providence on the other hand
#lore-discussion
pliant ruin
she just wants to kill everyone
nobody controlling her or anything. she just wants to commit omnicide
analog spear
Are we basing this off of the new lore?
pliant ruin
yes
stuck bane
Are we basing this off of the new lore?
Yes
pliant ruin
..why wouldn't we
analog spear
The new lore is a tad bit confusing
stuck bane
I’m not fully caught up either but I know some stuff
analog spear
Because it retconnes so much
pliant ruin
in-game presentation of lore is not so good yeah but the lore itself is alot less confusing than old lore imo
analog spear
For example, Yharim wasn’t raised in the Jungle anymore, but he was still burned in hell along with Yharon
spring helm
"I'm going to attack the Terrarian"
"Oh no I got my ass beat."
"Can I live at your house for free?"
stuck bane
Because it retconnes so much
I think the new lore is a lot cleaner but there some things from the old lore I liked
analog spear
Who burned him??
analog spear
In the old lore, the jungle council does
pliant ruin
the tyrant god/god followers who he denied
analog spear
Which god did the followers follow?
spring helm
if you look at the Yharon lore item, it'll tell you that the gods wanted Yharim to absorb Yharon's soul and ascend to be their God-King
stuck bane
Which god did the followers follow?
Polytheistic probably
analog spear
I know about that, I just beat Yharon and analyzed his lore item
pliant ruin
cuz they're most likely dead now
(it's implied that that those gods would turn into the corruption of today and are the first gods yharim ever killed)
stuck bane
Wait in the new lore yharon still hatched from lava right?
spring helm
yes
analog spear
Yes
analog spear
Yeah it’s what introduced both Yharim and Yharon as prominent characters in the lore
stuck bane
I’m making my way through the lore doc
pliant ruin
providence is like
earnest flare
noxus when the
pliant ruin
so evil that it's like. the one god you look at and go
yeah you know what. yharim you can kill this one go at it
spring helm
noxus when the
(we dont know he exists yet shhhh)
earnest flare
he did but prov used the genius tactic of running
pliant ruin
provi has the genius tactic of
shows up
kills hundreds of infantry
disappears
refuses to elaborate
earnest flare
(we dont know he exists yet shhhh)
idk man he has like 4 and a half minutes worth of lore
stuck bane
idk man he has like 4 and a half minutes worth of lore
Less
stuck bane
🗿
spring helm
"Should I attack this guy and run away immediately after, which is how I survived through Yharim's Crusade?
Nah it's just one guy, I can take him."
5 minutes later
earnest flare
me when the guy who lurks in the shadows is very hard to come by
pliant ruin
but yeah provi i'd say
spring helm
the shadows
pliant ruin
is the current biggest global threat besides maybe noxus but we dont know much about noxus rn
earnest flare
you dont just get loredumped noxus lore like with any other character...
earnest flare
you have to go out of your way to find quotes hinting at something he could be involved in
spring helm
just like the name fovos, noxus is only known from outside game info
pliant ruin
yharim: would definitely be a bigger threat individually, but his entire army is gone
earnest flare
just like the name fovos, noxus is only known from outside game info
and?
spring helm
yharim: would definitely be a bigger threat individually, *but* his entire army ...
he's also depressed and old so no problems there
stuck bane
So why did yharim go into hiding I forgor
pliant ruin
devourer: again, just one guy. he's strong as hell but it dosen't seem like he's out for blood constantly, his plan seems more elaborate for that
pliant ruin
and uhh... that's kind of it, honestly
earnest flare
i mean i dont think that matters much
pliant ruin
providence on the other hand
not only is she incredibly powerful still, even if much less than yharim and a bit less than DoG
but she has massive influence
earnest flare
the guy who basically nobody knows a thing about being not mentioned by name
spring helm
providence on the other hand
🪨 🔥 💢
earnest flare
it makes sense
pliant ruin
like this bitch has a entire cult, supposedly all around the world
spring helm
it makes sense
fair enough he's a mystery to speculate about rn
pliant ruin
DoG and Yharim are just one strong guy, Providence is one strong guy with basically a worldwide army serving her
spring helm
i think her army's gone
spring helm
Why did yharim go into hiding
everyone left
pliant ruin
so i think killing her would basically get rid of the world's biggest current threat except probably noxus
spring helm
and then he got his ass beat by braelor and statis
stuck bane
everyone left
Ah
pliant ruin
i think her army's gone
i'd imagine canonically after we kill her it dies out
earnest flare
fair enough he's a mystery to speculate about rn
and thats what makes his lore so alluring
the mystery of it all
honestly i think having to scavenge the farthest reaches of the game for lore has created quite a few of these characters that are insanely popular but just arent in game gaster
pliant ruin
cuz like
most of provi followers
sacrifice themselves to turn into profaned monsters
so with provi dying their powers would probably fade out
and even for the ones who stayed as humans
throughout the course of time she'd be forgotten and the cult would likely die out or atleast be much, much smaller and less influential
stuck bane
and thats what makes his lore so alluring
the mystery of it all
honestly i thin...
I want, more scavenging for lore and finding secrets rather than beating a boss and having the lore handed to you. That’s ok sometimes but It would be cool for someone like noxus
pliant ruin
I want, more scavenging for lore and finding secrets rather than beating a boss ...
that's being changed
spring helm
read bestiary
earnest flare
I want, more scavenging for lore and finding secrets rather than beating a boss ...
oh man imagine if noxus lore was exactly like that
spring helm
get on your hand and knees and ask draedon to drip feed you lore
earnest flare
unfortunately in the nomon lore item yharim just tells you everything about noxus
stuck bane
And not that either
earnest flare
sadly
spring helm
piss him off by calling Ares "Super Skeletron Primus"
earnest flare
Skeletron Gamma
spring helm
"I will revoke your forge privelages if you keep calling them that"
stuck bane
I want to go around the world, IN POST MOONLORD. Going on a treasure hunt for K N O W L E D G E
earnest flare
The Obliterator
yoyo real
pliant ruin
The problem is that it's kind of hard to do that in terraria
terrarian isn't built for lore
stuck bane
calamity is
spring helm
they could do what the Remnants mod kinda does and have like, diary entries or something scattered throughout the world
stuck bane
hollow knight
YES, exactly what hollow knight does
pliant ruin
if a player sees a cool structure in terraria
stuck bane
That would be sick
earnest flare
draedon when i call his magnum opera "skeletron gamma" "the obliterator" and "the duo"
spring helm
oh cool! loot!
make the players pass a lore quiz to fight the bosses
pliant ruin
the best way to do lore in a game like terraria imo
is how calamity is doing it more recently
w things like
draedon dialogue and logs
and iirc there'll be more similar systems for other characters in the future like permafrost and calamitas
stuck bane
they 99% won't care about any lore implications
But then the people who do care about the lore analyze every single pixel in the mod. People like matpat
earnest flare
draedon when i call his magnum opera "skeletron gamma" "the obliterator" and "th...
ok wait fuck skeletron gamma sounds good
pliant ruin
But then the people who do care about the lore analyze every single pixel in the...
yeah but matpat does it cuz thats his job
or well
was
stuck bane
: (
spring helm
RIP MatPat for real, an og 🙏
pliant ruin
no hate here but being for real
spring helm
they didnt have to do my gamer like that
stuck bane
A moment of silence
pliant ruin
70% of matpats theories don't make much sense from a logical standpoint, he does it because it's his job and he's gotta make money
again
this isn't hating
it's just being real here
specially cuz
spring helm
70% of matpats theories don't make much sense from a logical standpoint, he does...
it's fun to listen to his unhinged ranting
pliant ruin
he quit recently
pliant ruin
i can only imagine that making theories he probably didn't have passion for anymore didn't help too much
pliant ruin
it's fun to listen to his unhinged ranting
matpats vids r fun ye
stuck bane
Some of his theories are logical, but not all
pliant ruin
some of them r actually pretty believable while others r just insane but his style of narrating makes them very asppealing
but anyways terraria, as a sandbox rpg with very little support for storybuilding is absolutely terrible for narrating stories
and it's crazy how calamity manages to even do that
having nonlinear storytellingg like in HK or metroid would be. basically impossible the way i see it
the only way i can see it working in terraria would be in a custom map
but i am glad they're changing the boss lore drops cuz. i dont like those.
stuck bane
Nah but you could just find lore items around the world, like underground, in planetoids, in the abyss.
Or just like in a chest
Even
pliant ruin
idk i dont like lore items too much
stuck bane
I think they should change them
pliant ruin
they feel like a rather... lackluster way to tell lore, i feel
pliant ruin
having tooltips on items for additional worldbuilding like w/ the sea remains weapons is a very nice touch
stuck bane
It shouldn’t be the main source for storytelling
pliant ruin
on the other hand, having items specifically made to tell important lore just
feels rather bland and non-cinematic
stuck bane
having tooltips on items for additional worldbuilding like w/ the sea remains we...
Oh heck yeah
pliant ruin
i much prefer the way they're heading for currently with other dedicated lore-obtaining methods like arsenal labs and draedon dialogue
stuck bane
I think boss lore items can stay. But they shouldn’t be the main source for storytelling. They should just be for a small amount of background knowledge of the boss you just fought
forest knot
I typed in “Thanatos wallpaper” and got this, it looks nothing like Thanatos or does it?
pliant ruin
Uhhh i think that's destroyer fanart
forest knot
It looks more like a destroyer mk2
stuck bane
I typed in “Thanatos wallpaper” and got this, it looks nothing like Thanatos or ...
It does but it doesn’t
pliant ruin
Yeah i'm p sure that's the destroyer
reminds me of how people would use eater of worlds fanart to represent DoG for the longest time
this one
forest knot
Lmao
stuck bane
I think boss lore items can stay. But they shouldn’t be the main source for stor...
But this is my closing statement
stuck bane
Eater of gods sounds so weird
stuck bane
Diety consumer
forest knot
I tricked chatgpt into making Artemis and Apollo
spring helm
who is that fighting them
pliant ruin
it sounds like bootleg DoG 😭
spring helm
it sounds like bootleg DoG 😭
noxus first attempt at making DoG
stuck bane
I tricked chatgpt into making Artemis and Apollo
Why does that remind me of MODOK
forest knot
who is that fighting them
I specified “a man with a gun(ranger) and a man with a magic sword(melee)
stuck bane
Hold up
floral nymph
the real question is why we make the goofy god eater into a fishing rod
stuck bane
Artemis has legs
stuck bane
But why does Artemis have legs?? That is a crime
pliant ruin
because its ai art it sucks
forest knot
Idk
pliant ruin
forest knot
Yeah
forest knot
because its ai art it sucks
That
pliant ruin
goodnight
forest knot
the real question is why we make the goofy god eater into a fishing rod
Devour of Cods moment?
forest knot
So goodbye y’all
Sweet dreams
Winnie the Pooh: “Astral Infection”
Fancy Winnie the Pooh: “Starborne Illness”
fierce blaze
I tricked chatgpt into making Artemis and Apollo
You should try the prompt description on an image generator AI instead, it might make something that resembles Artemis and Apollo more
cloud ibex
Uhhh i think that's destroyer fanart
nah pretty sure that's t hanos
lone osprey
What new to the lore? I haven't played the mod in around a year.
pliant ruin
there's a pinned documment
cloud ibex
Zeratros has been removed from the cycle of samsara his soul will not be reincarnated
mighty zenith
skill issue
humble fog
Zeratros has been removed from the cycle of samsara his soul will not be reincar...
Samsara is a bad thing yk that right
The entire goal is escaping it
cloud ibex
I’m aware
humble fog
Ig that was more for garbo
cloud ibex
Further evidence that Xeroc’s ascension was a good thing
He wasn’t just a dragon monk, he was also Buddhist
He just wanted to help zeratros escape the cycle
real silo
how nice of him
cosmic zenith
sinful adder
Cool reference but also Buddhism and this kind of thing are hella unbased and the true Nirvana is the state of acceptance and happiness with your existence achieved in life, and an eternal cycle would be an ultimate blessing rather than a curse to escape.
But that's just my opinion
humble fog
Who tf wants to live through learning social skills again and again
sinful adder
You wouldn't have to
humble fog
Your soul would
sinful adder
This depends on the specific rules
humble fog
Tru there’s an entire sect of buddhism that believes in nirvana just from chanting this one phrase
sinful adder
But anyways, rather than working to stop existing and reach some legendary paradise of non-existence, work to make the existence you have paradise
humble fog
See that’s just kinda luck tho
sinful adder
If you had a cycle as the Buddhists thought, then it wouldn't be. Also, this isn't just about yourself the way I see it, but about helping others
final dust
Is calamitas actually aero-ace or is that a head-cannon
humble fog
Is calamitas actually aero-ace or is that a head-cannon
It’s a headcanon of all the devs
Aero ace is crazy tho
She is not the pilot ever
cloud ibex
There’s no real reason to add it anywhere in-game but it’s practically canon
humble fog
There’s no real reason to add it anywhere in-game but it’s practically canon
She could allude to it in a dialogue or two
Like cirrus being gay
cloud ibex
Though I can imagine something like a happiness quote where she mentions not being interested in a relationship
final dust
A line in game during a party event
She says
If anyone asks to dance with me, I’ll burn their hats off
It smt
humble fog
Though I can imagine something like a happiness quote where she mentions not bei...
Don’t worry nobody is finding her in the house I built
cloud ibex
Yea but that’s you
final dust
Yea she definitely aero and probably ace
cloud ibex
Normal players will probably put her in a normal house
humble fog
Normal players will probably put her in a normal house
I mean I doubt it
Most will do jail cells like all other npcs
pliant ruin
i'll put her in a normal house
final dust
If anyone asks to dance with me, I’ll burn their hats off
That actually never occurred to me
pliant ruin
cuz i love her (platonically) (she's oomfie)
cloud ibex
Most will do jail cells like all other npcs
By terraria player standards that’s a normal house
final dust
By terraria player standards that’s a normal house
But hey, free housing (unless tax collector)
pliant ruin
i'd probably put her in the ice biome with permafrost tbh
final dust
Awkward
pliant ruin
thats her dad
final dust
Literally if you put her with any npc, it’ll be awkward
pliant ruin
thats her dad
final dust
Permafrost is cal’s dad?
mighty zenith
like splinter to the ninja turtles basically
final dust
Move her with amidas
“You burned down my kingdom”
Move her with permafrost
“You trapped me in an ice cube”
pliant ruin
Move her with amidas
“You burned down my kingdom”
Move her with permafrost
“You ...
Amidias actually seems to have
forgiven her pretty much
lol
pliant ruin
and i doubt that'd be how perma would react
it rly dosen't seem like cal and perma's confrontation was as simple as
final dust
I guess
pliant ruin
calamitas froze her dad
final dust
Like
cloud ibex
forgiven her pretty much
I feel like cal would still feel bad about it
pliant ruin
i personally headcanon that perma let her do it so she could go back to yharim and go ''yeah i did the task" while also sparing him
final dust
Given enough time the grudge will go away
pliant ruin
I feel like cal would still feel bad about it
no yeah
cal 100% feels bad for it
but amidias at the very least does not antagonize her
pliant ruin
Given enough time the grudge will go away
i don't think there'd be a grudge to begin with
cloud ibex
“I’m sorry for boiling your kingdom”
“My sister in Tyrian I asked if you wanted some decorative corals to put in your windowsill”
pliant ruin
canon interaction
final dust
i don't think there'd be a grudge to begin with
Idk about you but
I’d be pretty pissed if some girl showed up alongside some dragon king
pliant ruin
that's his daughter
pliant ruin
who froze him to spare him from being killed
pliant ruin
Kingdom
a girl who was manipulated into doing it when she was a kid
it's understadable why he wouldn't forgive her
but he did and that's also perfectly understandable, specially considering amidias is generally a peaceful and forgiving person
pliant ruin
yharim is right there
providence is right there
noxus is probably also right there we don't know anything about it but it's probably fucked up
final dust
Ok ok
cloud ibex
The uncaring cruelty of the universe when they undying human (ilmerian?) spirit walks into the room
humble fog
but amidias at the very least does not antagonize her
Amidias is so fake for this
final dust
Spoken too soon on my part then
humble fog
At least insult her a little
pliant ruin
Draedon isn't really bad i'd say
He's not good either
he's just. neutral. like the very perfect definition of neutral
real silo
Noble goal but terrible ethics
pliant ruin
he's a robot, he has no emotions
he dosen't do things, good or bad, due to morality
humble fog
Cheese you’re clearly a bee hater
pliant ruin
Noble goal but terrible ethics
wouldn't even say this tbh
humble fog
Noble goal but terrible ethics
Ah yes nukes the noblest of goals
pliant ruin
it's not that his ethics are terrible
it's that he has none on the first place
He objectively cannot be good, but also cannot be bad
pliant ruin
yeah but like
real silo
His goal is still the advancement of science
cloud ibex
His goal is still the advancement of science
More evidence that Draedon is a factorio player
cloud ibex
Bros just developing his megabase
pliant ruin
the person who shot thegun probably is though
real silo
Making a nuke and curing cancer is both advancements of science
humble fog
More evidence that Draedon is a factorio player
That’s actually what’s running on all the computers in the labs
pliant ruin
dosen't have, emotions, or morals, or anything that'd make him human
cloud ibex
No the labs are doing research
cloud ibex
Probably mining productivity that seems like a pretty sensible choice
pliant ruin
he has no emotions
humble fog
the gun isnt evil
Depends on the gun
real silo
No will to brea
pliant ruin
he is incapable of acnowledging things as ''good" or "evil"
cloud ibex
Maybe some bot speed too
final dust
he has no emotions
He laughs
pliant ruin
he's just following his code
final dust
He literally laughs
pliant ruin
???/ where
pliant ruin
the what
delicate jacinth
With exos
pliant ruin
real silo
I thought that was ares' laugh
cloud ibex
Nah it’s his
final dust
He finds entertainment in you fighting shit
real silo
Yeeyee ass laugh
cloud ibex
Ares laughs during the blender but I don’t think he has a dedicated laugh sound effect
mighty zenith
btw speaking of i fucking love ares' laugh
humble fog
He finds entertainment in you fighting shit
Gotta do the gladiator thing
final dust
Also to what extent is DoG subservient to noxus
cloud ibex
The blender should play that one baby laugh sound effect
pliant ruin
https://youtu.be/NhznKqrwGQs?si=fX_tWO2q0qEcw2jB
when does he even do that
cuz that
does NOT sound like a laugh
and even then
he canonically has no emotions
pliant ruin
Also to what extent is DoG subservient to noxus
we don't know
real silo
The blender should play that one baby laugh sound effect
Ares should say heheheha
real silo
Noxus is just the scrapped voidling 
final dust
Why so many ror2
cloud ibex
The blender should play that one baby laugh sound effect
Thinking about it now imagine if Skeletron prime did that thing that one lethal company robot enemy does where it plays distorted baby sound effects
pliant ruin
skeletron prime would say slurs
final dust
Could primordial worm solo noxus or xeroc
pliant ruin
look at him he's homopohibc
pliant ruin
Could primordial worm solo noxus or xeroc
no
final dust
Wyrm
pliant ruin
primordial wyrm would die in 3 second toxeroc
real silo
Me when the loyal arsonist souls get put into a machine that makes baby sounds
Wyrm would get turned into a pretzel
final dust
Sad
pliant ruin
primordial wyrm is like
on the same level of strenght as the old duke
its just
much stronger
final dust
What
pliant ruin
cuz silva blessed it
final dust
Oh
mighty zenith
jared and old duke are probably of a similar age
cloud ibex
Jared and OD playing scrabble together while complaining about dragonfollies
real silo
mfw pw gets immortality and super strength from her blessing while we only get 7 seconds of invulnerability per life
final dust
To be fair
Silva didn’t like
Bless us the same way
Cus we just
Took her flesh
Alongside some
Metals and ascendant spirit essence
And wore it
Also total calamity Silva
buoyant inlet
Jared and OD playing scrabble together while complaining about dragonfollies
Old men roommates
scenic olive
mfw pw gets immortality and super strength from her blessing while we only get 7...
7 seconds of not being able to die is pretty good
you can get blasted by a rocket launcher and still be alive
real silo
Yeah but PW gets what is essentially a huge buff to every stat and stops aging
Once those 7 seconds run out you're a basic man
strong notch
Once those 7 seconds run out you're a basic man
How is terrarian basic in any sense
real silo
By that I mean you're basically back to being not blessed by silva
And yes I am ignoring the armor's other stats
pliant ruin
hey do y'all think statis is a summoner
alot of his associated items are summoner items
solar wharf
How is terrarian basic in any sense
its headcanon
its up to ur oc
ur playthrough
like if urs was just a normal human that was able to overcome his limitations via sheer skill and inventions
then thats viable
solar wharf
alot of his associated items are summoner items
wasnt he advertised as rogue/
pliant ruin
for most of this time i was under the assumption statis would be a rogue cuz
ninja
n stuff
but like
all of his acessories are either mobility or summoner things
pliant ruin
wasnt he advertised as rogue/
i don't think so?
he was called a ninja
but i don't recall him ever being directly called a rogue
solar wharf
i mean, a ninja summoner can and does seem cool
strong notch
alot of his associated items are summoner items
To me he feels more like a rogue because of ninja statis belt
pliant ruin
i mean
the ninja statis belt dosen't actually have any rogue benefits
it's just a movement acessory
on the other hand
scenic olive
Statis void sash when they changed it to statis curse
solar wharf
i mean
yharim: melee
calamitas: mage
draedon: summoner
statis: rogue/summoner
braelor: melee
thats what i always thought of
strong notch
Statis should be rogue to fill the gap
pliant ruin
tbh i dont think draedon would fit as a summoner or any conventional class
cuz like
he dont fight
he just gets his guys to fight you
solar wharf
ye but most of his style is to make inventions to fight for him
pliant ruin
it technically could be seen as ''summoning" but i think that's kind of reaching
solar wharf
thats summoner
pliant ruin
specially cuz
solar wharf
like ares exo skeleton
solar wharf
it technically could be seen as ''summoning" but i think that's kind of reaching
it isnt
a lot of items already do that
solar wharf
ares exoskeleton and the remote control thingy
scenic olive
it technically could be seen as ''summoning" but i think that's kind of reaching
But all of his employees are robots...
solar wharf
cuz she summons things
ye but again
shes focused on magic
draedon can be a ranger if he wants but he doesnt
pliant ruin
i wouldn't consider draedon as a summoner cuz to me to be a summoner you have to like, summon things
dradedon don't do that
solar wharf
most of his focuses on something similar to summoner
pliant ruin
he just has big ass robots fight for him
solar wharf
i wouldn't consider draedon as a summoner cuz to me to be a summoner you have to...
so ares exoskeleton isnt a summoner weapon?
pliant ruin
i just think he dosen't count as any of the main classes
solar wharf
the thanatos remote control thingy that the player get to drop a literal turret from the sky
strong notch
It means Draedon as in whole
solar wharf
isnt a summon weapon
pliant ruin
yeah but those r like, the exceptions to the rule
solar wharf
i think calamity makes it clear that machines are "summons"
pliant ruin
almost every other summon weapon involves u literally summoning things
solar wharf
ye but if they are clearly summons then why not draedon
strong notch
Just because Ares has ranged weapons it doesn't mean Draedon is a ranger
solar wharf
ur confusing it oneshotted
pliant ruin
i just wouldnt count draedon getting things to fight for him as summoning
solar wharf
cheese is saying, building and using machines doesnt classify as summoner class, even tho we have summoner weapons
that do exactly like that
pliant ruin
just dosent have that vibe to me
mighty zenith
laser cannons apparently count as summons
strong notch
Then what would it classify as
pliant ruin
if he literally summoned little minions mid-fight i'd count it but idk
pliant ruin
Then what would it classify as
i just don't think it classifies as anything
solar wharf
laser cannons apparently count as summons
ares exoskeleton is entirely a summoner weapon, same goes for the thanatos remote sentry
pliant ruin
it's not like ur fighting draedon as he summons them even
they're just what ur fighting in the first place
mighty zenith
also mounted scanner
solar wharf
cheese i think ur taking summoner too far
i can make the same argument
"RANGED??? WHY IS ROGUE NOT A RANGER THEN?"
"WHY IS NON TRUE MELEE NOT RANGER?"
ur taking the word too far
pliant ruin
i'm not talking about the literal definition of the clas
draedon just dosen't give summoner vibes to me
i dont fw it
mighty zenith
draedon is unconventional but he's the closest to a summoner out of all the classes
solar wharf
draedon might not limited to summoner that doesnt make the fact that his prefered fighting style is literally the same as summoner?
pliant ruin
yeah he's closest to summoner but i still wouldn't call him a summoner
solar wharf
cheese, when we place a class on a character, we are never saying the character is limited to it
strong notch
What doesn't make him fit definition of summoner?
solar wharf
draedon can easily be a ranger if he wanted to
solar wharf
but he prefers his fights literally the same as summoner
strong notch
draedon can easily be a ranger if he wanted to
He is a mix between summoner and ranger in gfb tho
pliant ruin
i don't see him as a summoner or even any other class for that matter
mighty zenith
if he fought you directly *while* having minions i'd probably count
gfb 
solar wharf
if he fought you directly *while* having minions i'd probably count
so if i dont whip my enemies and simply dodge and let my summons do the work
i am not a summoner?
mighty zenith
thats fair
solar wharf
idk, i think basing it off of vibes dont work for me but sure
he also doesnt
give me the vibes of a summoner
but i mean he literally fights like one
i just dont see why he wouldnt be one without just saying "i dont like it lol"
pliant ruin
cuz i mean
there isnt any
objectivity to be had here
it's not like it was a fact that Draedon is a Summoner
it's ultimately subjective
and i just dont see it
solar wharf
im confused on how its subjective the fact that draedon fights exactly like a summoner? unless you mean varying definition of summoner which would imply you dont believe ares exoskeleton to be a summoner weapon
pliant ruin
he Summons Things but i wouldn't classify him as the Summoner Class from Terraria
solar wharf
i honestly dont understand whats subjective about it
strong notch
To clarify things let's get a definition of summoner first
solar wharf
use calamity's definition of it
pliant ruin
while having the mechs
i'd count it, probably
but draedon is basically a spectator
mighty zenith
he Summons Things but i wouldn't classify him as the Summoner Class from Terrari...
thats like saying calamitas is a witch but she's not a mage class
like
fair enough
solar wharf
if ares exoskeleton is a summoner weapon, does the exact same thing draedon does, that implies draedon has the capability of being classified as summoner
pliant ruin
thats like saying calamitas is a witch but she's not a mage class
like
fair enou...
yeah
this
mighty zenith
but it just sounds weird
pliant ruin
basically
pliant ruin
if ares exoskeleton is a summoner weapon, does the exact same thing draedon does...
he does
but i don't classify him as that
solar wharf
ok well then thats beside the point
is no one gonna question the fact there is no official ranger
character
:((
solar wharf
DAMN
pliant ruin
it would be badass though
unfortunately he has like
a spear
thign
so probably not
strong notch
I wonder what class Yharon fits the most
pliant ruin
melee cuz. well. ehs a dragon that bites and scratches
but
also
mage cuz he spits fireballs and stuff
but at the same time
strong notch
Are fireballs mage tho?
pliant ruin
is it really a mage if like, the fireballs aren't really ''spells" as much as they're just things he does
mighty zenith
xeroc is a flamethrower main
pliant ruin
i just think trying to classify most calamity characters into classes is kind of a moot point
the only ones i can really see ''fitting'' into classes are the ones that are just like, straight up humans
solar wharf
i think people when talking about calamity needs to make the difference between magic and supernatural, by definition they are the same thing but in calamity magic is different than supernatural
i believe auric bars are supernatural not magic
pliant ruin
yharim and braelor are probably mostly melee, calamitas is mostly a mage, statis is possibly summoner???? but even then it's not like these definitions were things that would fully exists in-universe i don't think
like
mage probably does
you see a guy using magic that's a mage
but like
would you see someone beating someone else up and go
yeah thta's a Melee
mighty zenith
statis not being a rogue would be weird as hell
pliant ruin
i think it's possible given his items are associated w summoner
mighty zenith
but then again he has just as much connection to summoner
pliant ruin
but it might just be old lore things. idk.
pliant ruin
would you see someone beating someone else up and go
ranger too like
classifying someone with a minigun, a flamethrower and a bow all as ''rangers" would be rather odd from a in-universe standpoint
like ofc gameplay wise it makes sense
but i don't think "being" a class would be as prevalent
like yeah a guy who fights from afar is technically a ranger by definition but i doubt they'd be reffered to as such most of the time or have a official title of being a ranger or smth
mighty zenith
i think in-game classes are just too vague to work in-universe
pliant ruin
yeah
basically
the only one i can see working is
mage
cuz assuming that, well, doing magic is something that you have to study to do, as seen w permafrost and calamitas
mighty zenith
because how does a yoyo master classify as a melee class?
pliant ruin
it'd make sense why mage would be a legitimate title
it's not as vague as the rest and generally speaking has a much more consistent concept
maybe there could be specializations of mages kind of like how u can specialize in a field in real life lol
mighty zenith
i think the idea of dnd classes would fit cal so much better
take yharim for example
pliant ruin
yeah honestly
mighty zenith
describing him as a melee user really doesnt say much besides his choice of weaponry
pliant ruin
yharim you could argue could be a ''paladin" in a way
mighty zenith
but describing him as a paladin (charismatic, bulky, durable knight)
pliant ruin
but also a fighter
pliant ruin
yeah
solar wharf
like yeah a guy who fights from afar is technically a ranger by definition but i...
they probably arent just 'ranger'
they probably go more specific
strong notch
Rogue and ranger is kinda confusing
strong notch
a bow user?
Archer?
solar wharf
ye that
they probably dont call them rangers but moreso like
"oh this guy specializes in archery"
ranger being the more broad term for all of the above
things like archers gunners or anything inbetween
solar wharf
Rogue and ranger is kinda confusing
i dont like the idea of making rogue apart of ranger, they use vastly different types of weapons, sure the same can be said for guns and bows but the idea is there, throwable doesnt have that
imo it makes sense for them to be a sub-class
similar to like melee and yoyos
or just keep them as their entirely new class, both works for me
i just dont think they should actually be one
strong notch
They should just remain subclasses
Sorta like transformation based weapons like flamsteed ring should be a subclass
Of summoner and not directly it
delicate jacinth
Terrarias class system is flawed in many ways
So I dont really care what class an item is
Its just a damage type
It isnt really playstyle or design related
final current
the others didn't file the paperwork correctly
fierce pagoda
Why only three types of essenves when there are so many other things
keen hearth
Essence of planter
final current
ha typo
keen hearth
Catlasysmim
scenic olive
What if Scal was a male and he had little sisters instead of big bros and permafrost was his stepmom
mighty zenith
hey guys what if we made scal and yharim swap places
that would be an interesting potrayal of the characters
final current
19th of november draeson birhday
scenic olive
old man with dragon obsession got manipulated by a crazed psychotic brimstone witch
mighty zenith
we should also flanderize their personalities so theyre way less unique
scenic olive
Dragon Warrior is mad at Local Witch
sleek halo
we should also flanderize their personalities so theyre way less unique
true
evil and slightly more evil
with no nuance
nuance is for losers
mighty zenith
turn the eccentric and chaotic guy into a guy with the mentality and brain power of a toddler
buoyant inlet
I always didn't like swap aus in any fandom
They're so lame
It's basically the same thing but characters wear different skins, wow
There can be small nuances that are different but they're so insignificant
mighty zenith
you can do cool stuff with it but it has to be used with care
like ts!underswap for instance
instead of the characters being pallete swaps with flanderized personalities
the world itself is changed to fit the new roles of the characters
instead of a reskin its a retelling
mighty zenith
we stan koffin k in this household
buoyant inlet
Yes that's what Garbo said 2 messages above
pliant ruin
swap aus 80% of the time are glorified reskins with flanderized personalities
pliant ruin
we stan koffin k in this household
real....
pliant ruin
flander touhoyu
mighty zenith
ned flanders from touhou
real silo
Flounder scarlet from touhou not to be confused with the flandre fish from real life
sleek halo
instead of the characters being pallete swaps with flanderized personalities
the...
yea
mighty zenith
flat fuck
sleek halo
turn the eccentric and chaotic guy into a guy with the mentality and brain power...
I think it’d be fun to swap the roles
of perma and draedon
mighty zenith
same
mighty zenith
a genius ai learning the phenomenon of magic while striving to create the perfect magical construct
pliant ruin
draedon but hes cold as hell
pliant ruin
(picture of draedon wearing the most thug ass gangsta badass clothes youve everseen)
sleek halo
noway
mighty zenith
🇳🇴
mighty zenith
🇮🇱
mighty zenith
rework the ice shrine into permafrost's old workshop
sleek halo
so real
pliant ruin
what even is the ice shrine right now anywys
mighty zenith
igloo
pliant ruin
crimson, corruption, surface and abyss shrines all have
some sort of meaningful lore connection
pliant ruin
otonilou
it does have a jellyfish on it but
i don't see the connection otherwise
might just be coincidental
cuz it already had the jellyfish before lore rework anyways im p sure
mighty zenith
i think connecting it to permafrost would be cooler
sleek halo
yeah
mighty zenith
you could have the rimehound be his pet
sleek halo
yeah
sleek halo
also not like direct notes n stuff
keen hearth
as opposed to draedon's more technological lab it'd be more like
I like the idea of that more tho
sleek halo
more vague and mystical to separate it from
mighty zenith
desert could just be reworked entirely too
luxor's gift is so weird
pliant ruin
the existence of it implies it there was a god of some sorts being worshipped at the desert. which i mean fair enough cuz i dont think the ENTIRE desert was created by Cal's scorching, i personally think part of it was always there and more like a beach of sorts
but still
it's strange
specially when no other mention sof it exist
in any of the lore
marble/granite too ig but you can excuse those since neither seems to have a particular strong divine connection
mighty zenith
isnt luxor like
a reference to another game
keen hearth
Imagine if Draedon had a built in AI that you could type in questions for the totally most accurate lore
keen hearth
In the codebreaker communication
pliant ruin
marble/granite too ig but you can excuse those since neither seems to have a par...
Granite seems more like a natural thing than anything
Like yeah there's a chest but idk both the structure itself and the item you get from it just look like
a random geode
And marble is manmade but dosen't feel grand enough to be a shrine to a god imo
but i could b wrong
either way i don't think either have any relevance so
pliant ruin
isnt luxor like
a reference to another game
is it?
oh yeah
it is
i was always under theimpression it was like
a item named after a in-universe character except we know nothing about said in-universe character
tho ig it being just a reference makes it alot more excusable
mighty zenith
its also quite annoying
draedon having the murasama in a lab can be excused since its a place filled with random stuff
but a shrine themed around an item that references a character from outside media is
hhh
especially when every other shrine doesnt have that
pliant ruin
draedon having the murasama in a lab can be excused since its a place filled wit...
tbh
i never liked
murasama being murasama
cuz like
visual bane
the last update of calamity will remove all references, just like mobile/console 1.3
pliant ruin
its basically the most iconic item in the entire mod which has gotten the most reworks
and its just
a reference to another game
i wouldn't mind if after the rework is finished they just renamed it so it's not just a reference :p
maybe some slight design tweaks too to make that more clear
mighty zenith
people would RIOT if it got renamed
thats just the unfortunate truth
calamity fans dont like change
pliant ruin
they can COPE and MALD and SEETHE
mighty zenith
the last update of calamity will remove all references, just like mobile/console...
what the sigma
notryo jumpscare..
visual bane
hi garbo
pliant ruin
np
visual bane
i am here to ask about lore
since it is implied that the dragon's aerie is something like a floating island, does it correlate with aerialite being mineable after killing the hive mind/perforator
both of them are remnants of gods, which comes from dragons after all
mighty zenith
interesting to think about but we dont really have an answer for now
aerialite is pretty ambigous atm
visual bane
just a theory
mighty zenith
a ga
visual bane
me theory
mighty zenith
you theory? selfish smh
mighty zenith
TRUE
the dragon of time is there guarding it
im glad i beat explorers of sky recently so i got the reference
visual bane
so peak...
final current
why didn't draedon just create cannonballs out of thanatos' indestructible armour
is he stupid
mighty zenith
why didnt draedon just give thanatos better cooling? is he stupid?
visual bane
why didn't draedon just create cannonballs out of thanatos' indestructible armou...
pirate speech bubble
final current
pirate irony
solar wharf
hi
final current
exo being short for exotic should be added as a note here
the ordering of these matching the ordering of the actual recipe implies draedon considers cores of calamity to be 'energies'
Secondly, you are far too valuable for me to allow you to throw away your life in combat with the Godseeker
lmao draedon assumes the terrarian is always on hardcore
spring helm
Respawning isn’t canon so the Terrarian is
visual bane
my 724 tries on exo mechs:
spring helm
False timelines
visual bane
i guess one of the false one is draedon watching me die from a sharp bush after destroying his magnum opus
final current
Respawning isn’t canon so the Terrarian is
oh riht i forgot
mighty zenith
yharim falling to the terrarian's knees watching them explode for literally no reason
(a slime touched them while they were nohitting)
visual bane
nam%
final current
did yharim bring any gaming consoles with him to the dragon aerie
he must be bored if not
visual bane
exo box
calm patio
ryo appearance in lore disscussion..
floral nymph
lmao draedon assumes the terrarian is always on hardcore
game mechanics like respawning are not canon. also refights of most bosses
calm patio
Respawning isn’t canon so the Terrarian is
.
keen hearth
lmao draedon assumes the terrarian is always on hardcore
Yeah, I think that sorta implied people think we die for real when it happens
And that we supposedly age
Because of Draedon talking about lifespan
floral nymph
yeah we age
novel tulip
I mean the entire game canonically takes place in like a year or so I think ?
Wait actually how long is the average calamity run
All intended settings
because then just multiply that by 60 for time in in game hours
civic salmon
The specifics of the day/night cycle are also probably noncanon
keen hearth
yeah we age
Players sorta don't
But maybe time doesn't actually happen to us or who we interact with on Terraria
supple thunder
The specifics of the day/night cycle are also probably noncanon
yea a 24-minute rotation period for the terraria planet would probably rip it apart
keen hearth
I think anything the drink princess says is immediately unconfirmed, right?
It's just non serious 4th wall breaking
spring helm
Yeah, she’s entirely non-canon
scenic olive
why is it so hard to copy miracle weapons style
its like my brain is vomiting all over the place
graceful otter
its like my brain is vomiting all over the place
good, thats how theyre meant to be
scenic olive
real silo
What's that supposed to be
mighty zenith
calamitas crying
real silo
It'd be easier to sketch a design on paper or smth first
mighty zenith
obviously
real silo
That's good she's just letting go of them negative emotions
real silo
I meant the weapong
I know what calsad was based on because vicky burned the image of marisad in my brain
graceful otter
oh
graceful otter
I know what calsad was based on because vicky burned the image of marisad in my ...
:3
scenic olive
It'd be easier to sketch a design on paper or smth first
oh i did
stark basalt
Lore time
scenic olive
real silo
Ah
scenic olive
just that
real silo
Translating into pissels is hard
scenic olive
it doesnt translate in my head
stark basalt
WAIT Omni lore guy is a cal Reddit mod???
stark basalt
WHAT
spring helm
Because the Calamity Subreddit had some drama that Omni had to stop
real silo
Is it really calreddit without yearly drama
stark basalt
Omni in a position of power scares me
mighty zenith
Is it really calreddit without yearly drama
monthly*
spring helm
It’s the same drama every time too lol
real silo
I was being generous because I haven't checked calreddit in a long while
mighty zenith
the porn addict turned out to be chill
graceful otter
me when the porn guy gets told to chill out and he chills out (still gets attacked)
stark basalt
Can’t keep up with that drama bruh
People get so upset about stuff on cal reddit
That’s why here is so cool
spring helm
BREAKING
Yharim cancelled on Twitter for alleged hate crimes against Lihzahrds
spring helm
I think DoG is the most likely out of the crew to make a diss track
it would be garbage
but he'd make it
real silo
Dog with them otherworldly beats
spring helm
The Devourer of God's dark evil beat
tidal mantle
Devoured beats fr
stark basalt
Dog is the type of guy who’d want all of his songs to have calamity bells
cloud ibex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtsoz8bqXFU dog would make this
spring helm
the guy called Devourer
tidal mantle
Or
real silo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtsoz8bqXFU dog would make this
Distortion theme leaks
wheat walrus
WAIT Omni lore guy is a cal Reddit mod???
yes
stark basalt
Don’t do the is to me
stark basalt
I was gonna cry
wheat walrus
but yeah
notregedit isn't that bad besides when you look at what they post, but that's unrelated to the subreddit and they don't bring up weird stuff to subreddit at all, and an artist made a callout post on them and other people
so a whole ass drama started over this
stark basalt
💀💀💀
wheat walrus
decided to step into it asap and stop it
stark basalt
Omni working overtime fr
real silo
Doing god's work
west moat
Terrarian has screenshots
mighty zenith
holy shit
fading siren
What if
draedon will accompany us in our trip to the distortion and we will execute tasks for him to gain lore
civic salmon
draedon will accompany us in our trip to the distortion and we will execute task...
Huh, I think that would be pretty cool actually
Alternatively, maybe the signal he uses to remote control his recon units cant penetrate into the Distortion, so he offers stuff in exchange for us being an errand boy and fetching samples for him
fading siren
I just had the idea while watching a video about the communication with draedon
fading siren
Alternatively, maybe the signal he uses to remote control his recon units cant p...
Yea whatever happens a mission type thing would be cool
And a unique bit of gameplay
civic salmon
I think the Distortion running on slightly different laws of physics that can still more or less accomodate biological life but is devastating to precise technology would be cool, and maybe a bit more balanced?
Draedon is super fucking powerful and we kinda have a truce with him, so him being powerless against the Distortion would help keep the stakes high
fading siren
interesting
fair token
oh wait huh
those old robots draedon sent out like 600 years ago
are those the wulfrum bots
civic salmon
Otherwise we can kinda say "Oh even if Noxus kicks our ass, so long as it's in Draedon's best interest for Terraria to be more or less intact things will be fine (from Distortion invasion anyways)"
fading siren
Although tbh from the lore it looks like he doesn’t really need our help in researching
civic salmon
Wulfrum Drone
The purpose the wulfrum machines once fulfilled can most clearly be seen through the drones: to harass the basic troopers of Yharim’s forces. They were not threatening enough to be a priority target, though their laser attacks could be quite deadly if allowed to fully power up.
-The Wulfrum enemies were once intended to harass Yharim’s normal troops, though they were very rarely a large threat.
Wulfrum Rover
The most simple of the Wulfrum Machines, and the honorary mascot of those who rebelled against Yharim. Its small stature and eager movements may remind some of a dog, but don't be deceived; in the chaos of battle, a Rover is still dangerous
stark basalt
opinions on the new Draedon lore?
civic salmon
@fair token Guess not, seems the Wulfrum robots were used by enemies of Yharim. I wouldn't be surprised if Draedon recalled all his old drones to prevent them from being reclaimed by others
civic salmon
opinions on the new Draedon lore?
Love it, really fleshes out Draedon into a unique character, his dynamic with the player was surprising but not unwelcome. Very promising stuff
As a fan of everything on the fantasy-scifi spectrum from the far end of epic fantasy to the other far end of hard scifi, Draedon's origins and motivation as a very hard-scifi character in a mishmashy science fantasy world is really cool
stark basalt
yeah, Draedon is definitely one of the more interesting characters in the mod's lore
I hope that Braelor and Statis get more lore and backstory as well
stark basalt
yeah, I'm very excited to see what is to come