i want upgrades to the cindarian at higher levels of progression
#suggestions-discussion
orchid cairn
bronze fox
i get where ur going
stray phoenix
le shell yoyo
unborn oriole
Cnidarian is ok i guess
gray nebula
you are ok i guess
gaunt tiger
would it be reasonable to suggest some sort of way for people to not skip straight to jungle crafts pre-boss?
I don't know how to feel about it
but it's like, it invalidates a lot of stuff
gaunt tiger
is it tho
drowsy plank
i mean then you'd have to worry about things like ancient shadow, and tbh jungle isnt even much stronger than plat/gold rn lmao
gray nebula
ppl be like make the boss progression more non linear!!!
and then be asking to make the non boss progression more linear
xd
safe oasis
its dangerous
snow and desert are way more dangerous than jungle and there's like nothing there
gaunt tiger
I guess? I don't really like non-linear progression, it makes certain content unnecessarily easy
it's like tier skipping
drowsy plank
i mean desert has fossils, bast statues, dunerider boots, the entire sunken sea, etc.
gaunt tiger
guardians being on-tier with polter, and dragonfolly being on-tier with profaned guardians
is very dumb
drowsy plank
what tier is jungle armor even skipping
gaunt tiger
I didn't say jungle armor
safe oasis
i'm fine with jungle stuff being good, i just want something for the other dangerous biomes tbh
gaunt tiger
I mean stuff like snapthorn and bella
blade of grass is pretty decent for true melee
etc
not that jungle armor is bad
drowsy plank
i mean that still isnt tier skipping or anything those are just strong pre-Boss weapon choices
swift wharf
guardians being on-tier with polter, and dragonfolly being on-tier with profaned...
I feel like that's a polter being too easy issue
gaunt tiger
I would disagree
it makes the balancing of gear a lot more of a headache
the breadth of weapon choices doesn't mean a player has more viable options
it means that there are more "traps"
that's boring
swift wharf
what tier would you put jungle in
gaunt tiger
post desert scourge and post KS, pre EOC
swift wharf
hmmm
gaunt tiger
EOC to me feels like the first hurdle to get over
whereas desert sscourge and KS are more formalities or tutorials
gaunt tiger
calamity jungle feels just as easy as regular underground if you play with even a little caution
I don't even need a bezoar
drowsy plank
are you saying to like... put victory shards in jungle recipes? that's the only way i could imagine doing it, and for real i dont feel like the jungle options are overcentralizing
tbh sounds more like you're just used to it
swift wharf
I don't think people will like the idea of locking jungle stuff
gaunt tiger
no they won't
probably not the devs either lol
swift wharf
especially snapthorn
since it's either that or regular whip which requires zoologist
for some it's their first whip
gaunt tiger
it's more of a question of tier equivalent bosses in general
I feel like weapon redundancy is incredibly high, between calamity and vanilla gear
which feels bad
drowsy plank
what is jungle even overlapping with
crude geode
I guess? I don't really like non-linear progression, it makes certain content un...
to be completely honest, this feels very much like a "you" problem that cal's design philosophy. heavily disagrees with.
gaunt tiger
in fact, does anyone know if there's a boss progression image? there certainly was in the past
crude geode
it's at the bottom of the bosses page last time I checked
gaunt tiger
oh nice ty
does this look about right for tiers in phm?
this is kinda largely fine
but hardmode is a whole mess
swift wharf
looks about right
deerclops is like way earlier difficulty wise but that's not relevant
drowsy plank
atm deerclops is intended to be post skele, so im guessing there are mostly likely plans in store for him in rev+
like even if rn he's easy as hell he literally doesnt even have AI changes beyond expert so im not too suprised
gaunt tiger
k so what the fuck is this
swift wharf
I'm referring to vanilla deerclops too
violet pivot
pre hardmode was always more sandbox in terms of boss progression
drowsy plank
that's fair, after i figured out his gimmick he is kinda easy as hell lmfao
gaunt tiger
hardmode is such a mess of boss equivalence
drowsy plank
and?
drowsy plank
i mean why is it a problem that there are a lot of bosses on the same tier
gaunt tiger
it means there's a bunch of items that won't get much use
drowsy plank
i mean maybe if you're rushing through the game
but that's kinda the player's decision?
i usually try to fight everything and i usually end up using those drops on other bosses on that tier
gaunt tiger
I guess that makes sense
yeah
I guess my real issue is post moon lord having tier equivalence, man I went on a tangent
I think that is cringe
gaunt tiger
yeah...
unborn oriole
you are ok i guess
Thank you, not many people tell me that
worthy lintel
do you want to know a fun fact
mech worm kills yharon in half its intended killtime
and cosmic immaterializer takes over twice mechworm's time
orchid cairn
YEAH LMAO
crude geode
Wow cosmic sucks who would have guessed
swift wharf
where's that ancient image of mechworm being gltched
gaunt tiger
doesn't fucking everything kill yharon in half the expected time
except endo hydra
my beloved
drowsy plank
lmao
that sugg is just a "because" sugg but i think asking for something like that might actually be okay
cause what other reason is there for vanity
drowsy plank
is just funny
gaunt tiger
do the testers test accessories?
drowsy plank
i dont think its specified but you can prolly just ping one and ask
gaunt tiger
@pastel crow please could you test the Phantomic Artifact? in my playthru it didn't justify an accessory slot
which is sad, cos I like the runes
ruby plover
we have a winner!
pastel crow
Well unfortunately I’m on vacation at the moment so I can’t actually test it now
Better spin the wheel again 
hot zephyr
I don't even need to test it, I already know 
gaunt tiger
you know it's bad?
hot zephyr
yea
gaunt tiger
o oki
hot zephyr
it's kinda poopoo stinky rn
gaunt tiger
is it getting buffed
hot zephyr
idk
i'd need to put in a request
ideally most of the funky artifact accessories get reworked instead of being boring stat sticks....
buuut I'll see what I can do
gaunt tiger
❤️
grim tusk
Wait didnt feather crown line have vanity?
stuck cave
i mean it goes in vanity slots but not helmet, so it doesn't override armor
distant gyro
accessory balancing is kinda on the side
grim tusk
Maybe its like with Filthy glove where they disappeared on 1.4
hot zephyr
@gaunt tiger if you had any idea to buff the existing functionality of phantomic I'd be interested in what you have to say
distant gyro
but it takes a lot to think about accessory balancing
hot zephyr
(ideally something that isn't +minion slots
distant gyro
glyph line is very easy to buff
grim tusk
Spirit glyph line should go in cooldown rack
distant gyro
you can always buff one of its existing stats
grim tusk
Instead of buff slots
distant gyro
that is the gimmick of the accessory
grim tusk
Alternatively you could merge the regen and defense buffs into one
So it takes 2 instead of 3
hot zephyr
(it should really use the rack, feedback time...)
worthy lintel
the real heresy is hallowed rune giving +3 regen while its upgrade is a +2 with a 5% chance of +2 you need to run after
gaunt tiger
<@512439572097925141> if you had any idea to buff the existing functionality of ...
cycles every 10 seconds between +defensive stats, +whip stats, +sentry stats
would be cool
worthy lintel
phantomic artifact relies on the placebo power
hot zephyr
whip range boost
gaunt tiger
eh, I don't know what stat you'd give the whips
hot zephyr
the offensive boost should give whip speed i agree
gaunt tiger
but I like the idea of being rewarded for having a loadout that has all 3 types of summoner gear
on a little rotation
very cute
hot zephyr
the offensive boost should give whip speed i agree
especially since I believe we can just outright designate whip speed (@sand umbra thanks choomfie)
gaunt tiger
so yeah maybe whip speed, sentry damage, and regen or defense or some shit
gaunt tiger
so it'd offer a fresh playstyle for tiers where the runes are good
maybe hallowed rune is just higher numbers on the buffs
and phantomic retains the weird effects it gives you
like maybe you throw out a ghost whip, and the sentry phase gives you a little polterghast hook that shoots things, and the defense phase makes your summons do the knives thing
sand umbra
especially since I believe we can just outright designate whip speed (<@25515159...
this was a thing before my changes
all my changes did was change how it's accessed
hot zephyr
too bad
gaunt tiger
byea wyt of that idea Ian
hot zephyr
glursed nickname
swift wharf
like maybe you throw out a ghost whip, and the sentry phase gives you a little p...
this would be very epic
drowsy plank
hey what are people's feelings on rusty medallion
gaunt tiger
rusty what
drowsy plank
oh my god
gaunt tiger
I kid
drowsy plank
that would be funny tho
swift wharf
i hate it
drowsy plank
it still is
i used it in the like, one scenario id imagine it'd actually be useful (goblin army, because it think it's supposed to be crowd control)
it can even hit them
swift wharf
times I found it useful in my ranger pt:
drowsy plank
and when it does im using minishark so it does like. 4 damage
swift wharf
it still is
i used it in the like, one scenario id imagine it'd actually be usef...
interesting argument unfortunately pumpler is a weapon that exists
drowsy plank
i tried using a plat bow which has high base damage but they came down so infrequently it never fucking hit and when you use something that makes enough they actually hit, they do no damage
swift wharf
ranged is kinda lacking some prehm accs
drowsy plank
im assuming ur doing goblins like pre boss, and pump is technically post eye so
swift wharf
stuffed fish gives pumpkin seeds iirc
drowsy plank
truly medallion is the worst item ever mad
gaunt tiger
the idea of having items in the game that are just bad hurts my soul
drowsy plank
oh wtf
wild
im gonna do more fishing next time i do a run
pumpler pre boss be like
swift wharf
damn the last two suggestions for buffing it didn't even reach the star count
gaunt tiger
preboss summoner be like
swift wharf
summoner is evil
gaunt tiger
damn the last two suggestions for buffing it didn't even reach the star count
yeah the suggestions system is kinda bad for getting individual item buffs
drowsy plank
preboss summoner be like
be glad i dont add more /s
it used to look worse when slime staff was still on there
gaunt tiger
belladonna staff is not an appropriate weapon choice on bosses
drowsy plank
what
gaunt tiger
it can't hit bosses most of the time
swift wharf
I thought it was good wtf
drowsy plank
i think pre-Boss of all stages is probably fine for it
gaunt tiger
oh I mean yeah but I wouldn't use it on eye
swift wharf
makes sense
swift wharf
cnidarian 
violet pivot
yep the projectiles belladonna shot are slower than eye of cuthulu moves
swift wharf
It's neat how DS drops a summon that's really good on Eye
gaunt tiger
wait does it
swift wharf
the uhhh star thingy
gaunt tiger
oh yeah
violet pivot
my go to before any boss are the god spirit and the frost blossom with the snapthorn
unborn oriole
belladonna staff is not an appropriate weapon choice on bosses
That mf carried me to skeletron what are you talking about
violet pivot
the ability to go through blocks that early is insane
gaunt tiger
it requires you to loop around bosses in a way that will get you killed unless you know what u doing
violet pivot
you literally dont get bother with 3 minions
unborn oriole
P sure i do considering how many times i've played Summoner
gaunt tiger
ye
I'm just saying that it's not carrying you
you're playing around it, which is cool
unborn oriole
Belladona Spirit staff my beloved
gaunt tiger
maybe the real issue is that other summons can't hit bosses 🙂
use overheads or perish
bella's dps is obviously just because it fires infinite projectiles very fast
drowsy plank
bella seems to work just fine on eye and slime??
got a minute thirty on eye and a minute on KS
gaunt tiger
it requires a different dodging strategy
it's not a bad weapon I just think it's not great for a first timer
isn't there a symbol for that
unborn oriole
How to win
1- Go to jungle
2- Get A LOT of materials
3- Craft Snapthorn
4- Craft Belladona Spirit staff
5- Fish a Reaver shark
6- Get to hell with a lot of water buckets
7- Get obsidian and a hellforge
8- Get some tissue samples/shadow scales
9- Craft obsidian armor
10- Make a lot of Summoning potions
11- Feast
drowsy plank
i suppose
gaunt tiger
yy
drowsy plank
i guess i could put it on there
unborn oriole
Oh no wait
gaunt tiger
I would say so
better to point newcomers towards the overheads
they are the best bet
unborn oriole
Cross was "Use when you know what you're doing"
gaunt tiger
yy
unborn oriole
Plus sing was support
drowsy plank
can we please add this to the frequently asked list
gaunt tiger
calamity changes toggles is a hard topic to discuss
it is almost impossible to talk about
drowsy plank
no i realize and while i think it would probably make sense to add such a config it just
it isnt going to pass voting
this is like the 8th one this month
true inlet
@stuck cave better would be
"This could make sense due to items like occult skull crown being able to be used as vanity"
drowsy plank
lmao
the only one to get even close to a passing rank is this one;
#suggestions-voting message
stuck cave
<@338720829267378176> better would be
"This could make sense due to items like ...
👍 edited
unborn oriole
Calamity players trying not to dislike player buffs made for the sake of balancing the mod and suggest the same thing for the 69th time
hollow shell
Not sure how to interpret that statement
but the speed boost isn't really a "balancing" thing
Its intent was to make earlygame less sluggish
(I personally do think it should have a config option)
stuck cave
i mean i guess it's balancing the experience kinda?
hollow shell
Not everything needs to be defined in terms of "balancing"
subtle sapphire
Let's also have a config option to decrease player speed by 50%
drowsy plank
the 5head play of including a rusty medallion buff request with a more popular general suggestion (ranger needs more accessories). now maybe it will finally actually pass
green spindle
Inb4 so many people request it to be a toggle it becomes a "don't" suggestion.
elder estuary
at which point "Remove calamity player buffs" mod becomes a reality
small timber
At that point the devs will just have to decide whether to implement it or not, since if it come out that often there should be a reason
I can see this as like the debuff increase disable config: where you intentionally weaken yourself by doing so but you have the choice to do so
unborn oriole
What if we just make the bonuses rev+ only?
elder estuary
mining speed isn't really an issue,
placement speed could throw people off but once they get used to it it's nice...
but neither of these directly affect combat though nor really drastically change accessory choices.
movement speed matters a lot to combat so a free 50% upheaves balance a lot. whether that's not needing boots giving an extra accessory, or so much movespeed many bosses become trivial.
or is just an overkill interaction with something like the mods I mentioned that tweak movement/accel. calamity does not exist in a vacuum, and it's unfortunate when it's only considered as such
unborn oriole
Like the hp and mana buffs from Eternity mode
elder estuary
What if we just make the bonuses rev+ only?
I don't even play less than death equivalent and i feel like it makes things way easier moving so fast
unborn oriole
Yeah
small timber
The intent is general qol not players' power, basically to make exploration faster (specifically preboss no accessory), there is no reason it should be rev+
unborn oriole
They're so helpful i dont know why peoole dislike them
elder estuary
They're so helpful i dont know why peoole dislike them
for me it's "too much"... i don't even wear boots with it. the mining and placement is fine to me
small timber
The thing with movement speed is without the buff it eill revert to its useless stat in vanilla
unborn oriole
15MPH 
small timber
Where you can never get enough MS for it to be useful on tier with the movement item provided
If they want to completely delete the 50% initial speed and still make MS fine they have to rebalance all MS items (except boots)
green spindle
mining speed isn't really an issue,
placement speed could throw people off but ...
Once you put boots on, it doesn't matter anymore.
I would almost always have boots over an extra acc slot because pre boss has almost no accs.
drowsy plank
that is true, plus it also is one of the few reasons bootless is actually viable
elder estuary
Once you put boots on, it doesn't matter anymore.
I don't agree that "once boots are on it doesn't matter anymore", because there's a significant difference between vanilla and calamity boot speeds, on top of other sources of %movespeed actually doing something now and acceleration not being sluggish
but with the acceleration changes and near-hermes speed as a base, I really don't feel boots are more useful than more damage at any point pre-wings (unless you literally have nothing else) and once you have wings they're even less relevant, especially with good horizontal ones
drowsy plank
because tbh having the option to reforge everything to quick and have a comparable speed is actually a good thing id say
you didnt even include fairy boots which are higher than all of them
so it's not like boots dont have a niche lmao
elder estuary
looking at the mods I mentioned in the suggestion that change how movement% interacts might even be a decent base calamity change; I'm not sure it would require a rebalancing patch for vanilla either
drowsy plank
i like having more options than being forced to use them
wdym
movement% is already a calamity change
the changes already forced them to nerf BoB because they were better than T1 wings
just the interaction with new movement speed tho
elder estuary
I don't know what terraria overhaul does these days but the other two I mentioned (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2718346308, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2652565017) change how ms% interacts, not just increasing base ms for them to scale off of, I think
afaik all calamity does currently is +50% built in ms boost to player, and acceleration buff ?
elder estuary
in what way
drowsy plank
ugh movement speed in terraria is so annoying but i believe it does actually increase your velocity cap now
but ill need to double check
elder estuary
I think that is observed because base ms for %ms are scaling off 26mph base ms instead of 15mph base, i'm not sure if there's a specific change to it
oh yes, maybe the velocity cap was changed in calamity, I don't know; but that's not what i'm talking about when pointing to the other two mods
elder estuary
weirdly, I get 26mph unbuffed ..
23 might just be on the border where I would consider boots again but right now with cheat sheet and calamity I get 26
drowsy plank
idk they probably made small tweaks since then
you sure there isn't anything else that could be effecting that?
elder estuary
however i can confirm that the intended 50% is being applied... "z-something hud" shows these stats
drowsy plank
there's a sunflower on the boarder of my arena and it boosted me to 26 when i came in range of the buff
elder estuary
drowsy plank
i had a hunch but
elder estuary
anyway even without happy buff I guess i'm still finding it too easy with the ms boost
elder estuary
bosses but normal movement is significantly easier too... can just jump past zombies now
drowsy plank
i heard a lot of people complaining about stuff like that but like
who cares...?
if you werent gonna jump past them you were just gonna kill them, like i dont think anyone is demanding slime buffs
they're just fodder, they're not really supposed to be hard to deal with, and tbh i dont think vanilla terraria had it right with how hard the early game is. it's to the point of obnoxiousness. like there's a reason these changes were made
while i do agree that, just for the sake of compatibility, it probably should be togglable, i just... dont think the community is gonna pass this suggestion
and again boots have other boosts and are still the most reliable way to get speed, to get comparable speed you still gotta sacrifice most of your modifiers, and ill be honest 23 mph is not gonna be enough to reliably out maneuver even death KS and EoC. if ur playing in expert... idk it's supposed to be easier so w/e
small timber
sorry abit late, basically the more MS you stack the stronger the later points of MS becomes
hard to explain, I will just post a previous test I did
wait no not that one, that is sandstorm jump
ya that (just only look at section 1) Ground Movement Speed since that is the thing discussed here)
so tldr if you have boots you can just go full menacing and be fine; if you are not using boots you need to invest some speed to be able to catch up to boots; and with boots you can further invest into MS to move even faster
swift wharf
monkey invasion
yes. (no)
mental seal
🐵
crude geode
@unique vector “new event”
mental seal
Oh.
drowsy plank
they're in the pins
mental seal
My apologies, got into the mod recently and thought it was a neat idea, wanted to find the community and try and share it
i'll read up on that, thanks
drowsy plank
np
might be easier to just make it urself and ask for help from the tmod discord lmao
it doesnt even really make sense in calamity lore
and we already have an event that gets stronger with progression (acid rain)
swift wharf
@stray wharf based suggestion
unfortunately new classes are a don't
stray wharf
then just a new summoner weapon type
swift wharf
That can work
stray wharf
we got whips for buffs, and the fishing rods for direct damage
i mean whatever do summoners have? all they do is run away
small timber
cnidarian is a summon weapon, and considering it do not really have any synergy with summons (actual summons), it is probably best to left it as a one off unique quality of cnidarian
especially that whips exist: this type of weapon will just get massively overshadowed
if the idea is for this type of weapon to be as good as whips at buffing/synergy summons or just function on its own, it will be another balancing nightmare (when whips already are)
this is made worse if the intention is for this weapon to substitute minions
@edgy pagoda the same suggestion is posted very recently (just 4 days ago) which is probably too recent for a repost, probably best to just vote on that one instead #suggestions-voting message
edgy pagoda
oh, didn't notice sorry
small timber
nah it is fine, there are an absurd amount of suggestions daily recently
gray nebula
not based
people underestimating my ability to be awesome and creative and instead asking to dilute down the creativity of stuff by making more of it
distant gyro
trueing
novel belfry
okay i think i need to rewrite this sugg sooner or later, i feel like i joked too much here
novel belfry
ah man
stable musk
@crude reef super dummies.
crude reef
<@476853695477186565> super dummies.
That’s what I’m using it doesn’t work
the summons target the dummies but I don’t get the buff
crude reef
ok
stable musk
dummy testing for dps is just for raw numbers
it doesn't include defense, phases, dr, immunities and everything else
drowsy plank
i think i understand why they dont proc on dummies tbh, be pretty easy to just lay some down somewhere and have the buffs going for way longer than intended
fossil mural
people underestimating my ability to be awesome and creative and instead asking ...
I get the appeal of wanting more of current stuff to an extent
Id give anything for a post moonlord cold divinity upgrade
It's gotta be my favorite weapon in the entire mod
It's mechanic is just really awesome to me and I'd love to see more of it
But I'd probably also be happy with more cool multi-function summon weapons
small timber
ok I wanted to make a suggestion about how single target, nonpiercing (nor other specialty) weapon like musket, handheld tank etc where they just have high damage and low fire rate should have better damage scaling compare to high fire rate weapon only to realise it is not as simple
I will not let 49 dogs attempts go to waste so here have this stat instead, I will decide later if the stats is convincing enough to post the suggestion
violet pivot
What about a suggestion to make the biome chest more easy to find, I mean the ones that calamity add in altars not the chests on the dungeons
frozen hornet
You mean biome shrines?
violet pivot
Im passing around 1 or 2 hours trying to find the luxors gift in the desert every new game I do and it just frustrating and dont get me start on the onyx key that chest is pure luck if you ever find it
violet pivot
they’re being removed at some point
The items will still be obtainable somehow?
Cuz luxor gift is a must for my range early games
frozen hornet
Well there's the upcoming wulfrum rework which has a new gun
well, "new",it replaces the current wulfrum bow
high siren
maybe buff reaver armor to not have the 30% dmg decrease, because turtle armor is just better, differences in DR and Defence and life regen are negligible
frozen hornet
Though I guess you could make it a guaranteed chance instead of 25%
This is also pretty good
small timber
the suggestion should acknowledge the increase npc spawn config tbh, unless it is to allow skeletron to be summonable even outside of dungeon
dreamy burrow
It's to have skeletron be just as quickly farmable as other pre-hardmode bosses (combat skill/gear depending)
normally it's a process of getting a drop (with a 0.33% drop chance) and then killing the NPC to summon skeletron right there in the NPC's house
that inconvinience itself aside, you then have to wait until they move back in so you can repeat the process, compared to almost every other boss (exclusing a few, i.e. wall of flesh) where you can use summon items to fight the boss a few times in a single night
You can only kill the NPC to summon skeletron during the night, and they only move back in when day comes
admittedly it's not a groundbreaking suggestion, but I imagine it's simple one at least ^^;
small timber
hmm though I think it still might worth it to include/acknowledge the npc spawn config (or rather, fully rely on config) in the suggestion, since I think it is one of the main thing people will bring up
since among the configs are 10x npc spawn rate and also npc can spawn at anytime
dreamy burrow
how should I acknowledge it? I don't really know much about configs
small timber
probably just say something about
"while there is a config to enable NPCs to spawn at anytime or to massively increase NPC spawn rate, ideally the player do not have to rely on tinkering with the configs to refight Skeletron, and a proper summon serve the purpose much better";
something like that (I am not the best at English)
dreamy burrow
Ahh alright, thanks :)
keen zodiac
(about the 100% trophy droprate in master suggestion) guess how many kills it took me to get 3 plantera trophies
92
eternal escarp
sounds like the issue is your friends, not the option of buying the potions
inner anvil
A config for friends.
eternal escarp
unlike features like bonus movement speed, buying potions is a choice
singleplayer!!!
inner anvil
You're a genius.
sleek turret
just buy potions and drink them 🚎
you won't even notice that they have drank a potion unless it's actually visible
ruby plover
A config for friends.
disable the friends
small timber
@versed cape doesnt dryad sells them? unless they change it
keen zodiac
she does
small timber
it is post eye of cthulhu, but not like you need mana flower pre-EoC
(post-EoC is probably early enough)
keen zodiac
yeh
versed cape
both flowers?
inner anvil
keen zodiac
but it's not a recipe
loud whale
sounds like the issue is your friends, not the option of buying the potions
My cousins are young and are chronical liars. I can go "afk" and come back to them having like 100 iron skin... when they never touched the garden and i was away for 5 minutes. I want them to learn to not cheat and do things properly. they know they are cheating
versed cape
but it's not a recipe
well yeah but it tells you drops from mobs for example
keen zodiac
My cousins are young and are chronical liars. I can go "afk" and come back to th...
solution: don't play with them
loud whale
i want to play with them tho. multiplayer is fun and they want to play with me. i cant just say no
eternal escarp
i mean
keen zodiac
if they want to play with you then they should stop cheating
loud whale
its not as easy as it seems
eternal escarp
if you really want to push this theres a lot of configs to be made
"i consider selling RoD cheating, make it a config"
"i consider cursed flames buff cheating, make it a config"
"i consider the buff to early prehm armors cheating, make it a config"
keen zodiac
uh
eternal escarp
you cant just make configs for every change because of someones opinion
inner anvil
They aren't facts?
eternal escarp
same with your sugg
loud whale
i just want this to be considered. not put at the highest priority
eternal escarp
esp with your specific issue where its simple to just
not buy the thing, the issue isnt the feature its the people who use it tbh
inner anvil
There's nothing wrong with the feature.
eternal escarp
and tbh, maybe they dont consider it cheating and like playing with that feature
inner anvil
Opinions?!
loud whale
its true that my people are the problem. They know it is cheating, they have said so as well. Control is hard
swift wharf
at least it's not one npc selling every potion in the game 
inner anvil
I wonder if I ever saw that somewhere...
loud whale
cough cough alchemist npc
at least you can disable those npcs from spawning all together
inner anvil
Alch NPC's potions are dead cheap though.
loud whale
you can adjust the prices too
keen zodiac
its true that my people are the problem. They know it is cheating, they have sai...
so you expect the already overworked devs to code in an entirely new feature because some guy doesn't like potions
small timber
"I think for multiplayer using on-tier weapons kill bosses too fast, therefore it is cheating to have too high dps and there should be a config to hardcap how much damage a player can deal"
ya, multiplayer you just have to cope with your friends/teammates who play with you
inner anvil
Reactive DR? Is that you?!
small timber
it is not exactly a "config fix all problem" situation, there are too many context for configs to possibly fix all of them
loud whale
so you expect the already overworked devs to code in an entirely new feature bec...
AGAIN. I DONT EXPECT IT TO COME OUT WITHING A DAY. I'm fine with it taking time. even if its at the bottom
eternal escarp
thing is i doubt itd happen at all
loud whale
yea i know
eternal escarp
its so specific and niche and the issue isnt very much the feature
inner anvil
I mean, even if the devs had 3 years of free time, I don't think they'd do it.
small timber
to my knowledge the potions selling added by calamity is only for vanilla potions, which means some of the most basic potions the player can get
inner anvil
Correct.
loud whale
yea
small timber
they are not some super buff mega potions that cant be obtainable otherwise, so I think for this situation it is better to just allow it and limit other ways, eg: no alchemistnpc etc
(given that they are not interested to cooperate)
loud whale
we dont have alch npc already
im probably just gonna be a bit more stern
if you buy these pots you gotta fight the boss alone
they are absolutely garbage at the game btw
keen zodiac
i would think
small timber
then I will be honest just let them buy the potions then
if your intention is for them to enjoy the game and they are bad at it, you just have to like, use a less good weapon so they have to do most of the work themselves
loud whale
if they want to fight the boss alone they are free to buy the pots
small timber
no need to introduce hard limitation like that
loud whale
i know i know. its my opinion and they break the rules we came up with together
it just makes me boil ya know?
sinful steeple
look i got a question, why does the fact that they are using a convenience feature bother you? in what way does it worsen your experience?
i really think this is a you problem rather than a problem with the mod
sleek turret
i know i know. its my opinion and they break the rules we came up with together
Kill the npcs and destroy the houses then.
sinful steeple
like you gotta think from a different viewpoint you're asking to add config features to this mod so you can control your friends
when they're not even doing anything wrong at all
loud whale
it doesnt bother me to the extent you guys are probably thinking. we are 4 people, me and three cousins. Me and the two older cousins are good when it comes to not cheating. the others made up the rules themselves without my input. they came up with the idea to not allow the buying of torches.
loud whale
Kill the npcs and destroy the houses then.
i dont wanna hurt them :_|
except the nurse...
shes and asshole
sinful steeple
okay but what does the rule of not buying torches like, do
same with not buying potions, it's not hard to craft them you get the exact same result
you use a resource to gain an item, doesn't change if you buy it or craft it
cobalt pewter
If you're having issues with people you're playing in MP, just don't play with them. You might be able to moderate a general playerbase with changes, but you can't possibly cater to every single person.
loud whale
If you're having issues with people you're playing in MP, just don't play with t...
i want to play with them. they made the rules and im trying to enforce them.
i want to teach them more about the game. I'm kind of a living wiki to em
lol
sinful steeple
you don't really seem to act much like a living wiki
a wiki is unbiased and does not define what cheating is or isn't because that's not the point of the wiki
loud whale
ouch. you got me there
sinful steeple
i still fail to see why buying potions or torches is cheating and why you need to enforce these rules
rules exist to keep everything safe and fair and what not
rules that are irrelevant or rules that exist to enforce control simply just shouldn't exist
loud whale
alright. fine. i see your point
dire mural
i must say
i looked up the cnidrian or whatever its called
the thing calamity had for early game before whips
something like that really gives me trust that the devs will do crazy wild stuff with whips
ruby plover
I mean, it gives me hope that they won’t just add more whips
They will mayhaps add more summon tag weapons, but not whips per se
inner anvil
Tag Damage my beloathed.
ruby plover
Or Mayhaps just more summon weapons that are a mix between whips and minions, but not like. Bombers or puppet staff
Either way I’m sure what will be made will be cool~
drowsy plank
swore i saw them get autouse in the changelogs at some point
also the recent sugg is hilarious
unborn oriole
Bro angry just because his friends use a convenient feature
I swear, one of these days we'll see a suggestion to add a config to disable every single change and addition calamity made because it breaks vanilla balance or something
small timber
@cold cosmos suggestion that affect evil biome spread is disallowed, for the reason that it is a massive headache (coding wise) to fix them
cold cosmos
Whoops
small timber
if you want to stop corruption spread the "begone evil" mod, like that? should be good
unborn oriole
Also
cold cosmos
I just mind it when colliding with the jungle
small timber
ya, just I think jungle not being corruptible is part of it, since it do require spreading to jungle for it to happen
unborn oriole
Use luiafk so you get your jungle tiles back since evils turn mud into dirt
cold cosmos
Exactly
unborn oriole
Such mfs
cold cosmos
Just make mud not corruptible
small timber
sadly it is just a massive coding headache (making it disallowed), otherwise it will be pretty convenient
cold cosmos
Although i assume that would be quite difficult
small timber
last time they try to make lava slime not drop lava the entire game break
unborn oriole
Yesh
small timber
as in, literally
cold cosmos
Wait really?
small timber
it is causing issues at area that you cant even think of
ya, that is the coding problem I mention for changing vanilla things
unborn oriole
1.5.0.4 just existed because of that
small timber
(making mud not corruptible is a similar deal, eventhough it just seems so simple, just like lava slime not drop lava)
small timber
ya, one day
cold cosmos
Because it is really annoying
hollow shell
last time they try to make lava slime not drop lava the entire game break
Oh god right I remember that
inner anvil
That was incredible.
cold cosmos
What happened?
unborn oriole
Listen dude, there's a luiafk jungle solution, if your evil evilifies your jungle, use that jungle solution to get that mud back, some guy made a good luiafk 1.4 port, so look out for that
inner anvil
Enemies would dissapear when you touched them.
No loot, no gores, they're just gone.
cold cosmos
What’s the swearing policy on this server?
hollow shell
You can swear it's fine
small timber
(just remember no racist swears/jokes)
hollow shell
Just don't use like, derogatory slurs
unborn oriole
I tough it was because my tmod version or so
cold cosmos
How does that even happen
inner anvil
Nah, we tried to do something so simple and it broke the entire game.
hollow shell
Yeah I don't know why the Lava Slime edit made such chaotic changes across the game
unborn oriole
That's funny
inner anvil
Predictions: Vanilla Devs don't code very good.
cold cosmos
Yup
unborn oriole
Vanilla devs hardcode everything 
cold cosmos
Or calamity is secretly incompatible with vanilla
inner anvil
Correct.
small timber
applying the lava slime context here, making mud block not corruptible will probably like, break world gen, ocean spawn with no water, desert loses sand physics, and dirt block become unbreakable world-wide
and corruption probably stop existing
cold cosmos
It just removes evil biomes entirely
inner anvil
But yeah, when we tried to do that with Lava Slimes we thought: "If in Normal Mode they don't drop lava and in Expert Mode they drop, maybe it's a switch that says 'Drop Lava on Death' or something like that and we can turn it off". We did that and consequences happened.
unborn oriole
The most hilarious butterfly effect ever
inner anvil
Sadly I don't think you can suggest to the Vanilla Devs: "Make your code good".
inner anvil
Ah, then go ahead.
unborn oriole
Red on his way to code every suggestion that appears on his Twitter feed instead of fixing his code be like
grim tusk
No loot nor gores, crashes, intense lag until OoM, some Amd cards for some fucking reason being spared by the wrath of the lava slimes, NVDIA users not being able to do shit, etc
small timber
ya, tbh there is not much reason for corrupted jungle to exist
cold cosmos
Because that is a huge issue
unborn oriole
cold cosmos
Or just add a corrupted jungle biome
small timber
(wait a minute, what if the thing vanilla dev mention about "admitting defeat" is actually lava slime not drop lava)
unborn oriole
🤯
small timber
and the reason why the 1.4.4 havent come out yet is because they are recoding the entire game to make it happen
grim tusk
(wait a minute, what if the thing vanilla dev mention about "admitting defeat" i...
Its prob the angel statue or smth
unborn oriole
and the reason why the 1.4.4 havent come out yet is because they are recoding th...
tMod devs 
small timber
"1.4.4 is a small qol patch, btw we make lava slime not drop lava which coincidentally requires recoding the game" it will be hilarious
cold cosmos
That kind of already happened with 1.4
small timber
also is the pumpler suggestion reasoning abit lacking? it looks like another case of "this weapon is cool please add more"
cold cosmos
Yeah
unborn oriole
A bit
unborn oriole
Hmmm
cold cosmos
It already exists
small timber
it probably (also) means weapon that function like pumpler (charge up, big shotgun/explosion) but ya reasoning is lacking
unborn oriole
Maybe an upgrade crafted with pumpkin launcher thing from pump moon
unborn oriole
And then with post-DoG pump moon material? idk
drowsy plank
that is literally the entire balance of the weapon
frail mantle
yea the point of enchanted gear in general is some type of benefit with some sort of drawback
swift wharf
like rancor burning you
frail mantle
rancor burning you, metastasis actively going after you etc.
drowsy plank
i was gonna say that'd be like adding an accessory that removed the spread on shotguns but that actually sounds like a neat idea once i thought about it
it's more like... idk removing the self damage on items like mana polarizer or chaos stone
drowsy plank
i know but you could probably come up with a neat gimmick around that regardless
it's not like there's much else for innovation in the ranger department and reduced spread is the kinda thing games with upgrade systems on guns include
yeah, but it's just a thought regardless
hollow shell
It would be quite strange for us to prevent the drawbacks on any of the enchanted or exhumed weapons
Because... that's the point
swift wharf
possible new don't or?
hollow shell
Maybe if the prevention method took up like TWO accessory slots
then we'd consider it
drowsy plank
add an accessory that removed the downside of the enchants in exchange for another downside 
small timber
I mean, I dont think it will be good idea conceptually, even if it is a high cost
frail mantle
possible new don't or?
not too sure if it's needed
i don't think anything like this has been suggested before
swift wharf
fair
inner anvil
Maybe if the prevention method took up like TWO accessory slots
then we'd consid...
How would we be even able to pull that off?
frail mantle
kingsoul
small timber
make every emblem accessories dimensional soul artifact
subtle sapphire
like rancor burning you
Rancor's downside is having to wait three generations to begin firing
gray nebula
How would we be even able to pull that off?
its incredibly easy to pull this off
small timber
(inb4 some wulfrum accessories will be taking 2/3 accessory slot)
hollow shell
@fresh haven There is literally in posting asking for this right at this very moment
#suggestions-posting message
gray nebula
(inb4 some wulfrum accessories will be taking 2/3 accessory slot)
shut ip
its just very easy like if you ignore the visuals and maybe maki,ng it fancy you can just have an effect that triggers if the player has both accessories like its really simple
inner anvil
That's nice to know.
swift wharf
@vocal gust that's an issue on tmodloader iirc
hollow shell
byeah the devs are currently waiting on a tModLoader fix for the music to play at its proper volume
I guess we could overcompensate in the meantime to bring it in line with vanilla tracks
But, that's somethin to change back later 🤷
vocal gust
I think that's a good idea because I LOVE calamity music
drowsy plank
you could just use one of the mods that replaces the rest of the vanilla tracks
like the one by HeartPlusUp
in the meantime at least
sand ermine
whats with people always wanting to disable the increased base stats
drowsy plank
people think it's unbalanced idk why lmao
sand ermine
in fact i cant stand normal terraria anymore once i got used to the increased stats
drowsy plank
ikr
sand ermine
people think it's unbalanced idk why lmao
isnt like the only reason they want to be able to disable them is the movement speed?
drowsy plank
depends who you ask
hollow shell
I think that it should be configurable out of principle
It can still be enabled by default, but it's still a modification to base game mechanics, that exists for a subjective purpose
drowsy plank
some people want the fall speed removed, some people want the mining speed removed, some people want the weapon balances removed
it's a real grab bag, but the movement speed changes are the only ones i really agree with bc compatibility
sand ermine
some people want the fall speed removed, some people want the mining speed remov...
maybe? but arent you not really supposed to mix mods anyway
esp calamity
hollow shell
That doesn't mean we have to make decisions that actively harm compatibility when it's easily avoidable
drowsy plank
yeah but i mean calamity still tries to play nice like how thorium and calamity put their ocean expansions on opposite sides
sand ermine
oh yeah that makes sense
unreal star
considering how often toggles to the base game changes are suggested i'm surprised it hasn't been implemented yet
sand ermine
i just find it a useless suggestion every time i see someone wanting to disable the increased stats considering ive gotten too used to them and i dont really worry about them too much
unreal star
like would i use the toggles? heck no. would a lot of other people? yeah
which is why it gets suggested so often
sand ermine
yeah it makes sense but honestly i cant find a use to it
subtle sapphire
yeah, it kinda sounds like "could we make last prism not cost mana ? kthxbye"
gaunt tiger
@formal spear did you have a guide to critter companionship in your inventory?
formal spear
<@736239228534521898> did you have a guide to critter companionship in your inve...
No
formal spear
makes sense
formal spear
I hadn't thought about it at all honestly, got chlorophyte about a minute prior and just flew through the hallow
didn't even cross my mind as a possibility
gray nebula
i mean
it feels goofy to say you should have the critter companionhsip item
just make it not deal damage to critters bam
actually i can do that right now
hollow shell
Yeah weird that (what I recall is) a near screenwide-AoE does not have critter death prevention
gray nebula
maybe
fossil mural
i always break my dungeon floor once im done with cultist
i cant stand those dudes getting killed when i just need to enter the dungeon for somethin
since a sneeze post moonlord will erase their health from existence
unborn oriole
hollow shell
Shark Tooth Necklaces aren't exactly hard to come by
You'll get like 10 of em while trying to get a Money Trough
We don't need to hold onto vanilla's random combination of a DPS-boosting effect and an on-hit retaliatory/defensive effect
At least I would prefer that we don't do that
So that the RTN line maintains a solid focus
drowsy plank
i think SSTN just needs a buff in general, doesnt need something like stinger weighing it down
esp with the def pen fixes
unborn oriole
Make RTN have 100 def pen again 
drowsy plank
do it you wont
unborn oriole
Of course i won't it's ok as it is
sand ermine
@merry seal Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
youre not supposed to fight him there
I mean, the biome is correct, but why are you trying to fight Crabulon in the sky
unborn oriole
🧀
merry seal
**youre not supposed to fight him there**
I summoned him in the mushroom biome in the sky
sand ermine
summon him in the normal underground mushroom biomes
thats where youre supposed to fight him
merry seal
you're right but the game was not able to tell me
it just felt a little bit wrong because I cheesed the boss
hollow shell
I mean I guess uhh
fair enough, we added a glowing mushroom planetoid, and didn't expect people to use it for that fight
So maybe we should add countermeasures
However
You need to format your suggestion properly either way
You need a title line separated from your reasoning using a line break (Shift+Enter)
@merry seal
fossil mural
is it really wrong for a player to fight it on the planetoid
a mushroom biome is a mushroom biome
whether its surface or underground or space
i guess you could make him enrage if its not underground like how EoW does
but eh?
hollow shell
I was thinkin more like
If it detects you're fighting him above surface level, he makes his own ground to walk on
Either real blocks that are temporary like ice rod, or he just walks around in the air with a little translucent magic ground effect beneath his feet
unborn oriole
Just make him despawn at a certain distance like in infernum
hollow shell
That's lame though
unborn oriole
But efficient
I mean
Crabulon is funky and all, but, a mushy crab bro who can walk in thin air?
Is he an airbender or what?
hollow shell
Have a scungy visual effect where mushroom stalks connect all the way from his fake blocks down to the ground
as if they're growing and receding very very rapidly in order to allow him to walk around in the sky
hollow shell
The planetoids are natural, technically
unique vector
do they have the same check as the vanilla one
or can truffle move into the surface one
actually thats stupid neverming
hollow shell
I think the only difference is their elevation
I think if you do have valid housing on the shoosh planetoid then he'll move in
unique vector
thats kinda funny
unborn oriole
I think if you do have valid housing on the shoosh planetoid then he'll move in
I always do that
hollow shell
Neat
unborn oriole
Mushroom planetoid is my favorite because that way i don't have to make an artificial surface planetoid for the Truffle
unborn oriole
Have a scungy visual effect where mushroom stalks connect all the way from his f...
Mushroom bender? 
gray nebula
doesnt he already enrage on the surface
i tohught he did
and i also thought there wree already measures taken to avoid that
i think its fine if he gets fought on top of the world its just being clever
hasty folio
Huh.
That's strange
cuz I'm testing it out currently and seems to do significantly less damage
hollow shell
What sword are you testing with
hasty folio
just tested it with Ataraxia and Exoblade
Ataraxia does ~7000dps with tainted, 30k+ without it, Exoblade does 10k with it, also above 30k without it
hollow shell
God damn
hasty folio
the damage is all in the projectile
hollow shell
I guess their usual on-hit effects are really that good
true inlet
So you're testing them with sword and projectile hitting?
hasty folio
if the base damage does not reflect the OP projectile
hasty folio
So you're testing them with sword and projectile hitting?
ive tested both ways but the projectiles do most of the damage pretty much
true inlet
ive tested both ways but the projectiles do most of the damage pretty much
fair enough
plus why use tainted on thoae
hasty folio
ignore the bad crop but even just the projectile on ataraxia does 22k
hasty folio
e excalibur + tainted = Fair and balanced
let me test
hollow shell
They're the quintessential projectile melee swords of that tier
true inlet
what the fuck?
hollow shell
It has the right-click that does true melee
true inlet
still, 1.3 e Excalibur tainted is bussin
hasty folio
OHHH
true inlet
right click or not
hasty folio
why does the right click exist 😭 lol
its just the same DPS without a projectile
actually its less
hollow shell
(It's doubled actually)
hasty folio
😭
hollow shell
It has its own mini Tainted packed into it
hasty folio
sorry is that relevant to the discussion? lol
true inlet
no
hasty folio
but yeah anyway, tainted seems worse no matter whatt and i think it has to do with how the projectiles dont represent the actual base damage of the sword
hollow shell
Interesting
So, you should probably rephrase your suggestion, given this info
We do compensate for the loss of a projectile, a whole 5x damage
It's just that evidently, even that 5x isn't enough to make up for the loss
true inlet
increase sword base damage
hasty folio
@hollow shell that better?
hollow shell
I prefer it to be integrated into the suggestion rather than added as an "EDIT:" addendum, but that's just me
small timber
I dont think you need to say edit:, ya
hollow shell
Yep that works, thank you
hasty folio
hollow shell
I've also seen suggestions saying that Pumpler sucks and needs to be buffed
so, cool
(Maybe those were before it did get a buff, I dunno)
swift wharf
There's one from june 15
Which is before the buff I think?
And yeah the weapon is kinda busted
subtle sapphire
Isn't the weapon busted in, like, perfect conditions ? iirc you need the pumpkins to stay on the target and all, so DPS on dummies is not exactly a good appreciation of the weapon.
idle plank
bosses tend to to have huge hitboxes so the spread on the Pumpler is pretty irrelevant for most scenarios
hasty folio
Pumpler is definitely busted
I did a run and every weapon i got in progression was basically irrelevant up until at LEAST slime god
iirc
i did personally choose to stop using it
but its definitely very busted for when you can get it
and for the record isn't that post-EOC?
cuz you need pumpkins from the druid
sonic yarrow
You can get pumpkin seeds from stuffed fish from fishing
hasty folio
You can get pumpkin seeds from stuffed fish from fishing
ohhh I did not know this, nvm that then
sonic yarrow
Yeah
Fishing is op
small timber
They are already not used in any recipes or upgrades, I dont see a reason to further devalue actual exploration
While gold chest items I can argue it is for the sake of making it less frustrating to obtain gear upgrades (eg: hermes boots) which to many are essential to progress the game, ancient chisel and wooden stool are just for exploration
There are already desert/oasis crate to obtain them if luck didnt do you favor
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small timber
wait what I just realise how did the stronger wulfrum enemy didnt get exclaimed
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gaunt tiger
ok now that AEW is getting a relic can you make it not a fucking dogshit boss
unique vector
i love constructive criticism
im very glad the Calamity Mod Discord community is very positive and provides constructive and mature feedback
crude geode
So mature and positive
terse terrace
im very glad the Calamity Mod Discord community is very positive and provides co...
This is how I heard it in my head lmao
unique vector
thank you for giving me a voice
anyway point being i agree AEW has a very poor design atm but please if you're gonna talk shit at least formulate your reasonings to a comprehensible post
dire mural
anyway point being i agree AEW has a very poor design atm but please if you're g...
expecting gamers to be comprehensible
pff, calamtiy is more realistic then that
unique vector
i will be RACIST against all gamers
dire mural
i will be RACIST against all gamers
come now, if there's an ist for hating gamers, it isnt racist
its ableist
subtle sapphire
Aw man, no scal light pet. What a shame
still zodiac
Something something code limitations, and 7 slots is already good enough for that point in the game
ruby plover
additionally, something something this suggestion has happened before and been denied iirc
small timber
@onyx monolith the same suggestion had been proposed and denied before, I think just last week
Master mode is a self inflicted challenge (as the mod is balanced around expert), if you choose master then the difficulty of the mode is simply something you have to deal with; and ya 7 slot is definitely enough
Considering there is nothing change from expert to master (boss AI wise)
@sullen harbor please add more reasoning to the suggestion, it is currently abit lacking since "new block" as a reason can be applicable to almost all context
sullen harbor
Fair point, I was just thinking that the sulphur sea land section is a little further back then the ocean
But this gives me another idea
still zodiac
To be fair, there's no real reason for Calamity to do something like that
frozen hornet
that'll just end up like pearlwood
still zodiac
That
sullen harbor
I mean pearlwood is inherently funny
onyx monolith
i guess i'm pretty incredulous of that, as I can't see another accessory really making things past moon lord easier
still zodiac
It can be
small timber
But this gives me another idea
There is no need to refer other suggestions in a suggestion, you can just delete your first idea if you dont like it anymore
still zodiac
Especially in later parts where you get even stronger accessories
Obviously pre Providence there's not much
sullen harbor
……could make a recipe to combine some auric demon hearts and celestial onions
small timber
PreDog maybe not, postDog have an additional accessory is a big deal
onyx monolith
pre providence is such an insanely difficult hill to get past
still zodiac
With all the nerfs provi got, i'd say she's in a pretty neat spot
sullen harbor
Could just make….. Like, mid-endgame drop an extra slot
still zodiac
It only really starts to get annoying with all the difficulty stacking
small timber
The idea is just they dont want master to just have an extra slot, no matter when it is dropped
still zodiac
But even then malice provi aka night provi isn't that bad either
small timber
(there might even be a chance for master +1 starting to be removed)
If they want to further enforce the master no extra slot of course
(though they probably have to adjust master hp/dmg value before that)
still zodiac
Byeah, Master Mode is just pain you want to inflict upon yourself
gaunt tiger
anyway point being i agree AEW has a very poor design atm but please if you're g...
I dislike the current AEW fight
it is very fast, and takes place in an incredibly low-visibility biome
also it's just lunatic cultist but worm
but yeah uh the original post wasn't meant to be constructive, just critical
onyx monolith
yeah idk ig i hope providence is a little more doable sometime in the future
unique vector
I dislike the current AEW fight
it is very fast, and takes place in an incredibl...
i dont think anyone likes it
nor does anyone care enough to submit suggestions for it
gaunt tiger
yes rather
as far as I am concerned my playthrough ends after scal and exos
but if people wanna fight AEW as it currently is good for them ig
sullen harbor
AEW?
keen zodiac
yes
frozen hornet
@oblique glacier the zenith fits perfectly in auric tier and they don't want to rebalance it
oblique glacier
I don’t think anyone would use it instead of using the ark of the cosmos.
It’s frankly to much of a damage difference.
eternal escarp
show us killtimes then
frozen hornet
Ark of the cosmos is currently too good
eternal escarp
if zenith goes to the estimated killtime, the weapon is fine
ark is indeed too strong but thats not zeniths tier's fault
oblique glacier
Probably a better idea nerfing a good weapon instead of making the zenith pre jungle dragon.
Question
Will the spectre rifle ever get nerfed?
eternal escarp
this is a very very broad question
whats the issue with it?
the way you say it makes it sound like its a known offender to being overly strong
oblique glacier
Nothing really. Just carried me until post moonlord.
eternal escarp
when you say carried, did you always have logical fight lengths or did you just get too lazy to switch and it was decent enough to not make you care
those are completely different things
oblique glacier
Brb
eternal escarp
alright yes i can see, cuts killtime of ontier bosses in half
small timber
and post-DoG will make people complain more about zenith need buff, because zenith is not a good weapon against yharon; zenith will be useful against DoG or polter but this will require heavily nerfing zenith damage
swift wharf
Isn't zenith pretty shit against DoG
small timber
I have a setup to test it, sec
I thought it was like, ok, not the best option but not absolutely terrible
for a boss zenith is not supposed to work against, it is acceptable I think
(and I didnt really put much thought for the build either)
@bitter portal to my knowledge they will be added soon, and the suggestion is not formatted properly
you need to have a
Title
then separted by (Shift+enter)
Body/reason of the suggestion
otherwise the bot cannot process the suggestion
drowsy plank
damn the recents suggs be hot garbage
thin hill
buoyant idol
@ashen warren use shift enter to format
orchid cairn
before i post it, is this a good suggestion
hasty folio
question, how do suggestions get put in voting?
cuz im seeing mine hasnt been put there but others posted afterwards have
orchid cairn
question, how do suggestions get put in voting?
after 24 hours its automatic
fossil mural
I mean I guess but I don't think it's necessary? Sentries aren't a large enough focus to warrant more accessories than Old Ones Armor provides I think
Suggestion itself looks fine
hasty folio
after 24 hours its automatic
ohh ok
fossil mural
Just for the sake of discussion I'm not too sure about it
orchid cairn
i just think it would add more variety to summoner
fossil mural
Old ones army provides accessories throughout the game until moonlord dies
So they'd only add one maybe two at most post moonlord sentry accessories
orchid cairn
right but theyre weaksauce compared to the minion accessories
im only asking for one or two at most anyway 
fossil mural
I guess it wouldn't hurt
I just feel like it would probably be better to get more time spent on whips, whip armor, and whip accessories rather than sentry accessories
orchid cairn
im not making a suggestion about whip stuff since im sure they have something planned for it already
they JUST ported it to 1.4
but i do want whip armor and accessories too i love whips
fossil mural
Sentries just feel like a weird tacked on part of summoner to me
If they could flesh it out sure
But like it just feels like "sure I'll place this decapitated pig fish head for a little extra damage ig?"
orchid cairn
thats because theres no good accessories for them at the moment
sentries are kind of a completely different playstyle from minions if you focus on them
fossil mural
If they went and made sentries a playstyle to build craft around they'd probably need some buffs to compete with minion builds
orchid cairn
in vanilla they can be really fun
fossil mural
Also focusing on sentries
Would be the perfect excuse to make a lab material laser turret sentry
Something I've always wanted ever since finding my first lab when I first played calamity and saw those defense turrets
orchid cairn
i edited the post slightly to make it more about sentries as a whole than just one accessory
since youre right it does need more than just an accessory to be fleshed out
sand ermine
@sullen moon wrong format, too specific
orchid cairn
Would be the perfect excuse to make a lab material laser turret sentry
that would be awesome
why isnt that a thing
i used it during my last playthrough just to see what it was like
its pretty good
there are so few sentries compared to normal minions, i dont think you could call it weapon bloat adding any kind of sentry frankly
but thats just my opinion
oh it is real lmao
terraprisma is busted as hell btw
the fact that they made it drop for free without fighting daytime empress is ????
genuinely its viable post-moon lord
i suppose
i have a problem with it in vanilla since its like. the best minion in the game in vanilla and its locked behind no hit