lore-discussion

[scenic olive]

Borgoose

[latent bolt]

cant resist doing the thing

borgerpat

[warm gull]

oh yeah and andorra

they probably protect you from them

[pliant ruin]

wahoo

yippee

[graceful otter]

mario looking ass

King of the Demons and the Underworld's self-proclaimed ruler, you can attribute the increasing danger of it's home to this one. After Azafure's fall, many cities based within the Underworld had pre-emptively fled, fearing the worst. Infernon saw opportunity, and trained pitiful demons into warriors of great strength and numbers. What was once tranquil homes are now empty with nothing but endless foes.
``` boo

[warm gull]

relatable response to andorra

[lean crag]

aza why are you rebelling against the bourgoisie in lore discussion

[lean crag]

infernon

[graceful otter]

thats his name

[lean crag]

zamn king of demons

[visual kiln]

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[sand ocean]

4th line
opportunity*

[warm gull]

I wonder what the inspiration for the name is

[pliant ruin]

Blunggle

@visual kiln

[lean crag]

hiiii

[graceful otter]

Blow up.

💥

[pliant ruin]

Blungle

[lean crag]

Add are you a lore discussion regular now

[pliant ruin]

@sand ocean can you change my nickname to blungle

[graceful otter]

is the cheese dying

[pliant ruin]

blungle

[graceful otter]

the cheese died

can we have a moment to mourn

[sand ocean]

Infernon saw oppoturnity, and training pitiful demons into warriors of great strength and numbers.
this should be like
Infernon saw opportunity in training pitiful demons into warriors of great strength in great numbers.
or like
Infernon saw opportunity, and trained pitiful demons into warriors of great strength in great numbers.
i think

[pliant ruin]

irs ok its still there

[sand ocean]

no the bot just went off because people kept saying sw*ear words

[graceful otter]

Explode.

[pliant ruin]

blungle is just the server nicknamw

[graceful otter]

(my thoughts change mid writing, so it leads to wonky stuff like that)

[sand ocean]

writing issue

[warm gull]

yeah there is usually grammar to correct in noob's lore

[lean crag]

not the sw**r words! D:

[graceful otter]

youre on thin fucking ice

_ _

oh no.

[sand ocean]

there's a key

above the enter button on your keyboard

use that

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166676387592151111/1193501755128938627/togif-19.gif

[graceful otter]

u dont get it

[magic epoch]

I'm eggg

[warm gull]

correct

👍

[graceful otter]

not anymore

[magic epoch]

Wtf

Die

I think

[graceful otter]

ur now scrambleddd

[magic epoch]

No I'm omelettte

[warm gull]

azathoth will show up to say "wtf revives u"

[graceful otter]

how about sunny side uppp

[magic epoch]

no

you can't repeat the same letter 3 time on anything

[graceful otter]

maybe boileddd?

[magic epoch]

i only have one extra letter

[graceful otter]

shush

it looks nicer this way

[magic epoch]

no

[warm gull]

add an extra g to the end of the word

[graceful otter]

yes

[solar wharf]

we protesting for an extra g!!!

[magic epoch]

addg ang extrag gg tog theg endg ofg theg wordg

[warm gull]

my name doesn't have any gs in it though

duh

[magic epoch]

daiching

[warm gull]

wtf

hah you clicked this message

[magic epoch]

what

[warm gull]

not for you

[magic epoch]

???

wtf are you saying!!!!!!!!!!!

[warm gull]

don'tg questiong itg

https://tenor.com/view/hypnosis-gif-20354324

[buoyant inlet]

Sand shark lore

[tropic oak]

@graceful otter hey u……

[graceful otter]

wat

[buoyant inlet]

We'll never know

[spring helm]

wtf what happened to cheese

why is she blungle now

[sand ocean]

#lore-discussion message

[stark basalt]

this is getting out of hand

[buoyant inlet]

Great sand shark lore guys

Do you think it was living in upper shores of the ilmeran sea

I imagine it, just like DS, buried in sand to ambush it's prey

DS probably hunted smaller animals tho

It slurpled as much small fish as possible

While shark hunted bigger fish and maybe younger scourges

Also how does a shark live without a water

We'll never know

[magic epoch]

exchange gills for lungs

they jump out of the air

[buoyant inlet]

Well sharks don't have lungs.... And evolving them would take million years

[magic epoch]

in the real world

this is terraria

[buoyant inlet]

Maybe sand shark had primitive lungs already and lived like lungfish

[magic epoch]

sand sharks could hypothetically have both, I think some animals irl do that

yeah lungfish

that's the one

my biology class is helping for once

[buoyant inlet]

Actually

[crimson finch]

Can Sand sharks be cooked into glass sharks???

[buoyant inlet]

This is sand sharks
https://youtu.be/zipOU0KN0vA?si=RHt242AAI4OEGFty

[warm gull]

what if i killed someone in warm blood instead of cold blood

[buoyant inlet]

That would be fascinating

[crimson finch]

Just be in a warm bath while doing it

Then you’ll get less of a severe charge cause you were warm instead of cold

[stark basalt]

im finally getting good at calamity my lore chat fellas

[buoyant inlet]

Skill solution

[stark basalt]

it took me so many hours

[spring helm]

aido lore

[stark basalt]

(i still suck)

(but less so)

[crimson finch]

No longer warned Aido

Awesome sauce

[stark basalt]

ive been freed from my constraints

[spring helm]

july 9

i am set free

[crimson finch]

do NOT do it again

[buoyant inlet]

Why is everyone suddenly warned in this chat??!?!

[stark basalt]

because we're the problem children of the server

(i didnt move on when someone else got in trouble)

[foggy edge]

I don't know why I just randomly thought of this, but I wonder if the name Yharim/Yharon was inspired by Yharnam from Bloodborne

[sand ocean]

what does yharnam do

[magic epoch]

genocide probably

[trail zodiac]

idk

bee

[magic epoch]

like from Undertale

[stark basalt]

not to be confused with ant

[sand ocean]

what, you egg?

[trail zodiac]

no

they are eggg

get it right

[magic epoch]

*i get stabbed

[foggy edge]

Yharnam is the name of Bloodbornes world, which I believe was named after a queen within the game

[magic epoch]

yharim trans?

[spring helm]

i mean he changed his name after he got dunked in lava

close enough?

[rotund shore]

If we go off of noobs agenda then yeah transmasc yharim is already real

[foggy edge]

Sounds about right

[sand ocean]

i thought bloodborne's world was called bloodland

, bornetopia

[stark basalt]

[foggy edge]

Can't say thats quite right

[spring helm]

i know nothing about bloodborne except that one rwby crossover fic i read like a year ago so i cant say this is wrong

[sand ocean]

is the bloodborne world actually like that in the entire world
like i know the game itself is set in britain or smth but is every single place in the entire world that gloomy and monsterpilled

[foggy edge]

No, Yharnam is just the place you travel through not the entire world
For example you are able to travel to a different part of the world called Cainhurst

[foggy edge]

Yeah its pretty much the equivalent of being trapped in England

[crimson finch]

ENGLAND?!?!?

[sand ocean]

same

[foggy edge]

I don't even think Xeroc could survive a single night in England

[spring helm]

damn that's just like the sulpherous sea or something

calamity referenced lore

[foggy edge]

It'd be too much for that deity

[buoyant inlet]

I'm pretty sure that yes, it was inspired by it

Yharims name

It came before yharon

Yharon is just yharim + dragon

Tho in-universe Yharim named himself after yharon

[spring helm]

this is straight up how i name my characters too

word + another word

[crimson finch]

WAIT ACTUALLY

[spring helm]

sometimes in different languages to spice things up

[crimson finch]

THERES NO WAY THATS HOW YHARON WAS NAMED

[buoyant inlet]

This is exactly how he was named

[warm gull]

usually to make names i just type out syllables I think sound cool and then mash them together

[buoyant inlet]

When I make names for creatures I usually try to break their design down and pin the most important and noticeable visual elements

And name them accordingly to those elements

[buoyant inlet]

*also not just break down the design

But also behavior and the general environment

[foggy edge]

Yeah I assumed so, I also mainly thought so because Fabsol has added items into the mod that were references to the souls series

[buoyant inlet]

Fabsol has added a lot of items that reference something he likes

[scenic olive]

The fabstaff

[spring helm]

Straight loring my brains out right now

Since Storm Weaver is so old, I’m headcanoning that it has influenced the climate enough to make a permanent mark on the planet

[crimson finch]

ohm my god

Storm weaver mentioned

[spring helm]

Thinking about Weaver rn because I’m still stuck on trying to make a continent for the game to happen on.

That spiralled into trying to figure out what the wind and ocean currents look like on Terraria since it appears that the planet rotates clockwise when looking from the North.

I just gave up and reversed the coriolis effect so objects deflect left in the northern hemisphere and right in the south.

Then I got to thinking about the jet streams and wondered if Storm Weaver rode those like the turtles rode the East Australian Current in Finding Nemo.

Now I’m thinking about how it would be cool if the Terrarian fought Storm Weaver in a jet stream

Maybe fly through different air currents as SW got desperate and end up circumnavigating the globe trying to run away or something.

Maybe that’s a bit too Dragon Ball though.

[buoyant inlet]

I think it would be cool if Weaver summoned a full blown entire natural disaster pack in your fight

A thunderstorm, tornado, hurricane

I think Weaver legit can make a supercell cloud and form a tornado

@wheat walrus how much energy would it take to form a legit supercell

[spring helm]

One Omni-joule

[buoyant inlet]

Man supercells are mesmerizing

[stark basalt]

Badass armor ngl

Lore reason for why this goes so hard?

[crimson finch]

Ohm Blue better

[stark basalt]

Omega blue stinky

Jk

I use almost exclusively omega blue for dog

[crimson finch]

I wanna use Ohm for like the rest of the game

For the funny

[stark basalt]

It’s really strong

It would keep up I bet

[buoyant inlet]

It would be neat if in the future it was crafted with distortion wood/wood like materials

[stark basalt]

It’s like the post dog equivalent of using only lunar sets after ml

[stark basalt]

No because i love that

[buoyant inlet]

It's already crafted from buffed moons materials right

They'll die and be moved to distortion

I think it'd make sense if you made this armor with distortion materials entirely

[stark basalt]

It’s actually pretty cool that all post dog sets are gonna be made with extremely powerful plantlike thingies

Aside from god slayer ig

[last marlin]

maybe not for summoner, cant see anybody playing without summoner set bonus

[buoyant inlet]

Supercells are in fact real type of storms and they form tornadoes

[last marlin]

didnt ask but cool if you know that

[buoyant inlet]

My point was supercell the company didn't invent this word

[last marlin]

no shit?

[buoyant inlet]

So there was no need to reply to me with an image of this logo

Ping reply of all things

[last marlin]

whats wrong with ping reply

[buoyant inlet]

Nothing but they can be annoying when there's too much

[last marlin]

so basically, youre a narcissist cuz you think youre the center of the world and you have a fuckton of replies sent to you

[buoyant inlet]

What

[calm patio]

???

[last marlin]

yeah, what

[buoyant inlet]

You're fighting ghosts here idk where you get this from

[last marlin]

my ass obv

i like pulling shit out of my ass, both figuritively and literally

why do other humans when they absorb an auric soul turn into gods, but when terrarian does that, he doesnt.

[last marlin]

i was js making ass humor, dont get bothered

[scenic olive]

Changelog confirms that The Xeroc symbol in the sky is his 'eye'

[eager bluff]

it is in fact not

that is the primordial light sigil

[stuck shore]

Why not both?

[eager bluff]

because its just the sigil

[stuck shore]

Symbol goes on his face where the center eye part is

Like the center eye sigil part goes around his socket in his skin

“Look guys my godhood gave me a sick ass tattoo on a good spot of my face”

[scenic olive]

too late its canon now

[mighty zenith]

cause implementing an accurate ascension system would be impossible so hunt just had to make it a stat tick

[wheat walrus]

Idk I remember seeing a calc on that

[quaint night]

i’ve literally haven’t talked in this server in years. however i see storm talk. so let’s storm talk
weaver 100% has atmospheric powers. no matter what way you cut it. if he can form supercells, that means he can produce incredibly strong naders. the problem is that you fight the storm weaver in the sky. that ain’t going to touch the ground unless you want your entire world to have its topsoil (and npc housing, arenas, etc) removed.
also idk about the weaver’s canonical length but if he can form supercells he loooooong. maybe he could wiggle his way into large, pre-existing clouds like a parasite, and destabilize them from the inside.
it’s 6 am so this was probably a rambly response, but just something to consider. back to sleep

[wheat walrus]

found it, City to Mountain Level basically, it's either more than most nukes or more than any nuke ever designed lol

[buoyant inlet]

That's a big gap

Not gap

I forgot the word....

[wheat walrus]

ik it's quite a big difference between low end and high end

[buoyant perch]

does yharim have an auric soul?

[wheat walrus]

no

[buoyant perch]

I see

[wheat walrus]

he's just attuned with Yharon, a dragon who has an auric soul

[buoyant perch]

his armor is attuned or he is?

[wheat walrus]

only dragons have auric souls, if you absorb one it becomes another thing entirely and you become a god

[wheat walrus]

well

he is attuned, so that he can wear the armor

[buoyant perch]

I see

[buoyant perch]

any idea why he's attuned with yharon?

[wheat walrus]

because they are very close friends, in the sense that Yharon saved Yharim's life and Yharim wants to avenge Yharon's kind, their souls connected because of that ig

[buoyant perch]

okay

xeroc does have an auric soul right?

[mighty zenith]

gods dont have auric souls

they absorbed auric souls and their souls meshed together

[wheat walrus]

.

[warm gull]

gods combine the fragility of a mortal soul with the power of an auric soul and it sort of fucks the whole thing

[buoyant perch]

so xeroc is a god

[warm gull]

that's why the souls don't persist once they die

[buoyant perch]

isn't the corruption and crimson the souls persisting even though the "hosts" are dead

[warm gull]

no it's their essence whatever that means

[buoyant perch]

ah

[mighty zenith]

its like their domain can't fully die, so it tries to repair itself fruitlessly by lingering in the world

[buoyant perch]

has the sulphurous sea always been like that or was it normal and draedon did thay

or wait ko draedon made it worse or something

are azafure and brim crag the same?

[real silo]

sulphurous sea was a normal sea before azafure started making stuff

Azafure was the main cause of the sea being acidic

Then draedon made it worse

Azafure is a city inside the crags

[mighty zenith]

azafure was much bigger than what the current brimstone crag is but more or less yeah

[buoyant perch]

did azafure also create the abyss then?

[random mulch]

the abyss is a natural formation

[buoyant perch]

primordial wyrms are descendants of dragons then?

[random mulch]

there is only 1 primordial wyrm

but eidolon wyrms are descendants of dragons yes

[mighty zenith]

eidolon wyrms are the smaller guys yeah

[buoyant perch]

ah

[solar wharf]

primordial wyrm is just the first generation of wyrms, so its closest to the dragons

• silvas blessing

[buoyant perch]

how did Silva die

[solar wharf]

yharim

i think?

[buoyant perch]

right

[solar wharf]

she never

died anyway

shes moreso trapped in a very fucked up sense

[buoyant perch]

apparently she died and was attempted to be disposed of in the abyss

[random mulch]

not really the first "generation"

[solar wharf]

no, shes still alive

shes an elemental

[random mulch]

PW is just the first wyrm

[solar wharf]

she cant die as long as her domain still exists

[buoyant perch]

ohh I see

[solar wharf]

her body is just fucked by yharim and stuck in the abyss, shes basically half dead

[buoyant perch]

his name is actual name is frl Jared?

[solar wharf]

community made up name

[random mulch]

jared is just a nickname

[buoyant perch]

wow I had a stroke

ah

[random mulch]

probably because its old name was "Adult Eidolon Wyrm", which is a lot to say

so they just used jared as a short way to refer to it

[buoyant perch]

but the only reference of Silva you can see is the planty mush?

[mighty zenith]

it was just a funny nickname hectique gave to a bugged AEW that spawned and didnt attack him

and it just stuck

[solar wharf]

shes mentioned in anahitas lore piece, that shes stuck in the abyss and was stuck once more before even yharim was born by we dont know who (possibly the dragons)

[random mulch]

planty mush is a consequence of silva being in the abyss, but it's not silva herself

[buoyant perch]

makes sense

[random mulch]

though it's planned that you get to see silva's "corpse" at the bottom of the abyss

[buoyant perch]

I can be crafting life fruits thanks to her 💯

[buoyant perch]

that would be incredibly cool act

I love generated structures

or the things they have in infernum or whatever

[random mulch]

sunken sea overhaul and brimstone crags overhaul will have some neat structures

namely entire cities

[buoyant perch]

some better underworld structures and maybe jungle buildings would be cool too

or like a completely reworked lizhard temple

who the hell is braelor the first mention of his name is at the Providence part

did I skip a part or smt

[random mulch]

silva's champion and statis' boyfriend

poor guy is stuck in the distortion

[buoyant perch]

and statis was some sorcerer or something

aren't her accessories summoner related?

[random mulch]

statis is a ninja and the last of the onyx kinsmen

[buoyant perch]

ahhh

[random mulch]

his*

[buoyant perch]

I remember that

oh

[random mulch]

braelor and statis are gae

[buoyant perch]

YIPEEE !!!

good for them

onyx Kingsman are the people who dislike the slime god right?

[random mulch]

they worshipped slime god*

[buoyant perch]

ah

are there any references to braelor in accessories or weapons?

[random mulch]

other than maybe silva armor in a future update, no not really

[open ruin]

Is there lore behind shadowspec bars?

[hoary berry]

no

shadowspec gear is not canon

demonshade will be retiered to be post-scal armour in the future though, rather than shadowspec, so you could probably consider demonshade canon?

[buoyant perch]

old duke and normal duke are descendants of dragons too?

[solar wharf]

yes

old duke is in a similar case to the PW but idk if we are told hes the first

we just know hes very old

[open ruin]

ah so it just ends there?

[solar wharf]

the canon end material is auric, miracle matter and ashes of annhilation

[buoyant perch]

shadowspec is like dedicated content?

[hoary berry]

yeah all donor and dev items aren't canon

[buoyant perch]

I THOUGHT IT STOPPED AT THE BOSSES THEY WROTE ABOUT EVERY MOB??

noway

[hoary berry]

yeah some mobs have bestiary entries that are actually really important or revealing

[last marlin]

ok so, prime moonlord, should be stronger than xeroc. cuz the light dragon which is where xeroc got its power from, lost badly to moonlord.

[hoary berry]

xeroc is far stronger than zeratros

they've been training for centuries and were already very strong before they ascended with the strongest dragon's auric soul

[last marlin]

all i see is that hes a monk, or theyre

[hoary berry]

they were a monk before ascending

though we don't know exactly what that entails

[warm gull]

apparently they were around the level that yharim is now

[last marlin]

put into acc moonlord didnt js beat zeratros alone

but its alr

plot holes happen

[gleaming hollow]

which is why #lore-discussion exists

[hoary berry]

i don't think this is at all a plot hole??

[mighty zenith]

huh

moon lord was alone though

[hoary berry]

i think they meant fovos beat several dragons, not just zeratros

[mighty zenith]

ah

[warm gull]

moon lord fucked up zeratros and a lot of other dragons

[hoary berry]

though i still disagree with their assessment of xeroc's strength

[last marlin]

ok

[mighty zenith]

fovos was much more destructive than xeroc is

so he had a much easier time dealing with multiple targets

but in a one on one, xeroc would destroy him

[last marlin]

i could see xeroc winning due to him being able to create and use multiple kinds of abilities, unlike moonlord who can js destroy and only use what he's physically limited to

[warm gull]

I mean he can summon shit

[last marlin]

yeah

[warm gull]

and has multiple attacks

[last marlin]

bro can js summon a million yharon and moonlord's done

[warm gull]

no

I mean

the moon lord

[last marlin]

i dont think nameless deity should be considered here

[hoary berry]

what

[warm gull]

summons eyes

[last marlin]

uh.

[hoary berry]

i don't think nameless was ever mentioned

[last marlin]

he doesnt, he use his own eyes

[warm gull]

I am not talking about nameless chief

the moon lord summons those eyes in circles and throws them at you

[last marlin]

i thought he was talking about xeroc when he said ''multiple attacks'' knowing we didnt see xeroc do any attacks of any sort

[last marlin]

pretty sure they come out of his body

[cloud ibex]

we haven't really seen current xeroc... at all

[warm gull]

yeah the 3 true eyes of cthulhu

[last marlin]

yep, only his eye

[cloud ibex]

just a drawing of what they used to look like

[warm gull]

but the true eyes of cthulhu summon those rings of eyes and throw them at you

[last marlin]

this appearently

[warm gull]

that's pre ascension

[last marlin]

which arent directly caused by moonlord, its the eyes that do that

[warm gull]

the eyes that... as we just discussed... come out of his body?

and he summons the same eyes before the eyes come out regardless

[last marlin]

yeah, the eyes are sentient, so theyre the ones that created them

alr alr you win.

[warm gull]

jesus christ why are you always so pedantic and treating everything like it has to be a debate

I don't care if I won

just chill

[last marlin]

ok, you lose then

[cloud ibex]

i don't think the Pillars' role in cal lore is explained but i've seen a theory that ML is the one summoning them as a preamble for his invasion

[last marlin]

the pillars are prolly irrelevant in everyway

and theories are headcanons

[cloud ibex]

i mean they could be relevant

we just don't really know

[last marlin]

which they arent cuz there isnt any kind of mention about them anywhere

[warm gull]

oh my god

[last marlin]

and because we dont know, we cant js be assuming shit

[cloud ibex]

to my knowledge the devs are planning to change at least some of the vanilla enemies' bestiary entries, they could get some explanation in cal's context

[cloud ibex]

no one is assuming anything

[last marlin]

untill then, pillars are irrelevant

[hoary berry]

no?

[last marlin]

enable tag whenever you talk to me

[lapis steppe]

In short we don't know so the question is in the air

[warm gull]

that's an assumption though

[lapis steppe]

Maybe they are maybe they ain't

[hoary berry]

they might ultimately be, but we really dont know if they are. there's no problem with theorising about them

[last marlin]

it isnt assuming, the default interpretation we can interpret the pillars when there is no information about them, is that theyre irrelevant

[warm gull]

no, it's that we don't know

[cloud ibex]

not really

[hoary berry]

a lot of discussions in here are based on theories and inferences, not concrete stuff we know of yet

doesn't mean those topics are irrelevant

[last marlin]

prove otherwise

[warm gull]

assuming that they are or aren't is an assumption

either way

[lapis steppe]

☝️

[last marlin]

it isnt an assumption to say they arent, its the default of what they are

[warm gull]

no it isn't

there is no default

[last marlin]

there is a default lmao

[cloud ibex]

if you look close enough you'll notice that cal is not a finished mod, you can't really immediately conclude that something is irrelevant in the story because the devs haven't gotten to explaining it yet

[warm gull]

no there isn't

[cloud ibex]

the default when we don't know anything about it is "we don't know anything about it"

[warm gull]

yeah

[lapis steppe]

Yes, and it is "we don't know yet so we cannot tell yet if they are irrelevant or not, as that seemingly hasn't been decided"

[warm gull]

farshoosh is just saying that his assumption is the given

[last marlin]

you always use this kind of default in your life, for example, i said ''i got a high grade'' but since i didnt mention how much i got exactly, youd prolly imagine something that cannot be lower than a certain number

[warm gull]

instead of the actual given

[cloud ibex]

if we were talking something minor like the pirates then yeah sure assuming they're literally just pirates and nothing more complex is fair, but this is the event preceding the revival of the catalyst of the mod's entire story we're talking about

[warm gull]

I don't

[lapis steppe]

[last marlin]

prove otherwise

[lapis steppe]

[cloud ibex]

i think it's safe to say there's probably some importance to them

we just Have No Way To Know Yet

[tropic oak]

hello lorians

[warm gull]

prove that I don't think of a certain number?

[tropic oak]

what are we talking about today

[last marlin]

yes

[warm gull]

the burden of proof lies upon the one who makes the claim

[last marlin]

i did prove why you should, you said you wouldnt without proving that, so its your burden to prove what you claimed cuz you havent yet

[warm gull]

you didn't prove anything lmao

[last marlin]

.

[lapis steppe]

Then what is that even meant to mean?

[warm gull]

you just said "you probably think of a certain number"

[last marlin]

its an equation

[warm gull]

that is not proof

[lapis steppe]

That's literally assuming something

[warm gull]

it is another assumption that you've decided is self-evident fact

[lapis steppe]

And an assumption doesn't prove anything

[last marlin]

thats reasoning to why my argument is true, which you havent done one to yours, so yours is invalid unless you do one

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/disturbed-cat-concerned-cat-wtf-cat-surprised-cat-repulsed-cat-gif-17597253449065648244

why tf are y'all arguing about pillars being relevant or nah

[last marlin]

i really didnt ask you and youre irrelevant here

[lapis steppe]

You just repeat yourself with the same invalid claim

[warm gull]

farshoosh do you realize how much less lame this would be if you didn't make an indefensible point and try to get us to debate it with you

[lapis steppe]

If I'm irrelevant then you've been wrong the entire time

[warm gull]

I'm half expecting him to just say "Hah I was trolling you the entire time and by engaging with me you fell for it!! so I win!!"

[lapis steppe]

Or did you decide I'm irrelevant the same way you decided your own thought is fact?

[graceful otter]

this is such a stupid thing to say, considering the lore devs have explanations for more mundane things, such as underground cabins

[last marlin]

since what im saying are replies, and since i would have the same reply to a certain thing always, it isnt me thats repeating, its whoever i was talking to did repeat what he was saying

[lapis steppe]

I got some more reading to do then

[last marlin]

which i dont see how thats associated with pillars?

[lapis steppe]

All I'm asking is for you to give a concrete exemple, what you said earlier was literally assumption

[wheat walrus]

I have classified information on Caramitee Rore, I win because I know the truth about among us moonlor but can't say it !!!

[hoary berry]

gasp

[lapis steppe]

[last marlin]

anyway i was js trolling

[lapis steppe]

Impossible

[wheat walrus]

LMAO

[graceful otter]

the point is that if something as minor as that will have an explanation, something as noticable and important as pillars will also have lore

[lapis steppe]

[warm gull]

.

[lapis steppe]

You called it alright

[last marlin]

accurate

you remember me?

[hoary berry]

if xeroc played an instrument what would it be

[graceful otter]

mfs arguing will always say "im just trolling!!!!" after they realise they dont have a proper point in the arguement

[cloud ibex]

i'm gonna be real with you chief i have no idea who the hell you are other than a guy who really likes arguing

[warm gull]

I remember you from when I ascended beyond your level of thinking and created the ultimate character that destroyed goku

with my ultimate powerscaling methods

yeah

[last marlin]

i really couldve easily won if i wanted, but didnt feel like doing it

[lapis steppe]

[last marlin]

ok, i didnt really get what youre trying to say but ok

[wheat walrus]

the instrument would be an instrument that plays BR Tier 4 whenever played

[warm gull]

rare noob w

[lapis steppe]

I can't help but imagine him with a ukulele

[lapis steppe]

💯

[hoary berry]

that question actually stemmed from the joke-thought that BR music is canon

[wheat walrus]

bro think he

[last marlin]

i could see xeroc playing a harp, the most making sense instrument for him

[last marlin]

im gonna die of cringe

[cloud ibex]

(i have never played any sonic game i just felt like that was something shadow would say

[warm gull]

being annoying and fallacious and then saying you were just trolling really isn't a good look

[last marlin]

totally

[warm gull]

it just undermines your credibility for when you actually have a serious and defensible opinion

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-bored-hit-single-face-gif-13899189899077963492

[last marlin]

absolutely

[cosmic zenith]

Xeroc would play the biwa or a harp imo

[last marlin]

i was correct

[wheat walrus]

user Farshoosh618 user won.,.,, it's farshoover

[last marlin]

whats appeal to authority, and give an example

[last marlin]

?

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-lock-in-nah-id-win-amenathus-gif-1889648742143147519

[last marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/kumalala-kumalala-kumala-savesta-kumalala-kumala-savesta-thoms-gif-25640161

[warm gull]

I am not giving you an example of what a fallacy is

[wheat walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kumalala-kumalala-kumala-savesta-kumalala-kumala-savesta-lightskin-gif-25846295

[warm gull]

I'd assume you know

[wheat walrus]

anyways

[last marlin]

i didnt say that, but ok, thats fine

[wheat walrus]

talk about the lores

[last marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dveyz-snazzy-gif-25822782

[wheat walrus]

ten thousand calamities struck

[warm gull]

appeal to authority is a type of fallacy

[warm gull]

and some of them were said to kind of suck

[last marlin]

noway

[hoary berry]

do you remember what the result was for the calc you did on calamitas destroying ilmeris?

[wheat walrus]

5,8 Teratons

[last marlin]

its fine bro, you dont need to act like everybody's your enemy

irony

[cloud ibex]

what did the user mean by this

[warm gull]

which is why we've made the decision to hit them all with trucks

[lapis steppe]

[last marlin]

whats up with yall calling me user

dont i have pronouns?

js use he or him

[wheat walrus]

"user" is kind of a joke in this server

[warm gull]

and then we played some music and every one said "damn this music really fucks"

[wheat walrus]

basically people call each other "user" for the funsies

[cloud ibex]

idk chief i wasn't aware other people were doing it

[last marlin]

thought they were saying it to not misgender me

[cloud ibex]

i just talk like that

[last marlin]

also, if youre going to reply to me, enable tag, or dont if you dont feel like it

[warm gull]

and then they asked me to stop rhyming and I said "not if you gave me a million bucks"

[last marlin]

js wanting to point its not a problem for me

[last marlin]

are you writing lyrics or smth?

[wheat walrus]

at this point I do it by instinct to disable ping

[last marlin]

ok

[last marlin]

whats a moner and a huner

[cloud ibex]

monter huner..............

[wheat walrus]

corruption of monster hunter

[last marlin]

ok

[warm gull]

and then farshoosh user asked me what I'm doing and I didn't reply because he is a cu-

sorry that was out of pocket

my apologies

[last marlin]

and then i was like ''nah thats nothing'' and then i said hes a retard

\j

[wheat walrus]

wghat are you two doing

[last marlin]

not bothered at all

[warm gull]

I was rhyming

[visual kiln]

lore-discussion moment

iirc

[last marlin]

ong

[visual kiln]

no ur the lore discussion moment

[warm gull]

alright smart guy what do you think you're doing here

[last marlin]

also, are you the same ploo and you js keep changing your pfp or youre a different person

[warm gull]

also I feel like this word may be offensive to people

[visual kiln]

different users named ploo

[wheat walrus]

there's a terrible army of ploo

[warm gull]

probably shouldn't drop it in a public server

[cloud ibex]

there was a period of a few days where, like, ten different people changed their nicknames to ploo

azzy is the origin

[last marlin]

try a ps server

[cloud ibex]

(i believe)

[last marlin]

ah alr

[warm gull]

that time is now actually

[visual kiln]

🔫

become ploo

[cloud ibex]

no

[warm gull]

no

[visual kiln]

ok killing u both

c'mere

[warm gull]

you can't even change your nickname in this server

[cloud ibex]

you cannot kill me in a way that matters

[last marlin]

🔫

ploo ploo!

[visual kiln]

:3

my work here is done

[warm gull]

you have to be like "pwease mowdewatowwss pwease change my nickname🥺 "

[cloud ibex]

i can

i'm just that good

[last marlin]

i was trying to do it and it was blocked lol, so i had to change it in general

[visual kiln]

u can ping a mod

[last marlin]

change it rn then

[cloud ibex]

ok

[last marlin]

nah im good

[visual kiln]

@prisma grail

oh

um

[warm gull]

probably because you have the blue role

[cloud ibex]

no i'm just that good

[last marlin]

💀

[last marlin]

he fr did it

[wheat walrus]

this dude's ingame damage scales to glupshittingverse level and can solo Calamity Mod Lor because it broke my heart through the screen

how many Xerocs to break my heart through the screen

[mild obsidian]

cnidrion solos

[warm gull]

fatalis is not that smart

and I can prove it

[last marlin]

sans solos

[wheat walrus]

that's not fatalis

[warm gull]

I wasn't talking about the screenshot

[last marlin]

access code solos

[wheat walrus]

very obviously not fatalis

[warm gull]

I was simply bringing up a new topic without prompting

[last marlin]

i do that too lol

and ppl confuse it with smth else

[warm gull]

if fatalis is smart why'd he lose to a guy with a big ass weapon

duh

[last marlin]

the player?

[warm gull]

coulda just flyed away

smh

[cloud ibex]

more like fartalis

[last marlin]

fled*

[cloud ibex]

owned

[last marlin]

died of laughter

[wheat walrus]

as for Fatalis, while Safi'jiiva is the one that was stated to have intelligence beyond human beings, Fatalis is generally considered a threat beyond human comprehension in-universe (as well as generally being extremely unpredictable), and one of the series' directors Kaname Fujioka stated that Fatalis' principle of action is meant to be not pure destruction or malice, but "beyond comprehension", I think considering that Fatalis' entire motif is being a literal alien to the entire verse in every sense I think it's not that farfetched

so it's less about being very smart and more being so unpredictable it's beyond comprehension

[last marlin]

.

[warm gull]

I don't understand when characters who are supposed to be smarter than everyone else and still just lose

like the gravemind

except that one actually makes sense in deep lore

but regardless

[wheat walrus]

may I add if Fatalis was just about bringing destruction then it would've burned down the entire planet when it attacked Schrade, but it only chose to end that kingdom

[last marlin]

its basically cuz plot>anything

[graceful otter]

im smarter than a bear but im still gonna fucking lose to one

[magic epoch]

bear5

[wheat walrus]

I would win against freddy fnaf

[warm gull]

yeah but often times the smarter characters have more power and lose to the plot armor guy

they could have just not said the character was hyperintelligent

also

you wouldn't lose to a bear if you had a GUN

which is a demonstration of human intellect

aka intelligence

[magic epoch]

no you still could

it's not like the bear would die in one hit

[last marlin]

hes talking about a smart that can with his genius win.

but they dont

[warm gull]

if you shoot it through the noodle it would

[last marlin]

regardless

[graceful otter]

things dont die immediately

if that shit was charging at me id still be dead

[warm gull]

um

the brain

the noodle is a word for the brain

[graceful otter]

yea ik

its not like

it stops moving?

[warm gull]

if it was charging at you and it was like 1 foot away from you when you shot it it might hit you sure, but it would just be slamming into you

[last marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/when-your-team-too-good-ban-salt-bae-gif-7580925

[warm gull]

I guess its possible you could die

but probably not

unless you're tiny

and besides

just shoot it from further away

[wheat walrus]

it depends on the situation ig

[fierce pagoda]

Give me a friend and give both of us an automatic rifle and we take the bear

but on a good day I could take it alone

[warm gull]

I feel like if you shot a bear through the skull at almost any distance with any caliber it would die in less than 10 shots

tbf it might be hard to hit all your shots on the head

and at least one of those would probably go into the head

[wheat walrus]

if you give me the shotgun + holo scope combo from ark survival evolved I can assure you I'm vaporizing that bear

that shit is so busted against bosses lmao

especially rockwell tentacles

[warm gull]

ascendant pump shotty

[wheat walrus]

for real though

[warm gull]

200dmg per pellet

ain't gonna lie the assault rifle and pistol looked awful though

bethesda level gun design

[wheat walrus]

tek rifle...

[warm gull]

tek railgun ! !

[wheat walrus]

I remember watching Syntac have his entire giga army die against King Titan and have to go 400 meters into the air and destroy the king titan with the tek rifle for an hour straight

[warm gull]

yeah

ultimate ark

well not gigas

rexes and a yuty

[wheat walrus]

the series that died because Genesis part 1 was too hard for solo play

[warm gull]

gigas don't go into bossfights

remember

[wheat walrus]

king titan

king titan is not an arena

[warm gull]

oh

[warm gull]

I skimmed your message ngl

I assuemd you were talking about the overseer fight where he did the same thing

[wheat walrus]

you summon it in a gigantic arena-like area that is still in the world

ye he did the same with the overseer lol

can I say though

[warm gull]

ik

[wheat walrus]

the overseer ost is such a banger

[warm gull]

the overseer as a concept is such a banger

[wheat walrus]

true

https://youtu.be/AM138oXnDQI?si=Uq9x9YAqfY2fODBV&t=59 this extremely fast-paced part that starts with the timestamp I pinpointed

it's so good man

Gareth cooked

[warm gull]

gareth coker is goated

[wheat walrus]

so true

[warm gull]

I liked the aberration themes and the rockwell zone ones from gen 2

[hoary berry]

wow this is incredible

[solar wharf]

assuming you have both the accuracy and it isnt too far (some guns have little muzzle velocity), obviously things like .50 BMG rifles can get a bear from huge ranges, and military grade ARs would just mow down a bear without the need of actually aiming

ur only worry would just be adrenaline from the bear

[warm gull]

adrenaline when I shred the part of the brain the bear uses for motor functions:

[wheat walrus]

it be fr

this song makes me wish that if they get to the overseer fight in the animated series, they gotta do it justice

[warm gull]

me when I see somebody come up with a cool concept and then get angry because in my hubris I think I could do it better

[solar wharf]

you can probably still take down a bear with relative ease using .223 rem, a civilian issued ammo for guns

[warm gull]

the tracks are called rockwell's proliferation

they're on the gen 2 soundtrack

sound tron legacyish to me

[wheat walrus]

yeah I've heard them

[graceful otter]

A creation of the Nature Elemental, Silva, from long ago. It perfectly mimics her wrath.```
guh

idk wat to do

i thought i knew wat i was doing but i infact did not

[wanton tusk]

no

bad

[graceful otter]

wdym no

[wanton tusk]

Vinewrath Bane?

[graceful otter]

yea, spirit boss

[wanton tusk]

As in the Spirit Mod one?

This guy?

[graceful otter]

yes

[wanton tusk]

Why is Silva in the Spirit Mod.

[graceful otter]

no actually, theres a different vinewrath bane boss in spirit mod

[cloud ibex]

is this like

lore item or bestiary

[graceful otter]

because im bored and decided to make lore items for spirit bosses

[graceful otter]

yharim lore item

more yharim propaganda against elementals and gods

🗣️ 🔥

[wanton tusk]

Okay I'm sorry but the Briar being related to Silva annoys me so irrationally much.

[cloud ibex]

he could say some bullshit about how even if an elemental appears kind, their kindly exterior hides a boundless sense of malevolence only revealed to the outer world if anyone dares so much as threaten their domains

[graceful otter]

why

[wanton tusk]

I have no idea.

Or more

the Briar being created by Silva.

If it was worshippers or summat

that might be cool

anyway I have no clue what I'm talking about, carry on.

[graceful otter]

briars a big nothing burger anyway

its literally just "ooh look thorny stuff"

im not even joking, nearly all the stuff is related to plants having thorns

[wanton tusk]

Yeah I know.

My headcanon has always been that it was like some cult or summat that somehow managed to mess up the ecology of the area that they resided in.

Rather than actual divine interference or whatever.

This basically just boils down to brain instinctively annoyed by person not agreeing with 100% subjective opinion.

[graceful otter]

crying and sobbing right now

this is just sulphurous sea all over again

[thick slate]

omg

[graceful otter]

"look its full of sulphur did you know it has sulphur"

[thick slate]

spirit mod mentioned

peak

!!

[wanton tusk]

REAL

[graceful otter]

ok but why does infernons sprite go so hard

it was made in 2021 not 2024

[thick slate]

i cannot wait for hardmode rework

its like my only motivation to play terraria

[graceful otter]

(3 years is a lot in tmod community)

[magic epoch]

send it

[wanton tusk]

So real.

[magic epoch]

you piqued my interest

(i haven't played spirit before)

[graceful otter]

https://spiritmod.wiki.gg/images/3/31/Infernon.gif

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/true-successfully-deployed-get-this-man-a-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-gif-17551062976351461149

[graceful otter]

🐌

[magic epoch]

yeah this goes hard

[wanton tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138960073440374795/1228010392295313458/sad_asd.png?ex=662a7ccc&is=661807cc&hm=ae4d4743e9aab134f6952c7bec5cac776db8fc6af27c3d32b1de1d029a0fa7e5&

[magic epoch]

reminds me of pokemon

for some reason

[runic bluff]

if Yharim is the one speaking in the lore items, why does he refer to himself in third person in the Leviathan and Anahita lore item?

[thick slate]

god complex or smth

[graceful otter]

yharon and yharim arent the same

[thick slate]

how do you remember the lore item

[runic bluff]

my bad I meant the guy who kills gods

[graceful otter]

ive read through yharims lore items like 14 times

[random mulch]

yharim is the god killing guy, yharon is the dragon

[graceful otter]

and that isnt even exaggeration

[thick slate]

honesstly based

[graceful otter]

ive fucking STUDIED how this man talks

[runic bluff]

I defeated her recently

[thick slate]

he is talking about his dragon friend

[graceful otter]

yes

[runic bluff]

Ohh

I’m dumb

[thick slate]

with a similar name

[graceful otter]

"Such stalwart loyalty, it reminds me of Yharon!"

[thick slate]

wrong

"Such stalwart loyalty! it reminds me of Yharon!"

[graceful otter]

how close was i

FUCK YOU

[thick slate]

exclame

[runic bluff]

Alright

[graceful otter]

actually YOURE wrong

its Such stalwart loyalty! It reminds me of Yharon.

bitc h

[magic epoch]

noob

[real silo]

semantic battle

[magic epoch]

can you write yharon lore item if yharim actually hated him

[graceful otter]

uhh

[runic bluff]

What?

[magic epoch]

free commission

[graceful otter]

well i kinda would need some sort of premise

like

why would he hate him

what had happened to this yharim that makes him dislike the dragons

[runic bluff]

Yharim loves bees and dragons

[magic epoch]

not dislike the dragons, just yharon specifically
mostly bc yharon cheats at chess

[graceful otter]

[magic epoch]

this is dumb don't do it

this is a bad bit

sending randon image

[graceful otter]

what the fuck is that

[runic bluff]

Wth are you on about

[magic epoch]

xb-infinity sign hekate

[graceful otter]

@manic coral can i get a degree in yharimicism

ive studied long and hard

[magic epoch]

why do you have a 🔔z

[graceful otter]

silent ping

[real silo]

that's not how you get degrees stupid

[magic epoch]

how does that work im nsmarr

[graceful otter]

it does the cool yellow message and gives a (1) in the server, but it doesnt send a push notification

[magic epoch]

t

[graceful otter]

A creation from long ago, intended to imitate the Nature Elemental, Silva, after she had dissapeared from the surface world.```
@wanton tusk how about this

[graceful otter]

its like earth elemental but for silva

[spring helm]

Belongs in the garden

[crimson finch]

Wait what’s the B stand for

Blight

[spring helm]

The garden

Of sinners

[spring helm]

What B?

[crimson finch]

This

[spring helm]

Blade I guess

[crimson finch]

But it isn’t ending with ight

Preposterous

[spring helm]

I don’t remember the naming convention

[crimson finch]

X for Exotic

[spare pier]

Blight

[crimson finch]

Then the Soul of the boss it’s resembling

[spare pier]

The B is for Blight

To reference Ocram

[crimson finch]

So cool

[spring helm]

Okay then we’ve got our answer

[crimson finch]

I’m so smArt

[spring helm]

Thank you bosslady

[crimson finch]

Me so smart my brain don’t fart

[wheat walrus]

silva something

[crimson finch]

Thanks Rebecca

Wait

What was Hypnos again?

Lemme see

[wheat walrus]

a joke thing iirc

:3

[crimson finch]

No the Exo Name

Found it

XP-00

Probably Plight

[buoyant perch]

calamity lore is more complex than W.E physics

smh

[stark basalt]

I wanna discuss some lore

Some actual lore

[graceful otter]

lihzahrd dynasty

[stark basalt]

I’m not gonna say anything stupid today

[graceful otter]

discuss

[stark basalt]

What’s up with those lihzahrds?

Those guys are crazy

How did they get underground?

[graceful otter]

uhh well they kinda had to

surface used to be dangerous

[stark basalt]

I mean

They’re pretty strong for basic enemies

You’d think that they could deal with surface jungle enemies

[graceful otter]

every civilisation was underground for a reason

:)

[stark basalt]

Isn’t the desert just the desert cuz illmeris got scorched tho?

Like that goes all the way up

[buoyant inlet]

desert always was desert

[stark basalt]

I thought that was like totally burned from Calamitas doing a funny fire move

[buoyant inlet]

The underground desert, sure

it was a part of Ilmeran sea

But have you seen the surface desert

does it look like a sea ​​trench to you

[stark basalt]

You never know

[graceful otter]

it alr has desert life alr living there

like cacti and antlions

[crimson finch]

My favorite plant is cactus

It tastes like sharp

[stark basalt]

Shark thingies during sandstorms

[spring helm]

lore

discuss lore

im still hung up on the weather patterns guys

why does the sun move in the opposite direction

why does it rise in the west

so was the ilmeran sea an inland sea

[graceful otter]

terraria built different

[graceful otter]

underground water cave system would be best to call it

[spring helm]

no surface exposure pre-calamitas?

[graceful otter]

correct, it was covered by a desert

[spring helm]

hm...

[graceful otter]

like the other deserts u see ingame

[buoyant inlet]

at best small flooded holes that looked like puddles from the surface

[stark basalt]

I’m under the assumption that it was saltwater

[buoyant inlet]

and it's a maybe

[stark basalt]

Based on the species in the sea

[spring helm]

i'm assuming it was saltwater because it's called a sea and not a lake

[buoyant inlet]

caves usually have a lot of salt so it'd make sense

[spring helm]

so the incineration pushed the already underground sea deeper, not turn a surface sea into a desert

[stark basalt]

Sunken sea update better give me more LORE

[graceful otter]

no, it just evaporated the water

[buoyant inlet]

it will actually remove big piece of the lore from game

[stark basalt]

Wait what

[spring helm]

just delete the entire biome

[buoyant inlet]

no new lore for lore droplets

lorers stay loosing

[stark basalt]

Oh no it’s gotta be big lore

[spring helm]

if there was an entire sea of water under the desert pre-incineration, then would it be possible that the desert used to be more rich with vegetation?

kinda like the sahara 20,000 years ago before the earth's axis tilted, causing the climate in the region to be dryer

or was the water too salty for most plants to grow in anyway

[stark basalt]

It could have been marshy

Or like a bay situation

Maybe the water would be more brackish once it reached towards the surface

[spring helm]

true

[graceful otter]

i looked it up and it seems aquifers have freshwater

which sunken sea is

[spring helm]

but then the great sand shark being there wouldn't really make much sense

[stark basalt]

Bull sharks can technically live in fresh water areas

But jellyfish?

[graceful otter]

freshwater jellyfish exist iirc

wait

[spring helm]

some sharks can live in freshwater
i'm just saying it wouldn't have been called a Great Sand Shark if the area wasn't sandy only like 10 years before the game starts

[graceful otter]

@pliant ruin ur a nerd for creatures right

do freshwater jellyfish exist

[spring helm]

i mean some probably could

they're very simple animals

[stark basalt]

They’re only the size of Pennys

Quick google search

[graceful otter]

tbf calamity isnt like

the natural world

[wheat walrus]

Monster Hunter

[graceful otter]

it has mana, and that clearly affects living creatures

[spring helm]

real

wait

no not real, they're fictional

[graceful otter]

[wheat walrus]

Mana is stored in the balls in the balls

[graceful otter]

true!!

[spring helm]

okay then, how does mana affect living creatures

and their adaptations

[graceful otter]

u think ilmerans are natural evolution?

[stark basalt]

Well hold on

Are we actually gonna try and get into this?

Cuz we have draedon logs

And bestiary entries

[spring helm]

Bring out the logs

[stark basalt]

Let’s do thisssss

[graceful otter]

actually wait

iirc, either it was an ilmeran weapon or one of the bestiary entries

but it was the bestiary narrator that said

that the ilmeran creatures who arent ilmerans are "less intelligent siblings" or smthn like that

does this imply that ilmerans evolved from those creatures into humanoids

rather than humanoids evolving sea creature parts

[spring helm]

Or they could be related to a common ancestor like humans and other extant primates

[graceful otter]

dont ask how i vividly remember this line of text

ive read the lore doc too many times

[stark basalt]

The sea floaty has something interesting in its bestiary entry