#lore-discussion

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rotund shore
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I mean yeah, who else could punch a massive explosion in a wall

sturdy current
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Oh also about the dragon aerie. Does it exist in a different realm? Draedon speaks as if it doesn't exist in the normal realm

manic coral
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hello

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who knows!

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i do

sturdy current
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I have so many questions for you

manic coral
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most will be answers in time

sturdy current
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NOOO I NEED THEK NOW!!!

manic coral
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anyways apologies for lore stuff being slow recently i have been needing to work on a lot of different things at once

sturdy current
rotund shore
sturdy current
languid badge
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well lets see here
lets say the average cal playthrough takes like 50-60 hours of gametime, one in game day is 24 minutes, then we're looking at the game taking place over like 3-6 months

rotund shore
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I’ve started taking a brief foray into writing and man this is rough

manic coral
languid badge
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yeah

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ik

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but its fun :)

manic coral
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ok jsut making sure you're aware because some people do it unironically

sturdy current
rotund shore
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Whilst I don’t mean to pester with too many questions, how literal is the terrarian hearing the lore items?

manic coral
sturdy current
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How much more powerful has Yharim became ever since the upgrade? Should we be expecting a huge difference?

sturdy current
manic coral
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can't logically be a massive jump

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he's gotten stronger yes but it'd be absurd if he got way stronger

languid badge
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where all the calamities take place

sturdy current
rotund shore
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Yharim will die

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Murder his ass

sturdy current
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Sorry if I'm yapping, just Soo so so curious about the story

manic coral
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becuase yharim's worse.

sturdy current
manic coral
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yharim's goals are whatever yharim's current goals are

sturdy current
woeful patio
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Like what if they released all of the kill count of all calamity character

manic coral
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correcto

sturdy current
# manic coral correcto

Who threw Yharim into the lava? I thought it was guards in the old lore. Who did it in the new lore?

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And do we have any idea on what weapon Yharim will be wielding. And is he even capable of combat without one? Asking because you stated him to be physically powerful

woeful patio
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We do have an old sprite of Yharim with a T-shaped sword

rotund shore
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Iirc it’s been stated that yharim uses a sword, although his fists pack a good ol auric rejecting punch

sturdy current
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Oh, and how on earth did he ever just. Become "super strong" does he take steroids.. is it his suit? A blessing? Curse??

woeful patio
manic coral
woeful patio
manic coral
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he wears auric armor

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he can just punch a bitch and they'll go flying

sturdy current
manic coral
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and even without a weapon or armor

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he's still like the strongest guy in the world

sturdy current
manic coral
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in terms of pure, physical might

sturdy current
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Is it yharons influence on him physically

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Or just some outside factor we don't know

manic coral
sturdy current
rotund shore
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Bros training regime must be stacked

sturdy current
sturdy current
manic coral
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he's an army in of himself

sturdy current
manic coral
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who knows

sturdy current
rotund shore
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Does yharim sleep in his armor?
This is a joke question, no real reason to answer

sturdy current
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Prolly doesn't sleep

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Or has a need for it. Player don't sleep either.. now while I don't think so because we control them then again life fruits and allat exist to replenish the mind and whatever

woeful patio
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I love to imagine Yharim sleeping in a room full of auric furniture, like some guy sneaking inside and immediately explode upon contact

sturdy current
# manic coral who knows

Cei will we get a whisper from Yharim and his final words, can I get an example or taste of what he'll say after hes defeated??? Bosses drop his reactions. So he should too once he's done for

rotund shore
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Honestly for that kind of stuff we’ll just have to wait and see

manic coral
sturdy current
rotund shore
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God yharim must smell fucking rancid, and they call draedon the gamer

sturdy current
woeful patio
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Draedon looks old and rusting unlike his Gaming chair like a real gamer, cares more about it's PC than his unhealthy body

manic coral
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draedon can make teleporters

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i think he could make some good plumbing

rotund shore
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Fair enough, yeah

manic coral
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but yeah like essentially before the crusade big cities had industrial revolution level of technology

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with other places ranging from a few decades to a century or two behind that tech level

rotund shore
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That kind of checks out considering places like azafure started having pollution and shit

manic coral
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stuff like guns and forms of electrical lighting existed before draedon ever made his appearence

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they just weren't in very advanced forms

sturdy current
manic coral
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why would he?

rotund shore
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Draedon is comfy in his own lab

manic coral
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he could amke far better ones himself

sturdy current
rotund shore
sturdy current
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But I see ur point

manic coral
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draedon has lots of labs as you can see in-game

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he doesnt stay in one place for long

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manic coral
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nope

sturdy current
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What had happened to yharims empire. Or city. Or whatever it was

calm patio
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majority of them left

manic coral
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"empire", pretty much

sturdy current
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His soldiers became the mech trio. But what happened to civilians?

manic coral
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relaly it was more like the mongols

rotund shore
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I was gonna say draedon probably has a lot of money, but honestly probably not, he so scarcely uses anybody but himself and his robots for his work

manic coral
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an extraordinarily large band of nomadic warriors who conquored huge tracks of land in relatively little time

rotund shore
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He doesn’t have much to spend it on in my eyes

manic coral
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which yeah the mongols are lagrely what yharim's forces are based on

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which will become more obvious as i go more into detail about the logistics of the army

sturdy current
manic coral
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if it is notable and not in-game i will not be answering it

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will have to wait

sturdy current
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I'm too impatient to waittttttttttt

rotund shore
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Wait til the yharim update drops and all amounts of peak occur

sturdy current
rotund shore
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In like…soon™️

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When yharim drops I guess I’d go back to all my old playthroughs and beat him in them, would fight yharim so damn much

sturdy current
# manic coral will have to wait

Well I enjoyed the talk, Thanks for answering my questions. If you don't mind can I DM you every so often regarding the lore if you have the time? Id really appreciate it

rotund shore
sturdy current
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I'm gonna be very upset if not

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Calamitas speaks of him as if he's unbeatable. And that's the perfect aura villains should maintain

pliant ruin
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He's gonna be the strongest foe the terrarian will have faced yet

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But to be fair Yharim is also the target of cal's trauma so it's only natural she'd have her doubts about us winning

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She probably is way more scared of him than like everyone else we know of

rotund shore
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Yharim is so tall man, bro ate his veggies

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Oddly enough calamitas is a small part of the reason I haven’t gotten a start on my fanfic, just since I feel like I’ll be bad and dumb and write her character poorly

spring helm
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dnd fighters if Wizards of the Coast weren't staffed by cowards

rotund shore
spring helm
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there is no failure

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actually

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idk

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IM FUCKING LINKING MY FANFIC AGAIN RAAHHHH!!!

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unless that's not okay here

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is it?

pliant ruin
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I don't blame you cal is a really hard character to get right as seen by most of the community mischaracterizing her alot

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I think i can confidently say i could probably do her justice for the most part but that's also because i can relate to her to an extent anyways

high lynx
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Wait your city was burned to the ground?

rotund shore
pliant ruin
spring helm
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the only chapter of my calamity fanfic that i've finished is what Calamitas was up to while the Terrarian is doing his thing

which i havent even written a full chapter for

high lynx
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I know i was joking

pliant ruin
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I know i also was

spring helm
sturdy current
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The type of character who walks into the room and you can just feel the fear of the characters growing because of them knowing who just walked in lol

high lynx
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When did we decide yharim was a purely evil guy?

pliant ruin
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He is

sturdy current
sturdy current
pliant ruin
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He's literally genocide mc facist he's an evil ass motherfucker

high lynx
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I suppose darth vader did become good in the end

high lynx
rotund shore
pliant ruin
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The idea that yharim is good in the slightest comes from the fact like

sturdy current
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My point went straight over this dudes head

calm patio
high lynx
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He does have a few good morals

pliant ruin
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half of the lore ingame right now comes from him

high lynx
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Like not liking slavery

pliant ruin
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He has human traits yes

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That's what makes him a good character

high lynx
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The other half comes from another sociopath

rotund shore
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He isn’t pure evil, but still super fucking evil

pliant ruin
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He's incredibly evil

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But he's still a person

high lynx
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Yes

pliant ruin
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He's nowhere near being morally gray or anything like that

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He's evil as shit

sturdy current
pliant ruin
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But you can still recognize he's A Human and not some like Force

high lynx
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Draedon is also not evil just amoral

sturdy current
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Yeah

pliant ruin
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Draedon is physically incapable of being evil

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or good for that matter

high lynx
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Exactly

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Bobot

rotund shore
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Draedon has no sense that what he does goes against what he should

sturdy current
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Cheese why do you speak as if he's the incarnation of evil lol

rotund shore
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Despite the fact he has done some absolutely horrid things

high lynx
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All my homies think draedon is epic even if he is a mass murderer

pliant ruin
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He's not the incarnation of evil he's just evil as shit

sturdy current
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He's not evil or good. Just doing his own thing

pliant ruin
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I just don't like it when people try defending him as being morally gray or something when he's clearly not

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And also last time i got in a argument about yharim being evil i got sexually harrased in this chat so i've been a bit more defensive regarding that to be honest i wonder who did that anyways

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oops

high lynx
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Draedon has some human traits though, like inspiration.

sturdy current
sturdy current
rotund shore
high lynx
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He has done horrible things and he has admitted it

rotund shore
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(I didn’t mention it at the time but being described as a “baddie” during that conversation made me incredibly uncomfortable, even if not nearly as bad)

high lynx
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Clearly a bad person but still human

sturdy current
high lynx
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I KNOW I DIDNT… whatever he’s just a guy

sturdy current
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Vader mainly is an example of that. Dude committed basically genocide thinking he was doing the right thing. And whiles it's twisted and sick. I find some form of beauty in the writing of how characters get to the point of thinking that

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That's why I enjoy characters with problems like this

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It makes them interesting

high lynx
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Oh his character is brilliant

pliant ruin
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Yharim is a very well written character he's just a terrible person and some people don't know the distinction beetween those two things

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You can like a character while acnowledging they're a bad person

high lynx
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I wont deny, the entire point of the story is essentially a cycle of hate and its great to watch as an outsider

sturdy current
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You must enjoy media as much as I do

rotund shore
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Random example, the owl houses main villain is absolutely horrid, but my god he’s so well written

high lynx
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Oh i love media

pliant ruin
# sturdy current Wow, that's crazy

Btw i'm trying to be civil here but it admittedly is hard when the person who did that is on the chat currently and hasn't done as little as apologizing so could you do that 🙏

rotund shore
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(In terms of that show there’s also odalia who is a bitchass motherfucker who is well written)

pliant ruin
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I love belos as a character

high lynx
pliant ruin
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He's an awful person but as a character he's rly fucking good

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He's so intimidating

rotund shore
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His VA really sells it

high lynx
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I only remember him when he becomes slimy

sturdy current
pliant ruin
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It's not personal matters i just want a apology for being sexually harrased on a public discord but alright 😭

calm patio
high lynx
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Oh wow drama

sturdy current
calm patio
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with him comitting serveral war crimes

pliant ruin
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I ain't even trynna be agressive anymore i just want a apology because it's not very comfortable to be around someone who did that without them atleast acnowledging it was wrong tbh 🙏

sturdy current
rotund shore
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The fact our continent to our knowledge is close to barren says a lot, I wonder where everybody went

high lynx
sturdy current
high lynx
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Its almost midnight im going to bed see you in the morning

sturdy current
pliant ruin
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goodnight dboss from calamity mod discord

high lynx
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Goodnight

stark basalt
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@pliant ruin

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You awake?

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I wanted to know if you’d be okay if I dm’d you something that wasn’t relevant here

buoyant inlet
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Hello lore fellas
How loreful is this

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rotund shore
woeful patio
buoyant inlet
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Pretty much

pliant ruin
mighty zenith
tight goblet
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yharim

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warm gull
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Is that the half life logo on is chest

tight goblet
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no thats a lambda

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you may also notice

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that this is art of half life deathmatch classic

warm gull
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calamity yharim if it was good

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I read up

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I think we should burn lore discussion to featureless ash

mighty zenith
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people think that characters making mistakes is bad writing

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and its the stupidest fucking thing ive ever heard

cloud ibex
manic coral
viral breach
manic coral
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anyways i shall return to writing

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have been working on calamitas town dialogue

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probably not final but

Draedon had dad and I visit his labs sometimes to fix equipment that was “experiencing temperature irregularities” or help with tests that “required thermal stimulation”. One time though, I accidentally used too much heat and liquefied one of his machines. I felt bad at the time, but in retrospect, I really should have done that more often.

manic coral
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:D

cloud ibex
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draedon is the typa mf who probably reacted like ":::_::: I see." when that happened

viral breach
cloud ibex
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she has permafrost (basically her adoptive dad)

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her actual parents are dead

buoyant inlet
viral breach
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(Draedon had) (dad and I) (visit...)

manic coral
manic coral
sinful adder
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What kind of fuck names himself permafrost anyways

manic coral
manic coral
buoyant inlet
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Mammoth dragon Based

manic coral
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that's the one he likes the best

sinful adder
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Oh also cei, I had an idea you might like

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So, the tundra is weird. It's a giant mass of ice in an otherwise empty hole, that goes almost all the way to the underwood.

manic coral
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So, the tundra is weird
hey i'm not that weird

buoyant inlet
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are you tho...........

manic coral
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ok

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fair

sinful adder
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It's also sort of triangle shaped. If it was a natural glacier, that triangle would be flipped, wider at the top and dug into a normally shaped hole in the ground

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So this massive block of ice has to have been artificially placed in a giant hole somehow. Either that, or it was a very large and deep ocean that was all frozen and then the sides gradually pressed inwards over time

manic coral
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there is already a lil bit about the tundra's formation

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is a bit obscure though

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i plan to elaborate further

sinful adder
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I knew about that. It makes sense, but there's a lot that's still not accounted for

manic coral
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ye

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i have a few ideas in mind for how it formed

real silo
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Why wait to realize your plans

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Elaborate now..

manic coral
real silo
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here

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🫴

manic coral
sinful adder
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The ice block stops a little above the lava layer. Logically, this should result in a region of flooded caves underneath the tundra, heated by all that lava, or otherwise the ice claspers would have eaten all the heat from that lava too, to stop it from melting the ice.

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It would be hard to maintain such a sharp line

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There's also frozen zombie mermen, which indicates this might have been an ocean once. And viking skeletons, Vikings are known to be seafaring

manic coral
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i will say that one thing i always enjoyed from old lore was the tundra being in some shape or form, not a nautral formation

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some influence caused it to be that way

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which given its weird placement and shape makes sense

sinful adder
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Why is the stone on the side tilting inwards so much? Is terraria on a converging Continental plate boundary?

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If the ice was melted, a massive amount of stone would collapse inward

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It must also be very old, geologically old

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In order to account for some things you see in it I think

manic coral
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i feel like something like that would make it like "cei this is the third time you've shown a fucked up body of water this weel"

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so i have some other ideas

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though that wa sa thought i had

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with the vikings and all

sinful adder
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Yeah I guess that's fair, but the sunken sea is supposed to be mostly caves, whereas the tundra is a single giant and solid block of ice

manic coral
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hilariously my current ideas on it are inspired by two old bits of worldgen fuckery i got a long time ago

sinful adder
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Anyways, you know where you see environments like the tundra in real life?

Europa. Big ball of ice heated from below, subsurface ocean exists as a result

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(also Enceladus and possibly Mimas, but those are less well known)

manic coral
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some minor worldbuilding stuff idk wsill fit anywhere: i always iamgine the tundra as soemthign that was a large source of water for people that lived further away from the sunken sea

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before living on the surface became more common

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they would mine out ice from the tundra, distill it while letting it melt, then boil it to get anything else out

sinful adder
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That's a lot of energy used. You only really need to melt it and filter it, as microbes don't generally survive inside ice

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Then again, terraria has a lot of lava available. On the other hand, lava has a low thermal mass and will solidify faster than you expect in contact with cold water.

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Would the lava directly below the tundra melt some ice? You'd think so

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There should be a natural sea there

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And/or heavily worn down stone or sand

manic coral
sinful adder
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Oh absolutely, just generally not inside solid objects

manic coral
sinful adder
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Ice melt water is very clean

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In real life, anyways

manic coral
sinful adder
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You should totally put in a third ocean biome under the ice

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It would be a great place for ilmerians that escaped

manic coral
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smh

sinful adder
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Even just a teeny little structure heated by a lava lake

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What? The ice claspers?

manic coral
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oh no

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other stuff

sinful adder
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Aww, now I won't get to know what it is and won't get a cool ocean

random mulch
sinful adder
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A thought: it would be quite hard for a crusade to find people that were just in a random sealed cage in the middle of nowhere, and so there should be more survivors

buoyant inlet
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And turned into ice mermen

sinful adder
sinful adder
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That was the point

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So some would die that way on the journey there but some should have made it

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Anyways, I think generally, having pre-existing towns of NPCs in the world would be cool, and make things more alive. You wouldn't need a lot of them, just like 2 places with one or two people there

buoyant inlet
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Windfall iirc

pliant ruin
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Calamitas calling permafrost dad makes me so happy because i've headcanon-ed her doing that for a while now

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and

manic coral
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it only makes sense

pliant ruin
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this dialogue alone is such a good way to characterize her because the fact she felt bad for melting the machines accidentaly back then is a great way to show she her actual personality because like 80% of the community loves depicting her as incredibly grumpy and antisocial and grumpy and i'm sitting here like

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no shes not. stop

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yes i said grumpy twice. that wasn't intentional but i'll pretend it was now

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calamitas isn't mean she's just sad

manic coral
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cals' perosnality is that she's a sometimes sad and/or overly worried but overall casual person who can be kinda spiteful and pretty sarcastic at points

pliant ruin
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THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN

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the community really likes depicting her as like. a massive antisocial jerk i feel

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like the type of person that will set you on fire because you played music too loud or something

manic coral
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She deosn't care if people don't reallt talk to her or visit her, but she doesn't actively avoid such situations

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she's an introvert, not antisocial

pliant ruin
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REAL

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TAHTS WHAT IM SAYINNNNNNNN

manic coral
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those are different things

pliant ruin
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i'm so glad the writing team is good

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stop portraying calamitas as a girlboss

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start portraying her as a girlfailure

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🙏

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Given her trauma stems from her being manipulated into hurting thousands i think the last thing she'd want to do would be to genuinely hurt someone again

manic coral
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the only person she ever makes a threatening comment about

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is the angler

pliant ruin
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I can see her being a little mean and all but i think if she felt like she actually hurt someone, whether physically or emotionally, she'd be really sad about it and do her best to apologize or make it up for them

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Like she'd probably be casually snarky as you said but she'd not like

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actually want to hurt anyone

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I like to imagine that in a alternate reality where she actually managed to kill the terrarian she'd have a full on panic attack after the fight ended and she realized what she just had done

manic coral
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Oh absolutely

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she'd feel good about it for 15 minutes then go "oh shit"

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"i should not have done that"

pliant ruin
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EXACTLYYYYYY

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i'm so glad you Get It

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My silly depressed witch is in good hands 🙏

manic coral
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I also ahev it where like, other town NPCs don't HATE her

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they're jsut intimidated by her

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which to be fair

pliant ruin
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Yeahhhh that's completely fair

manic coral
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imagine of you got a new neighbor and found out ti was like

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fucking

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Vegeta

pliant ruin
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I can't wait for more perma and cal content in the future

manic coral
# manic coral Vegeta

has he changed for the better? yes. would be almsot certainly be fine to be around? yes.

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but he's still fucking intimidating

pliant ruin
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Her calling him dad is already so good i'm glad that y'all are thinking about canonizing that

manic coral
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Given she can be spiteful

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But if she is

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She ahs good reason

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Like if where she lives currently is overtaken by crimson/corruption

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It seems you’re equally as neglectful as Yharim was when it comes to the remains of dead gods. Good to know.

random mulch
pliant ruin
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LMAO

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DESERVED TO BE HONEST

manic coral
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LMAO

jaunty cloak
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president permafrost steps down, states VP calamitas as next runner

pliant ruin
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I love that

manic coral
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It's not voice acted but you can still feel the spite in that

pliant ruin
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YEAH

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IT'S LIKE

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imagining her in a monotone passive agressive voice

manic coral
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Because the entire thing of her being a part of your little society is to watch over you to really see what kind of person you are

pliant ruin
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she's just like.

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she dosen't even have the energy to be fully mad at you she's just kind of disappointed

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LOL

manic coral
pliant ruin
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Can't wait for my scrungly to get the love she deserves when it comes to characterization in the mod. Draedon got his turn on the xbox already,,,

pliant ruin
manic coral
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also since y'all enjoy calamiats calling perma "dad"

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have this too

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Hey, I know dad can go on and on sometimes, but do me a favor and at least listen to him. Even if it’s boring. Feeling like he has a proper student again makes him happy.

jaunty cloak
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tbh i kinda think cal should call permafrost 'father' rather than dad, bit more formal

manic coral
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nah cal isnt that formal

pliant ruin
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That feels more like a past cal thing

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Like

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I feel like she'd call him father while she was at the yharmy

manic coral
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amidias, perma, draedon, and yahrim are all already pretty damn formal

sinful adder
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I wonder how calamitas and permafrost feel about the player given different player behaviors and classes they might use

manic coral
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meanwhile cal is a girl in her late 20's who ran out of shits to give five years ago

jaunty cloak
pliant ruin
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Picturing that Calamitas thought she was a hero back when she was in the yharmy, i imagine she had a much more sort of porsch and formal attitude back them as to try being a good role model even if she was like 14

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Like

manic coral
manic coral
pliant ruin
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She was trying to be the honor student basically

manic coral
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meanwhile like 26-28 or so calamitas doesn't care anymore

sinful adder
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My characters always get NPCs to at least neutral happiness, usually high

pliant ruin
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yeah she don't care anymore

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I try to get all of the cal npcs to max happy cuz i like them

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Idc too much about the vanilla ones but tbf i give them all (or try to) good houses

manic coral
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I am working on giving vanilla NPCs some more background

heavy agate
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if yharon wants to protect yharim, why didn’t he just step on the terrarian once they started getting a bit powerful? is he stupid?

sinful adder
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Some of them are just not manageable like the truffle and angler

manic coral
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Demolitionist and Tax Collector being former residents of Azafure for example

jaunty cloak
sinful adder
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Interesting

pliant ruin
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This is so good too

calm patio
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True..

jaunty cloak
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with what little vanilla lore there is ig

sinful adder
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Please make the cyborg not contradict himself and replace all his dialogue

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And also bestiary entry

pliant ruin
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Vanilla lore has already been

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done away entirely

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tbh

mighty zenith
manic coral
mighty zenith
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but makes sense actually

manic coral
sinful adder
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Because seriously the cyborg, in game, in vanilla, contradicts himself in behavior and lore constantly

pliant ruin
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Cal genuinely still caring about permafrost is something i've always imagined but was never shown ingame so it was hard to know what their relationship would be like now

mighty zenith
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i imagine azafure had plenty of variety between its residents

pliant ruin
#

This is so wholesome 🥹

mighty zenith
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rather than just the calamitas-type fellas

manic coral
sinful adder
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One minute he's a robot with no emotion, the next he's a human with robot parts

jaunty cloak
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now you know

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dwarves originated from hell

pliant ruin
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Terraria npcs work for what they are because they're not meant to be actual characters tbh

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they're just videogame guys that sell you stuff with some quirky personality bits

manic coral
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oh i dont plan on giving them proeprly fleshed out characters

pliant ruin
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But if you judge them as actual characters they're like

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nothing

manic coral
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just some little background

pliant ruin
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ye

manic coral
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as a treat

mighty zenith
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i think just having them make sense to exist would be neat

pliant ruin
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giving them actual character is like

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impossible without reworking them entirely lol

manic coral
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i want them to make sense to exist

sinful adder
pliant ruin
#

yah that makes perfect sense

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reign of yh

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gets shot

mighty zenith
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make pirate one of the people who tried hunting down old duke

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maybe he could give you a tip about bloodworms or something

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just as a neat lil thing

sinful adder
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Also if you want to flesh out the lore you could add more people like the skeleton merchant, NPCs who exist but don't move in

buoyant inlet
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I think pirate would respect old duke

sinful adder
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Or like the old man, found at specific locations

pliant ruin
#

Statis and Braelor

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They're gonna be like that

manic coral
sinful adder
#

Oh interesting. I assumed they'd move in

manic coral
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nope

sinful adder
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Braelor wouldn't want to stay in the distortion, surely

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You could reunite them

pliant ruin
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I hope we do

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It'd be so cool

manic coral
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statis will be a "wandering" npc like the sketon merchant but you can find him anywhere

jaunty cloak
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i still kinda would like the goofy pretense that vanilla terraria dialogue has to remain a bit should vanilla npc dialogue changes

pliant ruin
#

I wanna get the gays together

mighty zenith
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they'd probably just keep travelling together

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rather t

manic coral
pliant ruin
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Not too much anyways

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vanilla npcs aren't meaningful enough for them to change their dialogue i imagine

jaunty cloak
pliant ruin
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They're walking gimmicks lol

manic coral
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some people wanna remove msot goofiness

mighty zenith
#

please keep sweden canon

manic coral
#

i think that's not a good idea

jaunty cloak
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yeah

manic coral
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there needs to be a little bit of goofiness

jaunty cloak
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terraria is inherently goofy

pliant ruin
#

I think with the way cal is written there should be a bit of goofiness but definitely nowhere near as much as terraria

jaunty cloak
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thats the thing

sinful adder
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Yeah, that makes sense for where you find them initially, but it's sad if you can't rescue Braelor and reunite them. And status would probably stay with braelor

pliant ruin
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Like it shouldn't be like

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100% serious all the time

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some humour is good

manic coral
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even Dark Souls has a bit of goofiness

mighty zenith
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calamity shouldnt get rid of the goofiness, just
push it to the side

pliant ruin
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but also it shouldn't be like terraria where the game dosen't take itself seriously in the slightest

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because there's like

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an actual narrative here

pliant ruin
manic coral
pliant ruin
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i don't think any media can get away with being 100% serious all the time, or barely any anyways

jaunty cloak
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well yeah because vanilla terraria doesnt really have a narrative while calamity provides its own

mighty zenith
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i still kinda hate how ppl call calamity edgy, just because it tries taking itself seriously

pliant ruin
#

REAL

jaunty cloak
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terraria only got a story when relogic decided to pull a hyrule historia on us

pliant ruin
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people call calamity edgy because it has a story

sinful adder
#

How about characters that aren't important to the story? The bandit is like the only one

manic coral
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i enjoy bandit as a character not relevant to the story

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and doesnt care about whats going on

pliant ruin
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it dosen't have queen slime bath water and takes itself seriously unlike vanilla terraria so it's bad and edgy >:(

manic coral
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literally callign draedon in what i have written

sinful adder
#

I think there's room for characters that aren't important to the story. But are affected by it. For example, ilmerian survivors

manic coral
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i quote

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"Draewhatever"

mighty zenith
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based

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bandit represents the average cal player

pliant ruin
#

You can have random npcs that don't matter too much

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Every game has those tbh

manic coral
#

the bandit doesnt care about what's going on they just wanna loot shit and get rich quick.

sinful adder
mighty zenith
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dislikes tinkerer and doesnt care about the lore or whatever, they just want to use cool stuff

sinful adder
#

I feel like the dryad should be important, or explained

pliant ruin
#

Like. you didn't need that shitty pillbug that scams you or that big giraffe looking thingy that wants to eat you to exist in hollow knight

mighty zenith
#

i really think dryad is underused in the lore

pliant ruin
#

They still do though, and while ultimately the game didn't NEED them they make the world a bit more lively and provide some family guy funny moments

mighty zenith
#

she has somewhat of a connection to silva but its really nothing much

sinful adder
#

Did the dryads live in the jungle ruins? Did they make plantera?

jaunty cloak
#

probably will become more relevant when silva lore is implemented

sinful adder
#

I imagined they might be pieces of Silva like how the brimlings are pieces of brimmy

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But possibly partly autonomous even since Silva became a god

manic coral
buoyant inlet
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I think it'd make sense if dryads lived in the giant tree rooms

pliant ruin
#

Like

manic coral
#

:/

pliant ruin
#

Well yeah they're trying to make a story of their own

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Is that a bad thing???

celest kettle
#

Do characters have canonical heights

sinful adder
#

Vanilla in game lore sucks ass And I want it replaced

pliant ruin
#

If you don't like it having an actual plot so much that you think them having one is a negative why don't you just like

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ignore it

manic coral
#

vanilla in-game lore basically doesnt exist

jaunty cloak
pliant ruin
#

It's not changing anything about your gameplay

manic coral
#

like functionally

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there's so little of it

jaunty cloak
#

its in a forum post

sinful adder
pliant ruin
#

And why should devs need to build off vanilla lore

sinful adder
#

No. This is just false. The bestiary and NPC dialogue tells you about it

pliant ruin
#

Besides vanilla lore being like

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Nothing

#

Why do they need to do that

sinful adder
#

And you know what? It contradicts itself constantly! And I hate it!

pliant ruin
#

Do minecraft mods always need to build off minecrafts mechanics???

#

fuck no give me the nuclear bomb mod that feels nothing like vanilla minecraft

#

who cares

manic coral
sinful adder
#

Look at every piece of text regarding the cyborg before the happiness system and bestiary were added, and after. Both of these groups of dialogue still exist in game

real silo
#

Terraria modification players when the terraria modification modifies terraria

manic coral
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"new lore is bad because it makes the cal universe's pwoer not scale as high"

pliant ruin
#

IVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE SAY THAT YET

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BUT I KNOW

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IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE

sinful adder
#

Lol ok

pliant ruin
#

I'M AWARE THESE PEOPLE EXIST

jaunty cloak
#

dryads beat up cthulhu
order of guide exists
mechanic thrown into dungeon
mechanic creates organs for cthulhu 2.0 because cultist told her to do so
then events of terraria game
and thats basically vanilla lore

pliant ruin
#

BUT I'M SO GLAD I HAVEN'T MET THEM

sinful adder
#

High power scaling is lame as hell

open ruin
#

Hi 🧀

pliant ruin
#

hi akari

mighty zenith
manic coral
#

what the fuck does 4d universal even mean

sinful adder
pliant ruin
#

what r you doing here you're a cmt denizen

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rare appearance in lore chat

mighty zenith
#

the most common thing people complain about

open ruin
#

Strolling

mighty zenith
#

and im just like

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"why do you care"

manic coral
pliant ruin
manic coral
#

describe what a charactr can destroy

open ruin
#

Because CMT tends to rot my head at times

pliant ruin
#

The devs clearly didn't put much effort into it coz they don't really want to put effort into it

mighty zenith
#

whats the point of everyone being ridiculously strong if they all have to be nerfed in order for the story to even make sense

sinful adder
pliant ruin
manic coral
#

do that

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like

pliant ruin
#

btw guys i finished chainsawman part 1 today just felt like saying that

open ruin
#

Yharim really doesn't sound like he can be over country level

pliant ruin
#

its completely unrelated

manic coral
#

if the character were that strong the plot wouldnt have happened

pliant ruin
#

i just wanted to mention it

jaunty cloak
#

yharim is table breaker tier

sinful adder
#

Power scaling that is commonly accepted as fact is completely nonsensical past planet level

manic coral
pliant ruin
#

chainsaw man is really good

manic coral
#

VERY good

mighty zenith
#

xeroc is the biggest offender

#

like

pliant ruin
#

i have some small issues with it

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but

#

it's

open ruin
#

Yeah CSM is awesome

mighty zenith
#

people say they got nerfed the hardest

pliant ruin
#

probably my favorite manga ive read in a long while

celest kettle
pliant ruin
#

genuinely i think its my 3rd favorite manga/anime now

mighty zenith
#

but xeroc would still destroy literally everyone on the planet if they wanted to

pliant ruin
#

behind evangelion at 2nd and madoka at 1st

manic coral
#

madoka magica is also soo fucking good

sinful adder
pliant ruin
#

my only real critique is that some of its characters imo were underutilized
like some of them just kind of died too fast for their deaths to feel truly meaningful

sinful adder
#

Anyway I should be asleep

pliant ruin
#

not madoka i mean

#

madoka is perfect 0 flaws best show ever

#

csm

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csm is still peak though thats legit

#

my only critique with it

#

and its only a few characters

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most of them felt like they were utilized well

mighty zenith
#

the only reason anyone would care about how the cal universe scales is if they were comparing it to another series

open ruin
#

Compare it to

#

Let's say

jaunty cloak
#

mod of redemption

celest kettle
#

Breaking bad

open ruin
#

No NOT MOR

#

MoR doesn't get too far

pliant ruin
#

Calamity mod SOLOS uhmmmm

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
#

let me think

mighty zenith
#

YOU'RE THE ONE COMPARING TWO UNRELATED UNIVERSES

open ruin
#

Very few mods would actually scale over cal

pliant ruin
#

it SOLOS monkey ball

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probably

#

idk

#

monkey ball has like a monkey inside a plastic ball thats probably easy to win against

#

like not only is it a tiny monkey but hes stuck inside a ball

manic coral
open ruin
manic coral
#

narratively he doesn't need to be any stronger than that

open ruin
#

Perhaps but he is by no means a continent buster

pliant ruin
#

It'd be so cool if Yharim had a phase 2 where he either loses or ditches the sword and just starts beating the shit out of you with his fists ....

mighty zenith
#

dragon ball rotted the minds of powerscalers istg

manic coral
#

i have my own ideas for phase 2

open ruin
mighty zenith
#

they wont be happy unless every character ever can destroy the universe with a punch

jaunty cloak
#

yharim gfb should revolve around tables

manic coral
mighty zenith
#

they also cant hear

or see

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or perceive reality

open ruin
#

I had an old idea of an event called "Yharims army" where you go wave by wave and last wave you fight Yharim

jaunty cloak
#

i swear you took that from fandom

open ruin
#

I didn't

#

I made this idea like

mighty zenith
#

dbz fans when a guy who was forced to fight for his life since he was 5 YEARS OLD wants to live a normal life

open ruin
#

Before 1.4 cal was a thing

manic coral
jaunty cloak
#

i had seen this idea before

pliant ruin
#

I think cal could use some more events tbh

jaunty cloak
#

somewhere

pliant ruin
#

Specially on the post moon lord department

#

Though to be fair

manic coral
mighty zenith
#

so true

pliant ruin
#

post moon lord as a whole is lacking on the Content side of things

#

beyond bosses and weapons

#

but i'm sure that'll be remedied in due time

mighty zenith
#

i can understand people liking badass gohan

open ruin
#

Distortion would save it

mighty zenith
#

and i do too, cell saga gohan was cool

manic coral
#

gohan has earned his rest

mighty zenith
#

but dear god you have like 20 other characters who can take that role

open ruin
#

Also I don't think this will happen but yharim riding yharon into battle against you would be cool

pliant ruin
#

yharim riding queen bee into battle

#

yharon's dead, go for the next best thing

mighty zenith
manic coral
#

i have my own thoughts about yharim's fight

pliant ruin
#

might aswell

manic coral
#

specifically

#

like

pliant ruin
#

next best thing

mighty zenith
#

true

manic coral
#

every boss has an enrage condition that involves fuckign with the boss in some way

pliant ruin
#

yharim just throws beenades at you like a 1.3 player against wall of flesh

manic coral
#

imo

#

yahrim's entire pahse 2 should be his enrage

open ruin
pliant ruin
#

what would you do to fuck with him....

mighty zenith
#

what does that even mean

jaunty cloak
open ruin
#

Nothing

jaunty cloak
#

during fight

pliant ruin
#

all i can picture is either something to do with gods or dragons but i don't think you can either ascend to godhood or kill any dragons in your fight with him

open ruin
#

Anyways yharim should take 10x damage from plague

manic coral
mighty zenith
#

anyway i want yharim to literally just
stand still in front of the grave of light

#

give it build up

#

but not some ridiculous entrance

jaunty cloak
#

arguspilled

manic coral
#

oh you know yharim is just there looking off the edge

mighty zenith
manic coral
#

facing away from you until the fight starts

open ruin
pliant ruin
#

oh he's definitely gonna do that

mighty zenith
#

theres some stuff about the colosseum im not a fan of but

manic coral
#

that's like

mighty zenith
#

argus is cool

manic coral
#

a given

pliant ruin
#

contemplating how he has failed his heroic mission.......

#

of commiting genocide

open ruin
manic coral
#

"yharim regrets stuff though" he regrets losing his allies

#

never once does he mention regretting the genocide

#

he still thinks that was totally cool

pliant ruin
#

It dosen't even seem like he understands that they left him for the genocide part

woeful patio
open ruin
#

Also I found this out recently but cal hates crags and loves the forest, very cute

pliant ruin
#

From his dialogue in the whispers it seems like he thinks cal left him purely because of the way he treated her and not because he manipulated her into commiting genocide

#

Like

#

it seems less like

mighty zenith
pliant ruin
#

"she dislikse me because i made her kill millions"

#

and more like

mighty zenith
#

people would still say he regrets it

pliant ruin
#

"she dislikes me because i put too much pressure into her when she was at a young age, i shouldve waited a bit longer :("

manic coral
#

Yharim refuses to accept that anything he has done is wrong

open ruin
#

I don't think anyone who does genocide regrets it, really

pliant ruin
#

Like that's exactly what it feels like to be honest

manic coral
jaunty cloak
#

moral of the story is absolute power bad but gods arent bad not through mere existence but by their choices

#

and that we should be better than this

#

we will be the gods we choose to be

manic coral
#

yharim's strength is the second scariest thing about him

pliant ruin
#

Like it's clear yharim knows he didn't treat cal ''well" but i think he probably just thinks he shouldn't have made her kill all those people when she was young or something

manic coral
#

the scariest thing about him is how good was was convincing other people that he was right for so long

pliant ruin
#

Like he probably thinks if he had waited for her to grow up before making her kill Millions it would've been cool

manic coral
#

yharim alone could have never went on his crusade

open ruin
pliant ruin
#

I can picture him trying to ''apologize" to cal only for her to go

jaunty cloak
#

maybe in his enraged phase his disfigured face should be revealed sorta like anakin skywalker/darth vader

manic coral
#

so funny thing

#

for chaarcters

pliant ruin
#

"dude you made me kill like alot of people i dont think you understand why i hate you. anyways fuck you. die."

jaunty cloak
#

as le symbolism

manic coral
#

i usually have a fiction inspiration

#

and a rela life inspiration

#

yharim's fictional inspiration is Dagoth Ur

#

from Morrowind

pliant ruin
#

cal is inspired by ME

manic coral
#

Guess his real life inspiration

jaunty cloak
#

pol pot

real silo
#

Adolf hitler clueless

manic coral
#

nope

open ruin
pliant ruin
#

I think i know

manic coral
#

nope

real silo
#

Or genghis khan idk

open ruin
#

oh

pliant ruin
#

But i don't know if i want to say it .

manic coral
pliant ruin
#

Okay so

#

just so we're clear here

mighty zenith
manic coral
#

the empire of hsi was based on the mongols

pliant ruin
#

Nevermind okay

manic coral
#

but he wasnt

pliant ruin
#

Oh

#

Wait no

#

I think i might still b eon the right track

#

OKAY SO

#

just so we're like

manic coral
pliant ruin
#

on the same page here

#

it's someone who commited genocide

manic coral
#

nope

pliant ruin
#

oh so it's not

mighty zenith
#

uhh

pliant ruin
#

hmm

mighty zenith
#

it was me

#

i inspired yharm

pliant ruin
#

i actually am not sure

manic coral
#

The answer is, and this is going to sound so fuckign weird if you know relatively little about him

real silo
#

This implies yharim loves aureus

manic coral
#

Walt Disney

real silo
#

(he doesn't)

pliant ruin
#

LOL

grizzled jetty
#

that kinda tracks

mighty zenith
grizzled jetty
#

i know some about disney

pliant ruin
#

I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING BUT IT MAKES SENSE

mighty zenith
#

i wasnt expecting that

#

but i can see that

jaunty cloak
#

is that because walt disney is heavily antisemitic

real silo
#

Yharim pioneered animation ⁉️

manic coral
mighty zenith
#

russian propaganda cartoons but for yharim's army

manic coral
#

for those who do not know

#

Walt Disney's original plans for EPCOT was for it to be an experimental society that he had sole control over

#

He was a man impossible to tell "no" to and constantly mourned freidns and famility who abandoned him for reasons he convicned himself were not his own problems

pliant ruin
#

Yeah he basically wanted to make his own little dictatorship lmao

manic coral
#

But at the same time was famous for his personality

#

That always convinced the common person to be on his side

#

Even if those closest knew the truth

#

A man who yearned to see his every ambition realized

#

So yeah

#

Him being an inspiration from Yharim tracks if you have that context

jaunty cloak
#

lets ask the real questions here

#

does yharim drop a lore item on defeat assuming he doesnt die by the player's hand

#

also assuming that lore items would remain as the main method of background storytelling

mighty zenith
#

yharim's gonna die

pliant ruin
#

He's gonna die by the players hand ye

#

And also i doubt the

manic coral
#

how would he drop one

#

he'd be dead

mighty zenith
#

and lore items are almost definitely going to be replaced

manic coral
real silo
#

Draedon takes over the lore item writing

pliant ruin
#

lore items will be the main method of background storytelling

manic coral
#

kinda hard to talk when you're dead

pliant ruin
#

The lore items are less so lore items and more just yharim yapping in your ears so

#

it wouldn't be a good idea

#

to keep them as the ''main'' form of storytelling

#

it's more so that cal just dosen't really

jaunty cloak
#

ive never liked lore items tbh

pliant ruin
#

have many methods of storytelling right now

manic coral
#

also eyah given in the enar future

pliant ruin
#

so they stick out like a sore thumb

manic coral
#

"lore items" are not going to be specific enough

real silo
#

Yharim's lore item now says "screams from on high shatter your eardrums"

manic coral
#

we interally just call 'em whispers nowadays

pliant ruin
#

they'd probably be fine if they weren't like

#

one of the only soruces of narrative

#

again they just kind of stick out

#

because there's barely anything else

#

Also yeah changing their name to like

manic coral
#

shoulda had more stuff in by now sooner but i got distracted because good oppurtunities showed up to work on my Other Project

jaunty cloak
#

ideally most people including myself enjoy being shown and not told but idk how difficult that is to do in a 2d block game

pliant ruin
#

Whispers or something would be a good step in the right direction because calling them ''lore items" make them seem less like someone yapping to you and more so objective lore which if i had to guess plays a part in how many people think yharim is a good guy

manic coral
#

there is a lot shown

#

people just look over it

manic coral
pliant ruin
#

I feel you because i'm basically in your situation

#

I have a personal story i want to genuinely publish one day somehow that i've been working on for a long time but now i'm actively working on a calamity project as the main story writer and don't have as much time for it

manic coral
pliant ruin
#

that sounds like the best thing ever actually

manic coral
#

with the weapon design of ultrakill

jaunty cloak
pliant ruin
#

now that i think about it

jaunty cloak
#

though yeah lore has still yet to be implemented

pliant ruin
#

i think my own personal story also fits that criteria.

manic coral
#

but like a really fucked up yoyo of carnage

pliant ruin
#

it's got the grungy vibe of chainsaw man and the protagonist is actually inspired a good amount by denji but it's also doomed yuri with a big focus on love as a motif like madoka magica but the main villain is also a manipulative bastard who's also a pretty lady like makima

#

but also the protagonist is a doomed yuri who uses guns like homura

celest kettle
#

And the axe is electrified

pliant ruin
#

i think you made me realize my story fits that exact description also

manic coral
pliant ruin
#

i love cool as hell weapon designs

#

need to include more of those in my story

manic coral
#

alsoa sketch of another one of the weapons

spearlmao.png
#

"what if somebody had four eletrical hookshots at once"

pliant ruin
#

out of the main trio of protagonists including the denji and homura inspired yuri lesbian gay there's also a very non-gender conforming stage magician who's the nicest person in the group and likes his friends and his toys and playing with his friends and then there's a murder robot who's actually a person who had their consciousness transferred to a human body to be used as a soldier in war and also has no human rights currently

pliant ruin
manic coral
#

anyways yeah calamity

#

should probably get back on topic

pliant ruin
#

we probably should

#

i love when the Personal Project Autism takes over

manic coral
#

same

#

you have no idea how obsessed i am with the fact that my Personally Project Autism is making rela, tangible progress

#

byeah Yharim

#

tbh i spent a long time debating where i wanted to take yharim after i got on the writing team

pliant ruin
#

but yeah yharim

#

Tbh i forgot what he was like entirely back on old lore

#

Like i knew he was like

#

the main villain

#

but beyond him being like a tyrant or something i don't think i ever knew why he was evil

#

Like what did he do

#

I probably just forgot but i genuinely don't remember why he was seen as evil

real silo
#

cursed calamitas

manic coral
real silo
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(somehow)

pliant ruin
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I feel like he was just kind of generally a Evil Guy but i don't rember what Evil Things he did

manic coral
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(Zenos yae Gavlus is a chaarcter from ff14 before i am asked)

real silo
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Fucked up weapons are so fun

manic coral
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see i was asked one

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"would provi use a spear of warhammer"

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my responce was

real silo
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spearhammer

manic coral
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"why couldn't she jsut use both in one weapon"

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"give her a spearhammer"

real silo
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I imagine the weight would be weird

manic coral
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impractical as hell in real life?

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yes

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who cares

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it's cool as hell

real silo
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but is it a slashy spear or a pokey spear

manic coral
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again

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why not both

real silo
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Damn !

manic coral
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make it able to do both

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i've long held the opinion that a character's weapon should represent a lot about them and (dammit ive started talking about my Other Project again) i use this alot in my other project with the idea of, in a situation where somebody could choose any weapon they wanted, no matter how impractical or stupid it is on paper

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what they choose says a lot about them

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like for a cal example

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Xeroc uses a spear

celest kettle
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How did provi looks before she becomes a giant burning rock

manic coral
celest kettle
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Or shes always like that

manic coral
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and cna be good for quick hits

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fitting for Xeroc, somebody who is very pragmatic and emphisises speed

manic coral
real silo
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Xeroc's a speed demon damn

manic coral
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anyways i need rest

real silo
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I also gave my speed demon character a spear

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(but with rockets)

manic coral
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good night

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or

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well

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morning?

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good morning

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i sleep now

real silo
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it's night here

pliant ruin
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good mornight cei

scenic olive
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Xeroc moving in primodial light speed

celest kettle
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Xeroc running like mr.krabs

wheat walrus
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wheat walrus
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it's wrong my longsword in monster hunter is the most efficient irl weapon

cloud ibex
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# cloud ibex i see the logic in it

Yeah well I don't, the most effective blade like weapon to me would be the standard longsword. A weapon not everyone can use to its maximum potential without proper training. But a weapon basic enough that people could use it without intense training regardless. And even if you trained you would just become better and better with it. A long blade that had a pointy tip for impaling, and a double edged for slicing and swinging attacks and a handle guard to protect the users hand.

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Also I guess the only thing a spear has over it is the idea that it's longer

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But that's a polearm I think

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But if I were to choose a perfect "weapon" other than the long sword it's for sure the naginata

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Which falls under polearm.. but not a spear

cloud ibex
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close enough

amber cedar
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gorp

wheat walrus
sturdy current
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Guys lets all not be nice to gorp

sturdy current
wheat walrus
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Gorp is silly

sturdy current
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If I didn't wanna be banned and actually didn't care for calamity lore mod I woulda walked in here as if I were sukuna and immediately cause some chaos

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Problem is ion got his plot armor 😂

mighty zenith
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There's gonna be references to metal gear rising in Yharim fight right?

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I mean revengance

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Not rising

mighty zenith
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they're not gonna be obvious probably

mighty zenith
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sturdy current