lore-discussion

[cosmic zenith]

Thanks!

[pliant ruin]

Don't be weird

I just think she's cool

[cosmic zenith]

And yeah, we know there's much to be improved in the presentation of the lore
We're trying to improve things bit by bit, making the world better reflect the lore and making everything seem more alive, dynamic, natural

[civic salmon]

Draetalk was really promising to me in this regard, keep it up and don't take unfair criticisms too seriously.

[spring helm]

are we going to be able to talk to yharim before we fight him

[pliant ruin]

You guys are doing a wonderful job. I'm kind of in a nice mood today and i can't really tell why but i really appreciate all the changes you all have made, i've stated this before but i really do love the mod's narrative, even if it's still not in it's finished state

[cosmic zenith]

Thank you

Draetalk was a step in the right direction, but it is still a text wall
Personally, I wanna improve mostly interactions with characters, the Yharim lore items (of course), and environmental storytelling

It helps that I'm a builder and a lorewriter for the team

[frigid ibex]

More specifically, I love the depth. It provides a clean, engaging, and natural way to present the lore that is enhanced by filtering it through the unique perspective of Draedon himself. I hope we get some similar talks or lore expansions throughout the rest of the game though, so that lore is evenly spread out throughout a playthrough and not relegated to the endgame--the Draedon logs you find throughout the world are a good example of early presentation.

[frigid ibex]

The lore items will be reworked, correct? If so, I would like to comment that I really like how they are Yharim speaking to the player directly, which not only gives us his perspective but also reinforces the dynamic between him and the player where he is essentially attempting to groom you to be his replacement.

[pliant ruin]

I like the content of the lore items themselves, to be honest

I think they're a great insight into Yharim's mind, and they have alot of interesting implications to dissect

[frigid ibex]

Same

[pliant ruin]

It's more so the items themselves that i dislike, but what's written in them is actually very nice

I think the fact they're currently only one of the 3ish dedicated ways of obtaining lore makes them stick out more, too

[cosmic zenith]

Ideally, yes
I've already pitched an idea to the team that seems to be generally approved
Though we'll get to it later, possibly around Crags Overhaul

[pliant ruin]

I think the idea of yharim whispering to you after you defeat a boss actually would be nice if it just was polished a little and if it wasn't basically one of the only lore avenues the mod has currently

I guess that's kind of just the big reason they stick out so much. With more lore implementation in the future they'd probably not seem as bad in hindsight, even if still not really ''good"

[real silo]

Can't wait for the yharim dating sim

[spring helm]

the good ending: yharim becomes our boyfriend (for like 10 years and then he dies)
the bad ending: yharim grooms us into the second godseeker
the neutral ending: we kill yharim

[pliant ruin]

the good ending: it was never real

it was all a dream

wake up steve

it's your wife, amanda

we miss you

[untold forge]

you have to get back to mining and crafting steve

[warped bloom]

Based good ending

[pliant ruin]

FRIDAY NIGHT FUCKSHIT

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????

[untold forge]

gasp

[pliant ruin]

...force of habit

[real silo]

force of rabit

[earnest flare]

erm actually you're supposed to fight god-king yharim real

[real silo]

Calamity AU where god king not-yharim is real

[spring helm]

we become the godseeker, 100 years later

this is the beginning of the god's Calamity

[civic salmon]

Actually would be pretty interesting

[real silo]

The first change is he won't be named yharim

Crimson, corruption and hallow won't exist

Well it might exist if someone decides to kill those gods anyways

[spring helm]

Draedon might not be as technologically advanced since he wouldn’t have Yharim as an employer

[frigid ibex]

Why do we assume he wouldn't still be hired? Draedon's only goal is knowledge and innovation, and if he still gains access to greater resources and protection, would he not still join Yharim?

The aspirational Yharim would likely still want to achieve something with his reign, and there are some things that technology can do or help with that his godly powers cannot.

Therefore, though the timeline may be a bit different, I assume Draedon would likely still join Yharim, though his machines may be a little less focused on war.

[spring helm]

well according to draetalk he only approached yharim because he heard rumours that an auric dragon was accompanying the crusade

without that, draedon might be interested but ultimately refuse to make contact

[frigid ibex]

But then he found Yharim's power interesting as well.

"God Yharim" would also have Yharon's extremely unique revival power--that might intrigue Draedon as well.

[scenic olive]

nah id win

[frigid ibex]

Either way, Yharim would still shake up the world entirely, thus attracting the attention of Draedon.

[latent bolt]

Real?!?!

[real silo]

If draedon joined god yharim's side that means draedon becomes an ally of at least a few more gods

A god-king will have his god-subjects

Maybe he gets to study them

[earnest flare]

alternate timeline where god-king yharim was actually added to con/cas

[tropic oak]

lets go....

[plucky flicker]

my goat calamitas

[daring crater]

i don't even feel like yharim is a bad person. he clearly recognizes where he went wrong, has a lot of regrets, and urges you to do better and treat his old colleagues right. he's just got the issue of moping rather than resolving to fix what mistakes he can

[cloud ibex]

I mean

[sinful adder]

He's lying

[real silo]

He never acknowledged that genocide was wrong

[cloud ibex]

He did also commit genocide because literally the most biased person in the world told him all gods suck ass and are dickheads

[sinful adder]

He's really good at being manipulative

[cloud ibex]

He never recognizes that that was wrong

[sinful adder]

He killed like 2/3rds of the world

[real silo]

Turly the geto suguru of calamity

[daring crater]

genociding the world's protectors after they had just gotten done breaking their fists punching out cthulhu was pretty fucked up too. also the whole "got hucked into lava by followers of the gods for not making the dragons extinct" is gonna fuck a dude up

[sinful adder]

Oh absolutely

[real silo]

The gods are fucked up yes

But their followers did NOT need to die

And yharim did indeed kill their followers

[sinful adder]

But he's leaving out the parts where some of the gods were actually good and a lot of the dragons were actually also evil

[mighty zenith]

genocide isnt a good solution to genocide though

[real silo]

He sends out his troops to blow up and burn places of worship full of innocent normal people who never killed any dragons

Straight up nazi germany shit

[mighty zenith]

imagine if you wanted to kill a dictator for doing horrible shit so you decide to slaughter every citizen in the country he rules over

[daring crater]

yeah that is in fact fucked

[mighty zenith]

thats basically what yharim did

[real silo]

And he doesn't see it as being wrong either

He has no regrets for the people he killed

[daring crater]

the gods themselves, though? like, cmon. eating souls of sapient creatures and obliterating them for power is like, super evil no matter how you frame it

[mighty zenith]

permafrost left him because he found out about the absolutely horrible shit yharim was doing and what did yharim do?
send calamitas to fucking kill him

[daring crater]

sure, you can use the power once you get it for some decent things

but im of the opinion that that's some lich shit

[mighty zenith]

pretty much everyone in this story is morally bankrupt

but that doesnt mean yharim was in the right

[daring crater]

I do feel there's also some distinction to be drawn between pre- and post-devourer yharim. he was no saint beforehand but DoG was basically a constantly present devil on his shoulder

[mighty zenith]

yharim doesnt mention anything DoG actually made him do
to me it seems more like pushing the blame onto DoG

[daring crater]

DoG is absolutely the scheming type. everything from the distortion is a hive intelligence

[mighty zenith]

(again, DoG is ALSO very fucked up but he's also not the one who told yharim to commit genocide)

[real silo]

Dog also joined yharim near the end of the crusade

So most of the fucked up shit was still on yharim

[daring crater]

did we get an exact timeline on that from draetalk?

[real silo]

Not sure

[daring crater]

"near the end" could reasonably mean anywhere from like the last 5% to the last third or so

it's also canon that the first few gods he killed were genuinely just... the fucking WORST. hence the corruption and crimson. so his first interaction with worshippers (outside of the cultists who yeeted him into the orange koolaid) might have also been with equally depraved individuals

a very... unfortunate first impression

[real silo]

DoG joined after the wall of flesh was created

Because waffle was made to contain god essence

[daring crater]

wall was made in azafure, which was destroyed after calamitas got into a fight with brimmy

[sinful adder]

Sometimes it was done after the dragons attacked, rather than them being hunted

[daring crater]

so that puts a hard last date it could have occurred

[sinful adder]

Also we don't have any evidence that distortion creatures are a hive mind

And also we don't have any evidence of DoG making yharim do anything outside of what Yharim said

[daring crater]

draetalk seemed to suggest it last i saw

or rather, that the ecosystem itself is coordinated

[mighty zenith]

in fact we have evidence that they're not

[real silo]

It says the bulk of the creatures, so not 100% of them

But still most of them

[mighty zenith]

storm weaver is able to act on its own

[real silo]

Grandpa beaber

[scenic olive]

Beaver

Storm Beaver

[mighty zenith]

bober kurwa

[cloud ibex]

That might’ve been on purpose

Intentionally start with the worst of the gods so people will go “hell yeah this mf is a real one” and therefore support him more when he moved onto the actual good gods

[scenic olive]

do you think brimstone crag is a naturally occuring biome

[sinful adder]

I think it's relatively natural, besides all the ruins, made by the same magical force of nature that made the brimstone elemental

[wheat walrus]

This verse will be soloed by me

[hushed geyser]

Solo deez

[wheat walrus]

I will rupture your nuts with my verse-soloing aura

[kindred apex]

come up with lore for the bosses, in case calamity was a mod for Minecraft

[lone moss]

Mod port for Minecraft (used in conjunction with TerrariaCraft)?

[hushed geyser]

There is lore

[kindred apex]

I don’t know, I’m just interested in theorizing about what kind of lore would a conditional Ender Dragon or Wither have

[hushed geyser]

They exploded

Irl

[lone moss]

Well, Sculk would be interesting, but it's spread doesn't hold a candle to Terraria's evil biome spread (For Sculk requires mob kills to even spread, and the rate of spread, while can burst in higher speed than Terraria's evil biome spread when a lot of exp-rich mobs die in quick succession, generally is barely noteworthy).

[graceful otter]

sculk would be smthn like glowing mushrooms

[keen hearth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185109217619750994/1210807627664072725/image0.gif

[solar wharf]

why does calamitas clone call us child...

isnt she also like

young as fuck

[buoyant inlet]

old dialogue

her dialogue was like barely changed in 4+ years i think

[solar wharf]

oh

i wonder how a calamitas clone rework would go

[buoyant inlet]

there will be a rewrite for all boss dialogues

so, calclone, dog and cal

[solar wharf]

o

[mighty zenith]

i love how all the bosses that speak had basically the exact same personality

aka redditor douchebag

[crisp cape]

it was all Yharim wearing cosplay

[keen hearth]

Does that include Dradon?

[mighty zenith]

in a way yes

they're all variants of redditor speech

[keen hearth]

Sounds like sort of just very formal speech

What about the NPCs

[wheat walrus]

true

[pliant ruin]

Btw not all dragons were good guys

And it's plausible that in Xeroc's case, Zeratros willingly let him consume its soul

some gods were bad, some gods were good

some dragons were bad, some dragons were good

[pliant ruin]

Also

[wheat walrus]

nvm the message above me doesn't say "Aldo" anymore

[pliant ruin]

The Dragon genocide was caused by various unaffiliated individuals and groups who wanted a auric soul

The God genocide was all organized by one guy

I think that's something alot of ppl dont take in account

Neither is good, but in only one of them you can really say That Guy Did It

[solar wharf]

and some of these invdividuals might have had a good reason

[pliant ruin]

Mhm

[solar wharf]

compared to yharim who killed good gods without even knowing

why they ate the soul

the god genocide is so much worse compared to the dragon one as the dragon one can and probably does have some cases where its justifable

or atleast understandable

[pliant ruin]

The dragon genocide hinges on various different people's own motivations and goals, good or bad

[solar wharf]

and some of these people didnt even plan for it to be a genocide

[pliant ruin]

The god genocide is all cuz of yharim being stinky

[solar wharf]

it just happens that others did it

while yharim WANTED it

to be a genocide

[pliant ruin]

Yup

[solar wharf]

i wont be surprised if a dragon slayer just wanted to slay a tyrant dragon

and was like "i mean... his auric soul is right there, may as well so he never comes back"

[woeful karma]

reasons why i should eat this auric soul:
i have the ritual
the auric soul is right there

[mighty zenith]

god of :3

[wheat walrus]

god of grimming

[woeful karma]

[fading siren]

9999 chicken nugget soul

[cold owl]

I find it interesting that Yharim states in the PBG that he doesn’t want to enslave anyone because that would make him just like the gods. Yet, by his own account, people committed genocide against the dragons to become gods, and now he is committing genocide against them.

[fair token]

Congratulations you have reallzed the folly of most corrupt leaders

they say thing bad and do the thing

[fading siren]

lol

[cold owl]

"I hate the gods and I would never do what they do, now i'm going back to genociding the gods cuz they did it to dragons" -Yharim

[warped bloom]

and hes based for that tbh

[fair token]

he looks even more like a clown

when you read in between the lines

and draw conclusions about how the dragons treated others

[cold owl]

Legit give him the clown fit

[fair token]

its a circle of death and hate

[spring helm]

“It’s different because I’m committing genocide for revenge, they committed genocide for power.”

[cold owl]

Yharim approves of this message

[cold owl]

"Im Yharim and I approve of this message"

[cloud ibex]

an eye for an eye is against the spirit of capitalism

you gotta demand some income tax on eyes so you end up net positive

[cold owl]

All this Yharim talk and corruption makes me wonder how his people were treated

And how much inflation there must have been.

After he fell

[fair token]

"Please do not question the narrative that this Dragon told me that Dragons were perfect"

"He is surely not biased"

[cold owl]

"Bu- bu- but my Dragon told me they were nice Dragons and Gods were bad. How could this be biase when they genocided his kind?"

[cold owl]

Not like Yharon has beef with them or anything

[pliant ruin]

Yharim when he's asked who's the bad guy beetween the God of Human Rights and the Dragon of Killing Babies

[cold owl]

Dragon, dragon good obv

All he needed to see is the word dragon

[cold owl]

Yharim is the type of guy to commit atrocities on innocent people without giving af but feel awful after noticing his "acts of justice" killed a singular bee.

[civic salmon]

not caring when people are getting hurt but finally noticing when an animal gets hurt is like... trademark racist behavior

Also, I hate to say it, but I feel like it does need to be said at least once: Yharim commited genocide of cultural and religious groups in the name of returning to a glorified, ideal past. That is the criteria for fascism

[fair token]

obviously

[brisk frigate]

Yharim is a racist fascist genocider, a basic triple combo

[cold owl]

Yharim legit believes Arson is a good way to deal with things.

Sees ppl worshiping who they believe is their savior? Burn them

[manic coral]

i mean, i'm sure it was only the BAD babies

right?

[graceful otter]

unless...

[stark basalt]

All babies are bad

[graceful otter]

"babies are biodegradable" -dragon of killing babies

[brisk frigate]

Babies can't pray to dragons so it was justified -yharim

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is literally a fascist yeah that's like

his entire character 😭

it's crazy that ppl genuinely see him as morally gray because he ''regrets" his actions whenlike... no he dosent

[stark basalt]

he's a dark grey imo
regret is something decent

(bare minimum

[brisk frigate]

Almost black

Like 1 pixel above

[stark basalt]

literally

[brisk frigate]

His regret is that he failed killing all gods

[pliant ruin]

Does having nuance as a character mean you're morally grey then??

[brisk frigate]

And that his army isn't really with him, with his strongest child soldier leaving

[pliant ruin]

Cuz like, i think that jsut means ur a well written character

tho tbf

i love nui from kill la kill and her entire character is that she's evil n silly with like 0 nuance sooo

[brisk frigate]

You can have a nuanced completely evil character

[pliant ruin]

yeah but nui isn't that

she's just evil and silly with 0 nuance

still loveher tho

[pliant ruin]

yharims a good example of this though

[brisk frigate]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

i'd argue another character that falls here would be belos from TOH and there's probably more that i know of but i can't name any rn

[brisk frigate]

Yuki terumi he has reasons why he's so cruel

But none good and is irredeemable

Hate feeds his life, born to be a being of destruction he craves only destruction for obvious reasons

[viral dagger]

Yharim doesnt regret his actions

"I have no regrets fighting for my people"

[split current]

Nameless deity actually has a name

And it's Xeroc

[split current]

Yharim's old name is Ignalius

[pliant ruin]

Is this satire,,,,,

[split current]

Yharim's girlfriend name is Flores

[pliant ruin]

Oh okay

[split current]

I'm srs

[pliant ruin]

Flores is my favorite calamity character

I loved when she went I'm gonna Calamity you and Calamity over Draedon or something

[split current]

That all i said is from calamity lore btw

[pliant ruin]

calamity fandom lore 😔

[split current]

Fandom?

Bad

Now it's false

[cloud ibex]

either fandom or total calamity

[mighty zenith]

or just their own brainrot

[cloud ibex]

or that

[graceful otter]

iirc flores is a fandom thing

who is yharims gf is a bee and became virili

and something else important that im forgetting

[tall delta]

she created terrarian

too peak

[spring helm]

what did i just read

[novel tulip]

boowomp

[novel tulip]

where tf did u get this information

[shut tide]

Posting misinformation online

[shut tide]

[wheat walrus]

Killing you lil bro

Nameless Deity ain't even canon

[wheat walrus]

Nah bro I ain't even killing you I'm condemning you to eternal damnation

[shut tide]

Send this man to calamity fandom wiki

[spring helm]

who summoned yharon on my fucking meme

[cloud ibex]

sorry i'll get that fixed

brb calling a squad of hbg users

[wheat walrus]

Nahh 😭😭😭

[novel tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/w-gif-15656275064413132464

[brisk frigate]

Smite the sinner

[random mulch]

xerconk is now a mandelo catalonk

[spring helm]

Lore writers is this canon

[pliant ruin]

give them a big beard

a really big santa claus beard

also give them a santa claus hat

also just make them santa claus

[scenic olive]

Xernoc

[daring crater]

that's an interesting angle, and if so, zeratros fucked up MAJORLY by not telling people he was willingly relinquishing his soul rather than having it stolen

like, if only xeroc knew it was a willing act, who's gonna believe him when he says it

[neat tinsel]

“yeah guys I didn’t steal his soul he told me I could have it”

“source: trust me bro”

[strong notch]

Idk why i am coming with this randomly but

How would Yharon react if he saw Xeroc?

[neat tinsel]

read the above messages in a nameless deity voice

[neat tinsel]

this is a fight he cannot win

[spring helm]

even if zeratros did, that wouldnt stop other humans from forcefully taking auric souls

[graceful otter]

xeroc talks about theirs and yharons relationship as "old friend" so probably not well

[strong notch]

yharon would lose a letter in his response and named him "old fiend"

[neat tinsel]

THE LORDE’s actual name is yermes, this is 100% true information

[neat tinsel]

knowing cal lore writers, this could be genuinely real

[strong notch]

now if Xeroc names Yharon his old friend then does it mean that gods after absorbing auric soul receive memories of dragon they consumed including their relations to other characters?

[neat tinsel]

lore

[strong notch]

where is it written in lore

[neat tinsel]

idk

[graceful otter]

xeroc was a monk to the dragons

they could just walk up to zeratros' dying body

[neat tinsel]

Asking Draedon about the Androomba should be a thing

[graceful otter]

i think they knew yharon

[strong notch]

I want to ask him about what he thinks about us

[neat tinsel]

“idk”

[strong notch]

also there will probably be draedate in gfb so there is a possibility of that question appearing in it

[neat tinsel]

DATING START!

[pliant ruin]

I mean

Nobody said he kept it a secret

If anything it seems like Yharom and Yharim r just biased to their own interpretation of it lol

It'd be understandable why nobody would talk about it being willing given it's been a long time since it happened and anyone that could've theoretically known about it is most likely dead given they'd probably be either gods or dragons

Also yeah, as ppl said before

Even if it was explicitly clear that it was a willing act

That wouldn't stop other gods from ascending

Xeroc ascends > Ppl close to xeroc know how to do the ritual > Ppl close to those close to xeroc know how to do the ritual > so on

[brisk frigate]

those that want power learn you can ascend

[spare pier]

And it wouldn't stop other Dragons from disagreeing

[brisk frigate]

like eventually it could get to people that should've never heard it

and did

[spring helm]

"Yeah guys, I just gave my soul to a mortal. It's cool."
"We... are not doing that."

[pliant ruin]

Also this ye

No matter how you approach things, there'll always be people that stick to their own views, no matter how illogical

[random mulch]

shaved yharim too much

[pliant ruin]

wh

i see a shape

[spring helm]

where is the rest of him

[pliant ruin]

it looks like a robot... bee? fish?

[random mulch]

shaved off

[brisk frigate]

ok so shave yharon

[spring helm]

chicken nugget no breading

[brisk frigate]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[spring helm]

bro that's too much

[random mulch]

shaved myself a lil bit too much

[spring helm]

girl why you no ear

[brisk frigate]

I'mma roast this yharon rq

[random mulch]

i shaved my head off please help

[wheat walrus]

Caloro with a long tongue is cursed beyond reason

[humble fog]

Deserved

[spiral sorrel]

personal opinions, do you think the "proposal" in the boss rush will be added after yharim is (and added to the boss rush)?

[random mulch]

probably related to fucking up noxus in one way or another

[brisk frigate]

I couldn't afford anything more then this 1 dollar pan to cook yharon 😦

[spring helm]

i can't draw hands

[random mulch]

my head's still missing but thanks for trying i guess

[spring helm]

the most important bit is back

[cloud ibex]

i offer you in its stead: the Orb

⚫
🫴

[random mulch]

sorry, noxus already owns it

[cloud ibex]

it's a different Orb

this one's made of solid steel

can be custom made to have one (1) Mouth if needed

[random mulch]

instructions unclear, stuck under orb

[cloud ibex]

ok i may have made the Orb too big

that one's on me

but that can be fixed

[brisk frigate]

wow

the orb is a new color too

[solar wharf]

do bows even make sense ingame, we have the technology to make guns, so why not that?

[random mulch]

string go doing, that's reason enough

[solar wharf]

DAMN

fair enough

i mean i love bows dont get me wrong

its just confusing to me, isnt a gun just better?

[graceful otter]

bows have their niches and guns are fucking expensive

[solar wharf]

cost actually makes sense as an explanation

thank you for this explanation noo b

[graceful otter]

like holy shit have you heard a gun

shits loud

[jade root]

Do guns even make sense ingame, we have technology to make missile launchers, so why not that?
missile launchers are better than guns right?

[graceful otter]

if u need to ambush a group of people you are NOT using a gun

[solar wharf]

but missile launchers are more destructive rather than concetrated

thats the thing

its also heavier

and too big usually

not to mention slower

[graceful otter]

^

[solar wharf]

slower as in velocity

and usually dont have as much firing speed as a machine gun

[jade root]

Correct, and when killing things you want destruction.
especially when youre trying to kill really really big things like bosses

[graceful otter]

we hear that yharim were part of clean up crews in cities they took over

[solar wharf]

but destruction does not equal piercing

[graceful otter]

probably to make colonies

so using a launcher would not be advisable

[jade root]

well missiles irl are actually faster than bullets usually so no not really
but fire rate makes sense

[solar wharf]

its why tank shells actually PREFER piercing rather than explosions

[solar wharf]

they are??

[jade root]

yes

[solar wharf]

never knew that

[jade root]

the fastest missiles are like a solid 4x faster than the fastest bullets

[solar wharf]

i'd assume a bullet is more accurate compared to an RPG

tho

[random mulch]

that really shouldnt be surprising tbh
they're literally a small rocket with a bomb strapped to it

[solar wharf]

ye but it has more weight

so i'd assume a small bullet

[random mulch]

it's a rocket

[solar wharf]

would have more velocity

[solar wharf]

ig

[jade root]

Tanks generally use apfsds rounds
however these need to be aimed at the tanks ammo reservoirs in order to be able to kill a tank properly
kind of like how a bullet would do more damage if aimed for the head or heart
that being said javelin missiles completely fuck over tanks to the point where tanks will most likely become redundant in the future lol

[solar wharf]

but the other points still apply

guns are less heavy, faster, and more accurate

we are also talking about a handheld rocket launcher

so guns existing makes sense

but humans left bows for a reason

[graceful otter]

arent tanks being produced less because newer and more advanced anti tank weaponry can be engineered faster than newer and more advanced tanks

[jade root]

Well, missiles are faster than bullets and theyre more accurate because they can be homing to an astonishing degree of accuracy
the only reason why guns are still used is because theyre really cheap in comparison and expendable
a missile is just an objectively more powerful weapon

[jade root]

its essentially gun 2

[solar wharf]

hendheld rocket launchers tho

last time i checked handheld rocket launchers are more stationary

and the ones that are more accurate are even more stationary

[spring helm]

are you guys still talking about calamity or irl

[solar wharf]

i asked why bows exist when guns are just better bows

siucrai said why do guns exist when rocket launchers do

[spring helm]

magic i guess

[solar wharf]

but i personally think guns outclass rocket launchers in other aspects

[jade root]

similar to anti material rifles yes
but you can still run and gun with one if you are a maniac
same with a minigun (if youre crazy enough)

[random mulch]

wrong noxus

[solar wharf]

ye but running with a handheld rocket would always result in less accuarcy or risk, miniguns and anti-material rifles shouldnt be ran with but they arent the only guns

[spring helm]

oopsie daisy

[jade root]

I think the only areas where a gun can outclass a missile are in these categories

1. cost
2. expendability
3. weight/size
4. fire rate too mb

[solar wharf]

vs a boss thats as fast as you and can also oneshot you, a gun would always be a better option to a rocket launcher

[random mulch]

local orb owner mistaken for another, innocent being of pure destruction

[spring helm]

"Honest mistake, my bad G"

[solar wharf]

also to this, then use same said magic into making a gun

wouldnt that be more efficient?

[daring crater]

the real question is which auric dragon died to make the torch god

[solar wharf]

torch god isnt canon sadly

[spring helm]

Dragon of light

[random mulch]

auric dragon of torch

[spring helm]

the normal one

not primordial

[jade root]

A rocket launcher would just do way more damage realistically
and you can get missile launchers than can be exceedingly fast in comparison to a bullet
the terrarian has already shown great feats of strength, he could probably rip a missile pod off of a fighter jet and decimate bosses

[cloud ibex]

torch god is a hallucination caused by carbon monoxide poisoning

that's how it can kill you

your lungs fill with carbon monoxide and you suffocate

[spring helm]

i only know the noxus from Wrath of the Gods, which one is this

[solar wharf]

ye but i doubt the terrarian can scarifice much speed when the boss can oneshot or heavily damage you

[random mulch]

my own design

[spring helm]

that's cool

[random mulch]

thank

[cloud ibex]

i love fucked up Creatures

[solar wharf]

and even then, this debate ended right when you agreed that there is some stuff that guns are better than missile launchers at, my point isnt that guns are stronger, its that there is a reason to use a gun

compared to let say

[jade root]

I mean
if hes strong enough to carry around anti material rifles and swords that are several meters in lenght just fine then im sure a missile pod wouldnt be much of an exception

[solar wharf]

a bow?

what reason is there to go for a bow over a gun

[spring helm]

terrarian is a nerd and wants to look cool

[jade root]

Bows would be better for stealth and causing more tears and slices (bleeding) over a gun

[cloud ibex]

lighter and more silent ig

[solar wharf]

i dont tears and slice matter if 20 bullets land on a target

silence makes sense tho but i dont see a reason to be stealthy for a ranger?

[jade root]

and a guns versatility doesnt matter if a missile can blow the boss to shreds within a few milliseconds

[cloud ibex]

also considering there's magic in cal bows can actually get on a similar level of damage to guns regardless of real world logic

[solar wharf]

thats the thing

it doesnt

[daring crater]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-light-yagami-writing-study-exams-gif-22300481

Calamity devs erasing all mentions of torch god and his achievements from school history books

[solar wharf]

DoG wouldnt get heavily harmed by a launcher

or atleast the ones that the terrarain has

[jade root]

ofc it doesnt we are using real world physics in a mystical world
in this mystical magical world bows can and do out damage both guns and rocket launchers and grenade launchers

[spring helm]

now i want to draw that scene of gear 5 luffy grabbing kaido but with DoG and Yharim

[solar wharf]

ye

thats true

but as i said, just use said magic on guns? no?

if ur able to upgrade a bow to literally be onpar with a gun

why not upgrade a gun

[spring helm]

This one

[cloud ibex]

again bows are lighter and stealthier

[solar wharf]

dont bring missile launchers as i already explained, they do have some disadvantages compared to a gun

while theres next to 0 reason to use a bow over a gun

[solar wharf]

most boss fights dont inculde the player assassinating a boss

lighter ig? but wouldnt u just go for the inbetween? not too heavy not too light while giving better everything else

[cloud ibex]

yea but most soldiers in the cal universe didn't get boss fights

[solar wharf]

im talking for the player specifically

[cloud ibex]

the player is a very special case

[solar wharf]

why would the player use a bow

[cloud ibex]

the player? idk maybe they just think bows are cooler

maybe they're an elf

[spring helm]

they do take different skills to use

depending on your terrarian headcanon that could explain why they'd prefer one or the other

[solar wharf]

true

it all boils down to headcannon

[mighty zenith]

my terrarian has a head cannon

[mighty zenith]

where is this from

i need to knw

[cloud ibex]

i have no idea

[mighty zenith]

i have to find this

[spring helm]

gunhead

[jade root]

a missile launchers advantages far outweigh the disadvantages similar to how a guns advantages far outweigh the disadvantages compared to a bow (at least for bosses)

[crisp cape]

guns have ammo capacity

[cloud ibex]

thank you fandom, very cool

[spring helm]

wow, he's got a gun for a head

[jade root]

Awesome
missiles do hundreds of times the damage

[mighty zenith]

time to read peak fiction

[solar wharf]

i think

less accuarcy
less speed
more expensive

is more of a disadvantage compared to bows vs guns whos just

more expensive
more heavy

[crisp cape]

doesn't matter whether you're shot in the head or reduced to confetti, you're still dead

[jade root]

Missiles (especially those like the starstreak) can travel up to mach 4-5 and have incredible range and ultra precise homing capabilities to the point where they can take out a fighter jet going mach 1.4 over 30 miles away

however theyre are much MUCH more expensive

[solar wharf]

but to get that accuarcy, it needs to lock in no?

im not exactly best at this topic so

also thats ASSUMING the player has that type of technology

[jade root]

both laser guided (manually) and lock on (automatic)

[crisp cape]

it has heat tracking, likely

[spring helm]

a couple million at least

[solar wharf]

all the rockets we have dont even guide

[jade root]

indeed

[solar wharf]

.

[jade root]

snowman cannon does

[solar wharf]

that isnt canon no?

[jade root]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

prob not

[solar wharf]

because its from an event which isnt canon

the point is, launchers arent even that advanced

[crisp cape]

and anyways, terraria guns are magic

[solar wharf]

they are more similar to an rpg

then a fighter jet one

[jade root]

i suppose you can say magnomaly cannon which is canon iirc

[solar wharf]

that doesnt seek

and is also slower than a bullet

[crisp cape]

what kind of modern sniper rifle uses the same ammo as a musket?

What kind of gun is a minishark?

[solar wharf]

i assumed just a machine gun with a shark slapped on it

[jade root]

it does
and it being slower than a bullet is more of a gameplay thing i would say

[solar wharf]

it does?

[crisp cape]

Also, you can use magic with guns, as shown with the megashark, which is enchanted with souls from the Destroyer

[jade root]

yeah

[solar wharf]

have i been using it wrong

i dont remember it seeking

[solar wharf]

ye thats why i think the argument of "u use bows cuz magic" just apply that magic on a gun

to upgrade it even more

[crisp cape]

doesn't work, there's less to upgrade about guns than bows

Arrows have much more mass, imagine putting a spell that magnified their force on them

[solar wharf]

magic is versatile as fuck tho

[random flicker]

Everyone arguing about guns being magic but no one is mentioning how the terrarian managed to use musket balls on rifles,pistols and other guns

[crisp cape]

.

[solar wharf]

depends on the bullet, some bullets are actually more dense no?

[crisp cape]

dense, yes, massive, no

[jade root]

it will probably be changed when the rework comes around i would say

[solar wharf]

o

didnt work for me lmao

either that or i was blind

[jade root]

yeah same for me tbh
last i used it i was having issues
maybe it ws a bug or something

[crisp cape]

which is why you can feasibly use a sword to kill gods

[solar wharf]

ye but against a boss that isnt easy to actually damage, wouldnt piercing and damage be so much better than surface area

[crisp cape]

doesn't really matter against magically enhanced items. Piercing and damage can be found in every class

Bullets usually have less piercing than most weapons

[solar wharf]

piercing in calamity shouldnt be used as it doesnt make sense

if my bow can pierce THRU DoG then how is it fucking alive

i tore a HOLE

and with how fast im shooting too?

[jade root]

I mean
the terrarian can literally craft laser beam weapon and particle accelerator cannons so even then a gun would be rather outdated compared to the crazy shit the terrarian pulls out of its ass

like wtf even is miracle matter

[solar wharf]

i honestly agree with that tho

why isnt the terrarain using more railguns and particle accerlerators

[spring helm]

ask draedon

[jade root]

Tf needs a missile launcher or anti material rifles when you can just vapourise your enemy from miles away with gamma rays (photoviscerator)

instantly at that

[solar wharf]

so true

[crisp cape]

In-story answer: DoG has great armor. Your arrow isn't piercing, but rather gliding along his armor.
Out-of-story answer: That would be boring

[solar wharf]

thats my point tho, actual canon wise, bullets have more piercing

its just that, ingame piercing is weird

[crisp cape]

should differentiate between penetration and piercing

penetration being a weapon's capacity to travel through a target, and piercing being the number of targets it can hit at once

[pliant ruin]

wait this had a anime??

literally nobody talked about it wtf

[jaunty wraith]

Is there anything saying weather eh terrain fought the exo Mechs or calamitas first?

[tropic oak]

Hello lorians

[random mulch]

your character has no official lore so the closest thing is whichever you fought first in your playthrough

[solar wharf]

as orios said, ur character is based off of what you want and ur playthrough

so let say, i want my terrarain to be a big strong magical squid

i like how

cei said squid once

and now everyone is using that

as the prime example

but anyway yes

so, it depends on who YOU fought first

so u can even say ur player beat duke fishron pre-hm

[cloud ibex]

personally i think doing SCal last makes more sense from a story standpoint cause it leads into Yharim more naturally

[solar wharf]

me as well

[spring helm]

personally i prefer Draedon last

[cloud ibex]

exos last makes it feel like you're helping this woman with an immense amount of guilt in her heart who was forced to seal away her own father figure so he wouldn't be killed by the guy who turned her into a walking weapon of mass destruction, and you're on the way to beat the shit out of said guy but then suddenly get an intermission where cyborg jimmy neutron wants to chow down on antifreeze and sardine souls while watching you fight a floating gundam eva skeleton samurai, a big metal laser worm and a pair of small fast fucks that kinda look like eyes

[spring helm]

i just like fighting big robots

anyway, here's uh... Calamitas' breaking point with yharim

[cloud ibex]

and once you're done cyborg jimmy neutron is like "lmao dude that was kinda sick actually have these cool rocks. anyway bye"

[spring helm]

and then you call him up again and again, and he lore dumps like a neurodivergent child talking about trains

[cloud ibex]

yeah

i just think going exos -> scal -> yharim feels more natural in a story sense

[spring helm]

That does explain why miracle matter doesn’t have ashes of annihilation

[graceful otter]

is draedon neurodivergent because he doesnt have a physical brain

[spring helm]

It’s all relative anyway, he’s neurodivergent to us

[hushed geyser]

Everything is neurodivergent

[wheat walrus]

They say I'm neuroconvergent tho

[visual kiln]

lore discussion

[tall delta]

i love lore

[sinful adder]

the player can regenerate with healing potions, it isn't that out there to expect that some characters can just regenerate naturally

[solar wharf]

it literally acts like it leaves lasting damage

i forgot what i was gonna say fuck

[sinful adder]

That can be true if you just drain the healing ability

like, the player has a fixed number of healing potions in their inventory, who's to say that the huge health bars aren't just the healing potions in the boss's blood all added up

[solar wharf]

so shouldnt piercing weapons be dealing more damage as it is harder to heal a literal hole over a big wound.

and in bosses such as DoG where its actually armor, regeneration wouldnt be an exusce for piercing

[sinful adder]

this probably isn't true with magic involved because the player has healing potions that undo any damage too

and if its not just biological regeneration, then it might as well be anything

[solar wharf]

again ur just using "magic" as an exusce

i can justify anything that illogical via that too

it just doesnt make sense without throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks

piercing realistically wouldnt even be a stat, as that depends on velocity + mass

which guess who also depends on that?

DAMAGE

they would just be under 1 role

[sinful adder]

you absolutely can in a setting where there is just magic everything

[hushed geyser]

Yes cus

That's how magic works

[sinful adder]

it could, if it goes by how sharp the projectile is

[solar wharf]

but this literally implies as i said, piercing would be dealing more damage

[hushed geyser]

Magic

[solar wharf]

(sharpness deals damage too)

[hushed geyser]

Heals it up

[sinful adder]

yeah but at that point its just game mechanic

[hushed geyser]

Makes it do less

[solar wharf]

which is

THE POINT

[hushed geyser]

Blah blah blah

[solar wharf]

IM MAKING

its game mechanic, dont use it in the argument

[sinful adder]

ok then yes

but it still probably corresponds to a real thing, just very loosely

rather than by any hard rule

[solar wharf]

for damage to be dealt you need to pierce anyway

[hushed geyser]

No not necessarily

Ever heard of a blunt weapon

[solar wharf]

ye but is a blunt weapon

a gun?

[hushed geyser]

Yes

[solar wharf]

what

[hushed geyser]

Use the stock

[sinful adder]

paintball guns hurt

[hushed geyser]

Pistol whip him

[sinful adder]

as do rubber bullets

[solar wharf]

ok fair enough but thats not the point

im talking about ranger

[hushed geyser]

Bullets aren't blunt technically

[solar wharf]

piercing should just be classified under damage as for a gun to deal more damage

you literally need to pierce

rubber bullets dont deal damage

[sinful adder]

piercing is how much armor is negated, right?

[hushed geyser]

The damage dealt to my muscles disagree

And potential death caused by them

[solar wharf]

piercing is how much mass something can go thru i think?

thats what i see it ass

[solar wharf]

against armored targets???

[hushed geyser]

If you got good aim probably

[sinful adder]

piercing can just be a measure of how well the projectile ignores armor relative to one that breaks through with raw force alone

[solar wharf]

again this debate started off on terrarain, i dont think rubber bullets would deal much damage to DoG even with let say, tin armor

[hushed geyser]

Shoot the same spot like 8×10⁵⁶ times ans eventually something will happen

[sinful adder]

armor doesn't make you immune to blunt damage becuase if you hit hard enough, the damage is transfered through the armor through shock alone, so that the armor is the thing that hits you

[solar wharf]

ye but the damage is minimized, piercing literally just adds more damage

for it to be its own stat doesnt make sense

as piercing is a vital point of damage

without it, u'd be stuck with blunt force, which for a gun doesnt work

as you are not abusing the velocity ur gaining

[graceful otter]

wat is going on

[sinful adder]

Duck is arguing that piercing doesn't make sense

but like, it does

[solar wharf]

to be more specific

on a gun whichs entire point is to utilize piercing FOR damage, piercing shouldnt be a stat for them IN A REALISTIC SENSE, IM NOT SUGGESTING CALAMITY TO REMOVE IT

[sinful adder]

piercing can make sense as any effect that increases damage against armored targets without simply increasing mass and velocity

and there are ways that can do that

[hushed geyser]

This is boring

Bye

[solar wharf]

cya

[graceful otter]

what

[solar wharf]

ye but how would you do that?

on a gun i mean

how do you increase piercing without increasing damage as well

[sinful adder]

you can make a bullet sharp, you can make it phase through the armor like a ghost, you can make it melt the armor, you can make it teleport inside the armor, ect.

[solar wharf]

which is all sources of damage

all ur doing is breaking down damage, ur not creating a new stat

[sinful adder]

well it does increase the damage, it does that in game too

[solar wharf]

wdym?

[graceful otter]

lower base damage increase pierce

[sinful adder]

it just increases the damage in a different way

[graceful otter]

im a balance nerd i know this shit

[solar wharf]

ye but thats not how it works irl so it doesnt make sense at that point

im gonna say this again

im not saying calamity should remove piercing lmao

im saying piercing doesnt make sense in calamity if we apply it irl

[sinful adder]

adding pierce increases damage because it subtracts the armor stat. And yes it absolutely could work this way irl, it just doesn't happen to make sense most of the time

I know what you're saying

I'm saying you're wrong

[solar wharf]

ok, so how do you increase piercing without increasing damage

irl

i want to know this

[wheat walrus]

HAIII :333

🇮🇹

[solar wharf]

hi

[graceful otter]

use ur own piss (golden shower) to apply an acidic effect (ichor) on the enemys armour (defence)

[wheat walrus]

[sinful adder]

by making the projectile sharper, like an arrowhead, or by making it so hot that it vaporizes the armor before it even hits the target

[solar wharf]

both of these are sources of damage tho

flamethrowers have a damage stat

[sinful adder]

this doesn't matter

[solar wharf]

ur saying they dont use damage values

it does because

with these

ur increasing damage???

[graceful otter]

why is no one reacting to my answer

its correct

[sinful adder]

PIERCING IS INCREASING DAMAGE

[solar wharf]

THATS

MY POINT

SO WHY HAVE IT AS A DIFFERENT STAT?

[sinful adder]

IT ALREADY IS IN BOTH REAL LIFE AND IN TERRARIA

[solar wharf]

CANT YOU JUST MAKE IT A SUB-CATEGORY OF DAMAGE

[graceful otter]

no

thats not how games work im afraid

[solar wharf]

noob

[sinful adder]

there's no such thing as a sub category

[wheat walrus]

Why is this lore

[solar wharf]

ur misunderstanding

[sinful adder]

in this

[solar wharf]

i agree with this statement

games shouldnt have it like this

but im saying irl it doesnt make sense what games do

yes im aware its a game

[sinful adder]

piercing, in terraria, is another category of damage

[solar wharf]

but i would need to explain the context

for it to make sense

and its too long

[graceful otter]

then stop using gaming related terms like stat

[solar wharf]

well the topic is about a game vs irl

so i kinda have too

but i see ur point

[sinful adder]

duck you are not making any sense

[solar wharf]

for the wrong reasons tho?

[sinful adder]

no?

its as correct as anything else

[solar wharf]

it doesnt deal more damage against a target with a single hurtbox

[pliant ruin]

Hi lorians

[solar wharf]

hi

[sinful adder]

are you talking about armor penetration or multiple target piercing

[pliant ruin]

i jsut spent like.... a hour making a resumeé of the plot of my story i'm so happy

[solar wharf]

multiple target piercing

[pliant ruin]

it's come so far and i'm really satisfied with it

[sinful adder]

oh

[solar wharf]

armor penetration is different no?

[sinful adder]

I was talking about armor penetration

[solar wharf]

oh

[wheat walrus]

I'll be piercing through the lorian armor

[solar wharf]

good job!!!

[solar wharf]

my bad lmao

shouldv gotten it once you said "melt"

[cloud ibex]

lmao

[wheat walrus]

jood gob

[sinful adder]

but regardless, you can still do piercing in real life, because going faster eventually does less damage in real life, because some of the damage comes from the projectile getting stuck

so you can have a projectile leave something behind but also pierce through to hit another target

its just not worth doing in real life

[solar wharf]

ye but thats because of a different reason, if it werent for that, piercing would always just add more damage

[graceful otter]

im still correct i think

[sinful adder]

so yeah anyways in real life you do piercing with something that acts like a rocket, by shooting through the target, activating an explosive inside the target, then using that explosion to propel the remaining mass of the projectile into another target on the other side.

the bulk of the damage would come from the explosion, the bullet is just a mechanism to get the explosive inside the target

[solar wharf]

yes but thats not the point again

[sinful adder]

you're not very funny

[solar wharf]

im not saying piercing would be the highest damage contributor

im saying adding pierce would always result in more damage in a few exceptions

which have nothing to do with pierce itself

[sinful adder]

no it wouldn't, because in the setup I described, it would do the same small amount of non piercing dammage, and most of it would come from the explosion, and that's close enough to being how piercing works in game.

[pliant ruin]

what is this conversation even about

[solar wharf]

thats because its stopped? if i shoot a bullet thru a tank, one with more piercing and one with less, without exploding the bullet and stopping it in its track

[pliant ruin]

is lore chat getting lore implications from game mechanics again

bad lore chat

bad!

[sinful adder]

also, arrows work like this in real life. They have high damage and no piecing because they get stuck in you and do most of their damage that way, whereas bullets have higher piercing because they go through more mass

[solar wharf]

whos dealing more damage/

[solar wharf]

kinda?

yes and no

it started from that

but its like

no longer about that

[pliant ruin]

what is it about now im so confused

[sinful adder]

it could be either way

[pliant ruin]

i hear soemthing about bullets and aroows

arrow

arrows

[sinful adder]

its about what the piercing stat represents

[solar wharf]

im saying realisitcally

[pliant ruin]

it represents piercing

it means u pierce enemies

[solar wharf]

piercing is just another form of damage

its just damage

so it being a stat

REALISTICALLY

doesnt make sense

its just a sub-category of damage

for u to pierce, you need things that deal damage

[sinful adder]

no it literally isn't, beacause you can pierce an enemy and do the same amount of damage as if you hadn't pierced

[solar wharf]

ok

may i ask

how?

[pliant ruin]

i mean i kind of get that but also not really cuz in real life there's no individual ''health'' for a creature

It's just like

depending on where, what, and how you ''damage'' something it may have different results

[solar wharf]

ye but damage is universal, vs a non armored target, explosions would always deal more damage while vs an armored one, penetration will

[sinful adder]

bullets do this in real life if you make them go too fast. They stop doing more damage if they go all the way through a target

[solar wharf]

again thats cuz of a different issue, not piercing itself

ur not getting it

[sinful adder]

no it isn't, that is directly because of the piercing

also more importantly

think about it this way

[pliant ruin]

If you shoot an arrow in someone's shoulder it might be a bit more effective than a bullet cuz arrows sticking to the target may cause more bleeding + damage due to having to remove the arrow

but like

if you shoot someone almost anywhere else

the bullet is better

again it's too vague to rly compare cuz

[sinful adder]

"damage" is the total damage from all sources, "piercing" is how many targets that damage can be spread across

[solar wharf]

a bullet staying in the wound deals more damage not because it cant pierce, but because it stayed there, if let say it had more piercing and pierced thru the target but SOMEHOW got stopped and stayed there

[pliant ruin]

real life is kind of too complicated to compare to vidyogamym

[solar wharf]

is it dealing any less damage?

fuck no

piercing doesnt take away damage

it just happens that the target ur using it against gets damaged more

by something other than piercing

[pliant ruin]

there is a point to be made that having a arrow embedded in a non-vital part of your body is likely more damaging than having a bullet go through that part of your body all the way

Like the shoulder example ig ave

but also idk how this relates to lore

[sinful adder]

then yes, but now imagine you have a bullet that can hit once and stick or can hit multiple times and stick for each time. You are just increasing damage, but your incrase in damage does not increase against a single target

[solar wharf]

but thats not my point

i agree that

increasing damage doesnt increase my pierce

[sinful adder]

your point is irrelevant then

[solar wharf]

as explosion isnt piercing

yet it can deal more damage

however

adding more pierce adds more damage in general

because to gain pierce, you need to give it things that increase damage to begin with

[sinful adder]

yes obviously it does, assuming you have more targets to hit

[solar wharf]

whether you like it or not

[pliant ruin]

I mean

if you have a arrow that pierces through someones chests

or a rrow

that sticks to their chest

the . one that pierces is gonna be more damaging, realistically.

[solar wharf]

i already argued against this cheese

[sinful adder]

but also no, velocity alone stops increasing damage past a certain point

[solar wharf]

.

[pliant ruin]

i still don't understand

whats going on here

and how this relates ot lore

[sinful adder]

I don't either

[pliant ruin]

[graceful otter]

reduce base damage to fuckton, make iframes 0 and give everything inf pierce and done

[solar wharf]

it doesnt and you shouldnt

[graceful otter]

realistic terraria

[solar wharf]

what

i mean

fair enough i guess

[pliant ruin]

realistic terraria

duke fishron dies out of water cuz hes a fish

strop fltying

ur a fish

not abird

stupid

[solar wharf]

yeah

pokemon should sue him

hes shooting his children...

like DRAGAPULT

[tall delta]

what is the convo about

[solar wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/dragapult-pokemon-gif-27380998

[graceful otter]

isnt dragapult based on a real animal

[solar wharf]

there is no way a creature that resembles that abmonation exists

[pliant ruin]

ye

diplocaulus

[solar wharf]

what the fuck...

[pliant ruin]

evil guy

horrible animal

[eager bluff]

they dont exist

not anymore

[pliant ruin]

they don't anymore

they1're dead

they also didn't fly or shoot their children at their enemies

they're just really dumb looking

that's kind of it

[eager bluff]

i mean its also based off the b-2 stealth bomber

[graceful otter]

is the b-2 stealth bomber the "throw children" inspiration then

[pliant ruin]

diplocaulus also was probably eaten by dimetrodon so that's cool

[graceful otter]

[solar wharf]

we sure this is like

a natural creature

maybe this is evidence of bio engineering

[pliant ruin]

unfortunately yes

[eager bluff]

yes actually

the children are designed to look similar to missiles

[graceful otter]

wtf

[pliant ruin]

i love fucked up paleozoic guys

nobody knows why it had a fucked up boomerang head by the way

there's like 5 different theories

some think it was a courtship thing, other thought it might make it harder to be eaten by predators, other think it was to swim, others think it was to burrow, some think it was a mix of a number of those things and some people think it was all of them. or none of them. who fucking knows at this point

[eager bluff]

spoiler alert i made them theres no reason it just looks funky :D

[pliant ruin]

thanks glassius cannonius

appreciate it. they're very shitty and i hate them

but in like, a affectionate way.

[solar wharf]

nah mine is pure hatred

probably pain too

i'd kill them off

[wheat walrus]

HUUUWWWWWAAAH

[spring helm]

evolutionary radiation my favourite
fucked up looking animals trying every niche to see what sticks

[spring helm]

weird looking animal...

monster...

kill them...

hunt..?

[wheat walrus]

🧌🙏

[tall delta]

hunt of the old god

[crimson finch]

hunt of the new god

hunt of the current god

[urban hedge]

Hunt of the Wrath of the Gods

[real silo]

Hunt of the wrath of the old gods

Ultimate addon mod

[stark basalt]

Sup yall

[spring helm]

Hello Aido

[stark basalt]

How goes the lore?

[hoary berry]

it's loring

[buoyant inlet]

Welcome to the underground

How was the lore

[latent bolt]

hunt of the wrathful catalyst of the old clamity gods

[hoary berry]

community remix style

[random mulch]

i have a horrible idea

nvm cant get it to fit

[fading siren]

The verboten addon

[untold bluff]

Is desert scourge related to tomb crawlers and dune splicers? (his first sprite was a red dune splicer)

[real silo]

Distant relative maybe

Maybe dune splicers are native desert worms who migrated from other deserts while ds is a water worm who had its habitat turned into a desert

[solar wharf]

could be another case of convergent evolution

thats why desert worms look similar to ds

not convergent wait

nvm it is convergent

[buoyant inlet]

I highly doubt it

those are worms

like, actual worms

with no bones and stuff

DS is a serpent

They're as related as irl coral reef snakes are related to for example bobbit worms

[hoary berry]

is celestial onion canon

[untold bluff]

I'm not even sure...

[hoary berry]

because i do not want to have to justify that thing's existence in the story plan i'm making for an oc

but a replacement system for accessories is a major part of what i'm working on so onion is actually pertinent

[solar wharf]

i doubt it? realistically, an accessory limit does not make sense and an onion increasing it makes even less sense

[hoary berry]

i was thinking so

but to begin with accessories make very little sense half of the time

so i didn't want to feel so sure

[solar wharf]

my headcanon is that, the only limit is just weight, but the reason people like yharim who are strong enough to handle many accessories at once would benefit little as they also need the skill to use said accessories, and a human can only be skillful in many things, like yharim CAN have a deadshot broch but if he isnt good with guns/bows, why? and if he has an issue with learning them, why bother when u can just throw away excess weight.

my headcanon for my player is that he has no skill limit, hence why hes able to keep up with literal gods but thats not really the context here

[graceful otter]

celestial onion makes you grow extra...flesh? to hold another accessory

[solar wharf]

DAMN!

[graceful otter]

this is totally real lore

dont ask where i got it from

[solar wharf]

noob for writer!!

[buoyant inlet]

i sure wonder if noob is a writer for any calamity related project

[graceful otter]

no

[buoyant inlet]

that would be so silly

clearly she can't properly write and makes typos left and right

[graceful otter]

nuh uh

[trim edge]

where does the flesh grow

[hoary berry]

i'm currently thinking of scrapping accessories altogether for my oc

they will be replaced by types of magic, and the accessory limit will essentially be however many types of magic you can sustain

[solar wharf]

o

[hoary berry]

that's a very simplified version of what i have in mind

[solar wharf]

so celestial onion can actually be canonized for u then?

[hoary berry]

also i sure do love it when my internet decides that a message should take 30 seconds to send

[graceful otter]

celestial onion helps your brain and lets you cast more (1) magic than before

u can focus on one more spell!

[hoary berry]

it will not be an onion