suggestions-discussion

[orchid cairn]

but in calamity theres tons of other minions you can get

[sullen moon]

[drowsy plank]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Lunar_Hook

[hollow shell]

octopus
4 hooks

[drowsy plank]

he's a paraplegic octopus dont make fun of him

[hollow shell]

wew

Yeah Phase 2 DoG should not deal contact damage before the teleport
I dunno if it should even fade in

[inner anvil]

I really thought I reported this a long while ago.

[frosty trellis]

@small timber It's not great on Death either, as I have been clipped by the head in death in both 1.5.1.6 and 2.0.0.3 before, so it's a problem in death as well

[crisp lagoon]

y'know what this mod needs, more metal gear revengence references lol

[swift wharf]

no

[hollow shell]

@short inlet bad

@narrow otter That's cool art and you could go share it in our Art Server if you want

But the suggestion in that state doesn't really fly

You gotta explain why there should be unique Death relics
And for fairness the image would probably be excluded, as suggestions are typically about their concepts rather than exact execution

[narrow otter]

oh

i kinda didnt know how to explain so i just made an image and just called it a day

[inner anvil]

You could make it an Add-On mod.

If you decide to sprite all of them lmao.

[narrow otter]

errr

i dont do pixel art so ill pass on that

[inner anvil]

Yeah, it's fine.

[narrow otter]

so what should i edit it and give better explanation?

or is it gonna get trashed

[hollow shell]

You can edit it if you want yeah

[narrow otter]

aight

[gaunt tiger]

it wouldn't be too hard to have slightly edited trophies on death

but it would be cool as fuck

[narrow otter]

agreed

i slightly edited

[drowsy plank]

...you didnt edit it correctly tho

You gotta explain why there should be unique Death relics

also u dont really need to include the "idk" part

i guess "a step up" is the why but

[hollow shell]

The bit that is there is "considering it is a step up from both master and revengence mode"
And that's partly the explanation I was expecting

Death uhh will be the highest difficulty mode in Calamity
And Relics are available as rewards for doing Master or Revengeance mode, symbols of status, your accomplishment

So having an upgraded form of those rewards for the higher difficulty mode is a reasonable step to take

[narrow otter]

should i being coping that down into the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

hey what about this

Calamity adds a number of Relics that are obtainable from its modded bosses, which drop in both Master and Rev+. However, Death Mode is considered a higher difficulty than both, so I think a set of unique relics for this mode could be a good addition. They could be differentiated from normal relics by being Brimstone themed, similarly to the Death difficulty enabling item and maybe slightly bigger?

Furthermore, this would also allow Calamity to have Vanilla bosses drop Relics on its own difficulties, which normally isn’t possible due to programming limitations.```

[narrow otter]

aurgh

ooo

[hollow shell]

Looks fine yeah

[narrow otter]

yeah i like that

that sounds so much more professional than mine

im not used to making suggestions

[drowsy plank]

tbh it could set up a pretty decent reward curve;
have lore items drop on normal, trophies always drop on expert, relics always drop on rev/master, and the death trophies drop on death

understandable

it was cool art tho so i wanted to make sure it had a chance to reach voting

[narrow otter]

thank you!

[drowsy plank]

👍

[narrow otter]

that took an hour and it woulda taken alot more if i made all bosses

[drowsy plank]

@dreamy burrow doesnt cal, or at least the sister mod calamities vanities, already do this?

[drowsy plank]

i can imagine lmao

[dreamy burrow]

I'm not familiar with those

[narrow otter]

yes

[swift wharf]

the uhhhh

[drowsy plank]

https://terrariamods.fandom.com/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities

[swift wharf]

daawnlight thingy accessory has that functionality

in cal

[drowsy plank]

it's made by yuh who's a dev so it might as well be official

[narrow otter]

aurgh i feel kinad bad for copying and pasting your words are you fine with that

[drowsy plank]

yes

[narrow otter]

ok

[drowsy plank]

if you didnt send it it would just be me sending it and it would've taken one of my sugg slots

[hollow shell]

argh I am conflicted on whether or not to let the art through

[drowsy plank]

i totally get that

[narrow otter]

oh wait do mods decide if art can go through

or just suggestions as a whole

[hollow shell]

We haven't had original images (i.e. art) to go along with suggestions in a very long time

[drowsy plank]

mods decide what suggs go through and the art might be straying into the "specific item suggestion" territory but... i think that the picture more as an EXAMPLE of what could be done than as an exact blueprint could be... ok...? but that's really for rover or an actual mod to decide lol

[narrow otter]

oh

[drowsy plank]

and im just going off of what i read in the rules doc

lmao you could also send this in the calval server and see if you could make yuh do it if it gets rejected here

[narrow otter]

i read the rules before i posted that so thats why i said idk if this will be allowed

[drowsy plank]

fair

hey at least you did that!

more than most people do

[narrow otter]

yeah!

i was worried but i thought it was a nice idea so i still posted it

[drowsy plank]

at least you got to share the cool art u did for it

[narrow otter]

ye

[hollow shell]

mmmm You know what I will be a nice and cool guy

You can keep the art on the suggestion

It is cool art

[narrow otter]

yay!

[drowsy plank]

based

[hollow shell]

(and I really like the kind of print style you have going on with the colored circles as you zoom in)

[narrow otter]

its becoming my favorite brush now

i love it for shading

[bright crag]

Death Draedon be pogging

It does look amazing

[narrow otter]

that one took the longest shockingly

[dreamy burrow]

Just looked through that other mod y'all mentioned, and it's a neat mod but adds too much stuff for me to want to use it, I think it'd be nice if the heart of the elements (or even just the individual ones, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in that wiki) worked in vanity normally c:

[narrow otter]

yeah thats fair

[dreamy burrow]

Though I'm now thinking I should at least mention that mod in my suggestion

[narrow otter]

i like that mod cause of the furniture so thats the only reason i use it

[drowsy plank]

calval adds mounts and light pets and blocks (and block drops from bosses) so i honestly cant imagine not using it personally

also the entire astral blight

[dreamy burrow]

Aye, it looks like a good mod, though personally at least I have a group of like... five people to convince grabbing more mods whenever someone suggests adding another mod to our list lol

[fossil finch]

you can also just ignore content but ,,,,,,, i don't think there is any way to pick this situation

[narrow otter]

i felt that

[dreamy burrow]

I think the suggestion is simple enough that it might as well be default calamity imo

also, the wiki doesn't mention the component accessories being visible individually

Which is the reason i wanted to make the suggestion, doing a desert vanity build and wanting just the sand elementals lol

[gray nebula]

return of the People posting art to go alongside their suggestion

[hollow shell]

I would much prefer quality art like that
rather than sprites like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/263382359397761025/604889026981527552/Helz_Roller-1.png_1.png

[narrow otter]

urgh

[dreamy burrow]

I think it's easier to make mistakes on pixel art because each individual pixel matters

[narrow otter]

yeah

[dreamy burrow]

and if you don't do it right, it can often just look glaring

[narrow otter]

so wait does my suggestion get posted in voting?

[dreamy burrow]

not to mention, nine times out of ten, people try way too hard to make pixel art symmetrical and "perfect"

[hollow shell]

Yeah it will after 24 hours

[narrow otter]

swag

[fossil finch]

truly a relic of the sissies

i will never get tired of that sis joke

[swift wharf]

oh I remember when I did that

[hollow shell]

Helz Roller I think was the final SIS before Terry's "Fucking ban them" suggestion

So I will remember it forever

Damn what you were Franswal the whole time?

[swift wharf]

no

But I remember making suggestions with shitty sprites

[hollow shell]

Ah yes

[swift wharf]

I used to use pastebin for them

💀

[fossil finch]

yes rover

[swift wharf]

used to use oops

[fossil finch]

it literally was the final suggestion

[hollow shell]

[swift wharf]

#suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Damn that was still after the Rogue class was invented though

Weird

[swift wharf]

huh

[swift wharf]

but I did change my username from lucas2404 at one point if you remember by any chance

[hollow shell]

I do still have that username and "Lucas the Egg" recorded in my Discord notes yes

[swift wharf]

YEAH

with the greg the egg pfp

[fossil finch]

oh my god

i went back to olden times and saw stuff like

"Add exoshiv iirc" and "playing with the shortswords late game was very fun i hope they add more"

:trollage:

[swift wharf]

i cant believe someone remembers my old username but anyways

[hollow shell]

there's a difference between remembering and writing stuff down

The brain is unreliable, mere flesh
Record information for permanence, augment your memory with external sources

[swift wharf]

still counts

byeah I was a suggestion goblin

[fossil finch]

@narrow lintel its bugged

[hollow shell]

Excuse me we disable it?

[fossil finch]

it doesn't exist because it is bugged

[narrow lintel]

I kind of assumed it was intentional because as it exists now it would be, like, game-breakingly broken with certain weapons

[fossil finch]

this is why you make absolutely and certainly sure of everything before suggesting blah blah i don't know

[narrow lintel]

and also I couldn't see anything anywhere about it being bugged

[crude geode]

#help-advice-read-pins is kinda the wrong spot to ask tbh tbh

[narrow lintel]

ok i guess your right

[fossil finch]

help and advice read pins is a pit of

[hollow shell]

Huh

Bugs doc does not mention whips at all

[fossil finch]

bugs doc does not mention 1.4 bugs at all

[hollow shell]

It does actually

[fossil finch]

and altix hasn't updated the bug pin with that

[hollow shell]

In fact there's a

[drowsy plank]

latest sugg is a real based department one

i cant believe i never thought of that one

[gray nebula]

🤨

relic of the

[drowsy plank]

damn could've sworn switching crystyl crusher's left and right click was a don't

for suggestions

but i guess not

[hollow shell]

It used to be

But then we found a way to solve the core code issue that was the reason for the switch

So, we could totally flip em back around now

if we wanted to

[drowsy plank]

hm

actually it might be nice to have that but @terse vapor you need to format your suggestion correctly for it to pass, you need a title and then a separate reasoning

[hollow shell]

indeed

[vapid crane]

wait why was it a don't?

[hollow shell]

Wrong reply?

[small timber]

Doesnt it still might accidently cause the player to fire the beam while talking to npc?

[hollow shell]

That was an issue back when the beam was instant

[drowsy plank]

i think they added a delay to the beam so that wouldnt happen

yeah

[hollow shell]

It has a charge up now

The charge up is actually the thing that made it not work on Rclick

But we've since had innovations that make it possible

(by the way I am tempted to have the bot automatically send a pinging message about title-reason separation, whenever it applies 🗜️ )

(I'll ask Nycro about that at some point)

[drowsy plank]

@coarse geyser not only does fargo's mod already have a mode named masochist which would make it confusing, but malice is being removed next update

[coarse geyser]

what’s the new mode then

[drowsy plank]

nothing

it's being removed

[coarse geyser]

wtf

then why the hell are they removing it

[drowsy plank]

it's poorly designed, basically just bloat with all the other difficulties in 1.4, and the devs dont feel like expanded on the (frankly poorly excuted) ideas added by the mode, not to mention people (including devs) just hated it

idk play infernum instead or something

id get the image but a dev themselves said all of that (though i did paraphrase it)

@coarse geyser

[gray nebula]

hopefully this hould clarify it as fuck

[drowsy plank]

oh that makes a lot of sense to have (for like one update) since it isnt like removing an item

since there isnt gonna be any leftovers like items have

[gray nebula]

one or two or three updates

up for debate

[fleet igloo]

They removed more things that people like, devs hate fun, mod is ruined forever, I'm going to leave badlamity and play the actual good mods /s

[minor shell]

am i allowed to suggest that all flails be changed to be able to perform true melee damage?

[stray cloud]

Hey guys i posted about some automatic summon switching.
search from my name, there is only that post.
Its about new summons taking the place from the old summons when using different staff.

I dont know if it is plausible but it would be a nice quality of life

[frosty trellis]

Am I allowed to post a suggestion about not letting BoC teleport quite literally right next to you after I had this happen?

[stray cloud]

Skill issue

[minor shell]

average boc no hit attempt

[stray cloud]

You guys read what i posted?

Really think this change is needed idk if someone posted it before

[minor shell]

im not much for summons so im not really qualified to critique it

[frosty trellis]

It would be a nice QoL change after doing a Master-Death summoner run

I won't lie

But I actually am against it

As oversummoning something by accident would cause some issues

Especially if one miscounts their minion slots

[stray cloud]

The main reason is posted in suggestion posting

[frosty trellis]

This mofo has killed me 39 times and I am so not happy bc redtide sword got removed. Would be easier with that

[stray cloud]

Its mainly bcs of loosing focus on middle of fights

[frosty trellis]

Why do you need to resummon something in the middle of a fight? Never rly did that in hm bc I was either holding a portal gun or RoD the entire time

Which was generally better

[stray cloud]

Cuz "need to change summons, now where is the icon i put next to my 30 buffs"

[frosty trellis]

Need to change summons in the middle of a fight? Why?

Also, it's always at the beginning of your buffs or somewhat near the end

[burnt condor]

I feel like overwriting summons rather than unsummoning/resummoning miiiight cause more problems than it addresses? I don't play summoner personally tho so take that with a grain of salt

[frosty trellis]

It would

As someone who has done summoner

Oversummoning gets real annoying when you miscount your minion slots

[minor shell]

maybe an item that tells you exactly how many minion slots would be nice?

[stray cloud]

Need to change summons in the middle of a fight? Why?
@frosty trellis usually at the start of HM and even pre moonlord you mainly use 2 or 3 summons to get your job done, and with the fases of each boss some summons become better at certain moments of the fight

[frosty trellis]

That would also be nice

Very nice in fact

[stray cloud]

maybe an item that tells you exactly how many minion slots would be nice?
@minor shell maybe not an item but just a number that appears when using summons

[frosty trellis]

That would also work

[burnt condor]

knowing the exact minion slot would be nice

[minor shell]

im honestly shocked that something like this isnt already a thing

[stray cloud]

I think that solves the problem of miss counting

[minor shell]

seems like a no brainer to me

[stray cloud]

Yeh

Lets make a post with all o this

Summoner is like the main objective now (bcs whips)

[frosty trellis]

From my case not as much so as you claim, as yeah, I have 2-3 summons, but that normally consist of the thing above my head/flowers, minions, a sentry, and then either something that gets stronger based on my remaining minions, or a strong minion that takes up several slots. I tend to not resummon mid fight as I never find it necessary, as my standard builds work just fine. Get some tag damage and then RoD when you need too. That's how I played in my summoner run and it worked just fine

[stray cloud]

And giving this ideas now is a good oportunity

[frosty trellis]

The issue then becomes what gets replaced?

With minions that are being summoned by a new staff

[stray cloud]

The oldest

That would work

[frosty trellis]

Ehhhhh

I can already see things that would make that annoying when you want to keep your flowers and stuff and then resummon and oops, there gone, but I don't want to remove x minion

[stray cloud]

Yeah i know what you mean about loosing your sentey

[frosty trellis]

Also, stuff that takes more than one minion slot can make that annoying, or stuff that scales off of remaining minion slots, how would that work out?

[stray cloud]

Then making de-summoning less anoying.

Also, stuff that takes more than one minion slot can make that annoying, or stuff that scales off of remaining minion slots, how would that work out?
@frosty trellis i see your point

[frosty trellis]

That would be so nice

[stray cloud]

Just make right click eliminate the summon, now that it is no longer used for the focus mechanic

Or a bind

[frosty trellis]

THAT WOULD BE GREAT ACTUALLY

[stray cloud]

When holding the staff

[frosty trellis]

Just r.click to desummon

[burnt condor]

do you think summoner would benefit from dedicated ui like rogue's stealth but for minion slots? idk I'm spitballin'

[frosty trellis]

That alone would be more than fine

[stray cloud]

Instead of r.clickong the icon

[frosty trellis]

Yes

Just to see how many slots I have

Minion and sentry depending

[stray cloud]

@frosty trellis wanna write you the idea? Im a slow writter.

And sleepy tbh

So

[frosty trellis]

Sure

I would delete your original suggestion though

[stray cloud]

R.click to desummon now that the focus mech is no longer at use

I would delete your original suggestion though
@frosty trellis bout to do that

[frosty trellis]

kk

[stray cloud]

A ui segment or something to tell you your aviable summons

And so

Rclick with staff to desumon ( or bind) and ui for summon count.

Thts all

Actually really neat.

[frosty trellis]

Can't have a suggestion stating several suggestions

And I can't have 2 suggestions going at the same time

[stray cloud]

Damn

Maybe edit only rclick to add the bind option

Imma vote for it rn

[minor shell]

could have him suggest one part of it and another person suggest the other part of it

unless he wants all the credit, then its an issue lol

[frosty trellis]

Idc

[stray cloud]

Uhh

[frosty trellis]

Bind option might be a bit much

Right click selected in hotbar is simple and makes sense with whatever exists

[stray cloud]

Yeah makes sense

Having the option would be nice nonetheless

Well gn

If the devs end up adding that imma burst out on tears of relief

Gn

[small timber]

ngl I will completely not mind if they just ditch the vanilla idea and rework boc into a soft ceaseless void

[drowsy plank]

that would be based

also tbh i think calamity wants summoner to be playable without whips so uh

id say right click targeting isnt going anywhere

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-discussion message

[minor shell]

thank god. im glad. always pissed me off that they werent considered true melee attacks

[small timber]

(I think dragon rage spin somehow is not true melee too)

because I remember testing it and was like "wait what"

[minor shell]

fym it isnt true melee?

[small timber]

I can retest it again, I remember it dont benefit from true melee damage for some reason, but that is pre 2.0

sec

[drowsy plank]

some of the launch attacks (ex; dripple crippler, tumbleweed or w/e the fuck its called) are not considered true melee bc they're. projectiles. but the close range attack (which is close range) is

[minor shell]

i still think that when the flail is "launched" it should be considered true melee (based on what i understand is a projectile, the launched flail is not one)

thats probably asking too much tho

[frosty trellis]

That would be cool, bc i don't like being teleported into for no reason

[minor shell]

common no hitter gripe of boc from what i see

[frosty trellis]

I am trying my hands at death mode nohitting since malice is getting removed soon

[drowsy plank]

it isnt just a nohitter thing

[frosty trellis]

And BoC is the first boss that's being a little bitch

[minor shell]

fr? since when were they removing malice?

[frosty trellis]

It would suck regardless bc you could die to that normally

[frosty trellis]

scroll up about an hour or two

[drowsy plank]

tbh i feel like trickle down balance is a viable view of things because even for non-no hitters getting bopped by BoC bc of cheap teleports sucks ass

[frosty trellis]

Yeah no kid

[small timber]

ok it was melee size, not true melee damage, my bad

[drowsy plank]

it doesnt make the boss impossible by any means but man is it a bad mechanic

[frosty trellis]

I already hate the cheap teleports from yharon

[small timber]

I think I was trying to stack gauntlet for melee size on dragon rage and it just dont work

[frosty trellis]

I don't need it on the exact opposite side of progression

[minor shell]

thats unfortunate. i can see why theyd remove armageddon mode but not really malice.

[minor shell]

thank god.

[drowsy plank]

honestly if you dont sugg this i might
or at least some form of request stemming from this idea

[small timber]

it is a bit high effort, but I think you can suggest it

anything is better than smashing balls into the player's face at random frequency + teleport

[frosty trellis]

I mean, if a majority of the community (and even the devs themselves) don't like malice, there really isn't a reason to keep it. It is just difficulty bloat at this point and there is a reason I don't play malice: Because it feels like it was designed to not be fun

[small timber]

phase 1 at least can definitely use a change, I dont mind phase 2 too much; bit boring but it does its job to keep identity to vanilla

[frosty trellis]

I died due to a phase 2 teleport

So no

Phase 2 needs some help

Phase 3 is fine

A bit boring, but is cool nonetheless

[small timber]

phase 2 need help but not quite complete rework I think, at least not as worse as phase 1

phase 2 just need minimum range for teleport and thats it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Phase 1 just feels boring and unituitive

But like, seriously, I have like, 4k+ crimtane ore and a shit load of tissue sample trying to nohit this mofo and I just want to move on to EoW aaaaaaaaaaa

[minor shell]

I dont know. it seems more to me like it was designed to be hard; a challenge. maybe you think its not fun, but some may enjoy the challenge. although, perhaps the introduction of master mode makes the need for malice irrelevant. and with infernum mod that could also make malice not needed. so yeah, i guess i can see the reason to remove it

[small timber]

if you are on malice or ftw at that point just use sparking empress

[frosty trellis]

Or infernum

[small timber]

it is not exactly a fair boss that you will try not to cheese

[unborn oriole]

Imagine if the update came out before mad part 10

[frosty trellis]

Several edits later

[drowsy plank]

"designed"
to claim anything in malice was thought out is an over statement just look at day 1 malice BoC
a ton of malice bosses have drastically ranging difficulty spikes rather than the rather equal increases across rev and death

[frosty trellis]

I also just don't like everything gaining a shit load of DR

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[minor shell]

i think he finished the actual fights and stuff. i mean his status is something to the effect of "malice was not that bad" os i think he finished

[frosty trellis]

For no good reason

Other than they could

That is just terrible design by itself

To even call it that

[small timber]

the testers do say many malice bosses (at the time of implementation) are not super tested out I think, especially preHM one

[drowsy plank]

literally just what master mode did lmfao

[unborn oriole]

I don't think Scal could be that of a pushover to take so little time

[small timber]

what is mad part 10? gp?

[drowsy plank]

tbh she aint much different if i recall

[small timber]

he has scal left and I think he is progressing steadily, so maybe

[minor shell]

well like i said, judging by his discord status when hes online he refers to malice in the past tense. so i think its safe to assume that he no hit her already

[frosty trellis]

Master Mode at least didn't change AI's and shit to make it even more unfair. At least Master-Death doesn't feel straight up unfair at some points, just feel like the devs need to nerf the damage of late game bosses bc I don't want to have to use The Sponge, rampart, core, asgardian aegis, community and full warding to not get two shot by everything

[unborn oriole]

I'll check it later

[minor shell]

i thought you were no hitting?

[frosty trellis]

This run yes

[gray nebula]

you can

right click to

retarget

goofy

[minor shell]

[frosty trellis]

I'm talking about my experiences when I did my standard one as Melee and as summoner

[minor shell]

i gotchya i see what you mean now

[unborn oriole]

I think he refers to right clicking the staff on the hotbar, not right clicking with the staff selected

[frosty trellis]

Fab doesn't want to pander to the no-hitting community anyways

[drowsy plank]

oh i was just referring the DR changes specifically

[gray nebula]

right clicking on the hotbar??

just right click the buff icon

[minor shell]

i see why lol its too small to be catered to so strongly

[frosty trellis]

That's annoying

And you need to find that

[gray nebula]

its basically the same

[frosty trellis]

In you buff slots

Not rly

[drowsy plank]

it is the same lmao

[frosty trellis]

You can still focus on dodging while r-clicking

[unborn oriole]

Not hard

[gray nebula]

sorry qol doesnt go as far as coding a whole new thing for it

[frosty trellis]

It's not like you guys haven't done it before

Ah

Man

[gray nebula]

i mean i never really had to urgently desummon specific minions to swap them with other ones

[unborn oriole]

Minion buffs are going to be on the right anyway

[frosty trellis]

I haven't either

Some just do

[unborn oriole]

Smh just use 3 minions max

-support minion
-dps minion
-Other minion you'll possibly use

[small timber]

(I think it is best for the suggestion to mention it too)

[frosty trellis]

Wdym?

[small timber]

like something about how currently right click with summon weapon is to retarget which whip also do its job already

[frosty trellis]

Oh right

I forgot that was a thing

[small timber]

since currently the suggestion is phrased like if right click dont do anything yet

[frosty trellis]

I completely forgot about that

[unborn oriole]

For example

• Caustic dragons
• Mounted scanner
• Claspers

[frosty trellis]

Hmmm

Just replacing the function at that point

I can reword that

Yeah

[small timber]

the thing is also you can accidently right click away your buff, especially in a hurry

[unborn oriole]

Or maybe

• Caust. Drag
• Desert tiger
• Plantation staff

[small timber]

or just make summons come in a special row similar to cooldown buffs tbh, solves everything

[unborn oriole]

Hmmm

Could work

[frosty trellis]

Changed

[frosty trellis]

I would rather not focus on r.clicking a new row of buff slots when I am focusing on dodging

[unborn oriole]

Lunic eye users:

[small timber]

at the very least dont have to search among all the potion buffs, but ya

[frosty trellis]

Especially against bosses like Cryogen, Providence, and everything Dog and beyond

[small timber]

it is just an idea to thrown around, not to exactly to counter argue the suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[small timber]

since the current right click dont really serve a function anymore

[frosty trellis]

It would be nice to have regardless

[gray nebula]

goofy

way more people would use retaegetting over unsummon i feel

also whips have a limited range and some people are't going to use whips

[crude geode]

“It’s redundant now” it really isn’t tbfh

[sullen hare]

Mouse button five

[crude geode]

@kindred creek Don’t bring up the idea of a bullet hell for each player

[kindred creek]

why not?

[crude geode]

It would make the attack nigh impossible with overlapping bullets

At least for SCal

[kindred creek]

so maybe spawn another bullet hell if the players are a certain vecinity away from eachother, like 250 blocks?

[crude geode]

You could also make SCal swap targets if someone leaves the arena?

[kindred creek]

i just suggested making it bigger

so that it cannot be escaped

[small timber]

or just make scal have a provi's burn aura effect if player leave the aura at that point

[kindred creek]

oh, that's a good idea. Ill include that.

[small timber]

for calclone probably like, make it have a soft "aura arena" to indicate who the bullet hell is locked on so that it is more fair (if you try to escape you will get hit by massively accelerated projectile anyway), and for scal just do the provi thing mentioned above

trust me personallized bullet hell will make the fight completely unplayable, even just for anticheese

something are bound to go wrong

[kindred creek]

take a look at the changes

[small timber]

I think a more appropriate title for the suggestion might be "Introduce Anti-Cheese mechanic to Calclone and Scal, especially bullet hell", since it dont really looks like a rework, but that is just me

for calclone personally I will add the "aura arena" mention above (which providence herself will get in the future soon™) otherwise it will be extremely confusing why the player is taking burn damage
(this will also solve the instant acceleration problem with current calclone bullet hell)

for scal it dont need it since it has a solid block arena anyway which is a big indicator that you shouldn't escape that

[eternal escarp]

or just realize that MP is a bitch and never will be very much a perfect way to play the mod

[kindred creek]

id say most things in multiplayer work on rev+ due to the amount of projectiles added by calamity besides ML, SCal, Exo Mechs, and AEW.

maybe some of the early game bosses because of the weird things with agro, but most of it tends to work.

[crude geode]

perfect way to play the mod
Is there really one particular one?

[small timber]

ya MP is not perfect, not quite close

[kindred creek]

only other comment i would have is make multiplayer AI for the bosses, but that is a bit excessive.

[eternal escarp]

touche

but yeah MP is always going to be finnicky

[small timber]

from a recent MP playthrough I saw, on 2 players boss hp get increased by 10% only

so double dps, 110% hp

[gaunt tiger]

is calamity even balanced for mp

[kindred creek]

yeah, 2 player multiplayer is ez af

[eternal escarp]

it usually works
balanced? lmao

[small timber]

the short answer is no

[eternal escarp]

mp is never balanced

[gaunt tiger]

right?

[kindred creek]

the first boss me and my friend did upon getting into hardmode was anahita and leviathan

[eternal escarp]

the sheer fact you have 1 more person is already unbalanced

[kindred creek]

this was on death mode

[small timber]

there are also bosses like astrum deus, twins etc where their difficulty is literally more than halved for having more than 1 player; let alone infinite respawn

[kindred creek]

personally i think they should increase damage, HP, speed, and projectile speed by 50% per extra player

but that would ruin the multiplayer experience

[small timber]

oh right I just realise, Blast is terraspark not having onfire and burning immunity while lava waders have it intentional?

[kindred creek]

i mean if you have an extra player

[kindred creek]

that's a thing?

[gaunt tiger]

wait what

[small timber]

it can be intentional, since it basically will make on fire very much disappear for pre-HM and earlyHM (angel treads still give immunity), but ya it can be not very obvious

[small timber]

I guess I will suggest that since it seems more like an oversight, and I have suggestions left for that

[dreamy burrow]

Multiplayer is balanced, what do you think all that lag is for 😎 /s

but I'll be honest, I never noticed the terraspark not giving immunity to burning and on fire. I feel like it should, aye

[small timber]

fireblock is burning immunity I think, so it is just on fire
(angel treads do give fire block immunity, just tooltip didnt show; terraspark is actually dont have on-fire immunity)

[dreamy burrow]

ngl I feel like that makes it weirder

If it gives you immunity to one but not the other

[small timber]

since that is vanilla effect, vanilla dont give on-fire immunity

[fallen plover]

I like the death mode relics idea but that would be a lot of spitting so maybe not high priority for the devs

[dreamy burrow]

I feel like 90% of the work would just be doing the art

and then just adding them as drops

[swift sinew]

Ditto on that.

[prisma flicker]

whats the point of sugg where even stuff like this dont get upvoted

for real who does NOT want that

he just spawned cultist and empress by casually walking by the summons

[inner anvil]

I think we implemented that change for the next update.

[prisma flicker]

thank god

[inner anvil]

I don't know about Cultists though, I may need to ask that.

[frozen hornet]

I mean by the time cultists spawn you're probably not gonna be using chloro anyways

Lacewings are fair though

[small timber]

did the suggestion mentioned if guide to critter companionship works for lacewing?

[dreamy burrow]

I mean, chloro armor is only a little behind what's expected for golem

[swift wharf]

It didn't but I think it works

[dreamy burrow]

I often skip tiers of armor 'cause it's not worth farming mats if I'm able to just get the next tier without too much issue

[cobalt pewter]

I think even Rover and iban agreed the set bonus shouldn't touch critters without the book

#suggestions-posting message

anytime anticheese is implemented in any way, it makes the whole thing unfun iirc

just don't play multiplayer

[dreamy burrow]

I agree with that

If you personally don't like cheese strats, you personally don't need to use them 👀

[prisma flicker]

ofc i am that healing is so good

[frozen hornet]

true true

[small timber]

ya chlorophyte is incredibly broken right now, it basically have prenerf rare sand elemental heal

(or about as good)

[oak drum]

Would it make sense for forbidden & frost armor being able to be directly crafted from titanium/adamantite armor?

[cobalt pewter]

I don't remember what tiering are forbidden and frost in cal's early hm

but if they're after all mechs, then it's not a bad idea

[distant gyro]

it's the vanilla recipe

so that's fine

[oak drum]

also spectre & shroomite

[hollow shell]

(I can imagine people not upvoting because they don't know what the new set bonus is, and they don't want to make an uninformed decision)

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about it has the fastest voting growth rate of all the suggs in there besides skeletron spawn item. like 90 in a day is nothing to scoff at

[hollow shell]

Yeah the expectations of that guy are a bit high

It has significantly higher votes than the suggs around it

[cobalt pewter]

it's not like your sugg will be stuck until 200 stars

in fact it'll probably be thrown to dev once the delivery begins

[prisma flicker]

yet both didnt get past 100

[hollow shell]

It's only been one day, dude

It can still get votes

[prisma flicker]

when was the last day someone got to 200

[hollow shell]

I don't know what the fastest 0-to-200 timespan was, sorry

[frail mantle]

i mean suggestions don't even need to get to 200 anymore

[drowsy plank]

never. there has never been a single day where a sugg got 200 votes all at once. there's a reason the voting period is two weeks.

just give it some time jeez

also 200 doesnt even matter, we havent had a 200 vote sugg in like two months besides the dryad dialogue one, but that doesnt matter cause it's top 20% now anyway??

[subtle sapphire]

Top 20% ? So what you are saying is I should make 2 absolutely dumb fucking insane suggestions each day to make my serious suggestions have more chance to be looked at ? 🤔

[hollow shell]

Technically yes that is a strategy

Though honestly it'd probably be quite hard to make suggestions that are guaranteed to get a low amount of stars and also have them be valid under the rules

[small timber]

(though you have to make dumb suggestion that somehow is not dumb enough to get exclaimed right away)

[hollow shell]

Harder than just making regular suggestions

[small timber]

Make defense damage stronger in harder modes

Malice remove, death mode too easy, please buff bosses, done

[prisma flicker]

yet even with that períod i only saw one suggestion being around 170 and only one thats got accepted or delivered or shit like that

[small timber]

the vote required varies a lot (heavily) depend on the performance of other suggestions in the period, there was 1 week where even suggestions of 140 votes got accepted

this is especially true when there are more suggestions getting made, as it will drag the average down

[livid scarab]

Add a very small chance of summoning the Devourer of Gods from fishing at any point in progression

[grave zinc]

@formal spear - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Stop the new chlorophyte armor set bonus from hitting prismatic lacewings]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[prisma flicker]

bruh fuck you

[hollow shell]

🤨

[gray nebula]

that dog idea was suggested before and got the most downvotes out of any suggestion that was sent to the dev server

[livid scarab]

Excellent

[vapid crane]

the contact damage one?

[gray nebula]

the random spawn one

[hollow shell]

Nah the "make DoG spawn at random to kill you because that's what he does in the lore"

[vapid crane]

oh

[solemn dust]

Yea I hoped that idea doesnt go in

I dont feel like building when a giant cosmic serpent is on my ass

[unborn oriole]

Imagine being mining gold in early game to make a golden broadsword and suddently an endgame boss appears and fucks your ass because "It's lore accurate"

[fallen plover]

Mining for some gold then you and all your npcs die

[gaunt tiger]

I've never understood why npcs don't die isn't a more popular mod

wow heehee I love it when bosses kill my npcs

statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[hollow shell]

@cunning lodge Read the Don'ts doc in pins.

You violated two of them, maybe more

(also Yharim is going to be before the Boss Rush)

[quiet kernel]

Maybe also read a bit of lore, helps alot

[inner anvil]

Tells to the Developer.

[cunning lodge]

oh

woops

[hollow shell]

The official loredumps on the wiki have gotten taken down recently as part of the big fat rewrite, so
I don't know if there's one place you can go to learn the gist of all the lore

[inner anvil]

Lore Rework: [Insert tumbleweed GIF].

[orchid cairn]

does it make them not attack also

cause otherwise its just free DPS against bosses and invasions if they cant die

[gaunt tiger]

I don't fight near my towns, it's a qol thing tho

[crude geode]

Ah yes the like 5 dps against bosses is really gonna matter

[orchid cairn]

it will

more importantly though is the dryad's blessing

[gaunt tiger]

I dump dryad in the jungle

I don't fight near her

[drowsy plank]

the simple solution if you turn it on is to not be a neanderthal and not use NPCs to fight bosses
if it's unbalanced because you're abusing it, that's on you. why did you install it in the first place lmfao
but yeah id use anti-NPC death if Cal didnt already have the NPCs spawn at night and 10x NPC spawnrate configs

[gaunt tiger]

at that point i just don't want to have to move them into the right houses

[drowsy plank]

true

[orchid cairn]

yknow you can make them always move back into the same house when they respawn right

if you manually assign them to a house they have a gold border around their face in the house menu and it means theyll always go back there when they respawn

[dreamy burrow]

I have a suggestion I want to make, but really have no idea what to propose as part of it

all I know is that you get terraspark pre-hardmode

and the angel treads can be made the moment you beat the third mech boss

and you go from upgrading your boots through the entirety of pre hardmode, after the mech bosses, then just

not a single upgrade until after moon lord

angel treads can be made early hardmode, and the next upgrade isn't until post moon lord, I really feel there aught to be something in the middle there, but i've no idea what lmao

[hollow shell]

We will be looking at the boots and wingboots lines at some point in the future
We will likely be acknowledging and integrating the Gravistar Sabatons for their fastfall

I don't know if that means there will be any upgrades to the running boots like within hardmode after Angel Treads
But it will at least mean you get a component for the line in the middle of hardmode

[dreamy burrow]

IMO it might be nice if there was an upgrade to turn boots into wing boots pre-moon lord, and then you get seraph tracers to make them into better post moon lord wings or something

like, maybe wings equal to flame/bone/bat/bee/etc wings

if I made that a suggestion, would that fall under specific item request?

[hollow shell]

Should be fine. Depends on how you write it

[dreamy burrow]

I'll probably write it as being "I'd like an extra level/s of progression between angel treads/seraph tracers" and then provide an example or two or what it could be in the hopes to clear up what that could entail

maybe even just list a few accessories that could slip into the boots at that stage

[hollow shell]

I saw that reply

Couldn't read it unfortunately

[last locust]

oh i just said "make jared spawn at random because it would be funny" then deleted it because i thought this was #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

🤔

[dreamy burrow]

I got more into that than I was expecting to lol

[gray nebula]

this is the goofiest sugg ever

[dreamy burrow]

I recognize some of those accessories might be dumb, I even took out a few particularly dumb ideas (like the aquatic emblem, briefly was in there as I typed it out lmao)
but the suggestion isn't so much about the accessories I list, but the idea that those sort of accessories might find a place within the safety of boots <3

[gray nebula]

why would random accessories get thrown into boots

😭

oomfie we are trying to cut down on random amalgam stat stick type accessories lets not make boots require random stuff like the gizmo pack or the greedy ring

[dreamy burrow]

not gonna lie, I could have thought a bit longer about the accessories I listed, but this heatwave got my brain working overtime lol

[hollow shell]

wait what

The 1.4 inspiration is big here

Greedy Ring and Architect Gizmo Pack have no reason to be in a running boots line

[dreamy burrow]

yea, not my strong suit admittedly

but hey, discussion exists

[minor shell]

take it as you will

[unborn oriole]

Ohhh i think i know why

Because y'know

Malice is dying next update

[minor shell]

youre right lmfao im wrong

[unborn oriole]

No problem mate

[subtle sapphire]

"I believe we should put the stool in the boot line"

[minor shell]

i was about to argue but hes on rn so i asked him

he said no

[unborn oriole]

If an accesory could be getting in the boots line i think either an acceleration boosting or movement speed boosting accesory could work

But tbh i don't think adding accesories to the boots line is a good idea

[gaunt tiger]

I mean terra boots is pre boss

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

In fact

[subtle sapphire]

come on, don't you want your boots to come with a rolls dice yoyo bag ?

[unborn oriole]

No

I always play summoner lmao

If anything, i'd like the Magiluminiscence's acceleration on boots

But yeah, i'm ok with current angels

[drowsy plank]

@dreamy burrow i think the sugg would do much better to either only focus on other boot accessories, other movement speed accessories, or on the "weaker seraph tracer" idea, lest it mention accessories at all. focusing more on the reasoning of why boot upgrades between seraph and angel are a good idea would be a much better use of space than trying to suggest what to be included.

[dreamy burrow]

True, yeah that checks out

[drowsy plank]

ex; ways to add the fariy boot, hellfire tread, or gravistar sabaton effects, instead of... turning it into aeolus boots from fargos

[dreamy burrow]

I figured it'd be helpful to list a few examples of what I thoguht would fit in nicely, in hindsight I have no idea what I'm talking about lmao

[drowsy plank]

dw i think it's a good idea at its core but we all get carried away sometimes

mentioning things like the movement speed rework trivializing the need for boots, so giving their line ways to compete with other accessories or something might be a good line of thinking

[dreamy burrow]

I think i'll scrap that accessory list, and instead mention things like the fairy boot, sabatons and moab in passing

[drowsy plank]

just. dont mention moab

[dreamy burrow]

bad idea?

[drowsy plank]

moab is a fucking mess

yeah

[dreamy burrow]

lol

[drowsy plank]

and like i said. aeolus boots are right there

[dreamy burrow]

wings collectively in passing then ^^;

[drowsy plank]

dont forget these would probably be mashed into seraph tracers id imagine so
that's why i think the demon/angel wing power sugg was much better

[dreamy burrow]

I would like to bring up the movespeed rework, unfortunately I don't actually know a whole lot about it

[drowsy plank]

i think i have xpc's docs, and there's wiki documentation as well

gimme a sec

[dreamy burrow]

but for sure, I think you're right, it's best that I reel it back to focusing on just "earlier wing boots"

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vanilla_changes#Movement_Speed

this might also be interesting to look at but it's very statistical so it might not make much sense

[dreamy burrow]

smh, I had basically re-typed the whole suggestion

checked a message someone sent in DMs

and forgot to save the edit </3

I now gotta re-type about the Boot Experience™️

[swift wharf]

Reminder that the celestial shell gives immunity to nightwither and holy flames

So I reckon it's pretty good on its own

[crude geode]

@civic pond celebration mk2 is on the chopping block for a test

[civic pond]

in vanilla with proper equipment

[dreamy burrow]

alright, reworded it all and didn't forget to press enter this time

lmao

[drowsy plank]

looks better, and idr care to nitpick about which wings you use as an example for weaker tracers at this point lmao; end of the day devs decide the power if it even passes
on the other end, there are plans for a wingless boot line so you can still have a strong choice when using normal wings so perhaps that'll be a factor for consideration with this

[dreamy burrow]

aye, I figured I'd suggest steampunk/spectre wings not based on their strength but more just because of when you get them

otherwise, if it's flame wings or whatever, you might as well add them at the same time as angel treads

[drowsy plank]

yeah post-Plant or post-Golem sounds like a solid place for them, but usually the boot wings have weaker flight time than on tier wings so that's all

[dreamy burrow]

oh yeah, for sure

ty for the advice + suggestions

[drowsy plank]

👍

[gaunt tiger]

what's even the point of boot wings if they're bad tho

[dreamy burrow]

saving an accessory slot

[gaunt tiger]

but on bosses where you don't use boots, you just use wings
you don't use boots and wings

[dreamy burrow]

I mean, it's the same as seraph tracers, just a step earlier

[gaunt tiger]

now, if boots inherently had flying carpet hover

now that would be a decision

[drowsy plank]

lmfao what's the difference

sides carpet being weaker

[unborn oriole]

What if

Aero Stone

[gaunt tiger]

hover is really good

[dreamy burrow]

I keep forgetting the aero stone exists

[hollow shell]

@fresh haven "in vanilla"

[gaunt tiger]

aero who

[hollow shell]

Did you use it in Calamity?

[gaunt tiger]

I should make a suggestion about giving the tracers hover

cos otherwise they're strictly worse than wings

[dreamy burrow]

I mean, if a wingless boot line is being looked at, having hover instead of flight would be a good option imo

A nice choice to be able to pick between

[gaunt tiger]

nah

I'd want it on flight tracers

[drowsy plank]

i love making my sugg titles more and more clickbait-y just so title-only-andies actually vote on them <3
considering how rarely boss balance suggestions actually get through at least

[gaunt tiger]

clickbaited by fab into thinking there was a patch

tragic

[elder estuary]

" rolls dice" hahaha because the yoyo bag is a bunch of counterweights dice hahahahaha

[violet pivot]

would remove the multiple class aspect of the frost and forbidden armor and rework it into something else be a good idea?

[tulip parcel]

Add an option to toggle Rage/Adrenaline bar sounds

[ashen warren]

Should i continue hardmode with mage or should i switch to melee idk help ?

[tulip parcel]

I don't, think there are any objections to that idea

also this is the wrong place to ask that

#help-advice-read-pins

[fresh haven]

Just tested it with calamity mod. As i saw in game and in changelogs it wasn't changed, and with best vanilla equipment (in vortex stealth mode) it deals 6500-11200 DPS (from different distance, tested on super dummy on ground, so i think it's DPS is going to be 11k on bigger targets), it's about 2 times more than other post-moonlord weapons.

[crude geode]

super dummy dps =/= actual dps or viability

[drowsy plank]

weapon testing is a dont anyway, just ping a tester, but furthermore, im p sure celebration is already in their sights

[crude geode]

I already pinged a tester about this

[hollow shell]

Yeah Blast got pinged earlier but he asked me if the suggestion was even using it in Calamity

So yeah @civic pond Give it a test

[civic pond]

alr

also yeah its gonna do around 7k dps on a super dummy

[dreamy burrow]

Super dummies are bad for testing dps?

[hollow shell]

They are better than regular dummies
And better than just looking at weapon stats and inferring

[civic pond]

i was already goofing around with it on dragonfolly/ml

[hollow shell]

It's just that there's a lotta differences between Super Dummies and bosses, using a weapon in action often has different results than the small stationary no-stats stuffed bitch

[dreamy burrow]

So to try out different weapons/summons/etc. it'd be better to try them against bosses?

[civic pond]

i cant really fathom how you reached 11200 with the best vanilla equipment though

[hollow shell]

Yeah
And judge based on the time it takes to kill the boss with that weapon, rather than the DPS you reach

[dreamy burrow]

gotcha, thanks for clarifying

[hollow shell]

👍

[primal cairn]

Hey, I’ve written a suggestion to reduce the amount of gravestones needed for a graveyard. Is it alright if I post it here before putting it in #suggestions-posting for feedback and to double check to see if breaks any guidelines?

[hollow shell]

You can do that if you want, but you can edit your suggestion while it is in the posting channel too

#suggestions-posting was designed as a review/filter area

[primal cairn]

Alright

In that case I’ll just post it in #suggestions-posting to avoid clutter in this channel, since it’s a pretty lengthy suggestion

[hollow shell]

The reason why the change was made (iirc) is because of repeated boss attempts

It is easy for a graveyard to form accidentally in your arenas when the requirement is only 5 deaths

[primal cairn]

I understand that, however as stated in the suggestion a graveyard forming in your arena isn’t really an issue (especially with the boss zen buff calamity adds), and they’re also easy to remove

The worst thing I could imagine happening is stuff becoming less saturated thanks to the graveyard mid-fight could disorient ppl, however from my experience it isn’t that big of a distraction

And the negatives outweigh the positives imo

[hardy dock]

Not really

If you just don’t trash your gravestones it’s not an issue at all

And the grave requirement in Vanilla is absurdly low

[burnt condor]

will say early game graveyards especially in harder difficulties is daunting. maybe 20+ is too much but 5 is far too few for a mod focused on difficulty (especially in multiplayer) imo

[primal cairn]

From my experience in multiplayer even in master mode earlygame they aren’t much of an issue

They were back when 1.4 first released but ghosts have already been nerfed

And calamity already speeds up earlygame thanks to the starter bag

[hardy dock]

Multiplayer is not a good way of testing balance

[primal cairn]

So it’s even less of an issue

[primal cairn]

They brought up how graveyards in multiplayer is an issue, I’m just explaining why it’s not

When it comes to balance yes multiplayer is wacky however

This is different

[worthy lintel]

keep in mind breaking a tombstone spawns a ghost that is stupidly powerful for a pre boss enemy

sometimes breaking the tombs is just not an option

[burnt condor]

consider. not everyone’s epic awesome gamers at terraria tho. it can be a pretty brutal difficulty spike preboss

[hollow shell]

Maybe on release but now, not really

[primal cairn]

I thought this was changed shortly after 1.4 first released but I could be wrong, gimme a second to check the wiki to verify

Oh nvm

[worthy lintel]

(i have not played 1.4 vanilla much lol)

alright my point is not as valid

[dreamy burrow]

I can say that early on in my first attempt at master difficulty, one of my biggest challenges was dealing with the graveyards that were showing up at spawn

[burnt condor]

yeah my experience with graveyards is from 1.4’s release but I still stand by 5 being far too few for the mod

[primal cairn]

Yeah when 1.4 first released graveyards were an issue

However they did get adjusted

[dreamy burrow]

I'm talking about the run I started five days ago

[primal cairn]

Oh huh

[hardy dock]

I wish that there were some other factors that determined if something is a graveyard rather than just the number of gravestones

Like it’s a genuinely baffling decision when you think about it

[primal cairn]

That’d just overcomplicate it imo

[worthy lintel]

i wish graveyards were made with something that doesnt appear every time you die

[hardy dock]

Yes exactly

[dreamy burrow]

I'm not sure I see the issue with the higher tombstone count, since you could just jump in lava 20 times and then move the tombstones somewhere you want a graveyard

[hollow shell]

Honestly it is pretty weird that deaths are required for you to access certain content
And that dying directly contributes towards the biome's creation

[worthy lintel]

craftable tombstones 😳

[primal cairn]

It’s still tedious to do, and the other issues with a higher tombstone count in the suggestion still apply

[dreamy burrow]

^ this

[hardy dock]

Inb4 Terraria 1.4.4 “the Graveyard Monolith Update”

[dreamy burrow]

I'm not sure I agree at all with the "extremely tedious" with dying 20 times

especially if it's a one and done for creating a whole biome

once you get those 20 tombstones, that's it. You have them

[hardy dock]

Then don’t trash your fucking gravestones

[hollow shell]

tbh yeah
It would be nicer if it was like
You craft one gravestone with X other materials to make a "Graveyardstone"
and you place that down to form a graveyard instantly
and standard gravestones do not contribute directly to it at all

[dreamy burrow]

I will admit, I do agree with the argument that it makes building harder

but I also think the 5 from vanilla is way too low

I think 10-15 is a much more reasonable number

[primal cairn]

I think it’s fine but I also had in my suggestion that it didn’t have to be reduced to 5, just somewhere in-between 5-20

10 would be fine too

[hardy dock]

I do not have a Twitter someone’s gotta tweet at red lmao

[dreamy burrow]

Why not make your suggestion, instead of a global change

a config option

[hollow shell]

hrm

[dreamy burrow]

so the default can stay as is, but you can bring it down if you want in the config

that way people who like 20 don't worry about the change, and people who want it to be down to 5 can have that if they want

[primal cairn]

That potentially wouldn’t solve the issue of players being confused since not everyone looks at configs but that’s more of a fault of those ppl

[hardy dock]

If every controversial Vanilla change was a config option the menu would be longer than Fargo’s

[primal cairn]

And not a fault of the config

[burnt condor]

it makes builds more tedious and difficult for sure but I don’t think the solution’s to screw over early game or people not as good at the game. I do like the graveyard monolith idea or it needing like, 10 or 12

[dreamy burrow]

IMO it seems like a reasonable thing to make a config

[primal cairn]

If graveyards screw over earlygame (which I still don’t think they really do) then I personally think the better change would be to nerf ghosts not graveyards

[dreamy burrow]

it's a skill issue

(it's my skill)

(it's an issue)

c:

[hardy dock]

Follow up question

Ever notice how god damn fuckass long gravestones take to mine

[hollow shell]

I did notice that recently

[dreamy burrow]

I was wondering about that

does it take longer than vanilla? I don't remember it being so tedious to clean up tombstones

[hardy dock]

I don’t think Calamity changed it

[dreamy burrow]

or is it a vanilla change

aye

[hollow shell]

I doubt Calamity made it take any longer, I think it was 1.4

yeah

[hardy dock]

I don’t think it’s ever been changed

At least I don’t see it in the History section of the wiki

[primal cairn]

I don’t remember them ever taking longer to mine than before

[hardy dock]

And there’d be no good reason to make it take longer

[primal cairn]

They’ve always taken a while to dig up I think

Making them not take as long to dig up would be a good change though imo

[subtle sapphire]

Maybe just make gravestones craftable. Boom, best of both worlds

[dreamy burrow]

apparently you can instantly break a tombstone by dropping coins on them? Nope, totally bogus.

[hollow shell]

?????

[dreamy burrow]

according to some guy

brb testing this

[frail mantle]

[primal cairn]

Doesn’t solve the build issue or the confusion issue

[frail mantle]

source: it was revealed to me in a dream

[primal cairn]

Not a very good solution imo

[civic pond]

waste of money

[dreamy burrow]

I don't think the confusion issue is really an issue

[hollow shell]

There is definitely confusion

[dreamy burrow]

When using an overhaul mod with changes to mechanics and what-not, there are gonna be things people are unsure about

questions are going to be asked, wikis are going to be checked

it comes with big mods

not to say people aren't confused, but that the confusion is expected

[primal cairn]

I think trying to reduce the amount of confusion would be a good thing though

Even if some confusion is an inevitability that doesn’t mean we should not try to avoid it

[dreamy burrow]

Ultimately, yeah less confusion is good
but I personally don't think it's an issue that needs worrying about so much

[primal cairn]

Idk, confusion like this is immersion breaking, takes time to solve, and can sometimes be frustrating

[orchid cairn]

make gravestones craftable, disable gravestones spawning on death, put the graveyard number back down to five

[primal cairn]

One thing I noticed with a lot of the ppl asking about gravestones is that

A lot of them thought gravestones might’ve been just broken or smth

[dreamy burrow]

the same thing could be said about hardmode ores, breaking demon altars

[primal cairn]

If ppl think a change is a glitch or an error then that is definitely a problem that can’t be ignored

[dreamy burrow]

in-game i'm fairly sure there's no direct mention of it (at least none I've seen) meaning people who don't know about it have to ask about it

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's not good that we don't have an explanation of that either

We do have the Pwnhammer tooltip addition now though

[burnt condor]

(tbh I think graveyard’s a kinda weird biome. cool idea weird execution)

[dreamy burrow]

I think a better solution would be to find a way to have it be known in-game, rather than just undo the change entirely

[primal cairn]

This is definitely an issue that isn’t exclusive to graveyards, I’m doing a playthrough with some friends who are newer to calamity rn and there’s been a surprising amount of times where they’ve had questions about changes

[fresh haven]

Just tested it against Providence with equipment from wiki, Celebration MK2 performed much better than other weapons

[dreamy burrow]

maybe add it as loading screen tips

maybe guide/npc dialogue

[primal cairn]

I personally think a good solution would be to reduce the gravestones down to 10, then do smth else like making a super gravestone or putting it in the tooltip of the gravestones or smth

[burnt condor]

there’s a lot of vanilla changes yeah. but then you check the wiki or ask around. that’s how I play vanilla and that’s how I play calamity

[burnt condor]

yeah! I’d vote this I think it’s fair

[dreamy burrow]

^^ This, honestly.
I really believe that using wikis and asking people is just a part of big mods like this

[primal cairn]

I personally don’t think this is the case but I don’t want this to turn into an argument about changes to vanilla so

[dreamy burrow]

More in-game information I think is better than reverting a change because people don't understand it

[primal cairn]

Idk if I’ll elaborate on why I think this for now

Yeah ofc informing players is a good thing to

It’s just with graveyards in particular there are other issues

[burnt condor]

it could be communicated in-game I’d love that but base terraria has that problem bad tooooo. that’s a different suggestion

[dreamy burrow]

True, even vanilla terraria you kinda have to use the wiki

at least, starting out

[grave zinc]

@shut bluff - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the description of all permanent HP/Mana up's]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unique glade - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Post early game uses for Wulfrum Metal Scraps and Energy Cores]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

wulfrum got real

[hollow shell]

Wulfrum did get very real

[hot zephyr]

Very very real.

the great calamity test build wulfrum shortage

[gray nebula]

too real

[gaunt tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-chillpenguin-get-fake-htl-neufelden-gif-21811055

[unique vector]

eats your fucking liver

[hollow shell]

doobie doobie doo baaa
doobie doobie doo baaaaa

[crude geode]

Glad to see developers being as comprehensible as ever in #suggestions-discussion

[hot zephyr]

wulfrum is now useful
and good

(leaks!)

[crude geode]

real leaks

[distant gyro]

who needs to be comprehensible when you can be pixl and say among us all the time

[hot zephyr]

new wulfrum armor when it its its it

goes from embodying every trope of calamity artmor design to being cool and good

[crude geode]

Iban already leaked John wulfrum’s armor

[hot zephyr]

its not john wulfrum armor

they look similar but not the same

[unborn oriole]

You should go summoner... NOW!

[gaunt tiger]

john wulfrum's powerful thighs will be an item

they let you jump big

[unborn oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-you-should-kill-yourself-now-gif-23487049

[hot zephyr]

they are powerful but they will not be in the calamity mod (we're not ready)

[gaunt tiger]

ah darn

[gray nebula]

Jean ding addon.. get ready for the #jeandingsweep

[hot zephyr]

jeandingsweep

as you can see, the terrarian is not as committed to the drip

sever your left arm and leg

[fossil finch]

@primal cairn why not just add some sort of graveyard pylon

[hollow shell]

First of all
"just"
That would be significantly harder

Second of all
What do you mean

Pylons don't control biomes, they let you teleport between biomes

[fossil finch]

you get what i mean

(Monolith

[hollow shell]

Indeed

It's something I suggested earlier

[fossil finch]

I mean it as a compromise because for me the sugg is treating it very black and white and also assuming of how players feel about it

To me for example the "enemies weak" point doesn't mean anything because i don't want graveyard biomes because of the shader

Like i imagine everyone who has an issue with graveyards does

[crude geode]

I like not playing in black and white

[fossil finch]

Also i don't know how to describe it but i feel the point about builders is weird

[primal cairn]

Yeah that’s why I destroy my graveyard biomes when I don’t want them but when I don’t have to worry about the enemies since I’m past earlygame the gravestones are very easy to remove and

[fossil finch]

Because to me it's like "revert this change of something that annoys a good ton of people because it annoys a minor group of people"

[primal cairn]

If there’s a graveyard building up in your base or smth then like even if graveyards didn’t exist and it was just gravestones

A lot of ppl would still destroy them just because they’re gravestones they’re pretty ugly

Ofc not everyone is a builder and not every builder builds graveyards but

[fossil finch]

Idk i know most people like them on their arenas as a demonstration of their boss tries
I keep them for that

[primal cairn]

Decorative graveyards are smth I’ve built they are smth I’ve seen other ppl build them

[fossil finch]

I feel like graveyards being properly toggeable by another block would be better for everyone

[burnt condor]

I had to clean up the graveyard biome that formed in my scal arena because I couldn’t process the bullethecks with the particles of the biome 😔😔😔

[primal cairn]

Yeah a supergravestone would be nice

I’m more inclined to just reducing the number needed

Since it’s a simpler solution but that’s just what I think

[burnt condor]

maybe player placed gravestones count more??? is that anything

idk I disagree with removing the increase entirely but I think yeah a monolith or a reduction would be fine

[drowsy plank]

what if we just made arcane mana reduction

[frosty trellis]

That

Would be rly cool

As having the mana cost down could actually be better than having full menacing, since losing up to 20% of your damage from mana sickness is going to be more significant than full menacing when you already have loads of damage modifiers late game

[orchid cairn]

that actually works a lot better yeah

should i edit the post to that?

ill just add an addendum

anyway uhhh are any of the testers online rn? i think the tracking disk might be a little too strong but im not sure

[hollow shell]

Ian and Blast#5966 are online

Piky might be

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

there's already way too much boots

[gray nebula]

thi s is

such a crazy zany way to word it

instead of saying "make swords omnidirectional"

[drowsy plank]

how would that even work

[hollow shell]

@hasty rune That is a terrible example to use for your title

[hasty rune]

uhh, suggestion for another sword then?

[drowsy plank]

dont use a sword just do what eris said

[hasty rune]

idk i just noticed Zenith is like that

i think omnidirectional is too big brain but whatever

zenith is more confusing

[drowsy plank]

correct

i think you meant to say less but using zenith as an example here is way more confusing

[hasty rune]

the description conveys the point, swords should use cursor position

[drowsy plank]

how exactly?

zenith is a boomerang more than a sword

[small timber]

I think a more clearer example will be terragrim/arkhalis in this case, but ya (or murasama)

just like the degree of the swing is locked to your cursor position instead of only overhead, at least I think that is what is being referred to

[drowsy plank]

i just dont get why

or which ones?

[gray nebula]

or any ark

[small timber]

oh right ark are the new examples now

I think is just overhead swing can be incredibly annoying to use as it basically just massively reduce reach, for example most notably for fights like pbg

it makes it super awkward to hit with broadsword since the only place you can hit it is directly below the boss

(though if they change broadsword to be omnidirectional they have to nerf true melees, because this will make them massively more consistent)

[drowsy plank]

this is way more explanation than they gave lmfao

[small timber]

ya this is just based on my own experience tbh, rather than referring the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

if they said something like that i might actually agree with them

[hasty rune]

thats why i didnt think omnidirectional was good either

[drowsy plank]

omnidirectional is better lmfao, you didnt even give a reason why the swords should be like this

[hasty rune]

its really an extension of a recent sugg with bladecrest sword

[primal cairn]

Isn’t what you’re suggesting exactly omnidirectional swinging though

[small timber]

though the downside is of course they will turnt into semi-shortsword, so probably best for true melee broadsword only

[hasty rune]

omnidirectional would be like having the arc of the swing in any direction, this is just changing how the direction is inputted

[hollow shell]

Oh that isn't what you were asking for?

[hasty rune]

yea its just impossible to kite with broadswords unless they have the vanilla style input

[small timber]

oh that one is probably use turn thing now that I read the suggestion reasoning

[hasty rune]

but then ur locked to swing on one side

[hollow shell]

Hmmm useturn

[hasty rune]

exactly, but idk if most ppl understand what that means

[crude geode]

Every time useturn gets brought up here it becomes a fuckin shitshow

[drowsy plank]

more like pooturn

[small timber]

I think the argument of useturn was always comparing:

1. sword stucked at the direction you started swinging (which I think was many vanilla broadsword?); and
2. sword follows the direction you character is facing (which I think is how currently many calamity broadsword works)

however, I dont think there will ever be a problem to give the choice to the player to just control the direction the sword is swinging, i.e.
3) sword follows the cursor direction and disregard the direction where the swing start or character is facing, just because you have much more control over where you want the sword to face

the only concern will pretty much be just balancing reason (basically nerf true melee, especially early game by a bit now that they are way more consistent) and thats it

(pretend ark is vanilla behavior or 1); 2) is stellar striker, 3) is omniblade)

if I dont mistaken 3) is what the suggestion is trying to achieve

[tawny garden]

I'm late to the party, but wasn't Crystyl Crusher's actions swapped due to some "can't have a channeling attack on secondary" mumbo jumbo? Is that possible now?

[crude geode]

Yes

[small timber]

I think short answer was yes iirc

[tawny garden]

Nice nice

[hot zephyr]

Yes

There's a good chance it gets changed, I'm betting

[violet pivot]

one good change about luxors gift when they rework it will be that arrows have another type of projectile something similar at what already does but changed in a way that makes it more consistent to bows users because as how it is now the projectile is not affected by gravity like arrows do

[hot zephyr]

@tidal epoch that's been suggested a ton, and will never happen (i believe it's a disallowed suggestion as well)

[foggy storm]

#suggestions-posting message

whats yo thoughts on my suggestion

[frail mantle]

a new class is Very Unlikely to be added to the mod, probably ever

trying to balance rogue in general is enough work as it is

adding an entirely new class would mean a lot of new weapons, new armor sets and accessories that interact with the new class' mechanics, probably new buffs etc.

[inner anvil]

New Class? No.

[hot zephyr]

a new class will never happen*

[frail mantle]

yeah

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

[hot zephyr]

We've still got a metric ton of things to do on the current existing class

As well as improving facets of the original four vanilla classes

[storm bridge]

unless they somehow finish the entire lore, mod, bosses, and biomes and get bored. There won't be another class

[hot zephyr]

melee weapon reworks
point black balancing
mage improvements
whip tweaks (and new whips themselves)
as well as rogue accessories currently just kinda being a big issue in the mod

[inner anvil]

Whip tweaks...

[small timber]

too ambitious, and new class is a don't because it is way too much effort

[hot zephyr]

Calamity updates will cease before another class is made

Frankly Rogue is in a very unfinished state and there's a lot of improvements to be made as-is

[small timber]

(and there really isnt much reason for new class for now), other than MP support classes but then again it is MP

[storm bridge]

If you want more classes you can always add the clicker class

[hot zephyr]

Rogue accessories in particular vary from being necessary for the class to function or entirely worthless

[hot zephyr]

@inner anvil beep noise

[inner anvil]

What happened?

[hot zephyr]

beep

[inner anvil]

Just "Beep"?

[hot zephyr]

Just beep.

[inner anvil]

What about whips?

[hot zephyr]

[inner anvil]

For legal reasons, I am not allowed to say what deep meaning does this have.

[small timber]

I only know a handful of beeps in the current calamity, so I can only guess, does it completely kill whips only build>

[foggy storm]

didnt even read it

😭

[inner anvil]

You'll know new beeps, and a cute one in my opinion, stay tuned. That's all I'll say.