suggestions-discussion

[fossil finch]

Like glorius end being offset for example

[unique vector]

we have many potato pc users

[swift wharf]

uhhhhh inclusion

[bright crag]

I got a really good gamer laptop recently

[unique vector]

mrrp used to be our single mac user

for example

[swift wharf]

I am sorry for him

[bright crag]

My 2 month laptop-less purgatory was worth it

I've been wondering

Maybe there could be a mini-challenge for acquiring Terraprisma?

Something that makes it not hard to acquire, but makes it unique

[unique vector]

unsure

we had a whole vote and everything for it

and most ppl wanted it as a regular drop

🤷‍♀️

[bright crag]

Rn I thought of something like
Beating EoL with her own drops (weapons)

[fossil finch]

I could be a gimmick twitter account that posts every time iban opens tmod

[unique vector]

L idea

[fossil finch]

Do you guys think that'd sell

[unique vector]

feels like you're getting it as a refight drop but with extra steps

[unique vector]

@IbanUpdates

[ruby plover]

absolutely
do it

[bright crag]

I just feel like it deserves an unique source

[unique vector]

how would u also make it intuitive for the player to figure that out

[bright crag]

It wasn't the most serious suggestion, pixl :p

[fossil finch]

Next time iban opens tmod I'll take an screenshot to cut it

[unique vector]

u could start by suggesting us to give it a unique source

and then see if we approve of that

id rather not set up a second dev vote on terraprisma rn

[bright crag]

That is decent

Though, do you think there will be some skepticism?
Because most of the reason Terraprisma became a regular drop was the hassle of acquiring it through challenge

So leaving it too vague may suggest going back to a challenge drop
Which would definitely not be accepted

[swift wharf]

now do that as summoner

[unique vector]

suggest giving it an alternate method of challenge

that isnt daytime EoL

[bright crag]

Ok
Thanks

[swift wharf]

i forgot kaleidoscope exists oops

[bright crag]

Give Terraprisma a unique source

Terraprisma is a very powerful and iconic weapon that stands out from the Empress of Light's drop pool. However, in v2.0, it was simply moved to the regular drop pool, making it essentially just like the other weapons.
I believe that the method of acquiring Terraprisma should remain unique, but not Daytime EoL. Ideally, it would be a fun challenge tied to Empress, that is viable enough for casual players to obtain it without too much suffering.
Terraprisma is supposed to be a weapon you conquer through your effort, and getting it as a regular drop doesn't really feel like that. Do Terraprisma justice, please.

What do you think?
Is it bad

[fallow silo]

I feel it should be obtained through nohitting EoL; similar to the vanilla daytime fight, just without having to get rid of the whole 'enrage' mode added

[hot zephyr]

it would end up being the exact same verdict

[bright crag]

As a nohitter, I wholeheartedly agree
Specially since EoL is super consistent and not too annoying to nohit because of that

But the devs will definitely not make Terraprisma a nohit reward

[fallow silo]

why is that?

[drowsy plank]

rev+ removes EoL's consistency anyway

lmao

[night jolt]

How about just making daytime EoL not instakill you in Calamity?

Then you can give it back to her

[fallow silo]

hm.

[hot zephyr]

daytime eol in cal is already not a nohit

[bright crag]

That sounds like a really counter-intuitive change
Why remove part of what made EoL great...?

[drowsy plank]

she already doesnt do that

[drowsy plank]

make it harder or something...? idk

[fallow silo]

like the whole daytime fight from vanilla?

lmao

[inner anvil]

But we're going to nerf Terraprisma now that it is a normal drop. :(

[swift wharf]

Terraprisma definitely needs a nerf yeah

[bright crag]

Devs aren't very found of challenge drops anymore
And don't want to incentivize nohits

[swift wharf]

Especially that whips are gonna be fixed

[fallow silo]

fixed?

in what way?

[swift wharf]

Whips are not working correctly

[fallow silo]

oh?

[hot zephyr]

they do be bugged a bit

[swift wharf]

No tag damage I think?

So if you add fixed whips + terraprisma you get ez post ml

[fallow silo]

I haven't played calamity 1.4, and just remember seeing that the community got all up in an uproar about whips' weird status of being affected by melee speed but also being summoner damage, so I was concerned there for a sec

[inner anvil]

Tag damage does not work.

[hot zephyr]

idk giving terraprisma a new source sounds unique but uh

where would you put it

[inner anvil]

Back to Daytime EoL. :troll:

[swift wharf]

terraprisma is overrated tbh

leave it as a normal drop

[drowsy plank]

1% drop from prismatic lacewing like how ??? drops aquatic heart ez

[hot zephyr]

i will stab you

[bright crag]

Worst ending tbh
It's ok if it's nerfed just enough to make it not viable from Providence onwards, but

Putting Terraprisma in regular loot and nerfing it feels like getting a gold bar and turning 90% of it into silver

[fallow silo]

I personally highly disagree with it becoming a normal drop+a nerf, unless you can upgrade it later on

[bright crag]

I could come up with something, but pixl suggested being vague initially

[bright crag]

^

[swift wharf]

what is up with stuff needing upgrades later on

[inner anvil]

Excellent question.

[fallow silo]

...oh! Make a lesser form of it part of the main drop pool, while having it be upgradeable to its 'true' form!

[drowsy plank]

i think the idea was the maintain some power level of the original terraprisma if they were going to nerf the original, just by making a new item

[fallow silo]

cuz power leveling is a pain in the ass otherwise.

[bright crag]

Terraprisma is a really good weapon
That, and the fact that it is originally a challenge drop, makes it more than worthy to be important to progression

[swift wharf]

Might as well give every item an endgame upgrade

[drowsy plank]

i do not think this is the best solution but it certainly... is one
i think

[swift wharf]

[fallow silo]

unsarcastic +1 for the unique weapons

[drowsy plank]

i think this is actually a decent scenario for asking for an upgrade

similarly to how zenith got moved to post-yharon

[swift wharf]

Terraprisma is getting affected by consistency

Like expert drops dropping in all diffs

[bright crag]

Which I disagree with but ok

[fallow silo]

^this
weapons that play uniquely to other things should either be harkoned back to in upgrades, or be directly upgradeable to allow for their weird playstyle to be kept through a playthrough

[drowsy plank]

celebration mk 2 and terraprisma are basically the end all be alls in vanilla for the respectively classes, and last prism got upgrades and zenith got moved soooooo

[swift wharf]

If you give me a really interesting way to obtain terraprisma then I might change my opinion

[drowsy plank]

but celebration and terraprisma cannot stay where they are rn without completely destroying progression so

move it or upgrade it

i think are the reasonable options

[fallow silo]

move it, nerf it, or upgrade to it.

[bright crag]

Making everything obtainable in every difficulty feels unnecessary

[swift wharf]

Not everything is

[inner anvil]

Bruh, why?

[drowsy plank]

well the nerfs are a given, but i think it'd be sad to just bop them and leave them for a single tier compared to what they used to be

[fallow silo]

agreed, for weapons, at least.

[bright crag]

Because if you make them less unique and meaningful it's just ...?

[fallow silo]

unironically, the only challenge drop that felt like a 'must have' for me back in the old calamity days of 2019 was the counter scarf.

[inner anvil]

Define "Unique", we may have different visions.

[fallow silo]

weapons with a significantly different playstyle, or an almost counterintuitive trait compared to those within the same class. For example, the Xenopopper

[swift wharf]

Say that to any homing bullet

[fallow silo]

lmao

[bright crag]

Something that feels special, rewarding, or iconic to acquire

[fallow silo]

^

Unique weapons should have a way to keep their gimmick from the point you get them onwards

[drowsy plank]

difficulty locked items were removed for the same reason all the shortswords were removed
what's the point of having a bajillion items if half of them aren't even used by most of the playerbase due to their difficulty requirements
who's gonna wanna rework the 1% drop from "itchkul, the very hard boss" if most people never bother killing him

terraprisma is weird, but i get it for everything else

[bright crag]

Which is why locking things behind challenge is kinda tricky
Because it has to be challenging but accessible

[swift wharf]

nohitting is not one of them

[bright crag]

In vanilla, it was
But Calamity changing Daytime EoL and dodges makes that a lot harder, so...

[drowsy plank]

tbh putting TP behind current malice EoL wouldnt even be that bad considering she dont oneshot anymore BUT, her drop chances do go from 25% in classic, to 33% in expert, to 100% in malice

for terraprisma

[swift wharf]

gael moment

[drowsy plank]

lol

[inner anvil]

Well, I'm just going to say that I hope your suggestion has good reasoning, because it's going to be hard to convince otherwise.

[bright crag]

Eh

Hard to convince people about this

Some simply don't care about uniqueness as much
In this sense at least

[drowsy plank]

i still think the "if it gets nerfed there should be an upgrade" would get more votes than asking to relock things behind difficulties

[swift wharf]

I feel like you're overating the weapon

[inner anvil]

We care more about how unique is the weapon itself than how you obtain it, the latter is also important? Yes, but it doesn't require big challenges.

[unique vector]

i think the point is that its a vanilla weapon that was originally meaant to be a challenge-level weapon

[bright crag]

"Terraprisma is overrated"
7-min SCal, works wonderfully as a summon, iconic weapon that people went as far as nohitting for

[inner anvil]

We're going to nerf it.

[swift wharf]

Not in that sense

[inner anvil]

Reminder.

[drowsy plank]

calamity powercreep be like "terraprisma isnt even that good!!1!"

[swift wharf]

I know how strong it is, I beat post ML with it too

[bright crag]

Not necessarily a big challenge
Heck, doesn't even need to be a challenge
It just has to be unique to get

[unique vector]

i have no comment on this

i was agaainst moving it as a normal drop

👍

[inner anvil]

Yup, it's how things are, there was a vote and making it a normal drop was the winner.

[bright crag]

I like how the weapons themselves are gotten more unique in Calamity, but rn it feels like the way to obtain it has been neglected or even trashed

[unique vector]

it doesnt matter for most weapons

[inner anvil]

^

[unique vector]

altho iagree with the point that it shouldnt be boring

im just like

1. are we actually considering it a normal drop
2. if so why do we need to give it special treatment

[bright crag]

In the matter of Legendaries, for example
I really liked the Malice exclusive system, and they are kinda boring rn
But knowing that they will have some unique way of obtainment is enough
Because unique isn't necessarily challenge

[swift wharf]

If terraprisma were more unique weapon wise then I'd agree with moving it to a normal drop would be bad
But like other summon weapons it goes to enemy and hits it

[inner anvil]

But don't jump into conclusions so quickly, we are not neglecting ways to obtain it, in the future we have planned for those 10% drop rate weapons in bosses to have a unique way to get it, it's a temporary solution, we'll get to it when we feel it's ready to do so.

[bright crag]

Have you read the entire comment

[inner anvil]

I have read this one.

I'm doing other things.

[unique vector]

i hate the malice exclusive system

[bright crag]

I'm glad they will get unique ways to be obtained
And in that sense, I don't have any problem with them

[unique vector]

only bc i dont like malice

👍

[swift wharf]

Makes people use the stuff less

[inner anvil]

Malice. :trollge:

[crude geode]

Malice kinda twisted the original suggestion regarding legendaries/RIV

in that, instead of a unique challenge for each drop, it was instead just "do this difficulty mode"

[bright crag]

Malice exclusives made Legendaries unique, and that was enough to make me like it
But I do agree that it had the big flaw of not being accessible

[inner anvil]

Unrelated, I wonder how much would have the opinion of the community would've change if there would have never been weapons behind challenges.

[swift wharf]

This
.

If everyone is super

[inner anvil]

This.

[swift wharf]

Then no one is

[fossil finch]

Everyone in the observable universe hates malice*

[unique vector]

among us

[crude geode]

so true!

[inner anvil]

Thanks Pixl for your daily contribuition.

[swift wharf]

Malice is socially acceptable master fight me

[drowsy plank]

i thought death mode was

malice and master both kinda stinky tho
malice had cancerous or non-existent AI changes and master is

[bright crag]

Difficulty modes are simply a ladder

Master

Malice was creative and nice to some degree

Malice SCal looks amazing, for example

The most cancerous thing about Malice was removed long ago

[fossil finch]

Anyways we can all agree the universe is a cold place

[swift wharf]

It was a hot place for a few seconds

[drowsy plank]

the universe is, on average, a place

[crude geode]

I assume one random comment spawned this conversation

@vernal wharf you should address the fact that other mods exist for this purpose (I can't recall the ones for specifically dealing with respawn times but better multiplayer can straight up disable respawns) and that cal reduces respawn times

[vernal wharf]

I am asking for longer re-spawns In multiplayer. Maybe 1 or 2 seconds per player.

[gray nebula]

thatd be so hard to code

[crude geode]

@proud plinth see above

[proud plinth]

k

[proud plinth]

so?

[gray nebula]

so?

like das an issue with the terraria engine not calamity ask tmod people to fix the right click code instead

also I mean tbf I feel like it's better how it is now

[proud plinth]

wait doesnt tmod run off of terraria?

[gray nebula]

imagine wanting to interact with a npc but you can't because you forgot your main item had a right cpi k

click

yea

tmod is terraria with a lot of code rearrangements and extra bits

[drowsy plank]

turn off your auto-click and clean ur damn arenas lmao

i solved the problem

[gray nebula]

grave disabler item would be g eat

does anyone know of a specific area of the mod that is lacking in interest atm

[vernal wharf]

There are mods to reduce grave spawns

[gray nebula]

just put that item in this area and the problem is solved

[proud plinth]

still arenas sometimes use npcs that get in the way

[drowsy plank]

what arena is using an npc

[crude geode]

exploration

[proud plinth]

like nurse for healing or some npcs for other niche reasons

[bright crag]

Feel like between Providence and OD could use some flair

[proud plinth]

have you never heard of that

[gray nebula]

that is way too late

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to have ur npcs there and rev+ literally blocks nurse healing so

[bright crag]

What do you mean then?

[gray nebula]

idk

permafrost shop

marnite

[proud plinth]

idk man i dont feel like arguing about a suggestion rn

[drowsy plank]

marnite changes would be very cool
i think im one of like maybe 5 people that have ever used it

[gray nebula]

just so u know I have a gun aimed right at permafrost shop

[drowsy plank]

then dont post it, that's literally something to be expected according to the rules and pins lmfao

[gray nebula]

the moment I get to cryogen is the moment it dies and his wares (more weapons yay) get swapped for useful items instead

[proud plinth]

i have to argue about my suggestion to post it?

[drowsy plank]

no i mean expect feedback and critcism

[proud plinth]

like i have to finish through the argument to the end or i have to remove it?

oh

im fine with criticism, im just saying i dont want to go back and forth with junk

if its a bad suggestion and majority is against it im fine with that and realize that

[drowsy plank]

i would love this so much i dont use half the cal NPCs cause they sell weapons i never bother getting lmfao

[proud plinth]

if even the dev denies it then yeah, im fine to settle it, just dont need back and forth, good day

[drowsy plank]

aight

[gray nebula]

me when I Béat a boss that drops weapons and a npc that sells another fucking set of weapons

[vernal wharf]

Would it be in the scope of calamity to expand builder tools and accessories?

[drowsy plank]

dont forget the boss probably also dropped enough money to buy the weapons so it makes you wonder why the boss didnt just

drop the weapons himself

[gray nebula]

it would be

[bright crag]

I don't see anything very lacking, but

Preboss Hardmode, I'd say

[gray nebula]

I added 2 builder ish tools recently

😇

[drowsy plank]

yay

[crude geode]

are you looking at killing or adding things

[gray nebula]

Well one is a destruction tool so not exactly

I'm looking at swapping things

like remove weapons, put items that players would have a reason to use

[bright crag]

The rest of HM is a gear dump, and the other sections I think may be lacking already have upcoming stuff

[gray nebula]

ideally these ideas come from an issue

to solve

like idk what issues people have in a pt I forgot my examples

[drowsy plank]

marnite

[bright crag]

oh
There's also the Hydrothermic set being the generic 5 helmet set currently

[gray nebula]

I Know

[drowsy plank]

u said u forgot ur examples i was just providing one

[gray nebula]

call me uh, idk,??? the fbi or something because there's so many people I have in my sights rn (and by people I mean 5 helmet sets

also ye

I said I know to venus

[bright crag]

Marnite seems like just a little boost if you have found both biomes

Would it really demand a set...?

[unique vector]

Amogn US

[bright crag]

There will be more interesting Wulfrum stuff eventually

Thank you for your assessment, pixl

[gray nebula]

eventually tm

[drowsy plank]

it's not even that much of a boost, id argue it might be worse than the standard items for the tier lmao

[gray nebula]

there's just the minion left, gahh

almost done yet its the least motivating one

[inner anvil]

The minion, the minion, the minion...

[gray nebula]

minion would work kinda like how it does rn but you can make them buff you instead

of course while doing that they don't attack and you can't use whips or anything else so thas lost dps

[drowsy plank]

oh if ur looking for preHM stuff to look at i think the biome specific stat sticks might be worth a consideration

the only one i even consider is living dew and that's just bc it's a bezoar upgrade for queen bee

[gray nebula]

I m

I think u got my request a bit warped oomfie

cognoomfie

[drowsy plank]

lmao

im gonna be honest i def did but it wasnt terribly clear

[gray nebula]

basically what I meant originally was like "OK give me a spot in the game that currently has stuff but it's so unappealing that no one is incentivized to go or look there"

[bright crag]

At least the Obliterator is useful

[drowsy plank]

oh like biomes

[gray nebula]

"so I can slot in an item that'd be anti grave qol

"so people interact with the content more

doesn't have to be biomes, just anything lol

[vernal wharf]

Underworld has no reason to return past early hard mode.

[gray nebula]

and then it switched into the reverse of like "also think of qol / useful items that actually solve real problems people have

I mean calamity adds nothing in hell anyways

who do u think am i? I'm not here to fix vanilla mistakes

but like for example my example was permafrosts sgop

shop

cuz no one fucking goes to his shop (especially now that coldheart died

so I was like "what about items that actually solve real problems player may have that aren't litterally" hurr dur more damage

do life fruits get picked up by speunker potion '... that'd be a good one

[swift wharf]

they do

[gray nebula]

oh sucks

Well it's good but that's a fail for me

[bright crag]

Maybe there could be something to help players get Life Crystals...?

There's the Mana Crystal fish
But nothing to aid in Life Crystal finding

[swift wharf]

there's a recipe for them

[fossil finch]

They're already easy as fuck to get and are crafteable I'm dying

[gray nebula]

so cringe...

[drowsy plank]

and you can fish them
and they highlight with spelunk

[bright crag]

That's kinda lame

[gray nebula]

I added something that helps with them anyways

[bright crag]

Hmmmm

[gray nebula]

added value for wulfrum let's go

[vernal wharf]

Bigger dirt bomb and a stone bomb would be nice for builders...

[bright crag]

Wulfrum is looking good
So is Aerialite

[fossil finch]

Anyways i want art attack's projectile to be faster so you can draw faster which in turns would kinda be about balance but idk because it's a very specific and indirect way to buff an item

[gray nebula]

background mine

that explodes background tiles

[fossil finch]

TEUE

[bright crag]

When are those two arriving, tho?

[bright crag]

Sounds great

[gray nebula]

wulfrum is arriving next month

I think

[vernal wharf]

Bombs do explode background tiles

[gray nebula]

unless something terrible happens to me

[bright crag]

Nice
I really like the Wulfrum stuff

[swift wharf]

talking about wulfrum and aerealite reworks
iban will there be more stuff like cnidarian :plead

[gray nebula]

aerialite idk

[drowsy plank]

i totally blanked on that but yeah wall bomb would be so fucking nice considering i usually just place tiles to use normal bombs on them

[fossil finch]

TRUE oh my god background-only bomb let's fucking

[gray nebula]

there will be no cnidarian 2

[bright crag]

OH

[unique vector]

iban when are you making my dev item

[swift wharf]

I mean like

whipn't weaoons

weapons

[gray nebula]

unless it's some specific upgrade of something

I mean maybe

[bright crag]

Also, Iban
Cryonic set is kinda bland currently

[gray nebula]

I made another summoner weapon (fake)

but you can't hold it

you can't have it

but you can use it?

[swift wharf]

interesting

[gray nebula]

altho yeah delete cryonic gg ez

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[bright crag]

:soootrue:

[gray nebula]

just make cryo's drop pool good

[bright crag]

I genuinely don't know what else is missing tbh

[gray nebula]

which is planned ty jace

[fossil finch]

Anyways if there is a part of the Calamity™️ game that lacks interests it's underground astra planetoids are good as qol early on but after that they're just nothing
I don't actually think that's fixable but maybe add some unique loot to them so we don't have a repeat of the dude asking for a config to toggle them off because they bothered him a little when making arenas

[gray nebula]

OK but what unique loot

[bright crag]

I assume shifting Ravager to [post-Provi?] Crags would fill the post-Providence void

[gray nebula]

I mean I would be so in favor of putting the anti grave loot here

but people would then ask for it to be made craftable

and then I bash their skull in

[fossil finch]

Then do and don't listen to the haters

[drowsy plank]

i assume if ur gonna kill permafrost shop you're prolly considering amidias shop too right

[gray nebula]

unsure

[fossil finch]

Amidias shop is gonna be killed yea

[gray nebula]

cuz there's

mh

yeah

[bright crag]

Planetoids feel generic but at the same time they're accessible so early that any new content is kinda... hard to place?

[gray nebula]

Victide!

[fossil finch]

I am held at gunpoint to not disclose info sometimes

[swift wharf]

yea

[gray nebula]

also i am not excited for haters to shite their pants and ask for every set to be made as coolio as wulfrum when I don't have all the time in the world..

[swift wharf]

it jumps from prehm stuff to luminite/clusters

[fossil finch]

Yeah qol things wouls be good for planetoids
They're already qol
A graveyard disabler would fit

[bright crag]

The Ocean and Space biome currently are very monotone and not biomes where you'd go frequently

[gray nebula]

play spirit

,

:thumbsup m:

[fossil finch]

Trolled

[drowsy plank]

planetoids are nice early game they actually have a lot of obnoxious to find items in there like diving helms and flippers and sometimes they just... have jungle spores?? which is cool. jellyfish necklace being added to planetoid water chests would be nice

[bright crag]

That is true

[fossil finch]

Post levi ocean invasion event when

[swift wharf]

vaporwave biome

[fossil finch]

Planetoids can have cadance potions

[gray nebula]

omg add content to the pirate invasion!

[fossil finch]

Jungle planetoids are so fucking funny

[gray nebula]

not anymore

[unique vector]

iban cana you rewtork aerialite statigel brimflame cryonic reaver fearmonger mollusk hallowed scoria stardust ueliubkmoom armorp els

pls

psl

[drowsy plank]

i forgot Cal killed all its pirate content

[gray nebula]

yes!

[swift wharf]

moving some drop % from pink jelly to the necklace would be neato

[gray nebula]

I wishe

[unique vector]

caan you remake terraria

🤩

[gray nebula]

yuck

[fossil finch]

Was gonna say brimflame is cool already then i remembered this is COOLER so

[sinful violet]

pixl shut up

[bright crag]

Space could get one or two unique accessories/weapons in the Planetoids

[gray nebula]

brimflame is not plague reaper at leaste

[bright crag]

But not much since it's currently a very useful place to get preboss resources

[fossil finch]

What about unique planetoids
Planetoid lab is now entirely artificial
I hate myself

Anyways what were we talking about

Oh yeah qol

[swift wharf]

uhhhhh

[fossil finch]

But like actual qol not play for me qol

[swift wharf]

yeah

[unique vector]

can you pls like like add my aavioretie aarmor and delite aleitheotherones

ithinki td ebcool if everyone elsemused on,ymy wrarmor

[drowsy plank]

im thinking about the pirate invasion there is literally one (1) item you get from it in cal and it's something you buy from bandit

[fossil finch]

What

[swift wharf]

oh yeah

bandit

thoughts on bandit

?

[unique vector]

could get better weapons

[sinful violet]

shut the fuck up pixl

[bright crag]

She's ok
Has a suspicious amount of powerful loot

[fossil finch]

bandit is fine until she isn't because she literally sells:
Useless acc 1 2 and 3

Gloves
Necklace and dragon scales
Bad weapons^6

[bright crag]

flashbacks to Bandit looting post-ML bosses

[swift wharf]

slick cane

[fossil finch]

And some relevant potions

And climbing gear

[gray nebula]

bandit after I forget she exists uwu

actually guys

[sinful violet]

bandit when she just doesn't spawn

👍

[gray nebula]

quick thought experiment

[fossil finch]

Bandit could uh actually steal something from someone

[drowsy plank]

bandit fucking mugs you irl

[gray nebula]

check on all the vanillin npcs

how many of them are there to sell you more gear (damage

tavernkeep doesn't count

[drowsy plank]

uhhhhh
cyborg?

[swift wharf]

do you mean weapons or

[fossil finch]

Arms Dealer, Cyborg

[bright crag]

Also, I wonder
How often are Calamitas' enchants/exhumes used?

[fossil finch]

uhhh

[swift wharf]

witch doctor

[gray nebula]

exactly, exactly

[sinful violet]

yes

[swift wharf]

angler

[bright crag]

Princess technically

[drowsy plank]

what

[fossil finch]

With doctor sells a crafting station and fountains though his main primary use for people are the accs and tiki armor gonna be honest

[swift wharf]

child murder

[gray nebula]

basically npcs that only exist to sell weapons kinda.. badsaucd

[fossil finch]

Princess no

[drowsy plank]

princess has like two tables worth of building items

[sinful violet]

make bandit the rogue buff station 🥱

[bright crag]

Resonance Scepter

[sinful violet]

2 birds one stone

[drowsy plank]

at least she isnt pirate (one vanity set and... cannons....)

[gray nebula]

trued

[sinful violet]

pirate doesn't count

[bright crag]

So true

[swift wharf]

pirate is a npc

[sinful violet]

lol!!!!!

[fossil finch]

Resonance is not a sold in vanilla

[sinful violet]

what

[sleek turret]

you have to murder

[swift wharf]

it's a drop

[drowsy plank]

wrong he is a glorified pirate invasion drop table that they turned into a person

[sinful violet]

did that change

[fossil finch]

That's grammatically incorrect

[swift wharf]

KILL the child.

[sinful violet]

or was it always like that

[fossil finch]

no it didn't

She doesn't sell it in vanilla

It's a drop

[bright crag]

Calamity makes her sell it

[sinful violet]

wacky

[fossil finch]

Like every other npc weapon

Literally all of them work like this

[sinful violet]

what

[fossil finch]

It's calamity which makes them sold

[swift wharf]

calamity protection services

[bright crag]

Is Combat Wrench sold now?

[fossil finch]

No

[bright crag]

Looks like a cool weapon

Inconsistency smh

[fossil finch]

Because it's not an item or something

[swift wharf]

paint gun taking the last slot on painter's shop be like

[sinful violet]

no because they suck unless they've been uberbuffed

[bright crag]

It is

[fossil finch]

or because everyone forgot it is

[sinful violet]

and still no one uses them

[sleek turret]

why use that when you have the powerhouse of the funny flamarang

[bright crag]

Combat Wrench is an item
Dropped by the Mechanic, basically a boomerang Wrench

[drowsy plank]

make (insert npc broadsword) like the ore swords :)

[fossil finch]

Everyone forgot

[swift wharf]

it's the weapon she uses

[sleek turret]

which is comically better and faster and stronger too!

[drowsy plank]

make combat wrench deal electrified :))

[bright crag]

I remember it having a special property when hitting enemies but can't confirm

[swift wharf]

everyone indeed forgot

[bright crag]

Like
Piercing or smth

[fossil finch]

Anyways uh

[swift wharf]

!wiki tgc:combat wrench

[red storm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Combat_Wrench

[drowsy plank]

oh it does pierce

that's it

[bright crag]

Idk

Check it

[swift wharf]

it does

yes

[drowsy plank]

it pierces once
unless it's returning but every boomerang does that

[bright crag]

HOLY SHIT IT DOES

[swift wharf]

make it a rogue weapon trol

[bright crag]

Wait what

That's lame

[sleek turret]

It pierces and the gif shown it's like it pierces and comes back to pierce the enemy again??

[drowsy plank]

it pierces one enemy look at the gif

[swift wharf]

it pierces multiple targets

[sleek turret]

yeah that's about it

[swift wharf]

(Nobody knows what it does)

[fossil finch]

Maybe there exist undiscovered what about a better clentaminator

[swift wharf]

fargo renewals ®

[fossil finch]

Or an earlier one powered by the dusts

[drowsy plank]

preHM one would be nice. make the dusts less shit

i had a crimson spawn inside my sulphurous sea so i had to use one and it's uhhhhh

they sure do exist

[fossil finch]

Marnite clenty, uses powders, takes aerialite to make

[sleek turret]

make it so the axe that gets upgraded to axe of purity use dusts

[bright crag]

Clentaminating bombs

[fossil finch]

Axe of Purity sucks there should be a dedicated item for that

Clenty bombs sound useless

[swift wharf]

btw we mentioned marnite is it getting any changes or

[fossil finch]

Clenty has lotta range

It's not

[drowsy plank]

they mentioned marnite first i think they have it in their sights at least

[bright crag]

Obviously with more range than bombs

[sleek turret]

idfk magical wand or smth that does something cool and purify stuff

[gray nebula]

just make axeof purity better

LL L L L L l

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[swift wharf]

I approve feller buffs

[drowsy plank]

feller is truly one of the tools ever

[swift wharf]

best pregame melee

[sleek turret]

best pre-hm tool..,.,,.

[swift wharf]

[sleek turret]

yeah it's comical

same with waraxe i think

[drowsy plank]

waraxe is dead

[sleek turret]

yeah i was thinking about that

[swift wharf]

the axe community is getting heated

[drowsy plank]

feller's recipe just being two silver axes reminds me of that shitty console only bow that was just two molten furies

[sleek turret]

just detonate trees if you want wood so badly

[drowsy plank]

it isnt actually but it's like

equal materials

[sleek turret]

La Shatanga

[drowsy plank]

yes

[swift wharf]

sharanga

[sleek turret]

literally the same fuckign shit as molten bow except it inflicts cursed flames

[swift wharf]

console is truly

[drowsy plank]

it's two of them so its twice as good

[sleek turret]

:clueless:

[drowsy plank]

that's how balance works right

[swift wharf]

console has no balance (prehm drax)

had

same thing

[hollow shell]

@cerulean karma Too specific. See the Dont's doc in pins.
Also reads like a joke suggestion, there's no reason for it to be a branded tractor

[cerulean karma]

my bad i just really like john deere, sorry i will remove

[drowsy plank]

also it'd be funny haha
read the rules impossible challenge

[valid prism]

john deere > adobe premiere pro 2021

[small timber]

Area that can use more incentive I think is draedon lab, (some) of the biome lab and most of the non-biome ones

Because of how draedon materials work you dont really have to get more than 3-4 factory which makes exploring normal draedon lab pointless (unless for shpc)

For biome ice have arctic diving gear and space have planter boxes and shpc part, others feel somewhat lackluster and only really for.schematics

And of course the surface level sulphur sea

[fossil finch]

Shouldn't we yell to the dude suggesting the mage healer set

[drowsy plank]

i uhhhh

[fossil finch]

It has extremely weak reasoning

[drowsy plank]

ok yeah for that probably

[fossil finch]

I also had a stroke reading it but

[small timber]

Ya since if spectre is the only case of multiplayer healing, it makes it more of its unique property rather than like "currently healer class are lacking late game gears"

[fossil finch]

They lack gear at all

The hood is literally the only item in the game capable of healing other players

[fossil finch]

@hollow shell about the current last sugg on posting
Just want to ask

Anyways uh

@quiet briar your suggestion has very weak reasoning
Not only that, spectre hood isn't "the last" item with mp healing properties, it's the only one in the entire game you should address this in your suggestion

[drowsy plank]

man ive been typing up a lot of suggs recently but with how many are in posting, let alone voting rn i just haven't found a good time to share them

[odd zinc]

playing summoner in calamity and i stop getting good whips after moonlord i feel calamity should add some

[small timber]

It is a soon™️ matter, eventually they will add calamity late game whips

Soon™️

[hollow shell]

The reasoning is indeed pretty weak

[snow wasp]

they will probably be added eventually

[hollow shell]

Yes we will add whips eventually

[snow wasp]

porting calam to 1.4 was already a headache for whips because they were incredibly unbalanced and had to be fine tuned individually (or so ive heard)

so i assume thats why they werent added on the 1.4 release itself

[hollow shell]

Yes the porting process took long enough as it was
We decided to get Calamity into a playable state for the port, then add in all the 1.4 parity stuff in subsequent updates

whips, achievements, pylons, etc

(We're actually waiting on tModLoader for pylon compatibility iirc)

[grave zinc]

@north stone - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the recipe of the true bloody edge to require 3 of each mech boss soul instead of a broken hero sword]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Didn't get delivered but I just noticed this was in the .003 changelogs on the wiki

[fossil finch]

The fact you forgot the bloody edges when making the recipe changes really shows how worthless they are

[hollow shell]

Nah I wouldn't say that

I blame it more on this being like
the 4th recipe change that vanilla has done to the True and Terra swords

[fossil finch]

You forgot normal bloody edge's funny purified slime too

Vanilla is not the one to blame

[hollow shell]

Ok true we edited Night's Edge's recipe in 2.0.0.1, and Bloody Edge's recipe in 2.0.0.3

[hollow shell]

Questionable suggestion

[remote sandal]

I don't expect it to go much of anywhere, but I'd like the idea to be seen

[remote sandal]

could you elaborate?

[hollow shell]

SCal was changed to not be an eyeball for a reason
Its removal was shedding the last vestige of being a Twins clone

and it had no lore explanation

[small timber]

ya now scal lorewise is just, have no connection to the eyeball anymore

(and scal is straight up a human(oid), not an eyeball mimicing as human)

[remote sandal]

yeah, basically just tossing shit at the wall, but the lore could basically just be: "eyeball is calamitas evil shit escaping or whatever"

[small timber]

but why will they change the lore to a worse state? it was deliberately changed not only because to prevent scal being twins clone but also to improve the lore

[remote sandal]

it wouldn't make the lore be worse imo

[small timber]

(and it will look REALLY weird, considering how metallic the old eyeball scal is)

[remote sandal]

now thats fair

[unique vector]

im gonna exclaim it bc suggesting changes to be reverted is banned

also what rover saaid

also i dont think we're ever gonna redo the lore just so it works for her eyeball form again

her deathmode pet is still her eyeball so

👍

[hollow shell]

(Expert pet)

(The Death one is Levi)

[unique vector]

oh

right

[remote sandal]

ah sorry i didn't think about that very hard lol, read the rule and it just skimmed over me

[cobalt pewter]

that's exactly what the powders do wha

[small timber]

nuke

@hollow shell

[frozen hornet]

@fossil gazelle are you saying to give cal's shortswords omnidirectional swings?

[bright crag]

More powerful stuff, obviously

Cleaning like
A huge radius

Eh, I won't suggest it anyways

[gaunt tiger]

@jade birch use the blade staff

[fossil gazelle]

Ye

[frozen hornet]

Might want to reword your sugg then

It's kinda confusing to read

[fossil gazelle]

ok

[frozen hornet]

Also I'm pretty sure they're getting reworked eventually anyways

[fossil gazelle]

Oh

so I will delete it

[swift wharf]

or sanguine staff

[gaunt tiger]

blade staff my beloved

they do not understand you 😢

[swift wharf]

but queen slime bad
(nautilus is a miniboss with 0 flaws whatsoever)

[gaunt tiger]

🤔

[crude geode]

Fishing (cal players hate it)

[swift wharf]

playing the game (cal players hate it)

[deep hamlet]

would it not be beneficial to nerf the amount of resources you get from the space biome, especially early game, i have 800 gold from 2 islands, its a bit silly because im 40 minutes in and have way more gold than i can even use

[lucid flare]

counterpoint: harpy

[strong jacinth]

i dont see how thats a big problem, you arent going to use that much gold in single player, but for multiplayer it comes in handy
not like gold is the best tier of item you can get either, just speeds up the mining process early game

[deep hamlet]

i believe its the best pre boss armour

and can carry you up to molten armour

[deep hamlet]

counter the counter point - night time

[lavish condor]

iirc it's like 300 ore an armor set right? That'd be horrible to get multiple of in multiplayer, and the islands serve as alternate ways of getting it that are more resource intensive (grav pots) and dangerous (harpies)

[deep hamlet]

what im saying is that that was 2 islands that were next to each other

above spawn

they could at least make it harder to get

[lavish condor]

Those big vein planetoids can also spawn the other 3 prehm ores, so maybe have the higher tiers increase in frequency near the edge of the world, and the centers have less valuable ones? Could also apply to the life crystal planetoids' gems

[deep hamlet]

just got jumped by little bees nvm i retract what i said

[deep hamlet]

yeah that'd be easier

i like them n all

but they're a bit easy to get to

[strong jacinth]

gold armor has the mining set bonus, realistically its not a big deal for single player you dont have to use it, its just QoL for multiplayer
oh and for pre boss armor theres alternatives for combat like wulfrum, snow ruffian, jungle, desert prowler, etc

[fossil finch]

It's less in calamity

[deep hamlet]

yeah but gold is more than enough for EoC to skeletron

[fossil finch]

Ore armors were reworked

They now have combat abilities

[deep hamlet]

im so sorry

i see where some are coming from

the danger aspect

They definitely shouldnt remove it tho, it helps if you dont have the correct natural ore in the world

[small timber]

I actually think the gold is whatever, the amount of life crystal you can get is the big deal

[strong jacinth]

since when? i just played through last week and gold armor had mining bonus

[small timber]

if you find a ruby small planetoid you can get 20 life crystals like instantly by crafying

and ya, the biggest obstacle of space exploration tend to be harpies, whether night time or not, be also really rewarding

[deep hamlet]

gold armour increases mining speed, + whatever gold you have in inventory you get buffs @strong jacinth
plus bosses + normal enemies have a small chance to drop gold

[small timber]

ya gold armour is really good, just I tend to see gold armour is like, a bonus? I mainly explore space for life crystals

particularly ruby planetoid

[deep hamlet]

true, but yet again the early game loot there is incredible

just gotta be careful and you're sorted for the EoC 20m in

[small timber]

maybe make the ore planetoid generate smaller since it was that size as ores (was) almost useless for combat, I guess they can nerf it

[deep hamlet]

nerf or move to the end of the map

[small timber]

move to the end of the map will be a bit counterintuitive, probably just nerf in that case

or like, change the structure so the planetoid have less ore but have a gold chest item, since gold chest item are almost all craftable now

[deep hamlet]

true true

i d like to see new items in there, that could be developed for a space boss (maybe) and a rework space biome
well that'd be cool

other wise golden chest items would also be use full**

neither, but it'd be nice

i mean they already have a space boss

[gaunt tiger]

I think if they're adding any more biomes I'd want calamity to have the larger world size support

huge world or whatever

it already gets too crowded

[small timber]

I think "space biome" is not gonna happen for now, heard there was technical issue related with it

something along the line of space biome cannot really be defined so it cannot really exist as a biome

[deep hamlet]

ah i see, well there is a different mod that adds that, i cant remember the name off the top of my head tho

[small timber]

the current 'space biome' is basically generating structures in the space level

oh wait not 'space biome', it is planetoid biome

[deep hamlet]

true, a revamp would be cool in the future tho

or maybe even terraria 2

yharon resides in the jungle

unless im thinking of another thing

[small timber]

they are gonna add an actual 'yharon biome' in the future I think

[deep hamlet]

oh

would it not be an extension to the jungle?

[crude geode]

try not to worry about it lol

[small timber]

ya, just I always confused if it is yharim biome or yharon biome

[deep hamlet]

yeah, but its cool to fantasise

[crude geode]

there's far more pressing things than adding another biome when the ones we have are kinda stinky

[deep hamlet]

my favourite biome is probably the astral biome

that is cool, but i think the meteor has little to no use, the armour is subpar in my opinion and i always forget about it

[fossil finch]

Since 2.0.0.001

[strong jacinth]

oh yeah thats what i meant , thats still a mining armor set
the gold buffs are useless early game

[deep hamlet]

i guess, i mean you only need 10 gold for the buffs

[strong jacinth]

never used it for that just wanted the mining speed bonus, put on rogue armor for bosses

[fossil finch]

I mean for rogues it's anothet thing because stealth

But for other classes it's worth it

[deep hamlet]

ive never used rogue b4

[drowsy plank]

one could say it's a similar situation for summoner

less so bc pygmy necklace but like that post QB why wouldnt you just use aerialite at that point

[deep hamlet]

tru

[gaunt tiger]

BASED @violet pivot let's get this in the mod

[violet pivot]

it was the first thing that comes into my mind after getting the armor

[drowsy plank]

arent they removing the accessories from auric tesla

[violet pivot]

makes you able to hover instead of pressing the space bar makes dodging bullet hell from calamitas much easier

[violet pivot]

then what about putting the magic carpet or hovering in general in the celestial tracer then?

[drowsy plank]

i think we should just get rid of the magic carpet in these random upgrades

[violet pivot]

then just put the hovering mechanic in the celestial tracer

[worn gazelle]

Nerf pumpler

[fossil finch]

Tracers could get hover honestly

They're already awful as wings

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Would make them more useful

Well, Elysian and Celestial. Seraph Tracers would still get outclassed by the Celestial Starboard

[unborn ingot]

What is the hardest class in your opinion?

[fossil finch]

suggestions-discussion class

[unreal lark]

#suggestions-voting message
Fun fact: in vanilla 1.4.4, summoner is getting war table as a temporary increase in sentry slots

so summoner will have TWO instead of one

rogue definitely needs one lol

[drowsy plank]

while i think a whip and sentry set would be nice for post-Moon Lord, vanilla is turning tiki into a whip set already so the only other one i think could need it is maybe a preHM sentry set, but like

eh

and im pretty sure it was mentioned once that there is already plans for at least one whip set post-ML so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim tusk]

Rogue and Summoner (even before whips, but now its worse) on their way to be a pain in the butt to balance

[golden tulip]

it is?

[fossil finch]

It's a rumor

Based on a dev comment saying "maybe"

[golden tulip]

hm

it would be cool to just create multiple helmets for summoner for multiple armor sets that are for whips, sentries or minions like shroomite has helmets for guns, bows and rocket launchers

[gray nebula]

dreaded 3 helmet armor sets but good?

[golden tulip]

demonshade exists

and i like it for that reason

also yea like i said shroomite

[tiny minnow]

That cocoon thing is pointless for summoner, as melee summons stop attacking providence in Arrow, Holy Ray and "air is burning" attack.

[unique vector]

making whips a subclass is just

balancing hell

😭

stealth vs. spam all over again

[golden tulip]

the curse of subclasses?

[fossil finch]

stealth vs spam (Except stealth is always better and literally everything ever catters to stealth

[drowsy plank]

the obvious solution is to just make a really broken spam accessory :)))

[fossil finch]

isn't that glove of recklessness

[drowsy plank]

idk ive never actually played rogue lmfao

[grim tusk]

Used to be

[grim tusk]

Back in 1.4.x everyone used spam cuz stealth sucked and had no reason to be used; why put some thought in your gear when you could just use emblem/old die + glove of recklessness the whole game. Now that it actually rewards you for using some extra braincells to time your shots and even more so if you experiment with accessories to complement certain weapons and playstyles which makes it more engaging than “random bullshit go”, or thats how I perceive it

[golden tulip]

i just entered hm in a rogue pt and ngl i have so far not felt like using stealth was more beneficial than spamming

[grim tusk]

You can still do good shit with spam, such as Heavenfallen stardisk being completely insane with glove of recklessness, Exe blade, prismaline+ and spear of destiny being extremely good and fire and forget, kelvin catalyst and palladium javelins shredding shit and being more consistent, fantasy talisman stacking, plaguenade bee swarms with ichor and Sstn, spikeballs being better on spam due to fast setup, etc

[gaunt tiger]

there's a fuckn ton of good suggestions in voting rn

[unique vector]

@jade birch exclaimed

you should probably clarify why u think summoner is lacking/annoying

what do you mean by "good summons for mech bosses"

what makes the current summons bad?

does it really require neew weapons or do you think they can just be buffed/reworked?

[jade birch]

ok

[swift wharf]

(funnily enough early hm summons are very good)

[fossil finch]

coping

[violet pivot]

The blood bats are a strong choice

[fossil finch]

reverse a change but it's a new item so its okay

(the funny part is that post ml you have comically good mounts and comically fast wings

[unique vector]

@supple lodge exclaimed

you're basically asking for a change reversion but with extra steps

[fossil finch]

also, providence, already axes inf flight anyway

[swift wharf]

soaring insignia upgrade

[unique vector]

not really allowed to do that, please read the suggestion rules

also out of principle we wont ever add another infinite flight time item, thats what u have mounts for

[fossil finch]

dog too
ceaseless and polter by design do

[unique vector]

your reasoning that wings arent good enough is kinda backwards too

you explain they arent good by saying they arent infinite flight

when do u ever need infinite flight besides wanting to circumvent the mechanic of flight time

[swift wharf]

yeah that's pretty

[fossil finch]

except they also said "they're good enough to not require inf flight"

like what

[jade birch]

@unique vector i changed it a bit

[fossil finch]

it's not like inf flight is the problem with insignia anyways
the speed boost is

[swift wharf]

did you try using sanguine or blade staff

those are extremely good against mechs

[fossil finch]

sanguine and blade are the best ones currently yeah

calamity summons at mech stage have always been uh

umpleasant

[swift wharf]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

though i think brimmy's summon should fare well?

[swift wharf]

And if you kill sprime first (as you should) you get one of the best hardmode summon weapons

[fossil finch]

mounted scane

[swift wharf]

and then you use it to get terraprisma

[jade birch]

the issue is for a player like me who likes to use class guide, it doesnt seem like its updates at all

and they still recommend weapons crafted by mythril anvil for the first mech

[violet pivot]

This was my playthrough lol

[swift wharf]

That's a problem with the guide

not the weapons

lmao

[fossil finch]

yeah the class guide is not updated

and that is not the mod's problem

[swift wharf]

and cal summon weps are gonna become better when tag damage gets fixed so like

[jade birch]

ayt i can delete my post theen if you want

it's deleted now

hope i made your day a bit better

[fossil finch]

may make my first suggestion soon

(for real

[ruby plover]

it's a bit first step

[unique vector]

its old and outdated and not the end all be all for recommendations

you'll have better luck experimenting urself ingame

[fossil finch]

trolling

[jade birch]

ok yeah

[fossil finch]

(Why is this inconsistency a thing)

in what moment did we add/remove life alloy from this thing's recipes and those were missed

[subtle sapphire]

I use the class guide to know what weapons I have access to at a given tier. It's annoying to have to scour multiple wiki pages to see all I can drop/craft with everything. And you can always miss things, like for example if you go look for weapons before plantera you'll never find the Archmage ones if you don't look for the archmage page directly.

[fossil finch]

this is why i just am omniscient and test all weapons ever

[subtle sapphire]

based

I shuold try to do that too

[violet pivot]

I have recipe browser just to not loss track of all the new weapons

[drowsy plank]

the class guide isnt outdated but dont even get me started on the fucking pre-mech/pre-plantera section it makes me want to scream. we used to have this whole thing with these little markers to indicate if it was a weapon for with or without the hardmode rework enabled but it was ugly and confusing so rn it's just. a fucking mix of weapons for all 3 stages of mech progression

the idea is, if you're using the hardmode rework you just... look at the pre-plant stage and the mech stage and kinda... use whatever is recommened in both that's obtainable at however many mechs you've killed

the whole situation is dumb and stupid and i hate it and whatever

[fossil finch]

well uh

yeah

kinda

make the guide with the rework in mind i think

[drowsy plank]

oh i just meant i did the most recent update to the guide so it's not like. it didnt have thought put into it, it is just. really hard to get it somewhere that actually works for everyone as a guide for that area in progression

[jade birch]

You created it?

[drowsy plank]

i updated it

for the 1.4 port

most of it at least

it's a wiki so obvs people are adding thing everyday but i tried to add a skeleton for this update specifically bc it adds so much

like ur taking issue with a change that was like 3 updates ago which i wasn't involved with, i just saw someone say it was outdated and like

i took a really long time making sure it wasnt

and the whole wiki chat just doesnt know how to handle mech progression rn so we just

have it like that

[night jolt]

Anything that gives you fast infinite flight should be reserved until damn near the post game. Precedent has been set by the Exo Box

[fossil finch]

Wind based weapons crying

What's the point of them

Literally like
"Unusable unless you wait"
There's no way to control wind at all so you'd just find yourself not using them because your wind sucks

[small timber]

Visual effect affected by wind sure, if the weapon functionality is affected by wind it will be super annoying

Imagine if duke fishron's bubble gun weapon is affected by wind and the bubble can be blowed to the opposite way if the wind is strong enough

Or that you.have to additionally calculate the wind speed for thrown weapon like duststorm in a bottle (or overshot all the time) while also must deal with stealth cd

[fossil finch]

Funnily enough duke's bubbles do this

[gray nebula]

wait

weapons are affected by wind?

i thought it was a lie and they werent ACTUALLY affected by wind

[gaunt tiger]

would be cool if screen filters got fixed

is that tml?

[gray nebula]

refuses to say why theyre wrong

explain whats broken

[gaunt tiger]

oh I thought it was already well documented

SCAL black filter (goes from black to regular background) , boss rush filter, rain filter (rain is invisible), astral biome

otherwise I'd put it in bugs

sry

[tacit badge]

Suggestion Idea: Add a unique background effect to the post DoG events. (Like how DoG, Moon Lord, Providence, etc have a unique background effect)

I think adding a unique background effect to each post DoG event would help add to the theme of them being empowered.

[gaunt tiger]

the moon events and eclipse?

eh

[tacit badge]

It's not a very big addition but I think it would be pretty cool.

[gaunt tiger]

they're not really new tho

if the events got like, a new boss each

oh, that'd be cool actually

like a wave 15 boss for each event

[tacit badge]

Doesn't the eclipse have one?

[gaunt tiger]

yo

YO

[fossil finch]

Suggestion: REMOVE the BUFFED EVENTS

They SUCK

Instant flag

[hollow idol]

its a calamity bug

[fossil finch]

Anyways buffed events are eventually dying so like

Xd

[hollow idol]

fsr boss rush's screen filter is causing all other screen filters to break even when boss rush isn't active

[gaunt tiger]

rain was broken before I did boss rush

and scal too

[hollow idol]

yes, even while not active

even if you've never done the event

[tacit badge]

So it's official that they are getting removed?

[fossil finch]

Yes

[gaunt tiger]

they're a relic of "pre phase 1" when that was a tier

only ogs will remember

(half of the server)

[gaunt tiger]

wow that's annoying

[hollow idol]

90% of the server

[fossil finch]

They're a relic of bad old mod

[gaunt tiger]

I liked phase 1

made yharon cooler

[fossil finch]

That's also a relic of bad old mod boss refights like that are dumb

I'd understand if it was a hornet thing

But you literally kill yharon, ooop! No you have to kill a moth, then again

Eventually you could just fight his phase 2 without even doing darksun

[gaunt tiger]

maybe the boss could use 2 interim bosses before darksun

one for pumpkin moon and one for frost moon

to break up the pace of endgame a little

[crude geode]

bosses

that only worsens the problem of post-ml being a boss rush tbfh

[fossil finch]

It does

Also like how does that break the pace it just adds more bosses

The real fix is non boss non reused content

Like distortion.,.

[sinful steeple]

would a suggestion asking to give hive mind, cryogen and calamitas phase transitions in which they cannot be harmed but also can't harm the player be alright

[tacit badge]

So what will be replacing the post DoG events?

[sinful steeple]

while a little movie magic always spices up fights it's mainly so that when hive mind goes into phase 2, when cryogen goes into its second last phase and when calamitas goes into her last phase they don't suddenly get a cheap hit on the player

calamitas suffers from this the least it's just when she starts flinging herself at you feels a bit inconsistent. but if you're standing close to hive mind or cryo when they swap into those phases they kind of immediately hit you if you're standing close to them(which kind of sucks since a lot of weapons reward the player for standing close to their target)

[small timber]

there is probably no problem with that, go ahead

[sinful steeple]

might wait for another opinion by someone else

[small timber]

less cheapshot is always good as long as the transition is not awfully long imo, but ya wait for others in that case

[crude geode]

It’s probably fine to sugg that

[drowsy plank]

would be a good change

[waxen cliff]

so i dont know how to post suggestions but who else thinks the forbbiden oathsword should have the abilities of both swords it uses to craft

[drowsy plank]

had a similar problem with pbg before she got her audio cues

[drowsy plank]

if you mean forbidden oathblade, then the whole line is getting a rework, but only the first two have been finished so far (if the wiki is being accurate here), so yes, something like this is already planned

[gray nebula]

calamity developers when they dont have an infinite amount of time in their hands

[waxen cliff]

oh ok

well i didnt know it was being worked on

but i guess it makes sense if the first two swords got worked on then the rest of them would

[unborn oriole]

Calamity players when they can't get everything at once (they hate waiting)

[small timber]

@steep stream please add more reasoning other than 'it would be cool' and 'others have it therefore it should too', there are too many cases where these two reasonings can apply

there are many armor sets that dont have wings, just from what I can recall astral armor (since hadarian is post-aureus now), prismatic, omega blue, brimflame... even god slayer

[crude geode]

God slayer you can blame on no sprite

[sinful steeple]

i feel like this suggestion is just trying to bring back easy ways to break the game

[small timber]

@ionic belfry those are part of calamity's balancing so a config for them is unlikely to say the least, config usually are for things that to certain degree experimental/optional like hardmode ore rework (which is also for mod compatibility) and other toggles like adrenaline/rage bar and hp meter

[sinful steeple]

and new ones

[small timber]

the configs you mentioned will basically be just "throw balancing out of the way" as a config

[sinful steeple]

like, defence damage exists so you can't just sit in a special box and eat every single attack thrown out by bosses in a way that doesn't punish players who don't do that very much

[small timber]

especially since calamity buff defenses on items to absurd degree to account for defense damage

asgardian aegis go from like 16 defense before defense damage exist to like 28 now, and other items are buffed more

[sinful steeple]

the summoner damage nerf is so that summoner isn't the "use for free damage in addition to your actual class" class. there's definitely an argument to be made that it's a bad change but the way summoner works sacrifices have to be made in some way for summoner to not be overbearing on the meta of the mod

[small timber]

calamity also have a lot of super good 1 off summon so that will also be an issue

[cobalt pewter]

also config bloat is real

these configs will simply be bloat

[sinful steeple]

magic mirror i don't need to explain, even without nurse it's still overpowered if you're willing to abuse it

and zenith would kill most early post-ml bosses in like a minute or two

these changes all mean almost nothing if you're not gonna go out of your way to make the game as easy as possible aside from the summoner damage nerf

multiclass is pretty under-repped and summoner + melee would probably be fun otherwise but nobody wants to open that can of worms

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell some bits about the don'ts doc:

• Should the bit about not suggesting 1.4 stuff be removed now that both tmod and cal are on 1.4 already?
• Should there be an additional line regarding suggs about adding configs? maybe more of a guideline

(the master mode part is probably still relevant)

[hollow shell]

Oh yes thank you that should be removed

Wait

[hollow shell]

Where are you reading that, that's already removed

[cobalt pewter]

uhhhhh

lemme see if the app asks me to update the doc

hold on

[hollow shell]

Also @ionic belfry You need to add a reason to your suggestion
And it better be a damn good one because it is highly unlikely that we're going to make balance decisions into configs

[cobalt pewter]

hmmm, seems like my Google Docs is having a hiccup, as it keeps saying "Error retrieving additional information"

[drowsy plank]

bro what does "summon damage" even mean in this context calamity changes so many things about summoner. like ik the sugg is already flagged but it's funny how bad it is

[cobalt pewter]

I'll check back on it later

[hollow shell]

Weird. Weird.

[cobalt pewter]

if anything is commonly complained about for summoner, it's probably the summon dmg nerf when holding weapons that aren't summon or classless.

[hollow shell]

I mean whips exist now

So summoners have something to do with their hands while the summons are attacking

So the nerf is no longer that bad

[small timber]

ya when I open the doc I also dont see this too

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's likely my Docs being funny

[small timber]

weird

[cobalt pewter]

I'll go check on it later

[ionic belfry]

i added a description for my sggestion

[small timber]

defense damage is already very much beginner friendly since it is based on boss damage dealt, meaning on lower difficulty you take less defense damage overall

[sinful steeple]

if it's for beginner friendly just play an easier mode

[hollow shell]

Okay that is a reason

[small timber]

AND calamity also buffed defense to account for defense damage, so as long as you just don't like, stand still, it is almost always a buff

[sinful steeple]

like defence damage and the mirror are still anti-cheese, a beginner doesn't have to cheese to beat the bosses

there is no situation in which even a beginner will be unable to beat the bosses except for if they simply just refuse to adjust the way they play after they fail

i say this as a person who is literally not even remotely good at the game

and if someone isn't going to actually react to the boss they don't really deserve to beat it if you ask me

[grave zinc]

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[hollow shell]

the surge

[cobalt pewter]

true

[crude geode]

sugg surge

[sinful steeple]

oh hey, phase transition indicators on the boss bar would kind of solve the issue i have with hive mind, cryo and calamitas

a little less flashy but it works

[small timber]

lL edit for goblin to not break doors: BOSS STOP SPAWNING, PLAYER SPAWN WITH ZENITH AND WORLDGEN STOP WORKING

[distant gyro]

[grave zinc]

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[tight hill]

holy shit

[violet pivot]

Yooo a lot of sugfestion got the check mark tonight

[hollow shell]

A lot of suggestions have hapened in total

after 1.4 dropped

[small timber]

(and a lot of suggestions getting like 50 votes just becauses there are too many to read probably dragged down top 20% star count a lot)

since it range from like 300 to 140 this time

[inland saddle]