lore-discussion

[buoyant inlet]

What would it change

[brisk frigate]

You still can be

[wheat walrus]

check sscls

[solar wharf]

hi guys

[pliant ruin]

He wouldn't be gargantuan

because he would be a twink

and not a space worm

[buoyant inlet]

Wrong

[pliant ruin]

duck joins chat immediately to see me talking about dog being a twink for the 1879th time

wonderful

[buoyant inlet]

People also can be gargantuan

[graceful otter]

meoww

[mighty zenith]

throudon your sins will be forgiven if you draw my husband as a buff man

[solar wharf]

I CANT

[mighty zenith]

i mean what

hi chat

[solar wharf]

:3

[wheat walrus]

[wheat walrus]

🇮🇹

[buoyant inlet]

My only sin is rizznus

It's unforgivable unfortunately

[pliant ruin]

i have no sins im pure and innocent

im a gentle soul

[mighty zenith]

the original sin

[wheat walrus]

my list of sins is endless

[buoyant inlet]

I will never cross the pearly gates

[wheat walrus]

:plumgpolice:

[mighty zenith]

we must crucify noob to forgive it

[buoyant inlet]

I agree

[pliant ruin]

im kind and goodhearted and ive never done anything wrong my entire life

im a pure soul

[mighty zenith]

[pliant ruin]

dont ask what i was doing the night of may 13th 1995 though

[real silo]

but are you a pure auric soul

[mighty zenith]

are you a prime soul

[wheat walrus]

is that the bite of 95?!

[solar wharf]

would you kill cheese for an auric soul

[brisk frigate]

In a wedding dress

[mighty zenith]

true?

[real silo]

I would kill cheese regardless of an auric soul or not

I was born to commit churder

[buoyant inlet]

Church murder

[brisk frigate]

So romans

[solar wharf]

woo...

[solar wharf]

DAMN!!!

[fallow willow]

could somebody send the picture of Braelor pls?

[real silo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404776393117925376/1190664552191381504/braelor_concept_art_normal_armor_no_helm_12-29-23.png?ex=6644c846&is=664376c6&hm=e1b6bfbca036eb59604efdf72fb0d0a345cd324365b312cee0011f7f6377b600&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=394&height=525

[fallow willow]

oh

thanx so much

is it silva or tarragon set on him?

[buoyant inlet]

None

It's like custom made armor

That is related to Silva

But it's not Silva armor, Silva armor is player made

[fallow willow]

ok thx

[solar wharf]

is silva armor that we make canon?

[spring helm]

I leave for like five minutes and the chat devolved into DoG is twink argument again

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-cry-about-it-anime-gif-22484022

[spring helm]

I’m blaming cheese

[solar wharf]

LMAO

[buoyant inlet]

Yes, why wouldn't it be

[pliant ruin]

tarragon is getting removed btw, thoguth id mention thta

[fallow willow]

i know

[spring helm]

Are you alright

[solar wharf]

so is it weaker or stronger than braelor's?

[spring helm]

What’s tarragon armour then

Providence?

[buoyant inlet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[buoyant inlet]

It will be replaced with profaned guardians themed armor iirc

[spring helm]

Draedon implied that Silva made (grew) Braelor’s armour herself

So I think it would be stronger than ours

[pliant ruin]

Tarragon is related to providence but

thematically dosent fit in the slightest so thats why its getting replaced

[spring helm]

Well he said that for his axe, but there’s no reason to think that his armour wouldn’t have gone through a similar process

[solar wharf]

what was even the throught process anyway

[buoyant inlet]

Which will be cool for multiplayer

[solar wharf]

yeah but ours have dragonfolly feathers in it

[spring helm]

Recreate pre-ascension Providence squad

[real silo]

profaned guardians armor will have specter healing (based)

[sleek halo]

probably weaker

Braelor’s armor would have to stand up to being hit by

Yharim

wearing pure auric

(pre exo tech boost)

also I will say

[scarlet pecan]

-claps-

[novel tulip]

wawa

[scarlet pecan]

we talking champions in here?

[wheat walrus]

guh

wuh

[wheat walrus]

yuh

buh

[spring helm]

Damn Omni got stun locked

[wheat walrus]

I'm blendering rn

and blender has been stunned for over 20 minutes I think

[sleek halo]

Yharim is awfully

seemingly confident

[zinc lance]

Did you know braelor likes ants

[sleek halo]

about being stronger than the Exo mechs

[novel tulip]

yes.

[wheat walrus]

fr

[sleek halo]

considering they’re based off his strength

from less than a year ago

[buoyant inlet]

🤨

[sleek halo]

So I wonder how much stronger Yharim is

[pliant ruin]

something to do with the ''metal" growing back when damaged from the few remains of the undamaged previous metal or smth

[sleek halo]

Also this does kinda confirm an idea I’ve had for a while

or support it

I think during the crusade

Scal was stronger than even Yharim

[real silo]

yharim probably never lost so he never expected to lose against two random gay dudes

[solar wharf]

scal might even be stronger than yharim rn

[sleek halo]

like could’ve absolutely kill him

[solar wharf]

just wins over because yharim has auric rejection

[sleek halo]

and probably was able to

[solar wharf]

skill

[spring helm]

No way Yharim is weaker than scal at this point

[sleek halo]

when sheeft

[spring helm]

He got an upgrade to his armour

[sleek halo]

he isn’t too mych stronger realistically

[spring helm]

Yharim’s rocking that exo auric armour

[real silo]

he's only a tier above her

[sleek halo]

considering the exo mechs are based off him

[real silo]

but we also don't kill scal

[sleek halo]

from less

than a year ago

[spring helm]

We beat the exo mechs with bootleg auric armour

Yharim’s got the real deal

[sleek halo]

Correct

[wheat walrus]

armor based powerscaling

[sleek halo]

But also how hard the fight was

is entirely based on your own headcanon

[spring helm]

Light work, no reaction

[sleek halo]

Sure

for you

[spring helm]

I’m kidding they kicked my ass

[real silo]

terrarian called yharim cringe which made him depressed

[sleek halo]

My own had a harder time with the exo mechs than scal because they’re just better suited to fighting him

[real silo]

he then sat in the wand's firenado and died

[wheat walrus]

Disufiroa VS Xeroc

[solar wharf]

i mean we would also do that with yharim tho

so whats the difference?

[sleek halo]

^

But yeah I wonder how much stronger

[spring helm]

That’s true

[sleek halo]

he could’ve gotten

to seem so confident

[spring helm]

Terrarian is just built different I guess

[sleek halo]

in beating them

[solar wharf]

i dont think the player having bootleg auric says much as we literally beat every boss with weaker material than them

[sleek halo]

or well he seems confident in that

[real silo]

ye auric will still be viable against yharim

exo and demonshade will obviously be slightly better but still

[wheat walrus]

aarim exoshade

[spring helm]

I’m assuming all endgame viable armours rn would be good against Yharim

[solar wharf]

how do we know this?

[real silo]

well they're one tier above auric

[scarlet pecan]

am i weird for thinking it'd be cool/thematically fitting for the final Yharim fight to have us tag-teaming with Cal to take him out?

[solar wharf]

yeah but wasnt the plan to make it so, exo is utility, demonshade dps, auric mix of both

[spring helm]

I know gem tech armour isn’t canon but what do you guys think about it?

[solar wharf]

which would imply both even tho different tier

[wheat walrus]

on one hand it'd be cool but I doubt Cal would want to fight at all and I don't think that's planned in development at all

[solar wharf]

similar strength

[scarlet pecan]

wouldn't count demonshade, iirc its noncanon because dev item

[spring helm]

Demonshade is gonna be canonized

[solar wharf]

demonshade is being canonized and reworked

[wheat walrus]

demonshade is supposed to be canon iirc

[sleek halo]

ok hold on I just realized something

[wheat walrus]

ye

[scarlet pecan]

oh

[real silo]

I know but it doesn't make much sense to have it weaker than auric

[scarlet pecan]

ok nevermind lmao

[solar wharf]

so now its gonna be ashes of annhilation instead of the dev shadowspec

the armor sets go like this

[real silo]

it'll still be about equal

[sleek halo]

did draedons lore item change (yharim talking about him and the exo mechs)

[solar wharf]

auric, exo, demonshade

[sleek halo]

cause I swear it was different

[real silo]

but they're better in different aspects so they're hard to compare

[solar wharf]

what do they mean by utility

as in like defense?

would exo have the best defense

[real silo]

exo is three armors in one

[solar wharf]

o

[buoyant inlet]

Well not really 3

[real silo]

super tank exo, overheat glass exo, default exo

[spring helm]

Would be cool if the exo armour was built like thanatos’s

[real silo]

that's overheat exo

I think

well it's the same but without the impenetrable armor

[spring helm]

Fish Silva out of the abyss and have her work together with Draedon

[buoyant inlet]

I think the general direction for exo armor is still tank

Like, overheat mode turns all your high difference into damage during overheat, at least those were the plans

[solar wharf]

whats the difference between super tank and overheat then?

[solar wharf]

oh

[buoyant inlet]

Tank is, well, super tank

[real silo]

that's what I heard too

I don't remember what default does though

something about choosing what features you want on the armor or something

[solar wharf]

would exo armor be a blueprint from draedon

or something we made ourselves?

[spring helm]

Let’s go tank armour! (I am completely reliant on my friends in multiplayer to do damage)

[real silo]

you upgrade exo armor from the arsenal armor

so I'd say it's from draedon

[spring helm]

Damn

First we invent stable miracle matter from Draedon’s exo prism

Now we make upgrades to Draedon’s arsenal armours

[solar wharf]

but i assume it has nothing to do with the encryption

[spring helm]

Terrarian is the smartest man alive for real

[solar wharf]

and its us just applying exo prisms

onto it

[real silo]

who knows

[solar wharf]

does that mean its a blueprint from draedon or just

[sleek halo]

I mean

We’re arguably just as inventive as him

[solar wharf]

when it comes to weapons yeah

like holy fuck

[real silo]

arsenal armor gets upgraded alongside arsenal weapons I think

[sleek halo]

not jsut weapons

[solar wharf]

call us USA with how much we spend on weaponry

[sleek halo]

material in general

[real silo]

one pre-hm one hm and one post ml

[sleek halo]

I’m going to be real

[real silo]

actually two post ml

[sleek halo]

I don’t think the majority of people

would think to combine fragments of an auric soul

and auric

to force attunement

in that world

[solar wharf]

wouldnt be surprised if old dragon slayers did it tho

[sleek halo]

I doibt it

otherwise they’d have it

[real silo]

I assume it's a recipe we unlock from the final schematic

either that or we got it from the codebreaker like the forge

[sleek halo]

Gods wielding auric

eevn if it’s mock attunement

would not go unnoticed

though they were likely too focused on actually doing the ritual

to care for that

or to think about it

[real silo]

to get the soul fragments they have to kill the dragon

[solar wharf]

as jank said we also have like an inventive mind from the shit we made so it wouldnt be impossible that we made it ourselves

[real silo]

but to kill the dragon measn they can't ascend w

or smth

[sleek halo]

I mean we made

something even Draedon couldn’t

[solar wharf]

yeah but i assume dragon slayers existed before

the ritual leaked

i wouldnt be surprised

[sleek halo]

I doubt it, there’d be no reason to try

[solar wharf]

fear

and glory

[sleek halo]

if there’s no reward other than being hunted down

[solar wharf]

curiosity too

[sleek halo]

for the rest of your days

[real silo]

I mean they could still have killed dragons before the whole ritual stuff happened

[sleek halo]

not many people would be incentivized towards it

[solar wharf]

dragons have tyrants along their ranks, why wouldnt a human want revenge?

[real silo]

just that the dragons got to rebirth

[sleek halo]

Tbf I think

People likely thought of

Dragons as unkillable beings

[scarlet pecan]

here's a potentially interesting thought, you think Cal secretly knows the ritual but just witholds that information?

[solar wharf]

like if a dragon kills some humans i wouldnt be surprised if a hero or someone related to those humans said "nah fuck that" and killed him

[sleek halo]

I doubt she does

[solar wharf]

they didnt

humans have a habit of trying to kill everything

[real silo]

she was born in the middle of the crusade

[sleek halo]

though I could see Perma knowing depending on his age

[solar wharf]

primitive humans had no chance against mammoths yet look what we did lmao

[sleek halo]

more like the tailend of it

[real silo]

maybe

I forgot the dates

[sleek halo]

Well

it went on for a century

she’s around 20-30 rn

[real silo]

yeah this is what I'm saying

[sleek halo]

and was a child when she joined

[solar wharf]

i wouldnt be at all surprised if dragon slayers existed

back then

[real silo]

there has to be a dude who's whole thing is killing dragons to stop them being nuisances

[solar wharf]

before ritual got leaked

[solar wharf]

^

tyrants are confirmed to be within dragons rank

why wouldnt there be a hero

or someone who wants revenge?

we know dragons are killable

[real silo]

I made pre ascension rav a dragon slayer for that reason

[sleek halo]

I could see it but

They’d likely be hunted down

by dragons after rebirthing

and would be quite fucked

[real silo]

just kill them again

[solar wharf]

so what if someone figured out how mock attunement works and got fake auric, which might have made killing the 3rd most powerful dragon possible

actually fovos might have did that himself

nvl

nvm

[real silo]

also iirc dragons lose some of their memories when rebirthing

so they might've just forgot who murdered them

[sleek halo]

Maybe

[solar wharf]

would dragons risk a war with humans? they'd obviously win but it would fuck the balance

and i mean probably lose a good amount of dragons

[real silo]

what's the third strongest dragon anyways

[sleek halo]

realistically if one their own was culled

[real silo]

vetrasyl?

[sleek halo]

They’d go and deal with them

[solar wharf]

why would they if that dragon was a tyrant?

zeratros was probably nice to humans seeing how

you know

he has a monk

and is worshipped

was xerocs best friend

even attuned to him

[real silo]

what's this about tyrants

[sleek halo]

Would you believe your own kind, or the people who murdered them

[scarlet pecan]

not to mention wasn't Xeroc's ascencion thing like, a mutual agreement or something between the two?

[solar wharf]

idk how dragons think but a human would still question their own morality

[solar wharf]

not confirmed

[sleek halo]

not known

[real silo]

if it's the flame dragon they'd probably think "dammit he's going at it again"

[scarlet pecan]

because if it was mutual then Yharim's argument really falls apart entirely for his god crusade

[solar wharf]

i mean the dragons would eventually realize

"ok so humans keep killing this dragon, there is no way he isnt doing anything bad to them"

[scarlet pecan]

I think it really just hammers in how unreliable of a narrator Yharim is tbh

[solar wharf]

and since they can rebirth, would dragons REALLY care if a human killed them?

[sleek halo]

Well tbf

I doubt anyone but Xeroc knows

how it went down

[solar wharf]

its already pretty stupid

yharims argument that is

[sleek halo]

He knows as much as Yharon does

or well

what Yharon tells him

[solar wharf]

and i dont think we need to point out how biased yharon is

[pliant ruin]

''god damn it jeff you've been killed 35 times now. dude you're the fucking dragon of dehodorant why do you keep trying to kill people, not only is that in itself a terrible thing but your domain is fucking dehodorant, what do you imagine to accomplish. fuck you man. none of us like you."

[solar wharf]

LMAOOOO

[sleek halo]

deodorant… not

dehodorant..

[solar wharf]

wow would you look at that

the grammar police is here

[zealous pier]

dehoderant 🤤

[solar wharf]

who even knows how to spell deodrant

fuck that word

[scarlet pecan]

dehoderant just looks silly lmao

[sleek halo]

it’s just better to say

so they don’t say in the future

[scarlet pecan]

what, would the dragon just be a feathered giant Old Spice stick lmao

[solar wharf]

dont worry jank

[sleek halo]

not trying to be an ass

[solar wharf]

ur doing the world a favor

i understand that

but like can we rename dedorant to

sweat remover

like how it is in arabic

[zealous pier]

dehoderant removes all hoders

[solar wharf]

that would be so much better

[zealous pier]

no

deoderant isnt a sweat remover

[pliant ruin]

the god who consumed jeffs soul turned into the god of shampoo

[zealous pier]

thats antiperisperant

[sleek halo]

Yk I wonder who gave dragons their names

[solar wharf]

DAMN!!!

[sleek halo]

Did the dragons do it themselves

[real silo]

I think they wouldn't want to be reborn as a baby again and lose some of their memories

[pliant ruin]

he was killed by a singular member of yharims footsoldiers

[sleek halo]

or were they just given names

[zealous pier]

probably john dragons

[real silo]

They can rebirth yes but they're still dying

[solar wharf]

yeah but it isnt as bad as like "YO THIS BITCH KILLED ONE OF OUR DRAGONS, LETS HUNT HIM DOWN AND RISK A WAR WITH HUMANITY"

[real silo]

It was the dragon of names

Who ironically has no name himself

[sleek halo]

also it’s probably an offense to them

that someone would dare to do so

[real silo]

Humans don't wage war because someone killed a random grunt either

[solar wharf]

would they really use that as an exusce to wage war

[solar wharf]

when that random grunt is seen as a hero

they certainly would

[real silo]

who would be a hero for the dragons

[sleek halo]

I doubt the entire human race

would do so

[solar wharf]

probably not the guy picking on humans?

[solar wharf]

yeah me too but a good amount would?

if a team of 4 can take down a dragon

i wouldnt be surprised if like

500

could

too

[sleek halo]

I mean

Tbf I think Providence

[real silo]

ok wait I misread that

[sleek halo]

is an exception

not the rule

she was likely already incredibly strong

[solar wharf]

yeah and a hero who slew a dragon would be that too

[zealous pier]

this is important lore btw

[real silo]

the average human is a town npc

[sleek halo]

Like there’d be people who can take on dragons

[real silo]

Town npcs are NOT strong

[sleek halo]

but most would get fucking slaughtered

nor would they care

[solar wharf]

now imagine that person

with soliders alongside him

[sleek halo]

I mean realistically

if a group of people picked a fight with the dragons

they’d be ostracized

[real silo]

was it said anywhere that provi only had her guardians when killing the dragon

[buoyant inlet]

Hello chat

[solar wharf]

and i dont see why humanity wouldnt see that as a threat?

[pliant ruin]

what the hell throudon is now a troodon

[real silo]

helloudon

[solar wharf]

it implied to

[pliant ruin]

or something that looks like a troodon, anyways

[sleek halo]

well tbf who is to say

[solar wharf]

jank as i said

[sleek halo]

they had that level of connection

[solar wharf]

humanity has a habit of killing things that arent suppose to be killed

[sleek halo]

I doubt they wrre

really technologically advanced

in any regard

[real silo]

me killing the unkillable snail

[sleek halo]

especially smaller civilizations

[real silo]

they can still train

[solar wharf]

if its a hero that saved an entire city from a tyrannical dragon, i think it wouldnt be hard to convince and recurit people..

specially when people fought for stupider reasons

[real silo]

braelor and statis did it surely other humans can as well

[pliant ruin]

hey guys we should kill every single jungle bat

it would be epic

[solar wharf]

I AGREE

SPIT UR SHIT CHEESE

[sleek halo]

So true

[real silo]

kill all bats

Not just the jungle one

[sleek halo]

yk basically everyone can probably get as strong as yharim

[solar wharf]

how old is azafure?

[sleek halo]

just lift weights

for a fucking 100 years

[real silo]

maybe 2000 years old

[sleek halo]

they’d be probably in their

[real silo]

all I remember is it was at the start of recorded history

Which according to dragon was 1800+ years ago

[sleek halo]

500-1000 in terms of age

[real silo]

Draedon not dragon

[sleek halo]

at that time

[solar wharf]

i mean this is also assuming dragons even see humans as like another civilization

what if they treat humans like how a tiger killing a human

but even less because death means less to them

[sleek halo]

I mean I will say

the whole dragon killing thing

only happened after the fovos event

when they wrre likely extremely weak

and more erratic and stressed

or just fucking dead

[brisk frigate]

If dragons trained they're never have any of this happen

[solar wharf]

if that were the case i dont think the dragons wouldv lasted long against the gods

yet they did

[brisk frigate]

[solar wharf]

well

im not denying it

[sleek halo]

Because dragons

[solar wharf]

thats confirmed

[sleek halo]

are hard

to kill

[solar wharf]

im saying it isnt as bad

as you say it is

[solar wharf]

humanity outnumbers them and now is in equal footing with them

in what sense is that a war

that feels more like a genocide

[sleek halo]

Realistically if the dragons had fought

humanity

before fovos

they would win

[real silo]

humanity would fold over and die

[sleek halo]

Yeah also considering

there would be mass amounts

[real silo]

there'll be survivors but still

[sleek halo]

who support the dragons

realistically

[real silo]

that'd depend on the dragons' goal

If it's to wipe out humanity then they have no chance

[sleek halo]

I think they’d just cull the people who were actively trying to murder them lol

[real silo]

yea fair

[sleek halo]

but post Fovos well

their king is

gone

a lot of them are likely injured

or dead

[real silo]

Seems like it takes time for them to be rebirthed too

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[real silo]

In addition to being born as babies

[sleek halo]

if Yharon even lived

through it

that’s never been confirmed if he did or not

Also this line leads me to believe

the dragon needs to be on the aerie potentially

to actually be reborn

[solar wharf]

obviously but this is considering gods existence + after fovos

im saying if they were extremely weakened

[sleek halo]

“When a Dragon is laid to rest on the Aerie, its powers are relinquished so they may one day return.”

[solar wharf]

that war wouldnt have been a war

how would dragons last 300 years

or so

how long did they last?

[sleek halo]

iirc

last time I saw it posted here

about a century

[wheat walrus]

fovos vinted

[sleek halo]

but the timeline has changed

so that also might’ve changed

[solar wharf]

how would dragons survive 100 years vs a foe whos as strong as them and outnumbers them more than tenfold

[sleek halo]

I have doubts about most of the gods

belping

kill more dragons

[solar wharf]

well a lot of gods were fond of the idea of killing yharon as a baby

[sleek halo]

well they wanted a god king

[solar wharf]

so what says they didnt want more gods at that era

[sleek halo]

Well I’d say a lot of them were probably worried about ih

[dry scaffold]

same way rebel forces and terrorist groups last? hiding and gourilla tactics

[sleek halo]

getting killed fighting a dragon

[solar wharf]

i dont think dragons could do gourilla tactics?

[sleek halo]

I’d assume a majority of them can probably uh

fly

and hide on mountains

and in the sea

[dry scaffold]

true but it was the only way I could think of

[solar wharf]

with gods help

[sleek halo]

or underground

[solar wharf]

that wouldnt matter

[solar wharf]

humans lived there

[sleek halo]

yeah well dragonfollies still exist

[solar wharf]

jungle.

[real silo]

it's been 700 years since xeroc ascended or smth

[solar wharf]

gods also didnt hunt dragonfollies iirc

[real silo]

unless I'm thinking of the wrong war

[solar wharf]

and didnt they survive due to mass reproducing???

[sleek halo]

they’re vicious because of the hunting

[solar wharf]

yeah

by i assume uneducated

humans

you would think gods would kill like 5 dragonfollies

and realize

[sleek halo]

Yk the most important thing

[solar wharf]

"uh, not the real thing"

[sleek halo]

Old Duke still lives

with obvious battle damage

[dry scaffold]

gods didn't kill fishron

[solar wharf]

^

[sleek halo]

his power is strong enough to easily

[dry scaffold]

same with Wyverns

[sleek halo]

convince people he’d be one

[fierce pagoda]

I thought a bunch of draconic offshoots still got hunted because people thought they had auric souls, that's why only a few offshoot species are still alive, is this wrong?

[sleek halo]

well the offshoots were hunted

[dry scaffold]

yes and no

[sleek halo]

the eidolon wyrms went deeper

to where they couldn’t be hunted

[solar wharf]

yeah but why would gods do that? i dont think gods would keep up a hunt

[pliant ruin]

i always interpreted the eidolon bestiary as

[solar wharf]

gods would realize they dont have it

[sleek halo]

I mean in the early times

[pliant ruin]

dragons went to the deep ocean to avoid being hunted

they eventually lost their auric souls and turned into wyrms

[solar wharf]

yeah but you dont have to wipe an entire species to figure that out

only the normal uneducated humans were left that hunted them

[sleek halo]

they wre an offshoot

[fierce pagoda]

why were the offshoots hunted then

[sleek halo]

who lived higher up originally

[solar wharf]

gods had minimal intrevention

[sleek halo]

but forced into deeper parts

[solar wharf]

because NORMAL humans hunted them

not gods

[sleek halo]

to avoid being hunted

[solar wharf]

and i'd say a dragonfolly can probably defend itself from a normal human

[sleek halo]

Though I think OD would’ve absolutely been hunted early in the genocide

[fierce pagoda]

no but why

[sleek halo]

he’s extremely strong

[fierce pagoda]

why did they hunt them

[pliant ruin]

yeah i just

[solar wharf]

they thought it had auric

[sleek halo]

he’d absolutely be viewed as a

[pliant ruin]

mkisread the wyrm bestiary

[solar wharf]

auric souls

[sleek halo]

auric dragon

[pliant ruin]

nopthing there implies they were dragons nvm

[sleek halo]

because of that strength

[solar wharf]

they hunted fishrons too

by the time they fought OD

[sleek halo]

current fishron are far weaker

[solar wharf]

he also was a normal ass fishron

yeah

but back then

he also was a normal ass fishron

[real silo]

Wyrms were offshoots in the sense that they had dragon bodies but no dragon souls

[sleek halo]

perhaps

[mighty zenith]

Od just managed to hide in the shitty sea that nobody wanted to go to

[solar wharf]

so

to them he wasnt powerful

he just got lucky

[sleek halo]

the sea wasn’t originally shitty

thf

[solar wharf]

gods didnt go after him

and instead

mortals did

which obviously lost

[sleek halo]

..?

Most gods would lose to OD

[solar wharf]

current OD yes

talking about young od

[sleek halo]

Young OD was probably just as strong

[real silo]

Young od would be even stronger

[sleek halo]

his blood os closer

to the auric dragons

[real silo]

you don't get stronger as you grow old

[sleek halo]

the reason current fishron

[fierce pagoda]

Dragons are still super powerful even without auric souls. since the boss order is canon, as in the next boss is canonically stronger then the one before it, even Old duke was more powerful than Providence

[sleek halo]

are weaker

[real silo]

your body breaks down and get all sorts of old man problems

[solar wharf]

i assumed dragons were different?

[sleek halo]

is because they’re far more separated from the auric dragons lineage wise

[solar wharf]

there is no way you would be telling me OD might have been zeratros level

because current od is > providence

[graceful otter]

old duke probably just has a lot of experience fighting shit

[solar wharf]

WELL

NOT ZERATROS LEVEL

[sleek halo]

OD is not zeratros level

[solar wharf]

just

close enough

[sleek halo]

OD is just abhorrently strong

[solar wharf]

like maybe right behind the 3rd dragon

[real silo]

Maybe idk
Od isn't a full dragon either way

[solar wharf]

yharim = zeratros

[fierce pagoda]

Old duke is weaker than Yharon though

[pliant ruin]

OD is probably like stronger than alot of dragons

[fierce pagoda]

and exo mechs, and scal, and DoG

[sleek halo]

Jared was likely around the same strength as OD before his blessing

[solar wharf]

this would imply OD would have been in the top 5th strongest dragons

which is just fucking insane

[pliant ruin]

actually no hes probably straight up canonically stronger than most dragons, not probably

cuz the avrg dragon was eidolon wyrm strenght iirc

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[real silo]

what tier are we considering jared

[fierce pagoda]

The average dragon was around the strength of Eidolon wyrms, according to the bestiary

[real silo]

Post yharon?

[sleek halo]

higher than scal and exo emchs

he’s inbetween them and yharim

[real silo]

damn

Ain't no way od stronger than that guy lol

[sleek halo]

he’s the second strongest dragon of all time

[solar wharf]

stronger than the average dragon sure, but with the current OD who if we go off by jank statement being weaker, he literally would be 5th strongest dragon at minimum when he was young

[sleek halo]

i never said he got weaker or stronger

just he’d likely be around the same as he was back then

[solar wharf]

nvm that was altraxia

sorry confusion

[real silo]

yes

[sleek halo]

but yeah OD and Jared are likely exceptions

from their species

[pliant ruin]

5th?

do we even know how strong other dragons were besides

[sleek halo]

Not the norm for them back then

[pliant ruin]

zeratros and yharon

[real silo]

I firmly believe od got weaker due to aging

I mean just look at the guy he looks like a mummy

[sleek halo]

Jared being the first Eidolon Wyrm

[solar wharf]

yes, zeratros is tied with yharim who is number 1, yharon has 3 bosses between him and yharim even tho hes the 2nd strongest dragon

so its safe to assume

3rd dragon

[sleek halo]

Puts him literally 1 generation away from the auric dragons

[solar wharf]

was around

DoG

[sleek halo]

and OD could also potentially be a first generation fishron

considering he showed up around the middle ages of the draconic era iirc

[graceful otter]

is

[sleek halo]

does it say that?

[solar wharf]

then why didnt dragons mass produce offshoots and use them as weapons of war

[graceful otter]

"One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. "

[sleek halo]

Ah

So yeah him and Jared

[solar wharf]

ig maybe

[real silo]

first generation means he's fucking 800+ years old

[sleek halo]

are liekly the strongest of their races

[solar wharf]

slow reproduction rates

[solar wharf]

and we just killed him

just like that

[sleek halo]

yeah we’re kind of

assholes

he was just chilling

lol

[hollow dagger]

so yharim is totally gay right? like, i cant be the only person who sees him as really fruity

[solar wharf]

uh

i mean

[graceful otter]

yea sure

[solar wharf]

if u want to believe that

[graceful otter]

[real silo]

shouldn't have come to us in the middle of the acid rain when we're fighting shit

[solar wharf]

sure go ahead

[pliant ruin]

no

[sleek halo]

The only love Yharim has is for gaslighting and dragons

[pliant ruin]

hes homophobicx

raging homophobe

[hollow dagger]

maybe hes just]

[pliant ruin]

he hates gays

[hollow dagger]

externalizing some things

[solar wharf]

i mean if the player had some respect, it wouldv been better to leave it wounded

[graceful otter]

what about draerim

[solar wharf]

i assume OD is still not that dumb

[graceful otter]

how do you explain draerim

[solar wharf]

he wouldnt fight a losing battle

[real silo]

yharim hates lgbt
proof:
xeroc
braelor and statis

[pliant ruin]

draedon broke up with him because he was homopboic weve went through this

[sleek halo]

Draedon technically is not male or female

[pliant ruin]

draedon is gay yhatrim is homophobic

[graceful otter]

yharim literally got draedon to upgrade his armour. clearly a front for one of their dates

[sleek halo]

It’s an AI

[graceful otter]

everyone refers to him as he

[real silo]

"bbgirl can you please upgrade my armor"

[sleek halo]

But does Draedon refer to himself like that

[proven fossil]

i thought it was because of the 🐝s

[graceful otter]

any robot that uses pronouns that arent theythem are trans

prove me wrong

[hollow dagger]

bees nuts

[pliant ruin]

no that was a government lie

it was actually because of yharims raging homophobia

[sleek halo]

I think Draedon just literally does not care

As long as it simplifies things

Why bother

[hollow dagger]

yeah draedon accidentally wandered into the sigma male reddits

[solar wharf]

realistically draedon wouldnt miss an opportunity to work on auric

[hollow dagger]

and this made him homophoboic

homo

homophobic

[real silo]

homo habilis

[hollow dagger]

and this is what really caused them to break up

[sleek halo]

He’d just be confused as to what the fuck they’re talking a out

[hollow dagger]

like if you cry every time

[proven fossil]

how exactly did draedon work with auric without getting zapped by auric rejection?

[graceful otter]

draedon isnt homophobic

he doesnt care if one is homophobic

[sleek halo]

“you’re incredibly average, what do you mean sigma?”

[solar wharf]

wasnt that confirmed LMAO

[graceful otter]

i mean

homosexual

fuck

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[sleek halo]

he probably doesn’t care if they’re homophobic either

LOL

as long as you provide use to him

[pliant ruin]

draedon canonically #1 idgaf truther

[sleek halo]

why care

[pliant ruin]

he'd see it as illogical but not give a shit

much like

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

how he saw yharim's rage at the bees illogical

[sleek halo]

“Your hate is irrational, but you do have something I want.”

[hollow dagger]

the virgin yharim vs the chad draedon

[solar wharf]

(he still does not know what he has done wrong btw)

[sleek halo]

Yeah

I mean he literally cannot empathize

[real silo]

he's so cluelesspilled

[hollow dagger]

😨

[solar wharf]

he in the draetalk literally said "idk why he kicked me out that day"

[hollow dagger]

so saucypilled

[sleek halo]

He’s an ai so

[real silo]

actual dummy

[hollow dagger]

what is a draetalk

[real silo]

what is an aiso

[sleek halo]

you talk to draedon

[hollow dagger]

whats is a what

[pliant ruin]

hmm i wonder why yharim hates me. maybe its the fact i put a living being into eternal physical and mental torment

[mighty zenith]

"Empathy? Sounds wasteful. I'd rather spend my time working than worrying over such ridiculous concepts."

[sleek halo]

^

[pliant ruin]

talking to draedon

you can do it

withj the codebrasekrt

gklnm[ m

ç
m

Çkm,p

pkmkp0

kp,o

[sleek halo]

True

[hollow dagger]

:gigadraedonchad:

[mighty zenith]

so true oomphie

[real silo]

empathy is a big part of charisma

[sleek halo]

Kill this man

[mighty zenith]

[real silo]

that's why draedon is a god damn nerd who doesn't go out and have relationships

[sleek halo]

Annihilate him

[hollow dagger]

ohhh you mean the draedon dating sim ending?

[solar wharf]

draedon literally tries to justify and tries to understand us by saying "dw i will fix this"

"dw i dont want to do this"

hes trying to get on our good side

[proven fossil]

didnt evem spell oomfie correctly smh

[sleek halo]

I’m so Draedone with your shit

[solar wharf]

like how he did with yharim

[mighty zenith]

you dare use my own spells against me potter?

[hollow dagger]

"dw pookiebear ill fix this"

[real silo]

Didn't even spell even correctly smh

[solar wharf]

DAMN

that would convince me

giving draedon whatever he wants

[pliant ruin]

honestly

[sleek halo]

Now you must face the spinning ares move

but with the lag of DoG

[mighty zenith]

NOO DONT PUT ME IN THE BLENDER

[pliant ruin]

i don't think draedon is trying to manipulate us by trying to get on our own good side cuz the terrarian lores up to the player and thus they might notcare at all or be evil and want to destroy the sunken sea or sometyhing

instead

[sleek halo]

prepare to get blended

idiot

[mighty zenith]

[real silo]

What if we teach draedong brimstone magic

[hollow dagger]

i love how i can just open up to this channel and say something and then spark a discussion

truely the best of communities

[sleek halo]

I don’t think you can even

nust

I don’t think he views manipulation as necessary

[mighty zenith]

crazy how lore disc is currently the least toxic place in the server

[sleek halo]

or worth his time

[hollow dagger]

lol

[sleek halo]

he seems like the type to only tell you the truth

[real silo]

me when people are passionate about something and love discussing it

[sleek halo]

if asked the right questions

[solar wharf]

but how would draedon realize that? its safer to assume that we have morals

[mighty zenith]

draedon would either tell the truth or not say anything

[hollow dagger]

its just people saying "yo so gay right?" "yes." "okay but how?" "idk heres a funny answer" "good day" "good day"

[mighty zenith]

tbh

[solar wharf]

i also wouldnt call it manipulation

just moreso him trying

to explain himself

[sleek halo]

yeah

[hollow dagger]

i love lore disc

[solar wharf]

so we dont get the wrong idea

[proven fossil]

i mean considering we could likely kill him if we wanted to it would be unwise to lie and manipulate us

[real silo]

yeah this

[pliant ruin]

i think in draedon's head he might just be doing it because he views wasting resources or destroying things that could be studied stupid

[pliant ruin]

yeah this is more in line w what i think

[solar wharf]

why would he tell us that if both parties not gain anything, specially an emotionless being

i think hes explaining himself

[real silo]

In the end his goal is a noble one

[solar wharf]

so we dont get the wrong idea

[real silo]

He's just misguided because he doesn't have the capacity for empathy

[hollow dagger]

i think draedon i just

the realest character in calamity lore

[wheat walrus]

I'll make a 3d model of you in blender

[solar wharf]

and he would only ever do that with people who he wants to be on good terms

[mighty zenith]

:plumg:

[pliant ruin]

actually that's calamitas because she's a loser just like me

[real silo]

this implies you're good at something

[pliant ruin]

i'm good at uhhh walking

[mighty zenith]

the realest characters are braelor and statis (they're gay

[pliant ruin]

i can walk good

with my two legs

[real silo]

oh yeah?

[pliant ruin]

that i have

yup

[real silo]

Well I can walk BETTER than you

[pliant ruin]

i can also write ''evil egg" atleast 5 times

evil egg evil egg evil egg evill egg evil,

fuck thats 4

nvm

[buoyant inlet]

The realest character me because I'm real in the calamity mod na telefone

[mighty zenith]

i can write evil egg 6 times

stupid

[pliant ruin]

actually no its 3 i mispelled one as evill egg

[spring helm]

Egg

[real silo]

devilled eggs

[spring helm]

Calamegg

Egglamitas

[mighty zenith]

what if draedon laid an egg

[buoyant inlet]

You would hatch

[proven fossil]

draedegg

[real silo]

the dreaded exo egg

[mighty zenith]

🤯 ** **

[real silo]

and the exomelette

[spring helm]

Draedon did you lay this egg?

[buoyant inlet]

No way Garbo non ping reply

[real silo]

evil garbo

[wheat walrus]

DRAEDON DOES NOT LAY EGGS

[spring helm]

Throudon bird change

[buoyant inlet]

I am troodon now

Which is basically an owl

Just bigger

[real silo]

you will never be truedon

[buoyant inlet]

And can't fly

[spring helm]

I have my doubts on that

[proven fossil]

fakedon

[buoyant inlet]

Watch me

[real silo]

Nuh uh

[hollow dagger]

okay hear me out

[real silo]

I'm going to bed and you won't be observed

[hollow dagger]

i fogot

[spring helm]

Goodnight Ryougi Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai

[real silo]

I would never be her

[spring helm]

🥺

[spring helm]

Rember

[hollow dagger]

i cakmnt

[real silo]

this is to say I do not want to be her

[hollow dagger]

whos her

[spring helm]

👧🔪

[real silo]

person in my pfp

[hollow dagger]

oh

[wheat walrus]

wulg

[hollow dagger]

is that stveve minecraft

[real silo]

Anyways have a bad night

[wheat walrus]

dog solos goku neg diff fr fr 🗿🍷 (I'm not making it out of the tartarean depths of hell)

[spring helm]

Dog beats kid goku Fr Fr

Actually

He negs current goku

[buoyant inlet]

Dog beats me to death

[spring helm]

What does goku have now since Super?

God ki

[leaden bridge]

Goku literally murders everything in calamity

[spring helm]

What is goku’s current strongest technique?

[wheat walrus]

dog negs xeno goku 🗿🍷

[spring helm]

Ultra instinct

[leaden bridge]

It's nowhere near fair

[spring helm]

And what’s ultra instinct?

[hollow dagger]

i forgot this was calamity and thought yall were talking about an actual dog

[buoyant inlet]

Also the water is normally liquid

[spring helm]

A technique of the gods

Bro’s the Devourer of Gods

[wheat walrus]

[spring helm]

DoG solos

[hollow dagger]

i mean

either way

DoG solos goku, and a Dog solos goku

[leaden bridge]

Goku would win against Xeroc limbless blindfolded and without a lower jaw and Xeroc wouldn't stand a chance

[hollow dagger]

i mean yeah

hes like the player

he has plot armor

[leaden bridge]

Even outside of plot armor Goku has fought some fellas out there who destroy planets dog can't do that

[wheat walrus]

yeah jokes aside Goku straight up oneshots of all of calamity 10000 times over with one attack in base form lmao

[hollow dagger]

hi guys! im goku! watch me trip and wipe out an entire galaxy! whoopsies! time to go eat, im hungry!

[solar wharf]

is laser fish draedons invention

[hollow dagger]

yes.

[leaden bridge]

Yes

[hollow dagger]

next question

[spring helm]

What do you guys think the nanovirus in the jungle will turn into

Since Draedon says it’s been evolving rapidly

[devout grove]

I’m hoping it will lead into some lore that will bring out Yharim

[leaden bridge]

We don't think any of those things will happen within playtime

[devout grove]

Maybe it will cause a post mood lord jungle boss

[graceful otter]

i love making cyborg fish

[leaden bridge]

In any case we'd assume it'll just continue being parasitic

[leaden bridge]

They're not adding more bosses (outside yharim Xeroc/noxus ofc)

[untold bluff]

Why doesn't the terrarian just wait out for yharim to die of old age

[languid badge]

Real

[brisk frigate]

We don't know how long yharim got left

He could have decades left to live

[languid badge]

And? We’re almost certainly younger than him
Just play the waiting game

[zealous pier]

maybe the grave of light keeps him alive

he's been around for over 600 years now

[zealous pier]

well i mean by this information he probly doesnt need it

[buoyant inlet]

Thats draedon isnt it

Yharim is around 130 yo

[solar wharf]

yharim is around 130

[brisk frigate]

Depends on the players ideas of the terrarian, and with that you can say your terrarian wait for yharim to die by old age

[solar wharf]

draedon confirmed hes 6 centuries so draedon is the one thats 600

[abstract marten]

Is the new lore technically incomplete?

[mighty zenith]

publically only around 15% of it is complete

[abstract marten]

Gotcha

Cause I am just really bothered by scal's role in the new story being very undefined atm

[zealous pier]

oh i thought draedon joined the crusade 20 years after he showed up not when the crusade started

mb

[buoyant inlet]

Maybe more? i feel like draetalk revealed a lot

[mighty zenith]

yeah there isnt much to her currently
sso and bco should make her role more defined

[zealous pier]

yeah scal needs the draedon treatment cuz it seems like they've tried to build her lore around the incredibly outdated context of the fight

it makes very little sense anymore

[abstract marten]

I honestly dont see why they dont just keep old aspects of the lore with her

Why not just keep her allegience to yharim until you beat her like before

Otherwise her boss theme is just going to not fit anymore

[zealous pier]

"yeah i gotta stop you now because i HATE you but only if you craft this altar and activate it at a time of your choosing, also when you win i'll give you some shit and move into your house because thats normal for people who lose a fight"

[brisk frigate]

It does btw

[abstract marten]

Exactly

[brisk frigate]

Still canon

[abstract marten]

How so? She isnt trying to protect what yharim built anymore

[zealous pier]

like draedon makes at least a little sense because he thinks ur interesting and just wants to test you but calamitas is just like "nah idrc anymore now give me a fucking living space"

[zealous pier]

no

[brisk frigate]

It is

[zealous pier]

the choir def isnt but the dokuro singing bit still makes a little sense

[brisk frigate]

The song is still canon

[zealous pier]

scal stopped working for yharim after he told her to kill her only father figure (permafrost)

so he couldnt have told her to go kill you

[brisk frigate]

She still feels like she's under yharims thumb

And she sees you as a threat

A potential second yharim

But eventually stops fighting the losing battle

[abstract marten]

I just dont see why the lore needs to be changed to be inconsistent with the literal best and most recognizable theme in the mod

[solar wharf]

altar isnt canon, most boss summong items arent

she comes to fight you

[mighty zenith]

her current dialogue is outdated and really does not bring anything interesting to her character

[brisk frigate]

Just hoping you aren't a second yharim

[solar wharf]

its just gameplay purposes

[brisk frigate]

Feels like

[zealous pier]

yharim's words btw ^

[brisk frigate]

Mentally

[abstract marten]

Ok but she isnt sent to kill you then so its inconsistent

[zealous pier]

yeah obviously she hates herself we've always had this established

[abstract marten]

And also no stakes to the fight she just mistakes you for being another yharim