lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

Gold is 100% Yharon lol

[soft geyser]

Dog scales to solar system

[wheat walrus]

naw

[pliant ruin]

source: it came to me in a dream

[mighty zenith]

kills you

[raven terrace]

Old Lore powerscaling moment:

[wheat walrus]

current calamity lore is kinda fodder honestly

[pliant ruin]

except me

i win

i'm th estrngest

[cloud ibex]

So glad nobody actually does powerscaling ❤️

[mighty zenith]

eats you

[pliant ruin]

outerverse glupshitto level

[soft geyser]

So is it higher or lowet

[mighty zenith]

REAL

[pliant ruin]

DONT DO THAT

[wheat walrus]

the astrum deus eating stars feat has been nerfed into oblivion and the current best feat is Calamitas boiling a sea, which is barely Country Level as of calcs

[fervent quest]

I'd argue the guide to be on the same level of strength as yharim

[mighty zenith]

me when i find people unironically powerscaling between different pieces of media

[wheat walrus]

fight me

[raven terrace]

I try sometimes.
I see power scaling as just something fun to do every now and then.

[wheat walrus]

if you're ready to die.

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-wrath-of-the-dragon-dbz-movie-anime-goku-gif-3187316002841645893

[pliant ruin]

Hey i just noticed

polterghast gives the moon lord bite debuff

isnt that funny

[mighty zenith]

i scale to poopoofart+ level compared to your peepeefart level

so i win

[pliant ruin]

like why doe this random ass ghost have the fovos debuff

[soft geyser]

Poltergeist still better

[wheat walrus]

I upscale from you dw

I solo

[pliant ruin]

No???????

it's

[fervent quest]

I didn't know why they do that

[cloud ibex]

I paint goku’s hair black, instantly removing his ability to go super sayian

[pliant ruin]

blue plantera

you cannot in any possible way say polterghast is a better sprite than desert scourge

[fervent quest]

mint flavoured plantera

[soft geyser]

I like poltergeist better
(Plantera is my fav vanilla boss)

[wheat walrus]

that just creates goku super saiyan 240

[cloud ibex]

No it doesn’t

[pliant ruin]

There's a difference beetween liking a boss more than another

[cloud ibex]

I have erased it

[pliant ruin]

and saying the sprite is better

[cloud ibex]

It’s gone, just get over it

[soft geyser]

I think it is better

[mighty zenith]

i paint my hair white scaling me to mastered UI

[pliant ruin]

It isn't i'm sorry 😭

Almost objectively it's worse

[cloud ibex]

That’s how it works

I don’t make the rules

[soft geyser]

In my opinion provindence had the worse can we agree on that

[pliant ruin]

My hair is blonde with pink accents

[wheat walrus]

wrong I am goku super saiyan 10 I solo

[pliant ruin]

Where does that put me

[mighty zenith]

provi's sprite is old but holds up well

[cloud ibex]

No you don’t exist

Sorry

[pliant ruin]

provi could use changes but it's sprite isn't bad yeah

[wheat walrus]

I downscale you to wall level

[cloud ibex]

I don’t care

[pliant ruin]

she's good as is but i wouldn't mind a resprite

[soft geyser]

It is disgusting tho

[mighty zenith]

how exactly

[wheat walrus]

neither do i

[pliant ruin]

she's a bit cluttered i guess

but she isn't that bad

[wheat walrus]

whar

[mighty zenith]

i dont like the roots/tendrils but the sprite is fine

[cloud ibex]

I doubt Prov is getting a resprite anytime soon

[soft geyser]

Looks like a mix blob of random shit

[mighty zenith]

mango said he's gonna be working on one

[cloud ibex]

She suffers from the Levi problem but to a smaller extent

[pliant ruin]

I mean i kind of understand that

[soft geyser]

With what might be bear clawd

[pliant ruin]

Providence is a bit cluttered

[mighty zenith]

but yea probably not very soon

[pliant ruin]

But

I would still say her sprite isn't bad

It could use improvements but it's pretty cool

[soft geyser]

Worse then yharon

[mighty zenith]

no

[cloud ibex]

I think her sprite has held up very well

[pliant ruin]

Yeah thta's insane

[mighty zenith]

definitely not

[pliant ruin]

no sprite in the entire mod is worse than yharon

[mighty zenith]

yharon's sprite is ew

[pliant ruin]

lol

[soft geyser]

She looks like if a toddler mixed up clay

[wheat walrus]

tumor creature

[cloud ibex]

Bait used to be believable……..

[mighty zenith]

he looks like melting pizza sauce

[pliant ruin]

She's not even THAT cluttered

[wheat walrus]

tumor creature

[pliant ruin]

It's mostly just the crystals and roots that make her look a bit strange lol

Otherwise her design isn't even that bad

Yharon meanwhile is

[wheat walrus]

guys look yharon sprite is talking

https://tenor.com/view/petergriffin-tumor-family-guy-gif-4796151

[soft geyser]

She is unless me being colorblind makes it so she seems more cluster

[mighty zenith]

gifsoup dot com

[real silo]

Provi's design is peak

[soft geyser]

That is sick

[pliant ruin]

What is that yellow... thing on his wings and tail

And why is he chained up

[soft geyser]

It works as a dragon

[pliant ruin]

And his hind legs

[mighty zenith]

sick as in makes me sick looking at it

[pliant ruin]

YEAH

LOL

[soft geyser]

What is provindence supposed to be

[pliant ruin]

The design itself isn't terrible (Specially because his new design is honestly not even that different)

[soft geyser]

A chicken in fire

[pliant ruin]

But the sprite's execution is

incredibly poor

[pliant ruin]

A goddess made of rock and fire

[wheat walrus]

this is a dragon

[soft geyser]

See that is same as that

[wheat walrus]

this even

[mighty zenith]

also love how the gold/auric? on his horn is a different style than the ones on his wings and tail

peak

[wheat walrus]

HOW

[pliant ruin]

Yharon has weird green cysts on his wings, is shackled/chained for seemingly no eason, has weird yellow... things on his wings and tail and his limbs are incredibly weirdly positioned in a way that you can't tell whether he has a normal 2 pairs of limbs or like 4 pairs of them

[mighty zenith]

the yellow on his wings looks more like bread than gold

he looks dirty

[pliant ruin]

Legitimately the best part of yharon's sprite is his horn

[wheat walrus]

ain't no way brothersoningtonstongs really compared Yharon's current sprite to Fatalis' Iceborne design lol

[soft geyser]

Pur a picture of provindence

[pliant ruin]

It's the single only part of his sprite that is actually higher quality than the rest for whatever reason

[wheat walrus]

I get if it's the eventual Yharon sprite but like

my man current Yharon is a tumor critter

[mighty zenith]

i do think his dot eyes are adorable and hilarious though

[wheat walrus]

amass of cancers

[pliant ruin]

Providence's design is a bit cluttered but she's good

And it's not even that cluttered

[mighty zenith]

even though i thought they were actually one eye for the longest time

[soft geyser]

That is a mix blob of shit

[pliant ruin]

It's just a rock creature with fire wings

[random mulch]

provi is gonna get redesigned by mango eventually

[pliant ruin]

what is there to not understand

[real silo]

you're a mix blob of shit

:owned

[mighty zenith]

real

[raven terrace]

For the longest time, I thought those shoulders were her arms.

[pliant ruin]

The only parts that are actually meh imo r the roots and crystals

but like

other than that

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-speech-bubble-cirno-touhou-meme-gif-25609623

[pliant ruin]

it's not even

that bad of a design

it's just

rock creature

fire wings

the end

[real silo]

I mean crystals are rocks

[random mulch]

yharon jumpscare

[real silo]

[soft geyser]

I say yharon is better

[wheat walrus]

this one is actually not bad

quite good

[soft geyser]

Now that is peak design

[wheat walrus]

but the current one is just

tumors lol

meat creature

[pliant ruin]

Yeah yharon's new design is better

[mighty zenith]

god he looks awkward without wings

still a much better sprite

[pliant ruin]

his old isn't though and if you say it is you're not correct

[soft geyser]

Holy shit I forget how good this one is

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/loaded-fries-fries-food-french-fries-gif-26305893

yharon sprite mukbang

[soft geyser]

Yea fuck the ol one get me the new one

[wheat walrus]

this is literally yharon's sprite with less contrast lol

[random mulch]

the yharon resprite is in wing animation hell rn

[pliant ruin]

I'm just kind of excited for human providence honestly

Totally not because of any reason in particular

[wheat walrus]

woman !

[pliant ruin]

Yup

[raven terrace]

WE'RE GETTING THAT!?

[pliant ruin]

Yah

[mighty zenith]

very straight of you chees

[pliant ruin]

Concept art for her is being made

[raven terrace]

WOOHOO!!!

[pliant ruin]

Yep

I'm very straight

i like men

[soft geyser]

Why does it feel he can hold a weapon in his hand most likely a fiery war axe

[pliant ruin]

mhm

i'm so straight my girlfriends can tell you all about how straight i am

[wheat walrus]

huh

[cloud ibex]

Hm.

[soft geyser]

Like he will swing that Axe while making fireball

[soft geyser]

But your pronouns are she

[raven terrace]

Your so straight, you can fit down a tiny storm drain.

[wheat walrus]

king titan ark still solos neg diff

[soft geyser]

Ohhhhhh

[soft geyser]

Get solo by average terrarian

[wheat walrus]

what xeroc sees from far away before getting owned by the goat

"goat" is ironic

[pliant ruin]

that dosent look like a goat

[wheat walrus]

since this guy is just godzilla 2.0 lol

[pliant ruin]

it's more of a lizard guy i think

[soft geyser]

She doesn't know

[cloud ibex]

Give me an insect glaive and 50 minutes I’ll handle it

[wheat walrus]

that's not monster hunter

[cloud ibex]

Too bad

[wheat walrus]

if you want monster hunter then fatalis is also soloing calverse lol

[cloud ibex]

The laws of the universe state that as long as proof of a hero starts playing in the latter parts of the fight, I win

And brother let me tell you, my speaker is fully charged

[wheat walrus]

yes true but that won't play when xeroc fights fatty

[soft geyser]

Terrarian needs one copper shortsqoef

[wheat walrus]

terrarian gets dogwalked honestly

Fatalis just scales much higher than all of current Calamity

[soft geyser]

He is literally Steve

[wheat walrus]

Country Level VS Multi-Continent Level lol

[wheat walrus]

steve is city block level

try again

[pliant ruin]

steve is a guy

he has a sword

[calm patio]

steve is overrated

[soft geyser]

He is multiversal level

[pliant ruin]

hes not that crazy i dont think

[soft geyser]

Nuh uh

[pliant ruin]

he has like

[cloud ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-dissapointed-no-food-my-excitement-for-food-is-now-gone-oh-nevermind-gif-17411460

[pliant ruin]

a shield

a axe maybe

[calm patio]

source?

[pliant ruin]

hes not that crazy.

[wheat walrus]

even creative mode ain't getting past uni lol

[cloud ibex]

Powerscaling convo in lore discussion

[soft geyser]

His feats

[pliant ruin]

his feats are uhh

he killed a dragon

that one time

yeah

[soft geyser]

/kill is enough

[pliant ruin]

also the wither. i dont know what the wither counts as.

[soft geyser]

Commands

[calm patio]

holding Shulker Box isnt carrying the true weight of a item

[soft geyser]

Infinite strength

[calm patio]

and those are cheats

[wheat walrus]

composite fatalis scales to outerverse level bro

[pliant ruin]

every game has commands, it came free with your programming

[calm patio]

were not counting them

[soft geyser]

6x faster then light

[pliant ruin]

every game has commands, it came free with your programming

[wheat walrus]

entirely beyond the concept of dimensionality, space and time lol

[soft geyser]

Can't take damage post resistance 5

Has tick freeze commands

[wheat walrus]

alr bro

this is brainrot lol

[soft geyser]

Can respawn

[wheat walrus]

anyways

[calm patio]

[pliant ruin]

yal

[calm patio]

you know what

[buoyant inlet]

Honestly to me it feels like you describe the old lore dog exactly

Old lore dog was always described as pathetic and immature. Like I remember looking at old lore doc and I'm pretty sure it was the case. He was never treated seriously by any character, even perma, unless I have schizophrenia and perma never said anything about him. Old lore dog was literally made to be a character that feels imposing but is pathetic in reality. Despite being one of the final bosses.

Maybe it's just a me thing but I treat new dog as powerful and imposing entity that usually can back up his claims. Like, he has gigantic ego, but that's because when he says something, he usually means it lol. Not always, of course.

I think he fails at manipulation not because he's stupid or too full of himself, but because fundamentally his mind works differently, really differently. He's like skinwalker that tries to be human.

And he's still considered a big threat. Like, I think he can kill yharon if he wanted to. Yharon is generally stronger, but dog has his advantages.

[calm patio]

i win against steve

steve is a fodder

[pliant ruin]

literally any video game character can be made immortal with programming

[wheat walrus]

steve is a fodder lol

[calm patio]

steve isnt real

while i am

[pliant ruin]

by this logic every videogame character is glupshitto tier or whatever i dont do powerscaling

why do people think only minecraft has commands LOL

[wheat walrus]

Diablos sweeps the verse

[wheat walrus]

this

[wheat walrus]

(MC not calamity)

[soft geyser]

Bro was cooking

[wheat walrus]

Diablos is too weak for all of Calamity

[soft geyser]

Respawn mechanic

[wheat walrus]

ain't getting past brimmy and the mechs

[wheat walrus]

john mechanic

[pliant ruin]

EVERY GAME HAS A RESPAWN MECHANIC

it came free with your PLAYING THE GAME

[raven terrace]

Nah. Yharon claps. But you make good points.

[soft geyser]

Hmmmm

Exactly

[wheat walrus]

iirc respawn is addressed in the credits scene thing of minecraft, but still

[pliant ruin]

Anyways madoka kaname would defeat all of the calamity universe amen

[soft geyser]

It is an infinite fight

[wheat walrus]

ain't stopping steve from getting bodied by most of fiction

[pliant ruin]

go my lesbian

[soft geyser]

He is not tho

[wheat walrus]

composite fatalis :3

[wheat walrus]

he is lol

[pliant ruin]

composite fatalis is not real and i will ignore its existence

[soft geyser]

He is not thi

[wheat walrus]

ain't gonna argue too deep but like

lol

[wheat walrus]

well

john crossovers is right there

[pliant ruin]

content from spinoff comics is never real

its the law of the universe

[soft geyser]

https://youtu.be/-XflmrrdTNk?si=rZm22dS6F74MnXjG @wheat walrus

[pliant ruin]

well specifically the weird spinoff comics

[soft geyser]

There are videos for a reason

[wheat walrus]

already saw that

it's invalid lol

[pliant ruin]

the cool ones that actually add to the main media's lore get a pass

[soft geyser]

How tho

[wheat walrus]

entirely based on using commands and pushing the game's mechanics to their outer limit, the best feat steve has is killing the ender dragon, which is city block to small town level

and even with that video

steve ain't getting past base uni

[pliant ruin]

madoka kaname kills him

moving on

[soft geyser]

Well yes we go by the strongest form such as Goku u guys go like cc

[wheat walrus]

true honestly

[wheat walrus]

CC Goku is an actual character though

anyways bro

[mighty zenith]

genuinely why do people treat commands as something steve himself can do

[wheat walrus]

just give up

[soft geyser]

That is the point

[buoyant inlet]

Also honestly I don't think dog is a jerk. At least internationally. I think he doesn't care about Yharim at all, Yharim to him is just a useful tool that got him what he needed (access to gods and armor).

[pliant ruin]

yeah 😭

[soft geyser]

Why do people conlate hin

[wheat walrus]

steve's only character is the one that kills the ender dragon, at best respawn may be canon but that's all

[random mulch]

if steve gets to use commands, the terrarian gets to use mods

[pliant ruin]

that's not steve brah that's ME

i'm the one doing the commands

[cloud ibex]

Deltarune

[pliant ruin]

every game has commands why does steve get to use them as part of a arsenal and sonic the hedgehog dosen't

[raven terrace]

Well if he had any more plans beyond Yharim, he prolly should have acted on em before trying to fight us.

[soft geyser]

Who says that in mivrsct story mode they used command blocks

[pliant ruin]

minecraft story mode is not real

[wheat walrus]

😭

[mighty zenith]

like youre telling me gordon freeman can canonically use the source console

[wheat walrus]

I played that shit when I was like 8

[mighty zenith]

thats basically steve using commands

[fervent quest]

I don't really know much about it but doesn't powerscaling also depend on the universe the fight takes place in

[soft geyser]

If u don't agree don't

[pliant ruin]

bla bla bla steve can /creative bla bla bla

[soft geyser]

After all rimuru solos

[pliant ruin]

anyways madoka kaname wins

moving on

lets talk about something else i dnt like powerscaling

[soft geyser]

Same

[raven terrace]

Goku is multiversal.

[wheat walrus]

by this logic then the girl from DokiDokiLiteratureClub scales to Boundless since the characters send you emails in your computer lol

[cloud ibex]

So real for this

[cloud ibex]

You will be turned to dust

[mighty zenith]

uhh gay people i think

[buoyant inlet]

Also I want to imagine that dog actually genuinely respects/admires noxus. He doesn't fear him, or want to overthrow him. He's noxus' strongest soldier, and he knows it

[pliant ruin]

wht is this

who are these things

[cloud ibex]

Deus and aureus

[mighty zenith]

aureus and deus

[pliant ruin]

gay

[mighty zenith]

yes

[pliant ruin]

badass

[wheat walrus]

john astrum

[pliant ruin]

john gay

[soft geyser]

Well dog is a powerhouse

[mighty zenith]

goodass

[fervent quest]

Johnathan homosexual

[pliant ruin]

also regarding the dog thing i think your reading of him is fully reasonable

[soft geyser]

Why is Deus shorter

[pliant ruin]

however i like him better as a pathethic snobby bastard

i understand why you read him like that though and it's probably objectively better from a narrative perspective

[mighty zenith]

aureus powerbottom

[pliant ruin]

but i still prefer him as a jerk

because it's funny

[soft geyser]

Fair but I liked my head cannot. Where he is an actial killer of gods

[pliant ruin]

he does kill gods

probably

[mighty zenith]

i mean
thats what he is

[pliant ruin]

we don't know which he killed but i mean he's called the devourer of gods so he probably killed a few

[buoyant inlet]

He can face the strongest gods except xeroc

[mighty zenith]

yharim says DoG can back up his name so he prob killed gods too

[buoyant inlet]

Honestly I think dog is stronger than like every single god except xeroc

[pliant ruin]

id say silva and maybe gos are the only ones we know of that might be on par

and it's like

a maybe

[raven terrace]

I think anyone above Providence are all on the level of the highest gods and in the case of endgame bosses, would clap.

[pliant ruin]

and even then i doubt they'd be much stronger, if not just on par

[buoyant inlet]

Even if Silva is that strong I just don't see her as a fighter

[cloud ibex]

Other than Xeroc I think the only god we know of that could maybe take on dog is the god of sacrifices

[mighty zenith]

Silva's probably extremely powerful in terms of endurance and healing

rather than actual strength

[raven terrace]

Nah. DoG wins.

[mighty zenith]

well we dunno

[buoyant inlet]

I think her closest subjects are her fighting forces

[cloud ibex]

I mean yeah he might still win

[soft geyser]

Ravager really can't tho he might out rnfure him

[buoyant inlet]

Aka braelor and now PW

[mighty zenith]

if GoS was stronger while alive than Ravager is then he could potentially beat DoG

[cloud ibex]

But I’m saying DoG vs rav when he was alive is the only matchup I can think of that would be at the very least almost fair

[buoyant inlet]

It's funny to think that PW to Silva is basically braelor but better

[raven terrace]

Silva's great at making powerful warriors.
Her champion jumped Yharim with another dude and they almost won.
And then she helped making Jared as strong as he is.

[pliant ruin]

Ravager is already post-providence as a weird evil gorilla abomination

[soft geyser]

Jared?

[mighty zenith]

championship ended with braelor
this dragon is now my champion

[pliant ruin]

I can only imagine that at his prime he'd be able to defeat DoG potentially

[wheat walrus]

jared is a meme name for pw

[raven terrace]

Primordial Wyrm.

[wheat walrus]

primordial wyrm

fucke

[raven terrace]

Haha!

[soft geyser]

Oh that jared

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/test-ark-this-is-now-server-ark-surival-evolved-this-is-now-an-ark-server-gif-21808734

[mighty zenith]

❌

[soft geyser]

Can bro stop

[pliant ruin]

❌

[cloud ibex]

❌

[soft geyser]

Ark is a good game but still

[wheat walrus]

I'm being attacked help!!!

[pliant ruin]

❌

[wheat walrus]

(it's not)

[cloud ibex]

Correct

[mighty zenith]

three strikes and youuuuu're out

[soft geyser]

🚫

[cloud ibex]

[raven terrace]

The way I see it, Terrarian is going to be the most powerful mortal to exist as far as we know.
Above the likes of the many gods, but below the highest one.

[cloud ibex]

Yea that seems like a fair read

[soft geyser]

Who knows he might surpass it

[mighty zenith]

tbf thats kinda the whole point of the yharim fight

[cloud ibex]

They won’t

[mighty zenith]

deciding who's the most powerful mortal

[cloud ibex]

At least not canonically

You can headcanon practically anything you want

[wheat walrus]

necrozma vs xeroc

[mighty zenith]

necrozma wins prob

[wheat walrus]

lol

[cloud ibex]

Hell, one of the lore devs I think already headcanoned herself a way her oc could nuke Xeroc

[mighty zenith]

literally absorbs lighf

fights god of light

[wheat walrus]

xeroc the typa guy to intentionally give some light to necrozma

[buoyant inlet]

Tho tbf braelor is a lot more versatile

[soft geyser]

Nah it would be coool if that yharim instead of 1v1ing u he summons a castle and u need to break through the castle killing enemies and then finally fighting yharim with other enemies aiding him

[mighty zenith]

goku giving frieza energy

[wheat walrus]

to help the poor guy

[buoyant inlet]

PW probably can't operate outside of abyss

[wheat walrus]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ssj-goku-goku-ssj-frieza-goku-giving-ki-gif-23172641

[buoyant inlet]

He's strong but the immeasurable power of gravity is probably stronger

[cloud ibex]

Imagine pulling Jared out of the abyss and he gets blobfish’d

That would be funny

[soft geyser]

What y'all think

[wheat walrus]

bro think he can domain expansion

[mighty zenith]

nah

yharim's fight should be a 1v1

[wheat walrus]

yes

[mighty zenith]

nothing else would hit as hard

[wheat walrus]

a raw badass 1v1

[soft geyser]

It would be coolrre then a 1v1

[wheat walrus]

no

a 1v1 is like

[mighty zenith]

its a match between two strongest mortals

[soft geyser]

Maybe after you reach him a. 1v1

[mighty zenith]

why include fodder enemies

[fervent quest]

that's quite what the whole fight is anticipated to be

[wheat walrus]

the perfect way to conclude yharim's entire history

[fervent quest]

yamharim

🍠

[soft geyser]

But like there should be build up to reach him instead of summing him like he spawns in a structure and you need to break through it to fight him

[wheat walrus]

why add allat

[mighty zenith]

he's gonna be in the dragon aerie

in a natural arena

[wheat walrus]

I just want a badass 1v1

[mighty zenith]

plus where tf would he get a castle from

[soft geyser]

To add a build up

[mighty zenith]

there will be build up

[wheat walrus]

there's already ENOUGH buildup

lol

[mighty zenith]

the entire dragon aerie

[soft geyser]

Who knows jus a structure he resude in

[soft geyser]

What is the build up killing his pet and his weapon

That ain't build up

[wheat walrus]

bruferson literally everything lol

[mighty zenith]

yharim is built up over the course of the entire game

[wheat walrus]

yharim is arguably the most important figure in calamity lore lol, and he gets a lot of attention with lore items, and all the other stuff

[soft geyser]

There should be curscene of him slowly walking towards of you at the end and pick up his weapon then the fight begins

[wheat walrus]

what

[mighty zenith]

ive said this many times but he should be beekeeping or gardening when you find him

[soft geyser]

Like that would be fricking goosebumps

[mighty zenith]

asgore style

[fervent quest]

I mean, I don't think that'd be too far fetched if it was short.

[wheat walrus]

nah honestly

[soft geyser]

I know to show he wants a fair fight

And gives you a chance to pick up your weapon before fighting commences

And he shouldn't die to u but more like a suicide as he realises that his plans are diminished

[mighty zenith]

no

[wheat walrus]

hell naw lol

[mighty zenith]

you already get two bosses before him that you dont get to kill

you SHOULD land the final blow on Yharim

[wheat walrus]

that would be very fraudy

[soft geyser]

Fair enough

I mean it does seem poetic at the end though he kills himself because finnally saw the flaws in him

[cloud ibex]

You overestimate Yharim’s ability to self-reflect

[mighty zenith]

I think it's more fitting for him to die with whatever dignity he think he has left

[wheat walrus]

I guess realizing flaws maybe but like, let me kill him lol

[mighty zenith]

one of his defining characteristics is his integrity

[soft geyser]

That too works

[wheat walrus]

the only thing your idea would change is that we're being killstolen

[mighty zenith]

he'd stick to his morals until the end

[wheat walrus]

the end has come

[sinful adder]

He thinks he is mostly right. He won't go back on that

[soft geyser]

So you know how noxus and Xeroc are considered bosses post yharim

[fervent quest]

what if he just becomes a town NPC at 1% health promising "with the cherry on top" thst he wont do this again

[sinful adder]

Yes. Planned. Might happen or might not

[wheat walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185955684743917679/1191134530027929690/attachment.gif

[mighty zenith]

id kill him then uninstall the game out of spite

[fervent quest]

trust me that'd be peak..

🙏

[soft geyser]

I say maybe killing him could lead to a dimensional drift opening which causes u to go to a new world where you find Xeroc and noxus

[wheat walrus]

what

what the sigma

[mighty zenith]

guh?

[fervent quest]

doubt yharim would possess that

[wheat walrus]

bro read calamity lore from walmart lmao

[sinful adder]

This makes no sense lmao

[pliant ruin]

yharim is just a guy

[soft geyser]

Not him

[pliant ruin]

why would killing him open a dimensional rift

he's like

a dude

[mighty zenith]

you'll already be able to access the place where noxus is

[pliant ruin]

i mean

[soft geyser]

Not killing gim

[buoyant inlet]

Anyway I agree that God of sacrifices probably could have give dog a good fight, and maybe even win against armorless dog. Since after all the armor was made so that dog can take over even the strongest gods.

You know what if this is how God of sacrifices died. What if dog killed him and either didn't absorb his essence or didn't do that fully. After all, god of sacrifices seemingly has a connection to blood, because of chalice of the blood god. Idk what implication can be there, but I think this can work; GoS was killed by dog and his followers tried to reanimate him with some powers, related to blood god? Maybe they tried to use blood God's essence to bring back missing parts of God of sacrifices, but it didn't work out

[pliant ruin]

he's a really strong dude

but he's also like

[sinful adder]

Read the lore that exists in the game. The way things will go is pretty clear

[pliant ruin]

just a dude

[mighty zenith]

xeroc is literally on the same planet probably

[soft geyser]

But more like a chain of actions after thst

[fervent quest]

doubt so

[pliant ruin]

what chain of actions tho

[sinful adder]

Even that wouldn't make sense

[pliant ruin]

h's still just

A Guy

[mighty zenith]

maybe yharim could give you a hint to go find noxus or something

[pliant ruin]

he can kill things good

but hes just like

[mighty zenith]

but outside of that

[sinful adder]

Please read the real lore and not the fandom garbage

[soft geyser]

After killing him a chain of reactionsigjt happen

[pliant ruin]

a really strong evil guy

[mighty zenith]

i cant think of anything that would make sense

[pliant ruin]

but like. what chain of reactions.

hes just a guy.

[fervent quest]

I don't think he possesses anything of value that would magically spawn a portal

to the guy he doesn't want to fight

because he knows he probably cant

[soft geyser]

I am just saying

[pliant ruin]

He wants to fight you

[sinful adder]

That wouldn't make any sense and even if you could make it make sense it would also not be fun or interesting

[pliant ruin]

If anything he wants you to kill him

Mostly because

[sinful adder]

Your "just saying" is lame

[pliant ruin]

he's old and senile and gonna die in like 10 years

and he wants you to continue his legacy

[buoyant inlet]

Either way blood god is an interesting topic

[mighty zenith]

just like me fr

[pliant ruin]

because he knows he dosen't have enough time to complete his crusade

[buoyant inlet]

Like wtf is he

[fervent quest]

well.. yeah, wouldn't work, good effort though

[pliant ruin]

cuz hes gonna die

because hes old

so he wants to manipulate you into continuing it for him

and he dosent rly care if it means you kill him because hes gonna die soon anyways

so

[soft geyser]

But like aren't noxus and Xeroc post yharim that is why I am saying

[fervent quest]

yharim dies out of old age before you manage to get the last swipe on him

[soft geyser]

He does standing and becomes a relic

[buoyant inlet]

You probably fight noxus as a help to xeroc

[soft geyser]

Nah that shit would drive me crazy

[buoyant inlet]

As I said before, noxus probably hides from xeroc

[pliant ruin]

yeah noxus and xeroc are post yharim

but like

[soft geyser]

So like how you fit them in

[pliant ruin]

noxus is in the distortion

you get to the distortion through ceaseless void

[soft geyser]

In my opinion they could be watching yharim somehow

[pliant ruin]

and xeroc is uhhh idk lol but hes probably just chilling somewhere

[buoyant inlet]

Maybe xeroc will reach to us and say something like "hey get this nefarious guy's ass and smoke him out"

[soft geyser]

I guess so

[pliant ruin]

why would they be watching him though

i doubt noxus gaf about yharim to be honest

[soft geyser]

Threat to them

[pliant ruin]

he's gonna die of old age soon

[soft geyser]

I know know they are stronger

[soft geyser]

That is what keeps people wirry

[pliant ruin]

noxus can literally just wait for yharim to die honestly

and i doubt yharim is enough of a threat for him to care anyways

[soft geyser]

Beayse who knows a old dude do before his death

[pliant ruin]

and again even if he is

he can legitimately just

wait for him to die

[soft geyser]

Ik that what makes those two worry

[pliant ruin]

wh

that dosen't make any sense

also xeroc is 100% not threatened by yharim

xeroc would melt yharim

noxus probably isn't either but xeroc 100% isn't

[soft geyser]

Because who knows what will an old dude do before his death who wants to kill gods

[scenic yacht]

nothing

[pliant ruin]

die of old age probably

[soft geyser]

Hmmm

[pliant ruin]

he's old and senile and all of his allies left him

except yharon

[sinful adder]

Not a guess, it's just plain confirmed. Also, Yharim is not a threat to anyone anymore. He's killed all the gods except for the strongest ones and the strongest ones are way above him

[soft geyser]

It makes sense that yharim could be making a special weapon

[mighty zenith]

???

[pliant ruin]

hes not

[mighty zenith]

he's not an engineer

[pliant ruin]

hes just depressed

[mighty zenith]

he's just a dude

[sinful adder]

No, it doesn't

[pliant ruin]

he's mopping and sobbing about how he can't do genocide anymore

and all of his friends hate him for no reason (because he does genocide

[scenic yacht]

yharim is just a fighter not a fucking weaponsmith/engineer

hes not gonna pull out the omega doom ray and blast your ass

(sadly)

[pliant ruin]

he can probably do some blacksmithing

[sinful adder]

I respect your attempt to come up with something interesting but you should just read what's already planned instead and trust that it will be good

[pliant ruin]

but he's not draedon

whatever he makes is not gonna kill xeroc

and even what draedon makes

isnt gonna kill xeroc

[soft geyser]

Not him but maybe some one who works under him

[pliant ruin]

and draedon is literally the most engineer to evr engineer

nobody works under him

[mighty zenith]

who

[pliant ruin]

hes alone

[sinful adder]

No one works under him anymore

[pliant ruin]

its just yharon

[mighty zenith]

everyone left him

[pliant ruin]

and yharon is uhhh dead currently

[soft geyser]

Where do I reaf

[pliant ruin]

and i doubt yharon is much of a engineer

[fervent quest]

Everyone quit realizing he was a bit of a prick.

[sinful adder]

He's literally just one guy sitting on a mountain

[pliant ruin]

jhe's kind of like

a dragon

[scenic yacht]

everyone is: || ||

[fervent quest]

Because killing people is kind of.. rude sort of

[pliant ruin]

Yeah the entire genocide thing uhh

Not very cool man i'm not gonna lie

Kind of rude.

[sinful adder]

Pinned messages

[cloud ibex]

Nice try feds

[pliant ruin]

yharim is just sitting depressed on the dragon aerie

hjes got nobody working under him

he's just being all sad alone

[fervent quest]

yharim only has the company of his bustling beekeeping hobby

[sinful adder]

He's just one really strong guy

[pliant ruin]

he is NOT a threat to noxus

or xeroc. definitely not xeroc.

[fervent quest]

One really depressed, strong guy.

[soft geyser]

So it jus gonna be a dyrk between the player and yharim

[pliant ruin]

the terrarian will kill yharim and thats kind of it

[soft geyser]

Who knows they might make yharon 1 ho and due to a thorn

[sinful adder]

He's not the strongest in the world, there are exactly two beings stronger than him. Maybe three if draedon gets another few years of science done.

Yharon is dead

[soft geyser]

That being silva and

[pliant ruin]

draedon will become stronger than him with enough time

[fervent quest]

credits roll and all the characters get shown frolicking around the fields the end gg..

[mighty zenith]

noxus and xeroc, not silva

silva is kinda uh

[sinful adder]

Not Silva. Just Xeroc and Noxus

[mighty zenith]

unable to exist

[pliant ruin]

Silva is

more durable than him

i guess

there's that

She's kind of like

immortal

but in actual strenght yeahh he kind of beat her already

[sinful adder]

Silva is weaker but unable to fully die. She might come back someday, but that's centuries away

[pliant ruin]

Idk if centuries or decades ors omething but

she'll come back eventually yeah

I like toi think it's like

[soft geyser]

Drawdon if he made a mech our of dog and yharon we are cooked bois

[pliant ruin]

a decade or something because that means braelor and statis get to see her again and i think that'd be wholesome

[scenic yacht]

thanatos

[pliant ruin]

also i like the idea of xeroc and silva bffism based on the fact they're the only two gods left

[soft geyser]

Ehhh he is a stronger destroyer

[mighty zenith]

braelor, braelor's boyfriend, braelor's wife and braelor's wife's new pet

[soft geyser]

Nd easier then dog

[pliant ruin]

silva is his mom get it right

[sinful adder]

He wouldn't need to make it based on those specifically. He can make whatever he wants

[pliant ruin]

primordial wyrm is his brother

[soft geyser]

Tf

[pliant ruin]

xeroc and silva just being like homies is just a fun headcanon to me lol

its wholesome i think

[sinful adder]

It's a joke

[pliant ruin]

like not even a ship they're legit just besties

[fervent quest]

I mean, they don't necessarily seem to hate each other

and they're the ones left

[soft geyser]

Who knows with calamity

[mighty zenith]

i think them being like a divorced couple is funnier

[pliant ruin]

they go
damn. we're the only fgods left. we should like go get a drink or something

[mighty zenith]

but to each their own

[pliant ruin]

THAT ONE IS GOOD TOO

LIKE

OK

IT CAN WORK

BOTH CAN WORK

[sinful adder]

The people who read the lore in game and/or in the document know

[pliant ruin]

they're a divorced couple but they also end up recoinciling and being besties after they realize they're the only gods left

this is real

[soft geyser]

How abiyr a platonic husband and wife

[fervent quest]

...so just friends

[soft geyser]

That are bbfsc

[sinful adder]

I don't think that makes much sense

[soft geyser]

But work together to escape the irs

Because irs is scary

[pliant ruin]

me and my platonic wife which i kiss every day and tell i love and am getting married to in 3 days

[fervent quest]

even above xeroc, the IRS seems to be on top of everyone.

[pliant ruin]

its ok were just platonic

[mighty zenith]

xeroc not being able to visit her cause her son hates him

and wants to maul him to death

[pliant ruin]

oh ym god real

[soft geyser]

Pls tell it is a jokr

[fervent quest]

it's realz.. (not)

[pliant ruin]

yes it is i'm not actually getting married

[soft geyser]

Alright

[pliant ruin]

it's too early for me to get married

[buoyant inlet]

Interesting topic is how sapient PW actually is

[pliant ruin]

i will one day though i love my girlfriend

[mighty zenith]

you're as straight as this road

[pliant ruin]

and my other girlfriend

not right now but one day

[pliant ruin]

this is targetted harrassment,,,

[soft geyser]

Not if it is trur

[fervent quest]

those are some really cool autumn trees

[soft geyser]

Is Xeroc the guy with the spear

[pliant ruin]

the one with the golden mask yeah

[soft geyser]

Alright

[buoyant inlet]

If auric dragons are as sapient as people, are offshoots the same

Did they became stupider through generations

Or only some of them

I don't think follies are as smart as people

I imagine they are smart

Like crows maybe

[real silo]

intelligence scale with majestic auric dragons at the top and stupid silly dragonfolly at the bottom

[pliant ruin]

dragonfollies just seem like wild animals yeah

i'd say the same probably applies to wyrms and fishrons but

maybe not for wyrms to some extent

[mighty zenith]

wdym

[pliant ruin]

since primordial wyrm seems to hate primordial light

[mighty zenith]

im just stating facts

[pliant ruin]

which is a odd trait for a animal to have

[buoyant inlet]

I think fishrons in general are the most animalistic ones

[real silo]

fith

[pliant ruin]

uhmmm yup mhm

you're very correct because thats a straight road and i'm straight and love men

i would never like women. ever. i'm vry straight

[pliant ruin]

Also yeah this seems reasonable

[real silo]

people say birdbrain as an insult but birds aren't that stupid

[graceful otter]

cheese is the straightest person in this chat

totally

[pliant ruin]

Fishrons probably are just animals

Dragonfollies i'd say

are also just animals

but like a really smart animal

Like a dolphin or a primate or a raven or something

Wyrms maybe are the smartest ones?

[real silo]

but are you (yes, you 🫵) an animal

[pliant ruin]

I'm not sure

[pliant ruin]

ermmm

i'm kibty :3

[real silo]

what do you mean erm

like the user

[pliant ruin]

no like

[fervent quest]

im a state of matter

liquid.

[real silo]

you don't matter

[fervent quest]

:c

[real silo]

you mass

[pliant ruin]

damn that's rude,,,,

:(

[pliant ruin]

a grown woman is saying this isn't that cool i'm such a winner

[real silo]

how winny

[fervent quest]

im moss.

[mighty zenith]

wiener

[fervent quest]

https://tenor.com/view/moss-moss-my-beloved-my-beloved-heart-locket-i-love-moss-gif-15868449871707182961

[real silo]

ok buddy go eat sunlight or something stupid

[fervent quest]

why are you so cruel to me

[cloud ibex]

Cause alt is a nerd

[buoyant inlet]

Honestly idk

They're very dubious

You know if follies are crow level smart, they're very op lmao

They're strong, smart, reproduce like rabbits, aggressive, apex predators and have literally 0 threats

Ig that's the reason they were hunted by people

But even still, I don't think there are many people who are that strong

[mild obsidian]

what is. old duke lore

[pliant ruin]

he's like duke fishron

but like

old

old duke is just a really really old fishron

thats kind of it

hes really strong because hes really old

also he gets to live in the sulphuric sea because hes more resilient than his less old brethren and because of that he dosent have to worry about competition

[fervent quest]

"old duke"

where's the oldest one..

[cloud ibex]

He’s not a Duke anymore he’s a baron

[scenic olive]

hes fucking dead

[raven terrace]

Finally!

Damn internet came back on...

Got a lot to catch up on-

[buoyant inlet]

Big part of OD's point is that he made his way into survival

He's strong not because he was given more power, he made his way into such power

[lean crag]

Mmm yeah I like that title

[real silo]

baron bitchron

[lean crag]

Had a convo the other day about OD renames and Baron is pretty cool

Emperor was also thrown around

[cold isle]

i think calmain is just the ramblings of the insane personified

[real silo]

emperor fishron 🔥 ✍️

[lean crag]

Would replace the fishron too but idk what

[raven terrace]

Huh?

[pliant ruin]

Baron Sulphuron

:p

[lean crag]

I threw sulphron around ye

It’s nice phonetically but there’s room for improvement

[pliant ruin]

Toxron sounds interesting

[buoyant inlet]

I think it can be interesting if od had nothing sulphuric in his design

Like, he's not native to this land, he just resides here because it's chill

He probably can not have anti sulphur adaptations

He can be covered in scars and burns but he's so strong they mean nothing to him

Like you remember old pre 22 concept for AS where it was horrible mutation with half of its skin burned

I don't think it makes sense for new AS but

Something like that can work for OD I imagine

Not mutations

I don't think it'd be affected by radiation much

[lean crag]

Oooo

That could be fun

I’ve said it before but I’d also love if OD took inspiration from much older/prehistoric animals like Icthyosaurs, Mosasaurs, Hell Pigs etc

Both showing the era it came from and showing tangible aging aside from

Beard and mustache

I did this take ages ago and I really quite like it still

[pliant ruin]

Interesting

AS isn't really native to the sulphuric sea as much as it's just taking a stroll there but with OD actively living on it it makes sense that he'd probably be scarred and such

[buoyant inlet]

Wdym AS isn't native to it

It was always there, probably even before sea became sulphuric

[mild obsidian]

so he's duke and lives in the nuclear sea

would that

make him

duke nukem

[buoyant inlet]

Also yk I like the idea that sulp sea was actually sulphuric even before azafure

Maybe there's a volcano nearby

That poisoned the sea

[pliant ruin]

AS isn't specifically native to the sulphuric sea

it's just a ocean creature

[buoyant inlet]

Well as is stated to be native to it

[pliant ruin]

It just happened to take a venture into the sulphuric sea as far as i'm concerned

[buoyant inlet]

To the point it's death is consequential to the ecosystem

[pliant ruin]

Specially considering the aquatic scourge seems to be a single individual

the one you fight anyways

so i think as a species it isn't really native to it

it's just this one guy that decided to go there

[buoyant inlet]

I think AS is just very territorial to its own kind

Why'd they need mandibles if they are filter feeders

Probably for in-species conflicts and demonstrations

[pliant ruin]

The design is pretty dated tbf but yeah

I can see it

Tho tbh i wouldn't be surprised

If they're less of filter feeders in the like suspension feeder sense

and more of the like

sifter side of things

using their big tusks to dig up tiny shrimps and critters from the soil and just eating then in mass

[buoyant inlet]

I don't see this aspect of the design being removed in a potential resprite

It would be cool if it was

But I don't think it'll happen

[pliant ruin]

I know there's some whales that do that

I think it's bowheads but i forgor

oh wait

it's gray whales

those guys

like they just sift through sand to eat a bunch of tiny shrimp and such

i'd imagine aquatic scourge could be something like that, but with its tusks

[buoyant inlet]

Either way I think AS does have anti acid adaptations

And because of that won't be burned

OD won't be native to it, but it resided in here since the end of draconic era, and it kinda adapted to sulphur, but not nearly as much as AS

Because, well, it's just 1 individual

Not a generation

[pliant ruin]

Well i don't think AS is a generation either

I think it's a oceanic species and this one individual just so happened to go to the sulphuric sea

[buoyant inlet]

Idk

Maybe there was a mini generation of them in the sulp sea

[pliant ruin]

It wouldn't make sense for me for it to be a species that dwells in the sulphuric sea specifically when you killing only one was enough for larger animals to start coming to it

[buoyant inlet]

Because otherwise idk why they would go in here

It's not a good place and like acid burns if you don't have adaptations against it

[pliant ruin]

I can see some explanations for it tho tbf theyre all based purely on headcanon

Maybe sulphuric sea used to be a migration route even before it got sulphuric

Or maybe there's really good food here or something

Like maybe the tiny shrimp here are for some reason better than the tiny shrimp elsewhere

[buoyant inlet]

I just think that sulp sea is pretty big and different scourges live in different parts of it

And as I said they're territorial to each other

Imagine if instead of mandibles AS had a mouth like this

For intimidation and digging

[pliant ruin]

that wouyld be cool,,,

sarcastic fringehead beloved

[buoyant inlet]

Their russian name is funny it's basically can be translated into pike sea dog/doggy

[pliant ruin]

lol thats kind of cute

which is funny given they look like That

[wheat walrus]

I will beat up a sarcastic fringehead with my big hammer

the sarcastic fringehead will also be comically large and evil fucked up

[scenic olive]

Scourge of the Cosmos

is it more fitting that Astrum Deus has the title Scourge of the Cosmos

or should DoG have that title

[buoyant inlet]

Deus is like the opposite of scourge

[pliant ruin]

Deus is from the cosmos but he is not very scourge-y

he's a friend

[hoary berry]

if anything, i'd say the astral infection is closer to a 'scourge of the cosmos' than deus

[pliant ruin]

yeah tbh

could retroactively fit that into the title of deus's theme

''pest of the cosmos" dosen't fit deus

but when you see ''pest of the cosmos" as a direct reference to the infection itself

it fits

[hoary berry]

also should i use a texture pack that makes each wooden armour set slugcats or eeveelutions?

important question

[pliant ruin]

yes

[hoary berry]

it's not a yes or no question

[scenic olive]

The

[pliant ruin]

yes

[scenic olive]

Astral Blight

[buoyant inlet]

Tbh I think this always was the intent

Deus was never a pest, really

In old lore it was a shattered infected piece if the gargantuan space god

[scenic olive]

Invoked Stargod

[little cloud]

Are the Forgotten Dragon Egg and/or McNugget pets canon? (genuine serious question)

[buoyant inlet]

Nope

One of them is dedicated item

And other is not, but still has dubious real-nes

I imagine the mcnugget pet will be reclassified into master mode pet in the future

[limber locust]

Is this lore?

[calm patio]

No

[limber locust]

aw man

💀

[frozen zodiac]

speaking of deus, WIP of the humanoid-bug esque version of them im making, thoughts? im thinking of using their summon item as an insignia on the chestplate

(also yes they have a tail)

[limber locust]

oh no

[frozen zodiac]

its a BUG, it doesnt have fur, it doesnt classify as a furry its another category for insects

[pliant ruin]

Nope

They're both just silly pets, and one is a donor item so

I doubt either of them has any actual lore implications.

Well, one of them definitely dosen't but still

[pliant ruin]

Weak

Accept that you've made a bug furry....

[frozen zodiac]

have you ever seen a worm with fur? no?

[pliant ruin]

a elephant

do elephants have fur

and would you not call a elephant anthro a furry

if it's a animal and it's walking like a person it's a furry

[frozen zodiac]

im thinking about it

[vernal jewel]

what's the lore for the primordial wyrm in the abyss?

[pliant ruin]

It's a eidolon wyrm that's really old and thus stronger than the others

and also

it got blessed by Silva, goddess of life

making it even stronger still

So it's basically just a really strong dragon fish guy

like a really strong dragon fish guy

[vernal jewel]

how'd it appear, what's the overall lore for the wyrms

[pliant ruin]

wyrms are draconic offshoots

[buoyant inlet]

Primordial wyrm is the first wyrm

[pliant ruin]

they're related to auric dragons such as yharon but lack an auric soul proper

[buoyant inlet]

Not just one of the oldest

It's the oldest

[pliant ruin]

Also yeah it's the oldest wyrm

[buoyant inlet]

Wyrms are dragon offshoots

Dragon offshoots appear when auric dragons reproduce and their kids don't get auric souls

[vernal jewel]

so like, the primordial wyrm is the very first wyrm then

[buoyant inlet]

Yes

He hates primordial light (sunlight)

Because he hates Xeroc, who wields it as domain

Xeroc, in the eyes of PW, stole it from the dragon king zeratros

Zeratros had auric domain of primordial light

Then he was injured in the battle against moon lord when ML first invaded

And xeroc absorbed Zaratros' auric soul

For that PW hates him

[vernal jewel]

zaratros died?

[buoyant inlet]

Yes

[vernal jewel]

was it like... with bad motive as well or did zeratros know that he had to make a sacrifice?

[buoyant inlet]

PW now guards terminus, Xeroc's own artefact, from him

[urban hedge]

We don't know

If you're talking about what I think you are

[vernal jewel]

who talks to you when you activate the terminus and start the boss run?

[urban hedge]

Xeroc

[buoyant inlet]

Yes, Xeroc

[vernal jewel]

wait, do you have to kill the wyrm to actually own the terminus (and lose it if you die) or do you just... get it?

[urban hedge]

You just get the Terminus from a chest near the bottom of the Terminus, I don't think you need to kill PW for it or anything
You do have to beat SCal and Exo Mechs to use it iirc, though

[vernal jewel]

oh wait... sorry, I was thinking infernum

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc seems like he's cool i doubt he actually like betrayed zeratros

i'm a strong believer it was consensual

[tired root]

really? I can use it whenever