lore-discussion

[ionic harness]

hi guys

anyone doing anything cool rn

lorewise ofc

nothing much lol. im just looking for a distraction

tryna see if anyone had any interesting lore to share

i feel like ive talked about most of the obvious stuff thats available with people already

ive always found the different gods interesting

they offer complex arguements depending on if youre for or against them

id honestly love to hear what your take is

[manic coral]

All I'll say is that this relies on quite a few assumptions

[wheat walrus]

The hottest take

[ionic harness]

hi cei

[wheat walrus]

Erm achualy

[ionic harness]

yharim kinda sucks fr

[wheat walrus]

There's more

[ionic harness]

i wont even sugar coat it

he genocided everyone

not just gods

to me, he kinda hides his genocidal side under a false sense of heroisism

claiming that hes doing it for the dragons

im not truing to argue

but im just like

sharing my own perspective

[wheat walrus]

Yknow you're right when talking about gods in a sense, but not all gods were like that as far as we know, that's Yharim's flawed assumption and definitely one of the assumptions Cei pointed at

Still

Yharim was justified in starting a war given what was done to him, but he was not justified in taking it anywhere near as far as he did

That's my take

[wheat walrus]

This is my take on this statement

Sadly, we don't have much material about gods besides Yharim's takes, but the little we have quite notably implies that not all gods suck honestly

The dmmaxxer

[spring helm]

bro

[wheat walrus]

burrow

Fair

[manic coral]

do you have a source for this that isn't the dude who wants to kill them all

[wheat walrus]

He doesn't yet

[manic coral]

that ignores all possible naunce

[wheat walrus]

Pretty sure he's slowly reading the doc right now, think he mentioned that earlier

Rn he forming takes with what he sees

Which is fair

Yeah

[manic coral]

Sorry, but I don't really accept dms from people I don't know that well

[spring helm]

why cant you just ask here

[wheat walrus]

😭

Dw this is the yap channel

[spring helm]

this is lore discussion channel and you are hesitating on discussing lore

[thorny halo]

Share with the class. Us lurkers need food

[manic coral]

what "sides" i literally write most of the story

[calm patio]

[manic coral]

assumign you're talking to me

[wheat walrus]

Writermaxxed

[manic coral]

i didn't "leave them out" it's called soemthing being work in progress

[visual kiln]

why did u say clueless here

[oblique comet]

[manic coral]

they're not there becuase they aren't done yet becuase it is waiting for other things people work on to get done

[earnest flare]

wait then

[manic coral]

it's like saying we "left out" yharim

[ionic harness]

cei make braelor like ants and my soul is yours

[wheat walrus]

It's time to wait I'd say

[wheat walrus]

(do it fr)

[oblique comet]

just drop a massive incomplete spoiler into this channel what could go wrong

[ionic harness]

im begging you

[wheat walrus]

Learn the lore way

[earnest flare]

best way to get patience is to wait :D

good luck

[ionic harness]

welcome to lore lol

[manic coral]

development had been admittadly kinda slow lately

[oblique comet]

its like waiting for a new berserk chapter fr ong

you dont think about it until it comes up and immediately your day is better

[wheat walrus]

Crazy

[ionic harness]

cant wait to date yharim

[manic coral]

there's a lot im waiting to drop for sunken sea overhaul for example

[ionic harness]

popcorn do you have that pic of braent

[spring helm]

Silva doing her thing is what allowed the brimstone crags to exist

[ionic harness]

i need my best pfp back

[spring helm]

so there's one god that's not evil

[earnest flare]

me when bestiary (unbiased and omnicient)

[wheat walrus]

What cient?

[ionic harness]

thank you

mother silva is so good fr

[wheat walrus]

Huh

[ionic harness]

huh

[earnest flare]

i saw what you deleted

[wheat walrus]

What did I see

[earnest flare]

mods kill this guy with hammers

right now

[calm patio]

[wheat walrus]

This badass cat 12k years ago

[wheat walrus]

No

[earnest flare]

who let him cook

[ionic harness]

i mean like

we dont know that the dragons were good

personally

id kill a dickhead dragon to become a good god

[oblique comet]

what if

everyone was bad

or

[earnest flare]

nuh uh

my man aquatic scourge is innocent

[spring helm]

Even yharim himself says that nobody knows what happened between Xeroc and Zeratros.
It is quite possible that since Zeratros was dying and his power was going to be lost forever, he wanted to pass his power on to someone he trusted (Xeroc).

[ionic harness]

like that shrek meme with the frog

[thorny halo]

What if the dragons couldn't uuhhh respawn due to moonlord and big head dragon (forgor his name) kinda willingly let xeroc sloorp his soul? And yeah maybe that caused some bad actors do it with unwilling dragons... and some that see it as complete bullshit and a major L (Yharon) who spreads only his biased side?

Just a lil cracklurk theory

[warm gull]

lore discussion is looking like a solid 3/10 rn

[ionic harness]

lore discussion is as good as always

[earnest flare]

wonder who that guy is

no actually aido was cooking

[oblique comet]

what if the whole war was a complex event where each side had its own reasoning as to why they did certain things, similar to the Cold War where it was much less people being morally wrong/right

[earnest flare]

...

[oblique comet]

who

me?

[spring helm]

That last line of prelude especially

One mortal, sworn to the service of the Dragons, rose in determination to save their virtuous King.
Xeroc approached Zeratros with the intention of saving the dragon's life.
Considering that Xeroc was the first god, it is possible that Zeratros taught him the ritual to ascend. Perhaps it was a secret that the dragons kept in case a situation like this ever occured

[ionic harness]

let kaya cook

[earnest flare]

ok but like
have you ever read the rock's tooltip

[ionic harness]

the world is morally grey at best

[earnest flare]

you literally get xeroc's entire reasoning for ascension

[spring helm]

Rock tooltip

[spare pier]

God I cooked so hard with that

[ionic harness]

rebecca

[calm patio]

true

[spare pier]

Me and Cei

[earnest flare]

speaking of the rock, did you know that the wiki editors added the recipe for the boss rush t5 music box as well as the monolith way too early???

[spare pier]

I refined it and had the initial idea but she made the content

[warm gull]

xeroc ascended because the dragons frankly weren't capable of defending the planet and that was demonstrated very plainly

[ionic harness]

dragons smell

yharon is feeding his racist agenda to yharim

[wheat walrus]

You're THE CHEF❗

[oblique comet]

personally I just like killing people imo tbh tbf imho iirc

[wheat walrus]

plumg

[oblique comet]

this is why I pick Yharims side cus I can kill more people as training before killing the stronger people

who are the people on the same side as me

[ionic harness]

braelor better

[visual kiln]

hiiii :3

[earnest flare]

did you know that the yharmor allows yermes to fly without wings

[ionic harness]

perchance

[earnest flare]

no

just in another dimension

[ionic harness]

perchancen't

[earnest flare]

what

they are both alive

[ionic harness]

you must not know about the ant army...

[calm patio]

pusheen just said hes in another dimension..

[earnest flare]

its confirmed that you'll literally be able to interact with both

?????

read

[ionic harness]

braelor is in the distortion

[warm gull]

Braelor is stuck in distortion and statis is free

[earnest flare]

no

[spring helm]

Here's one interpretation of it:

It says "even the stone refused the course of time". This implies that on the Dragon Aerie, nothing ever changed. Ever since the dragon came into power, however long ago that was, the world had remained stagnant.

The monk is obviously Xeroc, who I think is currently deliberating on the ascension ritual and whether to perform it.
The line "Who dared to question history and stare into fate" tells me that Xeroc is the first person in history to have the power to change the status quo and have a desire to do so.

i ran out of inspiration im going to eat watermelon now

[ionic harness]

summertime watermelon is always good

[earnest flare]

it literally says that he sent both to the distortion but ok

[calm patio]

thats old lore

DoG ate both statis and braelor

back in the old lore

[warm gull]

statis struck a deal with signus or escape the distortion some other way according to the yhar

[earnest flare]

anyways did you guys know that sepulcher gains extra health in rev+

[ionic harness]

braelor is stuck in the distortion

[spring helm]

why

[warm gull]

braelor is stuck in distortion and will be an npc

[wheat walrus]

You're mistakemaxxed

[earnest flare]

omni you havent even seen 75% of the times ive told people this

[warm gull]

the rot consumes

[spring helm]

i dont think DoG even eats

[wheat walrus]

Don't care

[earnest flare]

the devs literally have no idea

[wheat walrus]

[ionic harness]

Distructor of Guys

[spring helm]

yeah because he's a liar liar pants on fire

DoG gave himself the title

[ionic harness]

bro cant even eat a god

[earnest flare]

i mean he could-

[oblique comet]

erm devour doesnt necessarily mean ea

[ionic harness]

yharim is unrealistic

i mean unreliable

[earnest flare]

ok but what doesnt dog lie about

[spare pier]

This implies DoG can kill the guy who at one point was physically stronger than Yharim

[spring helm]

Eater of Worlds doesn't eat worlds guys

[spare pier]

Guys

[ionic harness]

braelor likes ants

right

[spring helm]

dev confirmation, braelor's stronger than yharim

[earnest flare]

left

[spring helm]

🥳

[ionic harness]

been waiting on that one

[spare pier]

"An entity of many titles and reputations, it is easy to conflate the truth and myths of its many legendary deeds. Though Yharim once believed that the essence he devours is utterly and completely erased from existence, it is a fundamental rule of creation that energy cannot be destroyed– it can only be transferred from one form to another."

[earnest flare]

oh man i sure hope this line isnt alluding to anything

[spring helm]

lmao Yharim again believing incorrect things

[spare pier]

Though Yharim once believed that the essence he devours

[languid badge]

cant believe this

[oblique comet]

devours ❗❗❗❗

[earnest flare]

the destroyer doesnt actually destroy

[celest kettle]

Yummers

[ionic harness]

did you guys know that providence cosplays as jojo siwa

its a fact

[spring helm]

i think this one was true actually

[earnest flare]

this man dies to destroyer ^

laugh at this user

[spring helm]

SHUT UP

NO I DIDNT

[warm gull]

destroyer destroys your npcs regardless of whether you die to him

[ionic harness]

easiest mech boss

[spare pier]

But yeah no I'm not even going to entertain this idea because this was exactly one of the things I hated the most in Old Lore

[spring helm]

skeletron prime is the destroyer, always blowing up my arena

[spare pier]

DoG is a liar, but you can't be called "DEVOURER OF GODS" if you didn't, y'know

Kill several Gods

[earnest flare]

ok but like
why arent the exos' names displayed as what the terrarian thinks they are called like the regular mechs

is there a lore reason

[spring helm]

one of the unfortunate cases of an annoyingly arrogant person being justified

[ionic harness]

bro calls me kid

[spring helm]

draedon specifically names them before you summon

[warm gull]

I believe the leading theory is that dog sends the god essence he gets to the distortion for his boss noxus

[spring helm]

so that it doesnt happen again

[earnest flare]

he did that with the normal mechs too

[ionic harness]

draedon when the twins

[spring helm]

i dont think we ever talk to draedon until post-moon lord

[ionic harness]

😦

[wheat walrus]

Dardon

[earnest flare]

ok but draedon did name the hallowed mechs

[ionic harness]

nuh uhhhh

[earnest flare]

he was just worse at naming when they were made

[warm gull]

why did draedon name skeletron prime that

[spring helm]

yeah but the terrarian didnt know them
i meant draedon tells the terrarian the exo-mech's names before you fight them

[warm gull]

like did he specifically know about the random old man cursed at the dungeon and name it after his curse

[spring helm]

[ionic harness]

draedon didnt name the original mechs

that was us

[warm gull]

oh gotcha

[earnest flare]

aido have you seen draetalk

[spare pier]

I personally like to believe Old Man came after Skeletron Prime

[ionic harness]

aido has indeed

[spring helm]

so it's actually Skeletron Origin!?!?!??

[warm gull]

why does his curse look exactly like the bigass robot that drae made

[ionic harness]

cuz its funnier that way

[wheat walrus]

Funi

[spare pier]

The Cultists and Yharim were friends

[warm gull]

right

[spring helm]

were

before the incident

[earnest flare]

ok but like what if we didnt abide by draedon's exo names and named them wrong again

what would we call them

[ionic harness]

skeletron neo

[warm gull]

uh ares would be uhhh

[wheat walrus]

Destroyer maximum

[warm gull]

megatron

[spare pier]

And I think the visage meant to evoke horror and fear known for torching civillians would be a very effective deterrent from people trying to invade the Dungeon

[ionic harness]

MEGATRON IS AMAZING

[warm gull]

megatron is a transformer

[ionic harness]

the twins (again)

[earnest flare]

reusing is just lazy

[spring helm]

Samurai X

Call it "Super God Killer Machine Mk.5" and watch Draedon blow a fuse

[ionic harness]

EYEBALLS OF OMEGA DEATH

[earnest flare]

calamity au where the terrarian names everything

[warm gull]

the synchronic spectators or something idk

[ionic harness]

dumb and dumber

[spring helm]

well, now i know what i'm including in my fanfic

fun thing is Draedon is right there watching you fight the Exo-Mechs

he'll get to see you name them in real time

[ionic harness]

draedon likes to watch

[warm gull]

draedon tells us the real name and we just keep calling them our dumbass ones in forced ignorance

to assert dominance

"I killed it so I get to name it"

[ionic harness]

ah

[earnest flare]

the year is 1900 or something, draedon has made a new trio of mechanical creations
"skeletron gamma, the annihilator, twins 3"

[warm gull]

the thrins

[ionic harness]

when are we getting the wall of steel

[earnest flare]

never

the wall of bronze is superior

[warm gull]

when andromeda comes out

[spring helm]

2nd phase starts, Twins arrive
"These two are Artemis and Apollo. They are designed to work in tandem by-"
"Gasp! It's like the Twins but stronger!!! Their names must be Rocket Rammer and Ocular Opposition, the Super Twins!!!"
"I hate you."

[ionic harness]

andromeda was that scrapped draedon fight right

[warm gull]

peak fiction

[earnest flare]

"the big guy's name is ares, his arms were rigorou-"
"skeletron neo"
"how foolish. you cannot escape"

you know why doesnt draedon always enrage ares-

[warm gull]

mfw enraging is a game mechanic and not lore based

[ionic harness]

calamitas and the terrarian are like mordecai and rigby. i wont elaborate

[spring helm]

"This one is Thanatos, the most heavily armoure-"
"I see... That body plan... It must be the Scourge of Devourers!"
"THEY'RE NOT EVEN REMOTELY RELATED YOU PIECE OF SHI—"

[earnest flare]

ok but how am i supposed to be immersed in the game if draedon fights inefficiently

[warm gull]

I feel like calamitas is too edgy to fit either one

[spare pier]

Isn't Ares' Enrage literally just increasing the size of the beams?

[earnest flare]

ares' enrage makes him attack faster

[warm gull]

very carefully

[ionic harness]

power consumption or something

wait no

[spare pier]

Canonizing enrages is impossible so don't care about them 👍

[earnest flare]

but he has infinite energy-

[ionic harness]

yeah

i forgor

[warm gull]

You could say that enraging drains his unlimited batteries faster or smth idk

[earnest flare]

rip night prov again

she dead

[warm gull]

No they have an explanation for night prov I think

[wheat walrus]

They just get mad

[ionic harness]

adrenaline but for bosses

[oblique comet]

night prov lore reason getting dropped once yharim comes out

[earnest flare]

also why doesnt draedon just constantly keep skeletron prime in the mode that instakills and takes no damage

[ionic harness]

that one has to be energy

that doesnt have the exo prisms

[spring helm]

skill check, if you can't land a hit on the boss in a certain amount of time they'll deal 250% more damage

[earnest flare]

skeletron prime can be enraged until the next night energy is not a concern

[warm gull]

Rebecca can you please explain the intricate lore reason for why calamitas summons a giant floating square for the fight

[spare pier]

Game mechanics!!

[ionic harness]

so tracers have a purpose for existing endgame

[earnest flare]

actually speaking of soul energy do the souls just degrade as their energy is siphoned, ripping apart one's very being-

[spring helm]

get hotboxed

[spare pier]

I like to think she summons a fire barrier you can't escape of

[earnest flare]

or am i overthinking this

[ionic harness]

calamitas is an undertale fan

[earnest flare]

also if thats the case then does the soul feel the pain of being ripped apart slowly

[warm gull]

Yall should make like a solid version of living fire blocks and use those as the arena border or smth (actually idk it might be better for visibility)

[earnest flare]

you know soul energy is very dark

[wheat walrus]

Just fly high enough

[warm gull]

Spherical barrier

[wheat walrus]

Rip

[warm gull]

omni can you calculate the power level of scal suddenly manifesting that many terraria blocks worth of volume instantly

[wheat walrus]

Idk

[spring helm]

how many blocks are there

actually i'll just look it up

so

632 blocks

[wheat walrus]

we'd need to find their 3rd dimension size and their density before calcing anything

3rd dimension size can just be assumed to be a cube ig

[spring helm]

assuming she only generates the blocks we can see, 632 cubic meters of

block

idk the density

[wheat walrus]

idk

[wheat walrus]

no that's not how it works

1 block is 2 ft wide, or 0,6096 meters wide

[spring helm]

really?

[wheat walrus]

assuming they're as wide as they are tall, just do 0,6096 x 0,6096 to get the 2dimensional surface area of one block

[spring helm]

i thought it was a meter

[oblique comet]

3m tall terrarian...

[wheat walrus]

so, 0,3716 m2 per block

however we'll assume it's 3d so lemme change that rq

[spring helm]

okay so, assuming that the 3-dimensional cube calamitas makes is 159x159x159, according to my calculator that makes 100,488 blocks

oh wait

[wheat walrus]

that'd be 0,0513 cubic meters per block

[spring helm]

my bad im missing 2 more faces

[wheat walrus]

yeah that'd have to be accounted for

but I was mainly looking at individual blocks

[wheat walrus]

do this multiplied by the amount of blocks, 632, and you get 32,4216 cubic meters of blocks

assuming that each of the blocks we see has a 3rd dimension

but it also assumes that it's still a square and not a full box

[spring helm]

okay so added the last two faces of the cube if the arena was 3d
2(159x159) + 2(159x157) + 2(157x157)

149,786

correct my math if i'm wrong

so a 3d box arena would have 149,786 blocks

55,660.4476 cubic meters

[wheat walrus]

multiply by this ig

[wheat walrus]

that seems tasty

now we need a density

[spring helm]

okay then

let's just make a rough estimate

the arena block kinda looks like brimstone slag

makes sense thematically since Calamitas uses Brimstone magic

of course brimstone slag isn't exactly real

so i'm going to substitute it with a real life mineral that kinda fits

[scenic olive]

Good day lore dwellers

[warm gull]

morrow

1233popcorn

[spring helm]

gypsum is a soft mineral that contains sulfur and has a density of around 2.3 g/cm^3. Granite has a density of around 2.5 2.8 g/cm^3 and is much tougher so this is a lowball.

converting our units, that's 2300kg/m^3

so Omni's 2d calculation of the arena would amount to 74,569.68kg of blocks.
Using Einstein's famous equation of mass-energy equivalence, that's 6.7x10^18 kilojoules of energy which is about 1601 megatons of TNT

hello

[wheat walrus]

Yesssss

Lesssss gooo

[warm gull]

So in order to instantly fabricate 74,569.68 kilograms of blocks, you need 6.7x10^18 kilojoules of energy??

[leaden bridge]

Megatons

[spring helm]

so for the energy needed to make a 159x159x159 box of gypsum

2300kg/m^3 * 55,660.4476 cubic meters

128,019,029.5kg of gypsum

which has an energy equivalent of 1.15x10^22 kilojoules or 2,748,565.97 megatons of tnt

[wheat walrus]

Kilojoules

[leaden bridge]

Megatoning out right now

[wheat walrus]

Holy moly

[spring helm]

2d to 3d conversion, big stuff

[wheat walrus]

Those are 2,7 tnt teratons, so Small Country Level easily

[warm gull]

Omni what power level is 6.7×10^18 kJ

[wheat walrus]

Pretty sure Large Mountain

[spring helm]

holy shit guys

[leaden bridge]

Our favorite part was when scal said it's megatoning time

[mortal osprey]

Tsar Bomba was 50 megatons

[spring helm]

we push calamitas into small country level!!!

[wheat walrus]

City Level+

[mortal osprey]

Kaplooey

[wheat walrus]

58 megatons actually

[warm gull]

Is this more insane than boiling the ilmeran sea???

[spring helm]

(by the power of inaccurate speculation)

[mortal osprey]

City buster

[wheat walrus]

The ilmeran sea was at least 5,8 Teratons

[wheat walrus]

Ya

[spring helm]

damn

[warm gull]

To be fair creating matter from nothing seems harder than boiling water

[wheat walrus]

Yea

[spring helm]

making an arena pushed calamitas to replicating half the power of her greatest feat

[warm gull]

but calamitas can summon infinite numbers of these arenas

[spring helm]

well tbf this is just the energy that that much material is equivalent to

making and shaping likely requires much more

[wheat walrus]

Mass-energy conversion

[warm gull]

It's fucking insane to me that matter is just like

really really dense energy

and vice versa

[spring helm]

if you try to pull apart two quarks (which really really don't want to be separated), the amount of energy added to the system to overcome the strong force will generate two new quarks to bond to the originals

[warm gull]

And it's weird that it requires so much to change a tiny piece of matter into energy and that it reacts so violently

[spring helm]

anyway now we get a canon reason as to why calamitas is stronger in Legendary difficulty

the arena is smaller so she spends less energy creating it

[sly bloom]

If you work with mass-energy conversions for creating matter, then creating a gram is city level. That's a Hiroshima bomb

[warm gull]

😭

[wheat walrus]

Hiroshima bomb is town level, not city

Slight difference in title, notable one in scaling

[sly bloom]

Right

[buoyant inlet]

Hello lore chat

What do we think of my new take on eidolon wyrm (normal guy, not the boss)

[mighty zenith]

whael

[celest kettle]

Giant ass fish

Size 1

[warm gull]

that is a shark or a whale

well anatomically sharkish

But got whale inspiration for the head

[buoyant inlet]

It's a sea reptile that's convergently similar to whales

Just like whales (sperm whales in particular) he eats colossal squids

[earnest flare]

that's WHAT similar?????

[warm gull]

convergent evolution is a real term

ever heard of carcinization

[spring helm]

They unwormed my wyrm

[warm gull]

true

[spring helm]

Can’t have shit in Calamity

[warm gull]

eidolon whale

[spring helm]

Looks pretty cool

But I feel like it fits more as a separate creature than as the eidolon wyrm

Then again, I guess that’s just what “new take” means

[warm gull]

yeah I had the same thought

Honestly seems more like a reaper shark resprite

[real silo]

the front fins are so delicious

Big medium small...

[warm gull]

It also sorta looks like a Leedsichthys from ark

[wheat walrus]

[warm gull]

With the rounded head and all

And the drooping tail

etc

[wheat walrus]

makes me think more of livyatan

[warm gull]

Nah that one has a big belly

leedsichthys has the same tapered look

[wheat walrus]

I sorta see what you're saying though

I still think that troodon's new wyrm is mad peakin

[warm gull]

It is cool yeah

I just dunno if it looks wyrmish

Wyrms have been kind of a hot topic recently

And worms for that matter

[wheat walrus]

wormlamity lol

[buoyant inlet]

My wyrm was inspired by sperm whales

This is correct

Because I imagine they feed on colossal squids

Wait I already said that

Dementia

[warm gull]

dementdon

[pliant ruin]

peak

I think it'd be nice if the colors were a little more on the bluish side kind of like the old sprite though

I prefer ghostly blue EW over the dark black rocky one

atleast in terms of palette

i mean it was literally ghost leviathan but it was still a cool palette

but that's probably just my preference anyways

[buoyant inlet]

I tried to diverge from blue colors because I think there's already a lot of blue things in the abyss

More color variety is appreciated

Tho I think the body still can be more colorful, yeah

I kinda wanted to to that with ornaments but wasn't able to execute it just right

[earnest flare]

a bit late but fixed now

[wheat walrus]

yharim after warcrimemaxxing for 100 years and then getting carried by DoG and Draedon after fighting the actual goats (Braelor and Statis)

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-dance-hakari-jjk-gif-934314822346932465

[buoyant inlet]

Tho I suppose something like that can be better

[warm gull]

ohhhh

dude

ngl

this could've been a really dope subnautica leviathan

[visual bane]

what does this creature consume

[pliant ruin]

yeahhh this is awesome

[warm gull]

your mother

[pliant ruin]

squibs

[visual bane]

my mother is a squid...

[open ruin]

Hi 🧀

[pliant ruin]

hi akari

[haughty creek]

If all the exo mechs are named after Greek gods, does that mean the Greek pantheon is canon

[sinful adder]

I think it is not wyrmy

[buoyant inlet]

It was not meant to be

Frankly I want to make his body a bit longer but I can't due to app limitations

But it won't affect his body plane much

He's still whale

[sinful adder]

Cool design but I would make the leviathan look like that and have the wyrms be, well, worm-like

[real silo]

Nope

The god of death does not exist

[buoyant inlet]

I'd make leviathan more serpent like

Since, well, leviathan is a sea serpent

From the Bible

[warm gull]

there was a dragon of death

the god of sacrifices took his soul

or was it the god of the sea

can't rember

[real silo]

sea is my favourite form of death

(it's the god of sacrifices)

sea god's dragon is not known yet

[buoyant inlet]

Dragon of ambiguously sized water areas

[buoyant inlet]

Also when I make designs from cal, I usually try to stay away from the current design points and try to move forward and be innovative, while keeping theming and/or just general idea

[pliant ruin]

wyrm dosen't even necessarily have to mean worm

its a fantasy creature, semantics dont rly matter at the end of the day

[buoyant inlet]

I kinda think that current cal has a problem of sticking to old ideas and concepts too much

Mostly just HPU stuff, really, tho not only

[pliant ruin]

like

greatwyrms in dnd

they arent even serpentine

or wormlike

theyre just big ass dragons

[buoyant inlet]

There's not much innovative force

[glacial rampart]

No, they're just cool af names

[pliant ruin]

and again its a fantasy creature so it dosent rly matter tbh

[buoyant inlet]

Like iban was very innovative

Triangle is too

[pliant ruin]

i think the newer designs have been rly innovative but i kind of see what you mean though its mostly to do with some of the like

semi-recent but nto actually too recent side of things

[random mulch]

ravager's redesign is so god damn good

[pliant ruin]

like i think it's important to acnowledge that alot of the time it's not just the sprite that's outdated, it's the design too

polterghast's resprite would've not been anywhere near as cool as it seems like it will be if we got a sprite of the same level of quality that kept the plantera looking design

[random mulch]

real

[pliant ruin]

like

we have 3 space worms and 2 of them are incredibly similar design-wise

wouldnt it be cool if one of them was de-wormified

or atlesat just given a significantly more distinct design

deus being dewormified has been a popular idea from what ive seen but may i add that i think weaver could work for it too

the only issue would be that it'd make yharim seem unreasonably stupid for thinking its the same species as dog but thats just a minor thing that can be changed

[random mulch]

i dont mind the worms outright, but being too similar is an issue

vanillamity's take on deus is still a worm in some sense but it's a lot more distinct compared to DoG & weaver

[warm gull]

With cal's relatively arbitrary domains I wouldn't even be surprised 😭

[strong notch]

technically 4 if you count cosmic guardians

[random mulch]

wouldnt be surprised of cosmic guardians god removed with the DoG rework

[strong notch]

why would he need them with that size increase

i honestly wonder how the fight will look like with DoG actually being the size of DoG and not just a slightly larger Storm Weaver

[random mulch]

i hope the rest of DoG's body isnt just purple generic worm

[warm gull]

I literally can't imagine how a worm fight would work at that scale

[strong notch]

Would be cool if those were like background attacks

[random mulch]

which is a good thing cause that means the devs are gonna need to be creative

[strong notch]

kinda like Inf Ares

[open ruin]

Oversized exo beams

[split mortar]

I think dog will have much fewer segments to account for the fact that its head is like the size of moonlord

[random mulch]

indeed, DoG will have less segments

[scenic olive]

DoG

[spring helm]

Unsegmented dog

[humble folio]

DoG rework is gonna be like, massive right

[random mulch]

absolutely enormous

[humble folio]

iirc i saw a post here showing DoG ingame to be the size of like, yharon

the terrarian is like the height from 1 jaw to another if we talk in game no?

iirc

based off that it sounds bigger but not that much bigger

[random mulch]

this is going to be DoG's actual size in game compared to the current in game

complete and utter big boie

[spring helm]

All that size increase just to get gapped by the 5’ Calamitas

[humble folio]

[gritty dawn]

starlight river lore items

AURORACLE : 1) Is worshipped by the squiddites race, this race never shows up ingame, probably died out

2. we can make the guess that it is not a god since it has to channel aurora light just like the empress of light, who is not a god

3. literally in the same general are as draedon and the archmage, might be worth mentioning somehow

VITRIC DESERT : 1) was a part of illmeris

2. has a forge in it indicating that is was somehow industrial

3. is located above the sunken sea, might have something to do with it surviving?

4. is tended to by the glassweaver, and at some point by ceiros ( or atleast the temple in the center of it was )

5. might have been created by the glassweaver as far as we know, probably unrelated

[frozen axle]

I thought is calamity lore? This is star bridge liver mod

[gritty dawn]

would this work?

[gritty dawn]

i mean im thinking of how starlight river would fit into calamity lore

[frozen axle]

I beat starlight river master medium core easy

Am very good at terria

[spring helm]

ok

[gritty dawn]

ok

[frozen axle]

sorry

[gritty dawn]

GLASSWEAVER : 1) is ancient as far as we know, and is some sort of an glass insect so that might explain it

2. might have worked under the two gods that lived in the sea, that being the god of electricity ( Otonilou, dead? ) and the god of the sea ( Tyrian, alive in the sunken sea, atleast i think from the spoilers )

3. lost control of the forge at some point, so there were probably more like him

4. there is crystal in the sunken sea already so we could add that the crystal in the vitric desert would have been special in some way? i mean they have glass like properties

just wanted to add that in

CEIROS : 1) damaged sentinel that now guards the forge, might have been damaged in the destruction of illmeris

i dont know what else to add to ceiros maybe that there were more sentinels protecting the area?

i mean the whole vitric desert is still a desert, so it must have been attacked by calamitas

[spring helm]

not necessarily

it's not like the desert above the sunken sea is canonically the only desert on the continent

[gritty dawn]

the desert above the sunken sea was attacked by calamitas, the vitric desert is above the sunken sea

[pliant ruin]

tgey're both dead

otonilou and tyrian

[gritty dawn]

thanks for the info

anything else i got wrong

like it wouldnt make sense in calamity lore

[pliant ruin]

don't think so

[gritty dawn]

i dont know how to expand on the auroracle lore though to be honest

[scenic olive]

The Auricle

[gritty dawn]

it has to be from the perspective of yharim and all

[scenic olive]

oracle but in calamity

and it knows all about auric souls

[gritty dawn]

no i dont think auroracle would be a god

also that would like slime god 2.0

[pliant ruin]

i mean

idk anything about starlight river

but its like

a big squid

[gritty dawn]

yeah in a temple

[pliant ruin]

could just be a surviving creature from illmeris or something idk lol

[gritty dawn]

how would it get into the underground tundra biome?

[pliant ruin]

maybe it was transported there

like when it was a juvenile or somethintg

[gritty dawn]

i mean there is an extinct race connected to it

[pliant ruin]

some people see this weird squid beast and theyre like this must be a sign of GOD and they start worshipping the squid beast even though its literally just a random creature taht dosent understand what anything these people are saying mean but they give it free food so it dosent care

[gritty dawn]

oh yeah to the vitric crystal it has the property of channeling starlight

i forgot to add that

[pliant ruin]

i think thats a concept people should explore more

[scenic olive]

Is it ok to write up a lore on already dead god

[gritty dawn]

i mean it channels aurora light soo

[scenic olive]

yk because theres so many gods

[pliant ruin]

people worshipping something but said something is actually just a random ass creature that dosen't understand why these people worship it but it gets free food and water so it dosent care

it happens in real life too but i dont see it often in media

[scenic olive]

but we only see 2 and a half god in the mod

[pliant ruin]

i dont see why it wouldnt

if you want to lol

[gritty dawn]

i mean from the perspective of yharim it would be like " an ancient beast, now abandoned in its place of worship "

[gritty dawn]

i really dont think it was from illmeris, but i agree that it is just some random ass creature, since it attacks you after you give it food

also in starlight river there is water in the tundra

[pliant ruin]

it couldve also just been from like

the ocean

[gritty dawn]

i think it was like some ancient beast of a former time, frozen when the tundra first formed

discovered by an underground race that thought it was their god

" ancestor of channeling magic "

might have been one of the reasons archmage lived in the tundra i think?

[gritty dawn]

it is said to live in " impossibly cold waters "

[pliant ruin]

the ocean probably fits that

theres some pretty cold waters out there

[gritty dawn]

like i think it could have lived in the ocean that then got frozen over or something

[scenic olive]

what is a soul

in calamity

[gritty dawn]

but since all lore items are from yharim perspective i think ill just say that it was discovered frozen

[gritty dawn]

" remaining specimen of an ancient species capable of channeling aurora light in their hunt "

[pliant ruin]

if you want to write a yharim whisper item you gotta make yourself sound very self righteous and pretentious

and if its a god you have to insult it somehow

but i dont think the squid is a god in this case

[gritty dawn]

i dont think it is a god

and i think it was worshipped as one, so i dont know how yharim would think of the worshippers

like they found an ancient beast that predated magic, built a temple around it, and worshipped the unthinking thing

and permafrost studied it for inspiration or something idk lol

[urban hedge]

Why not have him insult the Squiddites then? He insults the Lihzahrds for worshipping a false god, although they did make it after their actual god was killed so it's a bit different

[pliant ruin]

yeah he'd probably insult the squidditees

[gritty dawn]

yeah he probably would to that

anyways how would the squiddites have gone extinct?

i mean draedon would be one anwser, but it could have been idk some natural cavein since they pretty much lived underground

most of their shrine things are underground except for that one all the way at the top

[pliant ruin]

i doubt draedon would go out of his way to make a entire species extinct, if anything i imagine he'd oppose that unless it was something he deemed necessary

[urban hedge]

Since it seems like the Squiddites have gone extinct, he'd probably say something about how their "foolishness" led them to not only worship a relatively weak creature as if it were a god, but also led them to extinction

[pliant ruin]

He'd probably want to preserve the existence of said species to further discover things about it

[gritty dawn]

so they probably died out naturally

[gritty dawn]

okay that works great

so the lore item would have to mention

" remaining specimen of an ancient species capable of channeling aurora light in their hunt "

" discovered by a underground squiddite race, which deemed it a god "

" their foolishness in such led them to their inevitable demise when dealing with such an ancient beast "

and there would be something like

uhh

[gritty dawn]

what would he say about us defeating the thing

i mean its an ancient beast which learned to channel " primordial light ", something simular to the giant clams using magic

and yharim does value queen bees

[urban hedge]

Not sure if he would like Auroracle nearly as much as bees

[gritty dawn]

bees

[pliant ruin]

The thing isn't that he exactly values bees that much

that's just kind of a meme

it's more so that he despises exerting control over others and he laments draedon doing that to a queen bee, leading him to pity them

[gritty dawn]

so would he say something like " such beasts should remain relics of the past ", or something like " such foolishness should be avoided " or something

i would say something like " such is the fate of fools who think better of themselves " but the squddites really just sort of worshipped the thing, i dont know if they got anything out of it

i mean there is randomly scattered aurora glass in the tundra, but thats about it

the beastiary entry is this : "An aquatic titan that stalks the impossibly cold waters behind its temple, channeling the light of the aurora into powerful magic to hunt its prey."

just thought i would mention that

[untold oracle]

What’s the most extreme atrocity Yharim committed?

[gritty dawn]

skeletron prime

burning people alive completely fine by yharim

[untold oracle]

What I mean is like the most disastrous act he has done

[spring helm]

I don’t think Yharim would insult people because they worship a false god

He doesn’t for Astrum Deus

[gritty dawn]

golem

i guess

[spring helm]

That’s because their original god left

[untold oracle]

Iirc he says Deus isn’t sinful

[spring helm]

Exactly

Astrum Deus isn’t a real god so he doesn’t hate it

The lihzahrds created a false god to replace their old one

There is a minor difference

[gritty dawn]

i think the other reason could be because they tried to make a temple for an ancient predator?

like

[untold oracle]

Nah, he views them as foolish

He doesn’t see golem as a god

I think

[gritty dawn]

something like that

[spring helm]

Golem isn’t a god, but the lihzahrds used to have one

[untold oracle]

Iirc he only hunts gods that consumed auric souls

[spring helm]

That’s likely why he doesn’t like them

[untold oracle]

So why does he hunt slime god then

[spring helm]

Because slime god is a real god

[gritty dawn]

" What a sad, piteous thing. Truly, a mockery in every sense of the word. "

[spring helm]

It absorbed an auric soul

[untold oracle]

Really?

[spring helm]

Because it’s an attempted replica of a god

[untold oracle]

I thought it was some being that formed a long long time ago

[gritty dawn]

anyways i dont know how to conclude the auroracle lore

[spring helm]

Yharim hates gods because to become a god, you have to absorb an auric dragon’s soul, which kills them permanently

[gritty dawn]

true

[untold oracle]

I see now

[spring helm]

Astrum Deus is sinless because it’s just some random animal that people started to worship because they saw it eating stars

[untold oracle]

I thought there were ”pure” gods too, that just exist

[spring helm]

Which is kind of similar to the squid thing you were talking about

[untold oracle]

At least iirc in the old lore slime god just existed

[gritty dawn]

i think i might add a detail that they fed auroracle to gain a piece of its aurora light, which explains the aurora glass

[untold oracle]

And created all slimes

[gritty dawn]

if you know they died of another reason

[untold oracle]

It would be so cool if Yharim flies on Yharon in the fight

Would make sense

[spring helm]

Yharon’s dead before you fight Yharim

[untold oracle]

But you don’t consume Yharon’s soul

So it doesn’t truly die

[spring helm]

Yharon will reincarnate, but that will take years

[untold oracle]

Ah

[spring helm]

Yharim’s only got like ten years left to live

[delicate oak]

i love how draedon basically explains the reasons of a fucked up worldgen

[untold oracle]

I haven’t read all the lore

[delicate oak]

in the planetoid log

[untold oracle]

I don’t wanna spoil myself too much

(Lmao why am I in this channel then)

[spring helm]

Lmao

Fair enough

[untold oracle]

It’s nice to read the lore bits

[delicate oak]

what god would you be if you somehow consumed yharon's soul?

i think its "the rebirth god"

[untold oracle]

Yharim has very mixed morals
Genocide - perfectly fine
Slavery - how DARE you

[delicate oak]

better end their misery than make them have more

[spring helm]

Unless you fulfill some specific thing that is still unknown for now, gods do not gain the same domain as the dragons whose soul they consume

[untold oracle]

Fair ig

[spring helm]

It would be related, but different

[untold oracle]

If said like that

[spring helm]

Slime God absorbed the auric soul of gluttony

The god of sacrifices absorbed the auric soul of death

[untold oracle]

How about providence?

[delicate oak]

dragon of flames i think

[untold oracle]

Providence is such a cool boss, looks just sick

[spring helm]

The only two examples of gods whose domains exactly match their dragons are Silve (life) and Xeroc (primordial light)

[delicate oak]

maybe like a "resurrection god" where instead of you being reborn, you make others reborn

its almost similar but not quite

[spring helm]

Maybe the god of cycles

[cosmic zenith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/958418404769943572/1102879179445370900/unknown.gif

[delicate oak]

or god of attempts because everytime you die, you respawn stronger (this did not make sense 😭)

[untold oracle]

I loved bumblebirb, wish they’ll make it a pet item from Yharon or Dragonfolly

[ionic harness]

Birb goes hard

[delicate oak]

i think there might be one in calamity vanities (idk)

[untold oracle]

I have it

Haven’t seen one

[delicate oak]

or maybe not

[untold oracle]

About wrath of the gods, is nameless deity Xeroc like some people say or is it just literally God

[humble folio]

It’s based off old lore (before the from the ashes update) xeroc

Who was just, a nigh omnipotent god of light created by other lesser light gods becoming one

It’s also why it kills noxus at the end of the fight

[wheat walrus]

nameless deity is not current lore xeroc, but it is inspired by the older iterations of xeroc

everything else typhoon said I'd say is correct

[delicate oak]

why not give him a name so hes no longer a "nameless" deity anymore?

[wheat walrus]

the mod for nameless deity isn't official

it's fanmade

[gritty dawn]

okay i somewhat formed a lore item thing for auroracle i think

[wheat walrus]

besides it was one of the calamity devs who requested for Nameless to not have Xeroc's name since that would cause a lot more confusion

[delicate oak]

i know but

[gritty dawn]

AURORACLE

• " the remaining specimen of an ancient aquatic species capable of channeling aurora light in their hunt "
• " discovered preserved in ice by an underground squiddite race, which would begin worshipping it as their god "
• " they would present offerings to their false deity in exchange for parts of its primordial light in the form of shards,
  which they would construct their shrines and temples out of "
• " in the end, their foolishness led to their inevitable demise when dealing with such an ancient beast "
• " the remains of their now bygone civilization stand as a testament, to those who think they can bend the ancient forces of this world to their will "

[delicate oak]

i just want to name a nameless deity

[gritty dawn]

here is what i got

[wheat walrus]

just call him John

[pliant ruin]

they probably just want to keep it nameless deity because it sounds unknowable and cool and stuff

like theoretically it probably has a name its just that we dont know it and cant comprehend it or whatever

[gritty dawn]

not really happy with it to be honest

[delicate oak]

nah im calling him "joe" for no reason

wish theres a mod that makes you rename any bosses

[spring helm]

Wrath John

[gritty dawn]

any feedback on the auroracle lore?

[pliant ruin]

John Wrath

[delicate oak]

john terminus

[pliant ruin]

John "Of Gods" Wrath

[delicate oak]

or john eternal garden

[spring helm]

interesting take

[gritty dawn]

i feel it could be improved a little but i just cant put my finger on it

i mean especially the shard part

i dont really feel its necessary

[delicate oak]

nvm im gonna call him "max"

[gritty dawn]

but then again

[delicate oak]

i will officially be calling nameless deity "max" from now on...

[wheat walrus]

johnny max

this goes hard as fuck actually

holy shit

[gritty dawn]

do you have any problems with it?

[delicate oak]

if this mod exists, i will rename draedon to spongebob

and rename his mechs to

ares to squidward
thanatos to patrick
artemis and apollo to mr krabs and plankton

[gritty dawn]

draedon to steve jobs

[delicate oak]

draedon to "rusty gamer"

[gritty dawn]

wheres the krusty krabs

[open ruin]

How strong is fovos/moon lord exactly?

Compared to xeroc and the others

[delicate oak]

no this is patrick

[wheat walrus]

only second to xeroc when he was at his prime

current moonlord is well

current moonlord level

but at his prime for all we know he's only second to current Xeroc

still doesn't get past Country Level rn

[delicate oak]

since the ashes update, is most post moonlord bosses on par with moon lord? (providence and polterghast are mose likely)

[gritty dawn]

one saibaman low diffs moonlord

[spring helm]

not a big problem, but i still don't see why yharim has an issue with the squiddites worshipping a false god.

Unless of course you mean for Yharim to dislike the Auroracle's existence due to its ability to use Primordial Light, something that he sees as only Zeratros should be able to. Then he would dislike the squiddites in turn for worshipping it.

If that was the case, then I'd add a little section comparing the Auroracle to the dragons. Something like "Only the dragons were worthy".

[wheat walrus]

no diffs actually

this is so goofy mane

[open ruin]

Ah

[wheat walrus]

I'm the powerscaler guy

[gritty dawn]

i meant prime fovos

[delicate oak]

nah its yamcha

[wheat walrus]

yes

[spring helm]

the tiny explosion that took out yamcha during the saiyan saga would unironically destroy anyone in calamity

[wheat walrus]

I'm not kidding when I say that one saibaman is at least moon level unironically

it's so goofy

[pliant ruin]

i could kill saibaman

many of them

like 100

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/saibaman-dragon-ball-sayan-saga-gif-27598561

[pliant ruin]

im powerful

[open ruin]

cheese you will disintegrate

[pliant ruin]

no im strong

[delicate oak]

imagine spending 600+ years building the exo mechs only to get turned to exotic ashes by a saibaman

[gritty dawn]

i mean auroracle uses aurora light, which i guess is simular to the primordial light empress of light uses which im pretty sure is different from the one the dragons use

[open ruin]

Anyways is there any concept art for fovos?

[wheat walrus]

no

[open ruin]

Also I noticed moon lord doesn't have his own lore item just drops the requiem

[gritty dawn]

and its not like he has a problem, but its just objectively stupid to worship a beast and not expect it to you know

[wheat walrus]

oh yeah btw #lore-discussion message

for calling moonlord and fovos

[open ruin]

Alr Imma assume he's moon lord with legs

[spring helm]

easy enough comparison

Master Roshi blew up the moon during the 21st budokai tenckaichi. Goku and Piccolo would both far suprass that by the beginning of Dragon Ball Z. Then Raditz easily gapped those two in raw strength. Saibamen are all Raditz level.

[delicate oak]

i think the "prelude" explains how the dragons almost got killed by moonlord (or did i read the lore wrong?)

[open ruin]

Didn't know one of my favourite vanilla bosses was that important in cal lore

[wheat walrus]

blowing up the moon from that distance can be calced up to large planet level 🙏

let that slide

[delicate oak]

speaking about powerscaling, is mosquito human level? it can hurt a human a bit.

[wheat walrus]

idk doubt

[pliant ruin]

my favorite vanilla boss has absolutely no meaningful contributions to cal lore and has only like 2 lines of lore

:(

[pliant ruin]

i'm human level

wait no

[tired lagoon]

Is providence evil?

[pliant ruin]

im stronger than that

ye

providence is evil asf

[wheat walrus]

I will kill you is what providence would tell you

[spring helm]

nah the beams keep their strength until they disappear, no drop in power fr. Toriyama told me from beyond the grave

[wheat walrus]

and she would do that

[open ruin]

Who's that

[pliant ruin]

empress

[gritty dawn]

what boss?

[gritty dawn]

empress of light is just providence copied

[pliant ruin]

but tbf every vanilla boss minus moon lord is kind of meaningless

[mighty zenith]

she wouldnt even say it

[gritty dawn]

relogic stole providence idea

[wheat walrus]

yes

[mighty zenith]

she'd just kill you

[wheat walrus]

she'd do it

[delicate oak]

btw, how does the terrarian scale? (based off the bosses it has beaten)

[pliant ruin]

if providence had a bible it'd just be the lowtiergood speech over and ovre and nothing else

[gritty dawn]

yamcha level max

[spring helm]

only has high AP, no destructive feats
Calamitas solos

[mighty zenith]

unironically yamcha would destroy every calamity character

[wheat walrus]

country level at best

[mighty zenith]

[tired lagoon]

If you think about it the moonlord is injured because we kill the cultist before they can fully heal him

[pliant ruin]

id destroy yamcha

[wheat walrus]

as of now

[pliant ruin]

the cultists aren't healing ML

[delicate oak]

what if the empress of light is the elemental of light?

hot waifu + able to channel the primordial light (as her element)

[wheat walrus]

wish I could upscale calamity a bit rn

[pliant ruin]

not in calamity lore anyways

[open ruin]

I mean if you take terrarian's theoretical max strength probably a lot

[pliant ruin]

and ye hes injured but not bc of that

[spring helm]

idk about that bro, the terrarian can't even blow up blocks with the Supernova

[open ruin]

Based off bosses not that high

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/gliznorp-alien-cat-bald-green-gif-7415781222793666173

[gritty dawn]

i mean xeroc is barely planet level, which is nappa level, which nappa low diffs yamcha

[tired lagoon]

Think abt it itll make sense

[wheat walrus]

no

xeroc is country level

[pliant ruin]

they aren't

that's vanilla terraria lore

[mighty zenith]

he low diffed saiyan saga yamcha

[pliant ruin]

calamity =/ terraria

[spring helm]

what the fuck when did xeroc become planet level

[mighty zenith]

compare that to cell saga yamcha

[pliant ruin]

lorewise, anyways

[wheat walrus]

barely planet level is a massive highball for xeroc given current material

[wheat walrus]

never :3

[delicate oak]

i remember when some dude was like "if the terrarian killed xeroc, they would solo 40% of fiction"

[tired lagoon]

Ok

[spring helm]

[open ruin]

Anyways forget dragon ball, what verse would cal mostly compare to

[pliant ruin]

In calamity lore the cult is actually keeping ML sealed

[wheat walrus]

maybe nameless deity idk calamity addon scaling is odd

[gritty dawn]

im pretty sure it was stated somewhere

[mighty zenith]

no one should actually care about how high calamity scales

[pliant ruin]

i care because it means uhmmmm

[delicate oak]

jujutsu kaisen

[tired lagoon]

Is nameless diety evil?

[pliant ruin]

[wheat walrus]

I would love to say Monster Hunter but right now Monster Hunter things have quite a lot of calcs

[open ruin]

can't nameless make black holes

[pliant ruin]

idk lol

[open ruin]

[wheat walrus]

actually yes for the most part

[pliant ruin]

fanmade idk anything about it

actually

wait no

i remember

it isnt

[tired lagoon]

How

[pliant ruin]

aza told me a while back the wotg lore

[spring helm]

get terrarian past Infinity bro

[open ruin]

based off his dialogues nameless isn't evil

[wheat walrus]

a year ago, but dev statements for scaling I don't wanna use unless it's about character power relative to another character, and planet level for calamity is kinda baseless as of now

[pliant ruin]

nameless deity is like

literally god

[tired lagoon]

Ok

[pliant ruin]

its the universe itself or something like that

like nameless is the literal embodiment of ur universe

or osmething

[wheat walrus]

yeah

[open ruin]

The dialogue between you and him during the staircase scene shows it

[wheat walrus]

calamity addon scaling vs calamity main lore scaling goes crazy

[open ruin]

Casually kicks you out of the game

Can any other boss do that

[pliant ruin]

me

i can

[open ruin]

yes you can we get it cheese

[spring helm]

can you even scale the terrarian off the nameless deity fight

[open ruin]

You're multiversal

[open ruin]

You do kind of thrash deity with endgame gear

[spring helm]

da fuk>

[tired lagoon]

What are the 3 sentinels of dogs purpose?

[spring helm]

i must have skill issue then because my ass was getting one shot every time

[pliant ruin]

they're not his sentinels

old lore moment

[delicate oak]

what about a mod that makes moonlord "the strongest being in the universe" in their lore, while another mod is like "the moon lord is the lord of the moon who can destroy the planet with its full power"

[pliant ruin]

they don't serve him or really have any direct ties with hm

[tired lagoon]

Oh

[pliant ruin]

they do share one thing in common though is that they're all connected to the distortion somehow

[wheat walrus]

nameless deity's absolute lowest end scaling is at least star to solar system level given black hole creation usually scales at that level

[pliant ruin]

DoG and Weaver both come from it

[open ruin]

If I use the penetrator from fargos souls then I could become moon lord tbh

[tired lagoon]

My childhood is ruined

[pliant ruin]

Signus is able to travel to it

[gritty dawn]

i think i could start on the vitric desert lore item

[pliant ruin]

And Ceaseless is

well

a portal to it

[wheat walrus]

idk!

[untold oracle]

Isn’t nameless just the deity that created Terraria

Like the real god

[pliant ruin]

Something like that

[wheat walrus]

probs

[open ruin]

Okay that reminds me, cal bosses vs mutant who wins

[spring helm]

i dont believe it for a second!!!! that's hax!!!!! this fraud is not getting past planet level ong ong frr!!!!

[wheat walrus]

mutant lol

[wheat walrus]

he literally compressed a star

[pliant ruin]

does mutant even like

[untold oracle]

It’s just such a cool concept that you’re so powerful the literal god is the only entity you can fight against

[pliant ruin]

have lore

isnt it just haha funny bullet hell boss

[open ruin]

Fargos probably has lore

[mighty zenith]

nameless fraudeity

[open ruin]

But no one talks about it

[spring helm]

A MAN'S AGENDA
HAS NO END!!!!!

[wheat walrus]

fr composite nergigante solos

[open ruin]

Mutant is just the Amalgamation of every boss you fight to get to him, kind of like a final test

[tired lagoon]

Who would win providence or yharon

[mighty zenith]

im pretty sure fargos has literally no lore on purpose

[wheat walrus]

yharon

lol

[pliant ruin]

yharon

[tired lagoon]

Ok

[pliant ruin]

you fougth him after her for a reason lol

[spring helm]

the boss progression roughly matches the canon power level of the bosses

[delicate oak]

what is the strongest modded terraria boss ever? like the strongest? (excluding mods that adds stuff from other games (gensokyo mod), and joke bosses (like echdeath from an old version of fargo's souls)

[open ruin]

That's kinda what makes mutant a good fight because everything he does has been done by every boss before so it makes a perfect final boss

[mighty zenith]

the only thing that sorta counts is
deviantt, abominationn and mutant are siblings

[wheat walrus]

idk

[spring helm]

i havent played all of them yet

[tired lagoon]

Who would win profaned gurdians or dragonfolly😁

[pliant ruin]

idk

[open ruin]

Infinity zero, mutant

[wheat walrus]

wars

[spring helm]

maybe The Stars Above, shit gets wild in that mod

[pliant ruin]

theyre both the most nothing guys from post ml

[gritty dawn]

what species were the citizens of illmeris?

[open ruin]

stars above bosses aren't going over DoG's level