lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

(mostly parasites

[crimson finch]

Doesn’t work in real life sadly

[pliant ruin]

like it CAN be evil

but it's not always evil

[crimson finch]

Like Chimpanzees

Fucking hate those things

[fierce pagoda]

you could make a human banner out of 1 though Moopgoop/Hoagie

[crimson finch]

They will ruin your life over a small amount of food

[pliant ruin]

i don't think advocating for killing a specific species because you dislike them is doing much in terms of not being evil

[fierce pagoda]

Chimps are cool what are you on about

[pliant ruin]

even if admittedly chimps are very fucked up and i don't want to stay 500 meters near one

[fierce pagoda]

they're just animals doing animal things

and if they are trained by humans they are safe

[crimson finch]

Oh I’m not gonna do a chimp cleansing

[pliant ruin]

that one is wrong

the last one

that one is just wrong

i'm sorry

[crimson finch]

Yep def wrong

Chimps even trained by humans will go ballistic

[pliant ruin]

chimps are as far as away from a safe animal as it gets i think

[fierce pagoda]

yeah if they are abused to hell and back

[pliant ruin]

they don't need to be abused

[crimson finch]

I’d rather be surrounded by the most venomous snakes than be near a chimp

[fierce pagoda]

but if they raised properly they good

[crimson finch]

They’re just assholes like that

[fierce pagoda]

but they are still animals though i'll give you that

[pliant ruin]

chimps have the very fun mix of

[crimson finch]

A gorilla is more tame than a chimp

3 animals you don’t wanna be near

Hippo

Chimp

Orca

They will ruin you

[pliant ruin]

having intelligence almost on par with early humans and also not having the moral compass humans have that stops them from doing bad things

[fierce pagoda]

I could probably take a chimp out, if i had a really good spear

[pliant ruin]

they're not evil

but they're also incredibly unpredictable and prone to violence

[fierce pagoda]

would also probably come out fucked up, but nah, I'd win

[pliant ruin]

and you should absolutely never try ''training" one, the only situation you should even get next to one is if you're a professional researcher or zookeeper or something along those lines

[pliant ruin]

Look

[crimson finch]

Throughout Heaven & Earth, I alone could beat a chimp in a fight

[pliant ruin]

unless you're

[fierce pagoda]

yeah that's what i was thinking

[pliant ruin]

very athlethic

and capable with a spear

[crimson finch]

Yeah no way

[pliant ruin]

you're going to die

[fierce pagoda]

Hell yeah!!

[crimson finch]

The chimp would snap it and maul you

[pliant ruin]

Chimps are physically stronger than basically any human

[fierce pagoda]

nah you guys are overestimating chimps

[pliant ruin]

And they're highly intelligent and can plan out strategies

I think it's the opposite

you're underestimating them

[fierce pagoda]

so can i lmao

[crimson finch]

Have you NEVER SEEN PLANET OF TJE APES

[fierce pagoda]

a movie?

[pliant ruin]

planet of the apes is not a good way to back up your claim

instead i recommend looking at the fact chimps are wildlly regarded by zookeepers as the one animal they dread the most interacting with and the fact chimps have history with killing people in brutal ways in the past

[fierce pagoda]

have you seen 5 humans with spears vs an elephant

[pliant ruin]

no

but some humans do that yes

[fierce pagoda]

Humans win that shit

[pliant ruin]

those humans are highly athletic and adapted to a hunting lifestyle

you are not

[fierce pagoda]

1 with a spear is taking a chimp

uhh yes i am thank you very much

[pliant ruin]

no amount of modern average civilized humans with spears will take down a elephant

well

[fierce pagoda]

I've had calamity Rogue spear training

[pliant ruin]

no amount is a bit of a exaggeration of course

but euphemism aside

it ain't happening

[crimson finch]

Those monkeys have guns

Planet of the apes is scary

Gtg nice yapping with y’all

Bye bye

[pliant ruin]

planet of the apes is a cool ass movie

big fan

talking about the original tbh but the new one is also kind of banger

well

''new''

its not really

new anymore

but yk

the modernization

[fierce pagoda]

I have never seen any of the movies, is it the same movie where theres like a giant stone pillar and some chimps gather around it

[pliant ruin]

kind of nostalgic for the old one but the new one is kind of sick too

[pliant ruin]

there's a older franchise and a newer one

they're both kinda banger

newer one is cgi and alot more ''hollywoody" and grounded tbh

but old one also is just

a great movie with alot of great analogies and symbolism regarding humanity itrself

even if it can feel a bit wackier

it's got some pretty heavy scenes

[fierce pagoda]

Funny monkey

woahohoh i love funny monkey

[pliant ruin]

i recommend both the old and new movies

i prefer old but that might be my nostalgia kicking the new one is also rly good

[fierce pagoda]

im gonna watch the old ones

if im ever watching them

[pliant ruin]

ya fair

the old one is kind of a cult classic so

its one of those rly old movies that aged like wine basically

[fierce pagoda]

oh no a cult?

i dont like cults

im kinda like Yharim in that regard, neglecting them

[pliant ruin]

i looooove cults

[fierce pagoda]

what the hell, are you a fan of Scientology then?

[pliant ruin]

i'm kromer from limbus comapny i love cults and i love killing innocents who i deem heretical based on my own bigotted views

i'd like to clarify i'm not kromer from limbus company

she's a terrible person i don't like her

[fierce pagoda]

That will be 10 kromer

10 norwegian kroner

are there any monkeys in calamity?

expect for the terrarian if we count humans as monkeys

and if you're frieza

no wait tht was only for the saiyans

[pliant ruin]

MY TIME HAS COME

my theory.

okay so

azafure is the first city

so this means azafurians are likely the first humans

azafurians, minus their horns, seem to have fairly standard hominid anatomy

so it's safe to assume they had a similar ancestor

yet, they live deep in the underworld, and not in a location you'd expect to see apes or similar primates in

my conclusion:

hell apes

there's apes in hell somewhere

if you explore the underworld long enough you'll find hell gorillas

and underworldly orangutans

[scenic olive]

What are we discussing again

[pliant ruin]

how there's apes in hell

[fierce pagoda]

Wow i had no idea you were so informed on this topic.

hell apes

sounds scary

[pliant ruin]

it's my favorite cheese licensed ™️ calamity mod theory

mainly because it's really funny and also there's nothing ingame that goes against it

[fierce pagoda]

We better se some monkey's in the distortion

crazy that there's no monkeys or apes in the jungle

[crimson finch]

Chimps

Literally monkeys from hell

[stark sentinel]

now we need a giant hell ape boss

[crimson finch]

That sure would be one hell of a boss

[pliant ruin]

Cheese understands the joke.

[late moth]

i feel like this question comes up several times when discussing calamity lore

what a mess

[pliant ruin]

that's less of a calamity lore thing

it's more of a #lore-discussion being severely mentally ill thing

the lore is not to blame, blame the increasing amount of neurodivergent mfers in this channel

(For reference, i am incredibly mentally ill

(This is not ableism

(Moderator plz dont ban me

[graceful otter]

pinging a mod to ban u rq

[late moth]

no i uh

i definitely think the lore is to blame

but thats just my personal opinion

it was alot easier to follow before it decided that it wanted to be a from software game

[pliant ruin]

Do you have any reason as to why you think so

Is it just because you find it hard to follow? Which honestly i can't blame you but i do feel like that's less of a Lore thing and more of a

The Lore Implementation Currently Sucks because the Mod Is Unfinished thing

i hate lore items really bad!

[late moth]

for starters the lore as of now is just quite literally dark souls

[pliant ruin]

How exactly

I mean

[late moth]

its like not even funny

[pliant ruin]

i can get the overall energy yeah

[late moth]

no like

[pliant ruin]

But as someone who knows nothing about dark souls

¯_(ツ)_/¯

And at the end of the day media is inspired by other media

[late moth]

go watch the opening cutscene for ds1 and then start reading the lore texts

its perfectly fine to be inspired but i mean

its literally just the same premise

[pliant ruin]

I mean i can't confirm or deny the similarities cuz

as i said

[late moth]

also like 75% of things arent explained at all in the mod which just makes it confusing and hard to follow

[pliant ruin]

i know nothing abt dark souls

[late moth]

like

[pliant ruin]

Yep! That's because the lore presentation sucks

(Because the mod is unfinished

(There's like, three ways to get lore right now

[graceful otter]

guys did u know that one similarity makes something a copy

[dense ore]

isn't yharim the guy with the mace

[graceful otter]

its crazy

[pliant ruin]

(One of them is actually good, one of them Sucks Balls and another is meant to just be more so for complementary info and worldbuilding than substantial lore)

[late moth]

if you arent going to hear me out then dont butt in lol

im actually trying to have a discussion here

[pliant ruin]

(This is, again, because the mod is unfinished

[dense ore]

isn't azafure that one guy's son

[graceful otter]

and ur point is awful

[late moth]

????

[pliant ruin]

Azafure is actually the god of the sea

[late moth]

you dont even know what my point is lol

[graceful otter]

ur taking one part of a games lore and comparing it to this ones and saying its the same thing

[pliant ruin]

learn your lore

[dense ore]

you know the guy with the worm pet

[pliant ruin]

No, that's the storm god

[late moth]

im telling you watch the opening cutscene for ds1 and then read the lore texts

[dense ore]

cronchlon or something

[pliant ruin]

He killed yharim's greatest warrior

[late moth]

my point will be alot more clear

[pliant ruin]

Yharun

[dense ore]

oh yeah yharmon's cousin

[graceful otter]

i dont need to

i already know cal lore is inspired by dark souls

u dont need to tell me that

[late moth]

you literally do if you want to have an educated take

its perfectly fine if you dont want to look into it

[dense ore]

ds1 was good but the 3ds is better

[graceful otter]

the main lore writer straight up told me that dark souls was one of the inspirations for the lore rewrite

[half roost]

"one of the"

[graceful otter]

yes

one of them

[half roost]

key phrase

[graceful otter]

there were multiple

[pliant ruin]

I mean

i can see it

[late moth]

i just find it incredibly funny that you can get calamity lore by just replacing the main important figures in dark souls with calamity figures

[half roost]

?

[pliant ruin]

both involve Dragons and a group of beings revolting against them

but also

[half roost]

explain yourself?

[pliant ruin]

That's a

really shallow way to look at things

[late moth]

gwyn=yharim
witch=calamitas
and so on

[pliant ruin]

Like yes, the very basic surface premise is definitely similar

[graceful otter]

dang i didnt know there was a robot guy that advanced all fields of sciences by around a hundred years in dark souls

[pliant ruin]

But at at the opening text itself i can already see differences

[late moth]

the glazing is crazy

[pliant ruin]

So i imagine the story as a whole isn't the same in terms of themes and narrative

[half roost]

Does dark souls have a burnt city in hell that angered an ancient spirit?

[late moth]

literally yes

[half roost]

???

[pliant ruin]

I definitely agree it was inspired and the dragon inspiration in particular is very clear

[late moth]

yes

lmao

[dense ore]

isn't this the guy that killed draedon

[pliant ruin]

Can you guys stop being passive agressive plz

have a civilized discussion godamn

[late moth]

im chilling

[pliant ruin]

that's actually the god of the dragonsx

he killed providence

[pliant ruin]

you're good for the most part

[cursive steeple]

who/what is noxus ?

[pliant ruin]

I can definitely see where you're coming from

[dense ore]

Providence is draedon 2 right

[graceful otter]

a creature from the distortion

[pliant ruin]

They have clear similarities and inspirations

[trim edge]

what

[pliant ruin]

And i can admit, that some of the inspiration seems to be a bit obvious

[cursive steeple]

that's where DoG is right?

[half roost]

Being that lives in the distortion, alluded to by DoG's lore item, and we know to be powerful

[pliant ruin]

But i highly doubt the stories as a whole within their narrative elements and storytelling themes would be the same

[dense ore]

i like dogs

[half roost]

It is, yes.

[late moth]

i dont think its bad to be inspired by dark souls at all, i just think the lore before the rewrite felt alot more original and more of its own thing

[pliant ruin]

You can have two stories about sharks eating sailors with completely different themes and ideas

[half roost]

I don't know any dark souls lore.

[late moth]

the idea of making terraria a morbid world is great, i just dont like the execution

[late moth]

then dont comment 😎

[dense ore]

ok so if i read it right draedon is like the old duke but not a pig and more dragon

[pliant ruin]

I'm not a huge fan of old lore mainly because alot of it felt like it held no cohesive narrative purpose

[cursive steeple]

ooh dark soul lore :o

[pliant ruin]

Some if was

individually

interesting

a good amount of it was, honestly

but it felt like it never had much of a goal

[graceful otter]

oh u liked this character? too bad they got fridged

[pliant ruin]

And while you don't need everything to all tie into a single plot

[late moth]

i mean that was the point, no?

[pliant ruin]

Old lore felt like it didn't have a plot to begin with

[half roost]

So, is there a distortion equivalent in the dark souls lore

[pliant ruin]

I don't really think so? The goal both in old and new lore was to have Yharim as a villain and build up to the player fighting him

[pliant ruin]

plz.

[late moth]

i dont think yharim is a villian i think the lore is supposed to make you question what youre doing

[dense ore]

king slime is number one public enemy for killing xeroc

[pliant ruin]

nah

[late moth]

but thats my interpretation

[pliant ruin]

yharim is very much a villain

[half roost]

what?

[graceful otter]

yharim torched civillians

[late moth]

and so did the player?

the player kills like

[trim edge]

old lore yharim was a war criminal for no reason
new lore yharim is a war criminial with a purpose

[late moth]

unreasonably large amounts of creatures

[pliant ruin]

the player dosen't torch any innocent civilians

[late moth]

for no reason

[dense ore]

the stolen lemon right?

[pliant ruin]

everything the player kills is either a immediate threat or just. Evil Guys

Yharim is a

well

[late moth]

i mean thats also shallow is it not

[pliant ruin]

genocidal fascist

[graceful otter]

random creatures that are attacking you out of instinct isnt the same as killing people

[late moth]

you just kill them because theyre "bad guys"

[pliant ruin]

That's because the player has no character

It's a templtae

template*

my bad

If you want them to be evil

make them evil

But at a base level, none of the bosses or enemies you fight are ''innocent"

[trim edge]

terraria has too much freedom for the player to be a fixed character in lore

[pliant ruin]

^

[late moth]

honestly why bother with lore at that point then lol

[pliant ruin]

I don't really understand this facet

[graceful otter]

thats why it has lore and not a story

[humble fog]

Who doesn’t every once in a while

[late moth]

^

true

[thick slate]

arson :3

[pliant ruin]

The mod has a story, it is not negatively affecting the mod, and whilst terraria is not the best place to build a story, calamity wants to do so

[cursive steeple]

what disease/plague did the plaguebrigner goliath bring?

[pliant ruin]

It's not like it's impossible - Of course, it's a bit tricky, but it can work

[humble fog]

:33

[humble fog]

Nanobot plague

[pliant ruin]

So i don't really understand the opposition to it alot of people have simply due to terraria ''not being built for it"

[trim edge]

we currently get most of the lore from yharim's perspective so it's extremely biased

[thick slate]

genetically engineered by draedon probably

[late moth]

i suppose

[graceful otter]

its simply called "the plague" but its a self evolving "virus" of nanomachines that infects creatures to turn them into cyborgs that can get controlled by one hive mind (pbg)

[thick slate]

damn

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is written in a way to make it clear he's a very Terrible Person which has many traits comparable to that of fascist leaders once you analyse his character - But also in a way that he still feels just human enough and is just good enough with his own manipulation tactics that some people genuinely think he's not a villain

It's a very fascinating way to write a character and while he's a awful person i gotta say as a character he's really damn good, altough not my favorite

He's got empathethic traits

But that dosen't change he's a terrible person

[thick slate]

nah he chill

[graceful otter]

he likes bees so hes alright

[trim edge]

yharim likes bees so he must be good

[pliant ruin]

Having humane traits dosen't make you a good person at the end of the day, if your actions are almost entirely malicious

[solar wharf]

yharim actions screams "FASCIST LEADER"

but his personality and the way he talks seem just so normal

[thick slate]

i could have a beer with him

[trim edge]

auric beer

[graceful otter]

tldr; dont trust anyone who calls themselves a hero

ever

[humble fog]

How’d you figure that out, did you perchance use the

Process of beelimination?

[pliant ruin]

unless they're

clears throat

[humble fog]

Kid named hero

[urban hedge]

He's the opposite of the dude from the Bee Movie

[pliant ruin]

THE RIGHTEOUS FIXER OF LIMBUS COMP

gets hit with a rock

[graceful otter]

brainrot

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/don-don-quioxte-limbus-company-true-gif-15934197920106609892

[humble fog]

“Ya hate jazz?” —yharim probably

[thick slate]

not that guy

[trim edge]

xeroc seeing the aerie in its current state (it is covered with nothing but bee posters)

[thick slate]

the human guy

[graceful otter]

i think they meant keith or kevin or whatever thefucks name is

[thick slate]

guacamole

[urban hedge]

Yeah (Idk his name either, I just know he's initially the husband or smthng of the woman who I also don't know the name of)

[humble fog]

Shhhh

[cursive steeple]

question about astrum deus, is it a god and if so what is it?

also what is it supposed to be?

[trim edge]

it's not an actual god

[urban hedge]

Not a god, Draedon's logs tell a decent chunk

Obviously a space thing, and apparently they eat stars (dying ones specifically iirc)

[trim edge]

just a worm that eats stars
people somehow know astral infection is bad and worship it

[cursive steeple]

nice!

[urban hedge]

iirc, this one basically ate spoiled stars (alternatively known as the Astral Infection) and got infected

[half roost]

The astral infection is WHAT

[cursive steeple]

is ceaseless void supposed to be like a portal or is it just me thinking it looks like one

[half roost]

it is

[urban hedge]

Yes

[graceful otter]

not actually god. its a creature that lives in space, eating mana (stars) as sustenance, and some have seen it from the surface. people have called it a god because they thought it would eat and then rebirth stars, tho no evidence supports this. draedon personally believes that astrum deus is a juvenille, because evidence supports that one deus would not be enough to support all of space free from astral, considering the size of the observable universe and how reports of astral in space increasing has not significantly increased after deus was infected

[trim edge]

if the astral meteor that falls in hardmode is the first one that hit the planet
how did people know it was bad
and if they didn't why did they worship deus

[graceful otter]

whar

[graceful otter]

yes, it is a perfectly stable portal to the distortion, sealed by the dragon cult

[urban hedge]

They'd know it's bad cause well, it's obviously hostile

[cursive steeple]

what is this bridge thing and what is the building surronding it? think I was told it was a kingdom or something

[urban hedge]

idk if they still do worship deus in new lore

[solar wharf]

azafure

the first ever city

[graceful otter]

the entirety of brimstone crags are the remains of azafure, the first city

[solar wharf]

which got destroyed by a fight between brimstone elemental and calamitas

[cursive steeple]

are we on good term with either one of them^

[solar wharf]

they

dont exist

so

oh u mean calamitas and brimstone elemental?

[cursive steeple]

yes

[solar wharf]

we "killed" brimstone elemental

calamitas tries to kill us til she realizes that we arent actually yharim but thats old dialogue

so it would be changed later on

but she DOES join us

so she is on good terms with us

i say killed brimstone elemental, we only killed its avatar

brimstone elemental is the entirety of brimstone, which we havent had confirmation if it inculdes fire

[cursive steeple]

ah

[cursive steeple]

so like was the fight never ending before we "killed" brimstone? or was one of them gonna win?

ik they come to an end evantually but like

[solar wharf]

the brimstone elemental we fought is just 1 very strong avatar of her, we defeat her and now she needs to reform herself

same goes for anahita, silva, cloud, and sand

[cursive steeple]

so silva is also kinda "dead?"

[solar wharf]

shes dead in the sense she cant form her avatar

its damaged beyond repair

and the abyss pressure keeps destroying her body i assume

[cursive steeple]

I was told she's gonna come back eventually

is that the actual part not avatar^

[solar wharf]

idk if thats confirmed or not but she has escaped abyss before, so its fair to assume she might

do it again

im not sure if thats confirmed tho

[solar wharf]

her form is the avatar, shes just the domain itself

[cursive steeple]

ohhh

[hushed geyser]

Bruh who were tha avatars before her there's a cycle yknow

Can she even lightning bend

[humble fog]

Is lightning bending genetic or taught

Zuko learned it sure but everyone who did it was part of the royal ranily

[graceful otter]

learnt prob

atla (atleast in the original series) usually try to steer away from genetics as a reason on why smthn happens

[humble fog]

Same for lava?

[graceful otter]

like theres bending and thats it

[graceful otter]

idk we only see roku use it that one time (again in the original series)

[humble fog]

I’m ngl I completely forgot roku did

Was thinking of bolin

If that’s his name

The gay ass earthbender boy from korra

[graceful otter]

yea i dont rlly like korra

why they treat lightning bending as fire bending 2.0 its fucking lightning

[humble fog]

why not there’s lesbians

[graceful otter]

its a long list of dislikes

[humble fog]

Grandma toph tho

[hushed geyser]

Granny toph is an outlier

[stark basalt]

Wassuuuuup

[crimson finch]

I have a really sneaking suspicion that The “Old” Duke is the same age as the Duke Fishron we fight, except he looks really old due to living in actual acid water. Also he just doesn’t shave himself baby smooth.

Like it’s hard for my brain to comprehend one is older

It seems fishy (no pun intended)

[thick slate]

calamity players cant comprehend time

[thick slate]

pickled yharim

[spring helm]

how did you break the ai with one sentance

it immediately switched to third person

[stark basalt]

This is more devious than the stuff that I do in here

[spring helm]

omni should namescale the weapons and see where the calamity verse peaks

[stark basalt]

Omni should powerscale us

[real silo]

Reb D tier

[mild obsidian]

what if the ending of calamity is just Spec Ops the Line's ending but Konrad is replaced by Yharim

or what if.

The Terrarian was Yharim all along.

via some fucked up time travel bullshit

(my brain was ruined by viewing every episode of game theory)

(and can no longer speculate lore correctly)

[earnest flare]

hey wait thats my job-

omni would never go against the real liberal powerscaler agenda

anyways universe splitter should do the trick

[wheat walrus]

Fym

I can do that whenever I want and infinitely more efficiently than you can since I'm actually aware of how scaling works :3

[stark basalt]

Omni isn’t holding punches tonight

[solar wharf]

DAMN!!!

[earnest flare]

ok but i can scale more inefficiently than you ever could

and if your goal is to scale in the worst ways possible im the best person for the job

and i explicitly dont scale using your woke liberal "feats"

[wheat walrus]

Wrong!

I can do far worse and far better than you ever will, simply cause I know how scaling works and how to not make it work

Plus I've seen a lot of bad scaling in the past, so I'm also more experienced

[earnest flare]

your mindset is stuck in the powerscaler's one
you're simply much slower in finding horrible inefficient ways to scale things

[wheat walrus]

Wrong

[solar wharf]

what

[earnest flare]

man

[wheat walrus]

You underestimate me Push

[solar wharf]

i was gonna send a feat and ask omni to powerscale it on sight :((

[earnest flare]

scaling with feats simply doesnt matter when you're not scaling anything outside the verse either

and as a result you're wasting your time with your calamity calcs

have balls and use ingame statistics

[wheat walrus]

Nah but what does this mean bro

[wheat walrus]

I could

[spring helm]

do it then

[wheat walrus]

Maybe if I remember it

[jaunty wraith]

All this scaling always leaves out who would be the real most powerful character

Cirrus, the drunk princess. Literally a self insert for fabsol

[earnest flare]

i could scale cirrus

but alas my whole thing is canonocity

[jaunty wraith]

Counterpoint: cannon doesn't affect cirrus as she can just make herself cannon

[earnest flare]

yeah but she made herself non-canon

if she wanted to be canon then she would

[wheat walrus]

weak

[solar wharf]

is this a new rivarly?

[earnest flare]

anyways can we talk about how mild scal's flames are
like seriously, her flames are exclusively red, that shit cool as hell

[solar wharf]

omni and pusheen....

[wheat walrus]

idk

[earnest flare]

real

[earnest flare]

im sure she could still evaporate ilmeris but it'd take a while at less than 900 degrees celcius

[crimson finch]

Her flames should’ve been burning either blue or white hot as the fight goes on

[hushed geyser]

Magic

They burn red

[earnest flare]

burning red isnt magic it happens at low temperatures

naturally

[hushed geyser]

Yeah but it burns red now

Cus of magic

[earnest flare]

it always was red though

brimstone lava is also red

[hushed geyser]

Magic haters in shambles when anything can be explained with it

[earnest flare]

despite sulfur not being the chemical that turns fire red

that would be strontium chloride

which umm
i dont think the ordinary person carries around

[scenic yacht]

you dont carry a bag of strongenjahg whatever?

[hushed geyser]

I do

Scal probably would

She seems like the type to carry the shit required to make red fire

[earnest flare]

yeah but to do so for a fight that canonically lasts hours...

[hushed geyser]

Yeah and

Bag of holding

[earnest flare]

that doesnt exist in terraria-

[hushed geyser]

Proof

Look at the inventory

[crimson finch]

Funny how Calamitas is Mage but also multiclassed

[hushed geyser]

Checkmate liberals

[crimson finch]

That’s neat

[eager bluff]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/Void_Bag

[earnest flare]

the inventory is also limited

[hushed geyser]

Not if you use the trash slot numerous times

It's like how a bag of holding would really work

Shit would get lost

[earnest flare]

damn you got me

scal really does carry around tons of strontium chloride everywhere she goes

its true

[hushed geyser]

Ok but

Green firework

https://tenor.com/view/lime-green-gojo-gojo-gojo-satoru-green-gojo-hollow-purple-gif-2894510084601148195

[earnest flare]

the chemical that makes fireworks green isnt strontium chloride-

[hushed geyser]

It is if you're a specific type of colorblind

[earnest flare]

what type of colorblind makes red look like a bright green

[hushed geyser]

I dunno

Google it

[earnest flare]

red-green colorblindness just turns both colors brownish

[hushed geyser]

Damn bro sees literal shit 24/7

Tragic

[scenic yacht]

whichever one makes you unable to see red and blue at all

[hushed geyser]

Ok but what if

[earnest flare]

so just tetronomy with 1 cone-

[hushed geyser]

I train my brain

To make red appear green

[earnest flare]

ok this does not exist in humans

[hushed geyser]

I'll make it exist

[earnest flare]

wtf no dont invent disabilities

thats mean

[hushed geyser]

I am this devoted to being right

[thick slate]

tetrachromacy

with 4 cones of colours

[crimson finch]

Adventure Time

Finn confused Green & Red

Cause he’s colorblind

Upsetting Calamity doesn’t have a sword from Adventure Time as like a dedicated item

[scenic olive]

Shimmer lore

[buoyant inlet]

In the ideal world brimstone flame would be blue

Like burning sulphur irl

It looks so peak

And actually looks mesmerising

Like burning souls

[spring helm]

it used to be blue

[crimson finch]

Make it blue like when DM Dokuro is singing is Stained, Brutal Calamity

[spring helm]

calamitas didn't like blue so she changed it

[buoyant inlet]

https://youtu.be/nBjlyZsW1z4?si=_DBsddToS0JtLzkt

[crimson finch]

The Lament Part***

[buoyant inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-peak-fiction-one-piece-gif-26139262

[crimson finch]

What do you guys think is the most canon class out of the 5

I’m thinking melee

[spring helm]

multiclass

the terrarian just uses whatever he can

[crimson finch]

He just switches when convenient lmao

[scenic yacht]

All of them are equal because its up to what you do in your playthrough

[crimson finch]

I’m asking for opinions not actual reasons

show me the biases

[spring helm]

switches classes in the middle of a fight
Calamitas: "Wtf are you doing?"
Terrarian: "Changing weapons because this one isn't working against you."
C: "YOU CAN DO THAT????"

[spring helm]

melee

(i love ark of the cosmos)

[crimson finch]

I literally used armor slot 2 to switch from mage to melee mid fight

[spring helm]

i had two melee sets in my last completed playthrough lmao

one for damage and one for tank

[crimson finch]

Since I used the Catalyst mod, I went from one Auric+ set to the other Auric+ set cause you can give auric armor +6 defense each if you added an evolved form of Statigel armor

But I’m not gonna yap about Astrageldon cause they killed him off

[abstract cove]

y did xeroc make the boss rush thingy

[neat tinsel]

Standardized testing

[crimson finch]

[mild hatch]

Wonder what Calamity's stance on the Torch God is...

[cloud ibex]

carbon monoxide poisoning induced hallucination from huffing all the torch fumes in an enclosed area

[buoyant inlet]

Torch God's blessing is just your terrarian being smart and crafting biome torches before placing them

[mighty zenith]

torch god is a hallucination that increases the efficiency of your brain

[scenic olive]

torch god is actually a shimmered god

bro got shimmered and became incorporeal

shimmer is actually the auric soul of void

its the only soul that doesnt have its own dragon

turn into liquid

[vocal snow]

torch god is actually xeroc

[scenic olive]

Xeroc is actually a sentient rock

[hoary berry]

it's why torch god's blessing lets us materialise biome torches

we use fragments of primordial light granted to us by xeroc to conjure them

[vocal snow]

precisely

[hoary berry]

100% factual

[vocal snow]

real

[scenic olive]

The first torch was lit by man

or was that someone else

What is defined as a torch

[vocal snow]

stick with fire

[vapid swift]

what is yharim's war supposed to be?

idk i just heard that Yharim had something like war

and i don't understand what is it about

[brisk frigate]

God genocide

and a solid amount of normal genocide

[vapid swift]

but why he wanted to kill gods?

[brisk frigate]

His bff is a dragon which gods wiped out due to God's ascending

He is the last dragon (not really, the last of a special dragon species)

[vapid swift]

okay thank you for explanation

[cloud ibex]

r/atheism regular and dragon fanboy Yharim commits warcrimes and genocide because he didn't like being told what to do and Literally The Most Biased Dragon In Existence told him all gods fucking suck ass and are dickheads

[random mulch]

also the gods ordered his death

[brisk frigate]

After he betrayed them

For his bff in an egg

[brisk frigate]

False, he believes you should pray to dragons

[cloud ibex]

because they told him to absorb yharon's soul and as previously mentioned he didn't like being told what to do

[brisk frigate]

Not r/atheism by result

[vapid swift]

and also why he dried entire ocean?

[brisk frigate]

He didn't

[vapid swift]

he didn't?

[brisk frigate]

The sunken sea is there, scal did it

And it had 2 gods

[cloud ibex]

ocean kingdom had two gods

[brisk frigate]

It had gods and a lot of people praying to them

These 2 gods were very good people

And stopped the infighting the ocean kingdom had

[vapid swift]

amidas is also a god?

[brisk frigate]

No

No npc is a god

He was the king, not a god

[vapid swift]

oh okay

[solar wharf]

amidias follows 2 other gods tho

[brisk frigate]

The gods were def above the king

[buoyant inlet]

Important to mention that it was underground sea

Not an ocean

It's a common misconception

[vapid swift]

sorry my english is bad and I confused the sea with the ocean

[buoyant inlet]

It's alright

Just clarifying

[keen hearth]

How does an underground sea exist tho?

[buoyant inlet]

Just like underground lakes exist irl I imagine

Just on a bigger scale

[keen hearth]

I never seen one

[buoyant inlet]

They're very pretty

[brisk frigate]

You live above ground

[keen hearth]

I never seen one even as an image

[vapid swift]

wee still didn't explored everything on the earth soo maybe there is something like that

[frank wasp]

Yo so just to confirm all of draedon's creations are the mechs, the exo mechs, aureus and plaguebringer goliath right? Like I'm not missing anything

[solar wharf]

armored diggers

laserfish

[brisk frigate]

All the plague beings

The nano bots in the labs

[keen hearth]

Oh, even those?

[solar wharf]

yes

[urban hedge]

The laserfish currently aren't iirc

[buoyant inlet]

https://youtu.be/4AQQk3y3Qg0?si=tkJpCiwhe76nERVu

[solar wharf]

?

[frank wasp]

Aight so all the boss creations are the ones i listed tho ye?

[brisk frigate]

Ye

[urban hedge]

Not 100% sure, I recall something about this

[keen hearth]

Vanilla mechs are also turned into Draedon creations, right?

[frank wasp]

Aight sweet, cheers, thats all I needed

[buoyant inlet]

Their in game bestiary is outdated

[frank wasp]

Yeah

[buoyant inlet]

It wasn't changed when the bestiary was rewritten

But it wa supposed to

[keen hearth]

Complete lore change ig

[keen hearth]

Draedon claimed Mechanic's mechs as his own

[buoyant inlet]

They aren't mechanic's

[calm patio]

the mechanic never made them

[buoyant inlet]

It's vanilla lore

[brisk frigate]

When vanilla lore and cal lore collide

[buoyant inlet]

Which isn't canon to cal

[frank wasp]

In calamity lore draedon made the normal mechs

[keen hearth]

That's why I said complete lore change

[vapid swift]

damn calamity is like terraria 2.0

[buoyant inlet]

Well the wording makes it look like you said that mechanic made mechs and draedon claimed them

[calm patio]

^

[vapid swift]

completely different lore

[keen hearth]

It was a joke

[brisk frigate]

I have an insane urge to kill bugs and drink all here

[keen hearth]

Yeah, ig they're very shallow

Do things even live in those?

[brisk frigate]

Yes

And also ain't always shallow

[buoyant inlet]

The biggest one is called Dragon's Breath Cave apparently

Coincidence???

[keen hearth]

They got Havoc's breath irl

[scenic olive]

Flamethrower lazer

[brisk frigate]

They got a 60 base power special attack with the chance to paralyze irl

[buoyant inlet]

There's underground lake that's called The Lost Sea

Basically sunken sea irl

[hoary berry]

i hope no one feels calamitous and detonates a hydrogen bomb in it

[keen hearth]

Way to start a Clamity

[buoyant inlet]

Man I really want calamity-like game but in 3d and not Minecraft

Those caves are so beautiful, I think it's impossible to capture it in 2d

And I don't really enjoy Minecraft style

[brisk frigate]

Throudon craves subnaughtica

[hoary berry]

dw if i spontaneously gain god-like powers of creation i'll make a cool underground lake

[buoyant inlet]

I believe you

[hoary berry]

i would also make more calamity plushies

so i can have a dragonfolly irl

[buoyant inlet]

I wonder if low poly 3d sandbox game can work

Something somewhat akin to Minecraft but everything is not just square

[random mulch]

i've always wanted to learn low poly modelling 😔

[brisk frigate]

Drg style but sandboxy

[buoyant inlet]

I need to play drg......

[brisk frigate]

Def could work

[brisk frigate]

TRUE

It just got an major update

Best time to play it

[buoyant inlet]

Cool to think that new sunken sea will be similar to this (I think)

[brisk frigate]

Straight up

You can experience everything

Due to being able to change what you experience (new season changer)

[random mulch]

i hope we get to see more of the sso

[hoary berry]

i'm imagining the statue of amidias being in the centre of that circular pool

with the light refracting off of some sort of sea prism

[random mulch]

there's been a lot of critters n' whatnot shown but for the tiles it's basically just the statue

[brisk frigate]

Triangle the goat actually showing stuff

[buoyant inlet]

Heart made a lot of new tiles some time ago

They're edible as always

[brisk frigate]

You'll choke on her sprites

[random mulch]

where

[buoyant inlet]

Don't think they're public unfortunately

[random mulch]

sadge

[buoyant inlet]

I wish she was more open with her sprites

Non boss ones

[mild obsidian]

In an uh. calamity related RP I did, I took some creative liberties and said

the Sunken Sea kingdom was invaded by Yharim long ago, who is responsible for it being dried up now. He also had Draedon seal Amidias in the Clam.

Does that work or did I just pull it out of my ass

[random mulch]

in canon the sunken sea being incinerated was a relatively recent thing

and he had calamitas incinerate ilmeris

[vapid swift]

my computer would melt

and my spider too

he made such a good job with the web inside my pc

[frank wasp]

Smth like calamity in 3d would be awesome tho

Calcraft lol

[umbral forge]

I have a theory

[hoary berry]

spill

[umbral forge]

The reason duke fishron eats the truffle worm is because it smells and tastes like crabulon

And crabulon could have been duke fishron's natural pray in illmeris

[hoary berry]

fishron isn't from ilmeris, is it?

[umbral forge]

Or at least the crab it used to be

[hoary berry]

fishrons are dragon offshoots

which live in seclusion, mostly (i think)

[pliant ruin]

Fishrons are probably just oceanic

[hoary berry]

also crabulon wouldn't have tasted like mushrooms in this timeline where fishrons are from ilmeris

because it wouldn't have died and been taken over

unless you're saying that the worm tastes like the crab and the mushrooms make no difference

but that makes little sense to me

[hoary berry]

anyway yeah this

[umbral forge]

I'm saying that the truffle worms were in crabulon and got its taste

[trim edge]

are fishrons attracted to the truffle or the worm

[umbral forge]

But anyway, yeah, this holds no value considering that duke isn't from illmeris

If it did, the theory would actually be decently stable

(not solid, stable)

[leaden bridge]

ok but how will the new zelda game be placed in the timeline

[visual kiln]

it wont be

it's gonna b in catalyst tho

we're gonna get the calamity ganon superboss

from the zelda game timeline

[mighty zenith]

plumg

[cosmic zenith]

(Fishrons are not from Ilmeris)

You're confusing new lore with old lore

[north wigeon]

this will be the Hyrule Warriors: Age of Terraria Calamity Mod

[stark basalt]

Old duke being on the same tier as dog is insane

Some old fish pig being that powerful it’s nuts

[visual kiln]

tbh a lot of cal's bosses feel kinda random like that

[buoyant inlet]

I mean he's like one of the dragons that didn't get auric souls simply because all auric souls were already given

[stuck shore]

What could torch god be if he was canon to cal lore since he’s not a crossover boss?

[buoyant inlet]

The author of the journals

My brother

[stuck shore]

❌

There’s only one author of journals

[wanton tusk]

Pretty sure there's a Minecraft mod that at least adds the Desert Scourge.

[stark basalt]

I’m feeling silly and goofy rn lore chat

[wheat walrus]

good start talking about lore

[stuck shore]

Is Torch God an extension of Providence?

[wheat walrus]

torch god only extends outside of calamity's canon, in the sense that it only exists there (it's not canon)

[spring helm]

ARK OF THE COSMOS STRONGEST WEAPON FR FR

BIOME BLADE BEST LINE

how did the ark of the ancients split into two swords to become ark of the elements

[hoary berry]

the terrarian threw it in a hissy fit

[spring helm]

trying to work with the materials drove the terrarian insane and he threw the aota to the ground and it broke in two

"Damn that looks like a pair of scissors... I HAVE AN IDEA!"

[hoary berry]

then we throw celestial materials at it and it magically functions correctly

as if it were always a pair of scissors, and never just a broken sword

[spring helm]

i read this in the spoiler talk channel

and yes

galaxia is just true biome blade with distortion attunement

it's canon

GASP

[hoary berry]

if throudon said so it must be true

[spring helm]

ATTUNEMENT???

like

AURIC DRAGON ATTUNEMENT????

[hoary berry]

omg

ark of the cosmos

has auric bars

[spring helm]

biome blade auric attunement when

[spring helm]

holy shit

[hoary berry]

therefore, dragon = star???

fovos dragon all along??

[spring helm]

dragons are star level confirmed??

[hoary berry]

dragon from beyond the stars???

[hoary berry]

we need omni on this stat

[spring helm]

@wheat walrus confirmed???

it all makes sense now

the reason why auric dragons were so strong

they were ALIENS

THEY INVADED TERRARIA AND SPLIT ITS SOUL TO TAKE ITS POWER

[hoary berry]

OMG

they were runaways

[wheat walrus]

whar

[hoary berry]

fovos was just looking for his missing children

but they got rebellious

[spring helm]

even more proof that yharim was in the wrong

dragons are the bad guys of calamity

[hoary berry]

not that we need anymore of that

this entire conversation is what happens when i have too much time off school

dumb to the extreme

it's great

[crimson finch]

[visual kiln]

there is yea

eoc too

[crimson finch]

I wish there was a texture pact that turned Apollo & Artemis into just the twins

[wanton tusk]

Oh Gods, Artemis & Apollo/Retinazer & Spazmatism pallet swap.

[stuck shore]

Why Christmas and Halloween not calamity canon?

[hoary berry]

religious holidays ig

[sinful adder]

In order for them to exist youd need Christianity to exist in calamity

Which fucks up everything

[solar wharf]

because that implies christanity, which implies the existence of jesus which is uh, questionable

[wanton tusk]

Is it Homeward Journey that adds Jesus as a boss?

[stark basalt]

Yes it is

[hoary berry]

that sounds wild

[stuck shore]

Damn HJ stole the spot

[chrome wagon]

guys is the story documents comes from original creator?

[stark basalt]

Like the lore doc?

[chrome wagon]

yes

[stark basalt]

That’s from the lore writers n stuff

[chrome wagon]

whispers

[stark basalt]

Oh wait like what you get from killing bosses?

Those are from Yharim

[chrome wagon]

this texts

is it just writen by fans or real story of characters

[hoary berry]

that is real

[stark basalt]

This is totally official

[hoary berry]

the notes (indicated by the dash before the text) are often made by someone outside of the team, so aren't necessarily accurate

[stark basalt]

There are comments from lore writers under certain bits

Wait I thought the team wrote those

My bad

[hoary berry]

i think some of the comments are a little outdated?

but most of them are just inferences and clarifications anyway

[stark basalt]

They just updated them for the draetalk update

[chrome wagon]

im thinking about a 30-40 pages comic book about lore so thats good to have original resources

[chrome wagon]

are they updated continually?

[stark basalt]

The lore doc and the faq doc are the most accurate things we have

[stark basalt]

Yeah, with each new major update. If they add lore

It’s kept pretty much totally lore accurate as far as we know

[hoary berry]

of course, it only contains public info

so take any inferences you can make as of now with a pinch of salt

[stark basalt]

Exactly

[hoary berry]

especially given that yharim is biased and often incorrect source (he is speaking in the lore items)

[stark basalt]

Take Yharim’s description of storm weaver

Draedon disagrees with Yharim’s assessment

[hoary berry]

the only fully unbiased things are bestiary entries - even draedon is uncertain about some stuff

[chrome wagon]

ohh,so when we can see the full story abt calamity?

[stark basalt]

Mostly lore doc

Faq doc

And bestiary

[hoary berry]

iirc most of it isn't even public

[stark basalt]

That has everything that we currently know

[hoary berry]

but all of what we have is in the lore doc (& faq) and dev statements in this server

[stark basalt]

Faq doc is subject to change, but it’s all dev statements

[solar wharf]

hello aido, hello everyone else

[stark basalt]

Hi duck

[hoary berry]

hello duck

godzilla duck, in fact

[chrome wagon]

hello

[chrome wagon]

ehh,at least its good to have little bit info abt characters

[stark basalt]

Exactly

It’s enough to hold us over

This last update just gave us tons of info with the draedon talk stuff

[hoary berry]

SSO is going to be like a twenty course meal for us

[chrome wagon]

i was trying to understand calamitas ingame dialouge so i ended up with lore

im confused

[stark basalt]

Calamitas sees us as another Yharim

That’s the whole reason she fights us pretty much

[solar wharf]

dialogue is also outdated but im pretty sure that concept is staying the same when a dialogue rework arrives?

[chrome wagon]

she says u are like him or smh?

she means yharim?

[stark basalt]

I believe so

[hoary berry]

yharim also wants us to be something of a second him

in that he wishes for us to kill the more gods

[chrome wagon]

terraria gods are bad in lore?

or its just yharims opinion

[solar wharf]

no faction is absolute good or bad

bad gods did exist, yharim is right about that

yharim is wrong in that

[stark basalt]

Yharim’s opinion based on Yharon’s perspective

[solar wharf]

all gods are bad

[solar wharf]

which is biased against gods, and biased toward dragons

[stark basalt]

Gods mostly likely had to kill dragons to get their souls, but we don’t know what dragons were like

[solar wharf]

we have a hint in the bestiary of providence

she had rightful fury toward the flame dragon

[stark basalt]

Yeah

[solar wharf]

bestiary is confirmed to be non biased

and that rightful fury justified the flame dragon's death

because otherwise, it wouldnt be rightful

[stark basalt]

I personally don’t believe that all gods, not all dragons were bad

It’s not black and white

[solar wharf]

ye

[stark basalt]

I feel like Silva will be a more positive example of a god

Especially compared to Providence

[solar wharf]

providence is probably like one of the most evil gods

[stark basalt]

Providence seems like her whole ideals got perverted by her newfound power

But she seemed questionable before her ascension

Just based on how she treated the guardians

[solar wharf]

doesn't she unironically support suicide

[chrome wagon]

is wrath of the gods connected with calamitys lore or just another mod?

[stark basalt]

It’s based on calamity’s old lore

It’s outdated

[hoary berry]

even then, it is only loosely based on old lore

[stark basalt]

Yeah

Especially nameless

Nameless isn’t xeroc at all

[chrome wagon]

cant i say calamitas and yharim good or bad?

or theres good and bad ways

[stark basalt]

Good and bad

[brisk frigate]

yharim is bad, scal not good

[stark basalt]

Calamitas did really shitty things, but she was also indoctrinated as a child

[solar wharf]

calamitas has bad actions, good intentions, yharim is both

[brisk frigate]

but scal is trying to be good

[stark basalt]

Yharim hides his bad actions behind a false sense of heroism

Bottom line is he personally lead a genocide against not only gods, but their followers as well

It was never just about killing the gods, but anyone who followed their ideals as well

Calamitas had her own reasons for following Yharim, possibly from a sadistic nature that she no longer has

[chrome wagon]

scal is not dying right?

[stark basalt]

Scal isn’t dying

[chrome wagon]

dialouges changes

2nd time

[brisk frigate]

she's not been dying for a while

[hoary berry]

yharim is dying sort of

very old man

[stark basalt]

Yharim is in his physical prime tho

[solar wharf]

draedon followed him because resources!!!

[stark basalt]

Yerrrr

[hoary berry]

yeah he's mega strong

[stark basalt]

Stronger than Braelor and Statis

Physically stronger than almost everyone in lore

[solar wharf]

pretty sure dreadon disagrees with yharims intention, its just that he gained more working with him than not

[hoary berry]

i was quite shocked when we learned how recent that fight between yharim and the gay couple was

[stark basalt]

Draedon doesn’t comprehend morale the same way that we do

[hoary berry]

i was expecting it to be way further back

not just about a year before our journey

[solar wharf]

and draedon didnt disagree with yharim intentions because "nah thats fucked up to do"

its more like

"studying gods wouldv been fun tho"

[stark basalt]

No yeah. It’s crazy. We’re def gonna find Braelor still alive in the distortion

[stark basalt]

Draedon in a nutshell

[brisk frigate]

and the remaining dragon too

[solar wharf]

yharon kept his distance from draedon

[brisk frigate]

he'd find studying yharon interesting

[brisk frigate]

has that stopped draedon before, doubtful

[solar wharf]

i dont think draedon wants to be on yharim's bad side

but he did confirm he did study yharon

[stark basalt]

Def not

[solar wharf]

just barely

[stark basalt]

But he doesn’t care lol

[chrome wagon]

draedon is the one who created mech bosses right?

also the labs in the world

[hoary berry]

yeah

[chrome wagon]

okey guys thanks about the informations

[pliant ruin]

i love blong

[spring helm]

you want the full story of calamity?

go to the calamity patreon

give fabsol $70

and then ask him

her?

what pronouns does fabsol use?

[pliant ruin]

any

[spring helm]

uni/corn

[pliant ruin]

in order to get the full lore of calamity you must first travel to the highest mountain

there will be a large cave defended by a troglodyte wielding a large club there

[cloud ibex]

you must play grime and then go "damn this game is better than terraria"

[pliant ruin]

you must get past the troglodyte in one way or the other

[cloud ibex]

and then your soul will be cleansed because you will no longer feel the need to play terraria

[spring helm]

i dont even play the game anymore tbh

i just like