suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

Or how making vanilla bosses drop relics on rev+ made the game not even boot up

[cerulean condor]

but is that not what they did originally to throwing class weapons

[grim tusk]

Nope

That never happened

[cerulean condor]

oh i see now youre right actually

[grim tusk]

Before rogue existed it was throwing, but then vanilla announced that throwing was getting nuked so it was turned into its own unique class

It inherits some stuff from throwing as it was built upon it

[crude geode]

@tight hill Fishing exists you know.

[tight hill]

That didn't stop calamity from making it easier to get souls of night???

[drowsy plank]

or ichor

or cursed flames

or a lot of stuff tbh

[grim tusk]

Souls of night are easy with the altar stuff, yea QS dropping souls of light should be fine

[hardy dock]

Fishing for souls is pretty much irrelevant in every way lmao

It’s more tedious for a fraction of the reward you get for just killing enemies

[tight hill]

yes

yes yes 10000% yes

It makes it even more necessary cause it's an ocean chest item

wait is it?

[lavish condor]

I definitely found it in underground desert in Vanilla. No idea what Cal changes cuz I haven't gotten to playing it in 1.4

[tight hill]

Ok yeah it's underground desert

I do still think it deserves a recipe

Maybe incorporate it into the demon conch recipe since it's more renewable

[kindred creek]

The whole suggestion isnt to just make zenith use shadow spec bars, there are more things to it, but would that be against the rules?

[lavish condor]

Shadowspec bars are reserved for Dev Weapons iirc

[crude geode]

anything involving shadow is a don't yeah

[kindred creek]

but it kinda is z dev weapon, just a terraia dev weapon, not calamity

[tight hill]

Zenith should have more swords added to its recipe

[kindred creek]

that is what i was gonna suggest

and say to buff it's damage and add shadowspec bars

[tight hill]

But all pre-yharon ofc

[crude geode]

it really isn't though.

[tight hill]

I think it should stay as-is, but have more swords added to its recipe

[crude geode]

you would have to change the function of the weapon then

which is kinda weird

[lavish condor]

Would be cool but it would be difficult because they'd have to add those extra swords into the swing animation to be consistent, and the recipe is already fairly bloated. At that point the recipe gets ridiculous, which isn't necessarily a bad thing

[tight hill]

I mean if it's possible to add more swords to the swing animation it would only take figuring out the first

Just feels kinda dumb only having post-but-only-vanilla swords in the recipe

When it's a post-yharon weapon

[kindred creek]

i was gonna suggest to change the swords for later game post ML swords, like the terratomere

[lavish condor]

I think the issue was animating it with the swords swinging. I remember a conversation in the 1.4 port channel about how that wouldn't work

[crude geode]

@hollow shell would it be possible to add more swords to zenith?

[orchid briar]

Adding a suggestion for a buff to the Zenith would be fine if you provided proof and reason for why it needed it, but shadospec is solely for calamity dev weapons

So if you added that the suggestion would definitely fail

[tight hill]

I don't think zenith needs a buff tbh

[kindred creek]

the buff was to make it an endgame wepaon that used shadowspec bars, but i guess I won't do that

[lavish condor]

Auric's probably the closest to endgame non-dev weapons are going to get, at least until we get more bosses after SCal and Draedon

[tight hill]

It's already endgame, it's been used to kill scal

[kindred creek]

i mean dev weapon level

[crude geode]

it's not a dev weapon.

[tight hill]

yeah it's an actual weapon

It's meant to be used at its current point in progression

[crude geode]

it represents the climax of your journey and auric weapons tend to represent that as well, generally speaking

at least currently

[tight hill]

but yeah the recipe is a bunch of relatively weak swords and an item you get by the time every single sword in the recipe is entirely irrelevant

[hollow shell]

No idea.

[inner anvil]

I mean, we definetly can, but do we want to add them to Zenith's animation? Maybe not so much.

[hollow shell]

Yeah adding them to the recipe would be zero issue of course, but I assume they mean the animation

[tight hill]

Isn't the zenith like

better than the exoblade?

[hollow shell]

It's a tier below

So Zenith going into Exoblade makes sense in that way
but
not in any other way

[crude geode]

zenith-er zenith

[tight hill]

Zenith is now part of the zenith recipe

[hollow shell]

The Terra Blade issue is indeed an issue, but I don't know if this is a good solution

[night jolt]

I agree with making it Terratomere and Mourning instead of Blade and Horseman, but I don't see why it should be an Exoblade component

[fossil finch]

You have to get two terrablades wah wah who cares i don't understand how this is an issue

[tight hill]

Maybe have it be that you can craft the exoblade either way? so if you don't like the zenith you can still craft the exoblade

[fossil finch]

Terrablade is not exoblade, you do not have to gather the universal worth of everything draedon ever made of materials to get it

[tight hill]

But still have the terratomere recipe there

[night jolt]

I think its stupid that you have to make like 12 True Excaliburs in a melee playthrough

[fossil finch]

Simply remove all the true exc upgrades (what is it even used for

The only funny i remember is angelic alliance

[night jolt]

OK not "have" to, but its a way too common crafting component

[fossil finch]

But that uses normal exc i think

[tight hill]

Essentially, still have the exoblade craftable with terratomere alone, but also craftable with zenith (and maybe less other resources) if you don't like the zenith as much

[drowsy plank]

no it uses true appearntly

[fossil finch]

The zenith is not an alternative to exoblade though

[drowsy plank]

ele excal uses true

[fossil finch]

It's an upgrade, so it wouldn't exactly work "if you happen to make zenith but don't like it"

Also that is built on a weird assumption that has probably never happened

[hollow shell]

(Zenith can be used to fight Exo Mechs.
Exoblade requires Exo Mechs to be defeated in order to craft.)

Also Horseman's / Last Mourning is not nearly as big a deal considering Horseman's is a raw drop

[crude geode]

also you'll be fighting 500 horseman (thanks nightmare fuel)

[hollow shell]

mhm

Even without the refight you're bound to get more than one

during the regular Pumpkin Moon

[night jolt]

OK, I didn't even notice that one while it was in the posting phase lmao

Maybe put "suggesting to add a toggle to a quality of life feature added in Calamity" as a "Frequently Suggested Suggestion"

[hollow shell]

I was debating whether or not to exclam that

@last kayak I am late but you need to add a reason to your suggestion

(I recognize it would not be very extensive, but something would be better than "Totally worth it")

Also @quaint kernel That challenge item sugg sounds dangerously close to incentivizing no-hitting again

(reminds me as well of SCal's old old "hit counter" mechanic)

[crude geode]

There was an argument about that very thing yeah

[hollow shell]

Also @tired coral Your suggestion is very specific and.. kinda rambling
You really should cut it down to your main idea(s) and provide clear reasoning why it should be implemented

What's the purpose of adding a big big void at the bottom of the Abyss when Layer 4 is already designed to be open and empty?

((it also kinda sounds like you're asking for non-euclidian/dynamic terrain which changes depending on which direction you enter it, which may very well be completely impossible to code in Terraria))

Aaaand @timid talon That is already in the works

[frosty trellis]

Doesn't in 1.4

Hearts are still yellow

Even with all 4 used

With the more fancy style of hearts with the gold boarders around them

[fossil finch]

"That is already in the works" not "that already exists"

[frosty trellis]

OH

I misread that

Lol

[hollow shell]

m

[frosty trellis]

Mb

[hollow shell]

Also @eternal shard Magic Conch is obtained from desert chests and desert crates, at a pretty decent rate (1/7 or 1/8)
However, Demon Conch is an "Extremely Rare" fishing catch, from lava exclusively

You can stumble across Magic Conch just by casually exploring the underground desert
But Demon Conch is an RNG-fueled commitment to obtain

That's why it has a recipe

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
Doesn’t this just boil down to “QoL”

[novel belfry]

imo it is however a QoL i would love to see

[hollow shell]

(pkpseudo's suggested before so I assume this was just a slip-up)

[lavish cloak]

yeah it was

[hollow shell]

👍

A fine suggestion

And one that I agree with and have proposed ideas for in the past

[novel belfry]

perhaps make them minibosses? idunno

[lavish cloak]

i was thinking just giving them an attack besides hopping around would be plenty

[hollow shell]

We will probably execute it eventually but idk when that would happen

[novel belfry]

i think next major update seems good
you could make them act somewhat like the one slime miniboss, the Cragmaw Mire

specifically its teleporting jumps, but only if they're minibosses

or rather just give them big jumps

[quaint kernel]

my bad for taking so long to respond just checked discord rn

i mean im not thinking of it as similar to no hitting at all

i meant it as way more than something like "only 200 damage max"

i number low enough that its a challenge but high enough so that an average player can get it in 1-3 tries

[crude geode]

regardless of the intent, it comes across as you trying to "add more incentive to playing with the extra challenge", which is directly counter to why cal has made certain changes (removing rev/expert item exclusivity, removing arma and defiled, etc)

[hollow shell]

And making Terraprisma a normal EoL drop instead of daytime challenge

I do have conflicting feelings about incentivization of challenge

I was one of the people who advocated for a challenge mode as the means of obtaining exclusive items like Legendaries

[grim tusk]

Look at how that backfired

[hollow shell]

I do still feel like doing a difficult challenge to obtain something special at a 100% rate
is better game design than putting something special behind an RNG drop

But in Calamity nowadays we kinda just... don't have special drops anymore

No additional challenges nor (egregious) RNG

[fossil finch]

Aren't most legendaries scheduled for special obtainments anyways

And rivs are now just upgrades or sidegrades or completely retiered

[hollow shell]

RIVs did get integrated as normal items indeed

And yeah we do have plans for Legendaries and some other items

[polar bison]

I just want more twinklers man

[hollow shell]

Forgot this critter existed

which I suppose is also a testament to its low spawnrate

@patent shale That is a Specific Item Suggestion. Check the Don'ts Doc in the pins, such kinds of suggestions are disallowed.

(also we will be adding many Calamity whips in the future, likely in its own dedicated update)

[unborn oriole]

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me for somebody to suggest a config toggle for the entirety of calamity content and changes

[grim tusk]

On the mp pt i found a fuckton of em when the snow biome town got astralfied

[tight hill]

Calamity QoL only mode

[unborn oriole]

No, people dislike those changes too

[magic verge]

cant you quickly spread astral on your town/make town in astral and zerg it

[tight hill]

Calamity mode

[hollow shell]

That's fairly clever but definitely a kind of scuffed solution

[ruby plover]

dunno if its been mentioned, but twinklers can be found in astral crates

though thats a bit of a convoluted way to most commonly find a critter of all things

[grave zinc]

@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Uzi more accessible.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[zenith hazel]

(did not know this suggestion was a thing, but it's technically implemented since arms dealer sells uzi now)

[hollow shell]

Nice

[true inlet]

all the reading

jesus christ

[hollow shell]

(also @quaint kernel you may or may not have meant to erase the rest of your suggestion when you added that clarification on the damage threshold sugg)

Your old sugg

Your current sugg:

Add a damage taken threshold condition for bosses to drop (formerly named) challenge items

TO CLARIFY, I don't mean for it to be similar to a no-hit challenge, it shouldn't even be a particularly low number like, lets say, 100 damage max or you can't get the item. I mean this as more of just a small challenge for average players rather than a hard challenge for the really skilled players, when I mean a damage threshold I mean enough for the average player to beat it in 1-3 tries.

I'll be exclam-ing it now because you inadvertently deleted all the reasoning from it 😓

[sudden knot]

Didn't notice I was supposed to post here first before my suggestion, but I frankly find the squirrel squire staff to be useless when starting a new world. The projectile launching does not work well when exploring caves, and I find myself having to do most of the work myself when starting a summoner playthrough.

Having it be replaced by something like the finch staff, or at least have the finch staff be craftable with something like wood and a caught bird would make it much easier to get started in harder difficulties

You can craft bug nets very easily early game, so it'd make for a very useful pre-sand scourge weapon

[crude geode]

Didn't notice I was supposed to post here first
eh you don't really have to

it's a extremely old holdover from when #suggestions-posting didn't exist

[sudden knot]

Ah, I see

I'll post a follow-up with the alternative suggestion, I suppose

or edit

alright, both are up. Hope it isn't too much spam.

[hollow shell]

As long as you keep it to 2 per day, it's all good

Also @gusty burrow, obvious counterargument is "But what about evil hybrid biomes?"

[gusty burrow]

what

npcs cant live in evil biomes

they can live in the astral biome

[hollow shell]

Yeah
You could include a bit in your suggestion about how the Astral does not prevent NPC housing, making it more similar to the Hallow than the Evil biomes

[gusty burrow]

aight

[hollow shell]

Nice 👍 That's good

[gusty burrow]

it’s based on a true story. my desert pylon don’t work anymore cuz of astral

[hollow shell]

Damn

[timid talon]

oh, didn't know that

[gusty burrow]

what was your suggestion

[timid talon]

making visual changes to the 2 new health and mana styles when consuming the permanent health and mana upgrades that are added by the calamity mod

[gusty burrow]

oh that’s not added yet?

[timid talon]

nope

[gusty burrow]

i don’t use those hp bars anyways because it doesn’t tell me my exact hp

[timid talon]

that's true, but some people still prefer the fancy or bar health and mana styles over the classic

[gusty burrow]

yeah

[fringe notch]

Calamity Mod Unbalancing Vanilla

Due to calamity's large variety of powerful weapons, any vanilla boss is made almost worthlessly easy, weapons? Pointless, no reason to get vanilla weapons when they get out powered! As such Calamity should add a config toggle that removes everything in calamity so that it cant make ruin the vanilla experience.

[sudden knot]

vanilla bosses are much harder in revengeance/death mode

and have AI changes

some vanilla weapons are still useful

it'd be physically impossbile to do any bosses past dragonfolly without calamity weapons

[tardy smelt]

(already proven wrong by technicality, but it would be impractical in most cases yeah)

[hollow shell]

it was a

it was a joke in fact

[sudden knot]

im so used to those being genuine

[golden tulip]

parry subclass

🤨

[hollow shell]

I suppose this is a valid suggestion

s'not huge in scope, it's just "add more than there currently are"

[golden tulip]

yea

but the whole parry subclass part is a bit excessive imo :hdflr:

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah, missed that one line
"And maybe you can do an entire melee subclass for parry weapons. "

@lyric depot Good suggestion overall, but maybe remove that one line ^ so the scope isn't too large

[golden tulip]

yea
for the rest, parrying is pretty cool, good sugg

[lyric depot]

Sure thing

Hope you introduce more parry weapons

[fringe notch]

You should check what I was replying to, my joke might make a little more sense

[cobalt pewter]

I think it'd be good if starter bag includes both finch and sqrl

but idk

[hollow shell]

That'd probably be excessive considering how easy Squirrel Squire is to made ccurrently

[fringe notch]

huh, so why is the squirel squire staff even in the starter bag if its so easy... i wonder...

[hollow shell]

I think it's the other way around

Squirrel Squire has such an easy recipe because it's already in the starter bag

[fringe notch]

ah, i suppose that'd make sense, and then the recipe is a just in case you accidentally lost it

[hollow shell]

ye

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message I would actually rather not do this as I like intentionally wasting my dodge(s) before a fight so that the cooldown wears off when I actually need it most, later on in the fight

[hollow shell]

Peculiar strategy but makes sense I guess

Even if that sugg got implemented you could still like

Quickly summon EoC, expend dodge, then melt it

[hollow shell]

We've been getting quite a few suggestions for this eh?

[small timber]

it is inevitable until devs take a stand if this config should exist or not

[inner anvil]

:desolate:

[small timber]

(though as like discussed a long time ago, it do be weird that it is the only large scale vanilla change that don't have config, even small things like frozen water drown/slow have config)

[hollow shell]

I personally think it should have a config yes

That's kind of a shit counterargument because you could apply that to literally all the configs

(And clearly some people do look for this change in the configs as evidenced by the suggestions requesting us to add it to the configs)

[frail mantle]

i think there should be a config for it, at least for consistency's sake

[dapper tendon]

How does the bot choose suggestions

[inner anvil]

Check pins.

[hollow shell]

The suggestions with the top 20% star ratings get sent to the devs, in week-long batches

[dapper tendon]

Ok

[frozen hornet]

22 suggs in voting got damn

[tardy smelt]

average post-major update #suggestions-posting moment

[inland saddle]

This bot is going to be shredded after all the heavy lifting it’s about to do

[drowsy plank]

im starting to think this one should be added to the commonly asked donts if it keeps failing in voting or something

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message

Three past attempts

None successful

(unfortunately)

[tardy smelt]

Suggestions Bot Workout of the Day

[gray nebula]

ngl what do peopl e expect with a parry

in terrari

game has barely a proper definition for an "attack"

parrying the skeletron hand just hovering into you because it was moving

[ripe owl]

Recent approved sugg
Yro'ue*

[gray nebula]

if this game was coded better for it cooler parries would be possible but unfortunately not

[small timber]

(I wonder how many of these suggestion think parry includes the ark buff after parry or they only want the defensive maneuver of parrying itself)

[gray nebula]

so called "free thinkers when acidwood wall

[spare tulip]

hu?

[eternal escarp]

people should go ahead and sprite it instead of suggesting it iirc

thats how acidwood furniture even got in iirc

[spare tulip]

oh

damn

[drowsy plank]

this is the third time people have suggested acidwood wall, and it literally got in the first time

[spare tulip]

my bad then

[drowsy plank]

dw about it, just remember that checking the logs and such with a quick search is a common courtesy the pins ask you to do before submitting a suggestion

helps avoid stuff like this

[spare tulip]

riiiight i always forget about the discord search function

it is a really useful feature to be fair

[polar bison]

I've found palm wood fences work really well

[small timber]

@ashen warren a same suggestion just get posted yesterday

[ashen warren]

oh

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren here's the link;
#suggestions-voting message

reposting suggs is fine but if you could delete your's i think it'd be a good idea to at least see how this one fairs before posting it again

[small timber]

(tbh reposting suggestion when it is 1 day apart, or for some region still within 24 hours is abit pointless)

so ya, probably just delete the one in posting and vote for the one in voting, since it is exactly the same anyway

[ashen warren]

didnt know it was already suggested so

ill delete it

[hollow shell]

I can go either way about this sugg

I kinda like that the deeper layers of the abyss
don't have
a lot of natural light sources, yknow

[magic verge]

well, it can be faint

right now, they are practically invisible

and your best bet is just mine the walls at random

plus, yknow, its in the name

[small timber]

3 suggestions again

[magic verge]

whats the third one

[small timber]

but ya I think a slight glow will make it look much more lively, just a slight glow

your newest one is 3rd

[magic verge]

well whats the second then

[small timber]

coral shield, draedon arsenal damage falloff, abyss

[hollow shell]

Ah yep true

Alright hold off on this Lumenyl suggestion until later

[magic verge]

oh, i thought that was on voting already

ah no that is the bloody tear one

well, it should be in posting in a few hours

ill hold off

[small timber]

ya around less than 2

[magic verge]

can i just not remove it if im going to post it in 2 hours or i need to go trough the hole regardless

[hollow shell]

The rule does exist for a reason

We don't need the channels any more flooded than they need to be

[magic verge]

sure

also i just found out that lumenyl actually glows but you only see it when its not underwater

[fossil finch]

This uh

Doesn't happen in 1.3

[small timber]

does revengeance even make destroyer bigger?

[zinc thunder]

yes

its hilarious but doesn't make the fight harder

[small timber]

ya weird change since I don't think changelog mentioned it, it was previously death mode only (though in that case it is so massively large it block half your screen which do make the fight harder)

I think the intention is so destroyer block off more of the screen and hit you with head easier, though I am unsure if it do make it easier to see if his speed is the same, easier to hit I can see

since it is not exactly like you can't see thin destroyer

rev do increase size, test it just now

just like, a small increase, not the death mode super large worm; in rev it is only slightly thicker

[zinc thunder]

so there is something strange with mine because mine is just immense

[small timber]

I can post a pic, sec

for rev vs death

[zinc thunder]

no

[small timber]

rev

death

[zinc thunder]

the lights are bigger

[small timber]

death is way bigger, like almost 2 times as thick

[zinc thunder]

yes

[small timber]

rev is still a slight increase

[zinc thunder]

oh it must be because i'm on master

[small timber]

master dont change anything, I dont think so

since my pic was taken from expert world

also back to the suggestion, I dont really think the thicker destroyer makes it easier, the most I can see is it is easier to hit

since not only does it block in your way more but also the head is bigger, which is by far its deadliest attack

[zinc thunder]

when it wasn't giving their random dashes i could see him coming much more easiet than normally and dodge but i see your point

[fossil finch]

.

(It does light up in 1.3

(It's a bug or something

also the images are kinda silly

A new banned link for the list huh

[unborn oriole]

Dude please activate your windows

[small timber]

Activating window is overrated just be satisfied with 0 customization

I forgot ss take in activate window since I didnt use the ingame camera mode

[drowsy plank]

that's not the right formatting for a suggestion

[safe lava]

ah my b

[drowsy plank]

i mean
it technically is so it wont get flagged but

you're supposed to have a title summarizing the suggestion, and then the reason why the suggestion would be a good idea

[safe lava]

whats the right formatting? so sorry i havent posted a suggestion in literal years

oh ok ty

[drowsy plank]

people typically bold the title, and put a line break between it and the body paragraph

[safe lava]

can i post it here rq to see if i did it right and then delete it

cuz im waiting for the cooldown

[drowsy plank]

sure

[safe lava]

that look good?

oh why it should be added right

[drowsy plank]

okay that is still not a great idea, if you want to make a suggestion about Roar of the Jungle Dragon not having much of an impact, maybe focus on why it doesn't, like, visually, and maybe some suggestions on how to make the attacks more impactful

but they're not bringing back regeneration

[inner anvil]

A good reasoning, on how could this affects positively, and try to be as objective as possible.

[safe lava]

why is that?

[drowsy plank]

i mean they got rid of regeneration for a reason, they want the HP bars to actually be indicative of how much of the fight is left

[safe lava]

ah

that makes sense

i still thought the regen was like 10x cooler

[drowsy plank]

if you think the song doesnt have much of an impact cause that fight doesnt change enough focus on how you'd make the fight look more impactful or how to make the attacks more impactful, rather than that. regardless yharon is getting a rework soon so im not sure how likely it is that someone else doesnt come along and flag it, or how unlikely it would even be the pass voting in the first place

[inner anvil]

Soon™️.

[drowsy plank]

ik ik, but you get my point

whenever the hell his sprite is getting updated they might make some small changes i think or something like that

[inner anvil]

I mean, I'm a Beta Tester and I never heard of that lmao.

[safe lava]

im defo feeling that yharon's boutta get hit by the rework machine

hes like the most outdated endgame boss

[drowsy plank]

rework probably wasn't the right word then lmao

[inner anvil]

We'll probably do some things here and there.

We'll see with time.

[small timber]

I mean didnt yharon just recently got slightly rework?

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

[safe lava]

cleaned up the fight but removed a lot of the spectacle

he has like, 1 new attack in phase 2 now

[inner anvil]

He has the sun attack and some, if not all, of his bullethells got changed.

[safe lava]

yea the bullethells were made much cleaner

the sun attack looks really weird

[inner anvil]

No, the fire vortex isnt' supposed to be a placeholder.

[small timber]

In that case isnt your main concern the visual aspect of yharon not the mechanical aspect?

[inner anvil]

It's a replacement to the spin attack, which was a bruh moment, to put it simply.

[safe lava]

its kinda both. From what ive seen the fight after the update looks fairly repetitive, since afaik he lost his invis charges and a few other attacks hed do in phase 2

[inner anvil]

The Invisible charges were gone because people were bitching about it being a "Duke Fishron copy", so this is what people wanted, sadly.

[small timber]

The old yharon was too similar to duke fishron to a degree that I cant say I like it, new yharon stand up more on his own

And I dont remeber yharon losing s fee attack for phase 2, in fact he gain a lot compare to phase 1

[safe lava]

i mean the fight is just endgame duke fishron, always has been

[safe lava]

i mean the update removed some of his phase 2 stuff, im mainly thinking of the invis charge

[small timber]

The thing is now it is not, it is not even close

Yharon still has tp charge, just he dont have duke p3 chain charge

[inner anvil]

Well, that's what the community failed to understand.

[safe lava]

yeah one fights like a little bitch and the other is yharon

[small timber]

The only similarity between yharon and duke now is really only infernado and how it is spawned, even the charge is in drastically different pattern

[safe lava]

gonna summarize my idea before typing it all out: phase transition later in the fight, make yharon more agressive in phase 2, have something better to denote the transition (like an actual roar from Yharon or smthn)

cuz i feel like the awkward 55% invul transition is just kinda... there

[small timber]

It is no longer invul too

[safe lava]

oh even better lmao

oh my GOD I HAD IT TYPED ALL OUT AND ACCIDENTALLY DELETED IT

kill me

[small timber]

How recently had you played the mod, since a few things changes about yharon

[safe lava]

uh, couple months ago

[small timber]

The old very similar to duke yharon is like, at least 1 (maybe 2) yearsbefore now

[safe lava]

just after draedon came out

ik he had the pillars instead of infernadoes

me, who actively refuses to fight either duke and has only seen fights, is not the best reference tjere

[small timber]

Have you fight the most recent version of yharon? As in v2.0, since he is very aggressive in p2, made even more aggressive with the recent change

[safe lava]

not yet

i havent gotten past prehm yet

i play p slow through prehm cuz i find it boring af

compared to hardmode

[small timber]

Then I think probably best to hold off the suggestion until you fight it in the pt, since 2.0 changed a few things about him that the suggestion might built on outdated information

[safe lava]

fair

[small timber]

(though I definitely do agree the transition can be made better, just ya the 'made more aggressive' part will need verification)

[golden tulip]

@olive thistle modded music is bugged rn, tml issue

[olive thistle]

oh ok, I wondered, bc I already had the same issues with the Extra Music in 1.3

but generally speaking, I think a sound bar would be pretty nice

[golden tulip]

idk about any issues in 1.3 but i do know that the tmod team is aware of modded music being bugfed

[golden tulip]

i mean you wanna have a seperate soundbar for modded music/sfx?? thats kinda weird

why

[olive thistle]

Calamity Mod Extra Music was louder than the rest of the OST in comparison. The rest was still fine, but fights against EoC etc had way more volume

[golden tulip]

but thats another mod

those arent the same devs

[frail mantle]

CEM does tend to be louder than everything else

(also CEM is discontinued)

(unless someone other than the original creator ported the mod)

[olive thistle]

yep, I know. But I thought if there might be different issues for different people in terms of volume, a volume bar in the mod configs could universally solve things. I used extra music as a different example there

[golden tulip]

adding a seperate bar for modded music is probably a tml thing

[olive thistle]

I guess so, but it was worth the suggestion I guess

[ashen warren]

I once heard that 1.4 generally lowered the volume of the game, and that Calamity would up their volume to compensate

[quaint kernel]

@lyric depot bit late but i feel like it would be easier for them to make some kind of accessory that gives a weaker parry to most melee weapons rather than making tons of new weapons

[lyric depot]

That could be easier, but I’d want certain weapons to have other unique parry attacks than one unique attack. But if it would to be different parrys of certain weapons, then I could work with that

[frosty trellis]

Yeah, making prof guardians invulnerable when it's not their phase would be quite helpful

[dense ferry]

Couldn't they just give target priority when those are alive or something?

Byeah, making them invulnerable would be really fucky

[crude geode]

@torpid wharf why

@spare tulip already planned

[drowsy plank]

how would it be fucky, it's currently more fucky to be able to kill them in the wrong order and damage the others when it isnt their phase, what even is target priority and how would it help? the other two would still be two giant hunks of stone blocking your attacks

[dense ferry]

Why do you have to kill them in the right order?

Calamity offers enough freedom for you to be able to decide how the fight goes on

That would strip it off from the fight

[tight hill]

yeah why do we need golden stars?????

[drowsy plank]

i mean you still need to kill the worms before perf, it's not unprescedented

[tight hill]

It's not like the selling is even helpful since literally everything gives you platinum with clamity

[dense ferry]

Pretty sure that's a SIS

@hollow shell what do you think?

[tight hill]

Although...

Maybe a hardmode upgraded star for ammo?

[dense ferry]

What does Perf have to do with Guardians?

[tight hill]

not golden but like crafted

[drowsy plank]

killing bosses in order; right now the commander is just unimaginably tanky, like dungeon guardian or such, unless you kill the other two first, just look at the wiki, it might as well be immune so it stops taking summon aggro or homing projectiles when you cant even really hurt it anyway

you go healer, defender, commander, cause otherwise it's just going to heal it all off or be effectively immune

[frosty trellis]

You can kill the commander before the defender, but it's very difficult and not worthwhile

You are forced to kill the healer before the other two. You can't out damage the heals at that stage in the game

[crude geode]

“I don’t like this suggestion, therefore something about it is invalid”

@quaint kernel You really don’t get that Cal doesn’t want to reward players for playing on higher difficulty huh

[quaint kernel]

its not rewarding them for that

[drowsy plank]

devs have literally gone on record saying they will not touch master mode

[quaint kernel]

its to compensate for the lack of reward

its not changing anything about master mode either

its changing something about the mod

[drowsy plank]

also yes it's literally one of the do not suggestions that they cannot add any more accessory slots

you're asking them to balance around master mode, they will not

[quaint kernel]

i changed it but i still think they should give it some sort of effect

to make it not useless

but i dont really see it as them balancing around master mode

its literally just a small change

[fossil finch]

keep the item useless in master as a reminder you should not be playing master

Sick game design

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[drowsy plank]

it is literally that. a balance change of an item. for master mode. how the fuck is it not a balance change for master mode when it literally involves rebalancing an item specifically for master mode

[dense ferry]

I'm talking about the Golden Star stuff

[crude geode]

ahh gotcha

[ruby plover]

latest suggestion be looking a bit....

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[distant gyro]

clearly the 41 hours i have do not count

[ruby plover]

@cunning pine, you need proper reasoning and formatting for your suggestion to be valid, read the document that is in this channel's pins

[distant gyro]

or anyone else's

[spark pulsar]

If devs tested their mod we would have more demon scary worm magic smh my head

[ruby plover]

*finds a bug*
damn they really didn't test the mod, huh

[distant gyro]

or even the dog patrons

[ruby plover]

anyhoo, that suggestion is gonna get yeeted im assuming

there is no substance to it, and it's

[hollow shell]

@gritty flume Well that's awfully passive-aggressive

[gritty flume]

its just a suggestion

[hollow shell]

The 1.4 porting process required fixing literally thousands of errors before we released it to the public

[hollow idol]

a few were bound to slip through the cracks

[hollow shell]

It could have been far far worse

[hollow idol]

all calamity summons dealing no damage!

[hollow shell]

Also @torpid wharf You need to add a reason to your suggestion

Why should Calamity implement that

[ruby plover]

and thus you can say anything you want

[spark pulsar]

Whips are already planned for a future update @north stone

[north stone]

good

[sudden knot]

my 1.4 summoner playthrough has been so much more fun compared to 1.3 thanks to whips, so i agree with the reasoning

[gaunt tiger]

some great suggestions lately

[ruby plover]

so many suggestions lately

[crude geode]

what do you expect with a major update

[ruby plover]

well yeah, of course it's expected

it is kinda cool to see more ideas, though of course there are inevitably more bad ideas

[fossil finch]

at merkalto

[hollow shell]

I feel bad having to tell people off for making suggestions like these

cuz they clearly give a shit

They just don't know that it's not allowed

[golden tulip]

oh my god

i cant even ping the dude

what is that name

@dire mural
good sugg but unfortunately dismissed at least 200x by now

(its not original

[dire mural]

darn

[gray nebula]

FAKE zenith

[hollow shell]

Well it's also the incorrect formatting with the preface, and the specificity

And potentially future content too

[golden tulip]

its hitting all the marks!

[dire mural]

apologies

[golden tulip]

nbd

[dire mural]

may i know why its dismissed

[golden tulip]

the idea itself?

[dire mural]

yeah

[golden tulip]

you were talking about another final boss, presumably you meant yharim, which is future content. future content suggs arent allowed

additionally, zenith sugg. nothing is happening to or with the zenith from this point

have you seen the pinned doc?

[hollow shell]

byeah the main thing was the implication of being implemented in the future

[dire mural]

ill be honest i dont read pins outside of rule channels

[dire mural]

ah, gotcha

[golden tulip]

i recommend you read it

[dire mural]

gotcha

might be something to add to rules

im sure im not the only one who isnt used to checking pins for that kinda stuff

[golden tulip]

you arent the first one here, no

[hollow shell]

It is in the rules but weirdly it's like shoved in the middle of em

I would expect it to be at the top or bottom personally

[golden tulip]

lets be real

who actually reads the rules

[hollow shell]

:(

[dire mural]

i do 😦

i mustve missed it

oh well, thanks for the stuff, reading now

okay read it all

[golden tulip]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800781171138494546/845617231185444884/image0.gif

[dire mural]

I agree with the voting for blight slimes getting something interesting

@hollow shell the funniest thing is that I was told to put it in suggestion by a dev

[hollow shell]

Things do happen like that sometimes

[dire mural]

Yeah it’s okay I was just

[sand ermine]

@knotty valley wrong format

also no reasoning

[golden tulip]

also tml bug, not calamity

[fringe notch]

th- thats putting it very lightly

[golden tulip]

am i wrong

[fringe notch]

no, but...
Its just-
y'know, barely anyone...

[tardy smelt]

its no secret that no one that uses the suggestions channels for the first time seems to be able to actually read the rules for it

[hollow shell]

@knotty valley There is already a suggestion in posting asking for this exact thing

(Also the volume discrepancy is caused by a tModLoader error that will hopefully be fixed on their end eventually)

[eternal escarp]

yea

[knotty valley]

my bad then

I did not know

[eternal escarp]

it happens

[cunning pine]

Thank didnt know

[spark pulsar]

What is this even supposed to mean

[swift sinew]

Question, with the 1.4 update, did they remove whips on calamity and instead replace them with the other summon tag weapons?

Or has only the port to 1.4 been made and won’t have any additional changes?

[fringe notch]

Also read
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlczWBOkgfc5i2Owep_gLSjAg9gEYiw-nTlUaSw2XuM/edit?usp=sharing

[hollow shell]

Calamity did not remove any vanilla whips, indeed

We have not added our own whips yet but we will be doing so in an update, along with pylons and achievements and such

[keen zealot]

you did kind of remove basically all of their functionality though...

not a single whip actually imparts any tag damage effect whatsoever

[small timber]

if that is the case it is more likely because of bugs not because of nerfs

because currenty I do hear some summon weapon is critting without whips or anything right now

[inner anvil]

That's a bug.

[gaunt tiger]

it's a very tragic bug, but they couldn't squash them all

[crude geode]

Should have delayed the update for 5 more months

[cobalt pewter]

make it a feature

[tawny garden]

mf sounds like trump

[ashen warren]

💀

[tight hill]

Fuck you! Make destroyer bigger!

destroyer is now the size of the fucking abyss

[tawny garden]

political

[tight hill]

also apparently my suggestion was good

[tawny garden]

yay

[tight hill]

Which if it gets implemented before this playthrough ends i'll never have to grind for souls again

[small timber]

I think the plan WAS to put it into bestiary, my assumption is still work in progress

probably finding ways to not make the bestiary entry an essay

[polar oar]

well, good in that case

[fossil finch]

You'd probably put them as new ui section below stats

[tight hill]

Would it make sense to have some type of post AS acid water protection?

Like the effigy of decay but as an accessory

[gaunt tiger]

there;s a potion for it I guess

[tight hill]

Yeah but that only reduces the damage

[swift wharf]

Is it really needed after AS tho?

[gaunt tiger]

if a suggestion doesn't pass, does it get yeeted or does it stay in the channel

[swift wharf]

It stays in voting

[gaunt tiger]

bless

@tight hill the abyssal diving suit post ML gives you immunity

the final final upgrade

[swift wharf]

By that point you have enough gear for the DoT to not matter anymore

Also that lmao

[tight hill]

jesus post ml

[swift wharf]

And you visit the sulfur sea again after cal/plant

And you have even better gear

[gaunt tiger]

you don't need it until after polterghast when you need to kill the rares down there

[swift wharf]

So the water doesn't really matter after that

[tight hill]

Maybe like an upgraded potion with dungeon materials?

[swift wharf]

But why

[gaunt tiger]

I've never felt the need tbh

[tight hill]

Since that's about when you'll be returning to the sulfur sea anyway

[swift wharf]

You can go down there and like

[gaunt tiger]

you can live down there for ages

[swift wharf]

press H

And you can craft more effigies

[north stone]

what does the clamp reaction for a suggestion mean

[scarlet smelt]

not enough info

[frail mantle]

means there's some kind of formatting issue

[north stone]

I think skeletron should be unable to deal contact damage for a few frames after spawning because he spawns right on top of you which makes not taking damage from him spawning nearly impossible

[grim tusk]

Bad formatting

[dapper forge]

yo

[quaint kernel]

bro... chill

[ashen warren]

#suggestions-posting message insert some funny joke regarding the format error

anyways gimme some feedback on the whole Goozma thing

[swift wharf]

goozma is gone

it's no longer part of the lore

[ashen warren]

well yes, i know that

...did you read the suggestion, though?

[swift wharf]

I did

But why mention it in the first place

[ashen warren]

what, the name Goozma?

its just a name that people might be familiar with, so that's why I put it in there

[mystic shell]

That was part of another mod xd

[swift wharf]

Goozma was added by a mod, yes, but it's originally from cal

[mystic shell]

They really have nothing in common

[ashen warren]

yeah ik about emphatic, but Goozma was planned to appear in the actual mod at some point

[mystic shell]

Planned

[swift wharf]

Not anymore

[ashen warren]

but they scrapped the idea and made it into noxus

kinda

[swift sinew]

Can I repost a suggestion if it didn’t get enough votes?

[mystic shell]

No

[swift sinew]

Not even if it’s been 3 months

[ashen warren]

I mean you could. no guarantees that'll end well, though

[mystic shell]

Maybe idk

[frail mantle]

iirc yes

although if you've tried, like, three times before and it hasn't gone though any of them then i don't think there's a point in trying again

[mystic shell]

I hope my suggestio

Is good

[night jolt]

Calamity at one point had the leader of Team Skull?

[swift wharf]

what

what's team skull

[mystic shell]

dont tell him he's missing out

[night jolt]

Imagine not being based and not knowing who Guzma is, couldn't be me

[mystic shell]

Bro its pokemon sun and moon 💀 but offtopic

oh not sun and moon but whatever

[swift sinew]

Yeah no only do it once will post again soon

[fossil finch]

people will cope and mald and seethe so much about slime god semantics

@echo furnace also while your sugg is fine the first part of the sugg is wrong, because bosses are tested whitout them and designed without rod or nr on mind

[frosty trellis]

@floral wedge May I remind you that there are many forms of progression skipping in Calamity? Temple key recipe, lunatic cultist summoning item from a drop, being able to fight AS and Anahita phm, etc.

Progression skip removals/nerfs are a no

[swift wharf]

I think they mean that the sword is slightly broken rn

[ashen warren]

💀

Personally I like it

It also falls off past skeletron

But it’s a massive skip until then

[frail mantle]

hell shit is kinda supposed to be post evil bosses i think

[ashen warren]

Maybe make it only droppable after?

[frail mantle]

but like with a weapon that just drops from a common hell enemy there's not much actually making it post evil bosses

[ashen warren]

I don’t think a nerf is necessary, if anything is gunna happen to it, buff it’s dmg and make it post hard mode

Bc the weapon is so much fun to use

[frail mantle]

balance isn't a major concern at the moment and most of the devs are currently taking a break since they're out of porting hell now

but it'll likely be looked more into eventually

[ashen warren]

alr it’s fine

Please if ur gunna nerf it don’t nerf the mobility or iframes tho it’s so much fun just to fly around

[night jolt]

Making the guardians invulnerable if its not their phase is dumb

If you do that, why is even there a healer then?

[echo furnace]

thanks for the reply! /gen

[grave zinc]

@timid flower - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add A Brief Explanation Of The Early Hardmode Rework To The Pwnhammer's description]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[timid flower]

snazzy

[swift wharf]

good suggestion

[timid flower]

thanks

[soft quest]

About that suggestion about the lumenyll crystals glowing, I didn’t even know there were crystals that you could mine that drop lumenyll because they blend in way to much

Like when was that added

[fossil finch]

With Abyss

(So like in 1.3

(Calamity

[gaunt tiger]

melee weapon is op: tier skipping is great and fine
summon weapon is op: this cannot be, this must be rectified, unholy and bad

#justiceforbladestaff

[frail mantle]

blade staff was murdered by tmod, not calamity

[gaunt tiger]

blade staff got buffed by calamity 😛
and it should stay that way lol

[night jolt]

I don't recall whips being a percentage based boost being something that TML did

[frail mantle]

no but armor penetration actually working properly is something tML did

[crude geode]

congrats on trial mod btw

[frail mantle]

[crude geode]

[keen zealot]

to pretend that fixing the AP bug was a more substantial nerf to blade staff than removing flat whip tag entirely is nothing short of sacrilege

the AP bug only came into effect when using some kinds of additional AP on top of the blade's own, eg. with ichor or betsy's wrath, on very specific sets of enemies that had more than 0 but less than 25 defense, and with ichor its maximum benefit was 8 damage per hit, about equivalent to a single whip on that tier

meanwhile the removal of flat tag damage and whip stacking takes away over 70% of blade's potential damage

[gaunt tiger]

and yet it's still broke op

and let's keep it that way please

[swift wharf]

A weapon relying on a whip to work is hella cringe

It's a support tool after all

[keen zealot]

"a support weapon supporting another weapon is hella cringe"

[swift wharf]

...

[keen zealot]

that's kind of the point of synergy my guy

[swift wharf]

If a weapon is only good

If it needs another one

Something is wrong

[keen zealot]

blade staff is already decent without whips

[swift wharf]

I know it is

[keen zealot]

it just can't do insane dps rivalling the highest tier weapons without whips

[swift wharf]

But before, it was straight up wrong

Because of whip stacking and stuff

[keen zealot]

stacking more than three whips is absurdly hard and actively detrimental in most cases

considering that weapon switching is really dumb and broken (in a bad way) in terraria, even stacking two whips is a struggle with conventional methods

[swift wharf]

Yeah but I mean in blade staff's case

[keen zealot]

blade staff's case is only exceptional because it benefits more from the extra one or two whips than most other weapons

the best stackers I know still stop at three whips because there's no benefit to going any further for the extra challenge that it adds

most people I know can't even manage three on a good day, two being inconsistent enough already

and the technique that allows the best of the best to stack so well costs them mobility

whip stacking did not need to be removed because it's so difficult to pull off that it's almost not a consideration in balance anyways

there are a few of us that can take blade staff to S+ tier levels but it's not remotely reliable enough to be actually overpowered

so it falls into the category of skill-based weapons much like a few others that calamity has previously accepted as fine, or even buffed anyways

[magic ether]

they should add more whips 🙂

[keen zealot]

meanwhile there are other absurdist weapons on the same tier or before like fractured ark that easily and consistently kill bosses at this tier in under a minute with relatively tanky builds and it's totally fine

[crude geode]

balance nerds when everything isn’t immediately balanced in the middle of the most massive port in cal’s history

[keen zealot]

fractured ark has continued to be ridiculously unbalanced since before the porting process actually started in earnest

in fact it's waaaay stronger than old ark of the ancients was for its tier

all I'm saying is that if you want to fix problems, you should focus on the biggest problems first

you can nerf blade staff and whips and whip stacking all you want if it turns out to be SSS tier in the mod

but that just hasn't been the case yet, and until that happens I will continue to call it all a mistake

[gaunt tiger]

summoner just needs a defensive boost and it'll bring it in line with the other classes

but yeah the devs balance it as if not having to aim means it can be shite

[keen zealot]

if blade staff worked as it did in vanilla then it wouldn't need a defensive boost

because the optimal build is actually hallowed armour with warding

[ruby plover]

kinda wanna gauge feedback on this idea before posting, but my idea is for debuffs to leave the player on 1 hp instead of killing them during a boss fight

it doesnt feel unfair per se when it happens, but its kinda wacky when you die to a boss... but not to the boss or any attack, directly

[sand ermine]

I need this in my life

especially for bosses like the Exo Mechs and DoG

[hollow shell]

That'd kinda go against our attempts to make debuffs matter more
and, adding more debuff immunities to accs and such

[small timber]

I think for most boss now you can acquire debuff immunity before fighting them?

The only exception is DoG because of god slayer inferno (I dont remember if whispering death have immunity or not)

[small timber]

I think fractured ark was allowed to be that strong because it is post slime god, the only one you can use it on is WoF and HM bosses, so unless it is way too overpowered for WoF (even then it is harder to use than average weapon) it dont have to be nerf much

[frosty trellis]

With the exception of the providence fire if you get too far away from her, but otherwise yes, would 100% agree

[wild bolt]

opinions on a potion pouch to clear inventory clutter a bit?

[frosty trellis]

And against stuff like prov, exos, guardians, dog, etc., it's very easy to get clipped regardless

[small timber]

I think the only one I feel maybe abit unfair is dynamo stem cell, since it has a ranger accessory that provide such an important debuff immunity against yharon

[hollow shell]

I'd argue that one, in its current state at least, definitely should leave you at 1 HP

[small timber]

Vanilla did added void bag so should help a lot

[hollow shell]

Can you use potions from the void bag

[small timber]

(and auto trash if you really want to solve it)

Oh sorry I misunderstood

[frosty trellis]

Haven't played 1.4 yet, so wouldn't know for sure, but I don't think so, since I like the idea of being punished if you get to far away from her

Makes the fight more like profaned guardians, since you need to stay close to them in the first place, which in turn, makes sense why you need to kill the guardians first, as they give you a slight form of foreshadowing for how Providence will work

[crude geode]

The fight pushes you to stay near her anyways since most of her projectiles speed up over time

[small timber]

(I do think that rather than nerfing the debuff the more direct way will just be making the new range telegraph though)

[frosty trellis]

Oh yeah

Some sort of visual indicator to know when you are getting out of range would be nice

I've gotten a lot better at estimating it and knowing when I get too far away sooner, but it's anything but perfect

[small timber]

Does amidias sell blood work into postML directly? Since I do know he sell truffle worm in HM now

@kindred creek amidias npc sells truffle worm after entering hardmode/WoF is down now, while there is still gold cost but probably should acknowledge it in the suggestion

[keen zealot]

I killed Wof in less than 40s with it, and I was running all warding

it seems too strong to be left alive imo

[hollow shell]

We do have plans to do that at some point

[fossil finch]

Op weapons are less of a problem that up weapons

Also like if your argument is that there's some sort of bias then lol

i just realized i didn't reply to anything

[fossil finch]

(Was about all of this)

[kindred creek]

Thanks, I’ll make the change

[small timber]

@echo furnace definitely should remove the part about calamity bosses relying on teleportation to dodge, to my knowledge none of them does (except malice/ftw because it is malice/ftw), on death mode and below it ie not the case

Even the seemingly most absurd case of manual dodging like ohio beam from exo twins can be dodged through planning and proper positioning. ROD is pretty much a panic button option when the player made a mistake

(that said I do think having RoD be 10 sec is good enough though, NR 20 seconds is somewhat justified because it is even more of an all purpose instant panic button)

[fossil finch]

I already told them that

[small timber]

(sorry too many messages above)

[frosty trellis]

Only boss I really use RoD on is DoG, but even then I forget I have it 99% of the time and just ram dash away

Exo Twins can just be drews wings and fly like fucking hell

[echo furnace]

i changed it. anything else i should add/remove/change?

[small timber]

Other than that it is fine I think

[echo furnace]

i edited the message, would you mind reading it again?

[small timber]

Ya that seems good

[echo furnace]

okay cool

thanks for your input

[novel belfry]

Make the Aero Stone increase fall damage resistance

It's a wind-empowered stone that grants some of its energy to boost your mobility.

i feel like i dont have enough justification for the above sugg, what can I add?

[small timber]

It provides similar stat and function to frog leg maybe, since for frog leg it do increase fall resistance

(and is post DS rather than preboss, while somehow weaker)

[novel belfry]

yeah

better?

[small timber]

Ya looks good, I dont think it need much more justification

[novel belfry]

its just weirdly worded to me tbh

[small timber]

(the boss health and damage creep is like, not really a reason but I think the suggestion should be fine)

[swift wharf]

also

🎣

[small timber]

The suggestion is not about renewability/acquire ore so probably dont have to specifically mention that

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

(I will be honest mining will still leave weird size of balls in the path regardless if it is auric or normal ore)

[hollow shell]

I personally really like the huge Auric Ore veins

cuz it's
different, from all the other ores

Makes Auric feel special

[crude geode]

Comparing health and damage creep to ore vein size????

[novel belfry]

giant auric ore "veins" are fine, but reducing the amount required for making a bar is a good idea

[frosty trellis]

I get all the auric bars I need in a run in less than 10 minutes, so I don't see the problem

In literally every playthough I do

[small timber]

Ya the giant ore vein also makes it much more satisfying to mine rather than like, have small balls of 10-20 spread everywhere

[frosty trellis]

Especially with veinminer

[novel belfry]

ESPECIALLY

[small timber]

the impending comment of "but it already boost wing why do it need to double dip rocket boots; wingless is a self imposed challenge; defiled no longer exist"

[swift wharf]

That is a

SIS and a half

Jesus

[proven vortex]

wow that's a super long suggestion

that is basically zenith 2.0

[swift wharf]

1. exoblade is getting reworked eventually
2. N o.

[crude geode]

@hollow shell “simple rework suggestion”

[fossil finch]

@spice bolt you can't sugg things so specific
You can sugg for exoblade to be reworked and say why, but do not go into a long description of how it should be reworked

[hollow shell]

Yeah RTTV jesus christ you cannot be that specific in a suggestion

See the pinned Don'ts doc

[spice bolt]

sorry

i was a bit worried it would be way too specific, and to be fair no matter how you slice it a zenith 2.0 would be broken as f**k so I’m honestly not surprised

[small timber]

I think another consideration is zenith is post-yharon in calamity, and exoblade is only really 1 progression later

(I think if you only keep the "rework exoblade" part without fitting in all the rework specifics/detail it will be passable)

[spice bolt]

shall i edit the message then?

[small timber]

ya, the currently one is definitely not passable

general consideration is try to leave room for developers to do adjustment, so don't go extremely specific (like this projectile to exactly this, the 2nd projectile do that)

[spice bolt]

ill start rewriting it

ok, is that worse?

[small timber]

I think it should be good enough (though the mods will judge if they also think so)

[spice bolt]

ok, i will wait for the council's verdict

[floral wedge]

The problem with the sword atm is u can go to hell at the start of the playthrough and then kill like EOC king slime Evil bosses and skeletron all with wood armour and no accessorys The sword needs some sort of requirement to be met to be dropped imo compared to other progression options for prehardmode it just feels cheap.

[crude geode]

Did you read the first like 5 words

[swift wharf]

mfw bladecrest oathsword is literally the same thing

[crude geode]

it's not even just calamity

[hollow shell]

More accurately, balance wasn't a major concern during the porting process

We will be trying to squash out balance concerns now that it's out

For those who aren't on break at least

[crude geode]

demon scythe works in a similar manner in vanilla lol

[swift wharf]

and ashen stalactite

[crude geode]

in terms of "op weapon you can get pre-boss"

[swift wharf]

ik its not vanilla but still

[night jolt]

I mean sure, you can do that

But you can also name yourself "Jetstream Sam" and get the Murasama pre boss

Its something you have to go so far out of your way to get before the game wants you to that theres really no point not letting you get it beforehand

Again, I'd like to bring up the comparison with sequence breaking in Metroidvanias

[frosty trellis]

I mean

There's a ton of sequence breaking built into calamity regardless

[night jolt]

Exactly

[frosty trellis]

Can fight a lot of bosses far earlier than intended

[night jolt]

Why should Calamity close the sequence breaks like those if they let you fight Moon Lord pre Mechs?

[frosty trellis]

Fight AS/Anahita pre boss?

[crude geode]

this person when they discover you can fight duke fishron pre-mechs

[night jolt]

SMH just bring in Terminus from another world and do Boss Rush pre boss

[frosty trellis]

You can get Terminus post skeleton tbf

In a normal world

[night jolt]

But yeah the point still stands

Sequence breaking was made easier intentionally by the Cal devs, and you have to go so far out of your way to get Oathsword pre boss that you might as well keep it there for the people who are willing to go to hell before fighting King Slime

[swift wharf]

pre boss old duke

[frosty trellis]

Can you fight old duke pre boss?

I didn't know that was a thing

[swift wharf]

well bloodworms do spawn iirc

[night jolt]

Do Bloodworms spawn in Easy mode?

[frosty trellis]

They spawn in phm

Ye

[night jolt]

I hate the term "pre-hardmode"

[frosty trellis]

Well

It's what we got

[night jolt]

The term for something that is less difficult than "hard" is not "pre-hard"

Theres no reason to not just call it "Easy mode"

[swift wharf]

but it's before

so pre

[frosty trellis]

What should be post-ML he called them?

[night jolt]

Super hardmode?

[frosty trellis]

Since in standard terraria ML is the end of hardmode

[night jolt]

The issue is that vanilla calls it "hardmode" and didn't intend to go past Moon Lord

It could probably be called "medium mode" in Calamity, but its not a hill I'm willing to die on

[worn salmon]

tbh post-ml is a more general and specific term that can be used across multiple mods, super hardmode could be confused for a custom difficulty

[night jolt]

I am willing to die on "Pre-hardmode" being a fucking terrible name tho

[worn salmon]

pre-hm just makes sense

imo

easy mode sounds like a world or character difficulty rather than a stage in progression

[night jolt]

And "hardmode" doesn't?

If thats the terminology we need to go with, might as well make it consistent

I am aware that preaching this on a single channel in a discord server about a single mod isn't gonna reinvent the Terraria lexicon, but I just had to get that out

[crude geode]

It really isn’t

[ashen warren]

pretty much everyone knows it as pre-hardmode and hardmode, so I think at this point any attempt to change it would just fall on deaf ears

[worn salmon]

well i never did say hardmode wasn't in the same boat; but at this point the majority if not all players already know what hardmode is, so there is little chance for confusion to what it means

[drowsy plank]

just wait for the day red gives it an actual name ez
it is still really weird that hardmode is called hardmode. in vanilla it kinda does feel like the actual start of the game, less so in calamity with all of the extra stuff squeezed in, i dunno

[worn salmon]

yeah i always thought of pre-hm as a prologue

[stable musk]

Slime god, by lore iirc, is in weakened state by time player fights it

but by the same lore if player didn't fought it then slime god would become more and more powerful.

[fringe notch]

generally the path to the 3rd level of the abyss (not the abyss floor section) is blocked by 1 or 2 blocks until you can mine there

[frosty trellis]

Which just so happens that you can mine it with a BoC/EoW pickaxe, which is generally obtained before skeletron

My point stilll stands

[fringe notch]

https://calamitymod.fandom.com/wiki/Voidstone

[hollow shell]

Bad wiki

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Voidstone

There you go

[frosty trellis]

I don't remember you needing to mine voidstone to get into level 3 of the abyss

[hollow shell]

Generation doesn't always create blockages

[frosty trellis]

Abyss gravel I believe so, but never voidstone

[hollow shell]

Nor are the blockages intended

[fringe notch]

i know, its just easier to access on a whim... because i can never find the wiki.gg version on the first page of google

[frosty trellis]

If the blockages are not intended, then my point still stands

[hollow shell]

Can't relate, I always have a wiki tab open and use the wiki's search

[frosty trellis]

Same here

[crude geode]

Usually the official wiki is just. the second one on the list????

[frosty trellis]

Got at minimum the class setup page when I am learning classes early on lol

[fringe notch]

not for me LMAO

[crude geode]

L

[eternal escarp]

search what you want and add wiki.gg in the end

works for me

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

The rare DuckDuckGo superior search results?

[frosty trellis]

Or just never close the wiki.gg version in the first place

[hollow shell]

Usually it's the 2nd result
Here it's the 4th because "voidstone" isn't an incredibly original term

[fringe notch]

i try to only have one tab open at a time at max

[hollow shell]

A noble goal

[robust lava]

You mean that the Atlas of Worlds isn’t a Calamity feature? /s

[fringe notch]

all depends on generation, you can never rely on it not making a blockage

[frosty trellis]

I've never seen a voidstone blockage

Abyss gravel sure, seen that a few times

But never voidstone

[fringe notch]

interesting

[frosty trellis]

I have accidentally entered the third layer of the abyss in phm more than once lmao

[frosty trellis]

So would you scream if I told you I had 12 open rn?

[eternal escarp]

your computer might

[frosty trellis]

Nope

Computer works fine

Just don't use google chrome and suddenly your ram doesn't want to kill you

I can have more than 12 tabs open and run calamity with 0 lag issues

Had at least 15 tabs open when I did this

[eternal escarp]

i mean i can do the same, i still get high ram usage

im just too lazy to switch off chrome

[frosty trellis]

I never use it

I used Edge from the beginning of owning this laptop

No regrets

[gray nebula]

me opening the Calamity debuff encyclopedia and just seeing "Damage over time" on more than half of them

[fringe notch]

my heart might skip a beat... or 23

[fringe notch]

i wish you hadn't said that

[crude geode]

indeed

[fringe notch]

y'know what? we need more unique debuffs

[gray nebula]

the world if coming up with interesting unique debuffs was as simple as asking for them

[fringe notch]

something like the ones DoG inflicts, not just more DoT effects

[fringe notch]

ikr

[gray nebula]

I agree but like my brain is tv static when it comes to coming up with more

[fringe notch]

my brain is filled with tv static in general, most people dont seem to mind the DoT effects, so why bother is my opinion

[crude geode]

most people dont seem to mind bad things
FTFY

[fringe notch]

please explain what this means

[gray nebula]

I mean it's cuz yea dots overdone but that's not actively making your experience worse

fixed it for you

[fringe notch]

ah

[crude geode]

yeah that's prolly why it's less of a priority than making various portions of the game less boss rush-y (aside from making debuffs hard).

[gray nebula]

just like how there's 50 generic bows and swords but it's not like it's actively making u angry playing

but y es

[crude geode]

the most unique vanilla debuff in the game just gets like. shafted by 99% of things being immune. (confusion)

[gray nebula]

kinda crazy how swords get all the flak for being boring when guns and bows are also p bad

[crude geode]

glacial state is cool but it's like. a single debuff carrying the weight of the world on it's back.

[fringe notch]

like there's 8 wood swords, and realistically, if your going to use any, itll just be the regular wood one, but its still nice having the option

[frosty trellis]

There can be 50 generic bows and swords, but when there is only like, 4 fun and unique bows, and a number of fun and unique swords, that's where I start to get a tad upset

Don't even have to be good, just fun

[gray nebula]

we live in a society where the general masses rise their standards after one better element is introduced

I just removed auto reuse from a bow feeling awesome rn

[vapid moat]

alright, is this suggestion good enough ?
Make Wulfurm drone spawn less in evil biome or don't spawn on platform

[frosty trellis]

I mean, one of the reasons I love Melee and Mage is because there are the standard stuff that you would expect out of both classes, but with a healthy amount of stuff that is more unique and fun to play around with, something that seems to lack from Ranger with very few weapons that have unique qualities

[vapid moat]

the reason why i want this to be in game is because I was grinding for burger in corruption in daytime and i notice the amount of eater of soul i should be killing is less than expected and its turn out the Wulfurm drone decide to camp outside of my player camera views on my Eater of world platform and due to that now i have my inventory full of useless loot and make the grinding for burger much more of a chore, so i suggest decrease the spawn rate of those drone in special biome like corruption so grinding for burger is faster

[crude geode]

can't believe iban is joker

[fringe notch]

no, there is no reasoning behind the suggestion in it as to why it should exist, and no heading

[frosty trellis]

Major Improvement to all stats

[vapid moat]

not joking about the burger, it is a food item that grant amazing buff

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Burgers are amazing

[vapid moat]

i hate them drone dropping trash

[still zodiac]

t3 food buff and has a 1% chance to drop, but luckily eaters spawn quite often

but yeah doesn't seem that bad of a suggestion

[fringe notch]

i wouldnt classify that as enough of a reason

[still zodiac]

borgar yummy tho

[frosty trellis]

You missed this then Chi Chi

[gray nebula]

Burger fans

[vapid moat]

Chi Chi, i thought putting a full suggestion would be consider too much, so i separate it, here is a full detail

and also, why burger you ask ? it is easier to get them

[frosty trellis]

Would also help with farming stuff like ancient shadow armor early game as well as another side benefit for the corruption side of things

Crimson I dunno

[fringe notch]

i did not, its just it appeared as though they were explaining it here without choosing to put it in the actual suggestion is how i thought they were saying it

[fringe notch]

also, ancient shadow armour just looks objectively better (compared to normal shadow armour)

[frosty trellis]

Why not both?

LOL

[vapid moat]

ancient shadow armor is just great, sadly your whole inventory is now filled with battery

[frosty trellis]

Me, who never plays corruption-

[fringe notch]

oh? why not?

[frosty trellis]

But yeah

I just like crimson a lot better

[vapid moat]

also tentacle spike weapon

not exactly excellent weapon, but it is a weapon

[fringe notch]

as someone who played before crimson was a thing, i do have to admit to having a little bit of nostolgia bias

[frosty trellis]

Crimson was my first world evil lmao

[fringe notch]

good early game weapon... for in DST

[frosty trellis]

I find BoC more fun, much prefer the armor set, like the aesthetic more

[vapid moat]

in terraria, if you lucky to get it, it is a good early weapon for dealing with mobs

[frosty trellis]

Only reason I dislike crimson is herplings

[fringe notch]

Devourer.

[gray nebula]

crimson after it looks cooler

[fringe notch]

what are you? a vampire? /j

[frosty trellis]

LOL

So I'm a vampire then as well?