maybe meowscarada cuz hehe kibty
#lore-discussion
pliant ruin
mighty zenith
i usually like water starters most but skeledirge is awesome
but all gen 9 starters are great
pliant ruin
didnt ppl hate him cuz they thought he was going to be spinosaurus or something
crimson finch
My starter trio is Blastoise, Chesnaught, & Dirge
pliant ruin
whats up with that
wheat walrus
Crocgator
pliant ruin
like hes a cool fire crocodile why do u hate him
were u expecting a dragon or a dinosaur or something
fuecoco isnt a dinosaur its a crocodile
crimson finch
I picked dirge and murdered everyone
pliant ruin
so obviously not true
pliant ruin
skeledirge killed the theory entirely cuz
the dragon
already happened
yk
charizard
so people were like
CLEARLY
HES THE OX
mighty zenith
yea
pliant ruin
BECAUSE UHH
crimson finch
Fox ≠ Dog
wheat walrus
Why is literally just Pokémon being discussed in my lore discussion for the 28282882828282829292929th time (of all the ones I've seen it happen)
crimson finch
Cause pokemon is cool
pliant ruin
would you prefer if we discussed monster hunter instead
mighty zenith
becasue pomkmeon
wheat walrus
would you prefer if we discussed monster hunter instead
Nu
mighty zenith
you discuss mh here like half the time anyway,,,
crimson finch
Whats monster hunter
pliant ruin
it's game where you hunt monsters as a hunter of monsters because you're a monster hunter
anyways
wheat walrus
you discuss mh here like half the time anyway,,,
When was the last time you saw me start an entire convo about that though
crimson finch
Cool, thanks
wheat walrus
Anyways
mighty zenith
i pray to god meganium gets a new form in legends Z-A
pliant ruin
When was the last time you saw me start an entire convo about that though
tbh idc about offtopic convos as long as they're actually enjoyable conversations that arent obnoxious + theyre not actively interrupting on-topic convos
thats just how i see it tho
like
mighty zenith
because by god that line got done so dirty
pliant ruin
if nobody is using the lore channel for lore its nbd right
wheat walrus
tbh idc about offtopic convos as long as they're actually enjoyable conversation...
I get that
crimson finch
I want Mega Blastoise Y & Mega Venusaur Y
mighty zenith
true
wheat walrus
I want Mega Blastoise Y & Mega Venusaur Y
Fr tho
mighty zenith
i like the concept of X and Y forms
pliant ruin
even when i moderated discords i followed that philosophy
offtopic only bad if ppl wanna use channel for The Topic but ppl r being Not On The Topic
if nobody using it properly then idc
mighty zenith
aka "the predictable mega" and "the gimmicky mega"
crimson finch
And Megas for the Kalos starters too
The frog did not deserve the special treatment
mighty zenith
so for charizard it was the fire abusing special attacker and the dragon he always wanted to be
pliant ruin
mega mewtwo y is kind of baller but like
wheat walrus
Mega Mewtwo Y goes hard
mighty zenith
and for mewtwo it was the expected special attacker and the weird physical attacker
pliant ruin
he's just kind of weird now
scenic yacht
mighty zenith
like if mega mewtwo was just the X form i'd be disappointed
pliant ruin
in general
mewtwo isnt
one of my favorites
i think it's cool
butr i also think it's
nowhere near the best legends
but i respect its weird alien fetus design
wheat walrus
Necrozma 🗣️
mighty zenith
I think it's awesome for it's time
pliant ruin
Worse
mighty zenith
mewtwo y is more connected to mew
pliant ruin
its the same concept but without the restrictions of gen 1 simplicity
mighty zenith
which is poggies
scenic yacht
Is y the not buff one
pliant ruin
Necrozma 🗣️
i like necrozma
mighty zenith
no thats x
wheat walrus
Mewing
mighty zenith
x is the buff one
scenic yacht
no thats x
Ah
crimson finch
I like the fetal looking Mewtwo
pliant ruin
but thats cuz im biased to deoxys i love him
scenic yacht
x is the buff one
I said not buff one
pliant ruin
i feel like necrozma is probs like the most well designed maybe but idc i love deoxys
crimson finch
Deoxys I love them so muchhhh
scenic yacht
pliant ruin
deoxys is just...mmmm
something about its design
the way its one of those pokemon we just
dont know anythinga bout
it's quite literally a alien, but also it's alien in the sense we know nothing
mighty zenith
deoxys was 1000% made better for me thanks to its theme
PLEASE LISTEN TO HIS THEME
ITS A BANGER
scenic yacht
Space critter
pliant ruin
deoxys theme is one of my favorite soundtracks in the franchise
scenic yacht
I honestly forgor what its theme is
crimson finch
what’s ur guys favorite UB?
mighty zenith
the fact that it was LITERALLY LOCKED OFF FOR A DECADE is sad
mighty zenith
ORAS making deoxys accessible was so cool
pliant ruin
one of the few pokemon that's unarguably "Evil"
like
yk the meteor deoxys was in
i like the idea that
mighty zenith
i wish they included mythicals in plot lines more often
scenic yacht
ORAS making deoxys accessible was so cool
Yuh
mighty zenith
like i hope the gen 5 remakes give the mythicals their own plot lines
genesect especially
pliant ruin
i love deoxys as this fucked up alien creature that if not caught or defeated would probably be a massive threat
crimson finch
Xurkitree is the best Ultra Beast fight me
pliant ruin
whenever deoxys is depicted as a incredibly agressive creature like in that one pokemon legends? origins? episode
i love it
scenic yacht
Didnt gen 5 already get remakes
mighty zenith
i'm a big nihilego fan
crimson finch
I’ll accept two other choices
scenic yacht
Or is there more coming
crimson finch
Triangle
pliant ruin
i love when hes portrayed as the fucking Creepy Alien Thing
he just fits so well that role more than the goofy friendly critter most pokemon tend to be
mighty zenith
Again, ORAS made deoxys feel like an actual threat
it just didnt' really go anywhere after the fight
it focused more on rayquaza, which is fine
pliant ruin
also yeah genesect should get the deoxys treatment
mighty zenith
i just wish deoxys got more time in the spotlight
pliant ruin
it just didnt' really go anywhere after the fight
tbh i kind of like that in a way -
like
it adds to the alien feel
it just
shows up
no explanation
go fight it
mighty zenith
yeah thats fair
pliant ruin
genesect is a banger design
but it dosent do anything cuz its a event locked mythical lo
mighty zenith
Genesect is probably my favorite mythical
pliant ruin
kyurem needs expansion too i feel
cuz
even with
b2/w2
ktyurem is just
there's alot of questions about it
scenic yacht
The dragons of unova were a cool story thing
pliant ruin
its not a theory tbh but still
ik how kyurem is a ice type right
and hes got like
ice all over him and stuff
and hes the 3rd fragment of the original unova dragon
pliant ruin
i love the idea that this is meant to represent that since kyurem is basically like
the body/husk of the original dragon
mighty zenith
I think that's the idea yeah
pliant ruin
it's frozen over cuz it's got no body warmth due to more or less being "dead" so it started freezing over
mighty zenith
The truth and ideals were taken away, removing all that's left of a living, thinking being
graceful otter
wat if unova legends made a fourth extremely op pokemon
crimson finch
Womp Womp
graceful otter
like
mighty zenith
so there's nothing more than a cold, imperfect husk
crimson finch
Kyurem is just like Yharim lmao
pliant ruin
The truth and ideals were taken away, removing all that's left of a living, thin...
also wouldn't this imply that like
or well
graceful otter
extremely op like mega rayquaza, ultra necrozma and eternamax eternatus
pliant ruin
it could imply that
graceful otter
original dragon
yes
scenic yacht
Unova was like peak, white was one of the first pokemon games i played
crimson finch
I wish Eternamax was Useable
crimson finch
I love Eternatus
graceful otter
I wish Eternamax was Useable
Die.
mighty zenith
I wish Eternamax was Useable
shrimply play pokerogue
mighty zenith
kyurem could easily be portrayed as a more malicious pokemon
it's kinda potrayed as cruel
since it
eats people
crimson finch
😋
mighty zenith
but in bw2 its mostly ghetsis that makes it seem evil
scenic yacht
The muncher
pliant ruin
STAB THE CHILD
pliant ruin
but in bw2 its mostly ghetsis that makes it seem evil
see this is kind of a gripe i have w alot of pokemon
like
dont get me wrong
ghetsis, banger villain, fucking awesome
but
i wish we got more
of pokemon themselves being malicious sometimes - specifically legendaries n stuff like that
mighty zenith
oh i absolutely agree
crimson finch
Because of a certain someone Ghetsis in my head sounds like Plankton from SpongeBob
pliant ruin
like
mighty zenith
in the games it's almost always from a trainer's influence
pliant ruin
it dosent work too well for like random wild pokemon to be malicious most of the time
but
legendaries r usually like
gods or nature spirits or other powerful otherworldly beings
do u really think ALL of them will be chill like that
eager bluff
they're apathetic at best
crimson finch
Eternatus is my lil baby man
pliant ruin
like cmon giratina is like fucking god of the underworld cant she be a little mean atleast
crimson finch
I love poison dragon skeleton
graceful otter
shows up
makes several pokemon large
fights some dogs
leaves for a few hundred years
eager bluff
groudon and kyogre may have been woken up by humanity but them fighting each other was gonna happen eventually regardless of if team magma and aqua woke them up then
crimson finch
Makes the guitar lizard big for one specific day
pliant ruin
also giratina is a she in my eyes forgot to say that
don't @ me becasue you can't change my opinion
pliant ruin
groudon and kyogre may have been woken up by humanity but them fighting each oth...
see groundon and kyogre r cool in this regard cuz
crimson finch
I see Palkia as the female of the group for some reason
pliant ruin
they feel like they have more of a personality thats not just there cuz of trainers
like
crimson finch
Oh god female sounds so weird to say
pliant ruin
groundon and kyogre being petty bastards who hate eachother is rly good characterization
crimson finch
I sound like a redditor
eager bluff
groundon and kyogre being petty bastards who hate eachother is rly good characte...
its not even petty its just nature
mighty zenith
mewtwo - team rocket being fucked up
groudon, kyogre - ok they're kinda fucked up but it's also mostly shown as archie/maxie's fault
giratina - cyrus or volo using it
kyurem - ghetsis using it
xerneas/yveltal - lysandre using it
ultra beasts - lusamine
necrozma - "greedy humans raaah!!"
eternatus - i mean he's a pretty big dickhead but most of the blame is put on rose
paradoxes - the AI professors
eager bluff
they're competing species of course they're gonna fight
mighty zenith
like pretty much all of them have the blame shifted on humans
pliant ruin
when you humanize those traits in the form of big elder spirits or whtaever
they're petty now cuz they are just like
MORE LAND!!
NO FUCK YOU
MORE WATER!!!
i love stuff like taht tbh
crimson finch
I don’t think the Bully Mirai/Koraidons were bullies due to the Professors
pliant ruin
i wish pokemon characterized their legendaries like it more
crimson finch
I just think they’re assholes
pliant ruin
makes them feel more like actual mythological figures and make them more memorable
graceful otter
mewtwo - team rocket being fucked up
groudon, kyogre - ok they're kinda fucked u...
i get ur point is that humans are often to blame for this when they shouldnt be
mighty zenith
I don’t think the Bully Mirai/Koraidons were bullies due to the Professors
the professors wanted to bring the paradoxes into the main timeline so they'd destroy the world basically
pliant ruin
theres a reason kyogre and groundon hating eachother is such a iconic part of pokemon culture
graceful otter
BUT FOR XERNEAS AND YVELTAL IT LITERALLY WAS THE HUMANS FAULT
pliant ruin
cuz its one of the few times we get like
graceful otter
they just out here chilling
crimson finch
Yvelta is so puppy
graceful otter
doing their day job
mighty zenith
BUT FOR XERNEAS AND YVELTAL IT LITERALLY WAS THE HUMANS FAULT
i mean yeah im just saying, the blame is either the humans or put on the humans
crimson finch
All of the evil legendaries are so scrunkly
graceful otter
and then lysandre just fucks em over so that he can kill people
pliant ruin
actual characterization for pokemon themselves and conflict cvaused basically entirely by pokemon instead of trainers
mighty zenith
lysandre is a dickhead
eager bluff
BUT FOR XERNEAS AND YVELTAL IT LITERALLY WAS THE HUMANS FAULT
yveltal was gonna have to do it eventually without lysandre dont forget that
mighty zenith
yveltal was gonna have to do it eventually without lysandre dont forget that
yeah but lysandre wanted to kill everyone except himself
so he's still a bitch
graceful otter
yveltal was gonna have to do it eventually without lysandre dont forget that
yes but hes not meant to be the "i am death so i must kill all" he is "i am death because that is my job"
mighty zenith
yveltal is literally just doing what it does
eager bluff
exactly thats what i like about it
eager bluff
its just really powerful without any ulterior motives
hushed geyser
mighty zenith
it's not his fault he's the pokemon version of the grim reaper
crimson finch
This went from favorite Pokémon to why people are the problem in the world
eager bluff
makes me sad when ppl call yveltal evil
it doesnt help with the design
crimson finch
I love it
eager bluff
yveltals design does not help it
crimson finch
pliant ruin
erm giratina is not the devil shes A GOOD GUY....
crimson finch
Silly Stats
pliant ruin
okay number one
mighty zenith
wasn't giratina locked up in the distortion because it was an asshole
crimson finch
Yeah
eager bluff
yes
graceful otter
wasn't giratina locked up in the distortion because it was an asshole
mhm
crimson finch
So real for that
eager bluff
it tried to destroy the universe so arceus said fuck you
pliant ruin
she was a asshole
crimson finch
Distortion?!?!?(
pliant ruin
makle her meaner
crimson finch
CALAMITY REFEREXNE?!?!?&,&/&.9/‘akama
pliant ruin
stop going
"erm shes benevolnt!!" I DON CARE MAKE HER A BITCH!!!
MAKE HER KILL PEOPLE
graceful otter
also holy shit i just found out yveltals stats
what is limiting this mf from being op as hell
mighty zenith
i genuinely believe legends arceus would've been better if giratina wasn't influenced by anyone
graceful otter
is it moveset
crimson finch
Oblivion wing heals
eager bluff
"erm shes benevolnt!!" I DON CARE MAKE HER A BITCH!!!
thing is she isnt benevolent
crimson finch
That’s it’s signiture move (:
mighty zenith
yeah i was bout to say
oblivion wing is fucking stupid
languid badge
also holy shit i just found out yveltals stats
me when the legendary pokemon has good stats
pliant ruin
thing is she isnt benevolent
ya i think shes like
neutral
but
ppl treat her like. OMG STOP SAYING SHES THE DEVIL SHES GOOD!!! shuddup
graceful otter
giratina is literally textbook "fuck around and find out"
crimson finch
I embrace Giratinas evilness
pliant ruin
my favorite interpretation of giratina
is
man on the internet giratina theme with lyrics
cuz shes just like
eager bluff
shes not evil or benevolent in terms of morals iirc but in terms of actions she is horrific
graceful otter
giratina is literally textbook "fuck around and find out"
like
mighty zenith
man on the internet giratina theme with lyrics
BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED
crimson finch
Giratina is horrifying
crimson finch
pliant ruin
incredibly chaotic and destructive, maybe not outright ''i wanna kill everyone" evil but also shes definitely still destructive and massively vengeful
mighty zenith
i like their kyurem black take
wheat walrus
Giratina VS DoG
mighty zenith
it does lean into the "humans bad" thing
mighty zenith
but it also shows kyurem itself being fucking PISSED
languid badge
do I even wanna know why pokemon got brought up in lore discussion
pliant ruin
pipeline
crimson finch
Giratina VS DoG <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
DoG gets FUCKING OBLITERATED, NO CHANCE
graceful otter
if ur talking moti characterisations on pokemon, then check xerneas and yveltal theme
wheat walrus
do I even wanna know why pokemon got brought up in lore discussion
Society
pliant ruin
we should to general i think
crimson finch
DoG would cry like a bitch
wheat walrus
DoG gets FUCKING OBLITERATED, NO CHANCE
Definitely
pliant ruin
i think atp it might be to much
mighty zenith
if ur talking moti characterisations on pokemon, then check xerneas and yveltal ...
groudon and kyogre too
mighty zenith
the kyogre voice is so perfect
pliant ruin
except maybe xeroc idk
graceful otter
groudon and kyogre too
"fuck you"
fuck you too
"nuh uh fuck you"
pliant ruin
probably also xeroc honestly
crimson finch
No Xeroc gets wiped
wheat walrus
Xeroc gets annihilated
crimson finch
We may not know anything but Xeroc gets wiped
pliant ruin
a GOD god not a god only in name
graceful otter
also
graceful otter
yknow how dialga and palkia are time and space respectively
wheat walrus
Country Level VS Universe Level at least
pliant ruin
its like
mighty zenith
like those things LITERALLY CONTROL THE UNIVERSE
graceful otter
what do yall think giratina is based on
pliant ruin
when ppl go
crimson finch
True Arceus solos every verse
mighty zenith
what do yall think giratina is based on
anti-matter
languid badge
what do yall think giratina is based on
creature
pliant ruin
''devourer of god eats gods!! hes universe eater!!" or something
mighty zenith
i think that's canon?
graceful otter
i think that's canon?
no
mighty zenith
or at least a very good headcanon
graceful otter
its never stated
pliant ruin
they dont realize not all gods are ominpotent super powerful entities or whatever
but like
crimson finch
what do yall think giratina is based on
Gravity or Anti-Matter
pliant ruin
giratina IS one of those super powerful omnipotent entities they think the calamity gods are
wheat walrus
Devourer of town level gods 😭
crimson finch
Like Giratina isn’t omnipotent but Jesus Christ you’ll wish they were
wheat walrus
Mepotent
crimson finch
pliant ruin
btw moti giratina is one of the two main reasons my brain cannot see giratina as anything other than a she
the other is
crimson finch
Giratina could solo most verses
pliant ruin
a gjinka giratina design i saw some time back that i really liked
so now its just
yep giratina is a girl. you cant convince me otherwise
crimson finch
I think personally believe Deoxys is a girl
crimson finch
Funny noodle alien lady is funnier than Funny noodle alien dude
pliant ruin
i refer to alot of things as just The Fucker
crimson finch
That’ll change the implications vastly
wheat walrus
Never refer to anything as just “The Fucker”
The Great Fucker
crimson finch
pliant ruin
the implications are only there because your brain is putrid
sand ocean
Add evil at least
im not
pliant ruin
mine is clean and washed
crimson finch
mine is clean and washed
It’s not dirty to assume “The Fucker” is dirty
wheat walrus
sand ocean
can you guys move to #1158083138015199252
graceful otter
can you guys move to <#1158083138015199252>
# unknown
crimson finch
Sure thing chicken wing
wheat walrus
\# *unknown*
Is that Monster Hunter Frontier reference
sand ocean
why are you talking about pokemon in the calamity mod lore discussion channel and have not joined the pokemon server
pliant ruin
they call to me
wheat walrus
why are you talking about pokemon in the calamity mod lore discussion channel an...
🗣️
pliant ruin
discord plugin that changes any #unknown channel links to #the_distortion
wheat walrus
How many DoGs to beat Xeroc
pliant ruin
joe many devourers does it take to defeat a Ze Rock? NONE!!! their too busy ???? their noxus 😂
graceful otter
How many DoGs to beat Xeroc
idk like 6
crimson finch
languid badge
if yharon took like 3 pounds of cocane he could probably kill noxus
crimson finch
He does that anyway
forest knot
Would it be plausible to use pyre mantle blocks for a volcano build
sinful adder
Absolutely? Why wouldn't it?
sinful adder
Pyre mantle isn't a real thing but it looks a bit like an exposed lava flow
forest knot
I’m putting the volcano in my sulp sea, and I’m really paining the task of creating a volcanic cavern connecting to the pyre mantle layer of the abyss
Also, what are the chances of the Magnapinna squid being added as an abyss enemy?
I would probably visit the abyss less
real silo
Submit that to the critter contest
crimson finch
The bogo binter
real silo
Oh wait!
You can't submit real life creatures
crimson finch
I’m going to submit you into the contest
real silo
I'm already in the game you don't need to do that
buoyant inlet
To be completely fair
It's old photos and lighting that makes it look scary
There are more modern videos where it looks pretty majestic
buoyant inlet
scenic olive
Oh wait!
You can't submit real life creatures <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
Bobbit worms :
calm patio
thats a calamity mod enemy. not vanities
scenic olive
pliant ruin
Also, what are the chances of the *Magnapinna squid* being added as an abyss ene...
bigfin squid my beloved
its funny that they look so scary yet are like with 99% certainty probably filter feeders
and even if they were predators i doubt they'd be theoretically harmful if you somehow found one because look at those tentacles 😭
pliant ruin
https://youtu.be/SY7_758qUk4?si=nXrF2xve8XO-4gaU
https://youtu.be/GxwdZl63ZTo?si...
ya i love em
i love whenever things like monterey bay aquarium do those like live underwater cam streams cuz it's so cool when ur actually one of the first people on the world to catch sight of a new species or smth similar 😭
like. imagine being able to go up to someone on discord and say
hey did you know i was one of the first people in the world to see a bigfin squid
real silo
bigfin squid my beloved
If you love them so m
real silo
Why is it called bigfin if the tentacles are way bigger
real silo
Stupid science hippies
real silo
You're brasilia ⁉️
pliant ruin
ye
real silo
Understandable
buoyant inlet
Is everyone in this community from Brazil
real silo
Well are you from brasil
buoyant inlet
No
real silo
Damn
buoyant inlet
But that would be very funny if I was
real silo
Why aren't you
buoyant inlet
The gods knew I would be too powerful
crimson finch
California is a continent right?
buoyant inlet
Nah it's a dwarf planet
crimson finch
Maybe there is so many Brazil fans cause they have the sword of the Brazilian Samurai as a Post DoG weapon
real silo
Ew
pliant ruin
my favorite brazilian is ME
crimson finch
Good self confidence champ
crimson finch
Who’s my third uhhhhw
real silo
actually this is not true my favourite brazillian is not in this server
crimson finch
That one Chocolate bar with the blue hair and red hat that sings
From that Nestles ad
earnest flare
my favorite brazillian is jesus because hes in brazil i think
earnest flare
ok but what if i bribed yharim with bees
i can also just throw beenades at yharim and he would eventually die because yharim would never hurt a bee
real silo
That can be arranged
Yharim is already 60% bee
his auric is yellow and the exotech under it is black
Literally bee armor
real silo
Yharim should wear bee wings
And his sword should be a stinger
This idea actually goes hard ngl
earnest flare
anyways a really cool powerscaling thing that nobody has ever touched on is literally just using the chunk taken out from the jungle lab as the strength of one of his full strength punches
real silo
Yharim uses a venomous rapier against gods
earnest flare
anyways a really cool powerscaling thing that nobody has ever touched on is lite...
(he punches with the force of dynamite, basically)
buoyant inlet
Besides Cheese I know at least 4 other Brazilians and 3 of them are cal devs
visual kiln
brazil
pliant ruin
my favorite brazillian is jesus because hes in brazil i think
ya
he is
he t poses here
earnest flare
hes really based for t posing for very long
it takes a lot of arm strength to do that...
scenic yacht
sinful adder
Hold on
crimson finch
https://tenor.com/view/nikocado-avocado-mental-breakdown-mukbang-rage-angry-food-eating-gif-17940312
Hi chat
Bye chat
sinful adder
Why does yharim have exo tech if he broke up with Draedon ages ago
crimson finch
He asked him cause he got beat up by everyone’s favorite Calamity Couple
sinful adder
Exo tech seems like a recent thing, while yharim hating Draedon seems like it happened a while ago
hoary berry
He sought out draedon about a year before our journey because he was sad and needed therapy
pliant ruin
Why does yharim have exo tech if he broke up with Draedon ages ago
after statis and braelor beat him up he went back to draedon, likely out of desperation
crimson finch
Hah
hoary berry
Got cool armour as a bonus
sinful adder
after statis and braelor beat him up he went back to draedon, likely out of desp...
Do we know this?
sinful adder
Huh
pliant ruin
statis and braelor almost killed him
he would've probably died if it wasn't for DoG, so in a moment of desperation he sought Draedon, long after they had cut ties
sinful adder
I see
hoary berry
"Dueled me to a standstill" meanwhile nearly dies
sinful adder
Known liar yharim at it again
spring helm
the timeline is shorter than you would expect
considering that Calamitas' power was part of the reason Draedon began developing the plague, at most he would have started working on nanotechnology 20 years before the game starts
If we assume that Calamitas took a few years to gain enough strength to outmatch Draedon’s machines at the time, perhaps 10-15 years would be more reasonable
Not to mention the time it would have taken for his research to culminate in the Plaguebringer Goliath
So Yharim might have come crawling back to Draedon for an upgrade to his armour not even ten years after their violent breakup
cosmic zenith
Yharim uses a venomous rapier against gods
Demon Slayer
hoary berry
all auric dragons are dead besides yharon, not "dragons" in general, as that could arguably include offshoots like the follies or fishrons
but afaik OOA isn't canon anyway?
inland sandal
all auric dragons are dead besides yharon, not "dragons" in general, as that cou...
Ohhhhh ok
inland sandal
but afaik OOA isn't canon anyway?
Heh? Was that english?
inland sandal
Afaik?
hoary berry
afaik = as far as i know
inland sandal
Ohhhhh
hoary berry
as in, i'm not sure, but i think so
inland sandal
Thank you
hoary berry
np
inland sandal
That makes sense then
inland sandal
but afaik OOA isn't canon anyway?
I don't think it is. I was just wondering if Calamity had an explanation for it
Also
Why do they keep changing Deus lore
Is he still considered the God of the stars?!
calm patio
no deus isnt a god
woeful patio
Is he still considered the God of the stars?!
He is considered a god because he was worshipped
calm patio
its worshipped as one however
cloud ibex
not an actual god, people just think he is
now that i think of it how does yharim know deus isn't a god
hoary berry
yharon can probably tell with some funky auric soul shenanigans
cloud ibex
is yharon capable of deducing whether or not someone is a god by detecting traces of their auric souls or whatever
cause if not i feel like yharim would absolutely be fooled as well
dude didn't even know rav was a god and he killed the fucker before
hoary berry
also, if they do know that deus is from outer space, then they probably can deduce that it couldn't be a god by their definition because it couldn't have consumed an auric soul
but then
for all we know other world souls exist
and got shattered
so there could be auric soul-based gods out there
cloud ibex
yeah draedon could probably "come to the likely conclusion" that deus isn't a god but i doubt he could know for certain
graceful otter
now that i think of it how does yharim know deus isn't a god
prob because no one has ever reported being in terraria until recently
where its
infected by the astral
inland sandal
Ok ok ok
tropic oak
hello lorians
inland sandal
So wait
tropic oak
long time since my ass was in here
graceful otter
nothing
inland sandal
But I know they changed it
graceful otter
its just infected
inland sandal
hello lorians
Hellooo
scenic yacht
it ate stars before they turned into astral, then ate a star or whatever that was already infected, got infected, threw a thing of astral at terraria because fuck it and came to defend it
inland sandal
Do we know what the astral infection is at all, or na?
graceful otter
Do we know what the astral infection is at all, or na?
star shtuff
basically big stars start condensing into themselves
inland sandal
it ate stars before they turned into astral, then ate a star or whatever that wa...
Ohhh ok. So basically this astral thingy weakened and took over the mind of deus?
scenic yacht
"god"
inland sandal
Sad
graceful otter
no
scenic yacht
its not an actual god
graceful otter
astral infection is able to infect anything that isnt sapient
deus isnt sapient so it got infected
inland sandal
I was one day hoping for a cool superboss where you get to fight the God of the stars at his full strength
inland sandal
also "god" doesnt even refer to a powerful being
My man eats stars
hoary berry
a star in calamity isn't a nuclear furnace
graceful otter
stars are just mana
hoary berry
it's a dense ball of mana
scenic yacht
My man eats stars
stars in this is just
basically the fallen stars you see but probably bigger idk
graceful otter
please read the lore doc
graceful otter
basically the fallen stars you see but probably bigger idk
yea, bigger
scenic yacht
they arent like real stars
inland sandal
please read the lore doc
The heh?
scenic yacht
except for the sun which is primordial light or smth smth
inland sandal
they arent like real stars
REALLY?! WAIT SONCE WHEN?!
inland sandal
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👍
scenic yacht
REALLY?! WAIT SONCE WHEN?!
uuhhh
graceful otter
since the lore rewrite
cloud ibex
since sometime after december 2022
scenic yacht
feb 2023
inland sandal
I'm not seeing anything about the stars being the mana stars. Just... stars
Am I blind?
graceful otter
yes
inland sandal
What's it under?
graceful otter
theres more than just yharims whispers
inland sandal
I just read everything astral related
graceful otter
well the main one is draedon literally telling u in his inquiry about astral
but theres also the bestiary entries of astral enemies
inland sandal
well the main one is draedon literally telling u in his inquiry about astral
Ohhh, missed that one
hoary berry
"When a star begins to die, under normal circumstances, its power simply fades as it falls to the nearest celestial body. However, some dying stars bloat and fester before falling. Astrum Deus exists to consume these stars before the Astral Infection manifests in them, and it has been revered for its sacred duty since time immemorial." not a very normal star thing
inland sandal
but theres also the bestiary entries of astral enemies
This thing has bestiary entries?!
graceful otter
This thing has bestiary entries?!
yes
very bottom because its the longest section
inland sandal
"When a star begins to die, under normal circumstances, its power simply fades a...
Ya, where does it say anything about what kinda stars there?
inland sandal
very bottom because its the longest section
Thank you, I'm gonna read that right now!
hoary berry
what star you know of falls to a planet after "dying"?
graceful otter
"When a star begins to die, under normal circumstances, its power simply fades a...
"its power simply faded as it falls to the nearest celestial body" are fallen stars
inland sandal
what star you know of falls to a planet after "dying"?
Hey, you remember when the moon lord attacked Chicago? Or when the destroyer leveled Paris? Its a videogame, nothing makes sense dog
hoary berry
ok, but surely that implies that stars aren't necessarily going to be how we know them to be irl?
inland sandal
OH FUCK
hoary berry
i'm not saying that bestiary entry should give you the full picture
inland sandal
OK WAIT IM SORRY
hoary berry
just tip you off that stuff isn't how it seems
inland sandal
SOMETHING JUST CLICKED
There's only one kind of star in this game. There aren't falling stars that give you mana, and also celestial body's. JUST these dinky little stars
I was thinking there were different kinds
hoary berry
a celestial body includes planets btw
hoary berry
and stars in calamity seem to differ in size a lot depending on the stage of their life cycle they're in
fallen stars are stars that die normally, and shrink a ton
inland sandal
and stars in calamity seem to differ in size a lot depending on the stage of the...
Damn, I need to look further into the lore
hoary berry
astral stars bloat and fester with the infection
inland sandal
Also sorry if I was snappy at ya, I'm running on no sleep for the last fifty somethin hours now
hoary berry
i think the meteorite that falls after evil-1 is also a star - one that has not yet died but has also not become infected, if that is the case
inland sandal
i think the meteorite that falls after evil-1 is also a star - one that has not ...
Ohhhh ok
Welp
This whole talk has me finding deus a lot less cool
hoary berry
draedon theorises there are several deuses
inland sandal
God I hope so
hoary berry
if that is correct, then it is probably just straight up an animal
which i think is very cool
inland sandal
That'd actually be sick
Maybe my dream of fighting some giant superboss stareater deus isn't dead yet
hoary berry
well we might get a technically star-related superboss in the far future
graceful otter
just not deus
hoary berry
two, depending on what the hell noxus is
pliant ruin
This whole talk has me finding deus a lot less cool
well
the deus is fight isn't a full power deus most likely
if draedon's theory is correct it's probably a juvenile
sooooo
💥
i also find deus really cool in the sense that it's the one guy who has No Enemies
like
swift badger
two, depending on what the hell noxus is
A sigma from the evil ohio (devourer of gods dimension)
pliant ruin
even mf yharim is chill with him
and out of every boss in the mod
deus is one of the like, three you spare
and the two others are major lore characters
inland sandal
i also find deus really cool in the sense that it's the one guy who has No Enemi...
Until that stupid infection
inland sandal
deus is one of the like, three you spare
Spare?
pliant ruin
being calamitas and draedon
though you don't spare draedon as much as you just
don't kill him because you can't
pliant ruin
Spare?
yeah, canonically
you don't kill him
it just
dosen't look like that ingame lol cuz old boss fight moment
inland sandal
I take it back
inland sandal
I love deus again
pliant ruin
out of every boss
in the mod
deus is the only one you don't kill besides cal and draedon whcih are like major lore characters with very good reasons for you to not kill them
like
inland sandal
dosen't look like that ingame lol cuz old boss fight moment
I can barely see over big flashy rogue explosions
pliant ruin
he just has no enemies. hes just chill like that
swift badger
deus is the only one you don't kill besides cal and draedon whcih are like major...
Who is deus?
pliant ruin
deus is the 1 guy everyone likes
pliant ruin
Who is deus?
astrum deus
swift badger
Ohhhhhh
pliant ruin
even if adult deus dosen't end up being that strong (assuming draedon's theory is correct) i rly like deus for that fact alone lol
inland sandal
deus is the 1 guy everyone likes
I mean, he's just helping everybody out by munchin on those stars
inland sandal
Also, if all he eats is stars
swift badger
Dog was just a hater fr
pliant ruin
ya theoretically deus is like
composed of magic mostly
cuz he eats stars. which. are magic. and ur made out of what you eat. so
inland sandal
Dog was just a hater fr
Na, in new lore, DoG didn't kill him.
The astral infection just took over his mind
inland sandal
DoG is a hater though
He really is
pliant ruin
polar opposites
swift badger
Na, in new lore, DoG didn't kill him.
New lore and old lore always confuse me
inland sandal
Exactly
inland sandal
New lore and old lore always confuse me
Dude, scroll up. You're just me like 20 minutes ago rn
pliant ruin
THE most chill guy ever to the point you don't kill him and not even mr genocide mc fascism hates him
inland sandal
I was so confused
inland sandal
THE most chill guy ever to the point you don't kill him and not even mr genocide...
Mr. Who?
pliant ruin
the OTHER space worm is a fucking asshole with a massive ego, which even mr genocide mc fascism hates
swift badger
Yharim is literally me frr
pliant ruin
nice space worm that everyone loves
inland sandal
Avenge the dragons
pliant ruin
asshole space worm that everyone hates
inland sandal
VENGEANCE
pliant ruin
All yharim wanted was to kill the gods though
gods werent bad
eager bluff
All yharim wanted was to kill the gods though
...which is genocide
pliant ruin
and he
genocided them
and their followers
and also commited war crimes
neither gods or dragons were bad
inland sandal
...which is genocide
Shhhhhh don't worry about that part
pliant ruin
or good for that matter
swift badger
...which is genocide
To be fair the gods in the calamity universe where kind of assholes
pliant ruin
they're massive group with several different individuals with different personalities
there are bad gods
inland sandal
To be fair the gods in the calamity universe where kind of assholes
They were
pliant ruin
and good gods
eager bluff
To be fair the gods in the calamity universe where kind of assholes
some yes
eager bluff
theres nuance to everything
swift badger
Xeroc seems chill though
pliant ruin
your origin dosen't define who you are
inland sandal
Slime god
pliant ruin
it's your actions thta do
inland sandal
I'd chill with slime god
pliant ruin
yharim is a dick cuz he killed millions of innocents for a bigotted hatred
swift badger
it's your actions thta do
True
eager bluff
theres nuance to everything
its not a flat black and white good and bad
inland sandal
its not a flat black and white good and bad
I'm colorblind
pliant ruin
much like how providence, a goddess, is a dick
because she uh
killed millions of innocents for a nihilistic ideology
inland sandal
Wants to evaporate everything?
pliant ruin
they're two sides of the same coin, in a way
eager bluff
I'm colorblind
cool i do not care you can still see gray
pliant ruin
yharim is sided with dragons
and he's a awful person
providence is sided with gods
and she's a awful person
but on the other hand
zeratros is a dragon, and he seems like a pretty stand up guy
inland sandal
cool i do not care you can still see gray
I can, but it blends with black very easily. Most dark colors do
pliant ruin
otonilou is a goddess, and she was incredibly benevolent
swift badger
After killing off all the gods he did realize his actions
pliant ruin
nah
he didn't
he's not depressed cuz he regrets Genociding Millions
he's depressed because his friends left him
mostly cuz they realized he Genocided Millions
inland sandal
After killing off all the gods he did realize his actions
"Oops, my bad guys. That was kinda a dick move. Sorry"
pliant ruin
if u read his dialogue
eager bluff
he never regretted the genocide he regretted getting called out for it
pliant ruin
its p clear
he actively
still wants to kill the gods and their followers
he incentivizes you to kill them, such as after you defeat slime god
and he goes like
FUCK YEAH THAT WAS BADASS
DO IT MORE
inland sandal
he never regretted the genocide he regretted getting called out for it
You sure?
pliant ruin
yes
pliant ruin
his sorrow dosen't lie within regrets of his actions
inland sandal
Huh
swift badger
Damn
pliant ruin
they lie within the fact he didn't manage to kill all of them and the fact that his strongest allies all left him
inland sandal
Not only did he not have any black (killing a dragon)
eager bluff
aquatic scoog
inland sandal
He's got no gray
inland sandal
aquatic scoog
OKAY WAIT
pliant ruin
some dragons were dicks btw
inland sandal
SCOURGES ARE THE BEST BOSSES
pliant ruin
like
flame dragon
that one is heavily implied to liek
just be evil
like that one was just straight up evil
eager bluff
death dragon
woeful patio
like that one was just straight up evil
Evil breeds evil
eager bluff
its nuanced
pliant ruin
Evil breeds evil
true actually cuz flame dragon led to providence
which is
arguably the most evil character in the entire mod
woeful patio
Yeah that's what I am saying
pliant ruin
like the one dragon we know deserved to get killed ended up being killed by someone that probs was just as evil or more so 😭
how unfortunate
woeful patio
how unfortunate
Truly The tale of the cruel world
eager bluff
dragons probably didnt care too much about humans
remember, everything yharim tells you about dragons is through the rose tinted glasses of a vengeful salty boomer
pliant ruin
dragons probably didnt care too much about humans
remember, everything yharim te...
i feel like
the fact dragons never were human inherently would make them, generally, more distant from humans
but also
swift badger
What were the dragons though
pliant ruin
i don't think that means there weren't dragons taht were genuinely kind to humans and actively helped them
probably just
inland sandal
aquatic scoog
I want an arctic scourge. Like maybe he was frozen in the tundra, and once providence is defeated, the sheer heat could melt it just enough to free him. I could see him just aimlessly roaming the tundra constantly, eating everything in sight. He could just kinda control the tundra until you kill him
pliant ruin
weird reptile things like the wyrms or dragonfollies before they turned into dragons lol idk
we dunno rn
inland sandal
What were the dragons though
Lizards with wings
eager bluff
i don't think that means there weren't dragons taht were genuinely kind to human...
yeah however those are the exception and not the rule
pliant ruin
but it seems likely they also went through some sort of ritual much like gods i feel
pliant ruin
yeah however those are the exception and not the rule
I feel like this might be a bit too speculative and also generalizing
while i do think
swift badger
we dunno rn
Goofy ahh reptiles
pliant ruin
dragons probably
inherently would be less distant
i don't think kind/benevolent dragons would be a ''exception"
eager bluff
yeah however those are the exception and not the rule
similar to how the gods that made the corruption and crimson are the exception and not the rule
pliant ruin
i feel like they might not be as prevalent as those who are malicious or indifferent to humanity
but i don't think there'd be too little of them to the point you can go
the good ones r a exception
eager bluff
i don't think kind/benevolent dragons would be a ''exception"
in general no they wouldnt be but in terms of going out of their way to help humans yes
pliant ruin
similar to how the gods that made the corruption and crimson are the exception a...
and this, also
like
ofc
yharim dragon propaganda moment
but this feels a bit like it's biased for the reverse side without much basis, dosen't it
unless i'm missing something
inland sandal
Aye, how do yall feel about Ravager being buffed to be an endgame boss? I'm excited for it. I think he deserves it. He's a cool boss. (Also top three best themes in the game)
pliant ruin
i'm p interested on it
eager bluff
yharim sees it as every dragon goes out of their way to save and help humans when most of them probably didnt care
pliant ruin
mostly cuz of the redesign eh'll certainly get and the lore drops cuz being honest i barely play calamity so i wouldnt care too much abt the fight itself probably
vocal cairn
I remember him being boring, hope they give him
Something cool to go for
inland sandal
mostly cuz of the redesign eh'll certainly get and the lore drops cuz being hone...
Dude, I'm so excited to see his redesign
inland sandal
mostly cuz of the redesign eh'll certainly get and the lore drops cuz being hone...
Same honestly. I've been playing mod of redemption lately
pliant ruin
cal is the only mod ive played
i just never got v far on it cuz loss of motivation momen
swift badger
i just never got v far on it cuz loss of motivation momen
Infernum rahh
pliant ruin
eh idk i don really feel like playing any mods