suggestions-discussion

[frail mantle]

that's what was supposed to happen, however the game shits itself hard whenever someone tries to do it

[distant gyro]

yeah it was apparently impossible to get vanilla relics to drop in rev

funnily enough it's incredibly simple to do if it was 1.3 tml

unfortunately, drop system changes

[quick crag]

unfortunate

relic collection stays incomplete

[cobalt heath]

nerf sugs don't get trough in voting

[drowsy plank]

wait pumpler doesnt use ammo? wacky, i really ought to try this thing out

yeah i remember the old one, havent gotten to try the new one yet

sounds fun tho

[grim tusk]

@haughty oasis new bosses are a no, also wrong formatting

[haughty oasis]

my bad first time posting there

[grim tusk]

John Wulfrum is not cannon anyways. Idk how midgame wulfrum stuff could be justified

[haughty oasis]

no idea how I should clarify this, in any case, this tech-like theme does not fit into the early game at all, here you hit a rabbit, there sometimes a slime, at night sometimes a zombie and suddenly there comes such a highly advanced tech enemy

[grim tusk]

@fossil gazelle please read the document on the top of #suggestions-posting

You need:
actual formatting
A reason other than “it would be cool” (and similar)

[fossil finch]

That's completely subjective lmao

[haughty oasis]

sure it is, its also subjective to say that copper should be a essential resource used in endgame in some way. Is there some lore behind this wulfrum stuff?

[distant gyro]

wulfrum is an incredibly poopy scrap made by someone who we don't know

[fossil finch]

There's only what is on the bestiary, they are very old things made for safekeeping an area long gone

[distant gyro]

(aka. not draedon)

[fossil finch]

Also they're very much toy-like because of that

The only thing remarkable about them is that energy cores last long as fuck

In any case, your message misses the point entirely

it's extremely subjective to argue they don't fit early game theming, what you say about copper is irrelevant for that
It would, anyways, also be subjective because if devs wanted copper could be an important material later on

[haughty oasis]

xD

[robust lava]

This could probably be distilled down to “add mod compatibility with Advanced World Gen”

[grim tusk]

@fossil gazelle your suggestion needs a title

[fossil gazelle]

Oh no worries

[grim tusk]

And the hello devs is not needed and discouraged

Go read the doc

[fossil finch]

People wanting to play on bigger worlds is not exactly an issue

[grim tusk]

^

@fossil gazelle that is not a proper title

[fossil finch]

Also bigger worlds have the tendency to get buggy so idk
The dude who made awg has that covered i guess

[grim tusk]

You should make it like “add compatibility for larger worlds”

[grim tusk]

Thats what i told him on #bugs-read-pins

[haughty oasis]

Of course, the developers can do whatever they want, but if you look at the gameplay development, Terraria throws you into a seemingly peaceful uninhabited world. There are slime enemies that have somehow emerged, and zombies at night, so undead.
And suddenly you're attacked by robots, which later in the game don't have much of an impact or in any way indicate anything significant.

[robust lava]

Adding mod compatibility with AWG seems like a fine sugg, but it should probably be worded that way

[grim tusk]

@fossil gazelle ^

[fossil finch]

Later on slimes and zombies also don't have much of an impact to indicate any significance what's your point

[grim tusk]

Also @inland saddle i think bot died since i have not seen 🗜️ get marked on several suggs. Oh its back up

[haughty oasis]

Yeah King Slime and Queen Slime is a significant thing, using gel for torches and flamethrowers are all linked to slimes?

[fossil finch]

Also you're incredibly wrong, terraria sets itself up as things are very hostile all the time, you'd find an evil walking like 3 seconds out of your spawn and those are literally impossible to traverse originally

[haughty oasis]

thats why included the word seemingly

[fossil finch]

in any case wulfrum bots are comically easy to avoid and look like toys so they still fit your narrative

[haughty oasis]

I dont know, do they look like toys?

[fossil finch]

They do look at them they're silly little things

[haughty oasis]

yeah like some irobots someone accidentally let free

[grim tusk]

John Wulfrum is not cannon. Probably bestiary has an answer for wulfrum bots ;)

[haughty oasis]

so john is only a community made up npc/guy/creator whatever

[grim tusk]

indeed

[fallow moon]

I really like the "you need a title for your suggestion" so my mans put TITLE at the top of the message

Bigger worlds would be nice tho. A lot of biomes tend to feel a bit cramped in Large worlds

[haughty oasis]

regardless of what is said in the community, I have an idea about the Wuflrum stuff, can you make suggestions for lore too?

[grim tusk]

Afaik no, maybe read the doc but i highly doubt if its allowed that it gets accepted on dev

[haughty oasis]

😦

But there is a possibility at least okay

Is there some POC when it comes to lore?

or is it more a general thing

[grim tusk]

@sharp ocean fun fact: Zoologist sells are only affected by vanilla bestiary

@magic verge hellfire treads have another (and powerful) purpose entirely (all attacks inflict hellfire and boosts all fire debuff damage by 1.5; it stacks with fireball and cinnamon roll), adding em to angel treads would be opaf

[sharp ocean]

I know now

[magic verge]

would be what now

and the point is not combining both effects

the point is to not craft multiple long crafting trees

in this case, two lava waders

[small timber]

ya calamity basically make hellfire treads have its own effect that (will not be inherited) by terraspark

[magic verge]

if you want to continue with the terraspark boot crafting tree, which you will, you wont need to craft lava waders again

[grim tusk]

hellfire treads are an optional side-grade

[grim tusk]

as if making lava waders on Cal was as bad as in vanilla, it is really not needed

[small timber]

ya lava waders is really easy to make in calamity

in fact hellfire treads is 10x harder to craft because if I remember correctly it need obsidian crates

[magic verge]

they are eventually not a side grade, terraspark are required for angel threads crafting tree, which, again, you will eventually craft

listen, your point makes little to no sense
i fully acknowledge hellfire and lava waders are fully sidegraded, but eventually you will need to craft another set of the same accesories

[small timber]

ok in that case probably best to clarify in the body that it is just so the player dont have to recraft lava waders

[fossil finch]

They are not eventually not a sidegrade that's not how it works

[magic verge]

with this small change, nothing changes, at all, except you dont need to make the accesory again, thats it

[small timber]

because the current body reads like: make terraspark the continuous progression of hellfire treads upgrade (eventhough title is clear)

[fossil finch]

They are a sidegrade, and it's a dead end

This things are allowed to exist

[magic verge]

yes the tittle is pretty clear hence i didnt saw the necesity to do so but i guess its not the case

[grave kestrel]

lava waders arent even that hard to craft

[small timber]

ya, it is still best for your body to explain the exact thing your title mention, currently it can be a bit contradicting

[grave kestrel]

of the long crafting recipes, thats not really one of them

[magic verge]

its not about being hard or not

its about having the option of not having to craft the same tree again

for no reason at all

[small timber]

I think the suggestion do make sense since (specifically) mana flower upgrades and lava waders upgrade into terraspark have a ton of different recipes just so you dont have to recraft at any point

while hellfire treads is abit upgraded, it is still essentially lava waders so the suggestion is fine

[gray nebula]

incorrect

the percentage required by the zoologist only counts the vanilla enemies

also wow the ROI here would be so horrible byut the other sugg fixed it so its all gud

[hearty yew]

question about the Thanatos deathray

since currently

it's pure sprites

and artemis' Ohio Beam is pure shaders

(I forget what ares laser arm is)

why is the Artemis beam better?

I think the Thanatos one looks awesome in its own right

[small timber]

I think probably just perspective/preference tbh, thanatos one looks like a death ray while the artemis one looks like solar flare(?)

[hearty yew]

yeah

Thanatos beam looks like your classic death ray

it's a good look

I don't see what's wrong with it

Shaders don't solve everything

Now that being said it's a totally valid suggestion and I think it's preference which one you think looks cooler.

[small timber]

I think if thanatos death ray have the same shadder it might look like this, I will not say it is objectively better but I think people just see the death ray being too similar to moon lord's one, at least I think

(and ya, probably also bias for new things since they see "oh new visual effect, wait this one is not changed, time to apply the change to this too")

[true inlet]

so many suggs

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Accessory and Armor That Say "Increased Stat" Clearly State What It Gives]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make The Community List The Exact Stat It Gains (In Some Way)]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

get doubled

[gray nebula]

just use the pixelated ray shader for the converging sights

[drowsy plank]

@grim vapor you need to add a title to your suggestion so it's formatted correctly or the bot wont accept it

@stiff birch that might be a better suggestion for calamity's vanities mod, also your formatting is similarly wrong and has no reasoning

[cobalt heath]

imo now that texture packs are a thing in modding

just use those

if you are skilled enought to do that

[gray nebula]

.

uh

oomfie

You're aware that you can't just really do a texturepack for shaders vs sprites

[cobalt heath]

o

[gray nebula]

drawing a beam as a shader beam vs drawing a beam as a sprite beam is entirely different

for shaders you just draw one single strip with a shader, or just one sprite thats been edited to look like a beam

for sprites you manually draw all the sgments one by one

[cobalt heath]

aka shaders are simpler but not possible on texture packs?

[gray nebula]

well ""simpler"" theyte simpler because you just do one draw call and the actual drawing is done w math

at most you could change the sprite of the noise map used i guess?

texture packs can just swap sprites with one another

[cobalt heath]

thanks for the art theory lesson

[gray nebula]

like

the sights on the titanium railgun for example are just one 1x1 invisible square, scaled up a lot and i draw a streak on it

[small timber]

@ashen warren malice (alone) maybe, ftw is meant to be a literal meme, do not expect it to be balanced in any capacity

[ashen warren]

cirrus claims to have tested the bosses in for the worthy

[small timber]

Especially if you decide to mix it with malice

[ashen warren]

they should at least be possible at the stage of the game it is meant to be fought in

[robust lava]

Even non-ftw Malice doesn’t always obey that

[small timber]

You are mixing 2 difficulties that are meant to make bosses unreasonably overtuned, you have no one to blame but yourself

For "tested" I will assume ftw is tested on rev, maybe death, but definitely not malice because there is no point

[ashen warren]

it should be possible to fight

just because it's balanced on revengeance/death that doesn't mean malice is the exception

[small timber]

^,then just find way to circumvent it, minmax it, worst case scenerio dynamite rabbit it

[ashen warren]

we already have a circumventing plan but the thing is it would be optimal if it didn't exceed the player's maximum speed even post-perforators/hive mind

like if it could at least be somewhat possible in the general section of the game that it is fought in (pre-hardmode overall) then i wouldn't be saying this but it can't even be fought properly anywhere within said stage

[cobalt heath]

fabsol said that he balanced it to be ass

purposefully

and is not gonna change it

cause he treats ftw as a joke

[ashen warren]

where did you get that idea

[cobalt heath]

cause he said it

himself

[ashen warren]

cite?

[cobalt heath]

just a sec

[ashen warren]

okay

[ashen warren]

i see

[small timber]

Ok this took me way longer than it should

Maybe try to bring BoC to underground? Especially crimson underground

[cobalt heath]

you beat me to it

[ashen warren]

it's still enraged in every general area due to malice itself

i'll just fight this thing anyway once skeletron is dead and see what happens in that sense

[small timber]

Because after searching for documents it do say malice enragr stack with out of biome enrage (and surface enrage) on BoC

[ashen warren]

i should have it killed at that point anyway

[small timber]

Key is it stack eith malice, which maybe the cause, basically double/triple enragr for out of biome and on surface

[ashen warren]

no, it doesn't super-enrage outside of its correct biome

[small timber]

Then in that case it probably is just pure malice then, I assume ftw had a funny ai modification that is not intended to work with malice speed

Since to my knowledge on some bosses ftw modifier is literally just stack another enragr (like malice)

[ashen warren]

i need to check what ftw even does

for the boc

i just know it increases its number of creepers and its teleport speed and size

[night jolt]

How long till someone does Scal hitless in JMMMFTW?

Journey Master Malice Mode For the Worthy

[unreal lark]

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Boss Summon Item Also State Their Enrage Condition]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

nice

[ashen warren]

I hope the multiplayer thing gets implicated

Starting a 6 man run soon

[cobalt lion]

wrong catagory

[crude geode]

you need reasoning relda

victide (cringe)

[cobalt lion]

would it be possible to get a whip added to the game for the sunken sea rework cause i can send you my concept when its done for review

sadly
but what if i make more then one weapon

darn

could i still dm you it?

cause i dont want to have 3 hours wasted on something i genuinely made with lots of research and care

[drowsy plank]

well uh. unless you just make it yourself you basically did. you could probably just post it right here in chat if it's contained in a doc or something if you want people to look at it, but it dont mean much

[cobalt lion]

ok

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aeC6PZU5cOXgtvL6Nl0pSGDMgEPX4ur7zC2BDm-gd0U/edit?usp=sharing this is the entire concept

[drowsy plank]

isnt this just cool whip but preHM?

[cobalt lion]

no as this does not have a minion or does it inflict frost burn

i spent a good while thinking "should i make it shards or sparks"

i calculated the price of it to be slightly higher then the materials if you were to sell the exact amount of materials

[drowsy plank]

where does it spawn the shards (also man i really didnt understand what cool whip did, i only just looked it up lmao)

[cobalt lion]

at the end of the whip

[drowsy plank]

do they like... stick to enemies or just sit on the ground or home in on the target or other enemies or?

[cobalt lion]

they home in

off i got to learn to code so i could possibly work for calamity to add things

[night jolt]

OK hold on

Doesn't that just make Blood Pact an effective health down?

Its reasonable to be able to avoid damage for around half a minute at least

So the crit being guaranteed just kinda makes it so you effectively take more dmage than Blood Pact helps save

Seems reasonable to just have the double crit prevention without the other stuff

Just make it so you can't get crit while you have the crit buff

[hollow shell]

Ah yknow what
I interpreted that suggestion as "you will get crit every 4th time you get hit"

Which I realize now is not what it was suggesting

[night jolt]

There should be a cooldown or something for suggestions right after an update, like make it so suggestions can only be posted once every five minutes for everyone. Whatever makes it easier to judge a massive amount of suggestions at once

And the worst part is, now I want to suggest "Add double crit prevention to Blood Pact," but now that the suggestion got to voting, I have to wait like two weeks so it won't be considered a piggy back suggestion

[hollow shell]

Well, our new system for determining how many stars require delivery
was kinda designed for this exact situation

Not for judgment of suggestions, but
now the diluted star pool won't be an issue at all

[noble crypt]

the magna cannon is an ass magic gun

it shoots a tiny wave of barely visible Particles™️ that come out at a slow pace
it isnt unique or anything its just another pew pew gun (not even that much better than the normal space gun from which it's made)

i feel like it should be removed or get a rework

[hollow shell]

That would be a fine suggestion

[wary hatch]

Make an upgraded version of the zenith that contains higher weapons that arive after moonlord

[hollow shell]

Zenith is crafted using Auric Bars

Also Exoblade exists

[noble crypt]

done

[hollow shell]

👍

[frosty trellis]

I'm going to assume suggesting a rework for a majority of the ranger weapons bc the class doesn't feel unique and overall underpowered isn't something I can suggest

[crude geode]

it is not

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[gray nebula]

Classes in terraria being unique is a non issue

like its known but its not rly a big problem

Everyone knows classes is just a simple and easy way to make the game more replayable even if its not very varied concept wise

weapon variety amongst itself is what makes stuff feel more unique imo

[hollow shell]

@potent yacht Jesus Christ

fyi The post-DoG event refights are considered to be weak aspects of post-ML and we are planning on replacing them with original content later on

We definitely will not add even more stuff that will just be removed or replaced later

[night jolt]

@potent yacht for the love of God no

If there's anything Calamity doesn't need, it's more grinding events after DoG

[hollow shell]

What value is more added hours to the game if it's just doing more stuff that you've already done

[frosty trellis]

Currently pre polter on my ranger run, and besides the Clockwork bow and Sea's Searing, there really hasn't been any new or interesting weapons that stand out or are super unique. Nothing super memorable. I am hoping this starts to change, but it feels like 96% of things are just upgrades to the beloved megashark or boomstick I won't lie

[gray nebula]

exactly.

Its not the problem with the class feeling not unique

its a problem with the weapons being poopy

ty btw i coded the new clockwork bow

[frosty trellis]

Clockwork Bow is very cool

And np!

[gray nebula]

but yeah i very much agree that everything being shoot a lot !! shooty bang bang is very sad

i mean id be fine with not culling as many if at least they looked cool or smth

[frosty trellis]

I mean, one of the things about ranger that really makes me mad is that I would actually rather farm pillars for frags instead of dues

Bc there is nothing that can kill Dues quickly post moonlord for no reason

Like, with Melee, you have Stellar contempt which can kill dues in seconds, with Mage, Last Prism, Nuclear Fury and Elemental Ray can also shred dues

Not sure on Rouge and Summoner, but there is probably smthin if I had to guess

[night jolt]

Deus just had to be one of those bosses with a second phase and an invincible transition

[frosty trellis]

I mean, even with that

Melee and Mage post moonlord obliterate Dues

[gray nebula]

If only every range weapons felt as meaty as the slr scrapshot..

but hey theres the new titanium railgun and adamantite particle accelerator for ranger

awesome

[crude geode]

If only not every bow fired like a gun

[frosty trellis]

Still in 1.3 lmao

For me

For bow's there is either:
Standard
Daedalus Stormbow knockoffs upgrades
Clockwork bow

What else is there?

It just feels lacking and underpowered

Pre hardmode and Hardmode is cool

But post moonlord just seems less and less fun as it goes on ngl

[grim tusk]

can we add screenshake to the shotguns 🥺

[crude geode]

slight concern about causing health problems but I think as long as it had a setting/confit it’d be fine

[gray nebula]

theres already a config to turn it off innit?

[unborn oriole]

@waxen flower

[grim tusk]

also sentinel phase was pretty much bug factory

[hollow shell]

Also we didn't add Type D for the whole time Sentinels phase was in the game

Because the phase only happened once, after you beat it then you never saw it again, so it wouldn't really be worth the filesize

[sudden knot]

Could we have the sunken sea biome override the water color over underground desert?

Wasn't like this in 1.3 iirc

[hollow shell]

That's pretty funny

[sudden knot]

Fighting a clam in a sea of piss haha

[hollow shell]

I'm wondering if it's worth reporting in bugs or if it's fine as a suggestion

[grim tusk]

its a bug

a known one

[sudden knot]

It's not impacting my gameplay, just an aesthetic thing, so I figured it'd go to suggestions

[hollow shell]

🤔

Not sure how to feel about this suggestion

[frosty trellis]

I mean, I never rly found a point for them when doing my mage run

Just another crafting material I needed to farm, not smthin that I found worthwhile

[small timber]

I am unsure about this since I dont really play mage, do aureus cell having restore mana effect make it get autoused if you have no other man potion in inventory?

[ashen warren]

It does it for white wine

So I assume yes

[small timber]

So ya that is probably a good reason aureus cell (and white whine) shouldnt have it then, since their purpose is definitely not to be use as mana potion, they are very obviously for buffs

[grave zinc]

@celest sonnet - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the description for each Schematic so players can recognize what each schematic is from]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Oh right falling stars are way more common in 1.4 aren't they

[hollow shell]

Also pog

[cobalt pewter]

yea

doesn't ??? have some proximity limit in order for it to take damage?

maybe just tighten it up a bit so that it doesn't get murdered by random stars

[unreal lark]

yup
so much so, in fact, that relogic had to revert the crafting recipe change of mana crystals from 3 stars back to 5

not to mention meteor showers can happen and drastically increase their spawn rates even further

[shut flicker]

bro afraid to misgender a worm

[ashen warren]

They exists

[grim tusk]

It

[shut flicker]

?

you mean they could've just said "they" instead of "he/she/it are/is"

[grave zinc]

@wraith kestrel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make building the Codebreaker easier to figure out]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[shut flicker]

GG

[wraith kestrel]

W

[ashen warren]

Ye

[unborn oriole]

Just call Dog by it's name

[hollow shell]

@gray cypress No boss suggestions please

[crude geode]

Same person who said “bring back Armageddon bc everything is too easy”

[hollow shell]

How the hell do you remember that- oh it was yesterday

[crude geode]

Yeah

Business is booming

[hollow shell]

also @drowsy plank I just realized, shouldn't your suggestion also include the two Cysts?

[drowsy plank]

oh well

i just said anahita because it just happened to me

but that is a very valid point

[crude geode]

Saves some time for someone to experience it in their playthrough and mald about it here

[grave zinc]

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Guide Voodoo Doll stackable]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lucid flare - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Exo Mechs' Treasure Bag to Treasure Box]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

@fickle thistle "yet Frozen and Harpy can only be acquired after one mechanical boss, while Fins and Harpy can be acquired early Hardmode"
Slight error

[fickle thistle]

incredible

[hollow shell]

👍 There ya go

[small timber]

frozen wing is obviously better than fin and harpy, it has this

(although on a serious note I should check in game what they do now before comment)

ok this is what all the wings currently does (ok leaf wing is so gutted in flight time), it is not very organized but just for ease of reference

so ya harpy is still have decent/niche benefit over other pre-mech wings, but frozen and fin wings is absolutely just worse version of Fairy Wing

[crude geode]

"most attacks sometimes"

that has got to be some of the most confusing language

[small timber]

if the wiki is true Harpy is actually extremely good

ok this set bonus is bugged, it only works with harpy ring but not angel treads
and the feather fire upwards so it dont hit anything

[fickle thistle]

Leaf is just

massive fucking sad

[small timber]

from 160 flight time to 100 flight time because vanilla decide it need to die mfw

[fickle thistle]

[hollow shell]

tbf

It used to be the universal go-to choice

Gotta give the other wings some usage

[fickle thistle]

does that mean botching it to oblivion

[small timber]

for vanilla maybe, but for calamity I dont think so, many others wing have bonus while leaf's bonus is pretty much outdated at the time it is active, its only advantage is just flight time

[fickle thistle]

(well, for relogic, it's a yes)

[crude geode]

it's a basic set of wings you can get without almost any effort.

[small timber]

I mean they could at least make it 130, that way it is like a low effort wing with no proper bonus, but ya 100 is skyline wing level

[crude geode]

wacky

[small timber]

(wrong channel)

[warped tide]

Hey, I got butterfly wings pre mech in Vanilla

is that possible calamity wise?

[small timber]

if butterfly wings require mythril anvil then I dont think it is possible, and I dont remmeber moth spawn pre-mech, it is wacky

[warped tide]

they do

pretty sure Butterfly Wings are a niche mage thing though

[small timber]

sorry I mean for calamity, I have to double check first

since there are some wacky change for mothron spawn from both vanilla and calamity, I dont remember if moth also have similar conditions

[hollow shell]

Butterfly Wings do seem to still require Mythril anvil

[warped tide]

ok cool

Wait is Soul of Cryogen still a thing?

the uh

wings that rain down icicles

or was that nuked for something else

that like
makes sense for the boss

[small timber]

I am testing it, since I remember some wacky requirement where moth dont drop butterfly dust until certain boss is defeat

[warped tide]

yikes

[small timber]

ok I spawned and killed like 200 moth pre-mech, no drop, same for natural spawn one through zerg and battle potion (50% chance, I am not that unlucky)

actually with this it definitely should had drop

I will just slow kill 1 mech then another to see how many boss you need to kill for it to drop

ok it just require 1 mech kill, so you just cannot get butterfly dust before you kill a mech

since you need mythril anvil anyway all it does is to make it that pre-mech farming for butterfly dust is completely pointless

[crude geode]

That secondary reasoning is pretty subjective

[night jolt]

This better?

[crude geode]

Ye

[celest sonnet]

LETS FUCKING GOOOIII

[drowsy plank]

Does Fearless Goldfish Warrior fall too hard under donor content to make a suggestion about it? I just want to see if the Tin Helmet it drops could be replace with a Bucket, which is actually useful, or just be removed entirely. The Tin Helmet mind you, not the enemy. The enemy is great.

[crude geode]

Yes you would need permission

[hollow shell]

I doubt you would be able to get that changed considering the tin helmet is a vital part of the enemy sprite

It was specifically specified to be as such

(it's a reference I think)

[drowsy plank]

i realize

maybe i can just get it to

stop dropping anything

but yeah the entire design is a reference to a youtuber

so maybe i can just get it to stop dropping the helmet cause like

it doesnt drop its magic dagger so

oh wait it does

whatever both drops suck why cant it just be the funny enemy and drop nothing

[muted osprey]

hey guys what if I posted a sugg to add a scissors blade weapon called bloodlust it'll be wacky and original because it's a reference to metal goose rise calamity mod haha

[drowsy plank]

is there some kind of bug where zenith just does less DPS on some people's computers or something cause ive watched the videos of people using zenith on scal and exos

[small timber]

zenith is considered as one of the best weapon against scal in nohit lounge btw

[half sage]

yea it felt perfect on exos for me, especially ares

[small timber]

not sure about exo, but I am definitely sure it is very viable

[hollow shell]

Alright I think it's time to utilize

the newly officialized Don't

[drowsy plank]

good change

[hollow shell]

@pastel crow @distant gyro my children your time has come

How are these two weapons

[fringe notch]

Pumpler is not more effective at killing post hive mind stuff than many post hive mind stuff

[hollow shell]

Hang on this will be more elegant if I have the mentions within discord so you can see if they're available or not

Balancing Thread
LINK:
#1042197406776827914
#1042197406776827914 message

Use this thread for doing rigorous balance evaluations of certain items, i.e. DPS tests and boss kill-time tests.
You may also request others to do those tests for items you believe are unbalanced (too weak, too strong), by pinging the users listed below.
Use this thread for that purpose instead of making official suggestions regarding item balance.

List of testers who may be pinged for balance changes/evaluation:

• @grim tusk (Shade) (shade__storm)
• @worthy lintel (spiderprovidence)
• @pastel crow (Xyk) (xyk3516)
• @storm sky (piky)
• @inner anvil (Memes) (mrmemes.)
• @distant folio (uberransy)
• @bright crag (stipulatevenus)
• @royal tapir (congratsistrash)

(I'll edit them in to prevent actual pings)

[safe oasis]

why are there 2 blasts on the tester team 🤨

[hollow shell]

Yeah I noticed that

Funny

[pastel crow]

Pumpler is currently bugged and hits MUCH more than it should

each pumpkin should be hitting the enemy once

instead we get this

As for Zenith, I can give it a go right now and get back to you on that

[hollow shell]

Epic 👍

[crude geode]

Wasn’t this literally complained about tho

#suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Curious

[drowsy plank]

not a tester but ive been using pumpler all day and it is a very funny weapon because sometimes it'll do that and other times it'll deal 4 damage

like

just 4 damage

i land all 5 explosions and it just doesnt work. the most consistently i saw this was trying to kill crabs underwater which is a weird and very specific scenario but i said it was the only consistent one. sometimes it just happens on like. random zombies or slimes. works just fine on bosses tho

[pastel crow]

Yea so zenith definitely isn't too weak, if anything its still a little too strong on Scal, this is an Exo weapon/ Drae-drop killtime

[hollow shell]

Alright
@kindred oyster ^

[fringe notch]

Yeah, that does not appear to be weak lol

[frosty trellis]

4:33 SCal kill? Sheesh

[pastel crow]

Potions and Gear if you needed it

[frosty trellis]

Still using Ark, but zamn, Zenith is insane

[small timber]

ya, considering nohit gear killtime is supposed to be 3 minutes, 4:33 is super impressive

[small timber]

oh right, on the topic of aotc, I heard certain thing about aotc overperforming than it should and is overpowered right now

I am not 100% sure it is true or not since I havent try it myself, but I heard it is performing way better than zenith

[pastel crow]

I know at least Fractured ark is mega OP, that thing fucks bosses post SG to pre Plant

But I can give that a look too

[frosty trellis]

Thought it was overpowered in 1.3 tbh. I had no incentive to use anything but Ark except dragons rage for thanatos since it just killed shit so fast

Fractured Ark is insane

I think Ark of the Ancients is a little underpowered for it's stage, but might be wrong there

[hollow shell]

(I would be fine with the reworked Arks and Biome Blades being slightly overpowered to encourage people to use them over more boring options) 👀

[fringe notch]

Oh? If I might ask, which atunement is the most powerful out of them?

[frosty trellis]

Tyrant Yharim's Ultrasword is just kinda better than AotA imo

Ark is not biome blade lol

[hollow shell]

Fractured Ark is not the attunement sword

[small timber]

ya it definitely should be since ark is harder to use than zenith, though from what I heard it is like, 40% more dps than zenith?

[fringe notch]

Ah sorry, I was thinking of the biome blade and it's line

[frosty trellis]

Besides Broken, Biome Blade line overall (Until ark of the cosmos) is underpowered imo

Biome Blade I don't exactly see a reason to use over stuff like FA or Darklight Greatsword or T.Nights Edge, True Biome Blade is outclassed by Briny Baron against moonlord and Dues, not to mention Fallen Palladins hammer against dues.
Galaxia is, not that good against Yharon.

Just from my three runs of playing Melee on various difficulties. I might be wrong about normal Biome Blade and True, but it's generally agreed upon that Galaxia isn't that good for Yharon

[hollow shell]

how have you done three runs of melee after their reworks
how can you stomach that much Terraria

[frosty trellis]

A: Melee is my favorite class
B: I started playing Calamity in April

Lol

[hollow shell]

I see

[frosty trellis]

Expert, Rev and Death I have all done as Melee

Because I do not want to touch Malice, nty

I want to keep my small amounts of sanity

[tardy smelt]

True Biome is actually stupidly op on moonlord last time i checked

[hollow shell]

What does that say about Briny Baron

[small timber]

oh right, that

[frosty trellis]

Never rly used True Biome Blade on moonlord, but I can try that later.

I just used briny baron bc I can actually see wtf is going on and just run with the r.click

Swordsman Pride with ML background and the hard to see projectiles? Nty

[muted osprey]

best attunement

:troll

[small timber]

(oh that file is a bit large)

(btw this is on near full tank, not dps setup)

[hollow shell]

What is this I am witnessing

[muted osprey]

unattuned true biome blade is cracked

[frosty trellis]

Me wondering why you would ever not use Murasama or Dragon's rage on the brimstone hearts

Oh

Wait

It's mostly post ML gear

[kindred oyster]

ok cool tysm

[small timber]

it is postML scal ya, though it give a super good idea how overpowered it is for pre-ML

[muted osprey]

a pre ML weapon being able to perform well on brimstone hearts is kind of a big deal

[frosty trellis]

I just find it hard to justify getting it tbh

[tardy smelt]

Idk but glass attuneless tbb can kill him in about 45 secs on paper

[pastel crow]

yep Ark is too much

[muted osprey]

huh???

[frosty trellis]

Jesus fuck

3:45 kill time against SCal with Ark

[muted osprey]

322672 max dps

[frosty trellis]

Ark is broken as shit

I mean, I kinda figured, but dear god

[small timber]

I think it is fine for ark to be abit stronger than zenith since it is way harder to use, but ya that is like, a quarter less kill time

[muted osprey]

fucking jacked

[hollow shell]

That's like
1/6th of SCal's health in one second

[pastel crow]

@ iban 🗿

[frosty trellis]

Just one shotting Cataclysm/Catasrophe

[hollow shell]

(though it was probably achieved against Seekers if I had to guess)

[muted osprey]

I mean I think rage + adrenaline does that

[frosty trellis]

And looking at Xyk's setup, it's not even a no-hit dps build

[hollow shell]

(Multiple targets = multiplied DPS)

Or that

yeah

[pastel crow]

either seekers or brimhearts

[frosty trellis]

Even then

[pastel crow]

wrong reply

[frosty trellis]

That's a bit much

[small timber]

no ripper right? so aotc is just capable of 300k max dps

[pastel crow]

No adrenaline or rage is used in tests

[hollow shell]

Damn!

[frosty trellis]

Jesus

[small timber]

probably seeker tbh, brimstone heart dont get multihit too much

[frosty trellis]

Ark needs a nerf

[small timber]

(also defense is REALLY overpowered right now)

[pastel crow]

I got adrenaline twice, if Scal didn't have invulnerability phases she's be dead where she stood

[frosty trellis]

Tbf, you can parry once and all 10 swings can kill hearts

So not too bad

[muted osprey]

the game is hard

[tardy smelt]

U nless it got nerfed to the ground

[frosty trellis]

Rly? I haven't been playing around with 1.4 rly. Formula broke or smthin?

[small timber]

they nerfed DR and boss damage, but (pure) defense value mostly untouched or even buffed

and with full Warding you have no issue to still softcap DR

[frosty trellis]

Ah

So, defense is gonna get nerfed I assume, as well as some DR from stuff getting a wee bit reworked

[small timber]

I think defense and DR from item is fine, it is just Warding is abit too strong

[frosty trellis]

Warding is suddenly broken?

Did they seriously nerf boss damage that much?

[small timber]

it has always been broken, now that boss damage is lower it is even more broken

[fleet igloo]

All bosses or just the three

[small timber]

this was on near glass cannon setup on pre-nerfed value of defense

this build had basically no DR, it should give a good idea how much Warding matters

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[muted osprey]

meanwhile the soyboys in cal subreddit were like "nooo you can't nerf DR you guys are a bunch of nohit elitists!!!!"

[frosty trellis]

That's kinda absurd

LOL

And this is why I don't use reddit

But warding basically just taking off 28ish% of your damage is dumb, if I am doing my mental math correctly

[pastel crow]

I think that because you're loosing basically 30% damage for this, I honestly don't have an issue with this

[frosty trellis]

I mean, what is that against?

Also, if that's with a glass cannon build, how much is one taking with a tank build?

Is the problem

[small timber]

30% damage is not really that valuable since it is additive not multiplicative, you should have around 120% damage bonus at this point

so comparatively 30% damage will be like, losing 13% of your total damage output, compare to dropping boss damage by 28% on a very low investment build into tank

(and ya, can't deal damage if the player died)

[frosty trellis]

And then put that on a more tanky setup

And I can see SCal being more facetankable

Which is not great

[small timber]

and warding should have way more impact now that late game boss damage is reduced, because (pure) defense matter more

[tardy smelt]

Could some tester check out tha t thing btw

[small timber]

if menacing have much higher reward then I will say it is a tradeoff, as of currently Menacing is abit too weak unless the player want to exclusively go damage

[muted osprey]

xyk's right there

[small timber]

in a non-nohit scenerio there is really not much reason to not just go Warding, Menacing payoff is low

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

And the thing is, that's with a glass cannon build

My standard build is Sponge/Wings/Aegis/Rampart/Cotbg/Community

• offensive accessory for said class

And with the stuff from that, could reduce damage way further

And that's not even that uncommon of a build to see

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message

Is this not what she already does? I could have sworn it got brought up earlier

in terms of somewhere, not just specifically this channel

[pastel crow]

yep its fucked

this is with the balanced regular tester build

[muted osprey]

pls don't nerf it's funny 🥺

[small timber]

that is nohit level of timing on a really good weapon that is not true melee

[tardy smelt]

Under minimum nohit length lmao

[small timber]

oh right ML is 1:45

[frosty trellis]

True Biome Blade better than I thought, dear lord

It shows that I tend to skip Dues and save it for post ML lmao

[small timber]

no true biome blade is really not that strong, but that one (I think) is no attunement

[tardy smelt]

Its also funny on folly and signus

[frosty trellis]

Just nerf the no attunement T.Biome Blade then?

[pastel crow]

Opinion: true biome blade didn't need to exist, Biome Blade -> Galaxia would have been better

[frosty trellis]

Like, nerf it a lot

I would agree there

It's in a really bad tier, since you get AotE right after you defeat ML, and Briny Baron can kill ML just fine

[tardy smelt]

I wish it were on tier with aote

[frosty trellis]

It's attunements would have to be buffed for that imo

Stellar Striker, Goj, Stellar Contempt and Swordsplosion pre prov are all still good options that are not AotE

AotE imo is kinda overpowered, since it's not only great for Prov, it's great against Signus, Ceaselus, and Polter

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2K0WQ125w Master Death Mode Yharon with a tank setup

ok while don't have 1080 yet, I think this video is a very valid proof of how strong full tank/defense/warding is right now

this is master death mode, and in most case as long as I don't get chain hit I take literally no damage

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Back in 1.3, my standard build as Melee was taking more damage from the fireballs alone. Dash did a little under a third of my hp iirc

On Expert-Death

That's more than just kinda dumb

[small timber]

ya similarly I think the same build would had what you experienced, on expert

since I used a similar build back then and I definitely don't tank as much, no way near close, and this one is on master mode

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Still wondering why they nerfed boss damage in the first place, but I digress

These are the final stretch of post ML bosses. They aren't supposed to be easy

[small timber]

because they want to make DR not super easily softcapped from just buffs and potions, so they nerf DR to make it actually need to be invest in
to account for DR nerf, they nerf late game boss damage

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Do you know anything in regards to this? Could have sworn it was getting updates to not regard Cal bestiary additions or smthn

[small timber]

I think the main thing is they overestimated how much DR matters (or thinking only DR matters), and underestimated how much just pure defense will be improved if boss damage is lower

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Defense overall needs a nerf, or at least Warding does

[small timber]

warding is the main culprit I think, defense from items in general is very fine

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[pastel crow]

if necessary I think the solution is to make all the increases after the hardmode increase to 6 defense only be an increase by 1 defense
(So post DoG: 11 Def and Post Yharon: 12 Def)

[crude geode]

Why do we need to make warding scale.

[pastel crow]

Because the damage enemies do scales with game progression and defense is a flat reduction

[crude geode]

It just feels weird that it’s the only modifier that scales with game progress.

[small timber]

ya sounds fine tbh, though I have no solid number I do think the Warding DR can be slightly scale down too and even then it will be fine

since 12x7 defense post yharon is still super solid

(though that probably make it much worse on non-full tank, forget what I said)

[frosty trellis]

What's the mod that gives that little timer thingy?

Or kill time I should say

[hollow shell]

The suggestion doesn't say anything about Cal enemies
It's just asking for a change in general

[crude geode]

No I was asking if there was already plans

I remember there being some regarding the bestiary and the zoologist

[hollow shell]

That's because all other modifiers are a percentage instead of a flat stat
(except Arcane)

[crude geode]

Arcane scaling

[hollow shell]

And uh I personally haven't heard anything regarding the Zoologist and Calamity, no

Aside from her not requiring/counting Calamity enemies for completion

[crude geode]

Then shouldn’t the sugg be irrelevant?

[small timber]

nycro nohit efficiency, should be in mod browser

[hollow shell]

???

[golden tulip]

24 new suggs

christ

[hollow shell]

Oh you know what the suggestion does try to acknowledge Calamity enemies

That shouldn't be the case

[crude geode]

Yes that is indeed the problem at hand here

Does zoologist acknowledge cal enemies as part of completion in game currently?

[hollow shell]

@sharp ocean Calamity enemies should not be counting towards the bestiary completion percentage.
Are you experiencing the contrary in-game?

[tardy smelt]

I am extremely happy I made my sulph sea suggestion before 2.0 dropped

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[small timber]

@nimble niche technical issue related with that, the devs do know it and are (trying) to make it happen

basically tmodloader really don't like it when you try to make master mode relic and pets for vanilla bosses to drop in nonmaster mode, devs are trying to find solution

[hollow shell]

^

Our programmers definitely tried

But the bugs in trying to implement it were described as "eldritch"

[frail mantle]

the game shits itself with a capital, cursive, times new roman, bold, rainbow colored way too big S

[crude geode]

God I love how much of a mess coding becomes for like. the smallest reason

“I want this relic to also drop somewhere also”
“Die a thousands times”

[nimble niche]

ah, okay, thanks for the heads up.

[frail mantle]

lava slimes

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Cannot post suggestions to re-add removed features

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message I resent the suggestion that step stool is useless (it grants farther reach both personally and with tools without having to build by slightly more than 2 tiles, and it also doesn't have a hurtbox where the stool is, also worth noting that the slimy saddle is in fact a mount and does not directly replace step stool in every situation as just mounting it grants less tool reach than step stool and you cannot use it for advanced tight reactions like step stool), and it is most definitely intended to be quickly replaced just like everything else in wooden chests, but I also do support it being buffed in some way or another so 😐

[eternal escarp]

you could argue the Wooden Boomerangs gets upgrades

[keen zealot]

because it does

[eternal escarp]

(and Mace but lmao its the lamest upgrade)

[keen zealot]

enchanted boomerang is literally an upgrade now

[eternal escarp]

so suggesting for Step Stool to be upgarded or whatnot isnt that farfetched

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message starter bag should just always drop the items, and give the items a notice (with special coloured text that stands out) that they DO NOT WORK IN NORMAL if in below-expert mode, after all there are several different mods that add various ways to change world difficulty on command after generation, and journey is also a consideration

[lucid flare]

[fossil finch]

Rev states it only works on expert

[keen zealot]

oh cool it's even more pathetic than it used to be

[keen zealot]

but does death or malice?

[small timber]

the thing is the suggestion specifically mention journey not normal mode, for journey mode you can turn on/off expert and master freely

unless they make rev, death and malice item not toggable in journey it is pretty much just time saving from going to a demon altar and craft it

[fossil finch]

Idk but death probably does mention you can only turn it in on rev

[frozen hornet]

It does

Malice mentions needing death too

[fossil finch]

In any case yeah it's kinda irrelevant cuz in journey you get access to all modes

[fervent arch]

Anybody else a bit dissapointed when they had to upgrade their galaxia into ark of cosmos?

Idk i felt like the idea of switch out the two presets was cool

You could like manage your fights

[small timber]

it is likely not changing tbh, since it is that way before the line rework

[fervent arch]

Ye

Im hoping they give some other swords as much passion as they gave ark and biome blade

Really hype to see how they adapt flails to the new animation

[small timber]

there is some iirc, though they are work in progress

[fervent arch]

Ooh

[small timber]

the very least I know is yharim's ultisword line is getting reworked

ya not as huge, but some are coming

[fervent arch]

Ye yharims ultisword pretty boring

I thought exoblade could use a rework

[small timber]

exoblade is mostly terrablade line which I think devs are holding for now

since there is a chance that vanilla 1.4.4 completely rework terrablade

[fervent arch]

Thats true

How fast will tmod switch to 1.4.4?

Does anybody know yet?

[small timber]

depends, no one knows

[fervent arch]

Alr

[small timber]

since no one knows how big 1.4.4 is

[worn dagger]

I have suggession about moving cal pets from calval into main but im not sure if it's what the dev already intended or not. Not sure if it's worth posting a suggession in the channel

[fervent arch]

Idk cuz some calval pets are pretty out there

Like they dont match the mod at all

[worn dagger]

Only for the bosses

[fervent arch]

Oh that would be cool

For like master mode pets?

[worn dagger]

To match the vanilla boss pets

Yes

[small timber]

I think it should be fine? since the calval dev is calamity dev too

so they can like, directly see if they want to implement it

[fervent arch]

I kinda want them to change plaguebringer pet to more closely match queen bee pet

[worn dagger]

The mini pbg from plague set is doing a better job at resembling the pbg boss more than the pet itself

[frozen hornet]

It was done that way because iban thought having everything it currently has and the BB effects is too much to cram into one weapon

[fervent arch]

Should terraprisma be nerfed?

[fossil finch]

Will take like a week at most, but for it to roll to stable you'll have to wait to the start of the next month it's added

[small timber]

funquokka

[small timber]

^

[fervent arch]

alr

[small timber]

I think terrarprisma is probably on the radar tbh, since this patch isnt focus on balancing yet

since they did change it from day EoL exclusive to normal, I will imagine it is definitely on the rebalance list somewhere (and the full power terraprisma was scal viable tier)

[fossil finch]

Feedza jumpscare

[cobalt pewter]

tr

[half sage]

they're not gonna delete a vanilla item

also I thought you get recalls from the starter bag

unless that got changed in 1.4

[frozen hornet]

Recalls are faster than mirrors

that's all I think

And ye they can't remove vanilla items

[fossil torrent]

that's why i mentioned rework

[fossil torrent]

you can make them unobtainable

[plush oyster]

is it really that powerful? I thought it was on-tier with the stardust staves

[unreal lark]

plus potions of return are a thing in vanilla 1.4, crafted from some lava fish (i think it was obsidifish?) and recall potions, which are objectively better than any other recall potion or mirror with the sole exception of the cell phone, and even then the cell phone can't allow you to go back to where you initially used the potion

[frozen hornet]

why would they though

[fossil torrent]

magic mirror from starting bag might be added in the 1.4 port since i don't see it on the wiki

[fossil torrent]

because they have literally 0 purpose

[frail mantle]

the point of them is ig being more of an emergency tool than magic mirror

[frozen hornet]

You have 0 purpose tbh..

[fossil torrent]

literally nobody does that

[frail mantle]

if you're about to get your shit kicked in you might not have enough time to magic mirror out of danger

[frozen hornet]

Kid named nobody:

[frail mantle]

i am nobody

[fossil torrent]

fo real

speed up magic mirror then

remove inconveniency, streamline game, everyone happy

[unreal lark]

bumping this up because potions of return are objectively good and literally use recall potions in the crafting recpie

[fossil torrent]

potions of return are good yes

but just make them include the recall pot recipe in their recipe

[small timber]

since when does starter bag give magic mirror?

[plush oyster]

it doesn't

[fossil torrent]

and you're both on 1.4?

that's very odd, because i don't know how else i'd have gotten it at the start of the game with only calam and default qol enabled

[small timber]

what "default qol" is there?

[fossil torrent]

magic storage, recipe browser, etc

don't mistake me for an idiot

[night jolt]

In Journey Mode

[fossil torrent]

ah

[night jolt]

The Magic Mirror in the starting bag is exclusive to Journey Mode

[fossil torrent]

that explains it

[night jolt]

In fact it isnt even in the bag

[fossil torrent]

that's enough to just delete the suggestion tbh

[night jolt]

Its just something you spawn with in Journey Mode

[fossil torrent]

though i still think the recall potion/magic mirror system is pretty weird

[unreal lark]

journey characters start with a magic mirror by default (they also start with finch staff, fledgling wings, and a hook, as well as a full set of iron tools)

[fossil torrent]

yes you're late

[unreal lark]

isn't that already a thing in calamity tho? lol

oh wait, it isn't actually lol

[night jolt]

I'd suggest that Recall potions could be used during boss fights before, but if they're used, they instantly forfeit the fight and the boss despawns

That way they'd have a niche in Hardcore mode

[fossil torrent]

this is true

homeward bone

[unreal lark]

i remembered that after i sent the message, mb

still, this is a decent idea, and it definitely makes sense

[fossil torrent]

(wait do you mean that you already suggested that or)

[unreal lark]

(no)

[fossil torrent]

(not you)

[unreal lark]

(kinda sounded like it but ok)

[fossil torrent]

(what did you even say that could be intepreted as having been a suggestion)

[night jolt]

Allow Recall Potions to be used during Boss Fights again

Its easier than ever to get a Magic Mirror in Calamity, hell you even spawn with one in Journey Mode. And since they removed the ability to use them during Boss Battles, they are now almost completely useless in comparison to the Magic Mirror. I think the fix here is simple. Let you use Recall Potions during boss fights again, but instantly forfeit the fight by despawning the boss once you use them. Now they have a niche usecase in Hardcore mode, and a reason to use them over Magic Mirror in at least some circumstances.

Feel free to use this. You might get tagged for a lack of reason or something

[fickle thistle]

@still zodiac death
(+ the funny blades themselves)

[still zodiac]

#suggestions-discussion question mark

[fickle thistle]

wtf am I stupid

[still zodiac]

hi stupid bye stupid

[fossil finch]

Recall pots already have a niche in hardcore, their animation's faster than mirror's, lmao

[cobalt pewter]

we balancing off hardcore now

(don't)

[small timber]

@fossil torrent sorry a bit late, but I will imagine it will have extremely obnoxious impact on Multiplayer (1 friend misclick = BOOM your boss with 10% hp left despawn), and the convenience of legally forfeiting the boss fight will make Hardcore playthrough a non-challenge, since even with previously when you can recall at will you still have risk of boss with global enrage

[fossil torrent]

don't misclick

[small timber]

I think if your intention is to just make magic mirror better, just suggest upgrades for magic mirror where it have speed as fast as recall potion, and done

instead of like, introducing a lot of convoluted new mechanic for a feature that really will only cause problem

[drowsy plank]

u wanna know how to forfeit a boss fight in hardcore? autopause + save & exit

lmao

[small timber]

... and the convenience of legally forfeiting the boss fight... (ok I probably should have use a better word of ethically, but ya hardcore balancing)

I just think having recall potion to despawn boss is just, bizarre and unneeded, and the basis of the suggestion is purely to make it differentiate from magic mirror

@spare reef the devs are set in stone in terms of making slime god the penultimate boss of pre-Hardmode and with Queen Slime staying in HM, and they already find lore accurate ways to make it make sense

so you need to like, try way harder to convince them to think otherwise, the "fight god before queen" reasoning is no way near enough since their decision are already taken this into consideration

[spare reef]

fair enough, can i see where this is said?

[small timber]

they haven't officially declare the full lore yet, but it is something similar to this, let me find

^

or if you want a simple version is just slime god exist before hallow exist and slime god absorbed corruptions/crimson, and hallow is stronger than corruption/crimson, queen slime absorbed hallow, therefore queen slime is stronger than slime god

(and there are other things mentioned, I vaguely remember something like slime god being a false god)

[spare reef]

alr thank you

[small timber]

isnt goblin battle standard already have massively reduced cost? it is 5 tattered cloth only now
it is an amount that you can relatively easy to get just by going to the ocean (easier now with conch) and probably get it in a single battle potion

[night jolt]

Also Tattered Cloth isn't hard to get at all

Just build a platform right above the Ocean and wait

[deft yew]

[inner anvil]

Wait til' we try to make dolls stackable and the game crashes.

[deft yew]

too much hardcode

[fervent citrus]

has anybody suggested boss trophies dropping from no dmg wins before?

[small timber]

try to make wooden blocks don't burn or destroy by lava: entire motherboard exploded while loading the game

[fervent citrus]

would be much nicer than getting trophies from every boss all the time, kinda makes them lose their purpose of victory

[small timber]

you can suggest that though I think it is abit too convoluted (and pointless)

[fervent citrus]

wood doesnt burn tho

[fervent citrus]

you're pointless

[small timber]

(since this get approved so you just have to kill it normally once)

(no no-hit included)

[fervent citrus]

well, if someone already suggested it imma head out

[fossil finch]

Locking fucking trophies to nohit rewards wouldn't be very nice for some people

[fervent citrus]

wait but thats a first time kill thing

[fervent citrus]

but right now they serve literally no purpose other than proof that you've beaten the boss

[fossil finch]

Yeah?

That's what trophies do

Irl

[small timber]

trophy had always been able to drop regardless of kill number, that suggestion in particular just make sure first kill always drop trophy

(so if you accidently loss it you just have to refight boss until you get the 10% drop, just first kill is free)

[fervent citrus]

trophies don't show completion, they show achievement

not that it matters here

[dense ferry]

Oh, this got approved?

[fervent citrus]

cuz items from bosses do the same except better by having a use

[fossil finch]

They also wouldn't serve more purpose as nohit rewards, they would instead prove that you went and 5 tiers later oneshot the boss

[small timber]

ya, I didnt particular agreed with the suggestion either, just though it do get approved so it means devs prefer it

[fossil finch]

It's just locking vanity behind a challenge some people will not be able to do on tier and that's mean

[fervent citrus]

same goes for the other items

[small timber]

ye, 👍 means the dev approved of it in the dev server

[fossil finch]

All nohit rewards got removed from the mod for a reason

[fervent citrus]

its just vanity anyways

[small timber]

(though implementation sometimes take time since they have a list to check off before doing suggestion stuff)

[fervent citrus]

why would anyone be mad over that

[fossil finch]

Because some people want to do their nice trophy rooms on tier?

It's just vanity anyways why does it need to be locked behind nohits

[fervent citrus]

same could be use against that argument

[small timber]

I think the fair adjustment of your nohit trophy suggestion will just make it so nohit always drop trophy, if you didnt no-hit it just have 10% drop like normal

[fervent citrus]

"its just vanity"

[small timber]

but ya since the dev just want it to drop for free probably doesnt work well

[fervent citrus]

currently the trophies are just sort of there, and serve no purpose

[fossil finch]

You see the problem with the its just vanity argument

It goes both ways and it's just stronger when everyone can access vanity easily because they want it

[fervent citrus]

you were the one who brought that argument up

[fossil finch]

They serve a purpose, being decoration

Them being nohit "rewards" would not change that purpose as you yourself know

[fossil finch]

()

[fervent citrus]

again, a config would make this simpler

"trophies drop from nohits" would be neat

[fossil finch]

Configs like this just patch the subjective thing and at that point why would devs bother

[small timber]

preferably don't make a suggestion require config unless it is absolutely necessarily tbh

since config is like, the absolute band aid solution when there is no good alternative

[fervent citrus]

hm, true

welp, nvm then

[cobalt pewter]

this is some extra rover text sugg

if you want Tattered Cloth so bad, sugg for Goblin Scout to be more common instead

why does everything needs to be crafted

plus the reasoning of "calamity liking progression skips" is weak because most of cal's progression skips are from beating bosses 5-6 tiers than you logically are at the moment, and they never do something like that on events, ones that are easily done just with extra time

and as already mentioned earlier, Tattered Cloth is relatively common already and Battle Standard is just 5 cloths (and permanent use) so ?????

@kindred creek

[small timber]

(this too)

[frail mantle]

tbh it doesn't really make sense that she drops broken hero swords at all

[unreal lark]

Well, at least they have a new use in journey's end

Terra toilet

But yeah, they're now post Plantera

[soft quest]

calamity needs to be craftable.

as we know calamity takes a lot of time to complete a full run, I suggest adding a crafting recipe to make a calamity (like 4 dirt at a demon altar)

[pastel crow]

The only weapon on this list that isn't post plant (not including Bloody Edge because it's being changed) is Abyss blade, which is currently a terrible weapon that no one uses, I think it would be fit to remove cal clone's BHS drop entirely.

[timid talon]

the only reason i said to make cal clone drop BHS after plantera has been defeated is because cal clone could be an alternate way to farm for all of the needed BHS's. mothron is easier than cal clone, but drops the item at a 25% chance, while cal clone is clearly harder, but drops the sword at a 100% chance

[pastel crow]

with 6 of its previous crafting recipes deleted I think that an alternate way to get the bhs is unnecessary

[timid talon]

yeah, alright. then, should i edit my suggestion to suggest that cal clone no longer drops BHS?

[pastel crow]

I think so yes

you could add the stated reason why that we discussed above if you believe it would help

[timid talon]

there we go, i deleted the original suggestion and added the new one so that i could add the relevant parts of the discussion

[grim tusk]

@eternal shard you can disable stealth invisibility in the configs

Also there’s the stealth meter

[eternal shard]

Im just trying to disable stealth from potions like the stealth potion that although is amazing makes you compeltely invisible so its hard to tell where you are after drinking it

[grim tusk]

Oh shadow potion, yea dont drink it unless you’re getting into combat

I also dislike the invisibility from it

[eternal shard]

Its so bad, im trying to fight bosses with it for the extra stealth gen and man, is it not worth not knowing where you are for it

[night jolt]

Simple solution actually

Drink an inferno potion

[worn salmon]

or the potion with the electric aura

[night jolt]

SMH just get Amidias' blessing and never take damage

[kindred creek]

I took your idea. Thanks.

[drowsy plank]

the goblin scout one is objectively better than the previous one but this is still an absolutely awful suggestion. literally just spend like 5 minutes on the outer edge of the world and you'll easily get 5 goblin scout spawns

i know this because i was building housing in the dungeon and got about 10 tattered cloth while not even looking for it, all pre-Boss as well, did you not smash orbs or something because i feel like you just did not do any testing when suggesting this

increased spawn rates for them id argue would just be annoying at this point considering they're a decently bulky enemy for the early game, and after you've beaten the event already they'd just be a nuisance at best

[eternal shard]

I honestly forgot that was a thing

[timid talon]

with this suggestion (i only just noticed it), the statement is false. from what i've heard a lot of people say, zenith fits perfectly inthe the post yharon stage of the game, because the zenith dps was unchanged. if anything, i would consider moving zenith to probably post exo-mechs

[drowsy plank]

@timid talon yeah we kinda already covered that here. plus that suggestion is already flagged

[timid talon]

oh, so that's what the red exclamation mart emote is for. got it

[eternal shard]

can you buy either of those potions?

[drowsy plank]

you should really read the pins, this is all explained there

[night jolt]

If you're that lazy use Alch NPC, otherwise you can just make em with blood orbs

[drowsy plank]

witch doctor sells them

also alch NPC 🤮

[timid talon]

alrighty

[gray nebula]

tthatd be annoying

grinding a boss over and over again is zero fun

[tight hill]

obviously tweak the rates

[night jolt]

@tight hill That does nothing but make the game tedious and annoying for anyone who wants to use that stuff in a difficulty below Revengeance

[tight hill]

Like maybe have it be like 20% on normal or smth

[night jolt]

No

They were intentionally put in all difficulties because locking them to Rev+ was stupid

They literally undid the difficulty locking for the Expert items

Why would they relock them, and half ass relocking them at that?

[drowsy plank]

not only is this kinda a reversion suggestion which is a big no, it also seemingly got amnesia that counter scarf is post-Skele b/c it's sold by clothier, and is completely unrelated to eye of cthulhu now

[tight hill]

Oh wait really?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[tight hill]

I didn't know that

[drowsy plank]

now u know

[tight hill]

It does make sense lol

Since eoc already drops a dash

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

Xyk tested it last night against SCal, and it's perfectly fine

[drowsy plank]

i already told them

[frosty trellis]

Ark is WAY more broken than the Xenith

Ah

Oke

Ark has Draedon weapon levels of damage against SCal apparently, with a 3:3x kill time, while the Xenith was a full minute slower

[gray nebula]

i mean zenith is hold down click

[frosty trellis]

Even if Ark is harder to ultilize, I don't think having Ark kill SCal a full minute faster is balanced. Faster than the Xenith since it's harder to ultilize? Sure

But not a full minute faster

[ruby plover]

Calamity isn’t properly balanced yet for the 1.4 port 💀

[still zodiac]

Can confirm, ark shreds scal if used properly

[ruby plover]

I think ark is a little strong atm

but yeah that’s not anything unexpected, a weapon being stronger than normal

in this current patch anyway

[swift wharf]

mounted scanner

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

It's why I'm giving 1.4 at least a good month before I go play 1.4

So I can play it when things are more balanced, since things being more balanced is more fun.

Imo

[spark pulsar]

I beat scal recently and dragon pow felt really strong compared to other weapons, including ark of the cosmos. Altho this is in 1.5 so maybe some things were changed in 2.0

[frosty trellis]

Never really used Dragon Pow, so I wouldn't be able to say

I just found Ark good against SCal in 1.5 myself, but didn't realize it was that good

Might also be bc my SCal build was less offensive, but that's just me

[gray nebula]

i mean i hear some ppl say ark deals too little damage for how hard its to use but then apparently its cracked so maybe its just a skill issue from em

but also maybe u kinda gotta be a pro gamer to properly maximize efficiency so itd be sad to nerf its full potential if barely anyone would use it.. mmm depends on all the stats

[grim tusk]

Ark at the moment had some little issues with something and now kill scal in 3:20

[ashen warren]

isnt it just

it isnt affected by melee speed

but tmod is making melee speed increase damage not melee speed rn

so it does way more damage

[frosty trellis]

But then wouldn't it increase Zenith damage as well?

Or any Melee weapon for that matter?

[ashen warren]

it does

but they made zenith not affected by melee speed like every other melee weapon so thats why its not like it

but currently melee speed does not increase even with massive boosts to it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty trellis]

Zamn

Tbf, Zenith and Ark are not affected by Melee speed, so it's a good comparison there ig

[ashen warren]

you misunderstand what i mean, ark is able to recieve melee speed boosts

it just doesnt affect it as the projectile it fires has a set use length and speed

[crude geode]

@unique vector Would the latest sugg constitute “readding removed features”

[distant gyro]

i think no but something similar has been suggested before and rejected

[crude geode]

Can you see if you can find it?

[grave zinc]

@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Malice Mode Guarantee Every Drop from A Boss]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

this one

apparently the bot never forwarded

[crude geode]

Wack

[distant gyro]

in its defense it exclusively states malice mode

and this is for all difficulties

but yeah

death

similarly for malice to drop multiple treasure bags like old arma #suggestions-voting message

[grave zinc]

@waxen flower - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Special Function to Nighttime Astral Infection]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

please everything but turning cnidrian into a whip

[distant gyro]

i would rather have cnidarian go back being melee again than for it to function like a whip

[frail mantle]

i think it's fine for it to just be its own thing separate from whips

[swift wharf]

it takes a bit to get used to

but it's really good

better than snapthorn in certain situations

[grim tusk]

Yea summoner could get more support stuff other than whips and sentries and the “mage” weapons and classless weapons

[hollow shell]

@tight hill You need to explain why this should be done, in your suggestion

If it has nothing to do with exclusivity, wouldn't this just increase grind?

[gray nebula]

calamity does that innit

giving cnidarian tag damage sure

gutting it out of its funky use method for it to be a whip is horrific and vetoed

[fossil finch]

I'M CRYING

"Make weapons boring"

Legitimately

[crude geode]

“Give us cooler summoner weapons”

Cnidarian
“No not like that >:(“

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[fossil finch]

In any case this featured exactly zero reasoning

So it's fine

[gray nebula]

i mean ig its because of the physics that make it hard to use

dont tell anyone but i already coded another item that makes use of the string physics

woops

https://tenor.com/view/they-have-string-physics-download-spirit-mod-string-gif-24361969

[crude geode]

The physics is what makes it cool

[fossil finch]

trolled

[gray nebula]

new item even cooler than cnidarian tho

[crude geode]

This sugg is kinda like asking to remove the funny rag dolls from Garry’s mod

[fossil finch]

Iban eventually maked strings physics from tlou2

[frosty trellis]

More fun and unique ranged weapons so I actually want to play the class again when jkjk or am I?

[crude geode]

Chill.

[gray nebula]

John wulfrum's blunderbuss

when do we have a calamity addon that replaces all the items that have a name starting in "wulfrum" with "John Wulfrum's"

John Wulfrum's battery

[crude geode]

It. features reasoning tho? Like I know it’s an easily dislikable sugg but it still features reasoning.

[gray nebula]

[fossil finch]

Subjective (not enough

Like what it has still wouldn't fit the rules because it's very subjective

There would also be the question of "why a whip instead of making it easier to use"

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Can you check out the most recent sugg in posting and exclaim it if need be, for the reasons above.

[hollow shell]

@carmine bronze See this and below

[swift wharf]

it was a yoyo and you should use it like one

spinning your cursor is very effective

[swift wharf]

not like a terraria yoyo byeah

[ripe owl]

Nerf the Brain of Cthulhu's speed in Malice + For The Worthy
Isn't... Isn't FTW a meme in Calamity?

[frosty trellis]

Wdym?

[hollow shell]

I don't think people should expect Malice+FTW to... work, at all

[dense ferry]

It truly is, but

I think BoC crosses the line

I don't think it should be fixed, just give that fucker a speed cap and it's fine

Because otherwise it's like, literally impossible lmao

[tight hill]

I liked the difficulties having special items that you get for playing them, but I know that won't be re-added so I feel like maybe having higher drop rates for higher difficulties would work as a bit more reason to play higher difficulties than just the challenge

[hollow shell]

Add that reasoning to your suggestion

(Brings up the question of why higher difficulties need incentives for you to play them)

(Difficulty modes in any other game would be just that: difficulty modes
They set the level of challenge that you would feel satisfied playing)

[ripe owl]

Ayup, pretty much fair

[small timber]

@kindred creek best if the suggestion specifies "..Increase Spawn Rate IF Goblin Invasion Havent Happen in the World Yet"

That way once goblin invasion happen once (already do its purpose to spawn tinkerer), goblin scout spawnrate can return to normal

This is because goblin scout is completely useless outside for that one purpose and have it have increased spawn forever will just clog up spawnrate when you actually want to farm items

[ripe owl]

Memes should be memes but at least reasonable why ñb by no

[inner anvil]

Memes.

[ripe owl]

I will spread my memes of true capitalizm and the unfairness of the society

[swift wharf]

I think there are translation addons

Dunno about spanish tho

[hollow shell]

(That translator is quite competent)

[distant gyro]

there is a spanish translation but it's for 1.3

[fossil finch]

Idk how the state of that translation mod for porting is at the moment

[inner anvil]

There is a Spanish Calamity Translation going, although it's for 1.3 and it's literally just one guy.

[fossil finch]

Translation should be official now that funny localization files but that's probably for later