there could be a possibilty that hes trying to portray himself as not so evil to get on our good side
#lore-discussion
pliant ruin
He probably can tho
He has no reason to lie and we've seen what he's capable of
fierce pagoda
he probably can fix it, but that doesnt mean its not fucked up
fading siren
bro has no morals, why does he care to try and justify his actions to us
He is trying to get on our good side
pliant ruin
He just has no reason to act on it
fading siren
surely
fierce pagoda
he doesnt seem to think so
pliant ruin
he probably can fix it, but that doesnt mean its not fucked up
I mean
Nobody said otherwise
fading siren
He wants so bad to see our clash with yharim
fierce pagoda
i dont think he's gonna be able to see it right?
pliant ruin
Draedon wants to know how yharim dying will affect fishing season
fierce pagoda
if were in the aerie how is he gonna get in
pliant ruin
He dosen't care about the fight itself
stark basalt
Draedon gonna follow us with a recon drone
pliant ruin
He just wants to study the societal implications of yharim dying
stark basalt
Draedon cares about the social and economical state of the world
stark basalt
He just wants to study the societal implications of yharim dying
but he also wants to see the limits of our power
Draedon is a neutral force if anything
fierce pagoda
He seems chill as hell in dreatalk, like he's a good guy
pliant ruin
It's what i said
He wants to know how yharim dying will affect fishing season
stark basalt
Good guys don’t dump waste into the ocean
fading siren
According to the new lore he said he also wants to see our fight
stark basalt
It's what i said
He wants to know how yharim dying will affect fishing season
I second this.
fading siren
He just wants to study the societal implications of yharim dying
But also this
fierce pagoda
since last time i believed Yharim was justified because i thought the lore items were unbiased facts
pliant ruin
He's not a good guy but he's also not a bad guy
He's by definition not assignable to any human morality
fierce pagoda
true, but cant ever let our guard down around him
fading siren
but that’s just an oopsie!
pliant ruin
Dosen't have emotions or a human moral code, he is literally incapable of being good or evil
fierce pagoda
like if dreadon knew he could gain limitless knowledge, but he first has to shoot a child
he would shoot the child
pliant ruin
Yeah
stark basalt
yeah
fierce pagoda
bro does NOT care
fading siren
true, but cant ever let our guard down around him
I’m sure he wouldn’t even flinch if he wanted to study us and decided to cut us in half
fierce pagoda
that's what I'm sayin
fading siren
he would shoot the child
Who wouldn’t tbh, children are annoying
for legal reasons i’m joking
mighty zenith
true
fierce pagoda
Dreadon hacked his account
graceful otter
he probably can fix it, but that doesnt mean its not fucked up
thats the thing
graceful otter
he doesnt see it as fucked up BECAUSE he can fix it
fading siren
Dreadon hacked his account
I did call myself royal engineer, draedon in a server
fierce pagoda
can you really fix the plaguebringer tho
mighty zenith
drae donster, the royal engineer ?
fading siren
Drae Undertale
fierce pagoda
can he fix the trauma he has caused, or played a part in causing
he cant really fix everything he ruined
graceful otter
can you really fix the plaguebringer tho
yes
fading siren
No cause he has no empathy
graceful otter
can he fix the trauma he has caused, or played a part in causing
what trauma
fierce pagoda
he doesnt care, and that's why Dreadon is evil, regardless of his morals
actions speak louder than words amirite
fierce pagoda
what trauma
he played a part in making weapons of mass destruction fr Yharims army
i think those who died as a result of Dreadons doing
and those affected
were traumatized
graceful otter
yea but he didnt cause that
fierce pagoda
I'd say he did
graceful otter
yharim wouldve killed those people regardless
fierce pagoda
And the poor queen bee's who had to leave their hives due to his plague
animal cruelty
scenic olive
never making any Miracle weapon again
pliant ruin
can he fix the trauma he has caused, or played a part in causing
He dosent even comprehend those actions as evil
"Actions are louder than words" dosen't apply here because there's no words to begin with, just action
Draedon literally is incapable of understanding morals or feelings much like how a gun who killed a innocent person can't be "evil" because it's a object with no will
Draedon is quite literally outside of any moral scales that apply to humans
fierce pagoda
ok, this is getting complicated because Dreadon is a robot, so he isnt really anything if we go by that logic
pliant ruin
If he was a being capable of feeling emotion he'd be evil
fierce pagoda
but withing Cal's canonicity is he not a sapient being?
graceful otter
he is sapeint, but he isnt emotive
pliant ruin
But he canonically does not have emotions or morality
fierce pagoda
are there not humans who don't have emotions and stuff
pliant ruin
There's some disorders that make some emotions much reduced or almost absent
Like sociopathy and psychopathy
fierce pagoda
right
fading siren
i had brain damage while making this
Looks like it lacks a bit of lighting but fucking cool regardless
solar wharf
not normal
pliant ruin
They both still have emotions
fading siren
Exo claymore
pliant ruin
They're just
solar wharf
ye but psychopathy is the more less emotional, compared to sociopathy
which could have emotions
fierce pagoda
can i put it like this, Dreadon is not inherently evil, but he has done evil things. and just because he doesnt comprehend thos things as evil, he isnt exempt from justice.
solar wharf
but they are unstable
scenic olive
Looks like it lacks a bit of lighting but fucking cool regardless
me when i dont know how to do highlight :
solar wharf
or like not normal
pliant ruin
Greatly reduced in certain fields
fierce pagoda
does Dreadon know the difference between evil and good
solar wharf
idk i never went too deep onto this topic lol
fading siren
me when i dont know how to do highlight :
Eh me neither lol
fierce pagoda
does he know how emotions work in humans
fading siren
We’ll learn 
pliant ruin
does Dreadon know the difference between evil and good
no
fierce pagoda
does he understand how the concept of morals work, even if he doesnt have them
solar wharf
does Dreadon know the difference between evil and good
its like teaching a dog not to kill ur pet cat, he knows not to do it, he just doesnt understand why
thats draedon
he knows what bad and good is
he just doesnt understand them
pliant ruin
he literally didnt understand to this day why yharim got mad at him for the plague
fierce pagoda
ok thats well put
stark basalt
what we need is lore vc
fierce pagoda
can i put it like this, Dreadon is not inherently evil, but he has done evil thi...
then what about this verdict?
graceful otter
he can only be told what is good or bad, not why good or bad is. essentially, he is incapable of understanding if something would be good or bad, without being told so
solar wharf
he can only be told what is good or bad, not why good or bad is. essentially, he...
^^^
fierce pagoda
If a wild dog goes around attacking people, the dog may not understand that what its doing is bad, but it still warrants getting that dog put down
solar wharf
what we need is lore vc
DAMN!!!
pliant ruin
can i put it like this, Dreadon is not inherently evil, but he has done evil thi...
I don't disagree with this though i don't think anyone would be able to do anything to him lol
civic salmon
Draedon doesn't have morals not because he's incapable of emotion but because he has a pre-set hard-wired drive that is presumably not changeable. Draedon could probably take an ethics class and understand what was going on
solar wharf
If a wild dog goes around attacking people, the dog may not understand that what...
or if you teach a dog that killing is bad, and let say you somehow manage to do that, the dog will stop and would define that as bad but wouldnt understand why
thats draedon
draedon knows bad and good, he simply doesnt understand them
fading siren
he literally didnt understand to this day why yharim got mad at him for the plag...
Babe i just infected an entire biome with nanomachines and let them rip and destroy whatever living organism exists why are you mad at me🥺
fierce pagoda
would dreadon really stop thoug
solar wharf
"ok but why is good, good?"
fierce pagoda
even if you told him
stark basalt
bro is smart enough to make mechs as strong as calamitas, but he cant understand why bee plauge is bad
civic salmon
He could understand Kantien ethics, moral codes, laws, social contract theory, etc. because those don't require the active experience of emotions.
solar wharf
even if you told him
no but let say we did
fierce pagoda
dreadon does what he needs to do, to reach his goal
solar wharf
let say we somehow managed to do that
graceful otter
If a wild dog goes around attacking people, the dog may not understand that what...
the dog gets put down if its unable to be stopped. draedon would stop if told so
graceful otter
draedon would be a wild dog that doesnt actually harm anything
civic salmon
Empathy is not required for morals
solar wharf
thats why i mentioned them both
fierce pagoda
the dog gets put down if its unable to be stopped. draedon would stop if told so
if stopping would get in way of him reaching his goal, would he still stop?
pliant ruin
Draedon can definitely still harm others ill be fr
graceful otter
if stopping would get in way of him reaching his goal, would he still stop?
his goal is research and science, he would just explore elsewhere
graceful otter
even he admits he doesnt know everything
pliant ruin
Nothing to me says that Draedon won't do other harmful experiments in the future if need be
solar wharf
he will
fierce pagoda
lets put the hypothetical to the extreme, lets say dreadon already knows EVERYTHING he can know, and now the only things he doesnt know is locked behind harming things and people
would dreadon harm them?
graceful otter
Nothing to me says that Draedon won't do other harmful experiments in the future...
draedon doesnt do needless harm
pliant ruin
He'd do it
civic salmon
if stopping would get in way of him reaching his goal, would he still stop?
I don't think he would, at least, based on the assumption he is an AI whose driving goal is scientific discovery. Literally everything he does is ultimately to make the "science" number go up
solar wharf
lets put the hypothetical to the extreme, lets say dreadon already knows EVERYTH...
HE
graceful otter
would dreadon harm them?
pliant ruin
draedon doesnt do *needless* harm
Well yeah but it's still harm
solar wharf
just because i punched cheese due to me being allergic to cheese does not make that harm any less....
harmful
graceful otter
just because i punched cheese due to me being allergic to cheese does not make t...
what the fuck whyd you punch cheese
pliant ruin
I don't think Draedon is Evil but he's WHATB WGY WOILD YOU DO THWT
graceful otter
im gonna punch you!!
solar wharf
I DONT KNOW
graceful otter
👊 👊 👊
stark basalt
protect the president
solar wharf
woah...
stark basalt
wow
solar wharf
WOAH
pliant ruin
when did i get Elected
solar wharf
well i mean
if aido deems it so
then ig ur our president now
the lore discussion president
stark basalt
i dont make the rules
solar wharf
whats ur first act president.
stark basalt
duck for mayor
solar wharf
DAMN
pliant ruin
my first act is adding a new worm boss
fierce pagoda
solar wharf
uhm whats the worm boss about
pliant ruin
wulfrum digger
stark basalt
john wulfrum digger
fading siren
Btw being called “you’re far too valuable” from draedon cured my depression
civic salmon
Cant believe John Wulfrum was the good guy all along
stark basalt
draedon's creator was john wulfrum
solar wharf
Btw being called “you’re far too valuable” from draedon cured my depression
when draedate...
stark basalt
cei is cooking with draedate
fierce pagoda
Which Cal character would be a wholesome gamer, and who would be saying slurs in multiplayer games
pliant ruin
Draedon in a anime shoujo uniform, pink blushing cheeks
𝓨𝓸𝓾'𝓻𝓮 𝓽𝓸𝓸 𝓿𝓪𝓵𝓾𝓪𝓫𝓵𝓮
fading siren
I-it’s not like i value you or anything
stark basalt
Draedon canonically has a list of slurs on his computer
solar wharf
hi omni
fading siren
Draedon canonically has a list of slurs on his computer
I have the meme
stark basalt
Omni
fading siren
But i can’t send it
pliant ruin
Which Cal character would be a wholesome gamer, and who would be saying slurs in...
DoG would say slurs
stark basalt
I can’t send it either
fading siren
Cause although my warning is over i’m still warned
stark basalt
I’m innocent
fading siren
fierce pagoda
Yharim would be crazy with it
stark basalt
President cheese is cooking rn
pliant ruin
Permafrost and Amidias dont know any videogames except the good old Super Cataclysm Bros and Legend of Statis
solar wharf
DAMN
fierce pagoda
No Brealor is mario and Statis is peach
fading siren
I’ve heard Legend of Statis, tears of the belt is getting a port for exotendo switch 2
fierce pagoda
was Brealor using silva armor
if so, why is his so much cooler than ours
and why do we need dragonfolly feathers to make it
wheat walrus
silving around
stark basalt
We’re cosplaying as Silva with her remains
stark basalt
Pretty fucking strong
stark basalt
Pretty fucking strong
fading siren
fierce pagoda
are we stronger
fierce pagoda
if we beat Yharim, were probably the 5th strongest being in history
behind zeratros, Fovos, Noxus and Xeroc
wheat walrus
wouldn't Zeratros be equal to Yharim according to devs
fierce pagoda
unless Yhairms stronger than Zeratros
fierce pagoda
in the end, if Noxus ever gets added as a boss
we'll be the 2nd strongest in history
like Gojo
stark basalt
Zeratros and Yharim are probably around the same level
stark basalt
Nah keep it
fierce pagoda
We'll probably be FAR behind Xeroc, even if were stronger than Noxus
if Noxuss ever gets added that is
fading siren
We'll probably be FAR behind Xeroc, even if were stronger than Noxus
Wym, i already passed the test 
stark basalt
I meannnnn
fierce pagoda
do you actually beat the nameless diety in that fight
stark basalt
Fake xeroc
graceful otter
do you actually beat the nameless diety in that fight
no
leaden bridge
Braelor is canonically Olimar
untrue
graceful otter
they kick you out with a message saying "You passed the test." implying nd was only testing you
fierce pagoda
Bro just stole calamity's Xeroc idea lmao
leaden bridge
if any of these things were true calamity would have a pikmin reference
wheat walrus
Nameless Deity is the bane of Calamity powerscaling
leaden bridge
calamity Does Not
fading siren
I like nameless
graceful otter
Nameless Deity is the bane of Calamity powerscaling
xeroc is outversal because he kicks you out of the game
fading siren
They made him be somewhat consistent to the lore
leaden bridge
its true though
fierce pagoda
how come no one has made an unoffical Yharim mode, like with Noxus and Xeroc
wheat walrus
Nameless Deity is the bane of Calamity powerscaling
and most of that being a bane comes from the community thinking that dude is solid canon
fading siren
how come no one has made an unoffical Yharim mode, like with Noxus and Xeroc
fargo
wheat walrus
xeroc is outversal because he kicks you out of the game
👊
leaden bridge
how come no one has made an unoffical Yharim mode, like with Noxus and Xeroc
considering the mess that was Wrath of the Gods when Xeroc/ND started dev we think the caldevs would legitimately just sent you a hitman
fierce pagoda
Feel like thats Drama waiting to be stirred up
leaden bridge
dom isnt making a yharim
fierce pagoda
nah what if some peolpe just made Distortion and shit
stark basalt
I’m gonna make the Yharim mod
cloud ibex
the devs don't like other people making mods that add things they have planned
fading siren
^
stark basalt
(It’s a reskinned EoC)
cloud ibex
WotG is one example but there's also EUC from a while back
fierce pagoda
whats that stand for
fading siren
euc?
cloud ibex
emphatic, untamed calamity
leaden bridge
euc was truly a thing
cloud ibex
the original goozma boss addon
stark basalt
Wait the devs don’t like WotG?
fading siren
Well
wheat walrus
emphatic, untamed calamity
empathic*
fading siren
If it ends up being too similar to what the devs have in mind
cloud ibex
to my knowledge they were a bit annoyed that dom straight up called the bosses xeroc and noxus
leaden bridge
hahahahaahhaahahah
cloud ibex
xeroc already got renamed and i think noxus will be in the next update as well
cloud ibex
hahahahaahhaahahah
do you need to do this
fading siren
emphatic is the correct word
Unless the mod has a typo in which case idk
wheat walrus
emphatic is the correct word
whattafak
rah rah rah rah rah rah
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
fading siren
to my knowledge they were a bit annoyed that dom straight up called the bosses x...
Well yea, i’d be annoyed too
cloud ibex
it's a bit annoying when people are just talking and then suddenly you do that
fading siren
laffin coffin
fierce pagoda
lafn
wheat walrus
it's a bit annoying when people are just talking and then suddenly you do that
I will laff :3
fierce pagoda
lfn
cloud ibex
are you joaquin phoenix joker
stark basalt
Lfn
leaden bridge
yes we are.,.,
stark basalt
Gang at fred
fierce pagoda
were waiting every night
fading siren
Who’s fred
cloud ibex
society
wheat walrus
Gang at fred
five gangs at freddy's
fading siren
You know who’s not laughing? FREDDY FAZBEAR
fierce pagoda
remember when we found out that the mech bosses are fnaf refrence
becuse Dreadon put souls in mechs
exo skeletons if you will
graceful otter
remnant,,,
summer spruce
Guys why does it say stuff in the caption when creating worlds? It says stuff like "incinerating azafure" and "disposing of silva's remains"
cloud ibex
remember when we found out that the mech bosses are fnaf refrence
no i do not remember this
fierce pagoda
making the biomes i presume
wheat walrus
imagine if fnaf movie was about a bunch of enemy gangs meeting up at the freddy fazbear pizzeria and then fighting the shit out of each other until john freddy wakes up and starts devouring them like dog devours gods with the bite of 87
cloud ibex
Guys why does it say stuff in the caption when creating worlds? It says stuff li...
generating the crags and abyss
summer spruce
Ah bet
graceful otter
Guys why does it say stuff in the caption when creating worlds? It says stuff li...
those are the world gen messages when generating those places
cloud ibex
basically flavor text to make it a tiny bit more interesting to read
wheat walrus
a calamity!
summer spruce
imagine if fnaf movie was about a bunch of enemy gangs meeting up at the freddy ...
No
summer spruce
a calamity!
this truly was our calamity
fierce pagoda
I remember when I finally defeated Yharim and Yharim said: "wow, it really was a... Calamity"
fading siren
And they all lived saddily ever after
wheat walrus
five nights at saddies
fierce pagoda
who also remembers when we found out that Polterghast is an undertale refrence
because souls get powerful when put toghether into 1 being
like omega flowey remember that
spring helm
never making any Miracle weapon again
Ark of Miracles when mokkuuu
hello lore chat, the doctor banned me from coffee and now im tired all the time
scenic olive
fading siren
Hi tired all the time
spring helm
it would be cool though mokkuuu
no lore drawing today
so im blowing up calamitas again
haha
anyway
i was thinking about what draedon said when explaining the exo prisms
scenic olive
it would be cool though mokkuuu
miracle weapon are pain in the ass
spring helm
i was thinking about what draedon said when explaining the exo prisms
"not unlike igniting a newborn star"
fading siren
Nuclear fusion
summer spruce
What is mana made of
fading siren
he just said not unlike
deep warren
So.. where exactly is Ilmeris?
fading siren
Maybe the sun isn’t a star in universe
deep warren
Is it the desert above the sunken sea?
spring helm
the sun is not a star in calamity
deep warren
Is that Ilmeris?
spring helm
Is that Ilmeris?
yes
deep warren
Aye ok
graceful otter
Is it the desert above the sunken sea?
no
fading siren
spring helm
really?
fading siren
Sunstarrers
graceful otter
ilmeris was an underground civilisation, much like other civilisations in the cal universe
deep warren
Yeah it was burnt
spring helm
i thought the desert used to be a sea
graceful otter
specifically, it was in the majority of the underground desert, which used to be quite unlike the sunken sea today
deep warren
Well okay so it is more or less the desert but just the underground one
graceful otter
i thought the desert used to be a sea
it wasnt all water
it was an underground water cave system
spring helm
yeah but i thought that the surface was like a beach
graceful otter
yeah but i thought that the surface was like a beach
yea the surface was a desert
under it was w a t e r
deep warren
wack world generation
lol
Surface was desert, underground was Ilmeris, under Ilmeris is sunken sea
spring helm
On the desert: "Man I'm dying of thirst, how can anyone survive in this hell?"
Five meters underground: "We are the fish"
deep warren
Where the hell did the great sand shark run off to anyway
The desert scourge was left alone when Ilmeris was Incinerated
no more great sand shark
so where did the sand shark go?
Sunken sea..?
deep warren
yeah somewhere
Argus is canon now
thats where he went
If only Infernum lore could be official B(
Hey actually maybe that's what the Infernum devs were asking themselves too
Desert scourge stayed but where did great sand shark go?
So i guess infernum devs took that idea and made a whole boss fight about it
but thats not.. canon
So instead lets just say it went to hiding
:)
pliant ruin
If only Infernum lore could be official B(
Brimstone Elemental Cutscene moment
pliant ruin
Desert scourge stayed but where did great sand shark go?
sand
deeper
solar wharf
smh why was he hiding from the scourge
deep warren
i mean yeah why
pliant ruin
i thibk its more that it got too hot for it
solar wharf
i thibk its more that it got too hot for it
so then why did it come up later
pliant ruin
desert scourfe didnt scare it i dont think
pliant ruin
so then why did it come up later
Idk maybe since some time has passed it's not as hot as before
deep warren
ye
deep warren
It's all cryogen's fault dude you know how cold that mf is
we broke it
now desert is colder
good for sand shark
there
lore
or maybe cause the wall of flesh contained some ice souls
essences of eleum
pliant ruin
Desert gets boiled > Sands get too hot for GSS, causing their near extinction > Desert Scourge is more resilient, stays > GSS come back cuz its not as hot but theyre all dead now so it dont rly matter
deep warren
that passed through the desert
deep warren
Desert gets boiled > Sands get too hot for GSS, causing their near extinction > ...
yeah but WHY is it not as hot
Or actually no wait Ilmeris was Incinerated but maybe the heat really did dissipate over time
pliant ruin
if you set a knife on fire its gonna be hot
If you comw back to that knife 3 days later it wont be as hot
deep warren
yep
Must have been some really massive incineration.. not sure how long the desert was considered too hot for great sand shark
Well either way no matter when it happened desert got cold enough
scenic olive
What is mana made of
mana
deep warren
So Brimstone elemental awakening is a mystery is it
I mean were the underworld resources limited?
Azafure took too much now brimstone elemental got mad and Azafure is gone
That's how it probabbly is, maybe the lore here is that the brimstone elemental was so ancient some magic guy chanted "Judge this world in a thousand years" into it's shell imbuing it with brimstone magic. And when the years passed the brimstone elemental saw that Azafure was taking way too much from the underworld so it awakened and got mad
Let's just go with that
spring helm
from what the bestiary implies, it seems that the brimstone elemental was awoken by those who opposed yharim
hasty jay
My headcanon is that brimmy was just taking a nap and got cranky because Azafure wasn’t there when she fell asleep
Like imagine going to bed and waking up to see that ants or whatever have built a whole city in your room
zinc lance
Actually Calamitas is the child of Yharim and the Brimstone Elemental. She got mad because Yharim refused to pay child support, and Yharim's enemies woke her up so she would take all of Yharim's money in the divorce so Yharim could no longer fund the war
mighty zenith
blud's been smoking that fandom zaza 😭
zinc lance
It's some good shit brother join me 
wheat walrus
blud's been smoking that fandom zaza 😭
This is not you Garbo.
deep warren
from what the bestiary implies, it seems that the brimstone elemental was awoken...
yeah ig rebels
u right
hasty jay
how dare you
I made that shit up all by myself thank you very much
spring helm
deep warren
holy moly there is so much lore than i thought there was
Like god damn there is even lore about a rock
mighty zenith
and that rock contains some of the most important lore in the whole story
fading siren
someone posts insane lore
look inside
wires
spring helm
do you guys think the exposed brain and heart are injuries for moon lord or he's just like that?
scenic olive
He probably has organic armor
scenic olive
someone should put this in fandom and call it Exo Schimitar
we do a little trolling
solar wharf
we need an exo rifle...
scenic olive
how would that work
So far Miracle Weapons look like they dont support a gun shape
or at least one that shoot bullets
solar wharf
So far Miracle Weapons look like they dont support a gun shape
the flamethrower one looks pretty much like a gun no?
just place a chamber to ignite gunpoweder
or whatever they use to
shoot out
scenic olive
its a flamethrower
scenic olive
that shoot light
solar wharf
oh u mean like
scenic olive
solar wharf
how would it work as a gun
scenic olive
miracle matter 100% can shape a gun, i assume u mean how would it eben work
why is there no miracle guns then
solar wharf
the same how an exo blade true melee works
scenic olive
can it form into a string
solar wharf
it spins really fast and hits really hard.
scenic olive
Isnt all the material hard
solar wharf
ye, you make the exo yoyo more dense and harder
scenic olive
How would you spin the yoyo without the string
solar wharf
and also miracle matter literally reshapes anything into a superior verison, i dont think it cannot shape a gun
scenic olive
spring helm
the same how an exo blade true melee works
Put the supernova on a stick
solar wharf
How would you spin the yoyo without the string
what says you cant make a strong enough string?
if oracle or whatever which uses auric
exists
why not miracle matter.
scenic olive
Whats the Oracle recipe
eager bluff
if oracle or whatever which uses auric
donor item
scenic olive
Both yoyos from dog and provi
scenic olive
ye but again that implies the game isnt limited to
solar wharf
and even then a gun makes way more sense than a fucking yoyo
scenic olive
Okay how would you reckon would that look
solar wharf
just shoot concentrated bullets of lights like the flamethrower
solar wharf
Okay how would you reckon would that look
im not a designer.
scenic olive
just shoot concentrated bullets of lights like the flamethrower
Then you'd just have a flamethrower
civic salmon
string made of light problem solved
eager bluff
Okay how would you reckon would that look
a chain instead of a string
or a really fuckin thick rope
golden oasis
you guys think i characterize draedon well? (roleplay about calamity mod, in this point he's testing a prototype of the plague)
solar wharf
Then you'd just have a flamethrower
no because its concetrated into a bullet
scenic olive
no because its concetrated into a bullet
okay but what are its concentrating
eager bluff
would have to be plasma in that case
scenic olive
Gel?
solar wharf
whatever miracle matter fucking uses for its power source
scenic olive
Bullets?
eager bluff
would have to be plasma in that case
light is essentially hitscan
solar wharf
what
scenic olive
A gun has to use ammo
solar wharf
it doesnt
scenic olive
Yes it does
eager bluff
A gun has to use ammo
not necessarily
solar wharf
by calamitys definition it doesnt.
spring helm
you guys think i characterize draedon well? (roleplay about calamity mod, in thi...
I’m not sure he’d just throw away a laboratory like that
eager bluff
it depends on if your gun is a laser or not
scenic olive
not necessarily
Whats the point of ranger having 3 subclass then
solar wharf
theres many guns that dont use ammo + if the flamethrower is able to convert gel into literal flaming light, why not something similar for bullets?
solar wharf
Whats the point of ranger having 3 subclass then
what
golden oasis
I’m not sure he’d just throw away a laboratory like that
but he isn't
he's nuking apart of a place and writing it off as if that did occur
eager bluff
it depends on if your gun is a laser or not
if your gun uses lasers then it doesnt need ammo, it just needs electrical charge
spring helm
he's nuking apart of a place and writing it off as if that did occur
Oh I see
scenic olive
I was talking exclusively "Gun" sub class
spring helm
Yeah he’d do that
scenic olive
Which one that uses musket balls as ammunition
golden oasis
you guys think i characterize draedon well? (roleplay about calamity mod, in thi...
(he pulled out a city buster from the fargos mod, a very powerful explosive
solar wharf
Which one that uses musket balls as ammunition
literally, there are guns that exist in terraria that doesnt what
solar wharf
no because ur applying real life definition of a gun into calamity where magical guns exist
and even by irl definition, guns have nothing to do with chambering and shooting a bullet, its moreso about a weapon that can propell any projectile
ur argument makes no sense
and even if we agree to it, what says an exo rifle cant exist?
spring helm
What are you guys even arguing about
solar wharf
hence why "water guns" are considered a toy gun
even tho they dont unironically shoot bullets
solar wharf
What are you guys even arguing about
exo rifle cant exist mokkuu states
scenic olive
solar wharf
what says the energy that miracle matter uses can be used to propel a bullet into insane speeds
and with the gun being built off of miracle matter it can probably withstand it
use godslayer slugs which are probably durable as well
and boom
u got an exo rifle
scenic olive
solar wharf
exo rifle makes more sense than the flamethrower as for a rifle you just need the explosion, you dont need to somehow BEND THE ENERGY INTO A BEAM
you dont even need to concetrate it
u just need to trigger it
with slight control
scenic olive
im just talking ingame definitions of gunner subclass
you get a gun that uses some sort of ammunition
but thats not the problem
solar wharf
which guns that dont use ammo exist in calamity
scenic olive
which guns that dont use ammo exist in calamity
laser rifle uses mana
do you call them gun
solar wharf
what
scenic olive
should i make a miracle gun that uses mana
eager bluff
mana isnt ammo and yes i would call it a magic gun
scenic olive
and even by irl definition, guns have nothing to do with chambering and shooting...
okay by this logic a bow is considered a gun
solar wharf
but a bow isnt propelled by an explosion
thats the difference
"propelled by an explosive force in a chamber"
thats what a gun is
bows dont... do that
u kinda...
pull them back
solar wharf
with the image context right under the message
scenic olive
does a baseball bat count as a gun
solar wharf
i didnt need to write it all out.
i sent the image in the same message
the context was there
i was simply enforcing the idea that
the projectile usually doesnt matter
spring helm
So if I’m getting this right, mokkuuu’s argument is that an exo rifle would just be the photoviscerator again?
solar wharf
no
solar wharf
his argument is that the only way u can make
an exo rifle wrok
is either by not making it work as it cant
or making it another photoviscerator
which is just unture
untrue*
solar wharf
it doesnt even need to not use ammo, u can just make it use ammo by making the gun propel it with miracle matter energy rather than the usual gunpowder
or just do what railguns do but instead of electricity...
miracle matter energy!
now you got a gun that makes sense
scenic olive
the point of having ammo is so it gives extra damage to guns...
solar wharf
how
scenic olive
idk it just doesnt make sense in my head
solar wharf
for miracle matter to output energy
that doesnt make sense to you?
even tho it uses exo prisms...
solar wharf
no one said you did
ur confusing
it
im saying, miracle matter is the one that OUTPUTS the energy
it doesnt INPUT energy
like exo prisms...
scenic olive
but exo prism doesnt need a input to output any energy...
solar wharf
yes
i never said miracle matter needed to input energy?
i said the opposite
miracle matter outputs energy
also this
wheat walrus
bro I'm literally the hunter of miracle mattress
solar wharf
miracle matter clearly isnt limited to 1 form, it just shares similar looks and i assume energy but those can be used differently
scenic olive
okay back to the problem
solar wharf
like heavenly gale exo crystal
solar wharf
i was saying
solar wharf
if miracle matter can output energy that implies it can cause force
if it can cause force that means it can propel
if it can do that
scenic olive
wouldnt that
wheat walrus
amgous
scenic olive
just be another photovicesator
scenic olive
solar wharf
because it wouldnt be a laser?
scenic olive
yeah but its the same type of energy
scenic olive
just different step
solar wharf
have you seen exo blade???
solar wharf
yes but they are literally just a blade shaped energy of whatever the fuck the flamethrower uses
?
on the right click i mean
scenic olive
solar wharf
miracle matter would obviously use the same energy mokkuu
why wouldnt it?
it would be more confusing if it didnt
scenic olive
yeah but
solar wharf
you can clearly see its the same energy
just with swords shooting out
as i said
it doesnt matter if the energy is the same
scenic olive
like its just another photovicesator with extra steps
spring helm
Holy shit
solar wharf
its the process that matter
solar wharf
like its just another photovicesator with extra steps
how is exoblade not difference then.
different*
scenic olive
how is exoblade not difference then.
Exoblade doesnt use ammo
solar wharf
so?
wheat walrus
shreds your corporeal form
solar wharf
ammo doesnt change the gameplay
scenic olive
scenic olive
yeah
solar wharf
i think ur not imagining fully
heavenly gale couldv easily ended the same as photovicerator
it didnt because the devs went creative with it
made its arrows do more than just be projectiles
why cant the same be done for a gun
scenic olive
wdym more than just be projectiles
it does exactly what a daedalus stormbow can do
spawn projectiles from the sky
solar wharf
and how does that matter? as i said
it isnt just projectiles
theres a twist onto it
scenic olive
and how does that matter? as i said
miraculous
solar wharf
ur assuming that
if an exo gun does get added
the only thing it would be doing
is just shooting bullets
which if that happens then that really isnt the exo gun's concept fault
rather just, they didnt really think it through
scenic olive
okay lemme just put this one up theres probably a reason why there hasnt been any Exo Gun that have been made
solar wharf
i assume the reason is
theres too many exo ranged weaponry
which is understandable
scenic olive
isnt there like just two
scenic olive
thats too many??
scenic olive
what
solar wharf
oh
it is
WHAT
I WAS NEVER TOLD IT EXISTED
ok but thats beside the point
every other class has only 1 exo weapon
if the next update just adds another ranged weapon
scenic olive
also Ranger has 3 exo weapons actually
solar wharf
how is this fair
ranged has 3
oh well now 4
what even is the 3rd one?
oh
the cannon
i remember now
scenic olive
the cannon
spring helm
Melee has 2 now
solar wharf
4 ranged exo weapons is too much when every other class has 1 or 2
scenic olive
i assume the reason is
my guts telling me that its because there has been nobody that tried to actually design it
scenic olive
2 melee
solar wharf
whats the 2nd oen?
scenic olive
Excalibur
solar wharf
does that REALLY count man
it uses ashes of annihilation
fuck that shit
its not catergorized under here for some reason either
scenic olive
it doesnt look like a miracle weapon for now
probably waiting for someone to resprite it
so it does have that goofy miracle weapon feels to it
spring helm
scenic olive
back to my problem
spring helm
It’s right there
scenic olive
miracle gun probably wont be a thing for sometime
solar wharf
i mean im not denying that, im just denying the statement that it cant work or it would be a photovicercator 2.0
because if that happens thats the executions fault not the concept
scenic olive
because of designing it so that it doesnt become another photovicerator
is hard
i dont think anyone could come up with a solid design
just imagining what it looks like hurts my head
spring helm
Could be a slow shooting railgun
solar wharf
you could always just make it look more like a specific gun than an AR which is what photovicer looks like
scenic olive
no worm bosses in endgame
solar wharf
i mean theres always snipers
scenic olive
railgun is good because of its piercing
spring helm
but who would use it
Brother that’s half the weapons in the game
solar wharf
u could even base it off
scenic olive
scenic olive
you could always just make it look more like a specific gun than an AR which is ...
the problem is the miracle weapons all look goofy as fuck
solar wharf
so then make that gun look goofy/
spring helm
):<
scenic olive
and you cant just do that with guns
spring helm
I like that goofiness
solar wharf
yes you can
scenic olive
how
solar wharf
i cant draw so
solar wharf
i think ur just confusing bulky with goofy, look at the cannon for example
scenic olive
what do you thing resembles of
solar wharf
claymore
scenic olive
what kind of unholy claymore ur talking about
i meant a real weapon in the real world
zinc lance
Zweihander is better, don’t at me
solar wharf
but you can see the bodyplan
neat tinsel
Military tank vs Ravager, who’s winning
scenic olive
Look even Photovicerator doesnt look anything remotely close to a flamethrower
scenic olive
they have this alien look
scenic olive
kind of
solar wharf
they have this alien look
yes but they are heavily inspired by said weapons
scenic olive
out of human design
solar wharf
if i show this to a guy who never touched calamity he would be able to tell
easily at that too
i dont see why a gun cant follow that?
scenic olive
solar wharf
make it look more weird but still has a base of a gun
scenic olive
okay you tell that guy now to design the exogun now
solar wharf
which guy
scenic olive
idk the one you said he would be able to tell
maybe he can come up with something
solar wharf
assuming hes an actual designer i dont see why he wouldnt be able to?
solar wharf
i mean by definition i assume so?
scenic olive
or do they just look like that because thats what they look like
scenic olive
you cant build a car with the shape of a bicycle
scenic olive
they look weird because thats how theyre meant to look, if you made them any different they would not work
solar wharf
you cant build a car with the shape of a bicycle
scenic olive
fair point
solar wharf
they look weird because thats how theyre meant to look, if you made them any dif...
ye but they all follow a certain blueprint, it isnt truly random
they still gotta have this... woody crystal shape
scenic olive
no no this wasnt about the gun anymore
solar wharf
well material
they also gotta keep faithful to their class
exoblade BARELY looks like a claymore but if you squint very hard you can see it
scenic olive
this is very important to designing a miracle weapon
scenic olive
exoblade BARELY looks like a claymore but if you squint very hard you can see it
for me it looks like a scythe or a hookblade that fused to its base
solar wharf
ye i can also see that
neat tinsel
Military tank vs Ravager, who’s winning
scenic olive
nothing like claymore though
solar wharf
its mostly this blade that made me think
scenic olive
Military tank vs Ravager, who’s winning
ravager
solar wharf
its just a bent claymore
solar wharf
as i said
you gotta squint
REALLY
hard
to see it
not literally btw, i assume you know what i mean
scenic olive
solar wharf
ok thats a normal ass claymore
scenic olive
solar wharf
this doesnt look anything like that claymore
yet calamity considers it one
why? because it has similarilty.
thats what i think of the exoblade
if u truly cherrypick
you can see simirality
scenic olive
its kind of funny
solar wharf
i cant spell its 3 am
scenic olive
the definition of claymore
is two edged broad sword
so
the Enthropic Claymore
shouldve been Enthropic Machete
civic salmon
Gonna preface this by saying I know nothing about Wrath of the Gods other than it being a fan mod based on the old Calamity lore, but, recognizing that: one thing I like about their design for Nameless Deity is the emphasis on arms/hands. That would actually fit the canon Calamity Xeroc really well IMO, because it emphasizes how he was human, the first human to claim godhood, and how hands can be used to represent the ingenuity and uniqueness of humans (since yknow, opposable thumbs let us make/use tools, the rest is history.) There's also the double-reading of hands representing possession/ownership, which would be closer to Yharim's interpretation of Xeroc as one who grasped for power no matter the consequences.
fierce pagoda
He has huge hands so he can pet dogs and cats
scenic olive
civic salmon
(This observation brought to you by the SCP Admonition canon, where the eldritch horror Fifthist god is actually a god of humanity, represented by a five-fingered hand)
scenic olive
jokes on you im immune to level 5+ cognitohazards
oh fuck i responded after 5 minutes
guys i think the scp foundation are coming for me
i can see the pink light though
civic salmon
ok
sinful adder
Do we actually know if Xeroc was a human?
spring helm
Well he was mortal
And a monk
That’s about all we know
We know from Silva that non-human sentients could become gods
civic salmon
Do we actually know if Xeroc was a human?
The concept art album shows he was at the very least humanoid, and his hands (heh) in that image look pretty human to me
sinful adder
The concept art album shows he was at the very least humanoid, and his hands (he...
I see, then who knows
jaunty wraith
So I noticed that the "first dryads vines" let you open the chests in the abyss after you beat skeletron
With the first dryad being Silva, does that mean she has some connection to skeletron and the dungeon or is that just a non canon progression quirk?
spring helm
likely a game progression thing, but we can always attach a lore reason retroactively
Skeletron scares the hell out of Silva, being an affront to life as it is a floating skeleton, so when we destroy it she gives us a reward
jaunty wraith
Maybe Silva doesn't like the undead, as it goes completely against the cycle of life
boreal zinc
I just realized that the Atom Splitter can cut through timelines and dimensions in its tooltip
sinful adder
it might be a donator item and thus non canon
spring helm
or just don't take the tooltips literally
the Supernova tooltips says that stealth strikes shake the foundation of reality
boreal zinc
huh
wheat walrus
I just realized that the Atom Splitter can cut through timelines and dimensions ...
I take all the tooltips as merely flavor texts unless I am given more evidence that they're not, like being actually addressed outside of them
hushed geyser
real silo
Metastasis image
formal nymph
Am I missing something as to why Ceaseless Void and the Dark Energy don’t have bestiary entries right now?
spring helm
not a creature is what i would say