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bohldohr entry mentions a lihzahrd dynasty
dont ask why i know this off the top of my head
(although I gotta say, the Terraria devs conflating the modern Jewish myth of the Golem with the sun aesthetics of the Aztecs and the Amazon rainforest which is nowhere near the Aztecs is... certainly a look)
i wonder how long the dynasty spans
prolly more than 3 days
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thank you that's much better
Cheese jumpscare
Aaa what in tarnation
That scared me
Who let cheese in the security office
so who is the archmage
ice wizard who formerly worked for yharim but left because of the whole war crimes thing
huh. never knew
"hey scal i need you to nuke another place again, oh hey permafrost"
"YOURE DOING WHAT WITH HER?!"
I kind of have a headcanon that the Dungeon dates back to before the Deific Era
We know that the Ceaseless Void is fuckin old
And the Dungeon is just too big and well-fortified to have been built by a fringe cult during such chaotic eras as the Deific and the Crusade
Yharim used it as a dungeon, and the Dragon Cult used it as a base/archive, but my headcanon is that it was originally a fortress used by people who served the dragons but weren't high ranked enough to live on the Aerie with them
The Dragon Cult probably had its roots in people who actually served the Dragons, and that's why/how they're the ones keeping the ritual sealing Moon Lord maintained
So I think it just... never changed hands from one group to another, it's just that the people who lived there changed their goals
Their whole hierarchy was built around serving dragons, so when the dragons all died out, their goal became... resurrecting a dragon, to continue serving
Of course, maybe the original denizens were willing & enthusiastic about serving the dragons, but it's equally possible that they were manipulated, or pressed into servitude, or infantilized/condescended to
Well, it might have originally originally been built as a place to keep the Ceaseless Void, since the dragons probably didn't want that shit right in the middle of their home base. So they got some useful humans to keep it locked up instead. But once they realized how useful it was to have humans on the Surface enacting their will, the project kind of expanded. That's my thoughts, anyway
idk how crack of a crackpot theory this is but i think we're gonna fight xeroc before noxus
they're both superbosses, my guess is that once you beat Yharim you unlock both their fights and that it won't be a set order
but that could be wrong 🤷
The FAQ lore document lists Noxus as having more destructive power but Xeroc having more fighting prowess
So it could really go either way
just because xeroc is better in a 1 on 1 doesnt mean they'll go full strength on us
I think that building up to Xeroc being such a massive figure and fearsome boss, only for him to not go full strength on us, would be pretty disappointing
Especially since, even though they're really not the same thing at all, Calamity's implementation of Xeroc will be inevitably compared to Nameless Deity from Wrath of the Gods, even though, as noted, they're not the same thing- but people are going to compare them anyway
goes full strength and immediately kills us
feel like xeroc isnt the type to want to straight up kill us
I can see him holding back for the start of the fight, but if we're going for the kill we may force him to bring his full power to bear
Maybe
also, it's already confirmed that we're not gonna kill xeroc
So it'd be kinda anticlimactic if the final boss just kind... left
maybe if we somehow can use Noxus as a stepping stone
Oh that was confirmed? Mb then
Its not even gonna be enough
Maybe we need an auric soul of our own
It would be cool if we fight Xeroc and then he goes "Okay coolio you win, congratulations, bye bye" and then we use some kind of Distortion trick to force him to stick around and keep fighting
Okay I see
Welp I'm wrong
i imagine it more as "xeroc wants to find the person capable of killing the potential world ender"
Is Yharon the last Auric Dragon
yeah
Kind of a bummer though, Calamity is one non-stop "There's no way you can kill that thing- oh, nope, you just killed it, nevermind" so I don't see why the line should be drawn at Xeroc
Okay, now that makes sense
so primordial light comes from the sun, right?
Because Xeroc is HIM
what if the distortion has no source of primordial light
xeroc would be practically powerless there
I do have the theory that the Primordial Light is what gives the very laws of reality stability
So killing Xeroc would be a bad idea
It would showcase Xeroc's immense power if you WEREN'T able to kill him after steam rolling through literally everything else
And hey, that would also make sense why he wouldn't be able to fight Noxus himself
xeroc would probably also not have the fight come to terraria itself
a fight between the 2 strongest beings would probably be able to end the world by itself
So even until the very end of the game against the optional Superbosses, you're still, inescapably, someone else's errand boy
Actually a pretty fitting conclusion
Ive always thought that the reason Fovos invaded Terra is because of Primordial Light of the Sun, it acts as a beacon of sorts which draws unwanted attention from outer space
Considering how much of the lore is just "this is the consequences of seeking power"
xeroc would also kinda have his own story concluded for the time being, as in some way he was also able to protect the world
The very final boss still being you doing something at someone else's behest would nail in the "if you're seeking power for power's sake, you will inevitably end up being a tool for whoever still manages to be more powerful than you"
him wanting to protect the world would also kinda explain why he seemingly vanished, he had something more important to do than the other gods
But then at that moment the terrarian gets a flashback to all the happy times they had with all of the town npc's and realises that they are now fighting to protect, and with the power of friendship they defeat Xeroc in combat
Peak fiction
i mean killing him wouldnt really destroy the domain
but
that would leave Terraria unprotected from another Fovos invasion
If he were to fight Noxus he might get exhausted after which leave Terraria in dangerous state
also the battle itself would probably also be pretty destructive on its own
yeah
Noxus has the most destructive prowess compared to Xeroc
But in a battle Xeroc would win since hes better at using his powers
cerox ccause why not
i'd also assume theres more power behind his
just not as destructive
brush yo teeth
xeroc is HIM (they), they dont need to brush their teef
honestly i don't really vision xeroc with a mouth
i'd imagine more like
their head is replaced with some floating sigil or shape made out of primordial light
sisyp
slime god is an idiot
there's also this one i made
hey dont call them that
they couldve made a human like body for themself
the flesh is weak
the other one is also cool but it dosen't fit the idea of God of Light as well i feel
probably the only thing i'd need to change is the face probably
kinda
but sisyphus still has the outline of a face
i was thinking more like a 2d shape
what the fuck is a sisyphus
yeah but what if they just wanted to be a ball
leave them alone
ball > human
ball is stupid because who wanna worship a ball
ud get more people on ur side if u were more human like
idk about you but i'd be down to worship a large, featureless metallic sphere
yeah but whta if being a human gave them body dysmorphia
what if they wanted to be a ball
leave them ALONE
say it then
what If we try to guess how god xeroc looks by saying random things
fish was the first thought that came to my head
the cheese brainrot is taking over
gonna make an alt version with the sigil eye face
cooking
and then will ask how you know how god xeroc looks
and BAM
you know How god xeroc looks like
DAMN
fis
i dont think Its too hard to describe how her could look
alt
the ultimate evil plan....
thats actually so good
is sigil face or teeth face preferred
i personally prefer the sigil but i dont mind the teeth face
for me the sigil makes more sense tho
sounds like my xeroc except a new sigil and not bald
um ackhsully
also he somewhat resemble his pre ascension form
urs dont have arms
yes they do, they're hoving right besides them
also he still has the lance but now upgraded
and also a lantern
he still has a mask but It also changed
he wears auric(yes i believe gods who share the same domain of the dragon can use auric)
actually romove the part where i say he has four arms
he has some dragon language word things floating around him
or just written in his clothes
gonna have to continue tomorrow but progress on the xeroc so far
the xooc
what would xeroc's theme even be like
probably smthn like br
I like twisted garden’s take
But i think it’d be less noisy and amen breaky and more atmospheric
What’s br
boss rush
bit of a touch up on wings
i feel like it 100% fits the increasing amount of adrenaline in your system
fyr
if xeroc is added, i hope they make the entire boss rush look like a joke
that is not very hard to do
i want xeroc to beat my brain into puty and liquify my bone marrow
Hit cap
Idk imo it feels a bit messy, like i like the use of the drums but yet the overall mood of the song fits less a boss rush and more a boss
the first 3 fit better
Reduce flight for xeroc no rod or roh hit cap
If it’s any similar to nameless i’m already satisfied
imagine if xeroc could make PL replicas of themselves for certain attacks
you have alerted the xeroc horde

they prob can
What’s PL
true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HsjDfORCQ4
personally i like this take on a xeroc theme
early 1k sub special i suppose. you requested, i delivered (somewhat)
mixing is.. something. this didnt really turn out the way i wanted
lack of intensity is done on purpose - i'd imagine the xeroc fight as a slower paced one
https://psykomatic.bandcamp.com/
#terraria #calamity
Does it have the bells
of course it got da bells
is that the total calamity xeroc
No bells = no calamity
False
Nuh uh
Oh i like this i remember listening to it
it would be cool for a desperation phase or something
post-ascension xeroc concept art of course does exist but it's not like we're gonna see it any time soon, so might as well have some fun in the mean time
bro looked like he would be ascending any time soon anyway
Incense blade
he can hit you really really hard with that incense burner by swinging it like a madman
That guitar part at the end was truly xerocious
he's attuned to the king of the dragons, he can do what he wants and his blade can excrete whatever
Attune deez
🤯
I’m talking about it BEFORE it gets burnt
Wait like he ascends to a level higher than a kite or he ascends while on enough drugs to be considered higher than a kite
yes
Oh oki
High on Auric Souls
Xeroc could drink enough alcohol to kill 5 horses

what about zeratros?
we’ve gotten concept art for other dead characters
it’d be fitting to have official artwork of him :P
Placidusax from elden ring
ill be honest placidusax is not that crazy of a design
elden ring is cool and all but hes just a standard western dragon with two heads
if zeratros looked like him it would be really lame i think
They're dragons it's either over the top, not a dragon, or basic dragon design
yharon is right there
(Basically) Not a dragon
Cuh hea literally a phoenix
If I showed anyone who don't play calamity
having feathers dosent make it a phoenix
They would say he a phoenix
ig some people would??? but in general i doubt it
cuz a phoenix is a bird.
yharon is. not a bird.
he has feathers
thats kind of it
anyways dragonslayer codex has the best dragon designs thanks for coming to my TED talk
Imma test my theory on a private server rq
I'm cooking
My friends dumbasses
Nvm
No
My bf said red macaw and dragon (so exactly what he is)
Bewildered by this shit tho
Crazy
Explaining how yharon is a dragon with the title of phoenix to my friends
"Definetly a beybeast"
Is the Sunken Sea/The Ilmeran Sea a freshwater sea or a saltwater sea?
Need to know this for important reasons
Prob saltwater
Okay Amidias sells an Urchin Flail and apparently urchins only live in saltwater
So I'm running with saltwater
brackish inland seas exist
it's probably brackish if i had to guess
unless it was completely isolated from any other inland sources of water there's no way some freshwater didn't get in, but i'd imagine to to be primarily saltwater
what do you think the shimmer lore is
Maybe the dreams of fallen gods
but why
Shiny, kinda reminds me of ichor but more dreamy, it turns shit all spacy in the Aether biome
But still
Aureus leg how many?
Miracle Mucus
blood of the world-soul
or maybe it's the more pleasant 'shadow' of the distortion
Magic liquid
we need a shimmer boss that gives us the lore
also i always imagined it had 8
like what we see is the front half of it
and the back has another 4 legs
Okay so I'm gonna go with this and hope that nothing happens in the future
Thank fuck, I really want it to be anything but 4
that would be very weird with the angle we have of it rn
I like to believe that shimmer is mana juice that got leaked into a convenient lake-shaped cave
Would be funny if the shimmers lore was just "its a mysterious liquid that no one knows the origins of" and thats just it
blood of moon lord
cosmic and all that
Maybe it could be distiortion related
the more you use the shimmer, the more powerful you make noxus
shimmer is actually uhhhhh
take your time 🧀
not me! im actually KILLING THE PRESIDENT
👍
that gif reminds me
i have yet to play literally any metal gear game
i want to, but i'm broke
this is o sad
emulator
I played mgs1 on an emulator and mgs2 on a hacked ps vita
very easy to accomplish
Calamitas is so cool I wish women were real ☹️
if your pc cant run a playstation 1 emulator thats not a pc thats a toaster
I really have to emphatize that my pc is absolute shit it can run like 3 games
honestly it's not even
that it can't run it
it probably acn
it'll just be incredibly incovenient
cuz
Play the original MGS1, not the Twin Snakes remake, the remake is almost strictly worse
- my pc has as much memory as a goldfish
if i had to install like, anything, i'd have to get rid of atleast most of my installed games
it'd most definitely not perform well
and tbh I hate playing old clunky games but MGS1 aged beautifully
ok well now you know for when you get a better computer
i plan on getting one uh. eventually
hoipefully this year but i might not be able to
.
damn
praying for your uprise
I'm extra evil praying for your extradownrise
I’m purple
Parried for your colorrise
my guy "uprise" was a flip of "downfall"
thats the joke
ah
i’m ??? praying for your upfall
praying for your uprise
not sure if this typo in the lore document is a purposeful pun or not
Maybe the writer is just stupid
that's so rude to octo
man im feeling pacific today
(full of trash)
Hey y'all, I actually finally wrote a Calamity fic. It's about 5.7k words and I'd like to run it past a beta reader(s) before posting it publicly. I'm looking for basic stuff like catching typos and feedback on tone, dialogue, comprehensibility, that kind of things, with a couple scenes in particular I'm shaky on. If you'd be down to beta read, lmk and I'll send you the doc link through DMs; if you want to read it but don't feel like being a beta reader, hang tight, I expect to post it in a couple days even if no one betas- I just figured, hey, lore channel, might as well ask to run it past somebody.
guys question , if i get the new draedon lore right
1-. He hates our naming skills
2-. The distortion and it's inhabitants are just part of noxus itself, and dog has been feeding him dead gods for god knows how long
If i get ir right, could it be the "post game" and xeroc's proposal is about dealing with noxus before he gets enough power and attacks terraria?
While most of that is true, I don’t think we can quite say the distortion itself is an extension of Noxus
But if you meant that as shorthand for “everything living in the distortion is under Noxus’ control”, then all of that seems right
(With the exception of Stormweaver, but I figure you know about that)
For that last part, that would make quite a bit of sense
It could also have something to do with fighting Xeroc himself, as he seems to imply we reach levels above Yharim, a mortal Xeroc was a bit wary of
It might be as simple as “you’re quite strong, I want to make sure I’m still stronger before moving to the next subject” or something or other
the storm weaver?
Stormweaver is (so far) the only known member of the Distortion not under Noxus’ control
I’ll try to find the thing on that
We don't know if dog and signuts is controlled by noxus or not
did you misspell signus
in my heart of hearts signuts is the correct spelling
We don’t know if they’re controlled per se, but we do know at least that DoG is working for Noxus
And is pretty determined to hide Noxus’ existence from others
can I spray noxus
also the fact that infernum ares was probably one of the planned versions of ares:
(phaseslayer moment)
They don’t need to imply you reach levels above Yharim
That much should be clear from the fact that you kill him
My understanding is that the player becomes slightly stronger than Yharim, but nowhere near noxus. I think that the proposal will be something like:
"I can't go into the distortion to kill Noxus alone because there's no primordial light in there, I have to stay here to prevent it from attacking. Instead, I'll send you in there and power you up so that you can defeat Noxus."
pacific is another word for peacefulness, pretty sure it's intended but it's a cool pun nonetheless
pretty sure whoever named the pacific ocean named it for its supposed peacefulness
stormweaver but he weaves oil instead of storms
Freedom Weaver
God I’m so happy to see Enby rep in calamity, Bandit my beloved :)
(I had no clue the Bandit was non binary until today)


Oh damn I didn't know, that's poggers
Mfer stole my pronouns, can't have shit in a Cruel World
This is truly the tale of a cruel world
yes
Xeroc too
canonically he/they
still no lesbian rep, tragic 😔
Soon perchance
Lore devs will soon canonize (read notes to search for any relevant female calamity characters who aren't calamitas)
uhhhh
ANAHITA as a lesbian
THERE WE GO
wait but we fucking kill her shit thats not good
(reads notes again)
(its only silva and calamitas)
(fuck)
i guess silva is still a Possibility ™️ given the pansexual thing was only a dev's headcanon but ehhh
no lesbian rep on calamity tonight 😔
none allowed…
braelor and statis 💪
ikr
ok but they’re not lesbian…
(unless u believe hard enough)
if u hit them both with the girlifying beam then they'd be lesbians
YRUE
braelor is such a chad tho holy moly
fr
slso agreed
ya
yess
i love characters that are like really athletic/buff but they just have pretty little baby faces
laios dungeon meshi
then statis is a little dude
he's not that buff tbf but he is really athletic and literally the knight of the party so
statis gives off gremlin energy honestly
TRUE
fr
HE DOES
Written like a true gremlin
u guys reckon yharim would sign everything with a huge Y followed by the rest of his name
His sign would just be a Y and a dragon paw
huge Y ✅
rest of his name ❌
Maybe yharon sign stuff for him
i feel like yharon would be too big to properly sign anything
he could burn his signature into an object with well-controlled dragonfire
so long as said object is not immediately incinerated
"Yharon help me sign this proposal i am busy"
"Ok"
incinderates the paper
no
They should not be counted at all.
Althrough noxus might be cannon. But the one in that unoffical not-made-by-real-calamity-devolpers addon does not count at all.
Not to mention the black square thinamingy deity and Xeroc are not the same thing.
Neither is infernum
noxus is canon, WotG noxus that i believe is not going to be named noxus anymore next update is not
Therefore only something made by original calamity devolper team counts as real and offical.
Yharim definitely had a booger wall when he was a little kid
auric photochromic glasses
what if thats not armor and yharim just has jaundice
and moisturises well so it's shiny
and he has scales
Auric fredbear
Do lab cores actually have a deeper meaning to them that idk about?
Like the onyx, elum, havoc, cinder
I believe they are the source of energy that used to power the labs
so they are as special as they get to be
But do they matter to the type of labs or smth?
Some of them craft different accessories and weapons even tho some kinda don't make much sense
Like navy plates for the eldrich skull thing
gameplay
i always imagine the lava core is the energy source and the plating is a special material designed to protect the core from the specific threats in that environment
hence the different appearance of each type of plating, as it is designed for different things
makes sense
also the plating looks pretty in builds so i think it should stay regardless of any potential revisions to the lab design
I'd use exo prisms
as in, in your builds or in the labs?
because the latter would make zero sense at all i feel
A build I made
It originally used I think Onyx plating but I switched for exo prisms cuz they look cooler
they look cool but i would have little clue as to how to use exo blocks in most builds
Yeah
aside from those specifically themed around exo stuff
This feels so off
I really just like how the exo stuff look like
Just a smidge
how many turrets do you need
Every
I just hated enemies that go through walls getting into my base
And it was already lab themed so

How did Deus get infected? Did he just munch on a star with the Astral Infection? Then did he just smack an astral meteor or threw up an astral meteor to infect the world?
Why did my poor lil man get sick??
Game theory: Daedalus had all knowledge of his existence wiped from history by Draedon
Basically he got really sick but medicine back then wasn’t as advanced as it is now so he couldn’t recover
And now the illness has become part of him and he spreads it like a plague
astrum deus was probably a new one to the universe
or a child
as draedon suggest
this is a theory btw
so he just without realizing
ate an infected star
which infected him and controlled him
to throw the infection at the planet
so it can spread
Daedalus was a program created by draedon

He sure does have a thing for greek mythology
kek
I've had a few ideas for Calamity lore on Thorium and Mech bosses Rework bosses
May I share them?
sure
Discord, stop crashing please

The Great Thunder Bird lore in Calamity would be that it's actually the Thunder (or was it lightning) god of the Sunken Sea that Yharim thought died to Calamitas.
Transferring it's essence onto a creature (vulture), causing it to morph and be reborn as the Great Thunder Bird.
Keeping a low profile so not to attract attention and get absolutely obliterated again.
Does that fit?
Fits decently well enough
A plausible 6.5/10
How do I improve it? Because 6.5 is not a great start
grand thunder bird doesnt even die when you defeat it too
It fits very well
It doesn't actually, it flees
you dont have to make everything important btw, especially if its something early game
thats all i have to say about it
Yeah I know
It still fits pretty well
What about other bosses like Buried Champion/Granite Energy Storm
Buried Champion is a bit outlandish, and I don't have anything on Energy Storm yet
Fallen Beholder?
ive written cal lore on thorium bosses tho
Borean Strider?
im unsure if i can share it
I have only made things for Buried Champ and Thunder Bird
Because I am not sure the Champion one fits
Like, at all
Let me go get it
The idea for Buried Champion is that he actually was someone Yharim was colleagues in his youth before the auric soul absorption party.
The Buried Champion siding against Yharim due to his extreme actions, attacking even Benevolent gods.
Yharim ended up personally fighting and defeating him, laying him to rest at the biome of Marble.
Although he would've never expected him to still cling on to life despite his body becoming nothing more then a living armor and decaying bones.
Not bad
The Drunk Princess in question
You sure?
Also I know the lyrics in stained brutal calamity aren’t canon, but the second verse definitely describes Yharim more than the player
Like, is this not a bit complicated for a pre hard mode boss?
doesnt making him a colleague make things way more complicated than it has to be
Yeah that's what I was worried about
why wouldnt the champion be a rebel pre-statis and braelor (given that we now know they are recent)
i dont think yharim would bury someone he fought, even if he respected them at some point
Hm..
this is the same man who threw corpses into the dungeon or whatever
which i believe was pre-auric?
I thought that happened post-auric mess
wdym by pre auric
I think they mean pre-auric soul absorption
I can always rewrite it if it's not fitting enough
lil sketch of da yoat
This goes yhard
does anyone have a rough mockup of what a timeline of Calamity would look like
Bomb him
Rewriting this.
The Buried Champion.
A warrior from an underground Marble society (based on Remnants world gen).
After witnessing the sea turn into a desolate desert, the Champion personally challenged Yharim to a 1 on 1, wishing to end the extreme crusade that clawed at the souls of all gods, even if they were benevolent.
The battle was completely one sided, the champion of marble had no chance at victory, yet they fought valiantly, enough to earn Yharim's respect.
At the battle's end, Yharim allowed the citizens of marble to bury their Champion back in their city, not expecting that years later, he would still cling to life despite being nothing more then decaying bones and a suit of armor.
okay I made a cute lil timeline but we don't have enough exact dates on things, except from Draetalk, to really make it work, and this application only lets me add so many events before I have to pay
Final Dawn dash attack is literally riptide trident from minecraft
Is this better?
who is making these?
I feel like it is
yharim
the divine light themselves
That's a sick design but I can't help but read the two little black spikes to their right as looking like the 'cute excited' lines from a manga
Why is Polerghast blue, but the weapons he drops are pink
I imagine at some point there was a planned redesign
But also the spirits in the dungeon
The uuuh
Buffed ones
They're pink
phantoplasm
Polterghast needs to become pink too
nah
how strong do you think if Polterghast was entirely made out of all Auric Souls
the explanation i've heard before is that a majority of the dungeon souls are blue, and only the stronger ones are pink
polter's drops are made of the refined pink souls, not the weaker blue souls
and polter is blue because most of the souls it is made up of are blue?
yes
Polterghast is made of of mostly blue souls, but also some pink souls, since he has a bit of pink inside of him
and his weapons are purely pink because they're strong got it
me when ectoplasm are blue
thats what theyre made of..
you can compare the blue ghost things to the pink ones
ghosts/ectoplasm are naturally light blue
polter-ghosts are very angry
angry is red
red + light blue = pink
weapons are mad that they are weapons
pink
polterghast has some angry ghosts and a lot of ghosts that are just confused
pink and light blue
sees the lack of legs
Terrarian : heh, i bet i can beat him
the dragons didn’t even weaken fovos with any kind of magic, they literally just took away his legs and he lost 99% of his power
They chomped him
Like being eaten alive by bats
my favorite
Maybe this is a hot take, it's definitely a literally hot take, but Yharon doesn't catch enough flak for being the one to spur Yharim on to the Crusade in the first place. Yeah Roar of the Jungle Dragon is a banger that makes him very sympathetic but depending on how much he remembered from his past lives and how big a role he played in spurring on Yharim, he could more or less be the real driving force behind the Crusade
yharon's sorta justifiably angry but yharim is just a complete nutccase
yharim started spiraling and yharon went along with it
Yharon is The Most Biased Person In Existence when it comes to gods but Yharim did just… listen to him basically immediately
this fits in with yharim just being a dragon fanboy, he wanted to gain yharon's favor and simp for him by doing whatever he says
either yharim was already on the fast track becoming who he became as soon as he was thrown off.
or he was always just kinda like that
i mean
i went on a rant with a couple others explaining why yharon is an asshole
so i agree
yharon isnt as worse as yharim but hes up there
yharon atleast has a valid reason, his species got wiped, yharim however, he only got executed by a bunch of gods, not even 50% of them
and that for him was enough to decide a genocide was needed
well, i say valid reason, theres little to validate a genocide but you get what i mean
yharons reason is nowhere near as fucked as yharims
yharon n yharim both suck but atleast yharon has a more understandable reasoning - It's not valid, nothing validates what they did, but it's a motive you can ultimately atleast empathize with more than yharim's
maybe yharim was never that good of a person in the first place
well they're both attuned, so their personalities are likely similar
if yharon sucks then yharim sucks too
the gods rolled really fucking unlucky by giving yharim both a reason to dislike gods and another being with a similar personality who also dislikes gods
if only those gods that wanted yharim to be a god king weren't stinky
Tbf you can have anyone hate a god if the only gods they know are just tyrants with power
Even if yharim becomes the same
Yharon definitely sucks
would u guys have accepted the god-king
no
or would u have questioned the morality behind absorbing an auric soul
i am a bit like yharim where i hate forcing actions on others and actions being forced on me
if i knew i could get out, i would
wow noob just admitted to wanting to commit genocide
cant believe her
in a more serious note
thats fair
i would probably accept it assuming i was trained for it
Noob is actually Yharim
Nah Jkjk
Would we hate Yharim if he didn’t commit genocide?
it's a very good reason
well if you never knew the dragons (which would be likely since all but one died a few hundred years ago) you'd be pretty neutral to them
i think aido means
only KILLING the gods
not the worshippers
so its more akinned to mass slaugther than literal genocide
i dont think there was more than 100 gods
he would be less hatable, that's for sure
in a continent i mean
The question I wanna know is
Would he still have tried to recruit Calamitas?
For god killing purposes?
Cuz child soldier stuff is fucked up
now that i think about it, a genocide on only the gods due to their sin of killing the dragons kinda gives me a "Adam and Eve's original sin" vibes
might just be because i'm christian
Actually I kinda feel that too
i think he would
I still wouldn’t like Yharim I don’t think
Bro is still going after gods just minding their business
If he went after someone like Providence
It’s like okay
But I highly doubt that most of the gods were like her
i took another look at what yharim said, and it seems that they became attuned after the lava incident
Bro snuggled with Yharon for too long
there's the crux of the matter, right?
Is killing for power forgivable if that power is used for good
like, if a god made my civilization a better place to live in, got us out of the underworld, then i really dont give a fuck that a dragon died for it
for me yes
I wanna know what the dragons were like
actually it kinda depends
Cuz if someone killed an asshole and took their power to do some good
Then I don’t care about the asshole dying
going by the themes of Calamity, they're probably just like humans, some good and some bad
providence did have righteous anger toward the flame dragon
Lolll
that's a fair stance, but one that's not so easy to take when you personally know the one who was killed
obviously but yharim didnt
so even if he ONLY killed the gods
to me hes still fucked up
Yharim is only going off of what Yharon says
he has no justifaction whatsoever
What if Yharon is a biased asshole
he didnt lose a loved one, or even one he said hi too, hes trying to avenge creatures that dominanted his own species
thats fucked imo
to me, the dragon genocide is just justification for his own anger towards the gods
obviously i also dont think killing benlovent dragons is good, i still think thats also fucked, but if the god that did it
saved an entire civilization
then i kinda dont see the issue
like a noble mask over his true reason
true
obviously my stance would change if that dragon was let say, my father
but thats normal
i would always be mad at something if it hurts me, alive beings are just selfish by nature
in that case i feel like it could actually be debated but you can't really say anyone involved was truly evil
in other words it's an actual case of gray morality unlike what ppl who say yharim is morally grey think
ye
i agree
its literally just about perspective
to us, the god saved us
to the dragons, the god ruined them
morality is subjective when it comes to these aspects
the question reaches, do you think that was worth it?
there is little to no objectively in that thought process
ya
ppl who say morality is subjective r not wrong but alot of them forget that it's subjective until a certain point
like yeah, in this case, its subjective
i agree with that
but like
if
if some random guy starts tossing babies on a volcano for no eason like
yeah uh
thats
thats not really
yknow
thats objectively bad yea
you really cannot argue against that
like how can you even defend that without saying
"no"
you dont understand the babies were evil trust me
they uhhh
they blew up people!
yeah!
with their bombs
THEY COULDV GREW INTO TERROISTS
YOU NEVER KNOW
but yeah, if i was told that i could slay this dragon to guarntee my familys life and peace for the next 30 years
i would consider it
if not actually do it depending on the situations i am in
thats fair honestly
so Drunk Princess is just what Fabsol looks like irl right
Lets just say so
Fabsol actually looks like the alicorn mount irl
how hungry
from now on, this is how i would imagine cheese
DAMN
In fact, if you use the alicorn mount in-game, the Cirrus npc disappears, since she actually turns in to the alicorn you are riding
you get to ride fabsol😳 ?
alright lorers, I need a name for the kingdom the princess npc comes from
Equestria
so you're telling me
that the princess npc
was a girl in a village doing alright?
and then she became a princess overnight?
Yup, and now shes gotta figure out how to do it right
actually now that i think about it, that could be workable
the kingdom got devasted during Yharim's Crusade and the main royal family got killed
so the kingdom had to go back up the family tree and track down any living descendants of the original king
and they were the Princess' family
so now she's a princess
i am writing fanfic, yes
that's why i asked in the first place
i'm terrible at coming up with names
Did the kingdom get Calamity'd because they worshipped a god, or did they side with Yharim and get destroyed by the resistance, or did they just get caught in the crossfire?
i dont think the kingdom would be there anymore if they worshipped a god
i would say they got caught in the crossfire because they controlled some valuable resource
yharim would 100% involve innocents if it would benefit him
disagree
yharim was very principled and if those people hadnt dont anything wrong in his eyes (supporting gods/assisting in the dragon genocide) then there would no reason to get them involved
lo

perhaps early on in the Crusade, but as Yharim would later admit himself, he would grow apathetic to anything that was not directly invovled with his god slaying
i feel that he would have tried to keep innocents out of his crusade in the beginning, but would care less and less about collatoral damage over time
I personally do not wish to make the Princess related to any tragedy, even if indirectly
While that does sound nice Rebecca, the entire planet she lives on is a continuous tragedy
It's been quite for an awfully long time, and she's just a child
what if her kingdom did not need a god, and therefore did not get affected by yharim
You trying to make her a spoiled princess or something
like shes quite the adept magician at such a young age
Lets give yharon auric soul to her
so maybe her royal family were great mages
thats how you interpreted that? 
It's completely believable that she was born in a kingdom that didn't suffer from Yharim's Crusade and she was simply never really told about what exactly happened with the world
Well she could be born after the Cursade I suppose
Nah then she'd be a baby 
I’m not really sure how long after the crusade ended the game starts
I'd say the Crusade ended after Yharim's fight with Braelor and Statis
Wait no
There really wasn't anything else after that
But that happened like, less than a decade ago
I think not even 5 years passed
she’s 10 and has “large assets”????
how about this then
The kingdom Princess came from did not house any gods, nor did its people worship. As a result, though it was involved in the Crusade, it was spared most of the destruction that other kingdoms such as Ilmeris experienced.
she doesn't?????
Well I was mostly trying to come up with lore for @fierce pagoda's "Sofia the First" idea, where she was a normal village girl who got adopted into the royal family.
It's a silly idea, but I thought it would be fun to elaborate more on and see where it goes.
that's what we're here for
i can’t believe i read the entire convo thinking it was drunk princess
this makes much more sense now
she could absolutely be sofia the first
doesnt the npcs tell lore
Only some
Do we know the Incineration was <10 years ago?
Calamitas did it when she was a child
My estimate is like, 12 or 13
She is in her late 20's now
So the Incineration happened around 15 years ago
Okay, gotcha
Gang calamities
"I aim to freeze." -John Permafrost
"But I aim to burn." -Jane Calamity
year without santa claus...
The bestiary says that she inherited her power as a teenager, so I’d put her at 12 or 13 too, since Yharim refers to her as a child when they first found her
puberty hit her hard
She warcrimemaxxed
yharim (grown old ass man who commited genocide) is clearly a good guy, calamitas is clearly evil
(she is a 13 year old dumb child who dosen't even know what a airfryer is)
Haha
You don't know what an airfryer is!!!
going to the calamity universe just to make fun of her for that
like imagine not knowing what an airfryer is
calamitas, making breakfast
suddenly, a person she's never seen before manifests in her ... cave
points at her
"you dont even know what a airfryer is" (very indifferent, almost robotic sounding laugh)
the person then disappears
LMAO
That sounds wrong
DAMN!
Fr
Calamitas wasn't an infant when Azafure's Incineration happened
And that surely wasn't back-to-back with Ilmeris' Incineration
lore dev deathmatch go
I assumed Calamitas was around 13 during Azafure's Incineration, as 17-18 during Ilmeris' Incineration
Have I ever talked to you guys about our lord and savior airless fryer
i'll choose to believe the 13 year old illmeris incineration cuz it makes calamitas more sad and miserable
Which would put Ilmeris around 10 years ago, and Azafure ~15
How would an infant duel with Brimstone Elemental?
Very shrimply
I mean she did in fact not have very good control of her powers so i assume she just had like
a sudden burst of power that she didn't have much agency over, which would fit with them
you know
destroying azafure
kind of like that one episode of avatar
i forgot which
where aang controls a big water elemental thingy and starts destroying everything
i dont think a 13 year old is any better
She wouldn't be able to destroy a city with just one attack
A 13 year-old at least could have some conscience of what she's doing
At least a 13 year old has an idea of fighting
Throw the infant at speeds exceeding that of sound, with a sonic boom, the brimstone elemental would be greatly damaged from the impact, additionally infants like to eat things they don't know of, so the infant will eat brimstone elemental and become powerful (proper explanation for how traces of Brimmy's power were found in scal or whayever)
How would an infant coordinate an attack, having never even displayed such power before?
im pretty sure a 6 year old also has an idea of what a fight is
There you go you get a powerful baby
I'm not a lore dev but i always just assumed she was barely in control during azafure given she seemingly had never used this magic before and it just kind of came out of nowhere + was overwhelmingly powerful
Again
Who can destroy cities
My point is exactly that she didn't coordinate it, or atleast that's how i see it
children can be evil
my sister stole my sword for example
She tries using magic to defend her family, uh oh! magic too strong! goes crazy
thats so evil...
isn't that baiscally what happened
so she destroys a city on accident, then another city while being manipulated
It also depends on what age span the infant we're talking about is in cause for all I'm seeing people have slightly changed definitions of infant
hooray!
perhaps more that we don't know of
im more surprised on how the terrarain didnt find calamitas hanging from the roof honestly
My mental image definition for the word is some google png stock image of a baby in diaper but I could be wrong
clearly it was the cyborg
if we go off of what vetrasyl believe, 13 - 5, thats 8, an 8 year old isnt an infant
Citious
she knows what a fight is at that age
Yeah
Calamitas didn't hunt the Terrarian down, we just passed by her cave wearing auric armour and she freaked
LMAO
"YHARIM!?!?"
Huh
Hunt?

Terrarian is a monster for killing aquatic scourge
also if she was in control of her magic and coordinatign attacks then it'd be a little odd cuz that'd mean she was actually actively responsible for destroying azafure and killing her own siblings
which like ofc calamitas did some bad shit but the bad things she does are usually a result of external influences, manipulation, and things she can't control
if she was just, coordinating the attacks n everything, that'd just be entirely her fault for destroying azafure and killing her brothers which. is rather unfitting for her character imo
hunt of the old god
M O N S T E R ?
A monster... hunter?
STOP
NO
NO. STOP
WHAT DID YOU DO
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wait, her family was there too?
she killed her own family?
yeah
catastrophe and cataclysm
she killed them
and then she revived them?



