suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

seems promising 👍

[frozen hornet]

wulfrum discord ping

[inner anvil]

Shh.

You aren't required to speak about that information.

[gaunt tiger]

john wulfrum's fabulous jumping thighs

[inner anvil]

🤨

[gaunt tiger]

no no it's real eris posted a video

of some wulfrum legs

[inner anvil]

🤨

[gaunt tiger]

no I swear to god it's real

[inner anvil]

Sus.

[gaunt tiger]

ask eris

[inner anvil]

I know the Wulfrum stuff, there's no "Leg" thing.

[gaunt tiger]

I saw it

I swear

[inner anvil]

Swear more.

[gaunt tiger]

fuck

[inner anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/998748306400358492/unknown.png ?

You mean this?

[gaunt tiger]

no there was a video where he had some wulfrum exo-legs and he jumped really high

with a cool animation

[inner anvil]

There is no such thing as what you described.

[gaunt tiger]

well what the heck did I see

[inner anvil]

I don't know, find it and I'll judge myself.

[small timber]

"real fake leaks"

so it can be either real or fake

[eternal escarp]

who couldve guessed!

[gaunt tiger]

I SAW IT

[eternal escarp]

okay
go find it then

[small timber]

truly thought inducing statement

[gaunt tiger]

no no I did see it but apparently it was a fake leak lol

[inner anvil]

Blast, what do you make of this situation?

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt tiger]

nah it fake ig

here we are

[eternal escarp]

may just be a different mod as a whole if its real lo

[inner anvil]

Look, Iban is an enigma, god knows.

[gaunt tiger]

anyway more productively what do you think of my suggestion in posting

[inner anvil]

It's definetly a suggestion, that I can tell.

[eternal escarp]

personally never seen people say its objectively worse when it is freeing you of an accessory slot + gives you good walking speed

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

I personally use tracers because of that.

[eternal escarp]

i personally rather wings but i see the use in tracers

[gaunt tiger]

really? every single person I've seen has said for bosses you use only wings

[eternal escarp]

i use Tracers for Providence and DoG

[gaunt tiger]

why

[eternal escarp]

because i find the good walking speed there better than more flight time

[small timber]

I guess soaring insignia do make tracers a lot better

[inner anvil]

That is also a supporting fact.

Although it's 25%, it's still 25%.

[eternal escarp]

• 1.1x speed + some jump speed

[gaunt tiger]

ok but on like exos and scal you use wings right

[inner anvil]

But yeah, tracers are not that bad, the running is not bad, and I kinda' got used to the flight time of the tracers, so me equipping wings is just more flight time for nothing.

[inner anvil]

No.

[eternal escarp]

i personally do, doesnt mean they are objectively better than tracers

[small timber]

scal I dont think so, exo maybe but it is pretty much only if you feel lazy on flight management

[eternal escarp]

esp when Drew's wings have no setbonus unlike other previous wings

[gaunt tiger]

bleh

[small timber]

drew + soaring is very much overkill

[inner anvil]

If I equip wings it's because of the set-bonus.

[gaunt tiger]

I want hover ; - ; it's good

[eternal escarp]

that part of the sugg isnt bad

im talking about calling tracers objectively bad when it clearly isnt

[small timber]

on provi I still feel flight is a lot better just because providence' flight reduce debuff (and my strategy for providence frequently turns a lot), on DoG tracers should feel a lot better now

since DoG no longer just scale his speed to your speed (due to super speed up when far away)

[crude geode]

So called “wing versus boot” free thinkers when I break their kneecaps (they can’t make an objective decision now)

[inner anvil]

Holy shit, calm down, champ.

I mean, it's true though.

[gaunt tiger]

updated

[small timber]

though I think the more important thing is still to establish identity I guess: wings for big vertical + flight time, tracers for horizontal both on ground and on-air (or at least, easier to execute horizontal flight)

[eternal escarp]

ye sugg looks better now imo

[crude geode]

Pretty simple but that’s fine

[gaunt tiger]

yeah I'd be happy to take a flight penalty in exchange for hovering
especially on bullet hell and dog walls

it's not a complicated suggestion 😛

[inner anvil]

And you reminded us that we need to nerf Celestial Starboard.

[gaunt tiger]

FU-

[eternal escarp]

Eventually™️

[small timber]

wait again? I thought it is already nerfed

[eternal escarp]

i mean i think it already has some

yeah

[gaunt tiger]

just like you nerfed the pirate ship mount

[eternal escarp]

it was already nerfed a bit

[gaunt tiger]

1984

[eternal escarp]

that was vanilla

lmao!

[gaunt tiger]

oh

fr?

[inner anvil]

Lmao!

Yeah.

[eternal escarp]

insert "calamity hates fun"

[gaunt tiger]

well it's still a certified 1984 moment

relogic hates fun

[inner anvil]

Calamity Devs hate fun.

Testers on the other hand...

[small timber]

speaking of mobility I had some thoughts about giving ninja belt (post-ML one and above) magiluminesence effect but I dont know how to word it in

since to many the effect is pretty random to be put into a seemingly non-related item

[gaunt tiger]

why can't we have weapons that kill yharon in 34 seconds??? calamity devs hate fun??? saros is fun!

[inner anvil]

Saraos Deez Nu-.

[gaunt tiger]

yhar on deez-

[crude geode]

[gaunt tiger]

god is dead
and we have killed him

[inner anvil]

I'll gladly nerf Saraos with my own hands.

[gaunt tiger]

is it actually bugged or is it just overtuned

cos sirius is bugged

[small timber]

(at least I get to abused it on 3 separete fight before it get gutted again)

[crude geode]

Do you mean sarasosao

[hot zephyr]

He's gonna nerf Sword Art Online, sure

[inner anvil]

It's overtuned.
Remember the "Power Curve Balancing" thing that happened a while ago?
Yeah, the tester that was on charge of Yharon-Summoner forgot to balance Saraos.

[gaunt tiger]

yeah

ouch

here's a suggestion to discuss
maybe if the move speed/pattern/range of a lot of the flying summons wasn't shit overheads wouldn't be as good

: )

[hot zephyr]

Already known, and planned

[gaunt tiger]

😮

I'm pogging

[hot zephyr]

Wulfrum Drone is accurate in the next update.

[gaunt tiger]

never again ||today|| will I talk shit about camaity

[inner anvil]

You'll be banned.

[hot zephyr]

[crude geode]

I haven’t used it in a while but I remember one singular overhead being shit

[gaunt tiger]

nooooo

[crude geode]

Endo Hydra had a really fucking hard time iirc

[gaunt tiger]

yeah endo hydra was a bit bad on yharon

[hot zephyr]

But yeah, we know there's a few summons (especially in the earlygame) that're currently struggling to hit enemies... thus creating the overhead meta

[gaunt tiger]

lots of good changes on the way

[hot zephyr]

It won't happen all at once, but it's on our radar

[crude geode]

Cal fans when things take time (this is unacceptable)

[gaunt tiger]

I acknowledge that it's a lot harder to fix a problem than it is to identify it

the ribbing aside I really appreciate the work the cal team puts in

[hot zephyr]

Summons in particular are tricky to solve as they usually require more than just... tweaking the numbers or adjusting a formula. Usually.

[gaunt tiger]

yeah

[crude geode]

Sometimes they are just Memecrag staff.

[hot zephyr]

It actually kinda fits in great, useful & consistent but not strong enough to outshine other options to where you'll probably replace it before you start fighting the boss lads

i LOVE wulfrum i fuckin LOVE IT grAAAAH

https://tenor.com/view/im-losing-my-grip-gif-24549187

[inner anvil]

Beep.

[hot zephyr]

boop

[crude geode]

Mmmm mobility stat stick

This sugg seems fine but also I always worry about shoving accessories into others, whatever the reasoning

[hot zephyr]

Get weird and suggest to put it in Spelunker Necklace

[small timber]

ya tbh I dont know how to word it better either, I just feel the effect fits (and ninja belt need a small buff) and thats it

[hot zephyr]

Yeah it's a fine sugg I just don't agree with it personally

[small timber]

previously I wanted to say just make it buff flight time but since soaring insignia exist now it will be redundant

[hot zephyr]

idk I don't think ninja belt needs a buff at all

granted, I also was the one who suggested it to get nerfed so I'm biased

[small timber]

I think the main thing is just knockback immune tbh, if knockback is more accessible then ninja belt is perfectly fine for me

[hot zephyr]

the dodge used to be half the cd of what it currently is

[small timber]

currently it is hero's shield, frozen shield, ankh shield (but at that point just use valor), and rampart, I think thats' it? others are like titan heart armor

[hot zephyr]

Gladiator Armor

lead armor (at least at one point)

but ofc you won't use those

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message I used to push this too just to make ninja gear more stand out, though didnt exactly work out

but ya I am all for making ninja belt work, just I feel it still need some addition to be worthwhile

[hot zephyr]

Here's a thought

Counter Scarf and Evasion Scarf are now regular drops.

;)

[inner anvil]

Are they?

[small timber]

oh right they actually nerfed it from (haha 15 seconds) to actually reasonable

(though it will make ninja belt incredibly broken on scal and exo)

[hot zephyr]

Make the Black Belt Void Sash line inherit the Scarf Dodge bonuses.

[crude geode]

Belt inherit Scarf

[hot zephyr]

Who says you can't wrap it around your waist

[small timber]

(statis ninja outfit)

[crude geode]

Logic says it would be stupid but this is also terraria so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot zephyr]

Yeah you throw away the claws when you make the Statis Ninja Belt anyways

[small timber]

daily reminder that a shield is one of the main way terraria allow the character to dash

[hot zephyr]

And the shoes

[small timber]

it actually have shoes now since it use frog gear

[hot zephyr]

It is not in the sprite

Statis Void Sash inherits the scarf dodge, giving 15-20 seconds of increased damage/crit chance after dodging a projectile.
idk, just a thought

[crude geode]

Doesn’t scarf only boost true melee tho

[small timber]

does scarf dodge still give any effect? I remembre it is removed

[crude geode]

It does, just checked

[hot zephyr]

No

It gives 10% damage.

[crude geode]

Wiki outdated?

[hot zephyr]

The accessory itself boosts True Melee damage

[cobalt pewter]

question, is Rover Drive only used for Amalgam atm?

not related atm, but I might make a suggestion on it once the mod updates

[hot zephyr]

The dodge buff increases raw damage

[cobalt pewter]

or was it the Sponge

I don't remember

[small timber]

should be sponge I think, amalgam recipe is pretty much empty

[hot zephyr]

It's in the Sponge

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

thanks

[crude geode]

because it says that it used to buff crit, damage, and true melee hits with a temporary, but now only boosts true melee

[small timber]

I remember scarf dodge buff not do anything anymore other than just a CD, and the true melee buff is just a consistent stat on the scarf itself regardless of dodge, opening tmod

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the true melee buff has always been on the scarf instead of the dodge iirc

[small timber]

ok this is the ingame stat

[hot zephyr]

wait did scarf boost die

[crude geode]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

huh neat

[small timber]

ya it died

[crude geode]

Anyways uh yeah

[hot zephyr]

can you tell I'm a soc enjoyer

[crude geode]

More true melee damage for the like 5 people who use scarf instead of bonking

[hot zephyr]

true melee damage as a stat should die

i hate it

[crude geode]

It probably should

[small timber]

scarf especially after the nerf is pretty much only useful for like destroyer for me, and the reason is just because I can not get bounced back on probes

[cobalt pewter]

it's p much a bandaid stat for actual true melee

[hot zephyr]

true melee works well enough to not need its own damage type

internally they're separate damage classes but the player shouldn't be able to only buff half the melee weps

grr

[small timber]

ya I will agree, though I just think it is better for melee speed to die than true melee damage

since currently it functions on both being incredibly high

[cobalt pewter]

true melee stat can definitely be gone once melee weapons are better

[crude geode]

Probably biased bc tester tho or smthn idk

[cobalt pewter]

(if you haven't noticed already I am doing another broadsword slander)

I should resist

[hot zephyr]

melee speed is in a limbo currently

don't worry about it

(i will have to, for you)

[crude geode]

Melee speed

[cobalt pewter]

(thanks )

byeah, melee is still funky from what I understood

[crude geode]

Can we delete melee speed as a boosted stat from the fucking game

[hot zephyr]

byeah eventually true melee weapons should be able to stand on their own and we can throw all instances of +true melee damage on accessories and armor into the shredder imho tbh iirc

[hot zephyr]

Unfortunately, no.

[cobalt pewter]

it's vanilla, so it might be

tricky

[hot zephyr]

Every testers WOULD breathe a collective sigh of release but the tumor is too embedded in Terraria

[cobalt pewter]

true melee is something cal added so it's easier to snap it away

[hot zephyr]

it's on like ten things

[small timber]

"rogue weapon breaks on an accessory that increase attack speed by 20% that we have to heavily nerf it" melee: "lets have a class stat entirely dependent on multiplying other damage multiplier, just as a stat that exist"

[hot zephyr]

true melee as a damage class will probably always exist, even if that hurts me

[crude geode]

I moreso mean like “+4% melee speed” shit

[inner anvil]

What is the thing I need to sigh about?

[hot zephyr]

Melee Speed

[inner anvil]

Sigh.

[small timber]

probably just nuke most source of melee speed until they are incredibly minor I guess

[cobalt pewter]

the violent affix and their friends?

[crude geode]

Yee

It’s just kinda. dumb.

[hot zephyr]

I'm pretty sure in the live version melee speed is replaced on projectile weapons with an equivalent value of melee damage

[cobalt pewter]

I think at the very least the sources of melee speed can significantly reduced yea

and balance around it

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, that's def a thing

[small timber]

I dont know if I still have the video of funny max melee speed video

[cobalt pewter]

which is, imo, another bandaid that I think won't be able to be properly approached another way unless Cal entirely rebuilds Terraria from scratch

[hot zephyr]

the melee speed:damage ratio will probably be adjusted as time goes on

1:1 is probably too strong atm

[small timber]

#calamity-update-talk message ah there

[hot zephyr]

You're right, but we can adjust the bandaid to at least be less jank

[cobalt pewter]

true true

[hot zephyr]

As a stopgap it fits better than other ideas & meant we didn't have to open another can of worms before the port dropped

[crude geode]

If melee speed dies than we can kill arcane

[hot zephyr]

I'm not too worried about it, I'm busy testing new cool content instead

[cobalt pewter]

zamn, content

[hot zephyr]

I want to live in a world where Arcane is useful.

The mana cloak & others proved mana reduction can be useful

[cobalt pewter]

the reason I asked about Rover Drive earlier is because I just noticed a bit in iban's scaffolding spoiler that Rover Drive would actually block a set amount of dmg

which is

actually huge

[hot zephyr]

well, new old content
I LOVE WULFRUM

[cobalt pewter]

steaming hot John Wulfrum in your area

[crude geode]

Mana cloak was cool cuz it offered alternative ways to restore mana imo

[small timber]

ya it is in absorber, though it completely didnt inherit the effect

[hot zephyr]

oh shit he showed off scaffolding in main? neato

[small timber]

I guess it just get converted into the damage become healing thing

[cobalt pewter]

the scaffolding has been on iban's twitter for a while

[crude geode]

Iban leaks

[hot zephyr]

wouldn't mind if Rover Drive mysteriously disappeared from the Absorber recipe although out of every accessory it'd probably be the easiest to fit into the absorba

[crude geode]

I can’t wait for summoner to get their own exclusive reforges (it will never happen)

[hot zephyr]

funny enough I've had such a good time with wulfrum gear I've ran into a shortage of wulfrum

[cobalt pewter]

I think what's weird about that recipe is that Rover Drive is the only tech-y material there

everything else is organic

[crude geode]

I assume summoner reforges will never happen just because coding wise it would be a fucking nightmare

[cobalt pewter]

wulfrum sink real

[hot zephyr]

scaffolding kit my beloved

[small timber]

I can see tag damage exist as a summon reforge, but thats it; minion speed or something probably will never happen

[hot zephyr]

Don't count on it

[gaunt tiger]

tag damage bug fix coming soon™️

; - ;

[hot zephyr]

Violent is the Summoner reforge.

[gaunt tiger]

isn't it ruthless

[small timber]

ya, not exactly like it will find a perfect balance for menacing and tag damage reforge

[gaunt tiger]

(summoner still op without tag)

[hot zephyr]

You cannot get Ruthless on accessories

[gaunt tiger]

oh

you want menacing on accessories

[crude geode]

Also doesn’t fix their weapons having discount mage reforges

[inner anvil]

You're evil.
Go to jail.

[hot zephyr]

Vanilla will never fix that and I don't really see the point of adding in new summoner reforge names tbh

[crude geode]

The main point would be to go along with actual stats that matter, but coding for variable like. Summon aggro range would be uh. Uh.

[hot zephyr]

I actually like the consistency between summoner & melee speed. Too bad Obsidian armor ruined it.

[small timber]

the money sink everyone never needed: rerolling over class specific reforge for your class specific reforge

[crude geode]

💀

[inner anvil]

Sigh.

I'll balance the entire summoner class with my own bare hands.

[hot zephyr]

I'm going to overstep and speak for the rest of the testers and say that even if we programmed in aggro range (if that's even possible) nobody wants another stat to balance summoner around.

[inner anvil]

Hi, I'm one of those called "Testers", I agree.

[crude geode]

Tis why I said summoner specific reforges are likely never to happen

[hot zephyr]

[small timber]

1.4.4 will also introduce sentry slot buff and +22 max buff slots (I think?) and summoner was the most buff slot hungry class, so good luck

because it will be so shit

[hot zephyr]

The buffs slots probably won't be as bad as one would initially think

[small timber]

when having to balance summoner on top of 2 sentries that each last 10 minutes so you put it there before start of fight
minion damage, whip direct and tag damage, and "magic" summoner weapon like borealis bomber

[hot zephyr]

If you consider players using the 22 best potions in their allotted slots, it leaves very little non-exploration potions

It's a buff to Cirrus candles, alcohols, and Summoners running out of slots.

And that's about it

[crude geode]

But Ian, what about campfire and heart lantern and

[hot zephyr]

Go on. Place them in your exo mech arena.

[crude geode]

I agree with letting people do it tbfh. For SCal you also need like 4 of each for max coverage in your arena.

[hot zephyr]

just slap on a little bit of extra damage on bosses to counteract having higher base regen or smthn idk

[small timber]

(I mean a lot of bosses dont require that big of an arena, and ya heart lantern on platform), though things like stacking endurance and titan scale will still matter

[crude geode]

Just remove stacking

[inner anvil]

Ian, promise me I'll be sane when I start balancing summoner, this many variables are reminding me of class.

[small timber]

(or just cap potion buffs to 22 or even an amount lower)

[hot zephyr]

The only time Heart Lantern/Campfires/whateverthefuck would make a difference would be the earlygame. Where slots don't really matter

[crude geode]

People complain about it 24/7 why would they restrict it back again

[hot zephyr]

Potion slot increase will not make a significant change to Calamity balance

Unless you consider Summoners getting fucked on slots a "feature"

[crude geode]

[small timber]

I think it is fine to cap potions buffs, in the current system 22 is non-existent anyway (boss zen, potion cd etc), I just mean potion buff is capped while others are not so there will be no buff slot override

[hot zephyr]

considering classifying buffs into specific categories was basically impossible without fucking over multiplayer (because I believe the solution was checking buffs?) I don't think it'd be necessary

[crude geode]

There aren’t that many op potions? The ones that would be are already removed from stacking, such as life force and cadence

[hot zephyr]

If people really want to have Water Walking, Flipper, and Night Vision on when they're fighting Supreme Calamitas, who am I to stop em' :p

[hot zephyr]

Additionally, I'm actually kinda glad that we're getting back-to-back Summoner changes.
We just shrimply delayed the rebalancing until they decide how the class will work

[crude geode]

[hot zephyr]

Overall sentries also don't really play that big of a role in the Summoner damage profile (outliers not included) to where actually balancing them will probably be the least tooth-pullingly excruciating in the slew of Summoner balancing.

[inner anvil]

Nobody knows how to balance it.
Well, it's more like everyone has their own vision.

[hot zephyr]

Being in the dark (for the most part) on 1.4.4's changes to Summoner has made it difficult to get a definite stance on what needs to change.

(Thank you Re-Logic for filling your "State of the Game" posts with completely superfluous changes and novelty garbage like Echo Paint while hiding your rebalances and reworks in Twitter or outright hiding them until release )

[crude geode]

Have you had like. any non-public communication with Relogic on 1.4.4’s changes, or is it just the stuff the public knows

[hot zephyr]

As far as I know, no.

[crude geode]

Grand

[inner anvil]

Communication with Re-Logic.

You high or something?

[small timber]

fart cart

[hot zephyr]

I stuck my toes in the water (which is closer to the mariana trench than a kiddie pool) of summoner balance with some of the 2.0 changes (if they were functional ) but a lot of the changes will have to wait until 1.4.4 and beyond

[crude geode]

I know I know, what a fucking hilarious idea

[small timber]

ok after trying to actually stack it it matters much less than I think, though I still think it is sizable

(especially early game I feel), as many of it (except titan scale) are available somewhat early game

(pretend zen is boss zen)

[crude geode]

how early game are you talking

[hot zephyr]

photosynthesis potion

[inner anvil]

Photosynthesis potion.

[small timber]

honey, heart lantern, bast, campfire, endu, iron skin, (bounding has somewhat of a cost) are pre-boss
tesla is post-Hivemind/perf
heart-reach (it do stack with cadance I think), resilient, photo are start of hardmode
cal brew (though it really is just 5% MS so dont matter) is post-calclone, and big one is titan scale post-Golem

so basically you get most of the mentioned big benefit pre-boss, except titan scale which is golem
so about 13 defense, 5% DR and 6 regen pre-boss

(photosynthesis is actually good ok, you cant stop my copium )

[hot zephyr]

you can include the evil shrine items

[small timber]

though I think (evil shrine) can be abit unreliable so I didnt include it, same with alcohol

[hot zephyr]

it's possible

but is it realistic

especially if you cut out the buffs in the upper portion that are obviously hardmode and beyond

[gaunt tiger]

buff limit is really problematic
I get from a balancing perspective why you aren't remvoing buff limit
but like

fr

[small timber]

if include (both) it will be 15% damage 10 defense (-10% HP) and 10% crit 10% MS (-5% DR) on top of it

[gaunt tiger]

just in case phantomic artifact wasn't unusable enough, it eats 3 buff slots

[small timber]

but ya, basically is mostly just pre-HM and maybe HM tbh, since those are massive stats that previously cant really be used

[gaunt tiger]

summoners are the most oppressed ; - ;

[hot zephyr]

yeah sure if u hyperoptimize and squeeze every last drop of the buff from slots being freed you can make earlygame bosses easier

ALTERNATIVELY

you can just kill them

[hot zephyr]

we're getting more buff slots in 1.4.4

[gaunt tiger]

how many more

[hot zephyr]

idk

[small timber]

and I think photosynthesis is unironically super good, just normally it eats a slot so it is never worth; if it is free it is incredibly broken actually

people say 22 (so basically double) so I am based on that assumption, whether or not it is true I am unsure

[hot zephyr]

photosynthesis potion found dead is los angeles warehouse

[inner anvil]

We had a little plan with Photosynthesis Potion, but I cannot speak a lot about that.

[vale vale]

There should be more armor sets like the Obsidian Set, where it primarily buffs your whip instead of your summons.

Just don’t know how to put that sentiment into a useful suggestion

[frail mantle]

you might want to elaborate a bit more on why there should be plague/astral infection flask beyond just stating how it seems strange that there isn't

there'll probably be more whip focused armor sets later down the line (or current armor sets changed to be whip focused)

[vale vale]

Lack of useful flasks for late hardmode besides Cursed Inferno and Ichor, in my experience. It would at least add some more variety to your options.

[drowsy plank]

variety in flasks would be good i suppose

might be good to mention that

[fossil finch]

Remove flasks they're stupid

[vale vale]

I figured, but I was trying to start a convo to help brainstorm ideas for said armor. I’d say a type of armor made from Meteorite, Stardust, and Aureum Cells, but that’s just my opinion. Aureum Cells have little use for classes other than mage, and that’s just a shame.

[unborn oriole]

I mean

[gaunt tiger]

cursed inferno is op op

[unborn oriole]

Astral infection is mainly just usefull for mages amd Rogues until like post-Deus

[vale vale]

That’s my problem

[unborn oriole]

Since astral bars make stuff for everyone

[vale vale]

Also Borealis Bomber and Hive Pod would like to know your location

[unborn oriole]

But i mean... I like that some biomes theme around s class

Crimson and Corruption - Melee
Desert and Tundra - Ranger
Desert and Jungle - Mage
Jungle - Summoner
Astral - Rogues and mages

[swift wharf]

calamitas brew

[unborn oriole]

But i mean.. jungle could count for every class tbh

[unborn oriole]

It isn't even a flask

[vale vale]

I disagree with it you on this, since a biome should be worth visiting for every class. The jungle is the best example

[unborn oriole]

You can use it with other Flasks

It's more of a potion

[swift wharf]

still counts

[unborn oriole]

Every biome has at least 1 thing for each class

For example

[vale vale]

I don’t deny that a biome being more useful for one class is fun, but it should have some use for everyone else.

[unborn oriole]

Tundra has ice blade, Corruption has vile thorn, Crimson has the Undertaker, astral has a bunch of stuff and so

[vale vale]

Regardless, the original convo was about Aureum Cells specifically. They should have a use for each class, since they’re a boss drop. Used for astral flask, maybe?

[fossil finch]

Lots of boss drops don't really get uses for all classes

[gray nebula]

shh

[vale vale]

I’m talking crafting ingredients, like the Living Shard, Luminite, and the drops for Eviscerators/Hive Mind

[gray nebula]

regular players care way more about fancy new items than balance oomfie

[hot zephyr]

the true excal/night's edge reworks were immediately the most hyped part of this update upon showcase

[vale vale]

Wasn’t expecting to see a dev here, in hindsight seems like this is where I should expect to see one.

[hot zephyr]

echo mist only got attention because of the paint controversy

ofc nobody cares about +1 damage to muramasa outside of memes

i'm not expecting them to drop a novel about small changes

but like, rebalancing armor or weapons to be fundamentally more interesting? that's something that gets people excited

[gray nebula]

idk echo paint looks awesoem

[hot zephyr]

especially when red's on twitter asking what changes you'd like to see....

seeing those get acted on in a blog post....

[gray nebula]

its funnier when c hippy now successfully psyopped people into thinking melee was gonna get entirely reworekd

when its way more likely its just the terra blade line

[hot zephyr]

if it's terra blade line and maybe some others it'd be enough of a rework to be good in my books

[gray nebula]

yea

vbut chippy made it sound like it would be like

INSANE

i just hope the #slrsweep and #ibanplaysweep duopost on twitter convince them to take a look at universal contact dmg (they wont

[hot zephyr]

too big of a change

omnidirectional broadswords are probably the closest possibility

(and I think would probably be the best change anyways)

[gray nebula]

thats copium

even then they wouldbt

the excal they showed wasnt directional

[hot zephyr]

:( yeah

[drowsy plank]

cries about it

also @vale vale this is still basically a sugg violation bc ur reason is "just because". and then you also added specific implementation details. you should include some reasons why there should be more flasks/why these debuffs in particular

[vale vale]

Fair, I just can’t explain why it should be done outside of just adding more variety, which seems inadequate.

[vale vale]

How’s this edit? Added more debuffs which fit the reason to add those particular debuffs, and added the reason.

The reason for the initial two is just that Bosses tend not to be immune to those ones.

[small timber]

there is never a reason to use a flask that is not ichor or cursed flame, unless it is like god slayer inferno and available at hardmode

[vale vale]

That’s the problem

I’m saying that adding flasks which apply more useful debuffs would help make those two less overpowered, since the DoT themselves would be reason enough to apply the new flasks

[small timber]

the problem is DoT debuff is simply not super useful especially if you spend a flask to use it, unless it is available earlier than its intended progression

even if an enemy is super vulnerable to a type of debuff, it still most of the time wont do much unless it is like plantera

and if DoT flask is useful, it will just result in melee (and rogue) being even more drastically efficient at applying debuff than all other classes just because of all the flask available; while other classes have to specifically spec for it to even get it at all

[crude geode]

Flasks were a mistake moment

[vale vale]

At least it would be something. And Summoner is also very efficient at applying Debuffs.

[drowsy plank]

yeah that looks much better but Flasks Still Be Like

[crude geode]

Summoner also doesn’t have the most weapons in the game, it has the least

[small timber]

summoner has whips which is flask

[vale vale]

We get it from accessories, not weapons

[drowsy plank]

does summoner really have less than rogue?

[crude geode]

iirc yes

[drowsy plank]

fucking

insane

[vale vale]

Not really. It’s difficult to balance a class based around minions.

[crude geode]

It really isn’t tho?????

It’s moreso making weapons is hard and shit

It’s slowly being remedied (thank you cnidarian) but it’s still a problem iirc

[vale vale]

Yes and no. The Classless Weapons are the most useful on summoner, making them pseudo-Summoner weapons

I’d personally move the Bee Gun and it’s upgrades to be Summoner Weapons, since it creates Bees from Mana, similar to how Summons are made.

Problem would be Mages need a bee weapon

[crude geode]

Changing damage types of vanilla weapons isn’t exactly something cal is comfy doing

[vale vale]

I know, that’s just what I would do

[crude geode]

Gotcha

[frail mantle]

i'd say it's better to make weapons that feel more like summons than taking another class' weapon that kinda feels like it would maybe make sense as a summon weapon and changing its damage

borealis bomber is an example of an active summon but it's kinda in a weird spot where it feels more like a mage weapon because of how it works

[vale vale]

Bee weapon for Summoners, maybe?

[frail mantle]

summoner already has the hornet staff

[vale vale]

I mean like the Bee Gun, Bees Knees, and the like

[frail mantle]

and it's already the class that unequivocally benefits the most from beating queen bee

[vale vale]

I’VE GOT IT! Throwable bee hives!

[hot zephyr]

Borealis Bomber is not a mage weapon

It creates a temporary summon

idc what anyone says

[vale vale]

Like the Beenades, but uses Mana, and can be upgraded after PBG

[crude geode]

That just sounds like a projectile

[frail mantle]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Hardened_Honeycomb

[hot zephyr]

And summons are just projectiles

[frail mantle]

also beenades

[crude geode]

So true oomfie

[vale vale]

I thought I had something

[hot zephyr]

Melee weapons summon giant swords from your inventory but I don't see anyone asking for Zenith to be a summon wep

[vale vale]

I know, that’s the idea.

[crude geode]

If only summoners got a post game weapon instead of fuckin turrets

[hot zephyr]

Summoner doesn't need
any more reason to fight QB
They already have a shit ton of drops there
New summoner weapons should be in new spots

[vale vale]

Or a weapon that spawns bees from the player, who don’t have any target until one is tagged by the player.

[crude geode]

Adding more flasks means more accessibility to debuffs which is kinda something cal is trying to stay away from, so debuffs can feel more impactful

[hot zephyr]

There's already a massive spike in summoner progression and it was made worse by 1.4 adding Pygmy Necklace to QB's rewards

[drowsy plank]

how about something with bats we got bat staff but no bat weapons for other classes (unless u count sanguine)

there now u dont need to put it on QB

[vale vale]

I like it. I was going to go for PBG

Don’t equip the Plague Hive. Become the Plague Hive.

[crude geode]

Summoner already has stuff there.

[hot zephyr]

doesn't summon have a whole ass plaguebringer armor

[crude geode]

Yes

It does

[crude geode]

Hence

[vale vale]

I know. The Plaguebringer armor just feels like it doesn’t lean into the concept enough.

[crude geode]

What

[hot zephyr]

continuing the stupid trend of everything beeing gated by this one boss type

[crude geode]

[vale vale]

It’s stupid, but it’s a cool concept that the mod kind of goes for, but it just doesn’t go far enough, I feel

[hot zephyr]

It was going to be melee

well it was summoner but reluctantly changed to melee and then got persuaded back into being summoner

[crude geode]

Development moment

[drowsy plank]

i just gave you the bat idea do something with that instead of putting everything on the bee bosses

[vale vale]

Not to mention the disappointment that is the Plague Cell Cluster. Just make that weapon an upgrade to the Hornet Staff, obtainable pre-PGB

[hot zephyr]

it would've robbed melee of a weapon if it was summoner
but to me that's a feature

you mean the fuel cell bundle?

[crude geode]

You can steal weapons from melee, it’s always morally correct

[small timber]

I think it is the fact that summoner will be robbing weapons from other classes and how other classes cannot have bee themed weapon (as bee = summoner) is what I completely disagree with

[hot zephyr]

Literally just
Suggest that the Fuel Cell Bundle be moved to pre-PBG
You could make the case that there's like fifty billion weapons behind PBG anyways and would help give Summoners options

There's enough weapons behind PBG to be considered TOO many, especially now there's an arsenal tier behind it.

[vale vale]

It’s good, I just don’t see how to make the weapon distinct from any other summon. Im going with bees because the Plaguebringer armor has the idea that I have partly implemented, any suggestion I would have would just be expanding on the concept of the armor set bonus.

[crude geode]

Anyways we’re pretty offtopic rn

[vale vale]

I know.

[crude geode]

Back to flasks, summoners have justified debuff availability bc of limited weapons, but melee already has the most weapons in their arsenal

[drowsy plank]

idk i feel like trying to make a suggestion is on topic here, like moving fuel cell bundle to pre-PBG is a good idea

[vale vale]

Upgrade to Hornet Staff with Plague Cells

[small timber]

for the flask suggestion, I think the best approach will be either overall nerf ichor (though it probably will be useless if nerfed more) and cursed flame rather than adding more or just gut flask as a whole, as it will only create a bigger difference in debuff efficiency between classes

where you have like, melee, rogue, summoner (whips) applying nightwither at hardmode (because tbh, that will be what is needed to make debuff flask viable) and then ranger sitting there with their molten quiver applying hellfire while mage applying plague or something

[hot zephyr]

If you can somehow track down the donor for Plaguebringer armor and convince them that the armor needs changes it could be suggested

[drowsy plank]

you could just kill flasks or just add other benefits from flasks from the other debuffs

like what if one applied glacial state or some other slowing buff now that those work on bosses. would be a new niche at least

[vale vale]

The armor is perfect, I’m talking about a way to spawn bees while stationary, and sic them on enemies. Same basic concept of turning the player into a beehive, but this one would be something one would have to spend mana to do, since the bees from the armor don’t cost the player anything.

[small timber]

ya, at the end dps flask will pretty much just be like, additional DoT dps accessible to 3 of the classes, not exactly the most interesting thing

[drowsy plank]

this sounds very SiS also just use hive pod

[crude geode]

That’s how it should be for flask, but unfortunately it also affects the related debuffs

[small timber]

they will likely never singlehandedly make pure DoT build viable just because more dps flask are added, they will just be "yo I have more DoT now"

[vale vale]

That’s a sentry, I’m thinking something that requires more input from the player

Also SiS?

[drowsy plank]

i dont really feel like you can suggest what you're thinking without violating the rules

specific item suggestion

[vale vale]

I can’t. It irks me.

[drowsy plank]

detailing the exact way an item would work

[crude geode]

Mmmmm this gives me an idea

What if instead of just. straight up applying said debuff, flasks had a watered down version of whatever debuff you were applying.

[drowsy plank]

you can ask for more involved summon weapons but whips are right there, and with cnidarian being added i think they're already kinda on top of it

[crude geode]

This would allow debuff based weapons to not be complete shit (flamethrowers ) while also not just giving rogue/melee/summoner incredibly stupid power

[vale vale]

I know that they are, it’s just that it’s an idea that’s already in the mod in a different form.

[hot zephyr]

flasks are dumb

i wish they didn't exist

[small timber]

at least calamitas brew is half-nerfed so there is progress, I think

[hot zephyr]

the quality of the debuff rework was severely hindered by the fact melee just gets every debuff for free

[small timber]

previously it was like, a 60 dps DoT on a (not even) flask

[crude geode]

I wish they didn’t as well tbfh but they should at least be addressed if the debuff rework is to continue

[hot zephyr]

we couldn't get wacky

[crude geode]

This idea seem fine?

[drowsy plank]

flasks other than ichor and cursed flame (and also kinda including them tbh) are just more damage. like it's a fancy way to give you another wrath potion basically

[vale vale]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

Neat concept but it feels funky to clone the flask debuffs

[small timber]

Probably can just be something like "Flasks apply Lesser version of their debuff at 50% effectiveness", something like that
(Inb4 the lesser version stacked with the full version)

[oblique epoch]

wait

[hot zephyr]

for how long

[inner anvil]

So have two copies of the same weapon? I would prefer not to.

[hollow idol]

real terraprisma (elemental axe)

[small timber]

Upgrade of terraprisma summons eol to fight for you like the elemental stones (real)

[hollow shell]

So uh

Is this sugg a tester ping

[hot zephyr]

No

We already decided what was going to happen to Terraprisma

[hollow shell]

Is that public info

[hot zephyr]

The nerf that was voted upon didn't get implemented in time for the port.

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[hollow shell]

Alright so it's just gonna get nerfed, but hasn't yet

[hot zephyr]

Yep

[hollow shell]

Fair enough

[hot zephyr]

idk I'm in the camp where we just nerf it, and if one day a dev wants to add a supa dupa terraprismer EX that's fine

and if not, oh well

[fallen plover]

The Arcane suggestion is a good idea imo

Making different reforges relevant for different classes is a step in the right direction

Rather than slapping warding or menacing or lucky on everything

[drowsy plank]

i contributed the mana reduction part there and i agree it's def a good idea

[hot zephyr]

Quick fans rise up

[fallen plover]

Quick is good too

[drowsy plank]

quick is based

[fallen plover]

Warding is more my taste

[red edge]

quick is amazing for no hits

[hot zephyr]

Mana cap is still real iirc so %reduction makes more sense

[fallen plover]

Yeah like 3% mana reduction would be a good amount

Actually idk, 21% mana reduction could be a lot

I don’t know shit about balancing to be honest

[drowsy plank]

when are we getting the ammo reduction modifier /s

[fallen plover]

Wouldn’t really be useful

I definitely saw the /s

Also the flask idea is good but the issue is definitely whether it would stack, because if it does stack then it’s over powered but if it doesn’t then there is so reason to use the flask, just get a weapon that applies the strong verison

[unique vector]

arcane should either be mana reduction or mana regen

[fallen plover]

Maybe the ichor flask could not apply ichor but instead inflict some defense damage for a bit, idk about the cursed flame flask

[unique vector]

i havent rlly decided which

[fallen plover]

I feel mana reduction would be stronger as the game goes on, but regen would be stronger early game

Also depends on if the regen is like +X amount of mana per second or or X% increase in regeneration

[crude geode]

Mana reduction would apply to both “variations” of mage which is good, but regen would fuck over mana pot spam which is hilarious

[fallen plover]

What are the “variations”?

I only played mage once

[crude geode]

You either mana pot spam or use mana regen

Or are quirky and use injector

[fallen plover]

I always have mana pot spammed

Easier to just endlessly shoot with 9999 mana potions

[neat linden]

What if both

[fallen plover]

Read their message above

[fallen plover]

These two

Oh

[neat linden]

yes what if both

[fallen plover]

Nvm

[neat linden]

but honestly

[fallen plover]

Read wrong

[neat linden]

redu sounds better overall

[fallen plover]

Both would be way over powered

[neat linden]

calam's mana regen is already insanely powerful

[fallen plover]

Yeah

[neat linden]

i don't think we really need more

[fallen plover]

I wonder how the Dps from reduction would compete with menacing and lucky

Gonna depend on the weapon honestly

Less mana sickness would benefit continuous mana weapons more, such as last prism

But not so much wand types

[fossil finch]

Scoria ore isn't dangerous, the projectiles that come out of it are

Making scoria highlight because of danger sense would make no sense

[versed cape]

traps arent dangerous, the projectiles that come out of them are

[hollow shell]

You need to add a reason to your suggestion

An explanation
Not just, repeating your title line

[fossil finch]

Unlike the ore, which is an ore, traps don't have another purpose

[versed cape]

so what?

does that reduce their lethality or something?

[fossil finch]

it does

[hollow shell]

I can see an argument for them getting lit up by Danger

I just want the suggestion to be a proper suggestion

[versed cape]

will do

[fossil finch]

Yes scoria being something you actively mine anyway reduces it's lethality by infinity
I gain a lot by knowing a trap is there with dangersense, not the same with scoria

[versed cape]

do I just delete and repost it better?

[hollow shell]

You can edit

[fossil finch]

First of all because scoria already glows

[hollow shell]

Does it

Oh yeah it does

[fossil finch]

It has a glowmask yeah

[versed cape]

like barely lol

[fossil finch]

yeah uh

Lol lmao!

[hollow shell]

That's better Duck though you should probably add some of the counterarguments you brought up here

Them being comparable to traps, and the fact that they're ore does not reduce their lethality

[fossil finch]

Danger sense wouldn't really help much with dodging this projectiles

[versed cape]

it would make avoid going there

[swift wharf]

you also have your own light which makes them more visible

[versed cape]

not really

no light is big enough

[fossil finch]

It definitely does

[versed cape]

to replace dangersense

[fossil finch]

The projectile itself already glows and you're most likely going down there to just continue or get to a chest anyways

[swift wharf]

if the issue is fighting minibosses

can't you just mine the ore first?

[versed cape]

I dont want to make an abyss arena everytime

[swift wharf]

unless you're pre golem and now you can call me a fool

[versed cape]

and having the space by small is also good

[hollow shell]

(This is a lot of resistance for this one suggestion) 🤔

[fossil finch]

You aren't fighting any minibosses pre golem

[versed cape]

I want to do an ocean only playthrough, so maybe thatll happen

but idk

abyss without suit for a long period of time sounds unfun

[fossil finch]

mining the ore is not "making an arena" but go off
Layer 4 also exists

[versed cape]

but what if youre in a small world

layer 4 in a small word is smaller than enchanted sword shrine vertically

[fossil finch]

Small worlds aren't really supported
And that's not a constant

[versed cape]

again but like all of these are weird get arounds

by your logic, most vanilla qol stuff wouldnt exist because its not completely necessary

[unborn oriole]

Why are you not on a medium/large world

[fallen plover]

I don’t think it matters whether scoria is an ore or not, the drips from the ore being an environmental danger should be detected by dangersense

Regardless of how easy they are to dodge or not

[versed cape]

^^^^

cobwebs are literally solid blocks

and are marked as well

[fallen plover]

If it isn’t difficult to implement I don’t see why not

[hollow shell]

I mean, ideally the player would be able to tell what the new items are, because they would be more useful to them at their tier

[drowsy plank]

i suppose maybe at certain weapon shops it could be a problem but also.

npcs that sell weapons

[hollow shell]

And if there's gray area on what's useful for their tier, then that's fine, because even if they mistake an old item for a new one, they were still alerted to something that's useful to them that they were previously unaware about

[violet pivot]

just a one time thing something similar at when you get new items in your inventory and the game highlight them for you to see what you got recently

[hollow shell]

Ok but why

I mean it's not a bad idea

I just don't think it's that big a deal considering we already tell the player that there are new items

[crude geode]

The only reason for this is “qol”

Which is not valid enough for an actual sugg

[vapid crane]

there's not really any reasons against it

[crude geode]

That doesn’t make it a valid sugg

[violet pivot]

its only that, a qol suggest nothing special

Its hard to keep track of everything without a wiki and sometimes you can miss a new item just for that

[hollow shell]

Alright sure I'll concede Stink's suggestion as being fine.

Because
God damn it, I thought Soul of Cryo's noisiness got fixed ages ago

Either it was never really fixed in the first place, or the 1.4 port broke it

[dreamy burrow]

oh, it's broken rn? dang

[hollow shell]

There is supposed to be some method that makes only one out of every X icicles actually make a noise upon landing

[dreamy burrow]

That makes a lot more sense, I've kept asking myself "who decided that this noise was a good idea smh"

[crude geode]

you were saying, before soul of cryo got brought up?

[hollow shell]

Stink's suggestion is fine. There's really not too much elaboration to be had in support of it, it is just "It would be nice if the new items got highlighted too"
We have a ❕ indicator for new items, so why not indicate the exact new items when you open up the shop

[crude geode]

Eh I disagree but if that’s your decree nothing to it but to accept it and just not vote it

[dreamy burrow]

I mean, how are shops ordered?
It's not alphabetical, or based on price

that suggestion could manifest as simply as "newest items are last in the shop"

[burnt condor]

I'm pretty sure it's by item type?

[dreamy burrow]

looking at rogue shop, it's
Weapons, accessories, potions, weapons, accessories, pet.

(at least, at my stage after mech bosses)

merchant's stuff is all over the place

[hollow shell]

I'm pretty sure the newest items (added by Calamity) are always located at the end but I could be wrong

I know the Merchant's inventory updates throughout in vanilla, but I think any mod-added ones are simply appended to the end

[dreamy burrow]

I know Cirrus' shop isn't always added on to the end

because the odd mushroom has been at the end since she spawned in my world, but new stuff has come in since

lemme check a diff world to see where one of the higher tier bandit's weapons is in the shop

[crude geode]

It’s likely inconsistent

[dreamy burrow]

bear's eye is still the last item

so it looks like the stuff added by calamity tends to be toward the end of the shops, and newer stuff tends towards the end of the shops, but not usually at the end of the shops

[drowsy plank]

good suggestion

[dreamy burrow]

I'm kind of hoping it's more of an oversight from when they added the minion damage penalty, rather than a decision to nerf those armor sets

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[dreamy burrow]

'cause besides the valhalla knight armor, those tavernkeep sets all pmuch go unappreciated

and this way, they'll be viable for their respective classes, not just summoners, giving for example a ranger class a few actually useful sentries to keep pressure up

[drowsy plank]

ye

[hollow shell]

Recipes grrrr

I'd rather it be a permanent mainstay in his inventory, even if it means we brute-force add it to his shop, causing duplicates with the original tiger skin when it appears

That way all you need is for the travelling merchant to appear EVER with no RNG involved in the resulting shop

which is definitely going to happen dozens of times before you reach the tank weapon

[drowsy plank]

oh it's a donor

i was gonna ask why the hell tiger skin was even in the recipe in the first place

the obvious solution is to add a tiger mob that drops tiger skin

[fossil finch]

The more obvious solution is to kill donor weapons

Feast on their blood

Except glorius end that one's fine

[onyx lotus]

I have issues with the gatligator as well. The only reason I didn't bring that one up was because I started playing ranger I was already planning on using it, so I was always checking on the merchant.

And this is with me playing with the Settled Merchant mod.

[drowsy plank]

trashers drop the gatligator at a 5% chance

[onyx lotus]

I did notice that.

But only after I bought two from the merchant.

[drowsy plank]

@steep kettle that is a bug caused from players dying, not an intended mechanic, furthermore, it's expected for multiplayer to be buggy, but this is an already known issue, if you just want to delete that

[gray nebula]

me when a donor item ends up forcing us to invalidate the traveling merchant even harder than he is normally getting invalidated

[balmy grail]

hello, i am creating a terraria server to play with friends, but where can i find the calamity files to add it to the server

[dreamy burrow]

imo travelling merchant just isn't common enough

rng wouldn't matter if she shows up daily

[onyx lotus]

Wrong channel for this.

[balmy grail]

where should i write it?

[dreamy burrow]

#help-advice-read-pins

[onyx lotus]

It still sucks. Beds are nice, but that's still arbitrarily waiting.

[dreamy burrow]

cosmolight :D

[onyx lotus]

My impression of Calamity so far is that it's constantly reducing the amount of RNG that makes vanilla terraria grindy

[dreamy burrow]

singlehandedly most useful item in any mod ever

[onyx lotus]

That'll probably work with the Settled Merchant mod, but the base issue remains in Calamity itself.

[steep kettle]

so a bug that makes a fight like just end itself at random is just, expected to happen?

i feel like that isnt an excuse to break multiplayer availability for an entire late game bossfight

[drowsy plank]

not expected, they are fixing it in the next patch, but you're just going to have to deal with bugs atm because this is literally the first update on this version

[steep kettle]

malice is also getting removed in the next patch tho 😭

is it not?

[gaunt tiger]

it is indeed

[steep kettle]

me and the boys could definitely beat the fight even with the despawn glitch on death mode but on malice mode its just another thing holding us back

idk

just how it is ig

[grave zinc]

@sudden knot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Crafting Recipe for the Finch Staff]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

suggestion approval jumpscare

i love the new finch staff recipe it's really cute

[sudden knot]

^-^

catch a bird, make it your friend

[novel belfry]

cool

[random pasture]

A lot of the issue with arcane as a modifier is due to the hard cap on mana

Meaning at a certain point arcane does literally nothing since your mana cannot increase past the hard cap you already hit from the accessories and armor itself

So even if they increased mana by a bigger number you would just hit the cap faster

[drowsy plank]

which is why we included mana reduction and people were even considering adding mana regen

[elder estuary]

@small timber law of averages aside I have up a no-damage-variance mod if you want to retest your damage stats, normally there's an inherent +-15% roll as well as a 2nd "take roll if better or worse" for positive/negative luck

[hollow shell]

Calamity reduces that to a +-5% iirc

And Calamity also makes it so Luck has no effect on damage rolls whatsoever

[small timber]

ya calamity variance is only -5% so it has a lot lower impact, and since I am testing it based on boss kill time + dps I think it should be fine (having 0 damage variance is a bit unrealistic)

[elder estuary]

👍 I see

[violet pivot]

volatile gelatin should be added to the recipe of the absorber a lot of accessories in the recipe has the gimmick of you "get hit you do something"

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure they've removed most expert drops from item recipes at this point

[crude geode]

Can we not shove random accessories into things kthxbye

[small timber]

we dont need to repeat the abomination that is old amalgam (literally) again

and admittedly most of this type of effect just end up being completely useless and just bloat tooltip on the item, even the current absorber on-hit effect are bad except for the hp convert one

[drowsy plank]

one thing i never got is why they kept honey comb on plague hive instead of hive pack

plague hive doesnt even give you honey healing on hit like comb does

[small timber]

I think it is just make more sense effect wise (release bee on hit is from honey comb, no honey can be explained as it is plagued), hive pack is increase strength of bees
but ya it pretty much only make sense funcitonally but not thematically

[drowsy plank]

i meant why keep "Release bees when damaged" and Honey Comb instead of the Hive Pack and the increased bee damage

like "when damaged" effects that don't directly affect the damage in some defensive way like Cross Necklace or Sponge kinda suck

esp if you're just gonna remove half the functionality of it

like why even bother upgrading alch flask

[crude geode]

This person has never used mana cloak

[small timber]

oh right I forgot hive pack used to be a direct buff to plague bee weapons, my guess is just they changed it because it is an extra balancing factor so they can just have to balance the weapon themselves instead

[drowsy plank]

cloak is the exception not the rule

considering cuffs exist and do the same sort of "mana recovery on hit" and aren't nearly as good

cloak has so many things going on that make it strong that most of the "on hit" items just dont have

[hollow shell]

Why do so many people have shitty friends

So shitty that they feel like they have more luck asking for the mod to be changed than to just tell them to stop

[hot zephyr]

good, bad

I'm the guy with the microwave

[gaunt tiger]

silence is golden

duct tape is silver

😔

[fallen plover]

I play my game with sound off anyway, but being able to selectively mute sounds would be nice

There is an mc mod that lets you choose any sound being made and then you can mute it

[fossil finch]

Its weird how its a constant

A lot of suggs have gone by asking for things because "their friends do x"

[fossil finch]

Also i believe it already exists

[hollow shell]

For Terraria?

I haven't heard of that

[fossil finch]

Well of course it's toggled off thanks to the mod

Byeah i recall someone already made it

Whether or not it's compatible with mods is another thing

[hollow shell]

@native mica Then just, tell him to stop?

[inner anvil]

Give him an ultimatum, I don't know man.

[hollow shell]

I don't know why the mod has to add a toggle to fix what is purely just an issue with your friend

(and by the time we implement it if we do, your playthrough will probably be over already)

[lunar sequoia]

p90 SUX!

this is the first time i play calamity

and a friend told me there was a p90 (im a big fan of the wep)

and he told me it had incredible rate of fire but

im trying to use it RN and literally anything from early hardmode is better

i made crystal bullets to see if it was worth it since the good attack speed

but not even with that

im using darts to lower enemy defenses

still sux

[hollow shell]

(we do nerf crystal bullets in the mod)

[lunar sequoia]

the clockwork that wall of flesh drops is WAY better

[hollow shell]

But alright, I'll grab a tester

[inner anvil]

Wonder who he'll grab.

[hot zephyr]

@lunar sequoia are you using armor penetration at all

[hollow shell]

Ah

[lunar sequoia]

yes thats what i was trying to get now

but if i have to do too many pen equips i rather just use other weapon cuz i dont want to be too squishy

[gaunt tiger]

ooh ooh let me spin the wheel

[inner anvil]

Excuse you?

[gaunt tiger]

a wheel of torment

[inner anvil]

Lmao, he's asleep.

[gaunt tiger]

f

well memes

: )

[inner anvil]

What's up?

[unborn oriole]

Yes yes p90 is poopoo now

The spread hardly hits anything

But with some decent loadout it works awesome

[inner anvil]

Fine, I'll be the one testing P90 to give a final judgement.

[unborn oriole]

I wonder why the p90 was retiered

Was it too strong or too weak? Overshadowed or underused?

[inner anvil]

Many things happened to P90 during it's history.

[unborn oriole]

Poor boy, it was my favorite gun

[distant gyro]

a lot happened to p90 but for the longest time it is the most op weapon of its tier

[unborn oriole]

Funny story, at the time of 1.5 to 1.5.1 i was doing a p90 only self-challenge

Then 1.5.1.3 dropped and it got retiered

And all my chances against DoG dropped to zero

I'm trying again to see how far i get without becoming summonner with extra steps

[inner anvil]

At which point in progression do you get P90 at?

[small timber]

hardmode sells by armsdealer

hardmode start

[hollow shell]

(It used to be post-Plantera)

[lunar sequoia]

a friend told me "hey calamity has a p90 and it makes my computer rly slow when it shoots rolf"

so i was kind of exited :P

i rly love ultra rapid fire guns

[small timber]

it used to fire 2 bullet at once which is what was causing lag I think (and kinda unique property of the gun)

basically it scales exceptionally off with armor reduction/armor pen but is incredibly weak otherwise, and now it is just weaker megashark

[hollow shell]

It used to have the fastest possible fire rate and I think also fired multiple bullets at once yeah

So it was very
noteworthy
for a long time

Eventually balance caught up to it

[drowsy plank]

hey at least you got shredder still

[inner anvil]

I'm testing P90, such a weird weapon to balance, if you have an emblem and musket bullets, it's bad, if you have armor pen, it's still bad, if you combine those, it's probably bad, if you slap cursed inferno bullets, it becomes balanced or OP.

[small timber]

what about ichor vs cursed inferno? since I thought ichor will be the breaking point
but ya I remember cursed inferno bullet have very high base damage

conclusion: nerf cursed inferno

[inner anvil]

And plus, this is such a boring weapon.

[small timber]

ya, it is just weaker mega shark available earlier

[hollow shell]

It is a shame that its gimmick was too balance-breaking to live

Now it's just pretty fast

instead of
ungodly fast

[grim tusk]

Viable on polterghast with bloodfire bullets for instance

[hollow shell]

(What if P90 was returned to its previous function but like 1/2 or 2/3s of the bullets were always Musket Rounds and unaffected by any kind of stat boosts)

[eternal escarp]

who is blast 1 and who is blast 2

[lunar sequoia]

what if

[small timber]

why will terraspark need to have frog legs

[lunar sequoia]

u give it more attack speed or damage

but also a hueg spread

so u have a rapid firing gun that deals good damage

[eternal escarp]

P90 cant physically cant more speed i believe, its practically at the maximum i think

[lunar sequoia]

but at cost of range?

[hollow shell]

No, you're thinking of it before

[lunar sequoia]

current one fires kinda slow

[hollow shell]

Right now its usetime is 5, which is far above the limit

[eternal escarp]

oh its slowed down now?

i stand corrected then

[lunar sequoia]

imean not slow but not max

[small timber]

amphibian boots getting flipper seems, reasonable? basically give water affinity, but not insert into terraspark

[eternal escarp]

yeah

just wondering if im 1 or 2

[small timber]

we dont need a jumpspeed boost that is always accessible just because yes

[eternal escarp]

though making it have spread would ruin the point of a, yknow, P90?

[small timber]

ya I think it get changed from 2 to 5 (usetime), and its damage was like, 2 or something

[hot zephyr]

why does an accessory NEED to be relevant throughout the entire game

terraspark getting a jump speed boost would invalidate MOAB, as well

[eternal escarp]

and why does it need to go into terraspark+

[small timber]

and at that point it will probably just end up something along the line of "nerf players innate jump speed boost to account for terraspark's jump speed boost"

[eternal escarp]

if anything make it its own line tbh,.,..,,

[hot zephyr]

its green

[eternal escarp]

guh my point! eviscerated!

byeah

not everything needs to last 100% of the run

[small timber]

next suggestion in the line will be "make fairy boots part of component of terraspark boots and give it fairy boots effect"

[eternal escarp]

and even if some things do

why does it all need to funnel into the same place

if you REALLY want players to not be locked to terraspark

sugg amphibian to become its own competing line

your sugg doesnt actually solve the fact you are "locked" to angel treads, if anything it furthers such idea

[hot zephyr]

hellfire treads sweep

[inner anvil]

Okay, I'll give P90 a conclusion, it's bad but if cursed inferno OP.

[eternal escarp]

I also suggest adding the effects of the Amphibian Boots to the Terraspark Boots which comes with adding the former to the Terraspark Boot's recipe as well. This change would serve to make the boots have utility past their original crafting, which almost all other boots in the game have.
no it doesnt serve the boots use it serves the boots to become recipe fodder AND further buffs the boots for no real reason

[small timber]

ya, I dont remember terraspark boots being underused, not even close

[hot zephyr]

fuck it
make amphibian boots go into MOAB instead of frog leg

[small timber]

especially that boots are so valuable pre-HM when you cant get 200% MS yet

[swift wharf]

does the p90 pierce tiles and enemies or armor

[inner anvil]

P90 shoots fast.

That's it.

Nothing else.

[eternal escarp]

I suggest slightly buffing the Amphibian Boots by giving the Sailfish Boots increased water mobility as well as reducing breath loss (not negating it). These changes would obviously transfer over the the Amphibian Boots as well. Additionally, the Amphibian Boots should be crafted at an anvil instead of a Tinkerer's Workshop so that they are pre-boss and can be made without fighting the goblin invasion.
why make it anvil? post goblin is effectively pre boss, making it 0.5 tier earlier changes nothing tbf

[hot zephyr]

why break consistency with literally every other boot

[eternal escarp]

every other pre HM accessory combination*

[hot zephyr]

[eternal escarp]

@kindred creek anyways start reading from here

your sugg kinda just slaps itself with what it wants and what it proposes

[gray nebula]

don'tbmake terraspark even fatter in terms of effects

[swift wharf]

fake p90 smh

[small timber]

I am fine with amphibian boots (or rather, sailfish boots) having some kind of water affinity (swimming, breath loss reduction...), but the rest of the suggestions seems to be all over the place

[eternal escarp]

honestly a good idea though

[hot zephyr]

i am all for making the weird alt boots cool but don't just throw them into terraspark

imagine if hellfire treads just became terraspark...

or fairy boots....

[eternal escarp]

throwing them in terraspark is the opposite of not locking the player out of terraspark

[hot zephyr]

yeah water boosts for amphibian boots sounds kinda fine altho it'd be weird with all the other frog-adjacent accs

[eternal escarp]

frog leg + flippers
the combination no one needed

[small timber]

(also didnt frog gear being used in statis ninja belt make it require 2 set of tiger climbing gear)

[drowsy plank]

yes

[eternal escarp]

you can buy it from bandit atleats

though thats kinda wacky i thnik

[hollow shell]

re: The entire first paragraph

Kind of a funky strat to suggest making a former alternative to Terraspark Boots more viable
by uh
making it so they aren't an alternative anymore
and loading up the Terraspark line even more

Sounds counterproductive?

[eternal escarp]

exactly what ive been saying!!

counterproductive is exactly the word to describe it

[small timber]

oh right, the suggestion is actually "amphibian boots is too weak compare to terraspark, so lets buff amphibian boots and then insert the same buff into terraspark"

[drowsy plank]

i think amph getting the hover boot effect would greatly improve their viability, but regardless, i think just adding more boot upgrade lines is a much better idea than making more stupid stat sticks

[hollow shell]

Yes, I think it would be interesting to have multiple boot lines running in parallel

[drowsy plank]

also while it would be cool if sailfish did something kinda like dune on sand (arguably i could see flurry getting a similar effect on snow/ice) this is kinda getting into the teritory of like 3 suggestions at once, and not all of them are good

[eternal escarp]

hellfire and fairy exist so atleast there are options early on

[small timber]

imagine if terraspark have the effect of:
spectre boots ; hellfire treads ; fairy boots ; dunestridder sand speed ; frog leg ; 15% speed from anklet and aglet

[eternal escarp]

:xd:

right nitroless

[drowsy plank]

fairy boots my beloved
literally a straight upgrade compared to terra when in combat lmao

[swift wharf]

I think amphibian boots is fine tbh

[small timber]

amphibian boots not being crafted from spectre do make it a bit pale in comparison to other boots I feel, but ya putting it into terraspark is not the way

[drowsy plank]

amph boots are okay but i almost always prefer a spectre boot upgrade and using frog leg along side it instead. it's not like fairy and terra where terra is better for exploration and fairy is better for combat

[hollow shell]

Perhaps, not giving Amph the hover effect, but rather giving them a higher top speed and perhaps adding Magiluminescence to an upgrade in its line
That way, the Amph Boot line has faster snappier movement
While Terraspark is the one with more utility, like the hover (flight time), ice walking, and lava immunity

And then either Angel Treads or Seraph Tracers has an "OR" which can take either line

[drowsy plank]

i could see that yeah

[small timber]

maybe, though it will be quite an extension of upgrade lines

[eternal escarp]

i wonder if people really do sometimes just post a sugg and then go to sleep or something

[hollow shell]

This would go into the proposed post-ML wingboot - boot separation quite well I think

[hollow shell]

yeah there's a Don't about this for a reason :\

[eternal escarp]

oh right!

[frozen hornet]

My favourite thing about hellfire/fairy rework is I can wear 3 pairs of boots at once while having a reason to do it

giga drip

[drowsy plank]

truuuu

[neat summit]

Friend said to me the spectre riffle isn't balanced at all, he destroyed boss like Léviathan

[small timber]

ya, spectre rifle is tested to be "quite overpowered"

[drowsy plank]

im hoping the seraph alt line is a combo of fairy and hellfire, i love fairy but they cant stand up to angel treads, and hellfire seems really cool but i cant find a good place or reason to use them over fairy or terra

[small timber]

^

[neat summit]

But why they did that

[small timber]

sometimes testing did not cover every single weapon before a patch is released, it is just one of those cases

basically ya it is unbalanced right now, what I mentioned is a tester was requested to test the weapon later and found it to be "quite overpowered"

[kindred creek]

#suggestions-posting message

I made some changes to my suggestion

can yall take a look and give feedback?

[drowsy plank]

what did you even change

wait no you didnt there's no "(edited)" tag

[drowsy plank]

if you did try to change it, it either didnt save, or isnt displaying on my phone

[swift wharf]

not edited for me either

[inner anvil]

Edited for me. Shrug.

[drowsy plank]

i love discord

[swift wharf]

bro wtf

[drowsy plank]

ok this still just. sucks as an idea

[swift wharf]

yeahhh

also I don't spectre is better than amphibian

[drowsy plank]

you'd either need to remove frostspark or make it require ANOTHER set of boots which like
why
plus now every single useful boot in the game has frog leg so what's the point of statis line

[swift wharf]

tbf spectre just exists there

[drowsy plank]

plus how would you even handle having frostspark effects without frostspark. like. do i need to add an aglet, anklet, and ice skate to the recipe now

[swift wharf]

wouldn't the idea just be frostspark + lava treads + amphibian boots

[drowsy plank]

i feel like you looked at everything people said and only took look one point to heart which was me saying this is like 3 suggs in one. which this is still like 2 and making amph craftable at anvil would not make them better considering gobs are pre-Boss like that isnt the issue here

[drowsy plank]

idk it depends on what the point was here. either way it's weird

[swift wharf]

do you really need

amphibian boots pre boss

or pre invasion

[kindred creek]

well I just think theyre so useless right now that there isnt really a desire to get them

[swift wharf]

Sticking to just buffing them would be better than also buffing terraspark

[kindred creek]

aight

ill change it to something around just buffing them

[swift wharf]

although they're pretty good imo, used them until I got angel treads

[drowsy plank]

i liked rover's idea of adding mag to them/an upgrade of em so they have the same horizontal speed as their competitors at least

that and no boot flight was the main reason i passed on them for terra/fairy and just use leg/upgrades wholesale instead

[kindred creek]

aight, changes the suggestion to just be about buffing them.

[fossil finch]

Amphibians are literally like better than terraspark on their own if you don't care about lighting speed

[hollow shell]

That's better, thank you Equinox

[lunar sequoia]

another thing about balance

wall of flesh droped me a kitteh flametrhower

which is quite powerful for a first early hardmode weapon...

[hollow shell]

How powerful exactly

[eternal escarp]

last ive checked it, it wasnt really that strong

but yeah specifying how strong exactly would help

[lunar sequoia]

its better than the normal flametrhower

which requires souls dropped from stronger bosses

[small timber]

@ blast , I mean it is probably more of a case of the normal flamethrower being massively underpowered for a post-mech weapon tbh

[ripe owl]

I am here yet again

Asking for you credit card information

[frail mantle]

shouldn't server suggestions go to the modmail instead of the suggestions channels

[ripe owl]

Oh yeah that's true

I clearly have an inability to read

It was that bad a year ago

Because I made a su- wait

Wait!

I made it on December

So it wasn't that bad actually