#lore-discussion

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wheat walrus
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Yharim is actually a very strong transfem

random mulch
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yharim is a bundle of muscle

spring helm
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Trans inclusion in Calamity!!!!!

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You love to see it

mighty zenith
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he'd take the bullet

spring helm
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That’s why I point the gun at Yharon instead

leaden bridge
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You already did it for him anyway

spring helm
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Yes

hoary berry
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he is just as fucked as yharim

mighty zenith
leaden bridge
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There's Nothing left to fix

split mortar
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I’m pretty sure he wants us to end him in the fight anyways

leaden bridge
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There's like 10 gods left maybe and they're all chilling in the continent right beside or whatever

mighty zenith
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he's the reason the crusade even started

wheat walrus
spring helm
ionic harness
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Yharim in a maid outfit

mighty zenith
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he was there, fully aware of what was happening, throughout the entire crusade

hoary berry
random mulch
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yharim wouldve probably still gone off the deep end without yharon
but yharon made it so much worse

spring helm
mighty zenith
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he's an accomplice in everything yharim did

leaden bridge
spring helm
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There’s the whole “rebuilding destroyed civilizations”

leaden bridge
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Rebuilt azafure! Population: traumatized child soldier and no one else

hoary berry
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and renegade warlocks

spring helm
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I didn’t say it was going to be easy

hoary berry
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although they're undeads of some sort

ionic harness
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That has interesting implications popcorn

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😭💀

leaden bridge
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The problem here is that everyone kind of is dead

split mortar
leaden bridge
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Like you could rebuild Ilmeris but Amidias doesn't have many subjects left

split mortar
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Though scal and brim so close may end up with no city again

leaden bridge
spring helm
mighty zenith
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i think it'd be less about rebuilding and rather about moving on and building new civilizations

spring helm
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what implications

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oh god you're thinking of

ionic harness
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What

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What am I thinking of

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💀

split mortar
mighty zenith
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she was a child

spring helm
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were they?

split mortar
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Yeah it was a tie between the two when they fought

versed moat
spring helm
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all we got was that azafure got destroyed and Brimmy went back to sleep

mighty zenith
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current scal is a mature, trained witch

hoary berry
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scal had only just come into her immense power, so naturally she would have been wielding it with only an ounce of the skill she has now

split mortar
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Ah fair

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Wasn’t scal the ace of yharim almost immediately though?

ionic harness
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This was before that I think

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Like this is what put Calamitas on Yharim’s radar

mighty zenith
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when she was recruited she got training

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from permafrost

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so of course, later on she was way more capable

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especially with the implication that she gained her powers DURING the fight with brimmy

hoary berry
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i wonder how strong she was before awakening her powers

split mortar
split mortar
mighty zenith
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we dunno the details but her strength was inherited from brimmy or something like that

versed moat
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Wait was she recruited to yharim before or after Azafures destruction?

split mortar
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Scals power isn’t from her that we know thanks to the clone

split mortar
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She didn’t have powers before

hoary berry
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she might have still had some level of magical power, we don't know, but nothing notable to any degree

split mortar
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Yeah

ionic harness
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I mean, didn’t draetalk say that she’s only really exceptional with brimstone magic?

versed moat
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Thats probably why she was in Yharims court, says that in scals lore thingy (I think, idk)

ionic harness
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Like she’s good at other magic but not like that

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I haven’t read draetalk in a while so pls correct me

mighty zenith
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which is why she was in rags, she lived in a poor family without parents

hoary berry
split mortar
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Supreme calamitalk when (jk)

hoary berry
ionic harness
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At least after being with permafrost, we can assume that she could at least use other types of magic

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She probably has issues controlling it tho

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Almost like a broly situation

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So much power with little control too

hoary berry
ionic harness
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Poor witchy girl

split mortar
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Yet had the skill to make cryogenic right?

ionic harness
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I mean yeah

hoary berry
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i do wish we had more knowledge on how magic even works in calamity

split mortar
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So she is skilled in atleast ice quite proficiently

ionic harness
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She did have enough aptitude to create something that could seal a powerful mage

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Apparently fabsol wants to rework the mana system

hoary berry
ionic harness
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So I bet we’d get some kind of lore for that too

hoary berry
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i want to learn all about the different brand of magic in cal

ionic harness
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He was talking about that yesterday I think

split mortar
ionic harness
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So do I

mighty zenith
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mana is so shit i'm really curious how fab wants to rework it

ionic harness
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It would be cool to have the magic weapons do a lot more dmg

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But make regen slower or something

split mortar
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I disagree it’s shit but I do think it could be much better

mighty zenith
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i hate it because its existence is solely to nerf mage

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which is just such a waste of a gimmick

ionic harness
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Make it work almost like stealth for rogue

split mortar
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Could say the same for limited ammo’s for ranger

ionic harness
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The weapons don’t do enough dmg

mighty zenith
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like honestly
stealth is what mana shouldve been like

ionic harness
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To warrant the mana system

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Like if magic weapons were dealing current summoner levels of dmg

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Then mana sickness makes sense

hoary berry
# hoary berry i want to learn all about the different brand of magic in cal

i've recently been thinking about stuff like bone magic for my OC, where it could take a permanent physical toll on you in exchange for a brief moment of immense power, only heightened by your proficiency with magic as a whole and the size of the bone you sacrifice. i really like magic that directly involves the body, be it via simple enhancement or something drastic like this

mighty zenith
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mage's entire gimmick is "mana gimps your damage if you attack for too long"

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if there was an upside to mana i wouldnt mind it

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but there isnt

hoary berry
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i do wish mage had a greater focus on burst damage

visual bane
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hey what if the more mana you have the more damage you deal-

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ion blaster

split mortar
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I think mage is meant to be high damage but lower defense and have to deal with mana

mighty zenith
mighty zenith
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mage is considered the worst class for a reason

split mortar
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But I’m pretty sure that’s the case only post moonlord in vanilla

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With last prism

hoary berry
split mortar
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Summoner kinda does glass canon better with whips and all that but it heavily leans into it unlike mage which I can see falling flat of being as good

sinful adder
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And mana potions for that matter

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Alternatively, make mana potion cooldown prevent you from drinking another one, or deal damage to you if you do

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That would be a far better mechanic

mighty zenith
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you still have to stop attacking in order for mana to regen

sinful adder
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Good

mighty zenith
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yeah but thats still just a nerf

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at no upside

sinful adder
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No, that doesn't matter

mighty zenith
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???

sinful adder
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You have to actually think about when you attack

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It doesn't matter that it is a nerf. It is a better mechanic

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If it is such a big deal, then just buff magic damage a little to compensate

split mortar
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Cause damage

sinful adder
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Yes

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Make that mandatory

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Mana flower was a mistake and never should have existed

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Mana Regen potion is really nice but should be made into an accessory line that gradually gets better instead of a single really strong potion

split mortar
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Yeah

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Or make multiple potions that get better in progression

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Cause one easy potion that strong is broken

sinful adder
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Potions are a hassle, I'd rather have accessories

split mortar
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Fair

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I mainly don’t deal with the fish potions cause they’re an extra hassle

magic epoch
spare pier
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The solution is to not make Mana a hinderance 👍

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No Classes in this game except Mage have a gimmick that is a hinderance

magic epoch
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I personally like the current rendition of mage

split mortar
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Ranger does have ammo running out but that’s only really a thing for guns in early game

split mortar
magic epoch
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I am aware it's flawed, but that's ok

spare pier
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My opinion is to make so Mana gives you a damage buff if you have it topped off and it decreases as you are left with less

split mortar
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Not everything can be perfec

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Like the apoctosis array and its downgrade?

spare pier
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Obviously, that'd need to completely change how Mana Potions and Mana Flower work

sinful adder
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I think it doesn't need to be that complicated

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Having too much mana sounds dangerous

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Just removing the mana flower effect from the game would be plenty

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Then base the mage accessories around other things like the mana cuffs and robes

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By the way, Rebecca, I had a question

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What is the Princess the princess of?

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She must be from a royal family from somewhere, and has some claim over the continent we play on

magic epoch
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I think it's sort of like a Ralsei Deltarune situation

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Where she's mostly self proclaimed, and is only the princess to her subjects (the npcs)

sinful adder
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We only know of one human city on the continent. Perhaps she is from Azafure's royal family?

split mortar
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Then wouldn’t she look like scal more?

sinful adder
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Not necessarily

hoary berry
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i just imagine the princess to be from the royal family of a kingdom destroyed by yharim's crusade

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perhaps from another continent entirely

mighty zenith
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it wasnt restricted to just one race

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i could definitely see some people deciding to move there

split mortar
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Fair

scenic olive
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they shouldve changed it to you needing to shout the magic spell out loud to cast it

buoyant inlet
pliant ruin
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Not every little character needs to tie in closely with the main plot

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Just say the princess is from the far away kingdom of glungusland and call it a day

spring helm
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right, but i'd think she would be still indirectly affected

hoary berry
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i wasn't saying her kingdom was some grand foe to yharim's crusade

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just one of many that were destroyed by a century long, worldwide war

pliant ruin
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I was mostly referencing the initial question ur good

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I wouldnt be surprised if reb didnt answer the question because they havent thought of it because it's not important :p

pliant ruin
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Yhar...

spare pier
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I said before that to me, Princess' main point is that she is not fully aware of the Crusade

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She has not been affected by it

brittle girder
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why is calamitas evil

split mortar
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She is not to my knowledge

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She was under the command of a manipulative charismatic authority while a teen when she did evil things

brittle girder
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why does she fight the terrarian

split mortar
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Cause she thinks you’re ending up like yharim

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At the end she realises you ain’t like him

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And so stops fighting

clear vessel
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“An upstart who recklessly stole and killed their way to power. I wonder, who does that remind me of...?" -Calamitas during her fight

urban hedge
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That's kinda funny now that I think about it

brittle girder
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damn so terrarian is really hitting that lvl of mvp status for calamitas to start doing that lol

split mortar
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Yeah

urban hedge
mighty zenith
brittle girder
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Terrarian becomes the strongest

clear vessel
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(Tbf, all of that dialogue is getting rewritten in the future to make more sense)

urban hedge
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I imagine the dialogue near the end will probably have her recognize that you are seemingly sparing her, because right now she just kind of ignores that during the end monologue, and for some unknown reason immediately after she's kind of just like 'we're ok now I guess"

clear vessel
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Yeah

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One of the lore writers mentioned that they want her redemption to be properly portrayed

split mortar
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You pulling a middle finger at the sun

mighty zenith
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i dont think it's gonna be an item honestly

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i feel like they'll give the final final boss a special summoning way

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my personal idea is placing the terminus at the grave of light

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like there's a missing piece and the terminus completes it

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and xeroc shows up

glacial rampart
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putting the rock back

split mortar
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The missing piece is the rock,

glacial rampart
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🐌

mighty zenith
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or that

split mortar
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Maybe re attempting boss rush gives a similiar choice to Draedon’s Exo mechs, you pick either boss rush or xeroc fight

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After noxus

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Or yharm if they decide you can fight either one before the other

mighty zenith
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makes me wonder how will yharim be refightable

split mortar
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You kill a queen bee and he revives out of anger

jaunty wraith
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No, you got to do the entire boss rush to just get one attempt at xeroc

hoary berry
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old duke without the lazy option

jaunty wraith
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Imagine having no blood worms, so every time you wanna fight old duke you have to do the entire acid rain event again

hoary berry
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it's the cooler method but i'll never do it

sinful adder
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claiming land for her kingdom? just some girl that calls herself a princess? something else?

glacial rampart
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not everything has to have a whole plot and background

sinful adder
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I think it's better if it does

leaden bridge
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Loud Incorrect Buzzer

glacial rampart
leaden bridge
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It just doesn't matter

umbral forge
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Is Yharim regretful?

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I remember a few months ago cei said that Yharim doesn't regret anything and would do it again with no hesitation

woeful patio
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But he is depressed because he lost everyone

wheat walrus
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he is regretful about his allies specifically

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but

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not really much about what he did aside from the things he did that made his allies leave or die

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so yeah, he'd do everything again, just this time he'd try to look better from his allies' pov

pliant ruin
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Honestly

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The best way to describe it is that yharim dosen't regret his awful actions, he's just self-pitying himselfd

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He still wants to commit the deific genocide, it's still his main goal

wheat walrus
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30 billion spongebobs were killed

pliant ruin
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He dosen't regret it in the slightest, he cherishes it to the point he's trying to actively manipulate the terrarian to be their sucessor

wheat walrus
pliant ruin
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This is how you get fnaf

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While little worldbuilding bits are neat such as the bestiary entries for some of the random minor enemies giving you info on the ecology of the ecosystems they're a part of per example, tying everything to some big plot is a surefire way to make ur story convoluted and often overwhelming

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so in other words

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this is how you get fnaf

wheat walrus
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finite amounts of freddy fazbears

latent hamlet
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Five nights at draedon's

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Actually
Considered draedon's personality
He would be the purple guy

pliant ruin
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Which is kind of the same thing but slightly different

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Is having calamitas realize what she's doing and stop the fight

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Because keep in mind calamitas at the point you fight her in is basically going through a ptsd fueled panic attack and is not acting rationally in the slighest

sinful adder
pliant ruin
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and i fully believe if she in some alternate reality killed the terrarian

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she'd take some minutes to realize what she just had done and have a full blown crisis

pliant ruin
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the princess is from a distant kingdom and she's completely and utterly unaware of the crusade

sinful adder
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Ok, that's perfectly fine

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I'm not sure if "unaware" makes sense, but "unaffected by" does

jaunty wraith
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Anyone ever thought of how insane the player must be from the perspectives of the NPC, we just show up and randomly start killing monsters, then gods and now attempting to challenge Yharim himself

gaunt sluice
rotund shore
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I do intend to try to flesh out the vanilla NPCs in my prospective fanfic, because most of them are what I can only describe as a nothingburger

gaunt sluice
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They deserve backstory

rotund shore
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First off I obviously want to work on the guide

gaunt sluice
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The guide actually might be the most complicated one to start with

ionic harness
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Imma need to read everyone’s fanfics when they’re done

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Yall are always cooking in lore chat

wheat walrus
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Cooker

quiet pond
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make the fisher kids parents the groom and bride zombies

spring helm
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alright

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time to make the princess npc chapter

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gonna listen to the Sofia the First theme on loop while im doing it

rotund shore
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I need to watch Sofia the first lmao

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Idk what to even write this fanfic of mine one, A03, perhaps? I’m scared I’ll get the curse all A03 authors do of having the most insane thing happen to me to make me go on hiatus

spring helm
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Mine’s not even uploaded anywhere, it’s just a google doc that I link here occasionally

rotund shore
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I’m contemplating if I should even write it, besides a handful of lore nerds like nobody is gonna see it

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And I mean I love my fellow lore nerds

glacial rampart
ionic harness
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Your fellow lore nerds def appreciate passion projects

spring helm
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Eat this!!!

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Fanfic Beam!!!!

ionic harness
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I feel like a greedy little grub

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Eating up the scraps of creativity

spring helm
ionic harness
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English or Spanish?

rotund shore
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Now to try and write a personality for a main character

ionic harness
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The funny thing is

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You don’t even have to

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Gordon freeman style

real silo
foggy edge
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Didn't know the design for Xeroc's eye was inspired from one of Bloodborne's Caryll runes, Calamity devs got good tastes in games ngl
(Or at least ima assume thats where they got the inspiration from lmao)

mighty zenith
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judging by the amount of fromsoft references i wouldnt be surprised

foggy edge
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Facts

woeful patio
# foggy edge

Turns out Xeroc have the power of the moon instead of the sun

foggy edge
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We've been bamboozled to the highest degree boohoo

real silo
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I mean it's kinda too similar to be a coincidence but you never know

cloud ibex
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Just look at the names Yharon and Yharim

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(I have no fuckin clue if they’re actually based off of the name Yharnam I am completely guessing)

lean crag
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I’m pretty sure they are

manic coral
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They are

wheat walrus
open ruin
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Does the tooltip on ruinous soul imply anything

leaden bridge
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What do you think it implies?

ionic harness
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Gotta make a move to a town that’s right for me

buoyant inlet
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Its a shard of polter's souls, which are prisoners who were trapped in the dungeon for a very long time

leaden bridge
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Yea

open ruin
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Fair

amber cedar
foggy edge
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Plus there was already a bunch of FromSoftware references in the mod lol

foggy edge
amber cedar
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in 1 hour

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bloodborne mentioned what the fuck is a sequel

foggy edge
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What the fuck is a 60 fps patch 🗣️🗣️

stark basalt
buoyant inlet
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giga dog

image.png
mighty zenith
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well that sure is terrifying

buoyant inlet
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what do you think leave those scars on his body

wheat walrus
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Braelor

split mortar
strange stump
mighty zenith
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can confirm

buoyant inlet
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i believe that

rotund shore
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idk why I thought of this gif

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I see the word dog and neuron activates

tidal mantle
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Dragging deez balls

split mortar
buoyant inlet
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i made it

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well, not made, i am making it currently

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its still wip

pliant ruin
split mortar
spring helm
runic rivet
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Is yharon’s theme addressed to the player or yharim? Obviously there’s “this is my message to my master” but then that’s followed up with “this is a fight you cannot win”, so is that implying that yharim cannot beat the player? Is the player the one addressed in “the enemy’s ascended beyond your control” or is he switching between who he’s addressing?

mighty zenith
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It is adressed to yharim yeah

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It's Yharon warning Yharim about the player

runic rivet
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Gotcha, that’s pretty cool

mighty zenith
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it doesn't switch since canonically, he said goodbye to yharim before departing from the aerie, so he's not literally saying it during the fight

runic rivet
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Yharim’s implied to be somewhat crippled after being cast down to hell, right? Does that mean he’s going to be less powerful than the feats addressed in the lore items when we actually fight him?

split mortar
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He was casted in to lava before he started crusades

runic rivet
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“I am a shadow of the hero I once was” is I believe what the line was

split mortar
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From the awakening lore item right?

runic rivet
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I believe so

earnest flare
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how does yharim get vitamin d if hes constantly in a suit of armor

split mortar
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Pretty sure that’s meant to be more so he thinks he isn’t as righteous or good as he was

runic rivet
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Oh, gotcha

split mortar
earnest flare
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nuh uh
theres no way for him to take pills in his armor

split mortar
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Plus he recently got Exo tech from draedon so he would be stronger if anything

mighty zenith
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mostly thanks to his armor being reinforced with draedon's tech

split mortar
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Yeah

mighty zenith
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and a lot of training on the aerie

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since well

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there's not much else he can do there

split mortar
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Despite being over a century old

runic rivet
mighty zenith
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(besides gardening and beekeeping but thats just my headcanon)

split mortar
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I wonder how old he could live if he is not experiencing any physical degradation at over a century

mighty zenith
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from dev statements, he's only got a few years left

pliant ruin
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He's gonna die soon yeah

mighty zenith
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i think the technology and attunement are keeping him physically well

pliant ruin
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His entire arc rn is that he knows he's not gonna be able to finish the crusade before he drops dead on the floor

mighty zenith
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but old age is still old age

pliant ruin
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so he's trying to manipulate you into being his successor

mighty zenith
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he may be strong but his body's going to give out anyway

earnest flare
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yharon is half-dead rn i dont think yharim is evading old age rn

split mortar
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Just prolonging his life a few years then

earnest flare
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also yharon knows that yharim will be dead when he next rebirths

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so umm

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he has less than 10 years left to live

runic rivet
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I wish base-game terraria’s lore was as interesting as calamity’s

mighty zenith
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eh

earnest flare
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i dont lmao

mighty zenith
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vanilla just

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doesnt focus on lore

earnest flare
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vanilla is silly and i appreciate that

mighty zenith
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and i dont want it to just add lore to the existing game

runic rivet
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That’s true ig

mighty zenith
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because it would be a mess

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especially if it were to take itself seriously

runic rivet
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I think adding on to what we have of base-game lore would be the wrong move for sure

split mortar
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There is some vanilla lore but it’s far less serious or focused on then cal

mighty zenith
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maybe if they make a sequel, they could try taking it seriously

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since it'd give them a blank slate mostly

runic rivet
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The shitty terraria tv show, peak lore

split mortar
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They did have a blank slate mostly when they made 1.4 lore I think so I think relogic just isn’t concerned for lore more then what’s in the base game

mighty zenith
split mortar
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Oh right that

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I forgot that existed

runic rivet
frozen zodiac
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what is the title screen supposed to be? is it just a shadow of yharim?

split mortar
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I think

mighty zenith
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i'm pretty sure yeah

spring helm
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also

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lore peeps

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i think the nonstop loop of Sofia the First theme song has driven me mad

hoary berry
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i've had a song called 12345 going on repeat for several hours now

south jay
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How strong is Yharim? Cause his pet is almost as strong as Scal, and Scal tried to beat him. Would he have clapped her?

spring helm
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yes

random mulch
hoary berry
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i mean, it isn't like he'd stomp cal or the exos

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but he would win

south jay
hoary berry
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nameless isn't canon

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no addon is

south jay
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Ah ok

hoary berry
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aside from vcmm i guess

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if you consider the music to exist in terraria, made by some random person

south jay
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Oh

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Ok thanks!

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Someone should develop a yharim addon mod

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I’d imagine a bunch of sword based attacks yk

hoary berry
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yharim will be added as the final boss

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in the final confirmed update

spring helm
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watch the "final update" be like journeys end

south jay
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It’ll never come

mighty zenith
south jay
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!remindme 50 years

random mulch
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updates take a lot of time

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especially the ones the devs have planned

south jay
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Yeah lol

pliant ruin
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but in like

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idk

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8 years

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it is the last planned major* update so like

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kind of will take a while

south jay
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Only thing I don’t understand is why not give us updates we like, like new bosses, but why give us a bunch of murasama reworks???

pliant ruin
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whar

mighty zenith
random mulch
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calamity hass a lot of bosses

spring helm
south jay
random mulch
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and a lot of them arent very notable

mighty zenith
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you say that like boss reworks are super easy to put out

pliant ruin
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calamity isnt getting new bosses lol

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well

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except yharim

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and maybe xeroc and noxus

spare pier
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And like Bosses are the only thing that matter

south jay
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Good point

random mulch
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SSO is going to turn the sunken sea into a much more important area

mighty zenith
#

the current goal is improving old/bad content

south jay
#

Yeah

mighty zenith
#

rather than adding even more things to an already bloated mod

random mulch
#

which i want a lot more than just a new boss

pliant ruin
#

if anything calamity has too much bosses lol

earnest flare
#

bosses are infact not the only things that matter, its just that so many people treat it as if they are

pliant ruin
#

not taht i think anty of them should get like

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removed or anything

random mulch
#

old duke

pliant ruin
#

but in a perfect timeline we'd have less bosses

earnest flare
south jay
pliant ruin
#

everything

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else

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?????

mighty zenith
earnest flare
mighty zenith
#

the biomes that are... pretty damn bland outside of the abyss

pliant ruin
#

enemies
biomes
events
building things such as blocks and furniture
equipment

spare pier
#

And Abyss still needs some Enemy AI adjustments

random mulch
pliant ruin
#

npcs

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fishing

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like

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literally anything else

earnest flare
#

me when calamity is a mod that adds things other than bosses

spare pier
#

Not fishing

spring helm
#

fishing rework!

spare pier
#

👎

earnest flare
#

🤯

pliant ruin
#

yes fishing

#

fishing is cool

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
#

youre a hater

south jay
#

These are all good points. I’m too lazy to pay attention to stuff that needs reworked lol

mighty zenith
#

i love fimshing

spare pier
#

I will fish YOU

spring helm
south jay
#

Fishing is important

#

Gives you shrimp

mighty zenith
#

reb look there's a one piece in the corner

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!!

pliant ruin
#

calamity fishing rework will be real soon

spare pier
#

WHAT

pliant ruin
#

i believe

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i have faith

earnest flare
#

holy shit the one piece is real

spare pier
#

But yeah, Abyss is more or less the most complete biome in the game rn

pliant ruin
#

i made a fishing suggestion last week

spare pier
#

It just needs some enemy AI adjustments

pliant ruin
#

i'm one of the like 4 fishing fans in the entire community

south jay
south jay
#

But hate angler

spare pier
#

I feel like we could live with only the Minibosses being reworked but giving some of the lesser enemies more interesting behavior would be nice

earnest flare
#

golf > fishing

mighty zenith
#

ew golf

#

disgusting

spare pier
#

Like, yeah ngl

earnest flare
#

you're disgusting!

spare pier
#

The Abyss Minibosses do need some more interesting behavior

mighty zenith
#

why did they pick the most boring sport in history to terraria...................

pliant ruin
#

i think calamity could use more enemy variety as a whole tbh

spare pier
#

But otherwise I would be fine if the other enemies remained as they are

hoary berry
#

add badminton to terraria

pliant ruin
#

and not just in the calamity biomes i mean

south jay
pliant ruin
#

like

spare pier
#

Fuck, I think quite a few Abyss enemies are fine the way they are

south jay
pliant ruin
#

a few more enemies here and there in vanilla biomes

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would be neat : D

random mulch
#

i mean they recently did a critter contest

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got some fun things

pliant ruin
#

like

spring helm
#

angry rabbit

pliant ruin
#

evil biome gets

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blighted slime

#

and thats it

#

desert gets like, what

#

stormlion

mighty zenith
#

also post ml in general

pliant ruin
#

there's a pretty big lack of non-calamity biome content

#

and post ml ye

south jay
mighty zenith
#

but tbf the distortion will be there to rectify that

spring helm
#

that's tru post moon lord is kinda empty outside of the bosses

pliant ruin
#

i don't think

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distortion alone

south jay
split mortar
pliant ruin
#

is gonna rectify post ml being empty

south jay
#

Just feels like a boss grind

mighty zenith
#

yeah ofc not just distortion

pliant ruin
spare pier
#

Toxic Minnow, Lumenous Corvina, Laserfish, Chaotic Puffer, Mirage Jelly and Bobbit Worms don't need to be touched imo

pliant ruin
#

really

mighty zenith
#

but it'll help making it feel less boss rush-y

pliant ruin
#

i'm tlaking just

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add more enemeis and stuff

#

to vanilla biomes

spring helm
pliant ruin
#

not overhauling world gen

#

like

spare pier
#

Yes, Mirage Jelly is passive. That's the point

earnest flare
#

god i fucking love the distortion (everything i know about it is public knowledge)

pliant ruin
#

thorium has a ton of enemies

#

that spawn in vanilla biomes

#

but calamity has barely any since almost all of the cal enemies are on cal's own biomes

pliant ruin
split mortar
#

Pretty sure enemy wise cal is not much

south jay
#

Hear me out

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Hear me out

pliant ruin
#

toxic minnow are also really cool because i get to use them as traps for oafish

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: D

south jay
#

After you defeat moon lord it starts a timer for 16 hours and if you don’t that SCAL in that time it deletes your world

#

Gone

#

Forever

pliant ruin
#

you can do chain reactions with toxic minnow

#

its silly

#

kill a toxic minnow then the poison gas kills more toxic minnow and then : D

spare pier
#

And obviously, I don't think Cannonbal Jellyfishes need to be changed

wheat walrus
#

alr chat get this calc for storm weaver possibly creating a supercell storm since I was inspired

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mighty zenith
#

cuttlefish i think could definitely work more like actual traps

spare pier
#

But I didn't add them because they are new

pliant ruin
#

cannoball jellyfish r neat

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i do wish

#

they spawned more often tho

#

cuz the spawn rates for t1 of the abyss

#

seem rly low at times

#

talking about which

spare pier
#

And also Slab Crabs

wheat walrus
#

storm beaver

spare pier
#

Both of those are new

#

Otherwise, like

mighty zenith
#

it would possibly be hell to program but making cuttlefish blend in to planty mush or scoria

#

would be pretty cool

earnest flare
#

storm cleaver

pliant ruin
#

sulphur sea proper

#

has

wheat walrus
pliant ruin
#

really wacky enemy spawns

#

trashers and gnashers spawn in the surface often

#

but underwater its like

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basically just urchins

#

toxicatfish and flounders are rarely ever there

#

tho tbf sulphur sea enemies r being reworked anyways

mighty zenith
#

i dont remember the last time i saw an underwater sulph sea enemy that wasnt from acid rain

#

even urchins like never spawn for me

spare pier
#

Yeah, Cuttlefish could be cooler. Oarfishes and Viperfishes should get more interesting behavior. Devil Fish just needs a different behavior after it sheds its mask. Giant Squid should be very different. Eidolists should be more different than just Cultist Light and Bloatfishes also deserve more interesting things

pliant ruin
#

I think a devil fish should get a resprite tbh

spare pier
#

Oh I disagree with that profusely

south jay
#

Chat chat

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Genius idea

pliant ruin
#

The sprite itself is cool as hell

#

however

south jay
#

GFB rework

pliant ruin
#

i don't really like it from a design standpoint

#

Mainly because as far as i'm concerned it's just like. a fish. but it looks like it's?? melting?? undead?? under the mask

mighty zenith
#

i think its a bit... too mechanical

pliant ruin
#

like it's just a natural organism

#

but it looks weirdly

#

idk

#

supernatural? i guess

#

like

#

it feels like it's leaning a bit too hard into the literal devil fish aspect

spare pier
#

Yeah, I like that

mighty zenith
#

i would definitely not complain if it didnt get resprited but it could potentially use a few touches

spare pier
#

I like for there to be a fish that is just horribly fucked up in the Abyss

pliant ruin
#

I think some tweaks would be nice yeah

spare pier
pliant ruin
spare pier
#

I demand Gulper Eel to become fucking awesome

pliant ruin
#

atleast

#

not the type of horribly fucked up the devil fish has

#

because that one feels

#

a bit too fucked up

#

tbh its kind of just the face

mighty zenith
#

gulper eel doesnt reflect its origin enough

pliant ruin
#

the body is actually really nice

#

but i wish the face atleast didn't look like it was melting as much and the skull wasn't like

#

a goat/cow skull

spare pier
#

Gulper Eels are some of my favorite animals

mighty zenith
#

they are sick

spare pier
#

I NEED it to be goated

pliant ruin
#

gulper eels are funny looking

mighty zenith
#

and its a shame the in-game version doesnt even utilize the thing its named for

#

let it unhinge that huge jaw

south jay
#

I don’t know any of the abyss stuff cause my first olaythrough (happening rn) is Legendary GFB Infernum and the Abyss is broken lol clueless

pliant ruin
#

masochism

south jay
#

Yk how it is

pliant ruin
#

masochism

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
#

terraria players r insane

spare pier
#

And tbh I would like to add

#

1 enemy to the Abyss

buoyant inlet
#

gulper eel would look cooler if it actually resembled its irl counterpart

spare pier
#

Goblin Sharks

south jay
#

Started June 1st, just over 300 hours of time in the playthrough and Ive taken about 20 days off total 😭

south jay
#

On providence rn

buoyant inlet
#

i think frilled sharks are cooler and scarier.............

south jay
#

After Providence I’ll use lacerator to beat DOG, use murasama to beat the other bosses cause I’m GFB it’s semi auto

mighty zenith
#

oh frilled sharks are fucking HORRIFYING

spare pier
#

True, but there is no way we can turn that into a sprite

#

While keeping the horror factor

south jay
#

Just like the infernum profaned garden setter, do it on MS paint

#

Just make the enemy SUPER rare

spare pier
#

I would like Gulper Eels to be like proposed on the Bestiary

#

It actually hides itself in the Abyss and tries to eat you

#

And if it fails it just fucks off

buoyant inlet
#

gulper eels can inflate and turn into balloons

#

they're such goobers irl

south jay
#

I feel stupid asking but what’s a gulper eel

#

It’s an abyss enemy right?

buoyant inlet
#

i think people have wrong perception of them

buoyant inlet
south jay
#

Thanks

buoyant inlet
#

but its also real life animal

south jay
#

Ah ok

spare pier
#

Byeah, after SSO I feel like I will try to motivate people into renovating Abyss Enemy AI

buoyant inlet
#

also irl gulpers are like pretty tiny

#

this makes them even more cute

spare pier
#

Yeah, they look funny

buoyant inlet
#

i think cal gulper would look cooler if it had shorter and thinner body, and its mouth was actually emphasized

#

currently it just looks like an eel with a mouth slightly bigger than on average

spare pier
#

Eh, I think their design is fine, it's hard to make an enemy out of something that is a floating mouth

#

Plus, I think the body has to be large due to the behavior I have intended

#

If it's too small, it'd be too hard to notice it

buoyant inlet
spare pier
#

Well, ok we have some enemies that are literal flying heads HDfailure

buoyant inlet
#

i imagine that gulper might jumpscare you with a big opening of its mouth

#

sol ike mouth is the point

spare pier
#

But personally, the idea for the enemy I have only works if it's big

buoyant inlet
#

body isn't that important here

spare pier
#

If it's smol, it'd be weird

south jay
#

Mini boss idea

#

Gulper eel

#

But like

#

Mouth half the size of the screen

#

Genius

#

Regular sized body

random mulch
glacial rampart
#

the optical sphere of Cthulhu in question

frozen zodiac
#

does anyone else get a sense of hope when listening to the sunken sea theme?
like because you usually find it after fighting scourge, it almost feels like its trying to say "the past may have almost damaged this place beyond repair, but with enough time, life will find a way" with all the sea enemies and critters you usually see

ionic harness
#

I love sanctuary

#

Amazing track

split mortar
trail zodiac
#

yharon

split mortar
#

Dragon of rebirth

pliant ruin
#

respeldent gngadslgadmsghsdhphoenjnvklmzsv

#

nm,; cnmszkfvas

#

l´g.çvas???

#

asmogmwah

split mortar
#

Did not know yharorine could cause seizures

spring helm
#

Resplendent 🅱️oenix

shy scroll
#

how is amidias pronounced? ahmi die us? ahmi dee us? uh midi us?

earnest flare
#

pronounce it as it is spelled because english sucks

shy scroll
#

real

#

google translate says its uh midi us

sinful adder
#

that's probably right

ionic harness
pliant ruin
clear vessel
trail zodiac
pliant ruin
#

i'm cheese

trail zodiac
#

i’m wof2km

pliant ruin
#

hi wof2km

trail zodiac
#

hi cheese

#

you

spring helm
#

yu

#

ri

pliant ruin
ionic harness
#

what even is limbus

#

i keep seeing people talk about it

glacial rampart
#

gacha game

ionic harness
#

ew

rotund shore
#

its like an actual good gacha game to my knowledge

#

since those DO exist

glacial rampart
#

maybe it is but

#

if someone is recommending me a game

#

and it has dailies

#

nah

latent hamlet
#

Yeah
I also think that waifu mod also has a lot of reference to it

#

I forgor it's name

glacial rampart
#

stars above yeah

last tiger
last tiger
#

BASED FALKE

latent hamlet
#

Hell yeah

last tiger
#

falke is the best

#

dream girl

#

fr fr

pliant ruin
#

best game ever

rotund shore
#

My brother is really into limbus

pliant ruin
last tiger
#

it has the best story in all of the media I have consumed

pliant ruin
#

it's my favorite story of anything ever with the only story that i like equally as much being madoka magica

#

limbus and madoka r tied for my favorite piece of fiction ever

last tiger
ionic harness
pliant ruin
#

i'm gonna distort

last tiger
glacial rampart
last tiger
#

do you want to see my profoloio?

glacial rampart
#

i mean idk maybe im wrong but like

#

it just really doesnt interest me

last tiger
#

okay cool

#

then it's not for you

trim edge
pliant ruin
#

like not only is the story the best ever but the gameplay itself is (imo) for the most part pretty well designed

#

i can't force you to play it or anything tho, your choice at the end of the day

rotund shore
#

I love lore discussion having project moon sleeper agents

pliant ruin
#

A good way to describe limbus is

#

a gacha game made by a dev team that has no idea how to make a gacha game

#

project moon had make 2 very critically acclaimed non-gacha games before and with limbus they just did that Again but with a gacha slapped ontop of it

rotund shore
#

Would draedon play limbus

pliant ruin
#

it's a game with gacha on it, not a gacha game

#

important distinction

#

i digress tho

#

this is the lore discussion channel not the project moon brainrot channel 😔

pliant ruin
rotund shore
#

because draedon is programmed to be a nerd

frozen zodiac
#

"Through extensive research of other's performance, i have come to the conclusion it would be a waste of resources to invest in this character, since they do not grant me a major benefit over my already acquired units in battle, and i shall simply await until a truly worthwhile character appears to me"
"dude just say you're not pulling for this banner"

rotund shore
#

Whenever I play games with metas, gachas included, I don’t try to build the mega myself, I’ll wait til others learn this shit
Draedon IS that guy

#

He makes the meta that I’d use in a gacha game

ionic harness
#

Terraria needs a gacha system

#

Calamity mod

#

But you need to spend 60 dollars

#

Or you gotta wait 10 days to equip gold armor

warped summit
#

my bank account would cry if Permafrost was gacha obtainable

earnest flare
#

they should add mini golf to terraria

#

because surprisingly regular golf doesnt work well in a 2d space

buoyant inlet
#

You know I got design idea for plagued creatures

#

I think they can look like they're robotic, with some clearly artificial things, intended for wars and battle, like guns or stuff, but it all is actually organic and is made out of their mutilated bodies

#

You know, scorn type of shit

#

For example, plagueshell can look like Da Vinci tank concept, but it's still all organic

split mortar
#

Would be cool

buoyant inlet
#

*and they'd still resemble creatures they're made from, somewhat

#

All except PBG who is partially robotic due to draedon adjustments

eager bluff
lean crag
#

Omg yes

buoyant inlet
#

Body horror plague

#

Melter should be something like a flying flamethrower

#

Plagueshell is tank

#

The hornet enemy can be like a jet

#

All organic

#

Etc

elder hare
#

Is DoG decaying, or has he been and will be like how he is now forever (without player intervention)

buoyant inlet
#

He's alive and well healthy

#

Well, as healthy as alien serpent from another dimension can be

leaden bridge
#

Sadly

elder hare
#

Glad to know the long snakey boi is fine (brutally murdering him like we did doesn’t count)

trail zodiac
#

hang

sinful adder
#

he's kinda evil

#

or at least, like, an indirect danger to all life

vernal jewel
#

is Yharim telling the terrarian to challenge him or is there another motive?

rotund shore
#

Yharim does want you to fight him, yes

vernal jewel
#

For what reason?

#

I'm a bit confused about his whole "Whispers"

rotund shore
# vernal jewel For what reason?

I imagine it’s since he’s aware he cannot defeat Xeroc, but perhaps you somehow can, so he’s practically testing you with his fight, if he dies, so be it, somebody might be able to do what yharim couldnt and kill Xeroc

vernal jewel
#

so basically

scenic olive
#

Im gonna do it

vernal jewel
#

he wants to "test" you and will ask you to defeat Xeroc for him.

rotund shore
#

Unfortunate for yharim considering we very much won’t kill Xeroc

vernal jewel
#

unless-

#

it's a two ending thing

#

one where you end up as a Godslayer, turning into Yharim's pawn

#

or the second one where you finally end the rampage

#

of the whole War

devout grove
rotund shore
#

Even if we DO fight Xeroc (not guaranteed to be a boss), we won’t kill him

#

Xeroc is simply too powerful, even for us

scenic olive
#

Nah id win

devout grove
rotund shore
#

True simply use noxus sprayer from wotg and win

devout grove
#

i think hes higher than 99.99% of all lesser beings...

vernal jewel
#

what if we end up killing Xeroc the way we killed the Nameless Deity?

#

BECAUSE YES

rotund shore
scenic olive
#

Someone gotta tell em

rotund shore
#

New lore Xeroc is less powerful then old lore, but still so much stronger then most other beings

devout grove
rotund shore
#

Yeah ND is intended as a separate entity at this point

#

And so will wotg noxus when it gets updated

devout grove
#

ND is just an entity that takes inspiration from Xeroc

#

lol

vernal jewel
#

is ND just a deity of a twisted garden then

rotund shore
#

ND is based on Xeroc back when Xeroc was the thing that created the whole world, which is nothing like new lore

vernal jewel
#

what's new lore like anyway?

devout grove
#

we can kill ND, not Xeroc. I remember reading somewhere that even cheats cant kill Xeroc

rotund shore
#

Xeroc was a monk, and was the first to absorb an auric soul, specifically of zeratros

scenic olive
#

it was just a test

devout grove
#

we passed its test

vernal jewel
#

what kinda test

rotund shore
vernal jewel
#

is Xeroc immortal?

scenic olive
vernal jewel
#

I know some Gods aren't

scenic olive
vernal jewel
#

Silva being planty mush

rotund shore
scenic olive
rotund shore
#

Immortal just implies it doesn’t die of old age

devout grove
#

I dont see why we dont just recruit Yharim

vernal jewel
#

there's Gods that are already dead in the lore though

rotund shore
scenic olive
#

yeah because theyre killed

#

Gods are dead when they are killed

#

i mean 'gods'

#

not capital G gods

devout grove
#

also why cant we take Yharons auric soul?

rotund shore
#

I imagine old lore Xeroc WAS unkillable, because it was essentially capital G God

rotund shore
glacial rampart
devout grove
#

there is a chance Yharim knows it. but thats just a thought

vernal jewel
#

Yharon has an auric soul!?

devout grove
rotund shore
vernal jewel
#

oh

#

right

glacial rampart
devout grove
#

lol

scenic olive
vernal jewel
#

so Betsy XD

rotund shore
vernal jewel
#

why won't he just take Yharon's Auric Soul after we killed it?

rotund shore
rotund shore
vernal jewel
#

I know I was just joking

rotund shore
#

Also becoming a god goes against yharims entire character

vernal jewel
#

fair point

devout grove
glacial rampart
#

Yharon isnt like
Yharims pet or something either
they're bros

vernal jewel
#

it'll be the whole TG/AoT stereotype if he does that I guess

rotund shore
scenic olive
#

I will find a way to defeat Xeroc

vernal jewel
#

"Hates gods, becomes a god"

scenic olive
glacial rampart
#

i think at this point in the story he has just accepted that Xeroc is out of anyones reach

rotund shore
#

Yharims entire goal is really to eliminate all gods

devout grove
glacial rampart
#

wha

#

no

#

😭

rotund shore
#

Him causing a god to be made would be so against his goal

devout grove
#

true

scenic olive
#

Bro yharim is 120 ish rn i think he has dementia

vernal jewel
#

"Who are you again Terrarian?"

#

"Oh, right, you're the Terrarian"

glacial rampart
#

Xeroc and Yharim are probably the only beings still alive who know the ritual and theres literally zero reason for either of them to tell you shit HDfailure

scenic olive
#

well

#

Silva

#

shes not exactly dead

glacial rampart
#

silva is alive technically ig

#

but like

#

she also isnt telling you shit

#

even if she could

scenic olive
rotund shore
#

Silva is around but who knows if she’ll even revive in our lifetime

devout grove
#

I wanna know what we need to do to get Xerocs proposal

glacial rampart
#

get down on one knee

devout grove
#

breh

rotund shore
#

Well she is physically here but not in any humanoid form

scenic olive
#

what if i kill silva again

vernal jewel
#

mold her a body using planty mush

devout grove
#

guys i know how to beat Xeroc. Marry him then devorce. He will become depressed and kill himself lol

vernal jewel
devout grove
#

bruh

#

how do you make kids with a god...

rotund shore
#

Is Xeroc as a god literally just the floating symbol?

glacial rampart
#

have you even considered how it would work in gameplay

#

like

#

it would have to be some boring as shit stat boost

devout grove
vernal jewel
#

Yharim would ask Draedon to make gear for you again

scenic olive
glacial rampart
#

superman

glacial rampart
#

also again???

rotund shore
#

The changes gods have in appearance is odd, some are humanoid like Silva, some are like providence

devout grove
#

breh we can use draedons tech and forge to make our own gear

scenic olive
devout grove
scenic olive
#

funniest shit ive ever seen

glacial rampart
glacial rampart
devout grove
#

we dont need him. we bested his best work

scenic olive
rotund shore
#

I do wish we knew what god of sacrifices looks like outside of ravager

scenic olive
#

you body would adapt and change to fit the power you get from the domain

devout grove
rotund shore
#

I also wish we knew how strong it once was

rotund shore
scenic olive
#

otherwise in just human form you would literally die

devout grove
glacial rampart
rotund shore
#

Now all it really does is cause destruction

scenic olive
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do you know why they called it Ravager

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I Headcanon ravager as a name the terrarian gave

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The final lines of the exo mech bestiaries refer to souls of fright, might, and sight, very cool

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honestly i thought the lore items was it lol

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ok. time to spend a few hours reading and organizing it

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Like, yharim doesn’t know ravager is the god of sacrifices, so the lore item gives shockingly little, whilst bestiary gives a ton more