lore-discussion

[solar wharf]

its still up there

just not miracle matter or actual auric level

[raven terrace]

Do you think we'll be able to use actual auric power once we defeat Yharim?

Or at all-

[solar wharf]

idk, the lore writers and devs can just decide why not but from a narrative POV, i dont think so

i think our next power up wouldnt be from yharim

but from the dragon aerie

[raven terrace]

Aerie?

[solar wharf]

its a legendary place that no one but the dragons know where it is

yharim and xeroc does too

yharim is currently staying there

draedon tried looking for it but couldnt for the life of him

its where we would fight yharim

my guess is that, we would probably find some ultra rare material in there

and use that to defeat noxus

[raven terrace]

So to find it, we're going to have to take the next step of our journey to discover how the hell we're gonna find the place.

[solar wharf]

either that or maybe become xeroc champion

both are cool ideas

[raven terrace]

I'm going to assume that we're not actually able to find it ourselves.
Yharim had Yharon to lead him there.

Yharim might lead us there himself maybe.

[solar wharf]

i have no idea lol, i mean it could be that yharim just airdrops us the location

[raven terrace]

Do you think Draedon will follow us?

The opportunity to find this place is here.

[solar wharf]

he wants to watch the battle

so obviously

[raven terrace]

I still find Draedon's motivations hilarious.

"You defeated my mechs! Cool. Go stage an epic battle with the old tyrant. It'll be sweet as f*ck. Don't start until I get my popcorn."

Do you think the distortion and dragon aerie will drop at the same time?

[solar wharf]

most heartwarming draedon moment

[celest kettle]

Yharim lied

Draedon does have a heart to speak of

[solar wharf]

no, pretty sure its confirmed that, yharim (which should come alongside dragon aerie) would be the last CONFIRMED thing to be added to calamity

theres always noxus and xeroc but those wont be added if the devs just lose motivation

[raven terrace]

I want to believe that Draedon genuinely means that he just thinks your valuable due to him being a robot. There might be something genuine in there though.

[solar wharf]

also that literally implies draedon wants us to win over yharim

hes cheering for us

[real silo]

It's weakened in the sense that it can't reject anything
Iirc it was said that mock auric is just as durable as normal auric but normal auric can reject things which makes it more dangerous against enemies

[raven terrace]

I mean at this point, there's no doubt that nothing currently living that cares enough to challenge us can really beat us.

Aside from the superbosses of course-

[solar wharf]

ooooh

[solar wharf]

@raven terrace

sorry for the confusion

didnt know that either

[real silo]

Auric rejection punch

[raven terrace]

So mock auric is just as durable, but real auric is far more dangerous and unpredictable due to it's ability to reject beings.

[solar wharf]

nothing can beat us beside xeroc and MAYBE full power fovos, its confirmed we would beat noxus if he ever gets added

[raven terrace]

I just want to know if we're the strongest living mortal, or have yet to become the strongest demigod.

🤷

[solar wharf]

we are the strongest living mortal no doubt

the only reason yharim even reached this stage is because hes attuned lol

without it, he wouldv been a very strong mortal but i dont think he wouldv actually was able to beat people like braelor

[raven terrace]

So before our arrival, Calamitas was actually the strongest assumedly unattuned mortal.

[solar wharf]

yes

[raven terrace]

That's cool to know.

[solar wharf]

unless im forgetting somebody

[raven terrace]

I don't think she likes that fact though-

[solar wharf]

and even then

calamitas scarifices something, we dont

well depends on ur headcanon actually

calamitas magic fucks her up

but depending on ur headcanon

our power doesnt take anything from us

[raven terrace]

I think Calamitas just has enough mastery over her power to not allow much drawbacks.

BECAUSE SHE'D BE KILLING HERSELF

WHY DO WE HAVE TO!?

[real silo]

He would've died to statis and braelor if it weren't for dog's intervention

[celest kettle]

We can respawn

[raven terrace]

Not canon

I like to think it is though.

It's what makes us so unstoppable.

[celest kettle]

Imagine every respawn is just an alternate universe

Wouldn’t it be funny

[raven terrace]

One universe you awaken and get gluck glucked by a slime to death.

In the next, you become a god and become the champion of Terraria.

[solar wharf]

ye but that was a 2v1, without auric, he'd probably lose a 1v1 with braelor

[real silo]

ye

Wonder if braelor wears our silva armor or something different

Maybe we get silva armor from rescuing braelor in the distortion

[solar wharf]

that might be the rework

but i assume he would need silvas blessing for that?

[real silo]

Idk

My best guess is he teaches us how to make it

[candid shadow]

Guys

Yearly reminder to do your hardcore runs with the mage class

Permafrost's concoction be carryin' the game

[raven terrace]

Is Mage considered the worst?

[candid shadow]

Nah

The thing is

[sly bloom]

Damn, they're still doing the thing where you can't canonically beat Xeroc?

[candid shadow]

Mage is borderline broken in hardcore mode

Because of two things

Permafrost's concoction

And the Silva Armor Bonus

They REVIVE you

[woeful patio]

Totem of undying

Real

[candid shadow]

Understand, in a world where dying is NOT an option, something like that is broken

[candid shadow]

Fr fr

Actually

Lemme tell u guys something

[solar wharf]

ye, he just is no longer omnipotent

[candid shadow]

In a nutshell, I was fighting the twins, got retinazer to his berseker form

[sly bloom]

Lame, I wanna stab Xeroc to death with bullets

[candid shadow]

I died when he has literally 0.1% health remaining

BUT

because I had permafrost's concoction i revived

Not only did I revived

[woeful patio]

Also what da hell is this?

[candid shadow]

Before dying I shot one last ichor bolt to retinazer, which conviniently was just enough to kill him

[candid shadow]

Ah yes, My favorite Activity on fridays: money laundering

[woeful patio]

Same

[raven terrace]

So respawning...

IS CANON

[candid shadow]

Yes

It has always been

[sly bloom]

I'm pretty sure the base game-mechanic respawning of the player isn't, but things like Silva-revive are

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r83f4degiiJMzPhDsWtOvPPcceRx8gH9C6P6MEDWaBo/edit
Source

[raven terrace]

That would be badass.

Imagine Draedon or Calamitas slamming you into a mountain.

"Oh shit...I did it! He's dead!"

"Damn. Guess he wasn't strong enough to beat my mechs..."

And a magical energy overwhelms you. You come back up like a puppet, and you continue fighting.

Me personally

I'd feel intimidated.

[sly bloom]

Silva revive kinda works like "Man is too angry to die"

[untold moss]

imagine having a name like the void wyrm just to be called “jared”

[scenic olive]

i think i just have skill issue with lighting and pallete 💀

[earnest flare]

being used as a source again yipee

[earnest flare]

this is such a lore discussion

[scenic olive]

ok im dropping lore on this

i turn silva into a sword

[sly bloom]

Hell yeah

[tall delta]

yharim dies

[raven terrace]

is the Primordial Wyrm closely related to dragons?

[tall delta]

pw is a dragon offshot

so yeah kinda

[scenic olive]

The first

Wyrm

hence the name

Primordial

He is the closest related Dragon offshoot

[sly bloom]

Primordial Wyrm is the oldest wyrm, and a direct offshoot to my understanding. It doesn't have an auric soul, but it's blessed by Silva

[raven terrace]

So it's not a dragon, but the closest related to offshoots.
Lives at the darkest layers of the abyss deep in Terraria and is the oldest living Wrym.

It seems really special, but storywise not at all.

[sinful adder]

It's maybe or maybe not the closest to the dragons

[jaunty wraith]

I thought the closest was the dragonfolly?

[sinful adder]

But also, according to lore writers, there's not really any such thing as an offshoot, they're just dragons that never got auric souls

[vocal snow]

is it wrong or smth?

[earnest flare]

no lmao i just like being used as a source

[vocal snow]

thats what I thought

[stark basalt]

Hi lore peeps

[spring helm]

Hi Aido

I’ve typed your name enough for autocorrect to recognize it

[stark basalt]

Let’s gooooo

I don’t even have anything to discuss

Just wanted to say hi

[cloud ibex]

i think there was a bug where certain buyable items could be sold for more than they cost

[spring helm]

yeah it's a failry known bug

[jaunty wraith]

Meme I made based off something I noticed

[cloud ibex]

Yea that seems about right

[crimson finch]

Yeah, they forgot that throwing a child into y’know, lava from fucking hell horribly burns and scars them.

Even if they were rescued within a few seconds.

[buoyant inlet]

He wasn't even a child when it happened

[crimson finch]

What

[buoyant inlet]

He was a grown up

[raven terrace]

Tbh, I thought of him as the first.
Thinking logically as he has been through many battles and a terrible backstory, I was still caught off guard by the idea of the 2nd pic.

[crimson finch]

I thought he was like really young

[buoyant inlet]

You probably won't want a child to be your eternal God king

[crimson finch]

Damn misremembered

[buoyant inlet]

Maybe old lore confusion

[jaunty wraith]

Regardless of age, being burnt alive isn't gonna do you much good

[crimson finch]

Yeah

[buoyant inlet]

In old lore he was thrown as a child

[crimson finch]

Yeah

[vocal snow]

why not, you can manipulate children

[crimson finch]

I’m mostly in tune with old lore

[vocal snow]

[jaunty wraith]

I barley remember the old lore

[crimson finch]

I’m pretty good with old lore

When slime god wasn’t an auric god and just a virus that evolved

[buoyant inlet]

In new lore, he was thrown at the moment when he was supposed to become the god king. Presumably, in mid-late 20s, or even early 30s

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim is misunderstood hero...

Yeah I only read the lore items, how can you tell?

[vocal snow]

[crimson finch]

Y’know what’s better than 24?
What SpongeBob?
25.
(Yharim cast into the lavas of hell for refusing to become a god and kill Yharim)

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

[raven terrace]

He's a genocidal maniac.

[crimson finch]

All heroes are

Lmao

Only hero that isn’t is Red from Angry Birds

[raven terrace]

No amount of terrible backstories can atone for killing many innocents, torturing hundreds of souls to the point of becoming a ghastly abomination, making his dragon kill many gods and burn places, make clones of his finest warriors, abuse said finest warriors, and cause tons of war crimes is gonna atone for all of it.

[calm patio]

oooh the yharim properganda

[crimson finch]

We need YOU!

To fight the false gods!

Mmmm old lore & current lore

[jaunty wraith]

There should be a decor item of Yharim propaganda like that

[crimson finch]

He would be more of a speaker than a poster guy

Also he probably wouldn’t even place posters

Someone else would’ve

[buoyant inlet]

Time to repost old an art

I don't really like it now and it can look better

[crimson finch]

He has horns?

[buoyant inlet]

It's a headcanon

In which he was azafurian

[crimson finch]

Oh

Ohhhhh

[jaunty wraith]

He is atuned with yharon

[crimson finch]

Hes still mogging most characters

Jesus Christ that jawline is still immaculate

[buoyant inlet]

I imagine he had a pretty square-like head

[crimson finch]

Is he still from the jungle?

[buoyant inlet]

Bro was not there

Nope

[crimson finch]

Then where the hell is he from then

[buoyant inlet]

Well, we know nothing about his origins besides that he was trained to be the god king

[crimson finch]

Ghhhh I hate only being well versed in the old loree

[raven terrace]

I've seen some comments on youtube. What do yall think?

Would Yharim let Yharon die permanently if it meant saving his own skin?

[crimson finch]

Hm

[buoyant inlet]

I don't think so

[crimson finch]

Idk

[real silo]

His life is just one

Yharon can live on for much much longer than he can

[vocal snow]

why would he

[mighty zenith]

that basically equates to "would yharim absorb yharon's soul to beat us"

[crimson finch]

Cause he’s Yharim

[mighty zenith]

which is 100% no

[buoyant inlet]

Yharim is an awful person but he values Yharon a lot

[vocal snow]

he wouldn't because he is Yharim

[crimson finch]

Yeah

[vocal snow]

[daring crater]

yharim has certain hard lines he wont cross

[crimson finch]

But I wouldn’t put him past it cause y’know

[vocal snow]

like bees

[daring crater]

granted, they arent drawn where they should be

[crimson finch]

He’s Yharim@

[daring crater]

but he sure aint gonna cross em

[crimson finch]

Yharim X Queen Bee was real all along

[raven terrace]

I personally think his younger warmongering self would have.

His older depressed self treasures Yharon deeply.

[buoyant inlet]

New lore yharim isn't as blatantly terrible as old lore one, tho he still is very evil

[mighty zenith]

he dedicated his entire life to dragons
absorbing the soul of the last dragon is the last thing he would possibly do

[buoyant inlet]

Old lore yharim was like irredeemable man baby villain

[crimson finch]

The Shitling

[real silo]

The bad auric man

[calm patio]

slamming his fist on the table and killing people around him

[vocal snow]

at the very least he acknowledges his own deeds... to some extend

[daring crater]

the single circumstance where he would absorb yharon's soul is if it was the last split second action he had left to take to prevent someone ELSE from doing so

and that's a pretty contrived scenario

[crimson finch]

I see that

[raven terrace]

Though it would never reach that point assumedly-

Yharon is too strong for anyone else to take down aside from the big 3. Not counting superbosses.

[buoyant inlet]

New lore yharim is a very good manipulator with great charisma, to the point where people actually think he was the hero, but he still is evil

And Yharon is very evil too

They both deserve each other

[crimson finch]

Yharim definitely stinks, he’s been wearing armor for so long, and has been camping at the Aerie for a while too.

Someone needs a shower

[daring crater]

honestly I had an old writing thing that went nowhere from years back that actually attempted to give motivation to yharim and I actually settled on "hates the shitty gods", the auric soul angle wasnt in there though

[golden oasis]

(terrarian opens a trashcan at the bottom of the abyss
(braindead silva is just chilling there)
(terrarian just closes it and leaves

[crimson finch]

Siduaoaksmdks

[raven terrace]

Say there was a theoretical scenario someone happened to absorb 2 auric souls?

What would happen-

[crimson finch]

The Garfield meme

[crimson finch]

They’d pop

Idk

[buoyant inlet]

It won't go too well

[crimson finch]

I’m thinking about it like One Piece devil fruits

[buoyant inlet]

Tho 2 auric souls isn't that bad

But more than that will fuck you up

[crimson finch]

1 gives you a power, and if you’re greedy enough to eat 2, you will be torn asunder from the devils inside you fighting

[buoyant inlet]

The more auric souls, the less control over your body you have

[golden oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-arbuckle-nermal-trash-can-the-garfield-show-gif-9365086984229579073

[daring crater]

it'd be like mixing two random solutions from a chemical supply company. maybe you'd just get a mix of two substances that don't react. maybe they'd react to make a third. maybe they'd react to explode

[crimson finch]

That’s what I’m saying!!!

[daring crater]

genuinely unpredictable, not worth gambling on

[raven terrace]

That makes sense-

[daring crater]

you're just likely to end up with the chlorine gas surprise

[raven terrace]

I find it funny how in lore, the goda aren't beings like concepts or born from other gods.

Their literally down to the mark, a fusion between a human and a dragon.

[cloud ibex]

your soul would get diluted

[golden oasis]

when the water auric god absorbs the soul of potassium:

https://tenor.com/view/bites-za-dusto-jojo-killer-queen-jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-bites-za-dusto-killer-queen-gif-16070616

[vocal snow]

becomes exothermic reaction god

[crimson finch]

Xeroc after eating the Cheeseburger Dragon post ascension:

[daring crater]

gods are just humans with auric souls, which are "pieces of the world's fragmented soul". it's entirely possible that power isn't originally native to the dragons either, as it's known that some dragons were too late to claim their own auric souls and had to make do without

implying it might have been something they took

[vocal snow]

auric souls are shards of world soul, no?

[golden oasis]

if xeroc died i wonder if the sheer chain reaction of dispersing energy would be enough to destroy terraria (referring to the planet the game takes place on, i just call it terraria)

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-light-super-smash-bros-super-smash-bros-ultimate-explosion-consumed-by-light-gif-11219483246001228760

[raven terrace]

So...dragons themselves could be considered gods?

[vocal snow]

higher gods

[daring crater]

more like dragons are what happens when dragon-looking animals have an auric soul

while gods are human(oids) with an auric soul

[golden oasis]

like him!

[calm patio]

you wont be able to kill xeroc anyways

[golden oasis]

im not saying we're able to
im just wonderinf if he died somehow, what would immediately occur after

[sinful adder]

No!!! Not the same!!!

[vocal snow]

he will turn into a rock

[daring crater]

presumably a goblin could have absorbed an auric soul at some point in the past. or a lihzahrd. hell, the golem could have been a feeble attempt to replace their god after yharim killed it

[sinful adder]

Dragons are born with just the auric soul, humans that become gods get an auric soul fused to their soul!

These are fundamentally very different!

[golden oasis]

im pretty sure anything can be a god if they obtain an auric soul and do a weird ritual that's been forgotten to time

[sinful adder]

So much so that we made a concept for a name of a creature that was a humanoid that got an auric soul from birth, it's called a Titan

[crimson finch]

Attack

[sinful adder]

It's a hypothetical and doesn't exist in lore, but a lore writer said this was the most fitting name

[daring crater]

is it word of god that dragons just sprang into being with auric souls and that them possessing an auric soul isn't the result of some event in the past? or just the prevailing assumption?

[sinful adder]

Both are possible. They are born with auric souls due to some past shattering event, but they don't claim said souls via a ritual and instead are born with them at least semi-naturally

[spring helm]

gods do not have auric souls, the ritual to ascend to godhood merges the auric and mortal soul to create something new

[sinful adder]

We do not know exactly how dragons got their special souls, but we know that it is fundamentally different from how gods work

It's like Undertale. Boss monsters are inherently special, and humans could get boss monster souls to become very strong.

[raven terrace]

FUCK! YES! THAT WAS LITERALLY MY COMPARISON!

[golden oasis]

ok so to my understanding

human soul + auric soul = god soul
auric soul ≠ god soul

[raven terrace]

YEEEES!!!!

[daring crater]

makes sense.

on an unrelated note, i do have a couple questions about gods. firstly, when a god dies, is their divine soul (let's call the amalgamated soul that) claimable in a similar way in theory? their essence can be contained or devoured or dispersed into the world (though it's strange that no god that we kill causes that process, not even providence)

auric souls also disperse into the world when a dragon dies, but in a more limited sense - merging with a specific part, the aerie, to reincarnate

[raven terrace]

I think with all the info on the table, we can say it.

Gods are not natural to the balance.

[vocal snow]

where is it said that dragon were born with auric souls? The closest thing I could find is that they were gifted with auric souls

[sinful adder]

It might be, but doing so would explode you into a godly polterghast

[golden oasis]

from what i know, a god soul is just kinda gone after they die, and then whatever else is left might contort into affecting the world in a vein similar to corruption and crimson, as those are caused by dead gods (correct me if wrong)

[cloud ibex]

i think the dispersion of godly essence just takes a while

[sinful adder]

Also, god souls making biomes takes a long time. A lore writer told me that maybe in several decades, the spot where slime god died may become some special place where many slimes gather out of instinct

[daring crater]

so basically the entire cycle is pretty much permanently broken at this point and whatever isn't fed into the devourer/distortion is either gonna turn into the divine equivalent of radioactive microplastics or have to get sealed in a flesh containment vessel

[sinful adder]

Correct. The corruption, crimson, and hallow all exploded out because they were made of hundreds of gods, and also probably had time to develop before

[raven terrace]

Weren't there like tons of dragons in the past?

There must have been a terrifying amount of gods compared to the few that remain nowadays-

[sinful adder]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

yea, there were thousands of dragons iirc

[vocal snow]

so, hallow is technically already here even before we kill WoF?

[daring crater]

at this point I get why draedon wants to find a way off planet - the entire natural cycle of the world has been upended and turned into its inevitable bane

[vocal snow]

or what

[raven terrace]

I find it funny how the quest to revive Moon Lord from the Lunatic Cultist is sorta just kind of a side thing in Calamity's grand scheme-

[mighty zenith]

we release it FROM WoF

it was sealed inside it

[raven terrace]

With the destruction of the wall of flesh, the souls of the gods trapped inside was released onto the world.

[mighty zenith]

its the opposite in calamity

[golden oasis]

basic timeline according to what i understand (very likely incorrect somewhere)

draconic age, dragons are abundant - > fovos attacks and injures zeratros, king of dragons - > xeroc absorbs zeratros' soul and becomes the first god - > many people follow xeroc's example and thus dragons become scarce - > yharim was aparrently destined to do the same but then he said "no" and delared to avenge the dragons by killing gods

[raven terrace]

As a result, the Hallow was released along with the many souls.

[mighty zenith]

cultist is keeping moon lord locked away

[daring crater]

wall of flesh is literally just ultrakill flesh prison

[vocal snow]

and it's instantaneously manifest at the surface?

[mighty zenith]

[vocal snow]

[daring crater]

you shook up the soda can before opening it, of course

[sinful adder]

No they are doing the opposite in calamity

[mighty zenith]

ga(y)me mechanics

[sinful adder]

Trying to keep the moon lord sealed

[raven terrace]

Is Moon Lord a god? Or is he just a powerful mortal?

From how the lore makes it seem, Moon Lord was still a force to be reckoned with.

[sinful adder]

Also, I had a theory

[mighty zenith]

a really really powerful alien

[daring crater]

special third thing

[mighty zenith]

not a god

[sinful adder]

Essence cannot be destroyed

[cloud ibex]

a third, more sinister thing

[golden oasis]

fovos (the moonlord in the past, way stronger) seems to be something incomprehensible, he's an eldritch horror disconnected to anything else going on

[raven terrace]

It sounded like even Yharim was scared of Moon Lord to a degree.

[golden oasis]

he was bisected and sealed away because they couldnt actually kill him

[daring crater]

it's almost doubtlessly getting fed to the distortion

[mighty zenith]

well tbf, he DID wipe out most of the dragons in his prime

[sinful adder]

The player will kill noxus and end this

[mighty zenith]

he's probably the thing yharim hates most next to xeroc

[sinful adder]

Therefore, perhaps in thousands or millions of years, the godly essence will decompose into auric essence and regular souls, and the auric essence will return to terraria

[raven terrace]

Well from where you fight him, Calamitas probably would have met and fought him at some point if you died.

[golden oasis]

something something, moonlord's seal is weakening, and lunatic cultist is tryna stop that
and then you kill him fsr

[daring crater]

that assumes the decomposition is actually possible

[sinful adder]

It may or may not be

[mighty zenith]

its funny how unnecessary cultist's death is

you could just

talk to them about it or something

[sinful adder]

He's shitty

[mighty zenith]

but you fucking murder them instead

[raven terrace]

He was so unimportant in Calamity ;-;

[daring crater]

...that said, if I trust anyone to figure out how to do it just for the sake of proving it is scientifically possible, it's draedon

or you could just throw a god into shimmer and uncraft it into a human and a dragon. ever think of that huh

[mighty zenith]

what if i tossed an atom into shimme

[golden oasis]

the dragon's dead but maybe the original auric soul reforms and can reincarnate later

[golden oasis]

you get a different atom or something

[raven terrace]

So let me get this straight.

Fovos is Moon Lord in his prime. Fovos caused mayhem on Terraria and wiped out a large number of the dragons. He was SO powerful, it took the full might of Terraria's strongest beings to bisect him. Even then, he wasn't killed, so they sealed him away to let him rot.

His power was still crazy and with the dwindling amount of people and society in Terraria, Lunatic Cultist is pretty much the only one doing anything to stop his re-awakening. With his death, Moon Lord awakens.

Sure was lucky you reached the level of power you were currently at huh?

[daring crater]

actually draedon deadass might do some work with shimmer to get that to work

[mighty zenith]

y'know, considering how long ago moon lord was sealed

[golden oasis]

yeah, but since yharim is still around if you dont stop him he likely would have (or just send DOG to do it

[mighty zenith]

makes me wonder if anyone really knew he even existed anymore

of course the cultists, yharon, yharim and xeroc knew

because they either experienced it first hand or have ancient history knowledge from either books or yharon

[daring crater]

what are the pillars, then? are they the last remaining work of the dragons meant to keep the moon lord chained, and the cultist is just... keeping them hidden under an extra layer of defense by keeping them in a pocket dimension?

[raven terrace]

If Moon Lord was released and you failed, he probably wouldn't have gotten very far before he was shit stomped by DoG, Yharon, Calamitas, or Yharim himself.

[mighty zenith]

it's not explained in-game yet but iirc the pillars are supposed to be moon lord's army of worlds he destroyed?

[golden oasis]

i dont know if the pillars have lore but if i were to guess:
maybe random shit built from moonlord's power that leaked oput of his containment before he could break out fully himself

(once again, im just spitballing

[raven terrace]

I think the pillars were created from cosmic energy to keep Moon Lord contained. The pillars themselves are alive and have the power to summon an entire army to defend them to protect themselves and ultimately, the seal keeping Moon Lord in place.

[daring crater]

that's weird that the moon lord can only break out when you kill the pillars then. maybe it's just a coincidence that he breaks out when the last one is destroyed? maybe like, you're "racing against the clock" to wipe out his army before he arrives himself? (there is no clock to race against)

[solar wharf]

thats confirmed or?

[golden oasis]

ok so:

Moonlord is sealed
the pillars are powering his contrainment
and in turn the pillars are sealed and lunatic cultist is powering THAT containment

and by killing LC you slowly unravel it

[mighty zenith]

its not fully canon until its ingame but iirc its from a dev statement

[raven terrace]

It's really funny.

Even if Moon Lord was released, it likely wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[solar wharf]

oh, so its planned?

also garbo question about old lore

[raven terrace]

It all really was just a side quest.

[solar wharf]

what was the lore behind moonlord?

[golden oasis]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic olive]

Moon and lord

[golden oasis]

old lore aint listed on wiki anymore so until i can find where old lore is, it might just be lost media

[raven terrace]

Moon Lord is still terrifying though.

His mere presence is enough to distort reality. Dude commands the power of the void and is overall just really friggin strong even as a zombie cut in half with rotting muscles and an exposed brain.

[cloud ibex]

cthulhu's butchered remains

[solar wharf]

oh

[scenic olive]

Moonlord

Nah id win

[cloud ibex]

actually wait no that was the crimson

[scenic olive]

Fovos

Nah

Id lose

[cloud ibex]

ML was just a separate guy

[golden oasis]

one can only imagine what terrarian 1v1ing fovos prime would be like

[solar wharf]

moonlord is the thing that wiped the dragons, its just that, it lost the battle while almost completing it

and lost its other half

sealing it

hes a very important guy

everything can basically be blamed on him lmao

[raven terrace]

They'd get shitstomped beyond shitstomping.

I'm willing to bet Xeroc would have lost.

[scenic olive]

nah

Xeroc kicks ass

[mighty zenith]

there used to be like, dark and light gods

[vocal snow]

xeroc is stronger than fovos

[mighty zenith]

and moon lord and cthulhu were dark gods

[vocal snow]

[mighty zenith]

they made noxus to fuck up xerox or something

[solar wharf]

oh

[solar wharf]

xeroc is the strongest being in the current era, probably in terraria

[vocal snow]

and yet noxus is still weaker then xeroc

[raven terrace]

It's funny.
We got the current big 3. Draedon, Calamitas, and Yharim.

All 3 get godly shitstomped by Noxus, Xeroc, and Fovos.

I wonder how everything was back then.

Must have been lots of chaos.

[golden oasis]

didnt they make an official powerscale tierlist and put xeroc above fovos?

xeroc appears to be top of the verse

[vocal snow]

they did

[raven terrace]

Tbf, I haven't checked it out.

[golden oasis]

ill send the image

[raven terrace]

But why the hell didn't Xeroc do anything?

Fovos was laying waste to the world.

[golden oasis]

cause he wasnt a god yet

[mighty zenith]

they werent a god when fovos attacked

[golden oasis]

he was just a monk back then

[vocal snow]

maybe he's the one who holds back nexus from demolishing terraria

[raven terrace]

Damn

[vocal snow]

[raven terrace]

When the world needed a hero most

[solar wharf]

gods only became a thing after fovos was sealed

[golden oasis]

(jared is jsut nickname for primordial wyrm

[solar wharf]

because thats when humans realized

"oh shit they are weakened?? STEAL THEIR POWERS"

[raven terrace]

DAMN. Fovos was actually good at fighting?

He wasn't all godly power?

[golden oasis]

he's just an anomaly from who knows where in outerspace

eldritch horrors, i tell ya

[raven terrace]

Fovos really woke up after popping into existence and chose violence.

Smh.

Eldritch abominations these days.

[golden oasis]

noxus appears to be better at blowing shit up but xeroc is overall more powerful in both aspects than fovos

a 1v1 would end in xeroc's favor likely

[raven terrace]

From what i get, Xeroc is the best in the verse at fighting.

Noxus however has way more raw power-

[golden oasis]

from what i can tell noxus is another entity seperate to auric soul nonsense

[raven terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[golden oasis]

and once his seal breaks he gets RIGHT BACK WHERE HE LEFT OFF in attempting to blow everything up
eh doesnt flee to regain his lost power he just attacks the first thing he sees

unfortunately the first thing he sees

is the mfing terrarian

[solar wharf]

not raw power, destruction

xeroc could just be more powerful, noxus attacks just has more destruction behind them

[golden oasis]

ok so:

imagine a giant plane of stone that extends infinitely

xeroc and noxus attack it with their full power

noxus blows up more stone but xeroc's damage is more focused in a smaller area

[daring crater]

thus when you let an actual decent fighter like the terrarian use noxus's suspiciously blunderbuss-shaped liver (why do bosses always drop fully formed weapons?) you have terrarian fighting prowess matched with noxus's destructive capabilities

[raven terrace]

"Hello."
"What are you doing?"
"Blowing shit up?"
"Damn."
"Tryna thwart my plans?"
"Huh?"
"Are you?"

"..."
"..."
"Bring it"

[vocal snow]

if you insist...

[solar wharf]

sadly, its confirmed that if the player does end up fighting xeroc, at BEST, thats the best outcome, would be a draw

but its most likely just a loss for the player

[eager bluff]

yeah no you will not kill xeroc

they're just that strong

[solar wharf]

we will kill noxus tho

if he gets added i mean

[raven terrace]

Damn

We are doomed to never reach the top.

What the hell is the Terrarian's motivation anyway?

He just shows up one day in a ruined world and decides to get strong cuz why not.

[solar wharf]

its headcanon

the player is just ur O

C

OC*

[eager bluff]

thats what happens when you try to kill the single strongest being in the lore who was a) attuned to zeratros before consuming his soul and b) has been steadily growing in power for hundreds of years

[raven terrace]

My summoner is named Demon Lord Magnus.

He's edgy for the sake of being edgy and he wants to command an army even though it will likely never happen.

[solar wharf]

while also having a very strong domain

[daring crater]

just absorb whatever the hell noxus has. it totally works like that, right?

[solar wharf]

so true

just absorb noxus ESSCENES

become a doG

[raven terrace]

So at the very best, we'll be strong enough to be Xeroc's equal.
At worst, he canonically shitstomps us if he were serious and fights us for the shits and giggles cuz why not.

[solar wharf]

i'd assume it would be somewhere in between

[eager bluff]

this is true but a strong domain on its own doesnt make the god

[solar wharf]

where we would give xeroc like a fight, but hes guarnteed to win and it isnt full on difficuilt

i dont think xeroc should shitstomp the player, as that implies noxus was a none issue to xeroc, which just feels weird

[raven terrace]

Soooo like this.

Xeroc we'd never be able to win against. But we'd be strong enough to give him a fight he likely hasn't seen in decades if at all. We'll definitely give him a workout and satisfaction, but he'd just kill us if he wanted to.

[solar wharf]

probably

this isnt confirmed

just my assumapation lol

[eager bluff]

you can have a ridiculously powerful domain but if you cant control it and dont know how to use it its anywhere from as good as nothing to as good as having a gun that shoots you in the face

[solar wharf]

ye but that can apply otherwise, if you have a shitty domain, even if you know how to use it and is able to control it, u arent becoming the strongest god

[raven terrace]

Honestly, I'd prefer if we just get shitstomped by Xeroc regardless.

Having this almighty being of incredible power and leaving our journey at being his equal rather than surpass him just doesn't feel satisfying.

[solar wharf]

its a factor, not a deciding one obviously

[eager bluff]

yes

[solar wharf]

but having a strong domain would play a good part in why ur strong

[eager bluff]

its a limiter on the power ceiling/floor

the stronger your domain the more potential you have to be really strong and less potential you have to be weak

[daring crater]

the more terrifying possibility, though, is that something else could potentially come along. we know things with raw strength surpassing xeroc's exist, and obviously his pure tactical knowledge is within the realm of possibility because, well, he has it.

space is big. there's a lot of shit out there. in an infinite universe, something with those two things or something close enough to it is guaranteed to be SOMEWHERE. and he better hope it doesnt find him

[solar wharf]

i wonder what would even boost us to fight noxus, knowing that noxus is actually fairly stronger than yharim, the gap being bigger than yharim to yharon i would assume

i always thought, we would find a material in the dragon aerie

[eager bluff]

shadowspec

[solar wharf]

you think shadowspec would be made canon?

[eager bluff]

considering the dev its dedicated to hasnt been in the community since like 2018? its not outside the realm of possibility

especially considering demonshade (which is dedicated to the same person as shadowspec) is becoming canon with its rework and retier

[raven terrace]

From where Calamity has left off so far, do you think we are capable of fighting Yharim at present?

[eager bluff]

yes

easily yes

[solar wharf]

ye

thats how we would fight him actually

[eager bluff]

there are no bosses between exos and scal and yharim

[solar wharf]

^

we would just straight up

go for him

miracle weapons, auric armor is all enough

but we would get 2 new armors in the same tier alongside auric

[eager bluff]

exo and demonshade armor

[raven terrace]

I heard somewhere that Yharim isn't gonna have phases or anything.
It's just gonna be a one shot fight to the finish type boss.

[solar wharf]

demonshade which would be retiered and exoarmor

[eager bluff]

exo armor is being cooked and demonshade has concrete plans

[solar wharf]

so you know how miracle matter, infests and "melts" shit into their current forms and stuff, i forgot how it works

[eager bluff]

aside from mage/summoner that helmet afaik is still very much unknowable

[solar wharf]

does it have viability in battle similar to auric rejection?

[eager bluff]

if you throw it at something and it sticks for long enough yes

[solar wharf]

if i clash with my exoblade vs yharims blade, would yharims blade be damaged from melting?

[raven terrace]

I'm personally wondering what class is gonna be the best by the end of it all.
Melee seems to have Calamity in the back with the um..."Ark of the Cosmos" or whatever it was called.

[eager bluff]

it entirely depends on if exoblade has the ability to melt pure authentic auric

[scenic olive]

If your blade is durable enough youll be sent flying

if not itll go through you like butter

[solar wharf]

would auric even reject our fake auric?

[eager bluff]

no

[solar wharf]

so would it reject miracle matter which uses auric?

[eager bluff]

it would reject shit a hell of a lot harder and is also a lot more durable

[spring helm]

miracle matter shouldnt melt anything, outside of any heat-based attack like the supernova
it's the exo prisms that melt matter

i think

[solar wharf]

o

i dont remember what it exactly said

[eager bluff]

miracle matter melts and reshapes stuff

[spring helm]

it should be stable after we use it to craft our weapons though

[eager bluff]

theoretically yes

but its not certain if it actually will be

[daring crater]

everyone forgets gem tech lol

i dont think ive ever used it

[eager bluff]

the stuff can let off exotic resonance meaning theres still at least some minor instability

[eager bluff]

donor content

[spring helm]

non-canon

[solar wharf]

Didn't draedon confirm we actually did stabilize that power mess of a creation

[daring crater]

oh i was talking like from a usage perspective

i dont know if anyone considers it viable

[eager bluff]

yes we did stabilize it

at the very least we stabilized most of it

but exotic resonance is a form of radiation

meaning theres some level of instability

[daring crater]

that's why instead of a traditional fight you just use psychological warfare on him to weaken his mental state. shittalk him and his ideals into a lower power level like SMT:4 Apocalypse

hard to kick ass when you're going through an internal crisis

[solar wharf]

Isn't the way we make it just, drop 3 weapons and then throw miracle matter to mold them all together

[eager bluff]

to an extent

but you're missing the point the point is it has some level of instability because of exotic resonance being able to be let off

[scenic olive]

Exotic Miracle

Exo Resonance

[sly bloom]

I simply think we can and should beat up Xeroc

[scenic olive]

Ike

Like Soul Attunement?

[eager bluff]

miracle blight

[solar wharf]

Oh no I understood the point, I'm just trying to understand miracle matter as a whole.

[sly bloom]

It semi-implies you're doing High Tech Draedon Forge Shit™️ to mold them together

[sinful adder]

Radiation just means emitting something. Light is radiation. Sea prisms emit infinite radiation without decaying because infinite energy

[sly bloom]

The Draeting Sim is important to the lore

[scenic olive]

Miracle Blight

[raven terrace]

Who would you date if all the bosses ended up in a simulator like Draedon? What questions would you ask?

[sly bloom]

Draedon has the guts to say that sea prisms emit indefinite energy, but then say that Devourer of Gods can't possibly defy the laws of thermodynamics

[scenic olive]

it rips away your corporeal form

[sly bloom]

Draedon or Yharim

As for questions, I dunno

[daring crater]

a stable resonance that can spit out absurd amount of energy is just a Q-Ball (non-topological soliton that can turn matter into antimatter at its surface)

[raven terrace]

EoC, BoC, Draedon on my end.

[spring helm]

i thought exotic ressonance was something the exo prisms did

[daring crater]

it is, I just don't put using Weird Physics Shit beyond draedon

especially when it so neatly, coincidentally lines up with a potentially real physics concept

[spring helm]

my head hurts

[sly bloom]

Miracle matter is what exo resonance melts things down into, which can then be stabilized through a specific process

[spring helm]

I’m gonna bet that the missing ingredient/ingredients that stabilized miracle matter were all the souls we put into it

[calm patio]

If they can make a grild cheese

[sly bloom]

It quite literally was all the extra bullshit you need to craft miracle matter lmao

[spring helm]

Draedon has a dislike with working with souls due to the mechanical trio developing their own “consciousness”

So he might not have tried using them

[sly bloom]

You also need auric bars, which he might not have readily-available access to

[spring helm]

And the auric bars were workable because we had fragments of Yharon’s soul

[raven terrace]

I'd consider that a success as a scientist.

If you create a mechanical war machine and it develops it's own consciousness and such, that would be a breakthrough...at least in the past.

[spring helm]

Yeah but that means that they follow their own directive instead of being 100% obedient to Draedon

Dude is a control freak

[raven terrace]

I mean, they were limited and still had to follow a specific command.

I don't think they had feelings or complete free will.

[mighty zenith]

the thing is, they're less machine and more "hive mind of dead people controlling machine"

that's why they have free will

they're like fucking fnaf animatronics

[sly bloom]

Yharim thought this was awesome

[raven terrace]

Draedon saw it a failure

[mighty zenith]

yeah cause he's a control freak

[sly bloom]

And thus Draedon starts developing the plague

[raven terrace]

"I can't have my machines even 1% disobediant! Any free will could fuck everything up! My magnum opuses must be obediant...yeeeessss....obediant!"

[spring helm]

No free will allowed in Draedon’s house

[sly bloom]

To be fair, if I made a killer robot I'd want them to follow orders

[spring helm]

That’s true

[raven terrace]

I mean, there were MANY beings back then that were more than capable of taking down the mechs solo.

They wouldn't have been a complete problem. But I can see why Draedon hated them.

I personally find it crazy how big hulking behemoths like Crabulon, the mechs, or even the stronger scourges aren't really much at all compared to the dragons and the gods.

But I shouldn't be surprised at the same time-

I just feel beating them should at least be a bigger achievement-

[sly bloom]

Um acktually, Slime God is pre-hardmode and thus weaker than the mechs

[raven terrace]

I will slap you

[sly bloom]

Fair enough lmao

[raven terrace]

Isn't Slime God literally the weakest god though?

[sly bloom]

He's at least one of the weakest

I don't actually know if he's the weakest

[eager bluff]

shes close

[sly bloom]

Dragon of Gluttony must've been a bitch to die to pre-ascension Slime God

[raven terrace]

I think he has the right to laugh.

One of the weakest existing gods and they made it all the way to see the extinction of the gods and the dragons.

[raven terrace]

Damn str8.

[eager bluff]

she does get an upgrade by transitioning

[eager bluff]

thats what movespeed minmaxing does to an mf

[raven terrace]

Isn't there only like 4 gods left by the time you arrive?

Slime God, Providence, Xeroc, and Noxus. (Dunno if Noxus is a god)

[sly bloom]

Noxus isn't a god

[raven terrace]

3 then.

[sly bloom]

You could sort of count Ravager

[eager bluff]

there are a few more we dont encounter but the majority are long dead

[sly bloom]

Good

[eager bluff]

silva is one of the not dead ones

[sly bloom]

Sort of.

Silva's the closest to dead she really can be

[raven terrace]

I'm glad that we killed Providence before she could really get anywhere with her whole "burn everything the fuck up" plan.

[eager bluff]

well yeah

but not dead

and thats what matters for the list

[sly bloom]

Ravager counts then

[raven terrace]

So overall, there's like 5 gods that we encounter left.

Slime God, Providence, Ravager, Silva, and Xeroc.

[sly bloom]

Pretty much yeah

[raven terrace]

Damn.

Pretty much extinct.

[shut tide]

Well... we havent encounered silva... yet... anyways

[vocal snow]

braelor is female, right?

[shut tide]

braelor is male

[sinful adder]

No

[vocal snow]

[sinful adder]

Male

Funny boy scout knight

[vocal snow]

aight

[raven terrace]

I was about to bring that up. Still. There's only like 5 confirmed ones remaining.

[shut tide]

yeah

[sly bloom]

Yharim's epic extermination was pretty effective

[raven terrace]

And we just up and kill each of em-

[shut tide]

And well...

[raven terrace]

Except Silva and Xeroc.

[shut tide]

Xeroc and silva aint dying any time soon

[sly bloom]

We're finishing Yharim's job for him because real ones get each other

[raven terrace]

I ain't doing shit for Yharim. In my eyes, Slime God, Providence, and Ravager got in my way.

[sinful adder]

There are probably some more gods left hiding somewhere

[eager bluff]

ravager is undead which isnt alive
ravager is neither dead nor living so shouldnt be counted for either

[sly bloom]

I'm still gonna kill Yharim but I think he's awesome

[daring crater]

i do wonder if silva could actually pull herself together again in a substantial way given enough time

[raven terrace]

Providence was like the only real godly threat remaining.

[daring crater]

she is definitely not dead

[eager bluff]

over thousands of years yeah

[sinful adder]

He's really good at manipulating you

He's like the most evil guy ever and he killed tons of innocent people and a few bad people

[raven terrace]

"I'll give you a cheeseburger if you end me."

[shut tide]

I mean yeah she is the goddess of life

she of all gods truely would not stay dead

[sly bloom]

Who hasn't

[sinful adder]

Oh ok joke

[shut tide]

permafrost

unless perma has killed people

[calm patio]

he hasnt

[eager bluff]

no all the gods we kill are major potential threats
the average person has at most platinum gear
even slime god could take on entire armies

[raven terrace]

For all we know, Terrarian could be an Angel from Heaven sent to solve all of Terraria's problems.

On the other hand, their just here to fuck shit up and kill any life remaining in the world. The villagers are useful in that they sell stuff.

[shut tide]

Well the terrarians lore is up to you

[daring crater]

i do maintain that the creation of the gods was a terrible mistake given that it obviously doesn't mesh well with the natural cycles of the world

[sly bloom]

The Terrarian is whatever you want them to be

[shut tide]

so they could be an angel from heaven

[sly bloom]

Yharim was simply based

[raven terrace]

That's what I said.

From how it sounds, Gods are unnatural abominations.

And given how they treated the world and others, I'd say it's correct.

[eager bluff]

not really

[sly bloom]

Can't call Yharim out for arson because the Geneva Convention doesn't canonically exist in Calamity lore

[shut tide]

Some gods were good, however as yharim has said, "good intentions or not, all gods are complacent in genocide"

[eager bluff]

yharim never tells us about the good gods

[spring helm]

She’s been banished to the abyss at least once before her current imprisonment, so probably

[sly bloom]

Becoming a god intrinsically requires ending a life

[eager bluff]

so is yharim so he has no right to say shit

[spring helm]

“Takes one to know one”

[raven terrace]

Still.

Good or not, the gods were not natural.

[real silo]

just remember, each god only killed one dragon while yharim killed basically every single god

[sly bloom]

Based

[eager bluff]

each god we know of anyways

dragonbanes are a possibility

[raven terrace]

Was Providence around during the great genocide? Was she born sometime after?

[sly bloom]

Let's say you stab 20 murderers

[eager bluff]

she ascended about a hundred years after xeroc

[eager bluff]

congratulations you are now a murderer 20 times over

[sly bloom]

But the number of killers in the world falls

[eager bluff]

and those killed by the murderers dont come back

[shut tide]

cant wait for auric polterghast

[spring helm]

That means she has been attempting omnicide for like 600 years and still never got anywhere

Girlfailure Providence

[shut tide]

and people still followed her for that

[sly bloom]

Canon

[shut tide]

"oh yes please burn the world into sinless ash"

[eager bluff]

people followed yharim

[sly bloom]

Because Yharim was based

[raven terrace]

I mean, Providence would get her shit kicked in by pretty much anyone considered powerful still around. I don't think she was ever gonna be a proper threat in the new lore.

[shut tide]

"please balance out nature with SLIMES"

i fucking love that image

[daring crater]

yharim's motivation to stop the gods from existing any longer was, in a larger sense, taking into account the severely unnatural nature of them and their terrible effects on the world that stem from that, a good one. the issue is that from the very start he had no plan to actually undo the damage they caused by existing. His takeaway from the creation of the corruption shouldn't have been "I need to lock these things away, also this proves they're all shit", it should have been "I need a more concrete plan on how to set things to how they were before".

and obviously, going after random civilians is right out.

[shut tide]

This one by the way

[spring helm]

“I will burn this sinful world into purity”
“Didn’t you tell me great grandpa that like 139 years ago?”

[eager bluff]

its only a short jump from killing everyone related to the gods to just killing everyone

[shut tide]

I mean im sure some of em just wanted to burn shit to the ground

[eager bluff]

thats the thing

not all gods had influence on their surroundings

take xeroc for example

[shut tide]

i still feel bad for ilmeris

[sly bloom]

Xeroc is a bastard who kicked the whole thing off

[shut tide]

Thats what we are told

Yet

[real silo]

You could argue the only reason shit got as bad as it did was because of yharim killing the gods in the first place

[shut tide]

He seems to be quite a chill person

[sly bloom]

Immortality tends to mellow people out

[real silo]

The evils likely wouldn't exist if the gods weren't killed

[daring crater]

they certainly spawned their fair share of horrors even before any died. on a long enough timescale something is going to kill a god by accident or malice

[eager bluff]

the only damage caused by them is the killing of zeratros, everything else was done by others of their own free will without coercion

[buoyant inlet]

Yharim did a lot more harm to the world than gods

[sly bloom]

Instead you would just have divine dictators (The world evil gods are, like, canonically the worst)

[daring crater]

i mean you could say the same about the dude who killed archduke ferdinand

[eager bluff]

xeroc ascended and fucked right off

[real silo]

Also I feel like incinerating an entire sea is pretty fucking unnatural

[shut tide]

even then do we properly know the truth behind the ascension

sure yharim says something

but can you trust him?

[eager bluff]

absolutely not

[sly bloom]

I trust Yharim with my life

[shut tide]

mf probbably spreads propaganda against the gods

[eager bluff]

have you read literally any of the lore items

[raven terrace]

Would it have been better to let the gods just do their thing?

Was Yharim right in what he was doing?

Should we have looked for an alternative fix?

I know the potential answer to these-

[buoyant inlet]

Evil biomes spreaded because of him, an entire fucking sea was incinerated because of him, millions of people died because of him, and a lot of cultures and civilizations were ruined because of him

[sly bloom]

I think part of the point of Calamity lore is that basically everyone's in the wrong to some extent

[buoyant inlet]

Not all gods were awful

[shut tide]

look at ilmeris

[real silo]

Otonilou and tyrian made ilmeris prosper

[shut tide]

They did nothing wrong and yet yharim sends some teen to wipe it out

[buoyant inlet]

Killing a dragon is a morally iffy thing, this is true

However, you can do good things after your ascension

[eager bluff]

yeah yharim just had his viewpoint skewed by yharon being a pissy boomer

[buoyant inlet]

And there were benevolent gods

[raven terrace]

I'm willing to bet some dragons and humans agreed with each other to "fuse" and become a god to do good.

[shut tide]

However i still like how in yharons lore item, yharim acknowledges he has fallen from grace

[daring crater]

it's the organ harvesting paradox all over again

you can kill one dude to save ten people with the organs you can transplant out of him

[eager bluff]

theres a reason yharim never talks about the hallow

[daring crater]

does that make it a strictly good act according to a blind, naieve form of utilitarianism? yes

[shut tide]

I mean he talks about EoL, speaking of which, how did she manipluate primordial light

[daring crater]

but doctors don't kill patients to shorten the transplant list for a reason

[buoyant inlet]

Also even the slime god isn't bad

It's neutral

[shut tide]

Cuz... thats xerocs shit

[eager bluff]

eol yes not the hallow itself

[buoyant inlet]

And actually is pretty useful for the world

Slime god kept evil biomes in check

[shut tide]

isnt the hallow just... godly essence being released after WoF dying

[buoyant inlet]

Using blighted slimes as a roombas

[raven terrace]

Its the souls of many gods being unleashed

[eager bluff]

question the content of the godly essence

[real silo]

So slime god's job is cleaning up after yharim's mess

[raven terrace]

I had this chat earlier.

[buoyant inlet]

Slimes are good at absorbing things, so blighted slimes did absorb godly essence from evils

[raven terrace]

It's pretty much mostly debate I believe.

[eager bluff]

why does the hallow look so completely different from the other evils

why does it have this stereotypical sunshine and rainbows everything is good aesthetic

[raven terrace]

If you think about it, you never really kill a complete god at their strongest until hard mode.

[scenic olive]

Slime god

Eait

[real silo]

Slime god is at its full power

[scenic olive]

Wait

[eager bluff]

you dont kill sg until hardmode

[buoyant inlet]

Well, we know that blighted slimes were created with a purpose

[raven terrace]

He escapes after the fight.

[scenic olive]

Slime God is inside Queen Slime

[buoyant inlet]

And slime god was maintaining the balance of the world

[real silo]

Ok true

[eager bluff]

slime god transitions and becomes queen slime

[scenic olive]

That sounds weird

[eager bluff]

she is the worlds greatest trans icon

[raven terrace]

Queen Slime is in short, the Slime God's full power.

[scenic olive]

Not really full power

he only used the essence of hallow

[raven terrace]

Well best effort at that point-

[scenic olive]

To make queen slime

[raven terrace]

He got himself stuck inside.

[real silo]

Slime god's full power is actually goozma

[shut tide]

...

[scenic olive]

Goozma balls

[real silo]

Shut up mokkuuu

Stinky..

[sly bloom]

I don't think Goozma exists in modern lore

[eager bluff]

omw

[scenic olive]

[real silo]

Ok but it makes sense

[raven terrace]

Canonically, I believe Queen Slime is the strongest we see the Slime God, but he has the potential to have become stronger.

[real silo]

Goozma uses a bunch of different slimes

[shut tide]

most likely

[buoyant inlet]

I think fully full powered SG would be stronger, maybe like plantera level.

We do know slime god kept itself from growing stronger

[shut tide]

yeah but isnt goozma just... not canon

[real silo]

So if sg with only hallowed is hardmode level then sg with a ton of other biome slimes is bound to be pretty strong

[scenic olive]

Slime God slimes can use other godly essences

which is

insane

[eager bluff]

not really thats just something slimes do

[raven terrace]

It was only upon losing round 1 to you was when it realized
"Damn. I'm the only one doing anything here. I gotta stop them."
And goes all in with Queen Slime.

[sly bloom]

That time I ascended to godhood as a slime

[scenic olive]

imagine Slime God with the essence of Providence

[real silo]

Burns to ashes immediately

[shut tide]

that sounds like some anime

[real silo]

Either that or they turn into napalm

[scenic olive]

Who made the abyss

[sinful adder]

It fucks up with queen slime and loses control

[raven terrace]

Y'know, it's funny.

There are so many slime bosses that are typically portrayed as freaking ungodly levels of powerful.

[real silo]

John made in abyss

[shut tide]

Abyss is a natrual construct, silva redcorated it after yharim chucked her into there

[eager bluff]

afaik it was originally a natural fissure that silva expanded both times she was thrown in there

[sly bloom]

Into the water pit with Silva

[scenic olive]

Everything in that place doesnt look natural

[raven terrace]

So Queen Slime is essentially a vastly powered up Hallow Slime with the Slime God stuck inside it without direct control.

[shut tide]

thanks to silva

it didn't always look it does now

[scenic olive]

Guess what

[sly bloom]

Yharim should've just launched Silva into space

[scenic olive]

Silva dug her own grave

[shut tide]

honestly

[scenic olive]

well shes not dead

[shut tide]

that would've been a better idea

[scenic olive]

Eventually Silva stopped thinking

[sinful adder]

Silva will be back

[buoyant inlet]

Maybe SG stucking inside QS is a normal thing in a way.

What if he needs time to adapt and attune with new paladin. So theoretically after some time he would be able to escape and control it like crimulan and ebonian paladins

[sly bloom]

Then Silva just makes the Calamity equivalent of the TORIFUNE

[scenic olive]

I always come back

[shut tide]

Makes sense

[raven terrace]

Y'know, I wanted to ask.

Do you guys think Slime God can speak?
The Eater of Worlds could in that one DC comic Terraria made. Non-Canon but it's just a thought.

[buoyant inlet]

We just fight it at the point where he didn't attune with it fully

[sinful adder]

No. Imagine astral infection turned into good nature, with astrum deus instead of primordial wyrm

[shut tide]

Feel bad for uhh astrum aureus

[scenic olive]

Dont feel bad for machines

[shut tide]

draedon straight up just insults his own creation

[scenic olive]

[raven terrace]

Considering we push Queen Slime to a point where they evolve and fly like it's previous incarnations, yeah. It likely would have continued getting stronger.

[sly bloom]

Quite possibly. I'd assume any of the still-sentient gods can communicate, but choose not to

[daring crater]

if it had any ego to feel bad about itself the infection wouldnt have taken it in the first place

[sinful adder]

I wonder what would happen if Draedon's servers got astral on them

[sly bloom]

Gemini Home Entertainment

[sinful adder]

Hey lore writers. What if Silva was thrown into space and tamed the astral infection and deus instead

[buoyant inlet]

I think slime god can speak telepathically

[sinful adder]

(they might see this eventually)

[scenic olive]

Silva become the purple guy

[buoyant inlet]

And I think other gods with no mouth can do that as well

[daring crater]

if anything could tame the astral infection itd be slime god. astrageldon really would be slime god in another universe

[scenic olive]

Astral is weird

[raven terrace]

If the gods spoke to us, Providence would say the most despicable diabolical and vile sh*t to ever leave a being's mouth towards us.

[scenic olive]

Its supposed to be the higher truth

[shut tide]

providence the goddess of trash talking

[scenic olive]

Any mass would be converted by it

[sinful adder]

It's a fake higher truth, possibly

[sly bloom]

Providence vs. Devourer of Gods rap battle

[raven terrace]

Providence claps

[sly bloom]

But then DoG just eats her

[shut tide]

DoG halfway through tries to eat providence

[scenic olive]

Well its a form a mana that was created in the core of dying star

supposedly more stable

[sly bloom]

DoG killed Providence, but now he'll always feel like shit because Providence put the verbal smackdown on him

[real silo]

Kars

[scenic olive]

And compact

[sly bloom]

"Eventually, Silva stopped thinking."

[raven terrace]

What if we absorbed an Auric Soul?

[sly bloom]

We'd be strong as hell

[graceful otter]

"hooooooollllllyyyyyyyy shiiiiiittttt no wayyyyy" a squirrel entering the astral

[raven terrace]

"Squirrel Squire no! Remember the mission!"

[sly bloom]

To my understanding, being a strong person and absorbing the soul of a strong dragon are both aspects of a strong god

To this end, imagine if we eat Yharon's soul

[raven terrace]

Both already ungodly levels of strength.

The result...

[sly bloom]

I think we'd clap Xeroc harder than we already will

[raven terrace]

Would be nothing short of something...something.

[sinful adder]

The other aspect is being attuned

Also from what I understand, the player could never kill Xeroc. Not even any other god could

He's just that strong

[sly bloom]

Nah, I'd Win

[daring crater]

yeah xeroc was attuned to zeratros when he took his soul

no other god could likely say the same

[sinful adder]

Since when?

[cloud ibex]

If we absorbed Yharon’s soul I feel like the player could have at least had a chance

But that’s not happening

[sly bloom]

Simply shoot Xeroc harder

[shut tide]

cuz yk... yharons kinda out for a decade

[raven terrace]

Considering he absorbed the soul of the dragon king, that makes sense.

But putting the stats on the table, the endngame Terrarian fusing with a powerful dragon would easily give him a run for his money.

Think of it like Venom vs Riot.

Venom held his own against such a powerful symbiote because he had a good host. Normally he stood no chance by himself.

[daring crater]

strange matter is also infectious, potentially born in the heart of dead stars, and also more stable (which is why it's infectious)

[buoyant inlet]

Well, even before the ascension Xeroc was strong

[eager bluff]

and attuned with zeratros

[sly bloom]

For sure, but was he as strong as the Terrarian?

[eager bluff]

yes

[shut tide]

he was attuned?

[buoyant inlet]

Supposedly as strong as yharim is currently, or slightly weaker, and without his war experience

[sinful adder]

This is a stretch to say the least

[raven terrace]

Really? I find that hard to believe personally.

[eager bluff]

pre ascension concept art has some auric gear

[buoyant inlet]

According to Cei

It's not canon technically

Since it's not in game

But it's a food for thoughts

[daring crater]

being strong and absorbing the soul of the strongest dragon, which you are attuned to, is the literal best case scenario for powerscaling possible

[eager bluff]

its our best estimate

[sly bloom]

So weaker than the Terrarian, who ends up scaling to Noxus before the Xeroc fight

[raven terrace]

So in short, while we'd probably be superior to Xeroc at our bases, he's got the stronger soul and better attunement than we can ever gain. Even if we went through the impossibility of fusing with a being like Yharon, he's still far stronger in every sense of the word.

[buoyant inlet]

Well, it's not confirmed

[daring crater]

yharim absorbing yharon's soul would be the only thing that could come close and that's definitely not happening

[buoyant inlet]

We don't know how noxus fight will go

Endgame Terrarian is stronger than yharim, that's for sure

[shut tide]

and before anyone asks, No. Noxus is not a god

[buoyant inlet]

Well, when yharim is actually added

Currently we are not....

[neat tinsel]

Unless…

[shut tide]

No hes not.

[sly bloom]

Currently we're about on par

[daring crater]

noxus is some weird third thing

[eager bluff]

noxus is not

[shut tide]

Noxus is the being who controls the distortion

[sinful adder]

I do not think the player will be capable of beating noxus alone

[shut tide]

And presumebly also DoG and signus/ceasless

[sly bloom]

If we can beat up Noxus though, we're actually in the same ballpark of power as Xeroc

[sinful adder]

They'll specifically need Xeroc's help

[raven terrace]

Man. If you think about it, being stronger than a god without fusing with a dragon is quite literally an anamolic possibility.

Your surpassing the power of a being that has absorbed the auric soul of a dragon and ascended to levels of power unseen in the world.

Beings like Terrarian, Calamitas, Yharim, Xeroc, and Noxus are all on another level of special.

[buoyant inlet]

Xeroc is a lot stronger than noxus

[sly bloom]

I know that was planned for old lore, but I dunno if they kept that

[shut tide]

in terms of destructive power noxus is stronger

but overall

[sly bloom]

He's more skilled. Noxus outputs more power

[shut tide]

yes xeroc is on top

[eager bluff]

yeah xeroc easily crushes noxus

[shut tide]

fovos was him back when he was at full power

[sinful adder]

Noxus is a lot stronger than even Fovos at full power, so I don't think we will win alone

[scenic olive]

Nah id dodge

[shut tide]

you never know we might pull out some random op shit

[scenic olive]

[sly bloom]

If we can beat up Noxus, then we just need several hundred attempts and then we beat Xeroc

[sinful adder]

Anyways I should go

[shut tide]

Terrarian just goes "nah i'd calamity" and kills noxus

[sly bloom]

And then Xeroc because Xeroc is crigne

[shut tide]

Nah xeroc seems kinda chill

imagine watching all the gods be wiped out while your just chilling

[sly bloom]

He's chill, but he's not as epic and awesome as Yharim and Yharim hates him so I'm morally obligated to kill him

[shut tide]

yharim.. sucks because...

yeah

[sly bloom]

Nah, auric man epic

[scenic olive]

Yharim vs Xeroc Pre Ascension

[sly bloom]

Yharim slaps

[scenic olive]

Oops wrong reply

Nah Xeroc actually win this one

[buoyant inlet]

I think it depends

It's probably 50/50

[scenic olive]

Xeroc is also attuned to Zeratros

remember

[sly bloom]

If we're going on experience being such a deciding factor over raw power (Xeroc vs Noxus), Yharim slaps

[shut tide]

Anyways so.. has amidas and permafrost just.. forgiven cal for what she has done?

[sly bloom]

Also Yharim is attuned to Yharon and stronger on his own

[raven terrace]

Y'know, if Yharim is attuned with Yharon but not exactly fused, is he a demigod?

[shut tide]

Zeratros is stronger than yharon

[scenic olive]

Xeroc has far more knowledge

[shut tide]

Zeratros was the strongest dragon if i remember correctly

[sly bloom]

Yeah, but Yharon was reasonably close

Zeratros is listed as being comparable to Yharim in fighting skill at least

While being roughly equivalent in destructive power to Calamitas and the Exos IIRC

[buoyant inlet]

I'm pretty sure yharon got this strong after the war experience. He most likely was pretty strong, but not as much as he is now

Zaratros however always was stronger than him

[sly bloom]

Yeah, but the powerscaling question ignores the timeline

[raven terrace]

I'd say that Yharon is still not as strong as Zeratros.
Zeratros was king of the dragons for a reason.

[shut tide]

and fovos just shows up and