#lore-discussion

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earnest flare
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Draedon couldn't beat me|| in h||a||nd ||t||o hand combat||

north wigeon
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just not with his hands

scenic olive
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Drae don pollo

crimson finch
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Drake Donald created Draedon

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It’s just that some letters were scratched off 🤯

earnest flare
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if you rearrange draedon and add a few letters and remove some then it spells "one piece"

what does this mean?????

spring helm
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The dragons after finally sealing Fovos: "Where is our king?"

Suspiciously Zeratros shaped Xeroc:

hushed geyser
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THE ONE PIECE IS REAL

humble fog
crimson finch
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CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER

spring helm
scenic olive
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If you take the word Draedon you have the word Draedon
what

earnest flare
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if you rearrange the letters in "undertale" it says "nut dealer"
what lore implications does this hold

crimson finch
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🤯

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A Elder Nut

hushed geyser
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Elder

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Like

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Elden ring

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John Elden

crimson finch
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🤯

real silo
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Include but not limited to

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being phallic

hushed geyser
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John Elden wore a ring

scenic olive
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John Ultimus Cleavus

real silo
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and being a nuisance

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Elden ring fans when elder ning fans walk into the room

earnest flare
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elden ring when lord of the rings

scenic olive
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Elden Ring when Onion Ring walks in

real silo
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elden ring when shangchi and the ten rings

hushed geyser
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Elden ring fans when adolescent necklace fan walks into the room

crimson finch
real silo
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Elden ring when

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Dark sun ring

crimson finch
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Fetal Bracelet

real silo
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(+2 minion slots)

scenic olive
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Fetal Garment

barren sonnet
hushed geyser
real silo
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Well

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Do minions count?

crimson finch
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Elden Ring when Elden Ring walks into the room

hushed geyser
real silo
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Damn !

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Ok but I could argue that

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Virili is a minion and she's pretty humanoid

scenic olive
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Walks to the room when elden ring elden ring

real silo
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Does she count

hushed geyser
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No

spring helm
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im summoning the guy

hushed geyser
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Robot

real silo
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Fuck !

spring helm
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monster hunter

scenic olive
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No

real silo
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the hunter monster

scenic olive
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that man shall not see the light of lore discussion

spring helm
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me when i kill desert scourge (it's a monster i'm hunting)

hushed geyser
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That monster I hunted was pretty strong.....

real silo
hushed geyser
real silo
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The abyss looks like the sun compared to this place

scenic olive
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Monster hunter when Human farmer walks in

real silo
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human gatherer

hushed geyser
scenic olive
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Human Farmer clueless
Human Farmerwires

stark basalt
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Another win for corn

barren sonnet
solar wharf
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ITS ALL A HOMOPHOBIC PLOT, YOU DONT NEED A WOMAN AND A MAN TO FORM A CHILD, YOU NEED SOIL FERTILIZERS AND WATER

scenic olive
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We're all just veggies waiting to be prepped to salads

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Calamitous

woeful patio
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WE SHALL ENJOYTH THE BRIGHT SHINING SUN

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P H O T O S Y N T H E S I S

real silo
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(formerly known as terra ray)

north wigeon
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you eat terra rays for breakfast?

real silo
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I would

crimson finch
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I liked the idea of the Sacrifice God being an advisor to people that would guide them to make the right sacrifices for a better enriching life, other than just sacrificing 3 babies & 12 baby goats for a bountiful harvest / surviving

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Wait if the Perennial ore is Silvia’s doing, and it can be used to craft a golden shower upgrade, im scared to know what fluid is being shot out of the tome.

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It’s better be like

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Pure lime juice

pearl onyx
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I’m not too invested in the lore yet, but how do you guys think the jungle plague spreads (if it does)

humble fog
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It’s nanobots

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They just reproduce and move

pearl onyx
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Also if the star that creates the astral infection appears after wall of flesh, how did stuff like astrum aureus happen?

humble fog
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Jus read lore doc

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In pins

raven terrace
real silo
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And ichor is god blood

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It checks out

clear vessel
crimson finch
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Why her blood green

autumn mango
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Plants or something idk?

crimson finch
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Mmm

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She probably drank too much pine scented cleaning chemicals

raven terrace
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It would also be safe to assume that he's still got a bunch of the normal mechs probably.

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If dudes still got war machines like these, taking over Terraria in it's current state while still difficult, he'd definitely be able to cause tons of damage before he's stopped.

autumn mango
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I think if draedon really cared to take over terraria, he could. But he doesn't really have any reason to, unless he wants to turn it into some kind of experiment.

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It seems that he made the exo mechs not to take over the world, but simply because making them was a scientific advancement

vocal snow
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his ambitions lie beyond terraria

golden oasis
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if you guys were to tier calamity characters using vsbattleswiki's tiering system (if oyu know what that is), where would you put them

raven terrace
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Fellas.

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I have done a legendary Ocean destruction of my own.

solar wharf
raven terrace
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Calamitas ain't sh*t when faced with the power of...sending the ocean to hell!!!

solar wharf
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how did draedon study it?

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he was working with yharim iirc

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so that was way before us no?

manic coral
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By doing so after it fell

solar wharf
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oh

manic coral
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It's that simple

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:p

solar wharf
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i thought he didnt bother with said technology

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unless it was really that close

manic coral
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He can't study it if he has no place to study it yet

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Not every event nessesarily needs to have happened before the game started

raven terrace
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So Draedon sends an Aereus unit after our battle with the WoF. It gets taken over sometime during our battles with the mechs and our escapades in the jungle.

golden oasis
solar wharf
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ye but when said event hits as the game happens, and draedon claims to study it while also claiming that he wouldnt really bother with space travel til way later

spare pier
solar wharf
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confusion starts to happen

spare pier
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Noxus and Xeroc are stronger than that but they are massive outliers and I don't count them

raven terrace
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I think Xeroc is Planetary if he was at his absolute strongest.

spare pier
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Country imo

golden oasis
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so, yharim and the player are the most powerful calamity figures presumably, if you minus noxus and xeroc
the player is weird cause they justk inda keep growing, but is yharim someone you'd put on island level?

raven terrace
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Top 3 is
Xeroc
Terrarian
Noxus

spare pier
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Yharim's power level to me is stupidly similar, if not identical to Kaido's

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Which is around island level

golden oasis
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havent gotten that far in one piece yet so ill take your word for it

raven terrace
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Someone like Yharon must be super capable of mass destruction if they can create giant fire tornadoes.

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Endgame boi's scale higher than that.

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It's strange thinking about the real scale.

spare pier
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The tornadoes would be surprisingly effective but not that much

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Remember they don't last for very long, around 15 seconds or so

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I think Provi to Yharon all rank around City Level

raven terrace
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They could destroy some houses in their lifespan. He could always make more too.

spare pier
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Cal, Exos and Yharim at Island

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And Noxus and Xeroc at Country

raven terrace
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I still believe that Xeroc COULD destroy a planet if he went beyond at his best.

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Feels unsatisfying to just leave it at country too-

solar wharf
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at best, xeroc would just ravage a planets surface rather than destroy it tbh

autumn mango
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Where is calamatis at, considering she incinerated an entire sea

spare pier
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Xeroc could destroy a planet if you gave them like, two years

solar wharf
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for me atleast

raven terrace
spare pier
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Which I don't consider to be "planetary level"

glacial rampart
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ppl really dont realize how hard it is to destroy an entire planet

raven terrace
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*Island

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My brain was on autopilot

spare pier
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To me a feat is only really counted as one in the case of

solar wharf
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o

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worded badly

glacial rampart
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yeah i couldnt think of how to word it

spare pier
raven terrace
sinful adder
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Hey Rebecca I have a lore question

glacial rampart
sinful adder
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What if Silva was banished to space or the moon or something instead of the abyss?

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Would she tame the astral infection and astrum deus?

autumn mango
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Me omw to mine every block to put the terrarian at planetary level

sinful adder
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They're both worm bosses, him and Jared

spare pier
solar wharf
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dont see what there is to tame if astral infection is considered alive, wouldnt she just strengthen it?

raven terrace
spare pier
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And I'd need to run into a bunch of hypotheticals with no clear answer

clear vessel
spare pier
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But if you want my answer, I think Silva would die if she ever went outside of Terraria

raven terrace
spare pier
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While in her "dead" state

sinful adder
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And what if Moon Lord was imprisoned in the abyss instead? His body would be like a whale fall for the creatures there, instead of planet mush we'd have like, celestial blood clots, or something

solar wharf
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i think moonlord is too powerful to be imprisoned there no?

sinful adder
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Oh, I assumed Silva would be connected to life in space as qell

spare pier
sinful adder
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At full power, absolutely, but weakened and sealed, maybe not?

solar wharf
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you gotta remember, even beaten up moonlord is still able to compete with the gods, silva was like half dead, and thats when they could imprison her

sinful adder
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Yeah, but still, she will not die

spare pier
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I mean, if she decided to venture to the Distortion? No, obviously she'd still be able to live there to the best of her capacities

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But if she was thrown in the Distortion?

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I think she'd need to completely reform her body

sinful adder
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I guess that makes sense, but I imagine she could form a new body from astral stuff and/or distortion stuff

raven terrace
sinful adder
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"life, uh, finds a way" after all

solar wharf
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hes just too strong

spare pier
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Tbh Elementals only count stuff in Terraria

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Otherwise we'd run into

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Fucked problems

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Anahita procceeds to hold power over water in the entire universe

sinful adder
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Anyways I'm imagining the moon lord chained to the walls of the abyss with celestial chains, like the Titan Chronos in the pit of tartarus in Greek mythology

raven terrace
spare pier
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And don't even get me started on Sand Elemental having control over any rocky planet

solar wharf
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if brimstone elemental was fire in general...

glacial rampart
sinful adder
solar wharf
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i wonder if mars does exist, does it have its own elementals? if so does it have something similar to auric souls

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like a world soul

spare pier
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Basically, Elementals domain is limited to Terraria. They may have a better affinity in understanding otherwordly components, but it's not their domain

sinful adder
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Yeah also what the hell is up with the martians

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Where do they come from

mighty zenith
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can anahita put chemicals in water to turn things drinking it gay

raven terrace
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I think the Elementals powers could be limited to just Terraria where they assumedly came from-and there we go.

glacial rampart
spare pier
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This is my headcanon now

sinful adder
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If so, then are there elementals of other worlds? Distorted versions of all the elementals maybe?

sinful adder
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What is up with mars

solar wharf
spare pier
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THE WATER ELEMENTAL IS TURNING THE GIANT SEA SUPERPREDATORS GAY

humble fog
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Insert frogs gay

raven terrace
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RUN FOR THE HILLS EVERYONE!

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THEY ALREADY GOT THE FISH

spare pier
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The deal with Mars is that I wanted to fucking rename it graaaaah

pliant ruin
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ploo

crimson finch
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py

solar wharf
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hi cheese

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hi moopie

spare pier
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You have Terraria which is cool and awesome

mighty zenith
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levi's entire motivation is defending her girlfriend cause she's pretty

spare pier
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And then you have MARS

crimson finch
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Huh

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I was addressed

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Wow

spare pier
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At least give it a cooler name, man

solar wharf
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?

crimson finch
sinful adder
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But even then, there must be another world with its own world soul and elementals I think?

mighty zenith
spare pier
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No, literally just give it a different name. Like

humble fog
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Mars me adjuvat

spare pier
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Terraria is literally Just Earth

sinful adder
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Maybe Mars' world soul died?

spare pier
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Mars can be Just Mars

humble fog
spare pier
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Just have it use a different name

solar wharf
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its a special thing

sinful adder
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Sram

pliant ruin
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Call it gleebokeeptorg

sinful adder
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Smarms

pliant ruin
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home of the keepzorgians

solar wharf
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make them despise cheese

spare pier
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Anyways Mars is interesting

solar wharf
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thats needed

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its lore relevant

sinful adder
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Sera (ares backwards)

spare pier
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You'll probably get to know a little more about it later

raven terrace
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Was there a god that named themselves Zeus in the lore?

sinful adder
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Very good! Draedon will no doubt be interested!

solar wharf
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even tho we got attacked by them

sinful adder
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Make the Greek names things be their roman equivalents backwards

raven terrace
solar wharf
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its because they lack resources

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their world is like...

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dead

vocal snow
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or is it?

sinful adder
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A shame the martians have to attack, they could just, like, not. And try to be nice instead.

solar wharf
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whats stopping them from just... moving in anyway

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there is like, no big country to stop them, our continent seems pretty empty

sinful adder
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Like the probe scans you and then boom, they attack?

solar wharf
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WHAT IM SAYING

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no need to be assholes

vocal snow
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they are weak af

solar wharf
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so violence becomes the answer?

sinful adder
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The saucers are kinda strong ish

solar wharf
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shouldnt it be like, the other way around

sinful adder
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But not very

vocal snow
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yeah, there's no other answer

solar wharf
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i'd assume they are only weak because their home planet

vocal snow
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it has to be this way

solar wharf
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is kinda... dead

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i mean, aliens already exist with the confirmation of fovos

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and celestial pillars

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so i wonder how many civilizations are out there

fiery meadow
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Something I talked about in the Hypnoscord regarding the Cal lore stuff

crimson finch
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Terraria but it took place on Neptune or something

raven terrace
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And Moon Lord. Or Providence.

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EoL or Lunatic Cultist could take on a few.

mighty zenith
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Isn't Fovos meant to be the name people gave him when he showed up and not his actual genuine name

vocal snow
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marsians are just little snacks with legs

hollow plaza
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they are just little fellas

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space little goblins

pliant ruin
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sky civilization

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theylooked at it and was like ""AHHH!!! SCARY!! FOVOS (fovos is their word for scary)

vocal snow
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yes it were sky people who named ml

crimson finch
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Imagine being named scary

vocal snow
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dread

crimson finch
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Your parents must have hated you

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That’s one letter away from bread

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And I hate people named bread

fiery meadow
crimson finch
vocal snow
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Im pretty sure you can find it here if you look up "fovos" in search tab

fiery meadow
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Alr, found it

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Now I'm even sadder about how Cthulhu is just a name for big monster shit

vocal snow
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you can read calamity faq in lore document

real silo
vocal snow
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cthulhu thing was stated here

fiery meadow
real silo
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They're two tiers below celestial pillar enemies

vocal snow
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yes we can

vocal snow
real silo
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The average person is platinum armor tier

spare pier
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They are on the higher end of the half of the game

real silo
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They're fucking insane compared to normal people

spare pier
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Like, if you considered the start of the game a 0 and Yharim a 1

fiery meadow
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Hypnoscord is very against the new lore, but tbh I can see a lot of their points and I agree with a good few

spare pier
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Martians are a 0.5 - 0.6

vocal snow
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normal people are basically nonexistent here

real silo
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Town npcs

vocal snow
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and power threshold is pretty high compared to normal countries

spare pier
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And they are still above the average, if you consider the average to be half the game HDfailure

real silo
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The midpoint of the game is plantera

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And these guys are post golem

spare pier
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Yeah, I was going to say I consider Plantera as the midpoint

real silo
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So ye they're textbook above average

spare pier
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IF you consider the middle of the game as average

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Which it's not. As much as this is a case of lacking content, there is stupidly few things who can truly compete beyond Plantera

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You have Hardmode Dungeon, Martians, Celestial Pillars, Profaned Enemies

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And all the Bosses, of course

vocal snow
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aight, marsians are not weak, they are mid af

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Im sold

pliant ruin
crimson finch
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That would be so cool

pliant ruin
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by ideal world i mean a world where calamity follows my specific desires for it cuz im like uhmm im cheese

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:plumg:

real silo
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hi chase

crimson finch
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No more plimg

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Literally 1984

spare pier
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Post Moon Lord?

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Hell no

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I think PBG would at best be very late Hardmode

vocal snow
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local queen bee is stronger than remains of ancient god who demolished almost all of the dragons kin

fiery meadow
# fiery meadow Hypnoscord is very against the new lore, but tbh I can see a lot of their points...

Things the new lore does that I'm not fond of (Alongside the Hypnoscord) are:

  • Empress not being a goddess and Astrum Deus not being a god
    Deus isn't really executed well anyways as a being that could revered as a deity without actually being one, and Empress was just turned into an "emissary of the Primordial Light", whatever that means
  • Cthulhu going from a character to just a term to describe big spooky shit
  • Calamitas' sheer power is just ????????, even with the little explanation we have available
  • The World Soul is fucking stupid, I'm sorry.
  • Forgotten Archives having nothing inside it that tells you world building stuff or the lore, it only exists as a CV and Polter arena

Hypnoscord members are far more volatile towards the new stuff than I am, but this is common ground I and the members there stand on

vocal snow
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who the hell are these hypno guys

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and who gives a two about them

crimson finch
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Who’s this Yharim guy

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Sounds like a loser

vocal snow
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nuh, he's fine

spare pier
real silo
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My new favourite piece of feedback is "fucking stupid"

vocal snow
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new lore isn't even complete yet and here we are

real silo
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Also yes archives having books that tell stories is something that's been planned since from the ashes update

fiery meadow
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Sorry
Wasn't aware of all this

real silo
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Now make those people aware as well

spare pier
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You forget that we can't just write things out of the blue and add them into the game. We carefuly think about what we want to put where and the Archives have the potential to tell so much we don't want to spend it on information we can relay through other means

vocal snow
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at the very least new lore is now a fundamentally stable thing and is not a subject to the major changes

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...right?

real silo
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It is

spare pier
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And also writing is hard

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Shocker

vocal snow
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damn

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thats crazy

real silo
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That's the Big Thing from the lore rewrite, it won't get rewritten again

spare pier
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If it does that's because the entire writing team vanished and somehow the new one wants to tear everything apart again

vocal snow
real silo
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Rebecca don't go into a dark alleyway tomorrow at midnight

vocal snow
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surely such a thing wouldn't happen

spare pier
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Anyways, of the complaints you brought up, I can see the first one at least

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Deus being a "false" God isn't conveyed well enough imo

glacial rampart
crimson finch
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Weeden Smoken

spare pier
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Empress being a Goddess would be a catastrophe because then we'd need to make a proper character out of Cenx's self insert

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Which, imo, would be incredibly insulting

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To her

vocal snow
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would she actually care tho

sinful adder
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We also haven't seen all the planned stuff yet

glacial rampart
vocal snow
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right sure

spare pier
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Cthulhu not being character is a matter of principles

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We are not making a character be

crimson finch
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where tf would he fit

spare pier
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Literally Cthulhu from Lovecraft's mythos

sinful adder
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Yeah that would suck

spare pier
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If he was just our Moon Lord but called Cthulhu, that'd just be bleh

sinful adder
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Most stories that use the character get it very wrong anyways

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And Lovecraft kinda lame imo

vocal snow
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hot take

crimson finch
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hatemine

spare pier
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And the other two aspects are, imo, quite simply a matter of not having enough information

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How Cal's power works is unknown and so is most things about the World Soul

vocal snow
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the witch of izalith and the first flame, oh yes

sinful adder
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Also what's this hypnos place. Sounds shitty

vocal snow
sinful adder
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People just love being assholes sometimes, I think.

cloud ibex
spare pier
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Anyways

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I must eep now

spare pier
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Bye bye people

vocal snow
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byebye

calm patio
vocal snow
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sort of

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still can cause a lot of destruction with her magic

cloud ibex
sinful adder
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I completely understand not liking fabsol, they've done some incredibly shitty things, but the mod is without a doubt the best terraria mod in terms of quality, or at least in the top 4

eager bluff
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they might have gotten their own separate server i left ages ago

vocal snow
fiery meadow
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It's interesting how that place is both funny and nice, while also just kinda turning into a circlejerk of "Calamity bad" at times

eager bluff
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yeah theres a reason i left before i got ingrained

cloud ibex
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so glad terraria modding doesn't actually exist

eager bluff
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so true leon

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true and real

fiery meadow
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I haven't left it becuase there are people there who I respect and the interactions I have there are nice, but that doesn't make it free from being depressing to be in at times ngl

cloud ibex
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i remember ages ago there was a calamity offshoot subserver where i saw someone saying they were witnessing the downfall of calamity because they were implementing the new version of the suggestions bot in here

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that was kinda funny

buoyant inlet
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The fate of most calamity related space, it evolves into calamity bad circlejerk over time

vocal snow
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what a cruel world it is

real silo
vocal snow
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billions in question

fading siren
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Nah he’d win

fading siren
real silo
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what even is ccr

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cool crow ravager

cloud ibex
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community remix i'd guess

real silo
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I se

fiery meadow
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Calamity Community Remix

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The irony is that a lot of the people who work on it seem to heavily dislike Calamity itself

cloud ibex
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idk i just generally hate when a place feels constantly miserable

mighty zenith
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so like calart

cloud ibex
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like when calart gets into another convo shittalking cal and saying they want to kill fab with a jackhammer or whatever

raven terrace
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What is the lore reason an evil Terrarian does not actively kill the NPC's assumedly?

mighty zenith
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slave labor

vocal snow
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they are somewhat useful

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and nonhostile towards us

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we still can kill them tho

real silo
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You sell them your junk and you use the money you get from that to buy actually useful stuff from them

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It's like a really shitty barter system

vocal snow
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relashionship between npc and terrarian is up to interpretation

raven terrace
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Merchant is my go to guy for selling. He gets the previlage of living in the nice house with me while everyone else gets boxes-

north wigeon
real silo
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10000 pieces of bone from a cursed dungeon for a single mushroom that makes you high

vocal snow
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fair enough

vocal snow
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also boosts damage by 50%

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nice

raven terrace
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Maybe I should make another house. One where I sentence people when I feel like it for being too smelly or non useful.

north wigeon
vocal snow
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most of npcs have no lore whatsoever

north wigeon
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gotcha

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it's not about them anyway

calm patio
north wigeon
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yeah ik player respawning isn't but juuuust in case

mighty zenith
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my favorite part of vanilla is how apparently the dryad npc is the last dryad alive however there's also an infinite amount of them showing up after she dies

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flawless

vocal snow
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if only vanilla had lore

forest dune
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moonlord is actually your character's dad(real)

vocal snow
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real

spring helm
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Also I’m surprised by how weak the elementals are, especially Anahita

vocal snow
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maybe they are just weakened

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yknow

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Yharim's hunt and allthat

spring helm
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You’re telling me that fighting the water elemental while she’s in an ocean is below island level?

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Couldn’t she just muster up a tsunami and sink one?

spring helm
# vocal snow maybe they are just weakened

I’ll accept this explanation for the others since Calamitas beat up Brimstone and Storm elemental kinda split up to hide from Yharim’s army, so she would be weakened

real silo
spring helm
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Make a bigger tsunami, the ocean is right there

vocal snow
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anahita got her ass whopped by silva

spring helm
vocal snow
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yep

spring helm
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Silva’s just built different I guess

vocal snow
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me when spreading misinformation

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I assume it was before crusade

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so silva wasn't a corpse at that point

spring helm
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How would she get banished there without at least being knocked unconscious

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Well there are some ways I suppose

crimson finch
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Seturn to Rlime

spring helm
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But I doubt Silva was in fighting shape either times she was banished into the abyss

vocal snow
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she is indeed constructed in a subatomicaly extraordinary way

crimson finch
compact kindle
# spare pier 1 - Calamity never even bothered to define a God before and Empress being a Godd...

hi, i was the one who made a lot of these points. to sum up my own personal responses to each bullet:
1 - step on stuff how, exactly? it feels like y'all are a bit too hands off with the stuff vanilla does, even going as far to diminish the characters that exist in it by default. it makes me question why this story is even built off terraria at all (also i really do not see the self insert thing. they're visually similar in some ways but they're way too different to actually call one. if they were offended you'd write a character for them despite not being an insert, they'd certainly be way more offended yharim insults them nonstop in their lore item). also the mod really needs to rename astrum deus if they're going to be sticking with this draconic auric soul business, having the 'star god' not actually be a god is kind of a whole lot of bluh especially when the slime god is because ???; it certainly has far more impact on the universe at large than the sludge does. if there's many different versions of the same species, why can't there be multiple kinds of god?
2 - unfortunately, you kinda can't snip cthulhu completely out of the story no matter what you do because he's fundamentally part of terraria's identity, and he's even the final vanilla boss (moon lord). i understand yall are trying to make your story stand on it's own, but you really are putting way too much work on yourself trying to completely scrub the hands of the stuff you're building off rather than interlinking things together. refer to point 1 (this is a good story but it really shouldn't be stuck in the skin of another game).

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3 - can't comment on this, not enough lore as it stands.
4 - simply put, it's very 'thrown in' as it is. the world soul as it stands is mentioned offhand a single time in a single entry as an explanation for a single thing, and there's 100% a lot of ways lore about it could be integrated into the story outside of the archive. speaking of:
5 - i actually disagree with this one; the archive really really really does not need a hundred pages of lore when there's already so much of that as-is. the mod has a SEVERE problem with telling and not showing; it's tricky to integrate all this stuff, i do understand why it's the way it is, but i really hope a lot of the unnecessary stuff gets trimmed down. there's a lot of value in leaving stuff vague at times, overexplaining can take you out of the story.

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make no mistake i do really enjoy the story you guys have, but i am a writer myself, so i wanna offer my two cents where i can to help yall improve stuff where possible

eager bluff
scenic olive
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Ploo

compact kindle
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making it a binary yes/no instead of making it a wide range makes it feel less organic

real silo
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I would argue blurring the line is the biggest problem of old lore

scenic olive
eager bluff
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thing is its inherently not organic
a god is not a natural occurrence

compact kindle
scenic olive
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gods were not meant to exist

compact kindle
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the issue with the binary explanation is it leaves a lot of confusing threads

real silo
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Like?

eager bluff
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from what i can tell the only thread left over is deus specifically

scenic olive
#

what about golem

compact kindle
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golem sucks

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this aint about him

eager bluff
scenic olive
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hes a cool guy

eager bluff
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an idol

scenic olive
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Simping?

real silo
#

Also about the empress thing
Her title is an empress there's nothing divine about her
And astrum deus is the only divine being who has a latin name

scenic olive
real silo
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No other named god has the title deus

compact kindle
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literally calls them one

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you have to ignore the fact they're still called one INGAME for the lore to make sense

real silo
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ok I didn't read bestiary true

eager bluff
#

vanilla bestiary when it exists

scenic olive
#

Astrum deus

oblique comet
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When a star begins to die, under normal circumstances, its power simply fades as it falls to the nearest celestial body. However, some dying stars bloat and fester before falling. Astrum Deus exists to consume these stars before the Astral Infection manifests in them, and it has been revered for its sacred duty since time immemorial.

scenic olive
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Sky God?

oblique comet
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AD

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lemme check empress

compact kindle
#

refer to point 1, the mod's story exists in the skin of terraria but seems afraid to be related to it

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which is very... ???

eager bluff
vocal snow
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related to nonexistent story of terraria with no official lore

real silo
#

calamity is a fanfiction of terraria clueless

vocal snow
#

damn

compact kindle
scenic olive
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Space God

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Yeah that

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Despite being a space worm

compact kindle
#

which is why it's confusing there's pretty much nothing from the basegame actually considered properly in the lore

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it's like it wants to not be terraria

real silo
#

dungeon and cultists

compact kindle
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you don't NEED to erase the original story to tell a new one

eager bluff
real silo
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they're both placed well in the story

scenic olive
eager bluff
scenic olive
#

Yeah true

compact kindle
#

it does actually have a story, the difference is it isn't spoonfed to you because you come in after it's already ended

scenic olive
#

I remember seeing vanilla lore is up to your interpretation by Red

vocal snow
compact kindle
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the way vanilla approaches lore is different from how the mod does it because it doesn't binarily tie stuff to certain characters

oblique comet
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literally checkpins

compact kindle
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it leaves things to interpretation

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you can piece SOME stuff together from bestiary

eager bluff
vocal snow
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.

mighty zenith
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it leaves like 90% of the story up to interpretation

vocal snow
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oops, sorry for the ping

mighty zenith
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is it really a story if you have to make up almost all of it yourself?

oblique comet
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waking up from a slumber...

compact kindle
# vocal snow .

his words and how the game is actually laid out tell different tales

scenic olive
eager bluff
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you have minor amounts of info that a lot of the time dont fit together in any coherent way

compact kindle
scenic olive
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The ost Is called 'Tale of A Cruel World'

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You need context from the past

compact kindle
#

trying to tie a bunch of unrelated stuff together is a fool's errand which is actually the exact issue with cal, a lot of stuff was added just 'cuz

vocal snow
#

yeah, dev statement is not a valid point

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sure

compact kindle
real silo
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Ok that's a lie

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I only see issue with duke fishron lore

compact kindle
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the fishrons are a whole thing

scenic olive
compact kindle
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i was actually gonna mention them earlier

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they're very Hm in explanation as-is

real silo
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The new lore is just the embodiment of
Terraria modification fans when the terraria modification modifies the game

scenic olive
#

Ok but what is point to all of this

real silo
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I personally don't think it's as big of an issue as you make it out to be

compact kindle
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the point of all this is Please Do Not Make ME Read 400 Draedon Entries again

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obviously

eager bluff
mighty zenith
#

fishron's lore was definitely influenced by old duke's very unnecessary existence

compact kindle
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very unnecessary

scenic olive
compact kindle
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he was an april fools joke

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he simply happened cuz it was cool

scenic olive
#

No Duke was a perfect boss

vocal snow
compact kindle
vocal snow
compact kindle
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he was added ON april fools

mighty zenith
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duke itself has potential for cool stuff

old duke ends up just being kind of a rehash

vocal snow
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deal with it

eager bluff
scenic olive
#

Yharon AI originally use Dukes AI before

compact kindle
mighty zenith
eager bluff
compact kindle
mighty zenith
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yeah i dont mind the fight
i just think his lore is really tacked on

compact kindle
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it makes me sad that that biome ONLY has recolors

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for bosses

real silo
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Nuclear terror boss

eager bluff
mighty zenith
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it doesnt help that both sulph sea bosses are, thematically, stronger versions of existing bossss

compact kindle
#

yeah exactly

mighty zenith
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nuclear terror would've worked so so so much better as a boss

compact kindle
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they're upgraded versions of previous bosses exclusively

scenic olive
compact kindle
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ssea kind of has no identity to call it's own

scenic olive
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But

compact kindle
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when it comes to boss design

scenic olive
#

ITS A OPTIONAL BOSS

crimson finch
#

You gotta fight like 3 fishrons

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2 dukes & one jungle dragon

scenic olive
mighty zenith
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old duke was made back when fab didnt really treat other devs fairly

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im pretty he was added without their knowledge

eager bluff
#

why do i feel better about this conversation at 4 am than i usually do at like 9 pm

compact kindle
#

i heard about the old duke story

crimson finch
#

Also Boomerfish was an April Fools joke

compact kindle
#

iirc fabsol just Decided to add him

crimson finch
#

Pretty sure at least

compact kindle
#

completely at random during the update

crimson finch
#

iirc

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

yeah they were still TOLD

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but he pretty much just went

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'i'm adding this'

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and then added it

crimson finch
#

A

eager bluff
#

he announced it i think just a day or 2 before adding it

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if not closer

compact kindle
#

anyways yes i don't like auric dragon lore

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it feels like you need to overlook a lot of stuff to make it work

scenic olive
#

Adds Old Duke to the mod
Refuses to elaborate further

compact kindle
#

and it feels very confusing because the gods aren't all strong or anything

crimson finch
#

frankly dragons are lame

compact kindle
#

and not all dragons have souls because ???

crimson finch
#

the folly dragons are better

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like wyrm

real silo
#

the ones that don't have souls aren't considered dragons

scenic olive
#

Auric Soul

real silo
#

it's that shrimple

real silo
#

ron is not how you spell dragon

mighty zenith
#

draron

compact kindle
#

it's a butchering of dragon

crimson finch
#

i though they were called Draconic Offshoots

scenic olive
#

Auric soul originates from the shattering of World soul

calm patio
#

they are

eager bluff
#

they're child species

calm patio
#

draconic offshoots

crimson finch
#

so they are dragons

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wyrm supremacy

real silo
#

I don't know what to tell you man it literally isn't even spelled as dragon

compact kindle
#

the spelling doesn't matter

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

that is an objective fact

real silo
#

I can understand dragonfolly not being a dragon but fishron ain't it

eager bluff
compact kindle
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and pig

real silo
#

I never even knew fishron was supposed to be a chimera

crimson finch
#

and pig

compact kindle
#

did you think the word fishron just existed-

scenic olive
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And the only creatures strong enough to wield the soul were the dragons

real silo
#

I think fish

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And I don't think about ron

scenic olive
real silo
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because what the fuck is a ron

crimson finch
#

you who else is strong enough to wield an auric soul?

compact kindle
eager bluff
scenic olive
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Not you

real silo
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Is mothron a dragon?

crimson finch
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my mom

compact kindle
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mothron is a butchering of mothra so i don't count it

real silo
#

And what the fuck is a Pigron

crimson finch
#

Is Ronald McDonald an auric dragon?

compact kindle
#

fishron but shitty

scenic olive
crimson finch
#

Shitron

eager bluff
scenic olive
#

because of a ritual

real silo
compact kindle
#

yes

real silo
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silly

compact kindle
#

in the context of the name fishron

real silo
#

I get it

compact kindle
#

in the context of the name mothron it doesn't mean anything

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it's just a 'copyright switchup'

eager bluff
#

solar eclipse enemies try not to be references challenge

real silo
#

I just think fishron somehow being a dragon is dumb as fuck, in vanilla and cal

crimson finch
#

swamp thing

compact kindle
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i HAVE joked about mothron being an auric dragon at least before

scenic olive
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And i mean here is that Auric Soul choosing dragons as the wielder is a natural thing because theyre the strongest creature thats available

compact kindle
#

consider this

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it's an april fools joke

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they didn't think it through

eager bluff
real silo
#

yes I did consider it an april fools joke that's why I think it's dumb as fuck HDfailure

compact kindle
#

every single solar eclipse enemy is a reference to something iirc

crimson finch
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Maybe if fishron was only shark instead of fucking fugly pig shart dragon it would be cool

crimson finch
#

They’re the things from Monsters Vs. Aliens!!!

eager bluff
#

all of them literally all of them are

compact kindle
#

i feel like we've lost the plot

scenic olive
crimson finch
#

Which plot

scenic olive
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And

compact kindle
#

the auric soul lore

crimson finch
#

oh offshoots dont have auric souls

eager bluff
vocal snow
scenic olive
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Actually half of the Auric souls may have gotten into Noxus because he was strong as fuck too

vocal snow
scenic olive
compact kindle
#

noxus is NOT alive

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i don't think

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i think he just Is

scenic olive
#

ok but why

mighty zenith
real silo
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there's a limited amount of x
things that didn't get x are considered inferior by the things that do have x

compact kindle
#

i don't know noxus' updated lore

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just that he's mr. distortion

real silo
#

No one knows

crimson finch
calm patio
#

nothing is known public of noxus

eager bluff
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nobody knows what noxus is except me and a select few others

crimson finch
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Swamp Thing is Missing Link

scenic olive
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Noxus is my father

real silo
#

wrong

scenic olive
#

nobody knows about it and nobody ever will

real silo
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noxus is OUR father

compact kindle
#

to sum up my thoughts on auric soul lore:

crimson finch
scenic olive
compact kindle
#

i think it's BETTER? but it still isn't a satisfying explanation imo

eager bluff
compact kindle
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it's definitely better

eager bluff
real silo
#

how did you know my father is in heaven

crimson finch
#

Were auric souls plasma-y or were they like eating a giant ball of warm but solid butter

real silo
#

not known

scenic olive
#

they are big thats for sure

eager bluff
real silo
#

we don't even know what the ritual is

crimson finch
#

it’s not wet

compact kindle
crimson finch
#

It’s like a refrigerated block of butter

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It’s still completely solid

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But it’s warm

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It keeps its shape

eager bluff
#

meaning its slightly wet

crimson finch
#

But it’s warm butter

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No

eager bluff
#

warm butter is wet butter

crimson finch
#

But it’s in the state of cold butter

compact kindle
#

one of these days i wanna do my own cal rewrite for fun...

crimson finch
#

So it’s a solid

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But warm

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

i think it'd be fun to try and connect it organically with the basegame instead of erasing it

crimson finch
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It’s like if ice was warm but didn’t melt or leak water

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I will soak you in wet butter

scenic olive
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Nuh uh

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i will cover myself in auric

crimson finch
#

Wtf is wet butter

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Auric is butter

scenic olive
#

Auric rejection

crimson finch
#

That’s why we’re talking about butter

scenic olive
crimson finch
#

You just buttered yourself up bro

scenic olive
#

💀

vocal snow
#

whats going on my ninjas

crimson finch
#

Weirdoooo

compact kindle
#

lore discussion is over

#

i guess

vocal snow
#

delete the channel

crimson finch
compact kindle
#

i will add all of the bad ideas here to the community remix lore. thank you for your feedback. this channel is CLOSED

crimson finch
#

Yay!!!

scenic olive
#

What is Primordial Wyrms body made of

vocal snow
#

we are officially canceled

compact kindle
#

i don't know what their deal is anymore

scenic olive
eager bluff
crimson finch
eager bluff
crimson finch
#

Claritin ?

scenic olive
#

The point of lore discussion is to discuss lore

crimson finch
#

Like the allergy meds?

vocal snow
#

dragon offspring and he's protecting terminus, and he hates light

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that's it iirc

crimson finch
#

He’s definitely made out of play doh

scenic olive
compact kindle
vocal snow
#

abyss

eager bluff
vocal snow
#

silva

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harsh living conditions

crimson finch
#

Heheh t / a/n a/s i/n n /

eager bluff
vocal snow
#

adaptation

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etc

compact kindle
#

it's better this way

eager bluff
scenic olive
#

Its all because of Silva

eager bluff
compact kindle
eager bluff
#

not all

compact kindle
#

isn't a large part of the lore of the biome that she did some fucky when dying and is refusing to actually be dead

vocal snow
#

there is terminus which related to xeroc

eager bluff
#

the abysses existence is because she got bitch slapped in there at some point but she doesnt make everything in there tick and isnt directly related to everything

scenic olive
#

Heres a thing, the underground jungle might be the work of Silva fucking up the ecosystem

compact kindle
#

if she got the ball rolling then everything after is indirectly her fault

scenic olive
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The fact that grass can grow easily without light down there is weird af

compact kindle
#

even if she personally didn't do anything it's still the result of what she did

eager bluff
#

i wouldnt really call being comatose at the bottom of the ocean something she did

compact kindle
#

'being comatose' doesn't stop her from doing stuff though

compact kindle
#

evidently

scenic olive
#

i can fix her

compact kindle
#

giving silva a lobotomy

scenic olive
compact kindle
#

(i remove so much abyss that it isn't considered abyss anymore

scenic olive
#

We are going to need a lot of glue and duct tapes for this

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

honestly i think a lot of issues came with 1.4 doing some stuff cal already did

compact kindle
#

so they needed to explain a lot of it and it feels Ehh as a result

compact kindle
#

you can't tell me night provi was not added because of 1.4

scenic olive
#

plot holes exists

compact kindle
#

there is no justification otherwise

scenic olive
#

Retcon or your gon

eager bluff
#

i can check when tho and see if dates line up

compact kindle
#

i'm p sure night provi was born in the 1.4 port

scenic olive
#

Ok but

compact kindle
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or at the very least in the leadup

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i forget the specifics of the timewindow

mighty zenith
#

i think night provi was 2021?

scenic olive
#

Providence not being sun goddess anymore and instead goddess of ash is cool

compact kindle
#

it has no reason to exist

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it could KIND of be justified before since sun deity but now uHHHH

scenic olive
#

There is one explanation

compact kindle
#

is it the one i gave you

vocal snow
#

we have no knowledge about domain of Providence

scenic olive
#

Celestial bodies empower your magic at night

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

where else does that happen

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

i do think night provi was added SLIGHTLY before the port

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but only after 1.4 came out

eager bluff
#

night provi was added in 1.4.5.001

compact kindle
#

when was that update

scenic olive
#

It might just be exclusive to provi and her magic

eager bluff
compact kindle
#

okay so yeah after 1.4

eager bluff
#

yeah i said a couple months after 1.4 dropped

compact kindle
#

100% a reactionary decision to 1.4's own sun boss then

scenic olive
compact kindle
#

if it happened THAT soon

eager bluff
scenic olive
#

Providence was a flawed deity

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splitting up the powers makes her weak

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i shall claim the essence of hers and her guardians

compact kindle
#

i've heard there IS an explanation for night provi but i... haven't been told it ever

#

just that it exists

mighty zenith
#

its not public yet

compact kindle
#

why not

mighty zenith
#

thats why

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🤷‍♂️

compact kindle
#

why is it not public if it's in the mod already >:(

scenic olive
#

because the dev said so

mighty zenith
#

why isnt yharim in the mod if he's the main antagonist

compact kindle
#

there is a difference! i'll tell you in 20 minutes, you won't wanna miss it

scenic olive
#

Too late

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I want to miss it

mighty zenith
#

sorry im leaving in exactly 19 minutes

scenic olive
stark basalt
#

The lore chat

#

Lorerians

compact kindle
#

i need to find out the truth

vocal snow
#

holy shit is that 1997 Toyota Corolla?

compact kindle
#

why is there hallow in calamity

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i know why the crimruption exist but

vocal snow
#

remains of benevolent gods

#

presumably

eager bluff
#

yeah

scenic olive
#

Undisposed essence of Dead Gods

compact kindle
#

so it's just the same? that doesnt track to me

eager bluff
#

essence of the good gods

compact kindle
#

but eh

scenic olive
#

Evil Biomes born from wretched Gods

mighty zenith
#

its different because the existence of benevolent gods goes completely against yharim's ideology

scenic olive
#

Hallow Biomes born from the benevolent ones

compact kindle
#

i buy it for the EVIL ones since they're actually organic-like-organic

vocal snow
#

we kill WoF and their essence just go around all over terria

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or smth

scenic olive
#

The yharprank is going out of hand

compact kindle
#

this discussion has made me want to rewrite calamity lore a billion times more. perhaps i will when i stop being in my block

scenic olive
#

Start cooking then

compact kindle
#

i have writers block because i have to write the draetalk entries for calremix :((((((

scenic olive
vocal snow
#

go to the kitchen

compact kindle
#

i CANNOT cook yet

vocal snow
#

we let you cook

scenic olive
#

you have to cook

compact kindle
#

i wrote like 8 paragraphs for ONE boss

scenic olive
#

people are starving

mighty zenith
compact kindle
#

i like using it for writing practice

scenic olive
#

Does draedon have a cake in him

vocal snow
#

no, he is honest man

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he got that dawg in him

scenic olive
#

Draedawg

autumn mango
#

the dog in question

vocal snow
mighty zenith
#

the unforseen consequences cut

scenic olive
#

Im convinced the only reason that Draedon couldnt stabilize Miracle matter is because he cant find auric for it

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assumption auric metal > exo alloy

real silo
#

That's most likely the reason yes

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Either that or he never found out about perennial and scoria

#

Or calamity cores

#

or galactica singularities

scenic olive
#

How do we even know how to craft these stuff

real silo
#

Guide clueless

scenic olive
random mulch
#

we dont, we just mash stuff together and see what happens

scenic olive
#

guide is omniscient god

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we just dont know it yet

#

hes hiding from yharim

real silo
#

Draedon never knew of fovos' existence
It seems like he never explored abyss either so he probably doesn't know about scoria

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Idk about perennial and cores though

scenic olive
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So

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By chance

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Can the terrarian rediscover the god ritual with their own ways

real silo
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Perhaps

scenic olive
real silo
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Xeroc will always be alive

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We can probably pester him for a while

solar wharf
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laserfish is his invention

buoyant inlet
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?

solar wharf
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wasnt the fish that shoots laser stated to be one of draedons inventions?

buoyant inlet
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I don't think so

solar wharf
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it is his

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so he did know what scoria is

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he just never really needed it i assume

buoyant inlet
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If it's bestiary, the wiki bestiary entry is different

urban hedge
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It sounds familiar, but it's not Laserfish's Bestiary entry

solar wharf
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i found this in the doc?

urban hedge
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I haven't read the doc so I have no idea why I feel familiar to it or something similar

solar wharf
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its under semi-important entries

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idk where it exactly is from lol

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oh it is a bestiary

urban hedge
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The wiki says this is its bestiary entry: "Its eyes are blinded by bacteria that gather in large sacs on its head. As it swims through the waters, relying on primitive echolocation, the bacteria are able to release concussive blasts to clear its path."
Maybe one of these is an old entry, or the wiki missed part of the entry?

solar wharf
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i have no idea

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doesnt that contradict