#lore-discussion
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just not with his hands
Drae don pollo
if you rearrange draedon and add a few letters and remove some then it spells "one piece"
what does this mean?????
The dragons after finally sealing Fovos: "Where is our king?"
Suspiciously Zeratros shaped Xeroc:
THE ONE PIECE

THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
If you rearrange the letters in gay robots and change some it spells draedon
CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER
If you take the word Draedon and just throw it away and make a new word you get "Yharim caused 9/11"
What did the devs mean by this
If you take the word Draedon you have the word Draedon
what
if you rearrange the letters in "undertale" it says "nut dealer"
what lore implications does this hold
🤯
John Elden wore a ring
John Ultimus Cleavus
elden ring when lord of the rings
Elden Ring when Onion Ring walks in
elden ring when shangchi and the ten rings
Elden ring fans when adolescent necklace fan walks into the room

Fetal Bracelet
(+2 minion slots)
Fetal Garment
Onion Ring when (phone rings) hang on i need to take this
Ok but does it give you a consort
Elden Ring when Elden Ring walks into the room
No
Walks to the room when elden ring elden ring
Does she count
No
im summoning the guy
Robot
Fuck !
monster hunter
No
the hunter monster
that man shall not see the light of lore discussion
me when i kill desert scourge (it's a monster i'm hunting)
That monster I hunted was pretty strong.....
This implies there is light here
There is only darkness for you
The abyss looks like the sun compared to this place
Monster hunter when Human farmer walks in
human gatherer
Damn nobody told me amazon was in mh
Human Farmer 
Human Farmer
Another win for corn
this is what hospitals dont want us to see: people being grown in soil.
ITS ALL A HOMOPHOBIC PLOT, YOU DONT NEED A WOMAN AND A MAN TO FORM A CHILD, YOU NEED SOIL FERTILIZERS AND WATER
(formerly known as terra ray)
you eat terra rays for breakfast?
I would
I liked the idea of the Sacrifice God being an advisor to people that would guide them to make the right sacrifices for a better enriching life, other than just sacrificing 3 babies & 12 baby goats for a bountiful harvest / surviving
Wait if the Perennial ore is Silvia’s doing, and it can be used to craft a golden shower upgrade, im scared to know what fluid is being shot out of the tome.
It’s better be like
Pure lime juice
I’m not too invested in the lore yet, but how do you guys think the jungle plague spreads (if it does)
Also if the star that creates the astral infection appears after wall of flesh, how did stuff like astrum aureus happen?
I think if it gets inside someone, then their infected right?
Well silva is a god
And ichor is god blood
It checks out
Draedon is still making stuff
basically, the Astral Infection hits Terraria and Draedon goes "oh shit, that looks interesting" and sends an Aureus unit to go look at it. It gets infected because it doesn't have sapience, and shortly after we kill it
Why her blood green
Plants or something idk?
Does Draedon have a bunch of them?
It would also be safe to assume that he's still got a bunch of the normal mechs probably.
If dudes still got war machines like these, taking over Terraria in it's current state while still difficult, he'd definitely be able to cause tons of damage before he's stopped.
I think if draedon really cared to take over terraria, he could. But he doesn't really have any reason to, unless he wants to turn it into some kind of experiment.
It seems that he made the exo mechs not to take over the world, but simply because making them was a scientific advancement
his ambitions lie beyond terraria
if you guys were to tier calamity characters using vsbattleswiki's tiering system (if oyu know what that is), where would you put them
wait so then if infection hits right when the terrarain beats wall of flesh
Calamitas ain't sh*t when faced with the power of...sending the ocean to hell!!!
how did draedon study it?
he was working with yharim iirc
so that was way before us no?
By doing so after it fell
oh
He can't study it if he has no place to study it yet
Not every event nessesarily needs to have happened before the game started
So Draedon sends an Aereus unit after our battle with the WoF. It gets taken over sometime during our battles with the mechs and our escapades in the jungle.
drilling the ocean into hell? a famous passtime
ye but when said event hits as the game happens, and draedon claims to study it while also claiming that he wouldnt really bother with space travel til way later
Peak of the story sits around Island
confusion starts to happen
Noxus and Xeroc are stronger than that but they are massive outliers and I don't count them
I think Xeroc is Planetary if he was at his absolute strongest.
Country imo
so, yharim and the player are the most powerful calamity figures presumably, if you minus noxus and xeroc
the player is weird cause they justk inda keep growing, but is yharim someone you'd put on island level?
Top 3 is
Xeroc
Terrarian
Noxus
Yeah
Yharim's power level to me is stupidly similar, if not identical to Kaido's
Which is around island level
havent gotten that far in one piece yet so ill take your word for it
Someone like Yharon must be super capable of mass destruction if they can create giant fire tornadoes.
Endgame boi's scale higher than that.
It's strange thinking about the real scale.
The tornadoes would be surprisingly effective but not that much
Remember they don't last for very long, around 15 seconds or so
I think Provi to Yharon all rank around City Level
They could destroy some houses in their lifespan. He could always make more too.
I still believe that Xeroc COULD destroy a planet if he went beyond at his best.
Feels unsatisfying to just leave it at country too-
at best, xeroc would just ravage a planets surface rather than destroy it tbh
Where is calamatis at, considering she incinerated an entire sea
Xeroc could destroy a planet if you gave them like, two years
for me atleast
OH!
Xeroc vs Boros! (OPM)
Which I don't consider to be "planetary level"
ppl really dont realize how hard it is to destroy an entire planet
Assuming it took time, still country level.
*Island
My brain was on autopilot
To me a feat is only really counted as one in the case of
xeroc doesnt strike me as the type of guy to have sufficient knowledge about the weakness of a planet
o
worded badly
yeah i couldnt think of how to word it
"The character can do this under a reasonable timeframe and without having to rest"
And ya got DBZ characters snapping their fingers and atomizing entire solar systems.
Hey Rebecca I have a lore question
like unless you can just go "skadoosh" and like atomize the planet i dont really think you're planetary ngl
What if Silva was banished to space or the moon or something instead of the abyss?
Would she tame the astral infection and astrum deus?
Me omw to mine every block to put the terrarian at planetary level
They're both worm bosses, him and Jared
I cannot answer that because there are a lot of implications
dont see what there is to tame if astral infection is considered alive, wouldnt she just strengthen it?
I really want to see a fight between big worm monster and Lord of the Moons.
I think it would be stupidly close.
And I'd need to run into a bunch of hypotheticals with no clear answer
the bestiary seems to imply it was a "model" of machine, meaning there was definitely more
(also their original purpose was to survey battlefields, which is pretty cool)
But if you want my answer, I think Silva would die if she ever went outside of Terraria
Survey battlefields with power surpassing the mechs? Draedon's been upping his game in the pass time.
While in her "dead" state
And what if Moon Lord was imprisoned in the abyss instead? His body would be like a whale fall for the creatures there, instead of planet mush we'd have like, celestial blood clots, or something
i think moonlord is too powerful to be imprisoned there no?
Oh, I assumed Silva would be connected to life in space as qell
Maybe she'd just form a new body, which is perfectly reasonable actually considering you can't truly kill an Elemental
At full power, absolutely, but weakened and sealed, maybe not?
you gotta remember, even beaten up moonlord is still able to compete with the gods, silva was like half dead, and thats when they could imprison her
Yeah, but still, she will not die
I mean, if she decided to venture to the Distortion? No, obviously she'd still be able to live there to the best of her capacities
But if she was thrown in the Distortion?
I think she'd need to completely reform her body
I guess that makes sense, but I imagine she could form a new body from astral stuff and/or distortion stuff
Fovos was responsible for the fall of like 95% of the dragons iirc.
Moon Lord still being strong enough to compete with the Terrarian at the beginning of their endgame and the gods like you said is still impressive. I think he's close to Providence's level in terms of power and dude is just a zombie like corpse, fresh from being free.
"life, uh, finds a way" after all
ye im saying, i dont think dragons could imprison fovos in the abyss
hes just too strong
Tbh Elementals only count stuff in Terraria
Otherwise we'd run into
Fucked problems
Anahita procceeds to hold power over water in the entire universe
Anyways I'm imagining the moon lord chained to the walls of the abyss with celestial chains, like the Titan Chronos in the pit of tartarus in Greek mythology
The best they could do was put him on the Moon.
They were literally unable to kill him for good. Fovos was just built different.
And don't even get me started on Sand Elemental having control over any rocky planet
if brimstone elemental was fire in general...
some mf on the planet GLOPTHUNGO drinking his water when anahita throws a fit:
I feel like you explain this but there not being other planets
i wonder if mars does exist, does it have its own elementals? if so does it have something similar to auric souls
like a world soul
Basically, Elementals domain is limited to Terraria. They may have a better affinity in understanding otherwordly components, but it's not their domain
can anahita put chemicals in water to turn things drinking it gay
I think the Elementals powers could be limited to just Terraria where they assumedly came from-and there we go.
~~like how earth and namek have their own individual sets of dragon balls?
~~
How do you think the Leviathan happened? 
This is my headcanon now
If so, then are there elementals of other worlds? Distorted versions of all the elementals maybe?
Levi gay canon?
real ?
What is up with mars
if thats true, what if noxus is an elemental...
THE WATER ELEMENTAL IS TURNING THE GIANT SEA SUPERPREDATORS GAY
Insert frogs gay
The deal with Mars is that I wanted to fucking rename it graaaaah
ploo
py
You have Terraria which is cool and awesome
levi's entire motivation is defending her girlfriend cause she's pretty
And then you have MARS
At least give it a cooler name, man
so make it a different planet that has no connection to sol mars
?

But even then, there must be another world with its own world soul and elementals I think?
No, literally just give it a different name. Like
Mars me adjuvat
Terraria is literally Just Earth
Maybe Mars' world soul died?
Mars can be Just Mars
I agree
Just have it use a different name
what if terraria is abnormal and the rest of the planets are the normal ones, what if a world soul isnt suppose to exist
its a special thing
Sram
Call it gleebokeeptorg
Smarms
home of the keepzorgians
make them despise cheese
Anyways Mars is interesting
Sera (ares backwards)
You'll probably get to know a little more about it later
Was there a god that named themselves Zeus in the lore?
Very good! Draedon will no doubt be interested!
fucking draedon man, he aint spilling the beans about em
even tho we got attacked by them
Make the Greek names things be their roman equivalents backwards
The Martians that attack us aren't a threat at all in the grand scheme of thingies. I don't think we should be too worried about what lies beyond...at least closer to us anyway.
or is it?
A shame the martians have to attack, they could just, like, not. And try to be nice instead.
whats stopping them from just... moving in anyway
there is like, no big country to stop them, our continent seems pretty empty
Like the probe scans you and then boom, they attack?
THATS
WHAT IM SAYING
no need to be assholes
they are weak af
so violence becomes the answer?
The saucers are kinda strong ish
shouldnt it be like, the other way around
But not very
yeah, there's no other answer
i'd assume they are only weak because their home planet
it has to be this way
is kinda... dead
i mean, aliens already exist with the confirmation of fovos
and celestial pillars
so i wonder how many civilizations are out there
Something I talked about in the Hypnoscord regarding the Cal lore stuff
Terraria but it took place on Neptune or something
For the realm we're in? Even the certified b*tch worm can take down many of those with no issue-
And Moon Lord. Or Providence.
EoL or Lunatic Cultist could take on a few.
Isn't Fovos meant to be the name people gave him when he showed up and not his actual genuine name
marsians are just little snacks with legs
No iirc
ye i think
sky civilization
theylooked at it and was like ""AHHH!!! SCARY!! FOVOS (fovos is their word for scary)
yes it were sky people who named ml
Imagine being named scary
dread
Your parents must have hated you
That’s one letter away from bread
And I hate people named bread
Where has this been said?

dev statement
Im pretty sure you can find it here if you look up "fovos" in search tab
Alr, found it
Now I'm even sadder about how Cthulhu is just a name for big monster shit
you can read calamity faq in lore document
They aren't even that weak
They're post golem enemies
cthulhu thing was stated here
They're two tiers below celestial pillar enemies
yes we can
in a grand scheme of things they are
The average person is platinum armor tier
They are on the higher end of the half of the game
They're fucking insane compared to normal people
Like, if you considered the start of the game a 0 and Yharim a 1
Hypnoscord is very against the new lore, but tbh I can see a lot of their points and I agree with a good few
Martians are a 0.5 - 0.6
the context was about continent that we, the player, are located rn
normal people are basically nonexistent here
Town npcs
and power threshold is pretty high compared to normal countries
And they are still above the average, if you consider the average to be half the game 
Yeah, I was going to say I consider Plantera as the midpoint
So ye they're textbook above average
IF you consider the middle of the game as average
Which it's not. As much as this is a case of lacking content, there is stupidly few things who can truly compete beyond Plantera
You have Hardmode Dungeon, Martians, Celestial Pillars, Profaned Enemies
And all the Bosses, of course
in a ideal world plague enemies and pbg would be post ml
That would be so cool
by ideal world i mean a world where calamity follows my specific desires for it cuz im like uhmm im cheese
:plumg:
hi chase
local queen bee is stronger than remains of ancient god who demolished almost all of the dragons kin
Things the new lore does that I'm not fond of (Alongside the Hypnoscord) are:
- Empress not being a goddess and Astrum Deus not being a god
Deus isn't really executed well anyways as a being that could revered as a deity without actually being one, and Empress was just turned into an "emissary of the Primordial Light", whatever that means - Cthulhu going from a character to just a term to describe big spooky shit
- Calamitas' sheer power is just ????????, even with the little explanation we have available
- The World Soul is fucking stupid, I'm sorry.
- Forgotten Archives having nothing inside it that tells you world building stuff or the lore, it only exists as a CV and Polter arena
Hypnoscord members are far more volatile towards the new stuff than I am, but this is common ground I and the members there stand on
nuh, he's fine
1 - Calamity never even bothered to define a God before and Empress being a Goddess would step on too much, remember we need to make a character for the Gods, they are actual people.
2 - We aren't making Cthulhu a part of Cal. It's another character, from another story entirely.
3 - You don't even know half the reason for Calamitas power being a thing.
4 - Why?
5 - Guess what we want to do?
My new favourite piece of feedback is "fucking stupid"
new lore isn't even complete yet and here we are
Also yes archives having books that tell stories is something that's been planned since from the ashes update
Sorry
Wasn't aware of all this
Now make those people aware as well
You forget that we can't just write things out of the blue and add them into the game. We carefuly think about what we want to put where and the Archives have the potential to tell so much we don't want to spend it on information we can relay through other means
at the very least new lore is now a fundamentally stable thing and is not a subject to the major changes
...right?

It is
That's the Big Thing from the lore rewrite, it won't get rewritten again
If it does that's because the entire writing team vanished and somehow the new one wants to tear everything apart again

Rebecca don't go into a dark alleyway tomorrow at midnight
surely such a thing wouldn't happen
Anyways, of the complaints you brought up, I can see the first one at least
Deus being a "false" God isn't conveyed well enough imo
NO LITTLE CALAMITY DEV, DONT GO INTO THE WEED CAVE!
Weeden Smoken
Empress being a Goddess would be a catastrophe because then we'd need to make a proper character out of Cenx's self insert
Which, imo, would be incredibly insulting
To her
would she actually care tho
World soul is a good idea imo. I don't understand your opinion. Cthulhu was also never a character in vanilla either. There's like one old retconned lore thing where he's mentioned, and it contradicts a bunch of things anyways
We also haven't seen all the planned stuff yet
its more a matter of respect
right sure
Cthulhu not being character is a matter of principles
We are not making a character be
where tf would he fit
Literally Cthulhu from Lovecraft's mythos
Yeah that would suck
If he was just our Moon Lord but called Cthulhu, that'd just be bleh
Most stories that use the character get it very wrong anyways
And Lovecraft kinda lame imo
hot take
hatemine
And the other two aspects are, imo, quite simply a matter of not having enough information
How Cal's power works is unknown and so is most things about the World Soul
the witch of izalith and the first flame, oh yes
Also what's this hypnos place. Sounds shitty

People just love being assholes sometimes, I think.
oh mein gott zis is home of ze god of BLUNTSMOCKEN

Bye bye people
byebye
isnt she the goddess of life and of fire? 
some people also just don't like cal for reasons of... sometimes varying validity
I completely understand not liking fabsol, they've done some incredibly shitty things, but the mod is without a doubt the best terraria mod in terms of quality, or at least in the top 4
ccr discord from what i remember
they might have gotten their own separate server i left ages ago
Yeah it's that place
It's interesting how that place is both funny and nice, while also just kinda turning into a circlejerk of "Calamity bad" at times
yeah theres a reason i left before i got ingrained
so glad terraria modding doesn't actually exist
I haven't left it becuase there are people there who I respect and the interactions I have there are nice, but that doesn't make it free from being depressing to be in at times ngl
i remember ages ago there was a calamity offshoot subserver where i saw someone saying they were witnessing the downfall of calamity because they were implementing the new version of the suggestions bot in here
that was kinda funny
The fate of most calamity related space, it evolves into calamity bad circlejerk over time
what a cruel world it is
The new bot is in place, billions will die
billions in question
Nah he’d win
“Calamity bad” mfs when ccr wouldn’t exist without calamity
community remix i'd guess
I se
Calamity Community Remix
The irony is that a lot of the people who work on it seem to heavily dislike Calamity itself
idk i just generally hate when a place feels constantly miserable
so like calart
like when calart gets into another convo shittalking cal and saying they want to kill fab with a jackhammer or whatever
What is the lore reason an evil Terrarian does not actively kill the NPC's assumedly?
slave labor
You sell them your junk and you use the money you get from that to buy actually useful stuff from them
It's like a really shitty barter system
relashionship between npc and terrarian is up to interpretation
Merchant is my go to guy for selling. He gets the previlage of living in the nice house with me while everyone else gets boxes-
and also every enemy in the world carries a big bag of spare change for some reason
10000 pieces of bone from a cursed dungeon for a single mushroom that makes you high
fair enough
worthy trade imo
Maybe I should make another house. One where I sentence people when I feel like it for being too smelly or non useful.
are npcs respawning with different names canonical or is that just for gameplay purposes
most of npcs have no lore whatsoever
respawning isnt canon regardless
yeah ik player respawning isn't but juuuust in case
my favorite part of vanilla is how apparently the dryad npc is the last dryad alive however there's also an infinite amount of them showing up after she dies
flawless
if only vanilla had lore
moonlord is actually your character's dad(real)
real
We grow them out of the ground
Also I’m surprised by how weak the elementals are, especially Anahita
You’re telling me that fighting the water elemental while she’s in an ocean is below island level?
Couldn’t she just muster up a tsunami and sink one?
I’ll accept this explanation for the others since Calamitas beat up Brimstone and Storm elemental kinda split up to hide from Yharim’s army, so she would be weakened
That would beach levi which is not ideal

Make a bigger tsunami, the ocean is right there
Neg diffed by a corpse I can’t believe it
Silva’s just built different I guess
me when spreading misinformation
I assume it was before crusade
so silva wasn't a corpse at that point
How would she get banished there without at least being knocked unconscious
Well there are some ways I suppose
Seturn to Rlime
But I doubt Silva was in fighting shape either times she was banished into the abyss
she is indeed constructed in a subatomicaly extraordinary way

hi, i was the one who made a lot of these points. to sum up my own personal responses to each bullet:
1 - step on stuff how, exactly? it feels like y'all are a bit too hands off with the stuff vanilla does, even going as far to diminish the characters that exist in it by default. it makes me question why this story is even built off terraria at all (also i really do not see the self insert thing. they're visually similar in some ways but they're way too different to actually call one. if they were offended you'd write a character for them despite not being an insert, they'd certainly be way more offended yharim insults them nonstop in their lore item). also the mod really needs to rename astrum deus if they're going to be sticking with this draconic auric soul business, having the 'star god' not actually be a god is kind of a whole lot of bluh especially when the slime god is because ???; it certainly has far more impact on the universe at large than the sludge does. if there's many different versions of the same species, why can't there be multiple kinds of god?
2 - unfortunately, you kinda can't snip cthulhu completely out of the story no matter what you do because he's fundamentally part of terraria's identity, and he's even the final vanilla boss (moon lord). i understand yall are trying to make your story stand on it's own, but you really are putting way too much work on yourself trying to completely scrub the hands of the stuff you're building off rather than interlinking things together. refer to point 1 (this is a good story but it really shouldn't be stuck in the skin of another game).
3 - can't comment on this, not enough lore as it stands.
4 - simply put, it's very 'thrown in' as it is. the world soul as it stands is mentioned offhand a single time in a single entry as an explanation for a single thing, and there's 100% a lot of ways lore about it could be integrated into the story outside of the archive. speaking of:
5 - i actually disagree with this one; the archive really really really does not need a hundred pages of lore when there's already so much of that as-is. the mod has a SEVERE problem with telling and not showing; it's tricky to integrate all this stuff, i do understand why it's the way it is, but i really hope a lot of the unnecessary stuff gets trimmed down. there's a lot of value in leaving stuff vague at times, overexplaining can take you out of the story.
make no mistake i do really enjoy the story you guys have, but i am a writer myself, so i wanna offer my two cents where i can to help yall improve stuff where possible
god has no power or influence requirements, the only requirement is that it consumed an auric soul, which astrum deus has not
Ploo
i have addressed that this is a very boring way of taking the story
making it a binary yes/no instead of making it a wide range makes it feel less organic
I would argue blurring the line is the biggest problem of old lore

thing is its inherently not organic
a god is not a natural occurrence
you're placing a bit too wide a scope
the issue with the binary explanation is it leaves a lot of confusing threads
Like?
from what i can tell the only thread left over is deus specifically
what about golem
not a god
hes a cool guy
an idol
Simping?
Also about the empress thing
Her title is an empress there's nothing divine about her
And astrum deus is the only divine being who has a latin name

b estiary
No other named god has the title deus
literally calls them one
you have to ignore the fact they're still called one INGAME for the lore to make sense
ok I didn't read bestiary true
vanilla bestiary when it exists
Astrum deus
When a star begins to die, under normal circumstances, its power simply fades as it falls to the nearest celestial body. However, some dying stars bloat and fester before falling. Astrum Deus exists to consume these stars before the Astral Infection manifests in them, and it has been revered for its sacred duty since time immemorial.
Sky God?
refer to point 1, the mod's story exists in the skin of terraria but seems afraid to be related to it
which is very... ???
iirc there were plans to rewrite conflicting vanilla bestiary entries
related to nonexistent story of terraria with no official lore
calamity is a fanfiction of terraria 
damn
objectively this is true
which is why it's confusing there's pretty much nothing from the basegame actually considered properly in the lore
it's like it wants to not be terraria
dungeon and cultists
you don't NEED to erase the original story to tell a new one
if not a full rewrite of the entry just changing the conflicting info
they're both placed well in the story

vanilla doesnt HAVE a story
Yeah true
it does actually have a story, the difference is it isn't spoonfed to you because you come in after it's already ended

the way vanilla approaches lore is different from how the mod does it because it doesn't binarily tie stuff to certain characters
literally 
it leaves things to interpretation
you can piece SOME stuff together from bestiary
yes this is literally it vanillas story is completely up to player interpretation there is nothing solid
.
it leaves like 90% of the story up to interpretation
is it really a story if you have to make up almost all of it yourself?
waking up from a slumber...
his words and how the game is actually laid out tell different tales
how to not tell a story
you have minor amounts of info that a lot of the time dont fit together in any coherent way
ehhh? i'm not going to get into the can of worms of vanilla's storytelling because it's pretty obvious the majority of it only happeend for 1.4
trying to tie a bunch of unrelated stuff together is a fool's errand which is actually the exact issue with cal, a lot of stuff was added just 'cuz
you can't say there isn't a story because there is one, it's just Very not focused on
I don't see the issue with it
Ok that's a lie
I only see issue with duke fishron lore
the fishrons are a whole thing
Mmm fish
The new lore is just the embodiment of
Terraria modification fans when the terraria modification modifies the game
Ok but what is point to all of this
I personally don't think it's as big of an issue as you make it out to be
the point of all this is Please Do Not Make ME Read 400 Draedon Entries again
obviously
tbf you cant exactly explain fishrons in a logical sense without making it iffy
fishron's lore was definitely influenced by old duke's very unnecessary existence
This is so true
well yeah but duke's own existence is
very unnecessary

No Duke was a perfect boss
well, they wouldn't do that anymore
objectively, you can't deny he's a joke, even if he's a good boss

he was added ON april fools
duke itself has potential for cool stuff
old duke ends up just being kind of a rehash
deal with it
and it turned out to be the best vanilla boss
it is in fact an objective fact that the best things occur by mistake
there's not enough distinction to make them both interesting
old duke is like. fine as a fight. i guess
old duke is very forced into existence there are a lot more interesting things you could do with a boss for ssea
yeah i dont mind the fight
i just think his lore is really tacked on
Nuclear terror boss
old duke in general is really tacked on
it doesnt help that both sulph sea bosses are, thematically, stronger versions of existing bossss
yeah exactly
nuclear terror would've worked so so so much better as a boss
they're upgraded versions of previous bosses exclusively
Its fine, but it feels like im fighting another duke fishron boss which is probably what the devs wants to
ssea kind of has no identity to call it's own
But
when it comes to boss design
ITS A OPTIONAL BOSS

old duke was made back when fab didnt really treat other devs fairly
im pretty he was added without their knowledge
why do i feel better about this conversation at 4 am than i usually do at like 9 pm
i heard about the old duke story
Also Boomerfish was an April Fools joke
iirc fabsol just Decided to add him
Pretty sure at least
completely at random during the update
iirc
it wasnt completely without their knowledge but it was very sudden
yeah they were still TOLD
but he pretty much just went
'i'm adding this'
and then added it
anyways yes i don't like auric dragon lore
it feels like you need to overlook a lot of stuff to make it work
Adds Old Duke to the mod
Refuses to elaborate further
and it feels very confusing because the gods aren't all strong or anything
frankly dragons are lame
and not all dragons have souls because ???
the ones that don't have souls aren't considered dragons
Auric Soul
it's that shrimple
fishron
ron is not how you spell dragon
draron
it's a butchering of dragon
i though they were called Draconic Offshoots
Auric soul originates from the shattering of World soul
they are
they're child species
draconic offshoots
I don't know what to tell you man it literally isn't even spelled as dragon
but it literally is a chimera of dragon and fish
the spelling doesn't matter
of the same family but not genus i think
that is an objective fact
I can understand dragonfolly not being a dragon but fishron ain't it
and pig cant forget that
and pig
I never even knew fishron was supposed to be a chimera
and pig
did you think the word fishron just existed-
And the only creatures strong enough to wield the soul were the dragons

because what the fuck is a ron
then gods can't exist
the ron could easily be the same thing as shit like mothron
Not you
Yeah
Is mothron a dragon?
my mom
mothron is a butchering of mothra so i don't count it
And what the fuck is a Pigron
Is Ronald McDonald an auric dragon?
fishron but shitty
Yet it exists
Shitron
they dont wield it they basically use a watered down diet auric soul
because of a ritual
Didn't you say ron is a butchering of dragon
yes
silly
in the context of the name fishron
I get it
in the context of the name mothron it doesn't mean anything
it's just a 'copyright switchup'
solar eclipse enemies try not to be references challenge
I just think fishron somehow being a dragon is dumb as fuck, in vanilla and cal
swamp thing
i HAVE joked about mothron being an auric dragon at least before
And i mean here is that Auric Soul choosing dragons as the wielder is a natural thing because theyre the strongest creature thats available
well:
consider this
it's an april fools joke
they didn't think it through
yeah this is a reference
yes I did consider it an april fools joke that's why I think it's dumb as fuck 
every single solar eclipse enemy is a reference to something iirc
Maybe if fishron was only shark instead of fucking fugly pig shart dragon it would be cool
They’re the things from Monsters Vs. Aliens!!!
all of them literally all of them are
i feel like we've lost the plot

And
the auric soul lore
oh offshoots dont have auric souls
i have watched that movie multiple times they are not
once there was flame, and from the flame they came
Actually half of the Auric souls may have gotten into Noxus because he was strong as fuck too


ok but why
peak movie btw
there's a limited amount of x
things that didn't get x are considered inferior by the things that do have x
No one knows
Doctor Cockroach is literally Doctor Fly
nothing is known public of noxus
nobody knows what noxus is except me and a select few others
Swamp Thing is Missing Link
Noxus is my father
wrong
nobody knows about it and nobody ever will
noxus is OUR father
to sum up my thoughts on auric soul lore:


i think it's BETTER? but it still isn't a satisfying explanation imo
who art in heaven?
it's definitely better
no actually who art in the distortion
how did you know my father is in heaven
Were auric souls plasma-y or were they like eating a giant ball of warm but solid butter
not known
they are big thats for sure
dont make me think of wet butter
we don't even know what the ritual is
it’s not wet
the ritual is that i EATED it 💔
It’s like a refrigerated block of butter
It’s still completely solid
But it’s warm
It keeps its shape
meaning its slightly wet
warm butter is wet butter
But it’s in the state of cold butter
one of these days i wanna do my own cal rewrite for fun...
and wet
i think it'd be fun to try and connect it organically with the basegame instead of erasing it
It’s like if ice was warm but didn’t melt or leak water
I will soak you in wet butter
Auric rejection
That’s why we’re talking about butter
NO-
whats going on my ninjas
Weirdoooo
delete the channel
Dude you know what’s crazy? Is that that low taper fade, like meme, dude it is still massive. Yeah. MASSIVE.
i will add all of the bad ideas here to the community remix lore. thank you for your feedback. this channel is CLOSED
Yay!!!
What is Primordial Wyrms body made of
we are officially canceled
does anybody even know this
i don't know what their deal is anymore

flesh and chitin i think
He’s made of meat
might be keratin instead of chitin tho
Claritin ?
The point of lore discussion is to discuss lore
Like the allergy meds?
He’s definitely made out of play doh
Hes made out of meds
why the offspring stronger than the actual dragon
abyss
blessed by silva
Heheh t / a/n a/s i/n n /
as for why? she decided to do some trolling ig
TLC
"silva does some trolling" is kind of a lot of lore tbh
it's better this way
only for pw really
Its all because of Silva
and some other abyss stuff
all abyss stuff, no?
not all
isn't a large part of the lore of the biome that she did some fucky when dying and is refusing to actually be dead
there is terminus which related to xeroc
the abysses existence is because she got bitch slapped in there at some point but she doesnt make everything in there tick and isnt directly related to everything
Heres a thing, the underground jungle might be the work of Silva fucking up the ecosystem
well yeah but she kind of is then
if she got the ball rolling then everything after is indirectly her fault
The fact that grass can grow easily without light down there is weird af
even if she personally didn't do anything it's still the result of what she did
i wouldnt really call being comatose at the bottom of the ocean something she did
'being comatose' doesn't stop her from doing stuff though
I will rebuild her
evidently
giving silva a lobotomy

(i remove so much abyss that it isn't considered abyss anymore
We are going to need a lot of glue and duct tapes for this
stand aside theres like 20 other people trying yall look like a damn construction crew
honestly i think a lot of issues came with 1.4 doing some stuff cal already did
yes ! i stole this joke
so they needed to explain a lot of it and it feels Ehh as a result
making summoner good 🙏
you can't tell me night provi was not added because of 1.4
plot holes exists
there is no justification otherwise
idek why she was added
i can check when tho and see if dates line up
because eol is the vanilla sun god and they didn't want to be upstaged by her, is the way i saw it
i'm p sure night provi was born in the 1.4 port
Ok but
i think night provi was 2021?
yeah it's this fact that makes night provi completely unexplainable
it has no reason to exist
it could KIND of be justified before since sun deity but now uHHHH
There is one explanation
is it the one i gave you
we have no knowledge about domain of Providence
Celestial bodies empower your magic at night
2020 actually
where else does that happen
couple months after 1.4 dropped
i do think night provi was added SLIGHTLY before the port
but only after 1.4 came out
night provi was added in 1.4.5.001
when was that update
It might just be exclusive to provi and her magic
august 2020
okay so yeah after 1.4
yeah i said a couple months after 1.4 dropped
100% a reactionary decision to 1.4's own sun boss then

if it happened THAT soon
almost certainly yeah
Providence was a flawed deity
splitting up the powers makes her weak
i shall claim the essence of hers and her guardians

i've heard there IS an explanation for night provi but i... haven't been told it ever
just that it exists
its not public yet
why not
why is it not public if it's in the mod already >:(
there is a difference! i'll tell you in 20 minutes, you won't wanna miss it
sorry im leaving in exactly 19 minutes

i need to find out the truth
holy shit is that 1997 Toyota Corolla?
yeah
Undisposed essence of Dead Gods
so it's just the same? that doesnt track to me
essence of the good gods
but eh
Evil Biomes born from wretched Gods
its different because the existence of benevolent gods goes completely against yharim's ideology
Hallow Biomes born from the benevolent ones
i buy it for the EVIL ones since they're actually organic-like-organic
Thats the reason why they spread a lot
The yharprank is going out of hand
magic 🪄
this discussion has made me want to rewrite calamity lore a billion times more. perhaps i will when i stop being in my block
Start cooking then
i have writers block because i have to write the draetalk entries for calremix :((((((

go to the kitchen
i CANNOT cook yet
we let you cook
you have to cook
i wrote like 8 paragraphs for ONE boss
people are starving
just replace every line with this
sorry! it has soul and i'm the sole writer
i like using it for writing practice
Does draedon have a cake in him
Draedawg
the dog in question
the unforseen consequences cut
Im convinced the only reason that Draedon couldnt stabilize Miracle matter is because he cant find auric for it

assumption auric metal > exo alloy
That's most likely the reason yes
Either that or he never found out about perennial and scoria
Or calamity cores
or galactica singularities
Guide 

we dont, we just mash stuff together and see what happens
Draedon never knew of fovos' existence
It seems like he never explored abyss either so he probably doesn't know about scoria
Idk about perennial and cores though
Perhaps

he did
laserfish is his invention
?
wasnt the fish that shoots laser stated to be one of draedons inventions?
I don't think so
ye
it is his
so he did know what scoria is
he just never really needed it i assume
Wait what is this
If it's bestiary, the wiki bestiary entry is different
It sounds familiar, but it's not Laserfish's Bestiary entry
i found this in the doc?
I haven't read the doc so I have no idea why I feel familiar to it or something similar
its under semi-important entries
idk where it exactly is from lol
oh it is a bestiary
The wiki says this is its bestiary entry: "Its eyes are blinded by bacteria that gather in large sacs on its head. As it swims through the waters, relying on primitive echolocation, the bacteria are able to release concussive blasts to clear its path."
Maybe one of these is an old entry, or the wiki missed part of the entry?
