious note, probably not that long

He’d spend more time researching materials

He has so many machines that armor construction wouldn’t be a hassle

[clear vessel]

the moon lord is the one who killed off most of the dragons, making them, as a whole, weak enough to be completely eradicated by mortals trying to ascend

[clear vessel]

my thoughts as well

the actual building wouldn't take long, unless those gems are somehow really hard to use/make

[tall crest]

to elaborate on kidwhat: yeah he was the thing that kicked dragon ass. they didnt actually manage to kill him, but they severely weakened him and suppressed him inside the moon. hence why you the terrarian can later finish him off.

[proud harbor]

yeah but what being like ive seen lore variations where he is an original dark god who came to earth during their war with neutral and light gods

[clear vessel]

I should also add, however, that the dragons hit him pretty hard as well. that's why he's only a torso; the dragons tore off his lower half and shoved him in the moon

[spring helm]

All that damage and they still couldn’t finish him off

[tall crest]

prelude, dropped by lunatic cultist:

In ages past, now named the Draconic Era, the majestic Dragons protected Terraria from all threats.
Their famed might was put to the ultimate test by an aberrant behemoth from beyond the stars.
Fighting with all their strength, the Dragons could wound and weaken it… but not destroy it.
Lacking options, they tore the monster down to a shadow of its former self; sealing it away.
What is left of it now lies imprisoned in the Moon, as far away as the Dragons could banish it.
Much of dragonkind was lost as casualties in that struggle, and they never recovered.

[proud harbor]

ah

[clear vessel]

that used to be the case, I believe. With Calamity, there was a huge lore overhaul that completely changed almost every aspect of the lore mainly because although it was cool, it was hard to craft a story or characters from it. so they revamped all of it

[frozen zodiac]

our continent seems to just have terrible luck with space and dimensions it seems

[proud harbor]

yeah

[clear vessel]

the whole thing with light and dark gods were aspects of Old Lore, and no longer apply to the story in any way

[proud harbor]

and also why doesnt the gigantic dimensional worm appeared anywhere till it made a deal with yharim

[spring helm]

Maybe it was just born recently

[clear vessel]

to be honest, we have no idea what DoG did before being enlisted

he could have existed in secret, we do know other Distortion dwellers made appearances earlier

[proud harbor]

yeah

[clear vessel]

or, like popcorn said, he might be very young

[spring helm]

We do know that signus is pretty old and Ceaseless Void predates written history I think

[clear vessel]

Ceaceless Void is said to have appeared sometime in the Draconic Era, if I remember correctly]

[cosmic zenith]

Old (outdated) lore

[clear vessel]

"But this rift was unquestionably far older than [the Devourer]. It had dated back to the Golden Age of Dragons."

[tall crest]

A contained, previously inert portal sealed in the Dungeon. The presiding cult kept it a closely guarded secret.
Upon sighting the Devourer of Gods, their leader hurriedly led me to its chamber to reveal its existence to me.
The portal led to the Devourer's home. It was identical to his, only ancient and perfectly stable.
The serpent claimed: It too was his creation. Its permanence was a mistake he later rectified.
But this rift was unquestionably far older than he. It had dated back to the Golden Age of Dragons.

[hoary berry]

the draconic era continued past azafure's founding, right? so ceaseless mightn't pre-date the calendar

[clear vessel]

not necessarily

the hell is that word

[cosmic zenith]

The Draconic Era ended in 1037

[proud harbor]

also how did draedon designed a forge that can literaly endure the pressure of universes, or he just used the benefits of his good gamer chair

[spring helm]

Well we know from Draedon that Yharon had been alive for quite a while before Azafure was founded

[hoary berry]

with xeroc's ascension, right?

[clear vessel]

yes

[tall crest]

its just the gamer chair /j

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

Well
Moon Lord's invasion and Xeroc's ascension

They both happened in the later half of that year

[clear vessel]

oh wait, so the invasion lasted only a few months?

[spring helm]

It was just one guy so

[clear vessel]

I mean fair, but it was the strongest guy there was (Xeroc didn't exist yet)

[proud harbor]

how was yharim so blind that he didnt notice permafrost inside cryogen

[mighty zenith]

he hasnt seen cryogen most likely

[clear vessel]

I mean it's not like we see him in there before we free him
also, he was almost certain that he was dead. It's not like he was gonna verify

[proud harbor]

nah when you get cryogens lore piece yharim mentions he always tought when he seen it its just permafrosts old creation

[clear vessel]

Yharim says in the Archmage lore item that he just thought it was another one of Permafrost's constructs

[mighty zenith]

oh then yeah
permafrost was just hidden inside well

[proud harbor]

its ice...

[mighty zenith]

its also magic

[clear vessel]

if the Mage of Mages who specializes in Ice can't break out of it, it's probably not just ice

[mighty zenith]

i feel like he didn't want to break out of it himself, since he would've been at risk

like thats the entire reason cal even trapped him there

so nobody would find him

[clear vessel]

that's a cool take

I haven't thought of that

[proud harbor]

yeah also how the heck did calamitas sealed permafrost in cryogen

[spring helm]

She’s built different

[proud harbor]

like she only has brimstone magic

[mighty zenith]

he did teach her

[clear vessel]

she has more than that

[spring helm]

She’s only good at brimstone magic, she can still do the other kinds
Just not very well

[ionic harness]

She’s still a mage

[hoary berry]

cal has slight talent in most forms of magic, but really really excels with brimstone magic

[ionic harness]

But she’s just not like

[mighty zenith]

plus i feel like he was willing to it

permafrost is smart

he realized there wasnt much else he could do to hide

[clear vessel]

Not only does she have necromancy and hexes, she also was taught a lot about Ice magic
most likely, after creating Cryogen and sealing away Permafrost, she decided not to ever use ice magic again (either out of trauma or respect for her parent figure)

[proud harbor]

fair enought

[cosmic zenith]

Around a month afaik

[proud harbor]

yeah and also how does yharim has an army that can take down gods, but gets demolished by golem

[mighty zenith]

thats old lore

[cosmic zenith]

A month is a lot in terms of a dynamic battle

[proud harbor]

didnt calamitas awoken golem?

[mighty zenith]

again
old lore

[cosmic zenith]

Most long-lasting battles are sieges, or similarly static scenarios

[mighty zenith]

golem is now an idol for the lihzahrds like in vanilla, representing the god that abandoned them

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah
You should just forget old lore, because the lore is practically entirely new

[spring helm]

But stip

[proud harbor]

oh yeah and how were astral infection created exactly?

[spring helm]

Universe level xeroc from old lore!!!

So cool!!!

[split mortar]

Star got old and became zombie, Deus ate part of it and got controlled and so threw it at earth

[mighty zenith]

astral is created from dead stars bloating with mana and mutating into a virus

[spare pier]

Fun fact, he was more like Galaxy Level in Old Lore

[spring helm]

[mighty zenith]

deus was there to eat stars and create new ones but he was late to this one and got infected himself

[proud harbor]

so then whats astrageldon

[split mortar]

Gone

[mighty zenith]

it isnt

[tall crest]

deleted

[split mortar]

Not canon

[mighty zenith]

it doesnt exist

[split mortar]

That’s a mod that adds it

Replaced with aureus

[proud harbor]

oh right it got removed

[tall crest]

@proud harbor read this page to catch up on the lore changes https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore

[pliant ruin]

There's also a doc in pins

[split mortar]

There’s also a lore document made by someone that is quite accurate I think

[untold bluff]

Have you been in a coma for the last 6 years?

Man if only there was an addon that was old lore calamity

[warm gull]

unironically would

create that addon

[split mortar]

It feels like old lore yharim is how he would kinda be during his peak shittiness to me

[untold bluff]

True

Calamity addon that explores old cal lore and stuff

Brings back the old 2017 designs

The fluffy moth providence

[cosmic zenith]

Don't speak like that, it's a bit rude
I've seen plenty of people who haven't played Cal in ages return to the game, so it's fairly common

[untold bluff]

My bad

Anyways yeah

Calamity -

[hoary berry]

i've been reading through draetalk but i'm a little tired and can't tell if i've missed something
is there a time frame for when dog joined the crusade? i could use it to come up with something reasonable for the above project

[split mortar]

Dog joined pre scal

[hoary berry]

i meant using dates

[untold bluff]

What is the oldest calamity logo

[hoary berry]

since draetalk offers quite a few of them

[split mortar]

I dontt hink we know the specifics on it

[untold bluff]

Oh peak

Also yay we can finally add whatever this is that I found in mod announcements

Seriously what is this

It said it was a teaser for an upcoming enemy for a biome

Never came out

Funny

[split mortar]

Distortion sub biome?

[pliant ruin]

it was for the hallow

[untold bluff]

The post is from 2017

[pliant ruin]

years ago

[split mortar]

Oh

[untold bluff]

I wonder what it was supposed to be

[split mortar]

Never mind then

[untold bluff]

Looked cool

[split mortar]

Maybe stronge runicorn type thing

[untold bluff]

looks like it has the AA 1.3 madness fragment colors

[leaden bridge]

it was jus thallow expansion shit zzzzzzz

[hoary berry]

no moon lord gif today

how odd

[zinc karma]

powerscalers are horrifying

[split mortar]

Yeah

So are potatoes if not allowed soil

[wheat walrus]

could this be explained :3

[wheat walrus]

I am

[hoary berry]

i got distracted while doing a little draetalk research to find dates for stuff for the log

now i've lost motivation to write

maybe i'm just too tired rn

[split mortar]

Yeah sleep could help, being a bit past midnight would not do wonders for someone’s ability to write

[hoary berry]

i write past midnight a lot

but the delirium has hit me early this time

[split mortar]

Rip, I guess you shall go then bye

[hoary berry]

now i'm just rereading some old things i wrote ages ago

and wow some of these sentences are mouthfuls

[serene palm]

playing modded terraria again for the first time in a while, i know there was a lore rewrite but i thought it was more of making it cohesive, is yharim now a good guy or at least less of a genocidal maniac or something?

[hoary berry]

yharim has much more depth than he used to, though i wasn't well-versed in old lore when it was a thing so i can't say by how much exactly

but yharim in the new lore does commit worldwide genocide of the gods

[serene palm]

so hes closer to what the player does as in running around looking for the strongest things to fight?

[clear vessel]

He is still a monster in many ways, he is just more valid in his reasoning (at the very least in comparison to how he used to be)

[hoary berry]

there's a lot to the lore that i'm too tired (and lack the time) to explain, but there's a lore doc in the pins detailing everything in-game and other people in here aren't as tired and can help you understand stuff

[clear vessel]

also, because he is the one writing all of the lore items, he's obviously gonna paint himself in a positive light. If you actually read about what he's talking about while removing the "tint" he puts on it, then the evidence is there that he's not a good person

[serene palm]

cool, thanks

[clear vessel]

this question has a lot of aspects that I would love to explain but would take a while

[hoary berry]

anyhow it's half past midnight i should go to sleep now i think

[serene palm]

yeah i was just confused because the tone of the lore items changed so much, from basically him going "lmao yeah i committed genocide and ill do it again" to "i killed gods and it didnt really make things better"

[clear vessel]

the main points are; on the surface, you are absolutely correct. hell, Calamitas came after the player because she saw someone akin to Yharim growing in power and wanted to stop us

in addition, Yharim still ravages most of living society, slaying powerful beings and putting the world into chaos

[serene palm]

102 page lore document, holy shit lol

[hoary berry]

it's a good read

[clear vessel]

most of it is empty space and bullet points, so it's a not nearly as bad

[serene palm]

its not a bad thing, just surprising, thought it was a little simpler

makes sense

[clear vessel]

also, there's a lot of details (especially near the bottom) that go into the really small details that aren't required to get the full picture

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim commits genocide on a scale you can't even do ingame
He's strongly driven by motivation and past experiences, which makes him understandable, but he's still really evil

[clear vessel]

the player is a wierd case, because their goals and motivations are entirely up to you, the player. however, from what is implied by Draedon, the actions of the player won't just lead to more havoc, but "a new age", which sort of has a more possitive connotation

I personally have always pictured the player like Xeroc, in a weird way
instead of the Age of Dragons maybe being able to come back, even if it wasn't as bright as it was before, Xeroc made it so the Draconic era would never come back, forcing the world to move towards a new age
I think the player is very similar; Yharim (and his allies) killed almost every god there ever was, and the player simply goes through and clears the way for the future

but like I said, the goals and motivations of the Terrarian are only decided by the player

[serene palm]

so the bosses the player fights are pretty much whats left over that yharim didnt kill and/or showed up since he killed a bunch of gods

cool, thanks

[clear vessel]

in most cases, yeah pretty much

[cosmic zenith]

Not all
The actual Gods you kill are Slime God, Providence, and technically Ravager

[pliant ruin]

The thing that alot of people miss is that yharim dosen't regret his actions, he's dedicated his entire life to his genocidal crusade and now he realized he's not gonna be able to see it through before he dies of old age. That + all of his allies leaving him made him depressed as shit, but he's now seeking to manipulate the terrarian into being their successor

He's aware he's not gonna be able to live long enough to be able to complete it

Canonically he's incredibly old and going to die of natural causes regardless within a few years

So he's trying to make it so you complete his crusade for him

Yharim is a very nuanced and in-depth character whilst also being a absolutely horrible person

[serene palm]

is there anything on why he wants to wipe out the gods?

[pliant ruin]

Which is a really interesting way to write a character

[serene palm]

obviously they arent great, seeing as most are pretty much omnicidal

[pliant ruin]

He believes they're ''sinners" due to having caused the extinction of the dragons. He judges all gods regardless of their actions as evil

[pliant ruin]

This is also not true but to be fair the only gods you see in game do try killing you so i don't blame you

There are, by all means

[clear vessel]

they and their followers also tossed him and Yharon into lava to try to execute them, so that's not really cool

[pliant ruin]

gods that are despicable

such as providence

who's arguably the most evil character in the mod alongside yharim

[serene palm]

i guess the only ones left are lol

[pliant ruin]

and also the gods that wanted yharim to be a god-king as kidwhat mentioned, which yharim would later kill and eventually they'd turn into the evil biomes of today

however

there are also gods that were fully benevolent and/or good people

the gods of the sunken sea (Otonilou, goddess of electricity and Tyrian, god of the sea) were described as developers as benevolent, with otonilou in particular being called a ''saint". It's hard to tell due to the lack of in-game lore rn as the mod has to go through alot of updates still but it's worth noting

Xeroc himself dosen't really seem to be a bad person

[clear vessel]

another thing is, Yharon really doesn't like the gods because he is a dragon, and most of the gods had to absorb the soul of dead dragons to ascend, making it so the dragon couldn't be reborn.
Because Yharim and Yharon bound their souls together, that hate motivated Yharim to act as well

[pliant ruin]

A few small corrections

[clear vessel]

go ahead

[pliant ruin]

Most of the gods had to absorb the soul of dead dragons to ascend

It would actually be all of them, not just most

[clear vessel]

fair enough, don't know why I typed that that way

[pliant ruin]

and

[serene palm]

reading the lore doc, the player technically becomes a god too right

[pliant ruin]

Because Yharim and Yharon bound their souls together

[serene palm]

they have the power by endgame, and would just need worshippers to fully be one

[pliant ruin]

While they did attune to eachother there's nothing indicating this really influenced them in any way beyond just letting yharim use auric armor

[clear vessel]

the thing I based that off of was "from that day, our souls were one" or whatever Yharon's lore item says

[pliant ruin]

It's more so just that they're eachother's closest friend so they of course influence eachother deeply

[pliant ruin]

Nope

In order to become a god you need to undergo a specific proccess

[clear vessel]

and I meant it more as a "you hate these guys with all your heart so I will to" and not a "I am now psychiologically determined to hate them cuz you do"

[sinful adder]

No. A god is specifically something that consumed an auric soul via a secret ritual. There is only one of those left

You can be more powerful than a god without being a god

[pliant ruin]

You need to consume an auric soul (Of which there only is one left of, Yharon's) through a incredibly specific ritual

Do note the specific ritual part: You don't just "eat" the soul

[sinful adder]

Only like 3 people alive know the ritual and none of them will ever tell you

[pliant ruin]

Yep

[serene palm]

so whats the difference between a god and a godlike being?

[pliant ruin]

The only gods left by the point the game ends in are

[serene palm]

thanks for answering my questions btw :)

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc and Silva (With slime god, ravager and providence being killed by the terrarian)

[sinful adder]

Having done that ritual and getting control over an aspect of the world (called a "domain")

[pliant ruin]

np ^^

[pliant ruin]

I don't know what the definition of a ''godlike being" would be, but as mentioned previously a god needs to through a ritual

to consume an auric soul

[clear vessel]

a godlike being would probably just be something that gained strength another way

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[serene palm]

i meant godlike being as in the player, who is super powerful but not a full god

[pliant ruin]

calamity has a very strict definition of a "god" as opposed to the general vague understanding of a really powerful being that it's usually used as

[sinful adder]

There are probably a handful more gods hiding somewhere on other continents that we don't know of

[pliant ruin]

Not all gods are even that powerful to be honest, atleast comparatively

Slime God is an actual de facto 100% full blown god and they're

a pre hardmode boss

[sinful adder]

Things like the player are just ordinary beings that happen to be really strong

[clear vessel]

I always pictured the absorption of an auric soul almost like a "cheap and easy way to get strong, so long as you can get that Auric Soul". If other beings gain immense strength through other means, they could match the gods

[sinful adder]

gods are inherently strong but not automatically massively more so than ordinary beings

[pliant ruin]

They're still pretty strong on the grand scheme of things given most regular people can barely kill like, a rotdog

But there's still alot of beings that are much stronger than slime god, per example

Most of which aren't even gods

Like, aquatic scourge is just a regular animal and it's

technically stronger

[serene palm]

oh is the player being able to die and respawn canon like in dark souls or is it a gameplay mechanic

[pliant ruin]

just a gameplay mechanic

[clear vessel]

the Slime God is a particularly special case, sinse the Auric Soul of Gluttony was never really that powerful to begin with

[sinful adder]

It's around the weakest a god could be

[serene palm]

interesting

[pliant ruin]

besides xeroc who's just

[clear vessel]

also, it deliberately didn't allow itself to grow stronger to "preserve the balance of the world"

[pliant ruin]

the literal strongest character in all of calamity

the strongest gods would likely be at like

a similar level of strenght as providence

she's a really high end goddess all things considered

[clear vessel]

that has two answers, depending on time period

[serene palm]

is the player special somehow in how they gain power or just really lucky in surviving

[pliant ruin]

The terrarian is kind of a blank slate so it's up to you

They don't have much if any actual lore beyond

Person who's strong

[sinful adder]

Xeroc and Silva are special, we don't know why for sure, but their domains are the same as the dragon's souls they consumed

[pliant ruin]

They went through perfect ascencion

[wheat walrus]

my domain

[pliant ruin]

Something to do with the terminus

[wheat walrus]

prolly

[clear vessel]

Fovos (moon lord's actual name before being imprisoned) is said to be the second strongest being to ever exist, but that strength is greatly diminished by modern day
Noxus, the strongest being within the Distortion, is still alive and in full strength and is said to be the third strongest
the Terrarian is said to be able to tie in a fight against Xeroc, so he's also on the list

[sinful adder]

The most likely explanation is that they're an ordinary human really good at making things, and that anyone is physically capable of what the player can do

[clear vessel]

so the answer to "whos the second strongest" is a bit nuanced

[wheat walrus]

"before being imprisoned" #lore-discussion message

also

[pliant ruin]

The terrarian is the third or second strongest character in-verse depending on wether you believe moon lord is stronger at his prime or not

[wheat walrus]

the terrarian wouldn't tie with xeroc

at best xeroc spares us

[clear vessel]

I mainly said that because the name Fovos is kinda implied to have been lost to hsitory

[wheat walrus]

as far as I'm aware

[wheat walrus]

fair

[pliant ruin]

the terrarian is still behind xeroc yeah

still though they'd be the 2nd or at best 3rd strongest character in the entire verse which is

[wheat walrus]

xeroc is rockmaxxed

[pliant ruin]

pretty impressive

[glacial rampart]

I always say that "Yharim doesnt regret genocide, he just regrets having a child do genocide"

[sinful adder]

The terrarian could never kill Xeroc, but could be good enough at dodging to survive until Xeroc gives up and leaves if he got really lucky

[trim edge]

he regrets failing to finish his genocide

[pliant ruin]

Tbh i don't see xeroc having a reason to actively try killing us

[sinful adder]

This is also true

[pliant ruin]

They're just chillin

[trim edge]

he wouldn't regret using a child soldier if calamitas didn't leave him

[serene palm]

damn, so xeroc is so far beyond everyone else that even after fighting yharim, calamitas, draedon's creations and all the other things and taking their power the player isnt even a threat to him?

[sinful adder]

Correct

[wheat walrus]

xeroc is rockmaxxed as I said

[pliant ruin]

ye lol

xeroc is just. theyre that guy

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/papsvivs-bye-bye-gif-1514099909061119659

[sinful adder]

Given enough time, Draedon could build machines that could kill xeroc

[glacial rampart]

i doubt that

[pliant ruin]

i don't

[wheat walrus]

eventually

[sinful adder]

But this would take at least another 20 years, probably a thousand

[pliant ruin]

in fact i think it's almost guaranteed he Could

It's just that

he has no reason to

[serene palm]

is draedon just a gigachad cyborg engineer, not actually that powerful himself?

[pliant ruin]

Again, consider the fact draedon more or less has literal endless time to do research

[clear vessel]

pretty much lol

[pliant ruin]

Draedon is tricky to analyse in terms of power because

[clear vessel]

not cyborg, but the rest is accurate

[ionic harness]

lore chat calamity playthrough when?

[sinful adder]

He's an AI that's lived for like 600 years

[wheat walrus]

that is assuming Dardon doesn't get rocked by Xeroc into not doing that

[pliant ruin]

Draedon's ''bodies" themselves (such as the one he sends to you)

Are probably not good fighters

[wheat walrus]

wtf I lagged so bad

[serene palm]

huh, maybe the older lore had him as a cyborg or something

[pliant ruin]

But considering that draedon is functionally immortal and can basically do anything if you give him enough time and resources

He can kind of do almost anything.... if you give him enough time

[wheat walrus]

can he beat goku tho

[pliant ruin]

I said this before but when it comes to stuff like this draedon shouldn't be analysed as a character or person and more of a force

like

[wheat walrus]

yes

[clear vessel]

You are right, he used to be a cyborg in old lore

[pliant ruin]

by all means if you give him enough time draedon can blow up the entire jungle

[wanton tusk]

Don't the Tundra weapon schematics say that they're his personal arsenal or summat?

[pliant ruin]

but is it fair to say he's ''stronger" than any other character when he dosen't even have an actual physical body

[clear vessel]

Specifically the sniper rifle

[pliant ruin]

like, where do you draw the line of

[sinful adder]

If the laws of physics and magic in the world he inhabits make it possible for something to exist which can beat Goku, then he will eventually be able to do so.

[pliant ruin]

draedon did this

and

draedon's invention did this

[wheat walrus]

there's norway 🇳🇴

[glacial rampart]

what if you installed limewire onto draedon

[pliant ruin]

he has antivirus its ok

[serene palm]

i mean with that much power it kind of gets to a point where he is his creations since theyre so much stronger than him imo

wait if hes an ai is his physical form/computer/whatever somewhere or what

[pliant ruin]

yeah he's an ai

[serene palm]

obviously he would have it stupidly well defended and hidden

[pliant ruin]

and he has

basically

endless copies

so even if you like

destroy one of his bodies

he'll just like

go to another

and make another

[sinful adder]

If draedon wanted, he could pretty much effortlessly put his mind into any of his creations and "be" that creation, but why would he do that when he can be effectively immortal by being on a million computers at once all around the world?

[pliant ruin]

he really is just a force of nature at this point

or well

i guess not a force of nature

[sinful adder]

For this reason, I think it makes the most sense to consider him as being all of his creations

[serene palm]

i mean like is he sort of a hive mind running on many things or does he have one computer in particular that "is" him and that he just runs everything from

[clear vessel]

As weird as it is, Draedon mentions how his exo technology is linked directly to his “brain” (I could be remembering this wrong)

[pliant ruin]

more like a force of... humanity??

[clear vessel]

Would that maybe make the exo mechs him?

[sinful adder]

It's based on the same stuff

[pliant ruin]

Yeah see that's what i'm saying

like

where do you draw the line

''this is draedon" and "this is draedon's creation"

[sinful adder]

Draedon's machines are him as much as your arm is you

Except that he can decide to remove or replace any piece freely

[serene palm]

ok i was under the impression he was on a computer somewhere, but if he just runs himself on everything then yeah xbxb is right imo

[leaden bridge]

We don't think he runs (or stores) himself on everything

That'd be a hellishly costly operation

[sinful adder]

It would actually be quite easy. He wouldn't put his whole mind on every device, he'd distribute it across all his servers

Cloud computing, basically

Destroying a single one of the "server" furniture objects in one of his labs would be like cutting off a single one of his neurons

[hushed geyser]

Draedon is a business mastermind and is a calamitillionaire

[serene palm]

draedon seems pretty cool aside from the lack of morals, bro just wants to work on his tech

[clear vessel]

Pretty much his whole deal

[sinful adder]

I'm not sure this is right, but if you wanted to approach things logically and make the best system, this is what that would be.

[clear vessel]

I think I remember reading that his conscious is backed up in multiple server rooms

Can’t remember if that’s Draetalk or a dev statement

[split mortar]

It’s not like he would need to worry about the power consumption his mind in every device would have, since Exo prisma generate a ludicrous amount in small prisms

[serene palm]

draedon gives the player the blueprints for the forge? damn, he REALLY just wants to keep building fancier toys lmfao

[trail zodiac]

for

[spring helm]

four

[ionic harness]

Hi

[trail zodiac]

a

[amber cedar]

guys what if

the pillars were used to weaken zeratros

[amber cedar]

why are you braelor ant

[amber cedar]

like they make primordial light powers weaker or something

fovos brought a whole setup just to win against zerry

[jaunty wraith]

Do the pillars even have connections to fovos in calamity, or are they a separate holdover from vanilla?

[amber cedar]

they probably have something to do with fovos but theres nothing rlly mentioned iirc

[clear vessel]

My guess is that the pillar enemies are essentially Fovos’ army
I mean, there were hundreds of dragons and they lost cuz they tried to fight the threat one on one, there had to be something keeping them from organizing properly

[earnest flare]

or they fought him one by one because they wanted to see who could take him down first?

i mean its not like they'd be able to organize well anyways i dont think the dragons had any major threats to practice fighting threats on

[sly bloom]

"Actually fighting things" is part of why Yharon is noted to be so strong

[earnest flare]

yharon trains with yharim yeah

and kills gods presumably

[split mortar]

I don’t think it’s fovos army, instead it’s dragons using the torn off parts of moonlords power and using it to bind it to the moon (basically tying moonlord to the moon with its own flesh and magic)

Since they did damage moonlord before sealing

So there would be flesh and cosmic energy around the place

My main reason for thinking that is that the pillars seem to hold moonlord back instead of helping moonlord come over

[clear vessel]

Honestly an interesting take
They didn’t understand how powerful Fovos was, so they turned it into a sport of sorts

[clear vessel]

And yeah, the only beings stronger than Zeratros at that point weren’t on Terraria (Fovos and Noxus) so that would make sense

[jaunty wraith]

If that's the case then... Are we, the player even the good guy if we're gonna release the cosmic horror that wiped out most of the dragon race onto the world?

For what reason, why do we even do this. Did we just wake up and decide "mmm yes, killing monsters then gods than fighting Yharim sounds good today"

[cosmic zenith]

The player is a blank slate representing your headcanons

[thick slate]

murder hobo 😈

[cosmic zenith]

It's entirely up to you what they do, how they act, what their motivations are, and so on

[clear vessel]

in a way, sure, freeing Fovos is not a good thing
but, letting him sit still and recover from his grievous injury would only make him stronger later. In a way, the Terrarian stops a huge, potentially world shaking disaster later by dealing with the crippled form of Fovos now

whether or not that's what the Terrarian wanted or intended to do is up to the player

[warm gull]

true

[thick slate]

best headcanon

[warm gull]

my character is a well-oiled machine that turns deeply-written characters into crafting materals

[thick slate]

i am the one who crafts

[earnest flare]

umm i dont think he'd ever regrow his legs

but its still better to kill him rather then have some evil guy release him eventually

[trim edge]

is fovos sapient

[thick slate]

crazy

[earnest flare]

i think a better question is are interstellar beings allowed to regenerate full body parts

[earnest flare]

I was crazy once.

[trim edge]

by davjt

[warm gull]

yes

[trim edge]

did draedon have a chance to study ml during our fight

[earnest flare]

if he did i doubt he would've gotten much

its not like we did lmao

[trim edge]

is luminite part of fovos or part of the moon created by dragons

[warm gull]

the only thing draedon was studying during our character's journey was yharim's finely polished and sculpted armor

from afar

[earnest flare]

i thought the dragons creating the moon was scrapped

[trim edge]

huh