lore-discussion

[buoyant inlet]

On the full piece there was a separately drawn side view head on the right

And its face mask was bigger

[plucky spruce]

maybe tho

the weird angle was on purpose

to match how calamitas and cirrus just stand out from everyone because they also like to be on the weird angle

[fierce pagoda]

I guess Yharim doesnt have the luxury of looking like a traditional king, when super powerful threats lurk around every corner waiting to take his life

[plucky spruce]

don't think he ever looked like a "traditional king"

[hoary berry]

agreed

[solar wharf]

traditional kings

arent usually warriors

[fierce pagoda]

Mhm, the circumstances of his life never allowed him to look like anything other than a warrior

He always needs to be prepared and ready to fight

[random mulch]

he has the resources to get himself some drip

[hoary berry]

ready for the reveal that the hair isn't even a wig

got those exotech hair transplants

[plucky spruce]

yharim is just like brook

the universe doesn't cares if he's all fucked up, his hair needs to stay perfect

yharim will be the next skeleton with a lot of hair

[fierce pagoda]

Post-Yharim vanity accessory: Yharims wig

Wonder if there will be an Epilogue for Calamity

Like what happens in the years following the final battles of the terrarian

Which would be either Yharim, or Xeroc if he ever gets added

[plucky spruce]

deity without a name

[random mulch]

yes they do have a name, they're called xeroc

[plucky spruce]

[random mulch]

²

[tall delta]

I honestly also want that

like an aotc If attuned to the aerie or smt

[hoary berry]

true tyrant's ulti-ark of the cosmos

[tall delta]

so true

[real silo]

AotC is already good enough as a final upgrade imo

A dragon aerie attunement would be fucking awesome though

Maybe even a distortion one for galaxia

Wait I forgot aotc doesn't have attunements

[hoary berry]

that'd be sick

[hoary berry]

throw it in some fancy liquid in the distortion and get a new attunement

nvm that's a shit attainment method

[real silo]

Galaxia pro plus

maybe you get galaxia by throwing true bb into some distortion slop

[random mulch]

more people should make yharim designs, he is very flexible

[real silo]

Shimmer style

[hoary berry]

tbh by the time you get galaxia dog is already dead

[real silo]

Would be way cooler than just crafting it with cosmilite yeah

[hoary berry]

so i feel like the existing attunements sort of are distortion attunements

as if the distortion has mirrored attunements from terraria and imbued them with cosmic power

[real silo]

I do wonder when dragon aerie will get unlocked

It's either post scal/draedon or post yharon

[hoary berry]

i would want to fight yharon in the aerie tbh

[random mulch]

what the aerie was where you get auric

[hoary berry]

having it for yharim and nothing else would be very climactic but also kind of sad

in the sense that you see it once before progression is basically over

[random mulch]

could also work as contrast

imagine visiting the aerie a couple times before beating scal and draedon for auric or something and it having some nice ambiance and theme

and when you go there to fight yharim it's dead silent

[hoary berry]

i'm just imagining that, all you can hear is your own footsteps or wingbeats as you run/fly through the aerie, approaching yharim... then a super intense and spooky chord suddenly plays as yharim turns around to face you

[tall delta]

It does but they are all fused

learn the lore

[hoary berry]

it doesn't have attunements in the sense that the others do though

they exist within the weapon

but not as they do in the rest of the biome blade line

[tall delta]

yes indeed

[hoary berry]

because AotC is complex enough we don't need more

[real silo]

And the sound of rustling grass being blown by the wind

mmm

ambience my beloved

[random mulch]

no critters spawning

[hoary berry]

the scent of yharim's shampoo (?)...

it's gotta be pretty good to maintain those luscious locks

[random mulch]

what would yharim's theme be like

[hoary berry]

i'd love if it felt really organic

assuming the aerie isn't a wasteland, i think it would fit really well

[random mulch]

personally i'd love something orchestral

[real silo]

yeah

[wheat walrus]

CALAMITT SCALES TO BOUNDLESS!!!!!!!

RAAH

BARF

[real silo]

If you ask me what song fits yharim best I'd say catastrophes before the calamity

[wheat walrus]

it's good ig

[real silo]

I love it so much

[random mulch]

i require more people making yharim designs

[real silo]

I made mine a while ago

[random mulch]

show

[random mulch]

nice

[hoary berry]

why does he look so friendly

[real silo]

That palm is for slapping not handshaking

I may also be slightly too inspired by bondrewd

Who's a friendly lad

[hoary berry]

also the pauldrons look as sick as hell

as does the hair

[real silo]

The hair is very tacked on

I gotta improve it

It has the funny tiny waist issue

This is like 6 months old I've improved a ton since then

[hoary berry]

the hair does look a little detached ig

but as hair goes, i think it looks cool

has a nice texture to it

[scenic olive]

The Yharmic Energy

[real silo]

The yhawer source

[amber cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216518377506341004/1243652273595351131/togif.gif

[wheat walrus]

So truthful

[mossy pond]

that cat is literally me uwu

[shut tide]

the creature

[crimson finch]

That cat is stoned

This cart is hoping an April in its pals

[amber cedar]

this dock has an april in its melt

[sharp valve]

Ngl, but Yharim using a Potion mid battle would actually be sick

When he’s at 50% he chucks it and goes back to 80% HP

[real silo]

I was thinking of ironskin or swiftness but true

Making him randomly heal himself is bound to be unpopular with people

[crimson finch]

He drinks all the potion effects you have

[real silo]

yharim with the heartreach potion

[crimson finch]

And gives you the effects you inflict onto him

[graceful otter]

dont drink lifeforce

or endurance

[real silo]

yharim steals all your potions mithrix style

[graceful otter]

dont drink wrath or rage either

[real silo]

Go buffless

[graceful otter]

dont wanna make him do more dmg and also make him able to crit

[hoary berry]

load up on alcohols

see who has the better liver

[real silo]

TRUE

He is an old man he probably can't handle it

[hoary berry]

i've never even touched alcohol

my liver is at 100% durability

easy win

[real silo]

fr

I never used it because I love going full tank

[hoary berry]

i meant irl

but also in game ig

[graceful otter]

im european

[real silo]

ah

[graceful otter]

this automatically means my liver can sustain any damage provided by alcohol

[hoary berry]

actually that's a lie i dipped my finger in my mam's wine glass once and licked it when i was 5

[hoary berry]

same

[graceful otter]

it is one with my blood

this is me but with alcohol

[real silo]

I am muslim so the only alcohol I've touched is hand sanitizer

Crazy

[cloud ibex]

i had a sip of red wine a few years back

do not recommend

shit tastes rancid

[pliant ruin]

i like wine sometimes

i mainly just like mixed drinks tho

beer sucks ass

[graceful otter]

thats because red wine sucks ass

[pliant ruin]

hey can i kill someone hre

plz

[graceful otter]

kill leon

[pliant ruin]

i'm currently very spiteful and angry

can i kill someone plz

[graceful otter]

@cloud ibex come here u need to be used as a sacrifice

[buoyant inlet]

Go on

I can take it

[pliant ruin]

thank you

beats you to death

[cloud ibex]

🚿

[buoyant inlet]

Thanks

[solar wharf]

lmao me as well

[pliant ruin]

what about like

[buoyant inlet]

I don't want to exist in this corporeal realm anymore anyway

[pliant ruin]

cleaning alcohol

i forgot what its called

the one u use to clean the floor and stuff

[pliant ruin]

is this a joke or not i can't tell

you doin good homie

my brain is currently working 50% more impulsively and chaotically than usual by the way so excuse me if i say some dumb shit

[buoyant inlet]

I'm ascending to the next plane of existence

[solar wharf]

i love dumb shit

[pliant ruin]

and i'm already incredibly impulsive and chaotic on a normal day

so like

[buoyant inlet]

I'm escaping the cycle

[graceful otter]

something feels off

eh

gonna go eat dinner and finish everything up

left the hardest and most interesting ones to last

[humble fog]

Rubbing alcohol?

[stuck shore]

What pride flag represents Calamitas?

[glacial rampart]

aroace

[stuck shore]

Calamitas can still love those that are close to her in a way right?

Like the bros?

[solar wharf]

it would be a pretty sad life if a human couldnt love.

[stuck shore]

Wait what race is Calamitas?

[solar wharf]

azafurian

[shut tide]

Shes azafurian

[stuck shore]

Ah

[stuck shore]

Especially an Azafurian

[shut tide]

I mean having your home wiped out when your tryna defend it

[solar wharf]

specially when it can be blamed on you

idk how calamitas is living with that

[shut tide]

I mean she is kinda insane

[rotund shore]

my thesis statement on calamity lore would be calamitas needs therapy

[solar wharf]

nah she needs release

i dont think any amount of therapy is saving a sane human from what calamitas went thru

u killed ur parents
then ur city
then another entire city

ur only father figure left you

and now hates you

or atleast

dislikes you

probably not hate

[stuck shore]

Did the aroace trait come from the destruction of azafure or was she born one?

[glacial rampart]

aroace doesnt mean you cant love people 😭 it just means you're not romantically or sexually attracted to people

[stuck shore]

Understandable

[rotund shore]

I kind of want to do an analysis on what war crimes yharim has commited, since its apparent calamitas being a child soldier is one of em

but doing extensive research on what is and isnt a war crime would be exhausting

and then again the geneva convention almost certainly does not exist in Terraria

although the idea of amidias signing the geneva convention is really funny to me

[graceful otter]

@rotund shore

[rotund shore]

Thats very funny actually

[hallow dagger]

Yharim is one of my favorite characters in lore personally, it’s cool imo the connection he has with yharon and the story of how devourer of gods became so strong under his rule just to betray him through manipulation.

I like how he has multiple sides to, as if im right in believing the whispers dropped by bosses are yharim’s, he had a soft spot, as seen in the queen bee and plague bringer Goliath whispers, despite being known as a “brutal god slayer” and antagonist of the mod

(No real reason in pointing this out, just thought it was neat and wanted to talk about it as the developers did really well with the story so far)

[urban hedge]

Did DoG's actually betray Yharim yet? I don't think so. I think that at most it'd be manipulation of Yharim so he can consume stuff that makes him more powerful, but then again we have very little idea of what DoG has done in the past

[hallow dagger]

Well true

I didn’t think much about that tbh so that’s a fair point to bring up

[solar wharf]

hypocrisy

kills insane amount of people

around 100m at minimum, a calculation by cei

but bees?

thats too far man

[spring helm]

it's hypocritical of him, but i think that's also relatable

Not in the "I also want to kill millions of people" way, but in that a lot of people also have morals and lines that are seemingly arbitrarily drawn

[solar wharf]

oh no yeah thats just human nature

no one has perfect morals

it can be selfish in a sense

[mighty zenith]

yharim's thoughts of bees is like how people could not care less about people dying in movies but can bawl their eyes out at animals dying

(its me, im people)

[warm hound]

the lore description item for brimstone elemental says that calamitas tried to fight it, but neither of them could win. obviously now calamitas would win but did she get stronger or did the brimstone elemental get weaker?

[hallow dagger]

I’ve got a feeling calamitas got stronger

[spring helm]

Calamitas awakened her powers in that same fight, at the age of 12/13

it's fairly reasonable to think that she got stronger
even if not by raw magical power, then just learning how to control her abilities from Permafrost

[mighty zenith]

she was much younger, like an early teen or so, which means she was obviously less skilled at using her powers (if at all) and its implied her magical properties aren't exactly natural

[solar wharf]

probably a mixture of both

this is just my assumaption not confirmed

calamitas got stronger and due to azafure collapse which halted brimstone production

and since brimestone is an elemental

which we could assume gets stronger the more of itself exists

[buoyant inlet]

doing a critter for critter contest

how would you call it

[humble fog]

Looks like the rain world rabbit things

Sorta

[buoyant inlet]

this was a big inspiration

[fierce pagoda]

You think that would taste good?

[buoyant inlet]

no

[warm hound]

Silt strider from Morrowind

[scenic olive]

Can you cook the flesh from crimson biome

[brazen coral]

Yes

6x Crimstone Blocks @ Flesh Grinder = 2x Flesh Blocks

8x Flesh Blocks + 6x Bones @ Hellforge = BBQ Ribs

Numbers might be off, unfortunately

[autumn mango]

Yeah so far DoG hasn't betrayed him. He actually saved Yharim pretty recently in his fight against Statis and Braelor.

[neat tinsel]

More like a third party kill steal

[pliant ruin]

would NOT call it a kill steal

yharim was about to fucking die

if it wasn't for DoG bro would've been 5 feet bellow

[pliant ruin]

evil lookign deer rabbit guy

honestly v cool i like him

[graceful otter]

man doesnt even get 6 feet

[pliant ruin]

i forgot the expression was 6 feet and thought it was 5 but honestly it's funnier that way 😭

[buoyant inlet]

He's not evil he's wise mystical....

[pliant ruin]

wise mystical deer rabbit

honestly a large critter sounds like it'd be cool as hell

[golden oasis]

is noxus also an auric creature or does he just kind of exist disconnected to all of that nonsense

[real silo]

Latter

[graceful otter]

noxus is from the distortion

[slender ingot]

Nah, I believe that Noxus IS the distortion

[golden oasis]

in the past, there were plans to make noxus a fightable superboss after yharim so ive heard
are those plans still in place or is noxus just a thing in the lore now?

[mighty zenith]

those are plans, but not guaranteed ones

if the devs just become
very tired of the mod after Yharim

[golden oasis]

i HAVE heard we might also PHYSICALLY enter the distortion one day in the form of a subworld, if we DO fight noxus, that would be a fitting location

[pliant ruin]

Ya we will

the distortion part is confirmed/guaranteed unless something unexpected happens

Noxus itself is the one that's not entirely guaranteed

[golden oasis]

gotcha

wonder what nonsense we'll find in there
if DOG and sentinels originated from in there, who knows what to expect

[pliant ruin]

It'll be a entire biome so probably some crazy stuff

We'll fight DoG there or atleast his second phase

I also think it might be fitting to fight signus there

it seems more fitting than. the underworld, for whatever reason

but who knows

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic olive]

looks fried like yharon

[spring helm]

did you order original recipe or extra crispy?

[jovial ridge]

I ordered Spicy

[fierce pagoda]

Isn't it crazy how some random species of Sharks managed to grow stronger then Eidolon wyrms which are literal descendants of Dragons

the reaper sharks are the apex predator of the abyss

the discord mods of the abyss if you will

[jovial ridge]

There’s a reason why sharks changed little over millions of years of evolution

[fierce pagoda]

Bro grew arms tho

I keep thinking of that one image of a reaper shark with legs

[jovial ridge]

They’re a recent mutation caused by the sulphur sea and are vestigial anyway

The entire planet is doomed the moment the reaper shark’s arms can do things

[spring helm]

i think the arms are getting remved eventually

if true, would be extremely sad

[fierce pagoda]

They're vestigial? i thought their bestiary entry mentioned that they use them to crush eidolon wyrms skulls or something

"Using their arms for purposes from hurling colossal squids into the Abyss' walls to crushing the heavily armored heads of eidolon wyrms, few can match their raw strength."

[stark basalt]

Calamitas is beating all might ngl

[fierce pagoda]

yeah here we go,

[stark basalt]

Brimstone gigablast go brr

[fierce pagoda]

what is allmights greatest feat

[stark basalt]

No idea

💀💀

I just don’t like his smile

[spring helm]

one punch cleared the sky of rain

[stark basalt]

Bro thinks he’s sans

[spring helm]

that's not his greatest, but it's one i remember off the top of my head

[pliant ruin]

them being vestigial would imply that the reaper shark's ancestors had developed arms

which

has some. implications.

[stark basalt]

Holy shit is cheese

[pliant ruin]

honestly as much as the buff shark man arms are rly funny i wouldn't mind if they got removed cuz they feel kind of wacky n silly when compared to like

everything else in the abyss

or in the mod in general honestly it seems more like a vanilla terraria thing

[stark basalt]

Wait nooooo

Buff shark arms

We love buff shark arms

[spring helm]

sad for me then i suppose
i like the occasional wackiness

[jovial ridge]

A tragic moment in evolutionary history

[stark basalt]

Calamity is so serious

Give me funny buff boi

[fierce pagoda]

if they're gonna remove its arms they're gonna have to rewrite its bestiary entry too

[jovial ridge]

Reaper sharks were so close to tool use

[pliant ruin]

i like wackyness but i feel like giving a shark big buff arms feels less like the calamity type of wacky and more of the terraria type of wacky

[stark basalt]

Calamity wacky would be giving the shark childhood trauma

[fierce pagoda]

we can have this little wacky creature, as a treat

[stark basalt]

Every calamity fan deserves lil a shark arms

[fierce pagoda]

Wulfrum rover vs Reaper shark who takes it

[pliant ruin]

calamity wacky is more character driven funnies i feel

terraria wacky is pop culture references and stupid funny poop haha

[jovial ridge]

Neither

[spring helm]

haha

[stark basalt]

Wulfrum rover is actually a planet buster

[pliant ruin]

talking about sharks did u know like really really old sharks looked like sea serpents

like some of the earliest types of sharks

[stark basalt]

Sharks are scary

But I love them

[pliant ruin]

i feel like i've said this before actually but idc cuz its radical

[fierce pagoda]

what do you think they tasted like

old sharks i mean

like current day eels?

[stark basalt]

That should the the cool thingy of the day

[pliant ruin]

beloved

beloved

[stark basalt]

Shark angry asf

Ik that guy is hungry

[jovial ridge]

That is rad

[fierce pagoda]

are whale sharks actually sharks

or whales

[jovial ridge]

They’re sharks

[scenic olive]

how did i manage to fuck this up

[stark basalt]

Wait what is it?

[fierce pagoda]

then whale sharks would be the largest fish right?

[stark basalt]

What kind of sword

[scenic olive]

sword

[stark basalt]

Yer

[scenic olive]

[stark basalt]

Xeroc champion sword?

[scenic olive]

no

[stark basalt]

You’re killing me

[scenic olive]

it was exo something

[pliant ruin]

yes

[scenic olive]

draedon related sword

[fierce pagoda]

isnt it crazy how Blue whales are the largest animal to ever exist in history

[scenic olive]

not exo specific

[fierce pagoda]

kinda crazy

[pliant ruin]

giant ichtyosaur wants to know your location

they are for now, atleast :p

[fierce pagoda]

and largest living organism is some sort of seagrass

[glacial rampart]

flushes red down the toilet

[scenic olive]

its actually your mo-

[pliant ruin]

he's just a old man his sense of humour is different okay

[scenic olive]

[pliant ruin]

let the old guy be old

[fierce pagoda]

damn my mom is dead actually

[pliant ruin]

twinning

[scenic olive]

i was about to say the monster under your bed

[pliant ruin]

but uh

[scenic olive]

also im so sorry for that

[pliant ruin]

there is actually

one critter

[fierce pagoda]

ok she's not dead but i wanted you to feel bad

[pliant ruin]

that might be bigger than a blue whale

[pliant ruin]

ok not twinning

nvm

[scenic olive]

how could you

[stark basalt]

[fierce pagoda]

now im sorry

[stark basalt]

[fierce pagoda]

im sorry mom for joking about your ddeath

[pliant ruin]

wouldn't it be cool if there was a extinct animal that was not an adult and already rivaled the size of the blue whale

[stark basalt]

[pliant ruin]

and also did i mention that this animal isn't like a whale where it ate plantkon and little shrimp

it actually was just a fucking predator that hunted other animals actively

wouldn't that be cool

[fierce pagoda]

i refuse to believe that the icthyosarus or whatever is larger than the blue whale

[stark basalt]

What is it?

[pliant ruin]

i'm glad there's nothing like that in the fossil record. mhm.

i'm gl-

[fierce pagoda]

blue whales are way cooler idc

[stark basalt]

Blue whales are stinky smelly plankton eaters

I wanna hear about the gigachad extinct fishy guy

[pliant ruin]

oh .

[glacial rampart]

evolution casually making the coolest shit ever

[fierce pagoda]

i dont think there are enough reliable sources that the ichtyosaur was any larger than blue whales

[pliant ruin]

"hey what if we made a new marine reptile"

"we already have plenty of those don't we"

[stark basalt]

Evolution not allowing us to see the coolest creatures makes me angry

[pliant ruin]

"yeah but like. this one is big"

"well the others are pretty big"

[stark basalt]

Why couldn’t we evolve quicker

[pliant ruin]

"no like, this one is big big. Like this guy is so fucking big that the one specimen we have of it is a immature individual and it's already on the top 5 largest animals of all time "

"oh... oh sure i guess. that's. that's cool. so i'm assuming it'll be a filter feeder like a whale, eating plankton and stu-"

"predator."

"what?"

"predator. active predator"

"wh-"

"if it sees you on the water it's gonna fucking kill you"

"dude i think you have a problem"

[fierce pagoda]

anyways, bow down for pando, largest living organism by mass

giant clonal colony of trees

[jovial ridge]

I’m more of a Paleozoic fan myself

Love me my giant bugs

[pliant ruin]

crazy

[glacial rampart]

blah blah blah shut UP bro it would be COOL

[pliant ruin]

Honestly i don't have a particular favorite period

Animal is cool

[pliant ruin]

That's not even correct btw

There is actually a ichtyosaur that undeniably is that big

Was described earlier this year

While we don't actually know how big the adult was cuz yk

immature specimen

the fact that the specimen we have, which is not an adult, is already big enough to literally be bigger than every other animal except a small amount of whales is. concerning

and also it's. you know. a macropredator

[fierce pagoda]

still dont think an adult would be bigger than the biggest blue whale

[stark basalt]

Ichtyosaur ark survival evolved

[pliant ruin]

maybe not but there's a undeniable possibility given

yeah

and also the fact there's another undescribed giant ichtyosaur that's actually even larger

and that one is apparently also not fully grown

[glacial rampart]

blah blah blah

[pliant ruin]

While i don't think it's guaranteed that some ichtyosaur is gonna be larger than a blue whale

i

i think it's honestly really plausible at this point

ichtyosaurs have been the top contender for ''animal larger than the blue whale" for like, forever

[spring helm]

hey guys, not to rain on your parade but
move this to geeral or something before we get in trouble

[pliant ruin]

if anything is ever gonna dethrone it, it's gonna be one of em

wait ur right

thank u popcorn

[jovial ridge]

One of my favorite ancient critters is the Tully monster

[pliant ruin]

#general-talk GO HERE NOW

RAAARG

[fierce pagoda]

damn im looking for answers everywhere, almost no one agrees that the ichthyosaurus possibly was bigger than the blue whale

[glacial rampart]

ichthyosaurus probably existed in calamity

[pliant ruin]

WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE

GENERAL

GENRATG

]NM

PMAWLHMOMAM

HLM

MO

ARRRR

[humble fog]

Cheese got that dog in her

[forest knot]

Cheese dog

[real silo]

Chanine

[humble fog]

Cheddar canine

[scenic olive]

if ark of the cosmos consist of two parts can we name each of the blades

[vocal snow]

is there anything about noxus in new lore?

[real silo]

not much is known

We only know that noxus is dog's boss

[plucky juniper]

i thought they were the same thing

[tranquil seal]

Ark and cosmo

[real silo]

Ark is cosmos and cosmos is ark

[scenic olive]

alt and raxia

i think the blade doesnt fit the handle

[real silo]

qhar

[real silo]

Better yet

Altraxia and alternaxia

[spring helm]

Big and Rip

[stark basalt]

The Lorde vs Goku both bloodlusted, starting 10m away from each other in an empty Walmart, speed equalized, both in base form, who wins

[scenic olive]

john wulfrum

[hasty jay]

Goku wins if he lasts long enough for the Lorde's AI to switch to something that causes it to instantly despawn

[stark basalt]

Goku solos

[stark basalt]

facts my king

[vocal snow]

The Lorde neg diffs fraudku

[glacial rampart]

could people check the names of their emotes and stickers before posting them in public servers

[vocal snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102642727117656165/1234359284364607488/attachment-7-5.gif

[hasty jay]

Imo it's practically a coinflip
Either Goku gets lucky and the Lorde gets AI that makes him a cakewalk
Or the Lorde gets some goofy ahh wombo combo like BoC teleport directly on Goku into Ceaseless Void vacuum or something like that and autowins

[stark basalt]

Goku has irrelevant speed though

The lorde most likely couldn’t hit him

[hasty jay]

the fight specifically said speed equalized, so speed tiers are irrelevent anyways

[stark basalt]

Oh so it’s just who scales higher

[hasty jay]

No
it's
speed equalized

There's no speed scaling

[stark basalt]

Yeah so it’s a matter of who scales higher then

[hasty jay]

for what

[stark basalt]

If they both have equal speed

[stark basalt]

In terms of ap strength and durability

[hasty jay]

Also I will say the specs don't mention when Goku is put into this fight, so there is that to consider
Tho I will also say that after Battle of Gods scaling gets pretty weird and a pain to deal with
Like MUI Goku can evenly fight Jiren, who's stronger than the gods, but True UI Goku gets no diffed by Black Freeza, who's almost at the level of gods

[stark basalt]

That’s because dbs is shit

Okay that’s a little harsh but z is miles better

[hasty jay]

I haven't watched either so I can't judge, I just know tidbits from cultural osmosis and watching DBZ youtubers sometimes

[pliant ruin]

i think i could beat goku

[stark basalt]

You’ll need to go even further beyond

[spring helm]

It’s pride month lorers

You know what that means

[pliant ruin]

we're gonna have to make

gay lore?

what

[humble fog]

The lore already is gay

[glacial rampart]

dragon ball z when

suffocated with filler

read the manga tbh :D

[pliant ruin]

dragon ball z when

wyvern cube x shows up

[hasty jay]

FISH

[hoary berry]

"it's all gay?"

"always has been"

[calm patio]

@wheat walrus can we get some facts check here

[thick slate]

with all due respect, lorde gets his ass whooped

[pliant ruin]

coke you should rename yourself to woke

for pride month

[latent bolt]

the lorde would suplex goku

[stoic terrace]

Destroyer: Army of Yharim's best soldiers

Twins: Watchers and Assasins

SPrime: Literally so fucking angry at the gods that they will kill with no remorse

@raven terrace

[raven terrace]

Jesus.

Destroyer and Twins at least served somewhat of a better purpose.

Prime is just the result of war crimes in Yharim's name.

[stoic terrace]

Prime hosts the souls of the soldiers that literally served yharim with no hesistation

and would do ANYTHING

bc they hated the gods so much

I think its said in the lore item that they were the ones with flamethrowers and other illegal weaponry

[raven terrace]

No doubt a few of those things were merciless in tearing whatever they got their hands on apart.

Battles between these massive mechs and the gods would have been amazing though to watch.

[stoic terrace]

they didnt defeat gods

[raven terrace]

Probably not for the villagers-

[upper umbra]

""illegal" weaponry"

whos gonna sue them? draedon?

[raven terrace]

Really? Were they simply not enough?

[stoic terrace]

they fought armies that served the gods

army of ilmeris, azafure, yk

[raven terrace]

I can imagine a random guy just outside Yharim's castle.

"HEY! I SUE YOU! GET DOWN HERE!"

[stoic terrace]

in terms of real life

[thick slate]

so true

[stoic terrace]

flamethrowers are not allowed in war

[raven terrace]

So in those wars you'd just see those hulking masses of metal tearing through anything in their path. I'm assuming they were the equivalent of tanks and stuff back then.

[stoic terrace]

and is considered a warcrime

[stoic terrace]

yeah basically

[rose bramble]

Unless you only let them damage important military targets

[mighty zenith]

encountering Destroyer would probably be terrifying

[stoic terrace]

Destroyer also helped with collecting minerals and stiff

[thick slate]

i could beat destroyer

irl

[stoic terrace]

SPrime is literally a pure cold blooded war machine

Twins were for intel

[upper umbra]

metal worm vs plane

[raven terrace]

In base and calamity terraria, I think it's aaid the Destroyer caused literal earthquakes in it's presence alone. Terrifying as hell.

[stoic terrace]

I mean

[thick slate]

unleashing democracy

💥

[stoic terrace]

It's status message literally says it

"You feel vibrations from deep below..."

[upper umbra]

i just dont get wtf primes status message has to do with him

why is the air cold

[raven terrace]

Funny to think Draedon took one look at the mechs and went
"Oh yeah. These will definitely be my baseline for my magnum opuses. Definitely not some other force. Just these conveniently."

[stoic terrace]

Which makes you realize how strong the Terrarian already is at that point in time

Destroyer and prime took down armies

[raven terrace]

As I said. If we got the mechs attention, we were getting dangerously strong already.

[stoic terrace]

Keep in mind these mechs were early in the crusade

[calm patio]

also. yharim wiped out half of humanity iirc

[stoic terrace]

And draedon wasn't as technologically advanced

[raven terrace]

And yet from how it seems to be implied, even they were no match for the gods might.

[stoic terrace]

ehhh

i don't know if the mechs actually did that themself

Or if yharim did that

Of course there will be weaker gods than others

[raven terrace]

Either way, wasn't it said Draedon's machines were the only machines to ever surpass the upper tier gods in strength?

I'm talking about old lore I think-

[calm patio]

i think thats old lore dialog?

[stoic terrace]

Old lore prolly

Lole

[raven terrace]

Still, his machines are endgame level. No doubt they'd hold their own to high tier ones.

[stoic terrace]

at that point in time it was some of his better work

compared to current draedon which makes machines to even defeat people like calamitas herself

[pliant ruin]

I mean

it's less that that's implied, it's just that it's straight up canon lol

[mighty zenith]

his weakest machines that we know of can beat slime god so yeah

[stoic terrace]

fair pointd

[mighty zenith]

plus exos

[pliant ruin]

Literally every god we fight is weaker than the Exo Mechs, including Providence who is known to be a powerful god

[mighty zenith]

which body every god except xeroc

[stoic terrace]

exos just existing is fum

[pliant ruin]

The only god who 100% is stronger than them is ofc xeroc

[stoic terrace]

Wondering if Exos can body Fovos

Prolly not actually

Nvm

[raven terrace]

Y'know, I've always had a headcanon.

Bear in mind it won't make sense.

It was always a funny headcanon of mine that whoever you fight first, the other kills. If you fight the Exo Mechs, Calamitas would just destroy the last one by herself.

If you fought Calamitas first, she'd be overwhelmed by the Exo Mechs coming in out of nowhere.

Of course it makes zero sense lore wise, but it was an idea that just popped in my head one night and wouldn't leave since. I thought it was interesting enough.

[rose bramble]

Is Yharim after Xeroc or is he chill
Unfortunately Pwyrm and boss rush don't have lore items so I wouldn't know

[pliant ruin]

Yharim fucking HATES xeroc

[mighty zenith]

Yharim was after Xeroc but realized he stands no fucking chance

so he's just being salty about it now

[pliant ruin]

like he's probably the single person yharim would hate the most

[stoic terrace]

I dont think hes salty

[pliant ruin]

but also xeroc would absolutely fucking pummel yharim

[stoic terrace]

I think he's more so in a state of depression

Realizing he will never win

[raven terrace]

Tbf, Providence would have been way up there if she finished cooking in the sun.

[pliant ruin]

if anything i think yharim's current in-game arc is him accepting he ain't gonna beat xeroc and trying to influence you to be his successor

[pliant ruin]

Providence isn't related to the sun

that's old lore stuffz

[raven terrace]

Damnit. More old lore stuff.

Speaking of which-

I got the first really lore juicy one. Brimstone Elemental.

[rose bramble]

Yharim when Xeroc makes him fight his entire army:

[pliant ruin]

Providence is just a evil bastard now

[stoic terrace]

We aint beating Xeroc

Xeroc is simply too strong

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc dosen't even have a army

Xeroc is just one guy that's so damn strong that nobody we know of including even the terrarian could beat them

[stoic terrace]

Pretty sure that is already confirmed

[rose bramble]

No, Yharim's army

[pliant ruin]

ohh

mb

mb

honestly i think xeroc would cook em lol

we don't know the specifics of how strong he is but honestly i do not doubt it

[raven terrace]

From what I understand, BE just spent all their time sleeping and watching over the city.

One day they woke up through uncomfirmed means and randomly chose violence for no reason at all.

Calamitas chooses the worst time to show up and randomly fight her.

Boom! Azafure's destruction!

[upper umbra]

lmao

[pliant ruin]

Brimstone elemental woke up

[raven terrace]

Shush.

[pliant ruin]

decided

Kill

[stoic terrace]

Distortion mfers looking at terraria as Yharim does the job of wiping out the gods for them to take over

[upper umbra]

also isnt provi being cooked in the sun old lore??

[pliant ruin]

and child calamitas was like

[stoic terrace]

[pliant ruin]

i need to protect my family!!!

and then she accidentaly unleashes magical power she didn't know she had way beyond her control and blows everything up by accident

[upper umbra]

destroys city instead

[stoic terrace]

not really

[rose bramble]

He summons stronger versions of Yharim's strongest soldiers back to back to back to back

[raven terrace]

Poor Calamitas. She's going through the average shounen protagonist start.

[pliant ruin]

You're watching some crazy shounens i'll be fr

[stoic terrace]

calamitas wasnt as strong as she was after fighting brimmy

[raven terrace]

Dbz. Mha. OPM.

I just exaggerated it for the funny.

[pliant ruin]

do goku and deku blow up their entire city and kill their family by complete accident did i miss something

[raven terrace]

Nah. Just describing my favorites.

[pliant ruin]

new mha season going crazy

Also i personally am not sure if OPM would be a shonen but that's debatable

[raven terrace]

I'm pretty sure both Brimmy and Calamitas were heavily weakened after the battle that shook Hell.

[stoic terrace]

we can only suspect that calamitas took brimmy's power during their fight and that's how she's gotten so strong

[pliant ruin]

I doubt it

[stoic terrace]

Lol

Brimy was

[raven terrace]

YES! THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT!

[pliant ruin]

Alot of people seem to have

[stoic terrace]

Calamitas got a huge buss

[pliant ruin]

immediately jumped into the conclusion

[stoic terrace]

buff*

[pliant ruin]

that calamitas's power derives from the brimstone elemental based on the lore we have regarding their similarities

And while that is a passable theory

[raven terrace]

Calamitas originally wielded Dark Magic right?

Didn't her Brimstone powers appear and grow way stronger around after the fight with Brimmy?

[pliant ruin]

it's kind of weird how ppl just jumped into it being seemingly regarded as fact when nothing confirms that

[stoic terrace]

ask the codebreaker and i'm fairly certain that calamitas seemed stronger than before that fight

[pliant ruin]

I'm a much stronger believer that both brimmy and cal's powers emerged from the same source

[stoic terrace]

And Draedon did not know how

[pliant ruin]

rather than

cal power emerging from brimmy

[pliant ruin]

Cal has brimstone and necromantic magic

we don't know if she really had any particular magic prior

I'd imagine if she did it'd be really weak magic given

1. she didn't expect to unleash so much power

2. she was a child

[raven terrace]

Magic apparently enough to fight a high tier elemental as a child.

[pliant ruin]

That magic was a sudden burst

It wasn't something she had prior

The entire reason she, y'know

destroyed the city

[raven terrace]

I like your funny words cheese man.

[stoic terrace]

The mage of all mages (permafrost) literally felt the immense magic from her as a child

[pliant ruin]

is because she seemingly didn't have control over it nor expected it to be that strong

[pliant ruin]

This was after the brimstone elemental incident

[stoic terrace]

saying she didnt have any would be false

[pliant ruin]

and that's also not mutually exclusive

She could've always had the potential

my point is

she might've not wielded any particularly powerful magics prior to the awakening

That would be a weird narrative decision

[pliant ruin]

I'm girl btw

[raven terrace]

I like your funny words cheese grill.

[rose bramble]

I wish Primordial Wyrm and Boss Rush had lore items

[upper umbra]

i mean

[raven terrace]

Or should I say...

GRILLED CHEESE!?

[upper umbra]

boss rush is lore

[pliant ruin]

tbf primordial wyrm is kind of

''irrelevant" big quotes

it's not actually irrelevant but

[mighty zenith]

jared fel ouf

[pliant ruin]

it's lore is less

LORE lore

and more

[raven terrace]

From what I see in the new lore, tons of uncomfirmed stuff regarding the calamitas clone.

[pliant ruin]

cool worldbuilding

[mighty zenith]

lomre

[rose bramble]

Still wanna know what Yharim thinks of the big fish

[upper umbra]

what point would jared even serve in lore

[raven terrace]

I'm half sure it's just said the clone is inside the shell to avoid having to do a resprite-

[pliant ruin]

Jared is a really really old fish that silva went Katchow in and made stronger

He was already rly strong prior but silva made him really strong^2

[pliant ruin]

Oh there'll 100% be a resprite and rework

The reason clonelamitas feels so weird rn is mostly

[upper umbra]

was silva just rlly fucking bored

[pliant ruin]

the lore for it feels completely separate from the ingame character

[upper umbra]

to rebrand the entire abyss

[pliant ruin]

cuz yk

[stoic terrace]

still not strong enough to beat xeroc

[pliant ruin]

outdated bossfight and stuff

[pliant ruin]

I don't remember if we know why she gave it the blessing

But i'd imagine

[stoic terrace]

though i think silva might be the 2nd or 3rd most strongest god

[pliant ruin]

to guard the terminus

[upper umbra]

wasnt it xeroc who sealed the terminus

[pliant ruin]

I'm not sure if Silva wants to guard the Terminus for xeroc or from xeroc though which is a interesting prospect

[raven terrace]

I mean, I have a working theory.

Calamitas's power was too strong even for the strongest thing they had to contain it within body.

Opting to use a metal shell for the clone to pilot from within, it contained the power but drove the clone mad in the process.

it would be a failure both due to the mental failure and the pitiful power compared to the real Calamitas's own.

[pliant ruin]

If it's the first it's imply they're allies to some extent, if it's the second it implies... they're enemies, to some extent

[oblique comet]

xeroc tossed it in there and now primordial wyrm protects it iirc

or maybe not really protect

[rose bramble]

Could Yharim beat boss rush?

[oblique comet]

moreso he just happends to he in the same place

[pliant ruin]

I mean

the lore we have right now

strangely dosen't seem to imply clonelamitas is particularly aberrant

so either the rework will make her atleast slightly less monstrous or she became a fucked up creature for some reason currently unknown to us

[upper umbra]

isnt cal clone like

[oblique comet]

probably not once cus once yharim is added he will be added to the br roster

[upper umbra]

unrelated to actual scal

[pliant ruin]

she is related

draedon made her to try replicating her powers

after yharim kicked him out of his army

[oblique comet]

and br bosses are usually tougher than their normal counterparts

[rose bramble]

Fair point

[raven terrace]

I really want to say Calamitas likes the clone...

But i'm pretty sure she despises it and would vaporize it on sight. Much like anyone else would seeing a monstrous clone of themselves that they got the power to put down.

[pliant ruin]

Actually

Calamitas freed the clone

[raven terrace]

In a "fuck you" manner? Or a "be free" genuine manner?

[pliant ruin]

Latter

[raven terrace]

Huh...

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas's entire depression and trauma can all be traced back to her being used as a tool by Yharim and doing horrible actions that she thought were good due to his manipulation when she wasn't even a adult

[oblique comet]

lew nore moment...

[pliant ruin]

It's pretty clear to me that she wouldn't want another person to go through the same

She freed Clonelamitas from Draedon's lab after sneaking into it one day

It also seems like Clonelamitas only got her powers after coming in contact with Calamitas, whether it was just a literal coming in contact thing or Calamitas willingly gave her power though is unknown as of the moment

i'd believe it might be the first given

it's the same thing that happened with brimmy

[raven terrace]

I don't think she really thought the consequences through.

She unleashed a monster.

[pliant ruin]

Again

the current lore

[rose bramble]

Calamitas wouldn't wish her own situation on a shitty version of herself

[pliant ruin]

really dosen't seem to depict clonelamitas as a monster, nothing written seems to refer to her as aberrant

if anything

it seems to almost imply clonelamitas is supposed to quite literally be a cloned calamitas and nothing else

gotta keep in mind current clone is... heavily outdated and dosen't really follow any of the current lore

[raven terrace]

I mean, the clone does seem to speak in a similar manner Calamitas would.

The only weird thing would be the clone's appearance and it's "brothers" which are just puppets to control.

[pliant ruin]

All of calamity's dialogue is outdated minus draedon so you can probably ignore that lmao

[raven terrace]

If anything

[upper umbra]

even br?

[raven terrace]

I think Infernum has the closest version of Calamitus Clone so far.

[pliant ruin]

oh no

boss rush is fine too

forgot abt that

i more so meant

NPC and boss dialogue

it'll all get rewritten eventually

current calamitas dialogue isn't a good reflection of her character

[oblique comet]

the great dialogue rewrite...

[rose bramble]

Even the pirate telling you about a mythical sea monster?

[pliant ruin]

that's a vanilla npc

[raven terrace]

I do like that after you beat her once and fight her again, she treats it like a spar rather than a life or death fight.

[pliant ruin]

vanilla npcs are genuinely less of a character within the lore than a Cannonbal Jellyfish and i wish i was joking

Cannonball Jellyfish:
-Canonically exist within the mod's universe
-Have worldbuilding dedicated to them in both of their bestiary entries

Vanilla NPC:
-Literally just random people
-Have literally 0 calamity lore dedicated to them

except like. the dryad lmao

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i think that's neat

I honestly imagine Calamitas as a person that would try her best to avoid hurting others as much as possible but is also incredibly mentally unstable and prone to having bursts of emotion that may lead to it if put under pressure

[raven terrace]

I made it to Golem.
Oh Golem.
Poor poor Golem.
Even Calamity's done ya dirty huh?

[jaunty wraith]

Fun fact, miracle matter is so complicated not even Draedon knew how to make it, your the first one who figured it out...

Except no your not, the guide knows how to as well

[raven terrace]

Guide knows pretty much everything.

I always go to him instead of the wiki for recipes.

[calm patio]

the terrarian calls it miracle matter

[jaunty wraith]

Recipe browser mod

[pliant ruin]

I also imagine Calamitas would probably feel incredibly guilty if she ended up hurting anyone seriously - I honestly do not doubt in a alternate reality where she actually wins against the terrarian and kills them she'd eventually calm down look at the scorched fields around her and the mangled corpse bellow and just go
Oh god.

I thought you were stronger.mp4

[rose bramble]

Beta mad scientist Dreadon vs Chad all-knowing Guide

[raven terrace]

Tbf, you challenged her.
A being of power with might unseen in many years would be startling to see so suddenly.

[raven terrace]

Yes!

[pliant ruin]

It's not as much that you challenged hr

it's that she let her emotions and trauma take over her because she assumed you'd be just like yharim

[jaunty wraith]

What if the big twist with the guide is that he was secretly xeroc the whole time

[pliant ruin]

I feel like if she actually killed you

she'd obviously

eventually calm down

[oblique comet]

canonically she comes after you to make sure there isnt a yharim 2.0

[pliant ruin]

her emotions would stabilize

[rose bramble]

Vanilla ass meme lore

[raven terrace]

Mostly out of regret and guilt, and probably partly because you weren't strong enough to be a threat to her and as an extent, Yharim.

So it was for naught.

[pliant ruin]

and then she'd realize that she's just killed someone again that she didn't even truly have any proof of being a Bad Person after isolating herself for so long specifically out of guilt for all the people she's hurt before

and probably just

[plucky flicker]

my GOAT calamitas

[oblique comet]

wonder what the terrarian would look like at 1 hp

[pliant ruin]

stand there realizing what she has done and be completely distraught

[oblique comet]

would they just be a skeleton with some pieces of meat hanging off

[raven terrace]

I don't blame Calamitas.
She spent her entire life under the evil rule of someone stronger and was forced to do so much genocide on gods, humans, and wildlife alike.
Meeting someone with power that rivaled Yharim's after such a long time probably made her snap out of fear of who you might be. What intentions you'd have.

[vocal snow]

standing here I realize

[raven terrace]

But she could at least try to talk to us first-

[pliant ruin]

It's worth noting she wasn't forced

She was manipulated

[raven terrace]

While not the same thing, it leads to the same outcome. She was manipulated to do it and it all still happened.

So much death and destruction.

The evaporation of the literal ocean.

The destruction of Azafure.

[pliant ruin]

The second part was less because of manipulation and more of just her accidentaly blowing up the city but yeah

Calamitas is a little ball of trauma and i love her and she's my favorite character in the mod

[rose bramble]

Not the sulphurous sea though, that was Dreadon

[pliant ruin]

partially

it already was sulphurous before

he was the one to add the radioactive waste though

[upper umbra]

it was already getting fried by azafure from below

[pliant ruin]

and it seems like it had been sulphuric long enough to the point the creatures were starting to adapt and kind of get ''used'' to it

[raven terrace]

Can you imagine being the player character just coming alive out of nowhere and seeing Guide?

"What...is my purpose?"

"Your gonna grow to be a godly being of immense power. A living weapon of magical energy with powers to rival even the most powerful beings history has ever known. With your power, you will go forth and strike down many evils and these specific people I got written down here. Chop chop!"

"..."

[pliant ruin]

it was the radioactive waste that actually just kind of fucked it over

[upper umbra]

radioactive?

[jaunty wraith]

The fact Draedon literally admits he can just fix it but doesn't feel like it is true gigachad energy

[upper umbra]

isnt it acidic

[jaunty wraith]

It's both

[pliant ruin]

the sulphuric waste is acidic

the radioactive waste draedon dumped is well... radioactive

it's the reason things like the nuclear terror exist

[jaunty wraith]

Tier 3 acid rain is where the acid goes nuclear, that's why it has an entirely different song

[pliant ruin]

there's a pretty big disparity beetween the enemies that don't seem like they've been influenced as much by the radioactivity and the ones that definitely were i feel

[raven terrace]

If you think about it, the world of Terraria is fucked up.
Corruption, Crimson.
Poisoned Sea's.
Astral Infections that have taken over a portion of the universe.
Many powerful monsters as an aftermath of the recent war that destroyed lots of historic landmarks.
And to top it off, an evil tyrant who rules it even now. Not so much evil and more depressed, but they still did it in the first place.

[jaunty wraith]

It's not acid rain... It's a nuclear monsoon

[woeful patio]

Also Silva is the reason there's even life in sulphuric sea

[pliant ruin]

things like the trasher, mauler, gnasher, etc seem to actually be somewhat well adapted to the enviroment

and they don't seem like they're particularly irradiated

then there's things like the nuclear terror which are just abominations beyond words that have no reasonable way to thrive in like, any enviroment

[raven terrace]

Honestly, Draedon and Calamitas are my favorites.

[pliant ruin]

Yharim dosen't actually rule anything (as far as we know)

but regardless

[jaunty wraith]

What about the gamma slimes in tier 3

[pliant ruin]

he's evil as shit and 100% the main reason the world sucks so bad for a long while

[vocal snow]

yharim keeps his ass in dragon aerie

[jaunty wraith]

Would you say their acid or nuclear?

[vocal snow]

or else hes finished

[pliant ruin]

nuclear

gamma

also providence

she exists

she's definitely a factor in the world sucking ass

[raven terrace]

Astral Infection is prolly the ONLY thing he didn't have a hand in some way or form.

Its just there.

[pliant ruin]

providence is

arguably

a bigger threat than yharim at the point the terrarian shows up on the grand scheme of things

[rose bramble]

Isn't the corruption just an infection?

[pliant ruin]

corruption and crimson r both

dead gods

many dead gods

very evil dead gods

[woeful patio]

Corpse of the dead god

[jaunty wraith]

I mean... We the player did kill the wall and plantera which released souls and dead gods essance

[raven terrace]

She's one of the last remaining gods. Evil at that. High tier in strength.

And no one was doing anything about her-

[pliant ruin]

The reason i think Provi is a bigger threat

than Yharim

is because Yharim, at the point the game starts

is one guy

his army is basically gone

and he's gonna die out of old age soon, too

but Providence?

She has massive influence

a whole ass cult under her that seems to be worldwide

[raven terrace]

I mean, remnants still exist. The mechs still wander the night along with failed abominations, but I guess they don't really count at this point.

[pliant ruin]

if she wasn't killed she could legit become ''yharim 2'' in the sense she'd cause worldwide tragedy

[jaunty wraith]

think she's single /j

[woeful patio]

Is Silva consider dead or alive?

[raven terrace]

Providence is smoking hot.

[pliant ruin]

uhhhh

Yes

[raven terrace]

But she'd probably burn you alive if you try to make a move.

[rose bramble]

She would burn you even if you didn't

[raven terrace]

She just burns everything.

[jaunty wraith]

Tell that to every calamitas simp

[pliant ruin]

Providence would only listen to you if your words were ''I WANT TO JOIN YORU CULT PLEASE TURN ME INTO A FUCKED UP PROFANED MONSTER"

otherwise, no matter what, she's killing you

[upper umbra]

also

[raven terrace]

I feel like Calamitas is the type to slap you aside like a cartoon character into a wall if you push the limits. Otherwise, she'd calmly reject you and move on.

[upper umbra]

why does dog and his sentinels hate provi so much

[raven terrace]

DoG wants her power I think.

[jaunty wraith]

The DoG wants to absorb her power

[pliant ruin]

the sentinels don't have anything to do with DoG anymore

[jaunty wraith]

You use the rune of kos to bait the sentinels as their searching for her

[pliant ruin]

they ain't even sentinels

[raven terrace]

She hides from him I think. When you have her artifact, she comes to you and does battle.
When you weaken her, DoG comes in and absorbs her.

At least in how Infernum portrays it.

[pliant ruin]

DoG dosen't even seem to particularly care abt provi anymore

like yeah she's a god and he loves eating those but he dosen't seem specifically out for her

[raven terrace]

He wouldn't reject it if he came across her though.

He's eating up that godly essence.

[pliant ruin]

Signus is... a enigma

storm weaver is just entirely unaffiliated with anyone it seems and just doing its thing

[jaunty wraith]

What we know about him is how little we know about him

[pliant ruin]

Ceaseless Void is not even a living being and just a portal to the distortion much more advanced than anything DoG could ever dream of making, likely related to Noxus

[rose bramble]

DoG wants to kill Providence for the same reason the Terrarian kills PGB

[upper umbra]

isnt he related to dog

[pliant ruin]

nah

[raven terrace]

And of course!
We HAVE to come in and wreck their shit cuz why not.

[pliant ruin]

draedon points out

they're just superficially similar

they're separate species

they're both from the distortion and that's where the connection ends

[jaunty wraith]

Draedon says storm weaver is likely OLDER then the devourer

[pliant ruin]

tbf

later updates will rework the fight

ceaseless void will act as a literal portal to the distortion after you beat it

[raven terrace]

I think now, DoG is stronger cuz he was around at the time when the war was going on. Lots more opportunities for powerful meals.

Storm Weaver probably showed up at a later time and is stuffing himself full of Harpies or Wyverns.

[pliant ruin]

DoG is stronger is just inherently stronger + draedon armor

He dosen't actually get stronger from eating things

The things he eat do seem to get sent to somewhere within the distortion though

Likely to Noxus, since he seems to ''work'' for it in some way

[raven terrace]

So DoG is simply the strongest member of his species that we know.

[upper umbra]

so distortion is like

[pliant ruin]

Well, yes, cuz he's the only one

[upper umbra]

basically dogs stomach

[raven terrace]

That's sad....now there's nothing special about Storm Weaver.

[pliant ruin]

There's alot special abt storm weaver honestly

[rose bramble]

I thought Noxus was just like another Xeroc

[pliant ruin]

-Seems to be entirely independent from Noxus and the Distortion in some way

-Older than DoG

-Also not even from the same species

It seems like Storm Weaver might've ''broken free'' of Noxus in some way

but we don't know for sure, or the specifics of it

[raven terrace]

Yet we kill it before it can do anything super heavily lore related that we know of-

[pliant ruin]

They're the two strongest characters currently alive but other than that they're vastly different

Xeroc is the first god and seems to be at the very least not a bad guy, even if not necessarily a good guy

[upper umbra]

doesnt yharim say all gods are sinners?

[pliant ruin]

Noxus is a entity from the distortion that seems to be pulling the strings over various characters and situations for some goal which is probably Not Good given he commands DoG which is a pretty evil guy

[raven terrace]

Y'know, I don't see why Calamitas wouldn't be more eager to stand up to Yharim now.

You and her together would be able to take down Yharim. Especially since he's depressed and doesn't really feel like doing anything.

[pliant ruin]

Ye

thats cuz yharim is quite literally a bigot that hates gods for no eason other than They're Gods

[cloud ibex]

r/atheism moderator and dragon fanboy Yharim, who got told by Literally The Most Biased Dragon In Existence that all gods are dickheads, says that all gods are sinners

[raven terrace]

Did DoG still serve Yharim and co in the lore?

[upper umbra]

cliche video game finale 😭

[pliant ruin]

ye

[jaunty wraith]

But are all gods really sinners though

[pliant ruin]

he actually

[upper umbra]

wharr

[raven terrace]

Cliche, but logical.

[pliant ruin]

was the last major ally to stick with yharim except for yharon, who currently is the only one still in his side

[cloud ibex]

beyond killing dragons (which isn't even necessarily a bad thing), no

[pliant ruin]

not out of loyalty or anything its just cuz everyone else left him and DoG still saw benefit in working for him

[raven terrace]

I'm guessing DoG eventually went on his way since Yharim didn't really feed him anymore?

[pliant ruin]

DoG seems to have went his way after Yharim went to the Dragon Aerie

so he didn't really have any reason to follow his commands

[jaunty wraith]

DoG was also said to manipulate Yharim to greater decents then he was already falling

[pliant ruin]

That's probbly just Yharim trying to make himself seem better honestly

[upper umbra]

"awww poor yharim :(((("

[pliant ruin]

we know DoG is the worst fucking liar ever he would not be able to manipulate anyone

[raven terrace]

I find it funny really.

I always saw DoG as the weakest endgame boss.

Someone just working under Yharim and leading up the bigger piece of the puzzle. Just like anyone else. Despite his massive strength, he's still a worm through and through.

[pliant ruin]

Honestly that's basically hsi entire character

[scenic olive]

he could convince me that noxus is made out of cheese

[upper umbra]

hes more of a serpent

[pliant ruin]

DoG is incredibly powerful

but

[upper umbra]

pwoerfukl

[pliant ruin]

he's just weak enough where there's a large amount of characters that could wipe the floor with him

and that combined with his

incredibly arrogant snobby attitude that includes bragging about things he didn't actually do and poorly made lies

just makes him seem kind of pathethic some times lol

DoG in old lore was basically a final boss level threat

DoG in new lore is basically world's strongest henchman

[real silo]

Yharim says that but then never actually says what dog made him do

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim: where did this portal older than you come from

DoG: oh I made it

Yharim: you made a portal not just predating your existence, but also far more stable then you can do now even with draedons assistance

DoG: .... Yes

[pliant ruin]

yeah like

[raven terrace]

I think he's as strong as Thanatos.

I firmly believe Draedon's mech's alone cannot stand to gods. Only as a team are they on someone like Calamitas's level.

[pliant ruin]

that's literally canon LMAO

[real silo]

"he drove me to awful acts"
"Like what?"
"Erm uhhh"

[pliant ruin]

he literally

looked at the portal

[cloud ibex]

the scientific community has concluded that DoG's taxonomical classification is a Rat Bastard

[pliant ruin]

literally older than him