Why do I suddenly feel funny as if I was drunk?
#suggestions-discussion
eternal escarp
last i used them both Flamethrower was pretty much stronger and more practical but i can check Meowthrower eventually
another one to the list after Spectre Rifle
small timber
@tiny minnow while I am not oppose to the idea of the suggestion, I do think the suggestion is worded abit, strangely?
the title mentioned NPC Spawn Multiplier which I thought is referring to the config to make NPC spawns 10x more frequently but apparently the body is just to say "travelling merchant should spawn more often"
and ya, 3-5% increased chance will not really change anything, eventhough the consideration is for it to not be broken
I think it will be much more efficient to say, introduce a mechanic that will make travelling merchant spawn more frequently, whether for it being a craftable item, reaching certain point of progression, activable item or whatever
tiny minnow
Ah, fair
small timber
I mean, isnt the suggestion kinda contradict itself? not sure
since half of it do mention that just having only a few factory early on will generate way more than enough for the usage of the entire game (unless you try to speedrun the game); while the later half of the suggestion says that "for QoL the player should have easier accessibility to a resource that is already abundant"
the draedon labs are intended to be explored on progression, with the first one being the sunken sea/desert scourge one so you have access to them rather early, or at the very least the space planetoid is also available straight away
and you really don't need a large amount of factories, I found even 4 is enough for the entire game, and while factories are non-renewable they are also not spent; they will only disappear if the player specifically choose to not bring it or to delete it (which tbh will be the player's fault), and in worst case creating a new world is still possible
orchid cairn
its mostly just that it isnt renewable
unborn oriole
I'm p sure almost everbody (except rogues because tracking disc) gets the space Schematic and gets the rest after realizing they need the Auric cooling cell
small timber
they hopefully will be improving the tooltip on the schematics itself to hint the next location so that acquiring the schematics are more hinted and streamlined, but ya for renewability, I think it will be better if it is related to Draedon's Lab thing rather than Cyborg tbh
hot zephyr
I don't think more things need to be added to shops
There's already an overabundance of the game that's just sold for nothing
small timber
since the current suggestion is you can get the factories and cells without ever touching a lab
hot zephyr
You could just suggest a recipe for factories, using lab components tbh
small timber
ya ^
gaunt tiger
does the calval npc not sell power cell factories
small timber
calval is separated from cal so probably do not exactly count I think
(to certain degree it is an external mods, despite having calamity in the name)
hot zephyr
calamity English translation suggestion
gusty aspen
honestly I kinda wish we had Armageddon back.. why was it removed, anyway?
ripe owl
Because why did we need it anyway
gusty aspen
being able to do no-hits without having to grab an extra mod to do so. I also liked the reward of extra treasure bags for doing said nohit.
ripe owl
The feature was removed before the Arma got
It was removed because everyone used it only for farming money
And now that you don't need that much money
Why would you ever need to farm
ripe owl
And now that you don't need that much money
Hell, on my ranged playthrough I had more money than I needed
ripe owl
okay, fair, but still. I liked having the true MAD mode.
That's exactly why they were removed
So that people won't do any acronyms
Actually that's a joke but I still find it kinda neat
inner anvil
So that people won't do any acronyms
Okay, that wasn't the exact reason, that was just a joke.
ripe owl
I know
frail mantle
honestly I kinda wish we had Armageddon back.. why was it removed, anyway?
the mod is moving away from having fifteen thousand different difficulties
ripe owl
Well basically this
inner anvil
We don't need it, it's bloat!
frail mantle
hence why armageddon, iron heart and defiled were killed, and in the next update, malice as well
inner anvil
Rev and Death will stay forever though, don't worry.
ripe owl
Wait wdym, malice is gettin killed?
quiet kernel
Yes
hot zephyr
malice is removed in the next patch
ripe owl
But, I mean, it doesn't serve any purpose anyway
It's just "faster and more annoying bosses"
inner anvil
It's purpose was Legendary Weapons, those got removed, why have it?
gusty aspen
I hope they at least just make Malice be put into death mode, or something.
inner anvil
No.
ripe owl
It was added for Legendary and Challenge Drops
But then everyone started complaining
And devs made them regular drops
But then everyone stated complaining again
gusty aspen
Ig that's good. Will Nighttime providence still be a thing?
inner anvil
Yes.
gusty aspen
good. I love that fight, it's honestly my favorite, from the fight itself, to how it looks, everything.
unborn oriole
I used to think that malice could use the 5 extra back that armaggedon had, it was a rematch mode after all
So why not more challenge for more reward at a time?
But eh
ripe owl
good. I love that fight, it's honestly my favorite, from the fight itself, to ho...
Why would it be removed? It was added before the Malice
ripe owl
Everyone does that anyway
unborn oriole
Yeah
fossil finch
I'm p sure almost everbody (except rogues because tracking disc) gets the space ...
This people are officially cringe
fossil finch
And we can OFFICIALLY pay no attention to them
fossil finch
noh*tters don't like malice already
cobalt pewter
even within n*hitters only one really liked Malice
ripe owl
noh*tters don't like malice already
Do they?
inner anvil
Only people that are doing Malice playthroughts could complain.
fossil finch
Jareto crying
frail mantle
nerd egg
ripe owl
...well that didn't say a lot
gaunt tiger
back in the day
legendary weapons dropped on rev
swift wharf
back in the day
they dropped from any enemy
grim tusk
I'm p sure almost everbody (except rogues because tracking disc) gets the space ...
Taser also epic (esp back when unstable prism was bugged as fuck)
Star swallower is also good
swift wharf
t2 stuff is also really good
grim tusk
Frequency manipulator my beloved
swift wharf
mounted scanner 
grim tusk
T3 has some of the weapons of all time
swift wharf
t3 has the uh
grim tusk
Gatling laser 
Gauss Rifle
swift wharf
True
grim tusk
Gatling laser is legit viable til OD (it loves chaos stone and magnet flower as well as manual mana potions or astral injection if not using flower)
Gauss rifle is not as meme-ish but should still shred Deus
eternal escarp
she is alrrady heavily crippled in speed when she dods that attack 
frosty trellis
Just fight her in hell and you won't have that issue
Smpgh
Elysian Aegis is better than the wings regardless
frail mantle
exo gladius will not be revived
steep kettle
Just fight her in hell and you won't have that issue
even in malice?
frail mantle
there is planned to be some sort of replacement melee exo tier weapon (although it might not be a shortsword)
solemn dust
Exo Baghnakhs 
hollow shell
@terse plume Jesus, dude
You know you're not allowed to suggest new boss fights right
frail mantle
also you don't really explain anything about why endgame should be changed
orchid briar
I feel like this hits so many dont's all at once
hollow shell
People complain about Calamity late-game being too much of a boss-rush without enough inter-boss content, which is an issue we plan on eventually remedying
The solution is not to add 5 more boss fights
inner anvil
This guy does not like testers at all.
eternal escarp
i think the main issue is they treat post ml as an actual post endgame as if this wpuld be vanilla
worthy lintel
what is a tester to begin with
inner anvil
No shit I'm testing 5 more boss fights, deez nuts.
frail mantle
you kinda just state that endgame is "an issue for every game out there obviously" without elaborating on how or why
inner anvil
Or how is that even true...
eternal escarp
well, it couod be true depending on what is wrong
but the sugg likely wpuldnt fix any possible issue
eternal escarp
pgome typing at 12 am
inner anvil
And plus this guy did the "Throw suggestion and go away".
subtle sapphire
what is a tester to begin with
A miserable little pile of secrets ! 🍷
worthy lintel
i wouldn't call ditch dong just yet
orchid briar
Actually they're asking for 5 bosses plus complete overhauls for 5 regular bosses
worthy lintel
give them 15 minutes
subtle sapphire
Gotta say this suggestion is badly written, it gives me a headache to try to parse it
inner anvil
I just gave up on the first phrase.
worthy lintel
(careful to not dogpile though)
inner anvil
Spider.
worthy lintel
Memes.
inner anvil
🤝
worthy lintel
🤝
hollow shell
I can kinda tell that they're like
This is something they themselves have been thinking about a lot, so they understand all the context of whatever they're saying
And when writing the suggestion they did not consider the average public perspective
orchid briar
It seems to be mostly legible, aside from the QOL boss drops at the beginning
terse plume
The why didn't quite fit, and I'm not exactly an experienced discord user but the portion I took out was:
Endgame is an issue for every game out there obviously. Keep in mind I am not a designer but just consider this for a moment.
The last few bosses in most games drop powerful loot (obviously as a reward), but almost always trivializes the remaining content if any.
So really what's the point? Especially if you melt everything after that, and end with very little time using said items for anything
challenging or purposeful.
hollow shell
🤔
Are you talking from a "games in general" standpoint, or Calamity specifically?
Have you.. played the mod?
orchid briar
I think the difference is that Post-ml isn't really endgame for calamity
eternal escarp
provi drops trivialize sentinels or polterghast?
terse plume
that's in general yes
inner anvil
We have planned on the future to make Boss Rush not a boss melter.
hollow shell
Well more importantly, we have plans to add more world and exploration content in the Post-ML stage of the game
terse plume
as for calamity, was just an idea to give more purpose to all the powerful ish we only get nearing the last few bosses
inner anvil
We already had planned a while ago 2 superbosses after Yharim.
hollow shell
as for calamity, was just an idea to give more purpose to all the powerful ish w...
Well their current purpose is to fight the next bosses with, which they are already balanced for
eternal escarp
this infact how the game always worked
hollow shell
(Aside from Adult Eidolon Wyrm, whose drops are not on-tier, and is in fact not an intended bossfight)
eternal escarp
the same way youd fight EoL, use her drops for 2 bosses and move on
terse plume
yea it wasn't a knock on calamity, I'm having a blast in current death mode, just got to DoG, DoG is the only one I've encountered that feels superbossy
safe oasis
i think they just mean hard and cool
terse plume
as difficult as many of the fights feel, DoG at least takes time to drop
hollow shell
Under the typical definition, superbosses are very hard but optional boss fights
Usually postgame content
Not intended parts of progression
Adult Eidolon Wyrm is Calamity's current only superboss
terse plume
hardly, just watched a stream of someone killing it in a minute and a half
with nothing cheesy tbh
solemn vigil
time to beat does not equal difficulty
solemn vigil
you can beat every boss in this game in under 2 minutes if you wanted to
with on tier gear
terse plume
quick kill doesn't qualify as super either though
storm weaver probably more of a pain than that
solemn vigil
not entirely
inner anvil
Perfect moment to send this GIF.
hollow shell
Whatever, this is a weird conversation
inner anvil
hollow shell
holy shit
orchid briar
Impossible
hollow shell
Over half of that suggestion is asking for new bosses and how they would work, which is something that explicitly disallowed in the pinned Don'ts doc
terse plume
but, do you all default to defensive smart assery or actually look into suggestion and think for a second
hollow shell
The reason why we're being aggressive is because your suggestion breaks the rules, lmao
inner anvil
^
terse plume
you shoot it down asap with a bad tone
orchid briar
Many of them
inner anvil
You can't just suggest that lmao, if it was like that I could suggest 10 boss fights.
solemn vigil
you shoot it down asap with a bad tone
because it's bad
hollow shell
eternal escarp
usually sugg that break the rules get marked snd then discussed about yes
sometimes to help the suggestor fix them if possible
terse plume
suggestion isn't an order
solemn vigil
I don't know what people who submit suggestions aimed at the creative department of the mod expect
hollow shell
But we have rules for suggestions, Akira.
terse plume
it's putting an idea out there, and if the devs see some of it they like, maybe they'd think about
you all giving me a hard time is silly
worthy lintel
Ok let's not get this out of hand just yet
@terse plume your suggestion is getting blasted because its one of the biggest Don't of the suggestion channel. I'd prefer if you didn't take it as a personal attack, because it's just a global rule
hollow shell
The devs already know which boss fights they are going to add to the mod in the future
worthy lintel
Everyone gets told the same
hollow shell
Yharim will be the final boss
Noxus and Xeroc will be the postgame Superbosses
terse plume
well you might want to remember not everyone is as experienced on discord with all the rules and what not
hollow shell
We made it so suggesting new bosses is against the rules, because the devs are never ever going to add a new boss from a community suggestion
terse plume
i saw the channel, had some thoughts, and through it out there
terse plume
is literally all, everybody too eager to bash, take it easy tho
I'll keep in mind for next time, although unlikely to make another suggestion
solemn vigil
well atleast now you know
worthy lintel
Thing is
When you have to repeat the existence of the Don't doc hundreds of times, people can get impatient
hollow shell
I guess take this as a learning experience to read the channel description and pins
frail mantle
the tone some people in this channel have when pointing out that suggestions break rules is excessive sometimes
solemn vigil
the tone some people in this channel have when pointing out that suggestions bre...
how do you have 'tone' in a discord chat
worthy lintel
passive agressiveness
terse plume
Just odd to have a suggestion area, but "we only want certain types of suggestions"
frail mantle
but it is still preferred that you read the suggestions rules to get a grasp of what types of things you can and can't suggest
terse plume
I've learned, yes the hard way it seems
hollow shell
Just odd to have a suggestion area, but "we only want certain types of suggestio...
I understand, but there's a reason for that.
orchid briar
Just odd to have a suggestion area, but "we only want certain types of suggestio...
Well there has to be rules
hollow shell
All the suggestion rules currently in place used to be allowed, and were suggested, but the devs have decided that they are never going to implement suggestions of that variety
for each respective rule
drowsy plank
i think my favorite part of this sugg is the aspect part like. tell me you havent played calamity without telling me you havent played calamity.
Yharon<-Dragonfolly
DoG<-The Sentinels
SCal<-Cal Clone
Exo Mechs<-Mecha Mayhem
Adult Eidolon Wyrm<- ...Eidolon Wyrm (and kinda Lunatic Cultist?)
like the idea of seeing the attacks these bosses use but weaker is something that is already in the game
orchid briar
Shoot, I never realized that is exactly how the mod works
crude geode
DoG sentinels is more thematic tbfh
drowsy plank
of course, but cal clone and dragonfolly are definetly fairly close to the idea, but ill admit mecha mayhem and the miniboss Eidolon Wyrm are a bit of a stretch
fallen plover
Bro really suggested remaking the entire mod basically
burnt condor
I do agree with akira’s observation that people can be disproportionately hard on the suggestions the come through here just based on my own lurking, not everyone’s gonna know the ins and outs of every aspect of the mod and server. but also this is suggesting to rework an entire segment of the game for very little practical reason, which is a rather reasonable thing to protest
I think structural suggestions are best applied to your own projects rather than to a preestablished and still in progress thing y’know?
worthy lintel
we don't expect people to know everything, but we do expect people to read the pins so they avoid running in that exact issue
burnt condor
yeah! that’s just common sense I think. read the rules or watch to see the rules in action
frosty trellis
Yeah
I've made a couple suggestions myself, but only after reading the pins extensively bc this kind of stuff doesn't work
Also, why rework endgame when it's fine as is?
worthy lintel
because the Don't doc is not made to trap/confuse people, its pretty explicit
but
you may still ask questions about why
frosty trellis
LOL
I've always been careful to not get flagged or anything, probably overly so
But the doc is very clear
Also, love the exo gladius saying to add something else back in "Auric Tier" when it's Draedon tier 
worthy lintel
also, incase anyone silently wondered
everyone in the list of testers that are pingeable voluntarily signed up for it after discussion in dev server
so huh
dont hesitate
hot zephyr
mega endgame suggestion tactically placed to direct discussion away from the exo gladius post
frosty trellis
LOL
I haven't had anything else to ask a tester about except maybe Hellwing Staff, but I'm fairly certain they know that Hellwing is abit broken rn lmao
Just remember getting it on my mage run then using it until I got fridflash bolt
fossil finch
buff coral sprout you weaklings
hot zephyr
That's not too crazy
hot zephyr
buff coral sprout you weaklings
already known
fossil finch
buff most of early mage really its kinda funny how it sucks
frosty trellis
Frost bolt is pog, but fair
hot zephyr
the reworked wulfrum mage weapon is really good stfu
fossil finch
like some weapons are fine like idk diamond staff but other make you want to commit unholy actions
hot zephyr
fossil finch
frost bolt is pog but it deals little damage
frosty trellis
Amber staff rework is also good
crude geode
Frost bolt is boring
fossil finch
i found other things better against literally everything that was not eoc or ds
crude geode
Frost bolt is boring
As well as it’s fire counterpart
We already have flower of fire and frost
fossil finch
the reworked wulfrum mage weapon is really good stfu
cant wait for ibanplay to showcase it on the twitter platform
hot zephyr
but it's consistent
hot zephyr
cant wait for ibanplay to showcase it on the twitter platform
@ ibanplay do not showcase it ender is watching
crude geode
Consistency gamers when I consistently bash their heads into a wall
fossil finch
to be completely fair cursed, flower of fire and frost absolutely and completely suck
frosty trellis
I think I used frost bolt for eye then got sky glaze for brain/eater then breezed through the rest of phm with Hellwing Staff
fossil finch
and have absolutely no use ever in the game because they just fucking suck
rushing hell after evils
zzzzzzzzz
frosty trellis
I mean
fossil finch
objectively worse way to play the game
frosty trellis
LMAO
hot zephyr
i have spent like 8 hours in my current playthrough just building and play around with the wulfrum gear
fossil finch
this is exactly why i cannot way exactly 11 days
swift wharf
objectively worse way to play the game
stop dying to demons
frosty trellis
It's 11 days until the new update?
fossil finch
i dont die to demons
itll release in august yes
because it is literally forced to because tmod update
crude geode
and have absolutely no use ever in the game because they just fucking suck
Me when a weapon performs badly against bosses (it must suck)
frosty trellis
Ic
Fair
Gonna be fun to play around later then
Is that when malice is getting removed as well?
hot zephyr
i love you wulfrum screwdriver
fossil finch
Me when a weapon performs badly against bosses (it must suck)
if you wanna use it against enemies you can just get literally everything else for fire flower and cursed flames for frost flower
Or ichor
swift wharf
where's the ultrakill quarter launcher
fossil finch
Is that when malice is getting removed as well?
yes
or mabe not
idk malice dying was a leak
i don't know if they've actually settled on removing it yet
but yes probably
frosty trellis
if you wanna use it against enemies you can just get literally everything else f...
For flower of fire, Hellwing Staff is right there and is better for enemies as well, considering you get several hits at once
For frost flower and cursed flames, fridflash bolt is right there and is easy to craft lmao.
And posiedon is great for mech bosses and astral enemies since they can be annoying
From my experience
frosty trellis
That too
crude geode
i love you wulfrum screwdriver
I stg if it gets reworked to be more boring like gamma heart did I will cry
fossil finch
)glorius end oneshots every hardmode eney
frosty trellis
I don't personally use glorious end
frosty trellis
But it's funny regardless
hot zephyr
its good
crude geode
No, what happened to gamma heart was a tragedy
fossil finch
I stg if it gets reworked to be more boring like gamma heart did I will cry
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
hot zephyr
I'm talking about woolrum
how tf do you rework weapons with no unique qualities to be worse
fossil finch
wulfrum screwdriver rework is literally public
hot zephyr
it's a melee weapon with a unique swing animation and cool skill based effect
crude geode
There was no rework in the first place I’m referring to in the future
frosty trellis
Why would a fun and unique weapon get reworked regardless?
fossil finch
me casually hitting the screw 80 times to deal more damage than scarlet devil )Completely normal
frosty trellis
Isn't the point of the mod's weapons now being quality over quantity?
fossil finch
cursed is paranoid because gamma heart happened )its the only example in the whole history of calamity
inner anvil
Beep.
crude geode
I just don’t understand changing gamma heart
hot zephyr
gamma heart wasn't even good to begin with revisionist history
fossil finch
nooo but you see it fired deathrays
hot zephyr
wow
frosty trellis
Just use ethereal subjugator instead and then fly up and down and up and down during the DoG fight while holding a portal gun. Much more consistent strat and you don't even have to do acid rain for it
fossil finch
we should count how many sexoblade jokes are done when the rework is released
frosty trellis
Exoblade is finally getting reworked?
fossil finch
because the rework will be sexo )it has become an alternative to lets fucking go in the spanish community
yes
fossil finch
nooo but the projectile broadsword
frail mantle
the rework is interesting
fossil finch
it's a dom brand rework so itll be interesting yeah
frosty trellis
I want to see the rework when it comes out
fossil finch
i wonder how it'll perform
crude geode
the rework is interesting
Me whenever I see a reworked weapon
orchid briar
It means it's Dom brand
fossil finch
it means it was made by dom
inner anvil
Dom, known as Dominic, is a developer from Calamity.
fossil finch
most recent reworks are made mostly by iban who is just in the full calamity grind
frosty trellis
Sorry, not familiar with the dev team yet
inner anvil
Who's on this case reworking Exoblade.
crude geode
Sorry, not familiar with the dev team yet
That’s fine
fossil finch
its fine like 80% of them arent important )ive rarely ever seen them talking
hot zephyr
exoblade good
crude geode
Which weapon rework is the most weapon rework of all time
hot zephyr
What
inner anvil
I agree with him.
frosty trellis
Huh
inner anvil
It was changed some while ago.
crude geode
It changed from death beam to canister spam
fossil finch
did you guys know bright enough lights make your character's skin white
inner anvil
Did you know that the Silva Crystal makes you green?
fossil finch
yeah
crude geode
~~It breaks the lightning engine.~~
Incredible
inner anvil
We changed the weapon because it was buggy as fuck basically.
vapid crane
I just looked at a video of it and it doesn't look that bad as people say it is
grim tusk
Why do so many people have skill issue on holy ray attack?
Although it can indeed be somewhat annoying on mp
hot zephyr
future bosses 2 suggestion edition
crude geode
that's honestly what it reminded me of
also i stg a good chunk of #suggestions-posting should just. develop their own mod.
subtle sapphire
Why develop mod when can whip cal devs to do it for us
use the firecracker on the dev team NOW MAKE FIVE MORE BOSSES, PEONS !
fallen plover
Making bosses takes hella time
Especially end game ones with huge sprites and complex attacks
fossil bronze
wdym, you just gotta press the "make boss" button
fallen plover
I don’t think any are needed for now, there is plenty of content elsewhere to focus on
Such as ironing out the 1.4 kinks
unborn plume
Hollow Knight has good endgame 
drowsy plank
calamity doesnt even have an endgame cause the game isnt done yet lmao
long ridge
@eternal escarp Can you test Glorious End on Cryogen and on the mechs? It seems too strong for a pre-boss hardmode weapon.
fossil finch
Maybe make the explosion deal damage
It deals 1 damage with armor on expert death at the stage and it's easy to make you get hit by the explosion rather than the enemies' contact damage
long ridge
It deals 1 damage with armor on expert death at the stage and it's easy to make ...
The explosion does more damage in normal mode, for some reason, according to the wiki.
The main drawback to this weapon was supposed to be it's recoil damage, but it ends up being a benefit
As you obtain 100 frames of immunity while taking a negligible amount of damage
violet pivot
knowing how fast post ml pickaxes are would calamity ever think on adding their drill variants?
crude geode
please don’t put bug reports in suggestions @unborn plume
hollow shell
Aw but Nuclear Fury is one of Fabsol's personal weps
It's the one he donated into Thorium Mod
kindred creek
then why is the wepon ocean themed?
hollow shell
Because Razorblade Typhoon
fossil finch
Boring people wanting boring names
Let it be nuclear fury
Who cares it's not an ocean themed name
Also vortexes and maelstroms are not inherently ocean related so like
Xd
kindred creek
maelstrom is literally another name for a wirlpool
gray nebula
No, what happened to gamma heart was a tragedy
jesse
.
gonna re rework (unrework) gamma heart now
just because i am spiteful but in a positive way
i will be awaiting the gitgudwo video signing the praises of the rereworked one
i need to research why it got unworked in the first place actually
twas kindof a silly occurence wasnt it
hollow shell
I do not know the reason why it happened
(or if I did know the reason at one point, I've forgotten)
gray nebula
mus have been b*lance testers
well apparently it was also lag and graphical bugs but me (good person) would never make any mistakes (bugs)
just gonna ask to be sure
but yes no trust me i am too cool to let anyone touch my awesome weapons and dework them
small timber
@pastel crow sorry for ping, if possible may you test Terrarian with yoyo bag? I am pretty sure the projectiles have i-frame problem which cause (most of) the secondary projectile from Yoyo Bag just unable to hit if the primary projectile from the main yoyo is hitting
terrarian is pretty much only carried by the (absurdly) high base damage and yoyo bag still increasing the yoyo's ability to catch against mobile enemy because terrarian is a relatively non-agile yoyo
I wanted to at least try to provide some stats myself but testing on providence have a bit of variance for me (due to healer guardians, defense guardian kill time etc)
drowsy plank
couldnt you do enraged provi since she has no guardians? idk if TDR would get in the way of that but ur testing if it's underpowered anyway so idk
small timber
tdr will definitely get in the way I think, since as long as your weapon can kill it before 4 minutes it will always become 4 minutes
pastel crow
<@417390376350121986> sorry for ping, if possible may you test Terrarian with yo...
I don't mind pings, its kind of my job to do this stuff
and yes, Terrarian has always and still does have iframe conflicts. it was balanced around that fact
It is something personally I would like to have changed though I believe it would require an IL edit if I'm not mistaken, which is not fun to do.
but anyways, yes we know about that, and no, a fix is not guaranteed any time soon
small timber
oh ya, if it will requires IL edit it is definitely not worth it, my worry is pretty much just because a previous suggestion was accepted (though not implemented) so I thought if it is easily fixable then it should have less impact, TQ for input 👍
#suggestions-voting message (the suggestion in question, since if this is implemented having iframe conflict from secondary vs primary projectile from terrarian will mean possible super low or super high damage)
minor shell
am i allowed to suggest that empress of light doesnt stay as far away from the player as she does rn?
hollow shell
I think you could suggest that yes.
minor shell
I think you could suggest that yes.
alright. i only ask because the rules say its not allowed to suggest stuff to make subclass playthroughs easier, but i just think that as it is right now, eol is impossible on true melee. not "really hard" but genuinely impossible
hollow shell
True melee is one of the only grey areas for that Don't
Because in a wayyy it is a subclass, but also in a wayyy it's more like a group of subclasses, or a playstyle I guess??
minor shell
i just dont wanna get in trouble for suggesting something im not allowed to really
hollow shell
(Limiting yourself only to true melee weapons is still a self-imposed challenge which that Don't is intended to not cater to)
minor shell
sorry im smoothbrain, so i will or wont get in trouble for suggesting it?
hollow shell
Yeah sorry it's just that I don't really know, myself. I haven't had to make a specific ruling for true melee regarding that Don't yet
minor shell
ill give it a shot anyways. hopefully i can make a good enough case to not get it shot down instantly
hollow shell
Alright yeah sure
minor shell
Alright yeah sure
ok so the thing is i had a skill issue and she is not only completely possible but relatively easy on true melee 💀
minor shell
indeed it is
minor shell
Well, that's good news I suppose
so...funny joke, i accidentally fought her on expert which is fine and completely possible. death, however, it is not and im back to my original thought process. however, since its a two in one self imposed challenge i think ill keep the suggestion for now (and i did find a video of a person doing it true melee on death but she seems to stay closer to him than she does me; perhaps its still a skill issue). sorry for the ping (again). will be the last one of the night.
inner anvil
I do not know the reason why it happened
It broke Terraria's lightning engine.
And also so it can be more consistent, I guess.
small timber
so...funny joke, i accidentally fought her on expert which is fine and completel...
abit late but since there are boss tweaks specifically if you are holding true melee weapon (eg: skele prime, twins, scal are slower...) I think you can use that instead
so that if other players use other class of weapons they dont get affected
minor shell
abit late but since there are boss tweaks specifically if you are holding true m...
sorry i dont really follow (smooth brain); youre saying that she acts differently when im holding a true melee weapon than if im not?
small timber
some bosses act differently if you are holding a true melee weapon ye, what I said is basically if you want to make a suggestion you can suggest it so it is true melee specific
since otherwise there will be concern where she staying closer to the player will make the fight much harder (on non-true melee)
minor shell
some bosses act differently if you are holding a true melee weapon ye, what I sa...
i see. i didnt know other bosses were different with a true melee weapon in hand. (also i probably overshot how difficult it was, i managed to get her to about 30% with omniblade before daybreak)
and that was one attempt. im sure i could beat her if i really tried
small timber
not all bosses have it, but some do
minor shell
i see. well i think it fitting if she does.
unreal star
crude geode
@ashen warren no more classes are being added by cal
ashen warren
K
gaunt tiger
i will be awaiting the gitgudwo video signing the praises of the rereworked one
reworked gamma absolutely shreds polter
crude geode
lmao
true inlet
People who just joined the calamity mod discord about to suggest a class already made by another mod
hot zephyr
sunken sea clicker
small timber
calamity should add the healer class from thorium and samurai class and the jetstream sam armor set because it will be really cool
hot zephyr
so true
frail mantle
yharim won't be added for a very good while
and i'd assume the devs at that point will have a good grasp on what they want him to say
fossil finch
maelstrom is literally another name for a wirlpool
Sorry i associate it with Bloons Tower Defense Tack Tower midpath ability "Maelstrom"
ashen warren
^
crude geode
That’s a lot of scientific nonsense
hot zephyr
nuclear water
crude geode
hot zephyr
nuclear fury could be using deuterium but idk how smashing a bunch of crafting materials together allows this property
focusing too hard on theming and specifics in Terraria will make you go mad
hot zephyr
the dungeon was made by john dungeon who collected many items in his travels
small timber
meowmere
hot zephyr
it was originally going to be a museum but then he figured out he wanted to go with brick and chains
crude geode
Then he forget about it and all the caretakers died
hot zephyr
skeleton time
crude geode
💀
small timber
he wanted to raise skeletron to become the worker for the museum but gone wrong
he is just a necromancer who wanted to open a museum all along
sullen hare
Is there a john for everything in terraria
frozen hornet
Everyone is secretly a john deep down
crude geode
It’s Johns all the way down
frozen hornet
Don't forget the female version of john, jane
And the ultra secret french john
Jean
small timber
john 'yharim' wulfrum
there is no john wulfrum because he is supposed to be the final boss all along
frozen hornet
@fading sun drunk princess sells lacewings post plantera
And you can probably just use the guide to critter companionship or whatever
swift wharf
^
gaunt tiger
Jean Wulfrumme
fading sun
And you can probably just use the guide to critter companionship or whatever
you know what, i forgot about the guide to critter companionship
frozen hornet
I can understand that
It can get annoying to switch around constantly
Especially if you have vanity accs
swift wharf
most of those suggestions are probably from people who haven't played 1.4 before
fickle violet
and i'd assume the devs at that point will have a good grasp on what they want h...
fair it was just an idea cos i though it would of added some extra wow factor
gaunt tiger
"I am Yharim! Yharim John Wulfrum!"
fickle violet
as like a look how far youve come kind of thing because i like it in games when the big main bosses aknowledge what youve done and the choices you make beforehand
hollow shell
@proud plinth You need to explain why you want these recipes
What is annoying about their current obtainment method and why are the Zapinators valuable such that you want a consistent method of obtaining them
(Last I checked, the Zapinators were more or less joke items)
bright crag
Zapinators are quite decent
They're RNG weapons that can be very powerful if you get the right effects
fossil finch
Lazhar requires a zapinator
bright crag
But in my experience, they're on par with Calamity weapons unless you're specially lucky
fossil finch
Also can you guys change lazhar's name to lahzahr
It's how lihzahrd and bohldohr names work
hollow shell
@warm merlin We have plans for the Legendary items that will make their obtainment methods more interesting
And outside of specific person-dedicated items, we will never make items difficulty-exclusive again
eternal escarp
needs a starlight cell and a red lightning canister.....!!
hollow shell
(Yes that's another notable exception, the items that interact directly with Rev mechanics)
warm merlin
why zenith is post yharon?
hollow shell
((Not Flamsteed, I'm talkin bout Electrolyte Gel Pack and Infernal Blood n such))
Cuz that's where Zenith turned out to be viable with its vanilla stats
We didn't nerf it from vanilla, we just moved it
worn salmon
<@892392837205860373> We have plans for the Legendary items that will make their...
make them paywalled 
warm merlin
make them paywalled <a:pvztroll:914443848330121216>
hollow shell
Insert $4.99 directly into your computer
worn salmon
exactly
south flint
you should only be allowed to have items that reference other games if you have the other games installed on your pc
i think this would make the game more realisti
c
small timber
you need to be a patreon to use every patreon item in the mod
warm merlin
astrageldon slime back to the game
south flint
catalyst
swift wharf
We're getting only the finest suggestions it seems
proud plinth
<@759507136249462785> You need to explain why you want these recipes
What is ann...
used for getting the lazhar, its in the recipe
and i dont think i need to explain whats annoying about them
its like what a 25% chance each day for a travelling merchant to come to town and then its an additional roll of the dice whether he will actually sell the zapinator
and hell, the zapinators are really good pre hardmode because of their seemingly nonexistant damage cap
ill add this to the suggestion
hollow shell
Yes thank you that's much better
eternal escarp
ravager armor..?
hollow shell
@magic verge Reaver armor, not Ravager, that's a boss
eternal escarp
oh thats what they meant
swift wharf
Are they aware of the chloro rework
hollow shell
Not sure how this suggestion would interact with our plans for Perennial
Some parts align and some parts conflict
magic verge
hm
well, logically, im unaware of future dev plans for ores
but this sugg aids in giving chlorophyte purpose too
hollow shell
Yeah I dunno how much of the plan is public
I think we would be able to make it work even if this suggestion went through, tho
magic verge
i dont know what kind of rework perennial will undergo, but im not sure it will fix the problem of hallowed armor being directly available as chloro
and such
hollow shell
That is indeed a 🤨 vanilla moment
Two three-helm armor sets available at the same time
distant gyro
no one is supposed to know anything bout perennial afaik
but there is already work done on it :D
hollow shell
Almost as bad as three (six) three-helm armor sets at the same time just a tier before, which we fixed
Ok actually
Hang on
gray nebula
yea
i mean it does make a lot of good points
weaponry could get trimmed down a bit
if not more than a bit
distant gyro
chlorophyte armor is biggie
gray nebula
it doesnt have to be a new weapon set it can just be useful items
ie marnite and stuff
distant gyro
chlorophyte weapons not so much but vanilla ore equipment is incredibly normal
gray nebula
armors would need a slight rework to have a flashier ste bonus that really sells it to people though
hollow shell
The suggestion is requesting Chloro get moved to post-Plantera
but then uses armor bloat and superior options as an argument against Perennial being post-Plantera
Perennial is classless, but Chloro is classed
So it would have even more conflict with the post-Plant armor sets
magic verge
well, while it doesnt fix it, it would still get rid of one tier armor, also
the armor bloat in reaver armor kinda only applies to specific sets
hollow shell
the armor bloat in reaver armor kinda only applies to specific sets
Elaborate.
minor shell
do the devs have something against a manual spawner for ???
magic verge
Elaborate.
well, summoners still have nothing for that part of the game dont they
hollow shell
do the devs have something against a manual spawner for ???
Suggestions asking for that have gotten rejected before, yes
magic verge
my point is that bloat is caused by specific armour tiers, its not real bloat per se
hollow shell
well, summoners still have nothing for that part of the game dont they
That is the opposite of a bloat issue
magic verge
yes, there are 6 armour types
but the player wont have to choose between those 6
each class gets one
distant gyro
summoner has tiki/spooky
gray nebula
well then thats not bloat
minor shell
Suggestions asking for that have gotten rejected before, yes
...
distant gyro
neither are chloro derivatives but they are both post plant
magic verge
well then thats not bloat
its still bloated because it interferes with chloro, though
drowsy plank
honestly the chloro armor reworks making them directly craftable into the class specific sets alone is a big buff to the sets
magic verge
they are practically on the same tier
distant gyro
before that there is fathom swarmer, hallowed, ooa set
hollow shell
...
The reason for that is that there is a stigma against bosses having a summoning item, because it's so common and so boring
Leviathan was/is one of the few bosses that doesn't fall into that done-to-death archetype
distant gyro
note that there are a ton of armor sets in early hm
gray nebula
jesse what are you talking about
reaver isnt a class armor
its an utility armor
as i said itd probably need a cooler set bonus to really sell that
hollow shell
Oh yeah lmao Hallowed has a summoner helm, and Chloro doesn't
distant gyro
all pre-golem:
8 ore sets (cobalt-chloro)
4 ooa sets
turtle, shroomite, spectre
reaver
frost and forbidden
spider, fathom swarmer, tiki, spooky
titan heart and umbraphile
that's a whole 24
minor shell
The reason for that is that there is a stigma against bosses having a summoning ...
well, you see, it seems that at least recently people have had problems getting it to spawn. so in the event that that happens, youre out of luck. or with how worlds have been being corrupted lately making two sulfuric seas, you have to create a whole new ocean (or world) just to fight them (which is difficult because levi drops the bottomless water bucket). perhaps it could be a summon thats only obtainable through cheats, but some sort of fail safe seems logical.
eternal escarp
as i said itd probably need a cooler set bonus to really sell that
tbf the mobility one is quite gaming
the other 2 are forgettable iirc
hollow shell
well, you see, it seems that at least recently people have had problems getting ...
🤔
gray nebula
i mean yea first off the idea is to reduce it down to 2 sets cuz its eaiser
hollow shell
Not sure how I feel about adding an item to bypass a bug rather than fixing the bug itself
I mean, maybe, if that double sulf bug can't be resolved by next update
(assuming it isn't fixed already?)
magic verge
anywho, back to the point
while its true that the armour bloat post plantera point is a bit weak, its still valid since we are removing one entire tier out of there, since currently players are facing the dilemma of crafting reaver when they already have chloro (if they even crafted it in the first place), and their answer its likely going to be a no
also the sugg also addresses other issues like solving chloro pacing itself
overall, i dont have a clue of future plans for perennial, it will surely make it more interesting, but i doubt it aids on the current chloro situation
gray nebula
chloros set bonus is kinda cracked for healing and events innit
and also reaver is utility based (minus i guess the like, speedy one) so its more niche and different
for the third time i agree right now it doesnt have much ground to stand on but thats ok
hollow shell
I would say only the exploration helm is utility-based, but the other two helms are still classless
gray nebula
ytyea
itd be so awesome to make one like mobiltiy but like go harder on it (with a set bonus, i think its stats are nice) and then make the tanky regen one also work as a support armor that can work in mp thatd be so good
lofty hedge
I agree with the point that perennial is too thematically similar to chloro, both being plant based ores that relate in some fashion to the jungle. With that being said, if the recent gear set/tier reworks are anything to go off of (i.e. Victide and Wulfrum), I’d imagine that perennial might get a bit of a glow-up as well, with new colors and thematic changes, once the time comes around.
drowsy plank
itd be so awesome to make one like mobiltiy but like go harder on it (with a set...
this sounds based
fossil finch
BASED DUCK SUGG
fallen plover
Yes, it’s a good idea but still needs some ironing out
quiet girder
Facts
fallen plover
For real
drowsy plank
honestly not having to deal with chloro growing in while trying to build an early plant arena or just exploring the jungle in general would actually be quite nice
pre Drax i mean
hollow shell
@alpine scarab A few things
- Your title line needs to be the topmost line of your suggestion, and it doesn't need to be bold
- Adding a config option would be an inelegant solution for what you imply should be an intended action depending on your class. It would be better to suggest melee-exclusive equipment that mitigates armor breaking (aka defense damage), that way it's more of a part of the game, feels more intended
- Farming early bosses for money shouldn't really be a nothing action that takes no effort. Before Armageddon got removed, we had already removed its ability for bosses to drop multiple bags, because it made it incredibly easy to rack up tons of cash and sellables by using it against PreHM bosses. It ruined the "economy", per se.
(also from my anecdotal experience in my current multiplayer playthrough, we already have over 2 platinum between us and we haven't beaten Skeletron yet)
alpine scarab
Oh. Yeah, some armor of the melee class and other classes would benifit with thoae armors, maybe add it to the auric armor
drowsy plank
this suggestion sucks but it did remind me of an actually good one from a while back; #suggestions-voting message
from the old days of star requirements
might actually try suggestion this again it got decent traction, but probably reworded
swift wharf
this suggestion sucks but it did remind me of an actually good one from a while ...
this is good tho
dreamy burrow
You can still tank as melee, armor break doesn't demolish the idea of a tanky build, it just makes it less abusable 👀
Not to mention the addition of straight up damage reduction on top of the dfense value
it just means you can't stand there and refuse to move when you're in a boss fight
alpine scarab
"Tanking hits as a melee player is essential to the class"
The melee class is made for tanking hits, giving back damage, and surviving for longer in harsh situations during bossfights
drowsy plank
yeah that's why it has the highest defense
swift wharf
You can tank with any class tho
drowsy plank
which is why it lasts longer even with defense damage
swift wharf
I wouldn't say it's made for tanking tho
dreamy burrow
melee benefits most considering their "up close and personal" style
pmuch every other class can usually afford to keep their distance most the time
melee doesn't have that luxury as often
swift wharf
Fake melee 
small timber
New gold armor is mega money too
alpine scarab
pmuch every other class can usually afford to keep their distance most the time
I agree.
small timber
Chance to drop gold coin on kill is great
swift wharf
oh shit true
drowsy plank
projectile swords
dreamy burrow
but that said, I don't think there's any issue with the armor breaking
swift wharf
projectile swords <:XD:936106628833488906>
TRUE
alpine scarab
pmuch every other class can usually afford to keep their distance most the time
Thanks for the explanation. I didnt understand it that much
swift wharf
So called "melee is up close" experts when I show them projectiles
dreamy burrow
aye, I'd played in a multiplayer game with a few people. The melee player who was building for defense and aggro pulling is always the one who lasts for us to warp back to in a tough boss fight
small timber
Melee having high armor is probably do counter defense damage, since it means you can afford to take more hit before you become really vulnerable
frosty trellis
Yeah
alpine scarab
Thanks guys. I really am too old fashioned for this stuff gotta get used to it
dreamy burrow
what difficulty are you on?
alpine scarab
what difficulty are you on?
Malice
frosty trellis
Defense damage is an excellent mechanic to prevent tanking cheese, and I personally enjoy it a lot
small timber
And defense damage is really not noticeable unless you get chain hitted, as in one after another
frosty trellis
Malice is getting removed soon
small timber
Defense damage regenerate very fast
frosty trellis
Yeah
alpine scarab
Why is malice getting removed?
dreamy burrow
it punishes being unresponsive to attacks *the defense damage
swift wharf
Many reasons
frosty trellis
Difficulty bloat and the devs (and a lot of the community) hate it
drowsy plank
tl;dr bloat and bad design
frosty trellis
That too
alpine scarab
Well will they bring all the malice exclusives to detah?
frosty trellis
There were never malice exclusives
alpine scarab
Oh
frosty trellis
What version are you playing on lmao
swift wharf
Only gael's greatsword
frosty trellis
Challenge drops haven't been a thing for a long while
alpine scarab
If id have known that i wouldve not been scared of the destroyer
alpine scarab
What version are you playing on lmao
Newest
frail mantle
takes effort away from the other difficulties, wasn't really used or liked by most people, was generally not very good
small timber
On newest malice drops are already long gone yeah
frosty trellis
Then you should of figured out by now that they don't exist
frail mantle
that's the gist of it
alpine scarab
Then you should of figured out by now that they don't exist
Well i thought they moved most drops to malice for some reason. I guess im not as cultured as i think
frosty trellis
Master-Death is kinda the new malice anyways with how hard shit hits you
hollow shell
Well i thought they moved most drops to malice for some reason. I guess im not a...
That happened several updates ago, then it was undone, now all drops can be obtained in all modes
frosty trellis
As melee, I was fking full on warding with strong defensive accessories so I didn't get two shot by SCals bullet hells
hollow shell
(aside from a few exceptions)
unborn oriole
Especially if you have vanity accs
It's not an accesory..
alpine scarab
Heh i am behind in calamity news.
small timber
Tbh I liked the concept of exclusive items being locked behind harder fight/challenge, but I also dislike how malice drops (especially weapons) are so superior over others that you are forced to use them, especially malice pt
dreamy burrow
I still think trophies and relics should have swapped drop rates 👀
eternal escarp
true tbh but oh well
small timber
Some drops like sea searing was used until like, deus
dreamy burrow
Keep trophies as a 10% drop in normal/expert, but in master it goes up to 100%, where relics are 10%
drowsy plank
just vote for death relics
frail mantle
aren't relics 100%
frail mantle
oh i understand what you said now
dreamy burrow
yee
ashen warren
(I was going to suggest this but it probably has already been suggested before so I’m just asking about it here)
So uh acidwood walls will that exist at some point or
small timber
Yes, was suggested and was approved
frail mantle
acidwood walls will exist when sprites exist
river wave
I got an idea for how Thanatos lasers could be done better, if that isn't planned already
I drew it in paint, hopefully you get the idea but there is like a safezone that you have to find and stay in as the worm coils around you and the lasers fire rapidly around the ring
ok err, no one seems to be in this channel so I'll just look at the feedback when I get back haha
hot zephyr
eternity mode
river wave
oh hi
hot zephyr
(it looks good)
hot zephyr
yea
river wave
ooh nice
I'll probably write it tomorrow but I'll definately include the image in my suggestion
river wave
yeah
I should get another image of what the attack looks like rn
I'll say something like 'the attack with all the lasers feels unpredictable and frustrating when all you can really see is a web of laser telegraphs with no clear safe zone, this can make the fight a bit less fair and no-hits frustrating'.
frail mantle
i think don't mention nohits cause that's a niche part of the community
rather say something like it makes the attack frustrating to dodge
hot zephyr
What the hell is a no-hit
river wave
yeah good point
I can't get a pic of the attack cause I'm not good enough to get to it LOL
I actually do have another idea for a different boss
I kind of wish that yharon's fire tornadoes were visible on the minimap
pretty sure it's possible cause DOG does that kind of thing with the segments
ok this is the attack I was talking about, along with a different one where the lasers point in different directions
eternal escarp
that sorta thing usually happans when thana is coiled up and youre close to a lot of segments
only close segments will shoot at you iirc
river wave
well there is an attack that heavily encourages staying close to the head as the boss coils up so that kind of situation is quite common
y'know, the big laser attack from the head where he charges it up last-prism style
oh sorry I gtg
eternal escarp
yeah i get you, just wanted to note this isnt a specific attack like that but rather just a side effect
hollow shell
Yes we do have plans to add more non-wing boots to the mod, especially post-ML
Suggestion can stay up anyway I guess
kindred creek
oh, that's sick
crude geode
I mean doesn’t that just mean you use your class equivalent of chloro instead of perennial
Shroomite, Spectre, Turtle, Spooky, Umbra?
Not to say that chloro and perennial are really fine, they’re redundant pieces of trash
But like swapping them doesn’t really solve the issue of them being outclassed by other options at their tier. If anything it just confuses vanilla players coming in
Actually I didn’t realize this brought up the idea of killing perennial, it’s a piece of garbage that I totally can get behind killing, but moving chloro doesn’t solve it’s issue. It makes it worse by putting it right next to it’s upgrades.
gray nebula
suggest ideas of useful itemstm that could replace perrenial weapons
and i will try to arrange that
armor doesnt go because i drew them cool
could have a thing thats like a super sunflower, spirit has one but like dnc rip it off lets go
would move it to earlier in hm when stopping the spread of it is really important
crude geode
Pog
hot zephyr
reaver armor my belovedf
hot zephyr
cool omni class armor
crude geode
Omni class is slightly better than 5 class helmets in my eyes
hot zephyr
thumby
crude geode
so true, I love thumby
lofty hedge
drowsy plank
@ the boots thing we already have this passed;
#suggestions-voting message
so i think u can prolly just exclaim that
preferable it doesnt reach voting when it's just overlap
frail mantle
i don't think it needs to be exclaimed just cause it's suggesting that has already been suggested before
drowsy plank
i mean it's already planned too isnt it?
feels weird to let it pass when it's so already accepted and going to be done in the plans
swift wharf
that's why hardmode summoner sucks <:XD:897467885943947324>
how
hot zephyr
spider armor 
spend half of hardmode in a single armor set while every other class gets one per boss
inner anvil
We could make Spider Armor epic like Chlorophyte though...
drowsy plank
that would be epic
worthy lintel
what are spiders known for
inner anvil
Spider legs.
unborn oriole
what are spiders known for
Making donuts, having a superhero, having the most common phobia in the world and making fire remixes
hot zephyr
🦵🦵 🦾 🦾 🕷️ 🦾 🦾 🦵 🦵
worthy lintel
no way
inner anvil
Noita.
worthy lintel
we do not talk about that social experiment
inner anvil
If we make this Spider Armor we can get the views. 😎
lofty hedge
Summoners about to get the coolest armor set 
inner anvil
Hold on, let me get a GIF of that image.
worthy lintel
the world if
if summoners contributed to the fight themselves
drowsy plank
just give it the mahogany wood enchant effect from fargo's mod /s
lofty hedge
the world if
if summoners contributed to the fight themselves
Impossible.
inner anvil
Sorry, I don't speak masochism.
unborn oriole
we do not talk about that social experiment
We can't talk about social experiments, but we CAN get to talk about what will happen to John Wulfrum on March 27th at 11:57 AM CST on Bridgetown, Barbados?
steel raptor
are dragon scales bugged to do a lot more damage than they should?
I'm using tank gear (5 out of 7 are defensive accessories, all are warding) with seared pan and doing only stealth strikes and without any rippers I got through the phase where all 3 exo mechs are active at once in less than 10 seconds, and even against exo twins its doing 40k-50k dps
hot zephyr
steel raptor
I don't think they should be melted that fast tbh
inner anvil
Ian, opinons?
hot zephyr
<:cringe:787156790852845569>
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grim tusk
“The problem is dragon scales” - Ozz
inner anvil
Hands up testers who want to test Dragon Scales.
worthy lintel
we should delete dragon scales...
inner anvil
That should probably be what other testers would say.
crude geode
Design team 🔫 testers
inner anvil
Devs 🔫 Testers.
Testers 🔫 Devs.
crude geode
So true
crude geode
dragon scales have been a nuisance their whole life
You could say this about half of rogue’s accessories couldn’t you
steel raptor
aren't dragon scales supposed to do a base 580 damage per tick
inner anvil
As ironic as it sounds, rogue accesories is like playing a roguelike.
steel raptor
yes
worthy lintel
sonic adventure 2
steel raptor
you get an op build and then you win
to me it seems like the dragon scales' damage per tick is affected by stealth strike damage is it not
lofty hedge
Balance 🔫 Rogue
inner anvil
Where's the button that says "Nerf"?
crude geode
Two buttons down from “make boss”
inner anvil
Alright, thanks.
crude geode
Np
steel raptor
dps against thanatos is 100k...
didn't even get to do its deathray attack
again, no rippers
inner anvil
I only know a single tester that could (Or would try to) fix this.
steel raptor
and that is.....?
crude geode
“The problem is dragon scales” - Ozz
He was here a moment ago
inner anvil
Do not ask me what do I test the most, because then I'll feel pressured to balance it harder.
drowsy plank
now i want to ask but im worried it'll be something i like as is
drowsy plank
well what is it then lol
inner anvil
Summoner.
drowsy plank
that sounds about right
hot zephyr
@grim tusk ping
inner anvil
Lmao! Rogue slave tester!
fossil finch
pong
crude geode
He is bound eternally to rogue (insert iron man meme here)
inner anvil
He bound himself with his own hands, we didn't do anything.
grim tusk
time to assassinate dragon scales I guess
gray nebula
whats the issue withd adragon scales
grim tusk
wait i actually suggested a nerf for it yesterday as it vaporized seekers
grim tusk
whats the issue withd adragon scales
tornado seems to hit way too often
gray nebula
oh dfreaded projectile stuff
violet pivot
yo the arbalest is busted it's even better than cosmic bolter and other weapons post plantera
unique vector
amongus
violet pivot
it needs a nerf or buff to the other weapons
unborn oriole
gaunt tiger
what if perennial was post-dragonfolly, and profaned guardians are retiered to be post-dragonfolly?
then providence is post-guardians
it'd be good for the pace of post-ML, and it'd move perennial into a tier where there's not a lot going on
I don't wanna @ iban but I'm really tempted lol
drowsy plank
literally jungle ore in uelibloom right after it
drowsy plank
why are we even mentioning prof guardians here too
crude geode
also like. the nice thing about dragonfolly is that you don't have to fight it if you don't want to.
gaunt tiger
that's a waste of a boss
drowsy plank
so is duke fishron then??
gaunt tiger
nah he drops fish wings
drowsy plank
and folly drops the red lightning container and dynamo stem cells.
and effulgent feathers
which you need for yharon anyway??
crude geode
you don't have to do it immediately to unlock the next step of progression is what I mean
i.e. profaned guardians into provi
grim tusk
As ironic as it sounds, rogue accesories is like playing a roguelike.
find op shit, abuse op shit to nuke boss, theres a ton of combos!
crude geode
iirc
grim tusk
Where's the button that says "Nerf"?
we're gonna need a bigger button
novel belfry
out of curiosity, are there plans to rework the Exoblade?
drowsy plank
already being done p sure
novel belfry
since that's unfortunately the most boring endgame sword
crude geode
you guys do know ore spawns every 2 tiers post-ML right
just because a problem exists doesn't mean we should exacerbate it
gaunt tiger
I don't think it's a problem
grim tusk
out of curiosity, are there plans to rework the Exoblade?
me when #suggestions-voting message
gaunt tiger
maybe the perennial tier isn't made using ores, then
maybe it's made using a drop from folly and chlorophyte
how about that
gaunt tiger
because pre-prov is the only empty tier
crude geode
pre-provi isn't?????
drowsy plank
what
crude geode
you have all of ml drops.
gaunt tiger
it is relatively empty
drowsy plank
it has literally all of vanilla post-ML
gaunt tiger
so if we make dragonfolly a more major boss, there's an open tier between it and providence
right
gaunt tiger
it's moving perennial tho
fossil finch
anyways im all in for perennial being full utility
it's at a nice stage of progression for it to be ultra utility
crude geode
mhm
fossil finch
yeah and perennial is boring content
gaunt tiger
just split it up between chlorophyte and dragonfolly
gray nebula
what the fuck are you talking about
mfw check back in my favorite channe l and i see people talking about making perrenial be dragonfolly
HUH???
what are you GUYS talk ing about (joy joy joy joy joy jyo)
fossil finch
delirious thoughts
drowsy plank
lmao
gray nebula
if anything id make perrenial available EARLIER (laugh track)
fossil finch
its only velvet its ok iban
hot zephyr
crude geode
ye
gaunt tiger
: (
fossil finch
nobody else seriously thinks perennial should be post folly
hot zephyr
make it pre hardmode
drowsy plank
make it pre boss
hot zephyr
zased
gaunt tiger
make it QB tier
hot zephyr
🥬
gaunt tiger
how about that
gray nebula
make it a pre boss building focused tier
hot zephyr
wow I wonder
gray nebula
with powerful tools and extended reach
crude geode
make it QB tier
die
fossil finch
TRUE
drowsy plank
it was a joke oh my god
hot zephyr
with powerful tools and extended reach
gray nebula
maybe also redo the armor to have something useful for builders in early game
gaunt tiger
I want to perish
gray nebula
like idk some platform they can stand on like the wulfrum scaffold kit but portable
for builders
fossil finch
wulfrum already has mining and combat shit
gray nebula
now that would be awesome
hot zephyr
fossil finch
wulfrum scaffold but like mc scaffolds
drowsy plank
wow that's such a specific a cool idea iban i sure hope you do that and not with any other sort of item
gaunt tiger
re-tier dragonfolly to be more major and make the perennial gear craftable with chlorophyte and feathers
it'll be great
then make guardians post folly
gray nebula
i would never
crude geode
more major bosses post-ml is an abysmal idea
gaunt tiger
it'll be super great
gaunt tiger
more major bosses post-ml is an abysmal idea
why
gray nebula
theres so many bosses post ml
crude geode
^
gray nebula
and nothing else
crude geode
literally the biggest problem with post-ml
fossil finch
in the section of the game that already has like 5 major bosses