suggestions-discussion

[nimble turtle]

My bad

[eternal escarp]

it happens, i do recommend checking the pins

[nimble turtle]

I saw the “the world” banner in game

[eternal escarp]

it has a document of Donts for suggestions

[tardy smelt]

Wonder if that mightve made it miss my sugg

[night jolt]

Isnt this literally the exact thing used as an example for what not to suggest?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell reference for sake of reference sugg

[grim tusk]

“Because Za wardo”

[pearl fiber]

Rework this, just that

[grim tusk]

Bang

[hollow shell]

I have to assume it was an intentional joke for two people make both of the explicitly disallowed references in one day

This is the first The World suggestion we got in literal years iirc

[tribal sail]

me when sis

[fossil finch]

Crying

Days without za warudo suggs drops down to 0 again

[true inlet]

@vapid fern @nimble turtle

[vapid fern]

why tf did i get tagged 💀

[night jolt]

Actually wait

Isnt there already a reference to The World? I.E. the Time Bolt?

Maybe replace the reference example on the Doc with the Murasama alt fire

[drowsy plank]

no such mention on the wiki trivia which i think is funny

the SHPC used to have a trivia tip about it being a references to the nuclear throne SPC, but it was removed so i have no idea if these things are intended references or what

[hollow shell]

I already added it as a second example

And Time Bolt is not a The World reference afaik

[hot zephyr]

Stellar Knife totally is

[cyan dust]

vanity sets from the modders of calamity like the vanity sets of the creator but modders B)

of course modders of calamity

[half sage]

suggesting items dedicated to devs is a don't

[grim tusk]

And devs here get weapons anyways

[cyan dust]

yeah but i don talking about weapons i just sugest vanity sets

its all XD

[drowsy plank]

man please just read the damn pins it's not that hard

[small timber]

If the devs/modders themselves want a vanity set they will ask their own spriters for it, they probably will have their own preferred design too

[hollow shell]

Back when Patreon had an item tier,

someone actually did suggest a "Thank you to the devs" thing
which slowly evolved in scope (by the devs' will, not the patron's)

from
a single painting
to dedicated things for each dev

Not vanity sets but like, placeables

And now the scope is so high that it fell by the wayside and hasn't been picked up in like over a year

so whoops

[drowsy plank]

lmao wow

[hollow shell]

@last kayak Cannot make suggestions about Calamity 1.4 until it releases first

[last kayak]

k

[hollow shell]

cool

Scams are back

[fossil finch]

im crying

[celest sonnet]

?

[fossil finch]

Just leave meld as an enemy drop
Easy

[celest sonnet]

its a suggestion holy fuck

[fossil finch]

Yeah?

what does that have to do with my comment

[celest sonnet]

ok what

i replied to

[fossil finch]

This is suggestion discussion
Where we discuss your suggestion

[celest sonnet]

wild.

[fossil finch]

I do not agree with your suggestion

[celest sonnet]

wild.

[fossil finch]

Just make meld droprate higher if it's a problem instead of having it be a pillar drop

Easy

[celest sonnet]

cool.

[fossil finch]

Ur aware being dismissive does not help you right

[celest sonnet]

?

Did i ever say i was being dismissive

im literally listening

🤦‍♂️

i mean its my second suggestion

my first suggestion did really really well

[fossil finch]

repeatedly replying monosilabes has never been listening
Also feedback has always involved two parties talking

that's irrelevant?

[celest sonnet]

[celest sonnet]

well thats a given the second part

i cant really cant get a word out cuz i just made a suggestion

idk how people have to make a fuss out of suggestions, yeah i can see mishaps with my suggestion

but its called a suggestion not an implemention

i wasnt trying to influence with my first suggestion

i was just putting it out there

[fossil finch]

That doesn't change anything?

The whole point of the system is that people will most likely have something to say about your sugg before public vote is done which is why this channel exists

Just because it's a sugg does not make immune to criticism or to people disliking it

[golden tulip]

meld deez nuts

[orchid pulsar]

There is already a mod for an upgraded DCU. It was luiafk

[drowsy plank]

ew luiafk

[cobalt pewter]

meld are ooo edgy

it doesn't have much substance in design

for the most part

[unborn oriole]

Tbh you get enought meld from enemies already

You kill a minimun of 100 enemies per pillar

If i recall correctly

So at least 400~ meld blobs

About 133 meld constructs, enought for pre-ML meld arsenal

You can alway redo pillars post-ML with ML's drops and luminite gear

[grim tusk]

@paper jacinth
1- it would be funny is not valid reasoning
2- reference for sake of reference
3- suggestions on donator items are not allowed unless you get permission from the donor

Go read the pinned doc (thats also at the top of #suggestions-posting )

[true inlet]

Big dumb moment

[tribal sail]

how many stars for yes??,

theres one with 188 and one with 200+ and not yes

20%???

i feel like ive asked this before

ima assume its 20%

[distant gyro]

20%

[tribal sail]

im always right

wait if its 20% then why isnt the one with 200 on

was that last week?

[distant gyro]

it's out of the time frame

[tribal sail]

oh

pretty cool

[hollow shell]

@austere zinc You should acknowledge the Abyss's intended stealth mechanics in your suggestion

One of the reasons why stronger enemies can appear earlier than you're able to deal with them
is because you're not supposed to fight them

You're supposed to avoid them, and sneak by them

[drowsy plank]

which is getting a bit of a fix in the most recent changelogs too, right? to make it more effective and make the eels less obnoxious

[unique vector]

somewhat yes

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[cyan dust]

OH. sorry

[novel belfry]

#suggestions-posting message
@paper jacinth I think a better ref would probably be...
"SUCH DEVASTATION!"

[small timber]

oh right I haven't got a closer look on the abyss suggestion

i) in my experience as abyss is designed for stealth (or you can just calm + zen potion), the enemy are allowed to be drastically stronger than it normally do, so the hp nerfs on the enemies is not really needed

the ones that I will agree with is:

ii) layer 4 should have bigger space (since AEW is EXCLUSIVELY fought in there now)
iii) make some of the enemies spawn starting at a different layer will make the layers feel much different (as currently layer 2 is near identical to 3), though because of 1) I will not say they should be nerfed (in fact, probably should be buffed)
iv) layer 3/4 enemy drop more depth cells and lumenyl, but I will definitely not make it exclusive to those enemies only, just make layer 1/2 enemies drop lesser amount

@austere zinc my opinion on the suggestion ^

[hollow shell]

@coral root Your suggestion needs to be formatted properly.
You need to have a title line at the top of your suggestion with reasoning below, separated using a line break (Shift+Enter)

Otherwise, the idea is valid

[coral root]

Lemme get on my pc and edit it 1 sec

eyy is that better

ah would preventing an actual boss from spawning be harder to implement or something

[small timber]

ya the thing is just wyvern is very easy to kill (and it is pretty much only really a nuisance when you are farming for 1 specific item for a specific class accessory)

^ and this too, since the same will have to be applied to many enemies, like Dune Splicer for sandstorm, Tim/Rune Wizard, Earth Elemental...

you get the idea

[hollow shell]

That is better thank you

Though the reasoning should be stronger

[small timber]

the current favourite to disable spawn item have 5 of them being to disable boss spawn, and 1 of them being disable acid rain, with no case of disabling normal enemies

[hollow shell]

Well

Voodoo Demon is the closest

[hollow shell]

Cuz the two cysts and ??? are entities whose death leads directly to a boss spawn
While Voodoo Demons simply drop a boss spawning item

(it's just by the nature of the Underworld it is possible for it to also cause a boss to spawn upon death)

[small timber]

ya I think that should be justified enough though, it is not uncommon (especially summoner) for it to accidently kill a voodoo demon and drop the doll into lava

[inner anvil]

@small timber I think this is already fixed for the 1.4 port.

Except if you're in small worlds, in that case you know.

[small timber]

oh it is? then I will just remove it

I mean small world is small world

[inner anvil]

Indeed.

Unless I'm being crazy, in that case, you should save that suggestion (Sorry if you didn't Ctrl + C that lmao) if it still happens.

[small timber]

already saved just in case, since I thought the fix will be like "make it not generate outside of Sunken Sea", since it do is another problem that currently exist

[inner anvil]

Good.
But yeah, while we were dealing with the new desert height in 1.4, we should've fixed that while we were at that. Would make sense to me.

[true inlet]

double check

nothing in changelogs atleast

[small timber]

actually I might repost the suggestion, since I dont think that seems like the same idea

since the problem I did encounter is that biome lab sometimes generate outside of Sunken Sea which is fixed to make it always generate inside Sunken Sea (at least that is what I assumed is fixed)

however the suggestion is suggesting to move the general location of the biome lab closer to the centre rather than to the edge of the biome, mainly because new player might not be aware of its existence and can very easily miss it; centre serves as a better location for that purpose

(I will just repost it for now)

[inner anvil]

Alright then.

[small timber]

(unless the fixed was to also move it to centre, then in that case I will remove the suggestion)

[inner anvil]

That I do not know.

But I mean, the Sunken Sea rework is gonna' happen, so we'll see.

[small timber]

ye (though since I have no information where the biome lab will located by then I will just based it on the current version for now)

[drowsy plank]

yknow we've had a lot of suggestions about him recently but why is there no GSS spawn stopping item?

[small timber]

mainly because there is no major thing you need to farm in post-Plantera sandstorm I think

the only thing will be like rare sand elemental in a bottle if you want to build HOTE, but you can just farm it pre-Plantera

[drowsy plank]

fair enough ig

most of the other weird items you need from desert are usually farmed underground anyway

and getting the elementals isnt nearly as bad as it used to be

[drowsy plank]

@uncut olive please read the pins, suggesting readding old content is not allowed

also that is no where near formatted correctly

[grim tusk]

And icicle was a meme weapon that was only used in challenge pts

[small timber]

many weapons might be removed because they are boring/redundant, but coldheart icicle is definitely one of the weapon that should not stay

its nature of potentially being literally viable for every single boss in the game (through face tanking) just make it a balance nightmare and bound to be abused

it is unique but not in a good way

[uncut olive]

but i wanted to bri'ish : (

[drowsy plank]

wh... what about coldheart is british??

[golden tulip]

stabbie stabbie lol

[drowsy plank]

lmao ig

there are still shortswords tho

[inner anvil]

@uncut olive Too hard to balance, no.

[grim tusk]

@slim jewel that is not the channel for that go to #calamity-mod-talk

[stable musk]

i wanna go full playthrough will omni directional swinging mod and coldheart icicle

[frail mantle]

just get the mod that readds them then

[dense ferry]

Ah, yes

[covert siren]

Lmao

Exactly what this mod needs

[royal tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-you-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-damn-bro-you-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-not-funny-unfunny-gif-21764390

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Don't do that.

Ok that's a warn

[soft quest]

why do i feel like the only one who actually used every single one of the weapons that were deleted

I will do anything not to use meta weapons

because thats boring and predictable

i'm not complaining that much about the reemoval of those weapons, because comparatively it isnt that much to the amount of weapons that exist in calamity

but I'd rather have weapons left in the dust then removed

"Jarvis, take my argument, put it on a gif of a man arguing to a brick wall sped up, put it in chat"

[drowsy plank]

why tho? if they're always gonna be awful, why even have them? at that point just use vanilla weapons

also that seems weird. like contrarianism for the sake of it, the best thing to do is use the weapons you think look the most fun or have the most interesting mechanics. calamity has no reason to have another 5 shortswords that are practically identical to gold/plat. no reason to have exo gladius when in 1.4 it's just the same as exoblade.

i think this is honestly for the best, so we get more interesting weapons instead of twice as many mediocre ones

[hollow shell]

It's not that the weapons weren't meta
Its that their designs were boring and they usually had their purposes filled by other weapons

(Coldheart was one of the few removed for different reasons.
It was definitely unique but, it was hard to work with to say the least)

[crude geode]

for example, Hadopelagic Echo was literally just a buffed up version of it's predecessor Eidolic Wail. Same with Stratus Sphere and Nebula Arcanum.

[hollow shell]

Stratus Sphere I was surprised to see removed

[crude geode]

same tbfh

but it was cursed to be in a spot with 0 enemy combat

[distant gyro]

i voted stratus sphere out because it looks comical as a weapon

[hollow shell]

Hado I remember was created because we didn't want a resprite to go to waste
And the testers thought that it could be a viable weapon for SCal conceptually cuz of her confined arena

Turns out the latter proved to be the exact opposite, from what I remember

[distant gyro]

the sprite and design were both clunky and that leaves nothing behind

and since meta agreed as the creator of the weapon itself iirc

[soft quest]

And I totally get the argument for less weapons but better design, like I said it doesn’t bother me too much because at the end of the day like I said it isn’t that much weapons. However, cutting some of these weapons didn’t weapons doesn’t make sense to me. I could list at least half of these that I have used and felt very enjoyable to play with. I just like to have a large pool of weapons at every point in the game because that’s a huge part of terraria, being able to take a large amount of paths to the end, that’s all.

I’m not necessarily advocating for their return, just a little sad to see em go, and a bit nostalgia blind (dualploon was my first calamity weapon).

Also stratus sphere is cool as fuck

[covert siren]

I used warblade ._.

Cleaving enemy armor was good and I used it if I had early gobs

[hollow shell]

The issue with having so many options is that each one isn't that much more interesting than the other
Taking out some of the redundancies allows us to focus more of our efforts on the weapons that will continue to exist

[covert siren]

To be honest, the terraria I like isnt a checklist, it isnt get this weapon and do this then this then this, I love finding and crafting new things and testing their abilities. If this helps clear more time and energy for more solid and diverse weapons then im all for it, these weapons arent huge anyways

[ruby plover]

@grizzled gyro check the document in the pins of this channel, tl;dr your suggestion is not valid in basically every single way

[stiff swallow]

interesting i personally thought it was removed despite being a relatively cool and unique item just because it was relatively weak and useless

[small timber]

@white brook add more reason as to why specifically bee based weapon should be upgraded, especially considering post-ML dont really have bee related things

(and ya, a lot of other mage weapon exist)

[white brook]

do i add it here or do i just edit my post

[small timber]

edit the post in #suggestions-posting , it is essential for suggestions to have reasoning

[stiff swallow]

I think "add X" is is not a suggestion they really accept

[small timber]

the main thing is just why specifically bee weapons only, because "if this weapon have upgrades it will be really cool" can apply to a lot of weapons

[white brook]

noted

[sinful steeple]

would a suggestion asking to make the ancient manipulator craft-able using astral ore be alright? i feel like it'd help incentivise the player to beat astrum deus since rn it's not that rewarding to beat it. most of the weapons it drops are outclassed by the time you get them and anything else post deus is only relevant in the very short period between cultist and moon lord

plus it'd also give players more options to fight cultist with if they beat deus early

[small timber]

not sure about that but you can probably suggest that

I dont think there is anything wrong with the idea, just whether the devs like the idea

deus do drop fragments even if LC is not beaten right? just no meld blob and ancient manipulator

[sinful steeple]

it does, though you can only craft the super healing potions with them without ancient manipulator

[small timber]

ya, then the idea is fine, I thought fragments are only post-LC deus, then in that case ancient manipulator do have use

[sinful steeple]

all astral items also need manipulator

[small timber]

oh right forgot about that part

[sinful steeple]

one problem i've realised with this is that then there's extremely little incentive to fight lunatic cultist if the ancient manipulator can be crafted, causing an inverse of what we have now

[small timber]

ya lunatic cultist will pretty much only provide meld blob, especially that ML spawn item is unconsmable

[sinful steeple]

unless you want to fight the pillars, which you don't realistically

meld blob can actually be fished post-deus

[unique vector]

devplans.png

[crude geode]

So true

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's a great weapon, great design, in a way wrong tiering

if it's rebranded in some way and brought back in an earlier tier it'd be goode

everything else removed can go fuck right off tho

[crude geode]

Like one of the weapons after the pillars

that shoots like a nebula cloud

[cobalt pewter]

don't start doing sarcasm in front of me young lad, similarities of the two end at them looking like a big circle

[small timber]

@timber thicket it had always been part of EoL's fight from vanilla and also cal 1.4, and please show your gear for how you get 1-2 shot by EoL

and if you are on Master Mode, do note that even the devs say expect to get nuked by damage on master mode

[timber thicket]

trying not to use wingslot

[small timber]

is it on master mode? because even for expert mode that is almost near glass cannon

[crude geode]

Statis belt and shield

[timber thicket]

malice mode

...

shouldnt be on master mode

[small timber]

is it 1.3 or 1.4? and is it master mode

[crude geode]

EoL

?????

[timber thicket]

1.3

1.3 EoL

...?

[crude geode]

Wacky

I forgot there was a difference

[timber thicket]

it is master

master/malice

[crude geode]

master malice
complains about being one shot

[timber thicket]

...

[crude geode]

[timber thicket]

[small timber]

then that definitely is the case, 1.4 is kinda new so I forgot eol is 1.4 only

since 1.3 malice had damage increase and 1.4 don't, but 1.4 master buff it so much that malice damage dont matter

[timber thicket]

i mean what build should i use then

lemme try a melee build

[small timber]

I think really just expect master mode to 1/2 shot you, because it is brainless stat stacking, as the devs say

[timber thicket]

fair enough i guess

i mean i can dodge most stuff fine but its litterally the trails that get me

[small timber]

the game is balanced for expert revengeance (almost has been), and master basically stack 50% on top of it, for now the devs basically say "if you choose to play master mode it kinda is your fault"

[timber thicket]

fair enough i guess..

[small timber]

ya, though if it is specifically added by calamity I will say the suggestion is fine, though since it is added by vanilla itself it is kinda

since the trail dealing damage had always been a thing even for vanilla EoL, and they deal as much damage

[timber thicket]

fair enough
i mean calamity has reworked vanilla stuff so

i mean for melee what would a good buold be

[crude geode]

#help-advice-read-pins

[small timber]

partially because in my own experience after you get used to the trail doing damage you will account for it and dodge out of the way (so you dont get into the trail range when dodging other attacks), so ya for now just try to fight EoL more to get used to it

master cal will probably not be super enjoyable, but I think that will have to do for now

[hollow shell]

(If it's Malice Master then why is the UI not showin that)

(In fact, no Rage/Adren bars either)

[ashen warren]

you arent on rev+ no

[hollow shell]

Did this person just think Malice was another name for Master?

[crude geode]

Woah.

Wack

[ashen warren]

sounds likely ye

[small timber]

(and also it is near full glass cannon on master so 1/2 shot is not surprising)

and the suggestion in particular I had the same problem with vanilla EoL, until I fight it like 20 more times then it become a complete non-issue

[ashen warren]

#help-advice-read-pins

@analog hull that is not a suggestion

[analog hull]

oh, thanks mb

yea mb

[ashen warren]

(delete it from channel pretty please 🥺 )

[hollow shell]

I got it

[true inlet]

well it worked for him I guess

Right mind, wrong place

[small timber]

also btw while this patch is not mainly to add a lot of content/boss changes etc, is there like restriction similar to last update (exo mechs) where some new changes cannot be suggested for like a week or something like that?

[alpine zealot]

When I turn on the calamity mod my game speeds up does anyone have this problem? The character runs faster, cutting and mining is also faster

[small timber]

#help-advice-read-pins probably can help you more

[alpine zealot]

thanks

[small timber]

oh that, I am not sure about game speeds up

but characater run faster, cutting and mining is also faster is added by calamity yes

[alpine zealot]

thanks so its ok

[small timber]

ya it is normal, basically calamity think the early progression is abit too slow so they make player faster by default

[alpine zealot]

thanks man

[thin dirge]

shouldnt the class setup on the wiki be updated

[ashen warren]

it will be

it takes time

feel free to contribute

[crude geode]

Class setups should be deleted

[keen zealot]

TRUE

[terse sundial]

True

[gaunt tiger]

Is master mode balancing on the agenda?

[terse sundial]

Except it can't be since it's a necessary evil

No, we are ignoring master mode entirely

[gaunt tiger]

Sadge

I didn't know that before starting my world, could I suggest that the game gives you a pop-up if you try to make a world on master that warns you?

[terse sundial]

We could do that

[gaunt tiger]

<3 it could also say that all master drops have been moved to rev+

[terse sundial]

Something like that, yeah

[gaunt tiger]

Oh are the gold statues rev too?

[terse sundial]

I think so

[gaunt tiger]

Hypers

[frail mantle]

calamity bosses drop relics in rev+ but vanilla master drops don't

[gaunt tiger]

Oh fr?

That should be changed too if so

[frail mantle]

the game shits itself when they tried moving the vanilla master drops, apparently

[gaunt tiger]

Maybe master mode modifiers could be disabled while in rev+? Would that be doable?

[frail mantle]

same thing happened with the fargo's devs when they tried making relics and shit available in emode as well

[gaunt tiger]

that just seems like the easy way to do it if it is possible
turn master mode modifiers off if you're in a calamity difficulty mode
or better yet just literally turn off master modifiers full stop

[small timber]

(still hold this opinion) I think the only thing master need is just make rev and death don't increase boss stat in master (since master already increase by more than that amount already), then at least it is like, playable

[gaunt tiger]

yo that'd be cool

either way

[lucid flare]

What If I Made a suggestion to repurpose the old hadopelagic echo sprite for the eidolic wail

[small timber]

@solid latch add more valid reason as to why this will be a good idea other than "haha PIGGY", especially considering boss content and events are considered to be a large development commitment

you need to have very strong reasoning for that, especially if you want a very specific one (especially it dont fit calamity at all) at that

it adds another event and a new boss is not a valid reason, you need a valid reason as to WHY a new event and a new boss need to exist

especially if your entire reasoning is "it will be funny" is not considered a valid reasoning

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing (basically follow this ya)

[golden tulip]

thanatos' beam already uses shaders wym

if anything Ohio got updated to look as good as thanatos' beam

@fervent arch not gonna happen

[fervent arch]

y not

[gaunt tiger]

sigh

[golden tulip]

because zenith's damage falls right into the auric tier

and nerfing it would make such an iconic weapon pointless

[small timber]

I am unsure about ark of the cosmos "shredding" bosses at that point, if it do it don't seem to be intended because they didn't buff the weapon nor change the bosses

[night jolt]

OH crap, with 2.0 out, the floodgates for suggestions are bustied way open

[golden tulip]

yep

[small timber]

@gray cypress armageddon is deliberately removed for the reason that cal don't want nohit to be a main mode, now nohitter use a mod called "nycro's nohit efficiency" instead, which is basically the official armageddon now

[unique rivet]

"Suggestions"

90% of em are more "i disagree with change X" suggestions

[gray cypress]

oh, i didnt know that

[small timber]

(reaver shark one I am not sure about anymore, since they said they want to move meteor back to pre-boss but they step back on the decision, they did want to revert revert shark to 100% pickaxe power also just I am unsure if they decide against it just like meteor)

[fervent arch]

ark has homing, zenith does not, ark has parrys and dashes, zenith does not

even galaxia which is cosmilite does better then zenith

[golden tulip]

ark has more mechanics but that has nothing to do with viability

[small timber]

zenith is supposed to deal way more damage than ark of cosmos at that, and I am pretty sure ark of the cosmos don't shred scal and exo, at all

[fervent arch]

unless they buff zenith there will be no reason to use it in a fight when you could be using galaxia or ark of cosmos

[small timber]

so if ark is shredding now it is likely not intended

[golden tulip]

what

have you used zenith on the endgame bosses?

🐌

[fervent arch]

i just tested and ark did literally 700k dps while zenith did 300k lmao

[small timber]

have you tested it on bosses?

[golden tulip]

700k dps

ok lol

[small timber]

it ark actually deal 700k scal died in 3 seconds

[novel timber]

I mostly just like the way Ohio beam looks now

[fervent arch]

against a bunch of dummies to be fair

[novel timber]

it feels very fiery and powerful

[small timber]

that immediately invalidate any testing you do

[fervent arch]

which shouldve given zenith the advantage cuz it was 25 dummies lined up

[fervent arch]

fair

[small timber]

just use it on the bosses itself rather than dummies

[fervent arch]

i mean against a single dummy zenith does 9k ark does 20k

[golden tulip]

thanatos' is even better

[small timber]

zenith should perform similarly, if not better than ark

there are other things to consider, like whether the target is static, base damage enemy defense, enemy DR, enemy movement....

[frail mantle]

zenith has been tested on both SCal and the exo gang and was found to be perfectly tuned for both with no balance adjustments

[small timber]

zenith in general is pinpoint accuracy while ark have a lot more variant because of its variance of moves

[frozen hornet]

Zenith barely needs aiming or skill to use, you just point at something and click

[golden tulip]

test it on the bosses, please, before you suggest

[eternal escarp]

insert zenith videos

[frozen hornet]

Okay butlast now they can test it themselves

[fervent arch]

just did on dog ab to do on supreme cal

[golden tulip]

but why on dog

why

[stable musk]

Zenith retier to post dog will make yharon more like a joke rather than a boss

[novel timber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711268703991365642/989568597993062440/20220624000721_1.jpg https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711268703991365642/964106898188165150/unknown.png

[stable musk]

Zenith can easily reach auric tier dps even without minmaxing

[golden tulip]

proving my point

[frozen hornet]

Better beam iirc..

[golden tulip]

propaganda

[fervent arch]

Zenith is useless against supreme

And exos

[solid latch]

Agreed

[fervent arch]

Just tested it

[frail mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkDricKnTY4

[gaunt tiger]

looks pretty strong to me chief

[fervent arch]

Ark of cosmos takes 2 mins zenith takes 2 mins 50 secs

[golden tulip]

you said useless

[fervent arch]

It is

Compared to ark

Its useless

[golden tulip]

no it just means one weapon is better than the other

[gaunt tiger]

^^

[fervent arch]

By a lot tho

[golden tulip]

if anything that's more ark's fault then

[fervent arch]

Also i tested ark against exos without buffs

[golden tulip]

because i dont think a 2 minute killtime is intended

[fervent arch]

So it probs is better

Well then nerf ark

Either way make zenith more on tier

So its actually used

[golden tulip]

so all of this really didnt help you with anything huh

jesus christ

[fervent arch]

I shouldve corrected my original post

[fossil finch]

Mfs already using zenith more it's zenith

[frail mantle]

@earnest ether
to quote Ozz, "Fargo's tried to make the relics drop in master mode OR emode, and the result was that the entire C# runtime crashes instantly when you try to IL edit the master mode drops"

[fervent arch]

I just want zenith to be useful cuz its a fun weapon

[fossil finch]

Oh my god no don't add more swords to zenith

[frail mantle]

vanilla Master items are supposed to be available in expert rev+ too, but because of the reason stated above currently only the Calamity relics are available in expert rev+

[gaunt tiger]

craig do you know if the suggestions I made about disabling MM stat changes in Rev+ or disabling Rev+ stat changes in MM is possible?

[frail mantle]

basically: they would but the game shits itself if they try so for now no

[fossil finch]

Why would you disable mm stat changes in rev+

Literally all mm does

[frail mantle]

i think it might be possible? i'm not a coder though, i'm just repeating what i've heard from people who know what they're talking about more than i do

[gaunt tiger]

a maybe is better than a for sure no
thank you!

[gaunt tiger]

cos they stack, and it means the damage is wonky

[frail mantle]

it doesn't seem like the type of thing that would be nearly impossible to do

[grim tusk]

@pearl cedar pretty sure that happened

[frail mantle]

then again neither does making relics non master exclusive or making lava slimes not actually drop lava and we know how both of those went

[grim tusk]

@gray cypress install nycro’s nohit efficiency

[earnest ether]

Why does it do that? Isn't it just the same as any item?

[pearl cedar]

pretty sure what happened

[grim tusk]

Reaver shark nerf reverted

[frail mantle]

apparently they aren't

[unique vector]

oh god i forgot to check here

oh god oh fuck

[grim tusk]

@fervent arch Zenith is way too powerful for those tiers, heck competes with Photon ripper and other exo tier stuff last time I checked

[golden tulip]

we already went through that discussion

[earnest ether]

Weird because the users in Fargo's server said that boss pets and relics dropped in eternity expert

[pearl cedar]

oh fr?

[fervent arch]

Yeah i agree but i think zenith should be a lil but buffed so it competes with other auric weapons

[frail mantle]

[pearl cedar]

it didnt say anything in the changelog about it so i just assumed

[unique vector]

@ashen warren draedon gores represent u killing one of his machine copies

so ur entire reasoning doesnt make sense

[grim tusk]

Yep, used Reaver shark to catch up to the rest of the testers (time zones moment) since I did not kill EoW with the rest of the team on the mp testing

[unique vector]

i would instead suggest something like making his dialogue more clear to people to know you didnt really kill him, or something like that

[fervent arch]

Or aoc should be nerfed cuz it shreds supreme calam

[grim tusk]

AotC is perfectly fine

[fervent arch]

Lmao what

[grim tusk]

Can kill faster if you use more brain cells and use parrying

[ashen warren]

oh

[fossil finch]

Aotc will literally be worse than zenith for most people because it's not as straightforward to use properly

[grim tusk]

But if you use only Calamity and Vanilla accessories and go with the testing guidelines it kills Scal and Exos perfectly fine

[unique vector]

storm

[grim tusk]

?

[fervent arch]

Ark of the Cosmos > Exo Blade, Elemental Excal

[unique vector]

is the bee gun upgrade sugg against sugg rules

i cant tell

[fervent arch]

While still being pre exo

[grim tusk]

Its not so specific so I guess its fine. Oh wait no reasoning

[fossil finch]

It's kinda invalid

[frail mantle]

reasoning is a bit weak i'd say

[fossil finch]

Has no reasoning

[grim tusk]

How tf is elemental excalibur worse than those, Exoblade needs a rework lol

[fossil finch]

Sugg flooding (its fine they will all kill eachother

[fervent arch]

If u can parry and time, ark is way better than elemental excal

[unique vector]

@white brook not gonna exclaim your sugg, but try to add more reasoning than “it’d be fun to add this”! right now you arent really being persuasive as to why we should make an upgrade

[grim tusk]

Wh

How tf does it beat a shadowspec weapon

[unique vector]

@gaunt tiger whats broken with master mode?

[fervent arch]

Just how op it is at its current stage

[unique vector]

i dont think we’ve intentionally left anything broken

sounds more like a bug report than a suggestion

going to exclaim that one

[grim tusk]

Oh that makes more sense since Ele excalibur has to compete with hammer, earth and red sun
But AotC is perfectly balanced

[fervent arch]

It doesnt actually beat elemental excal with dps but at where its placed in the game its a suprisingly close match between the two swords

[gaunt tiger]

the stuff stacks, and I've been told by multiple mods/devs that it shouldn't be played in current state

[unique vector]

@pearl cedar how do you know its worthless, what makes it worthless?

[gaunt tiger]

ex. exomechs oneshot you apparently

[unique vector]

what makes other things better, whats the benefit of making it better again

can you explain these more clearly

your reasoning is a bit subjective

exclaiming it

[fervent arch]

Imo it ruined the exo mech fight and supreme calam fight with how fast it went

[grim tusk]

(And people say AotC is shit on other places lol)

[fervent arch]

Those ppl usually cannot time/parry whatsoever lol

[unique vector]

we tell you not to play it bc we dont like it

[grim tusk]

Well if you used the parrying right, good for you and you deserved it

[unique vector]

if ur only referring to balancing then you can instead suggest “remove mode dmg stacking with Master Mode and calamity difficulties”

[grim tusk]

1.2 is fine for the dmg mult on it, anything stronger was op as fuck, anything weaker was shit

[unique vector]

or something along those lines

[gaunt tiger]

ok so as per my first suggestion why does the game not tell you that? I didn't know that until today and I use this discord
imagine people who don't use it

[gaunt tiger]

ah yeah that is what I meant

[unique vector]

why would we tell you how to play the game in the game

[gaunt tiger]

that is exactly what I was trying to ask for, lemme edit the post

[unique vector]

we’re not telling you not to play it out of a technical reason

we just dont like the mode

thats all

[robust lava]

There already is a sugg to give a warning about playing Master w/ Calamity

[unique vector]

i dont personally see a reason why we should tell ppl “dont play this”

yes this is what we’re talking abt

that sugg lol

[robust lava]

Wait that is your sugg oops

[fervent arch]

@next verge u know u cant use zenith til post yharon right?

[unique vector]

😇

[gaunt tiger]

there I edited it

[unique vector]

#suggestions-posting message @gaunt tiger isnt this basically the same thing

?

ah thats the one you edited

[gaunt tiger]

ya I just edited the post now lol

[unique vector]

im keeping your other sugg exclaimed then

[fervent arch]

Post supreme calam sword that uses zenith would be cool

[unique vector]

since its redundant

[night jolt]

@earnest ether the pets and trophies are Master exclusive because if they weren't, there'd be absolutely no benefit to playing Master Mode

[unique vector]

oh wait

no

you edited the original

[ashen warren]

mode suggests?

[gaunt tiger]

thank you for the suggestion to edit for clarity, I hope it helps get it through

[next verge]

that means you can use it againts SCalamitas :p

[unique vector]

yea

npnp

[gaunt tiger]

I personally quite enjoy MM cos I hate myself, but I don't hate myself so much that I want it to stack with Rev+

[fervent arch]

Its not too good against scal tho

[gaunt tiger]

lol

[fervent arch]

Like its alright

But its not game breaking

[unique vector]

@earnest ether read my FAQ doc please

😃

[fervent arch]

Its a fair match up imo

[gaunt tiger]

how does a suggestion go to a vote?

[unique vector]

its pinned in #calamity-update-talk

uhhh the voting process it outlined in pins here

[gaunt tiger]

ty

[unique vector]

your post has to wait a full 24hrs for manual review

yeh

[gaunt tiger]

oic!

[unique vector]

then it goes through voting process

[gaunt tiger]

that makes sense, awesome

great work on the update to everyone, and thx

[unique vector]

ty!

@next verge your sugg is kinda all over the place

like, wdym its OP on cal bosses

which bosses? whats making it OP?

have you tried it on the intended bosses with the new recipe?

what makes your suggestion better than the current change to it? why would we want it to be post-endgame vs. auric tier?

im gonna exclaim your sugg, ping me if you’re revising it

[golden tulip]

the trophies are master exclusive because they just couldnt get them to work on rev+ lol

[unique vector]

the vanilla ones are exclusive for now

the calamity ones should be obtainable im rev

and master

[small timber]

wait that is on exo or scal

because if it is scal then show your loadup, because even on nohitter setup it is very hard to get under 2 minutes with constant adrenaline, same for exo

@novel timber (while not super important I think it might be beneficial to post the example image you use in your suggestion, I dont think everyone had seen the updated visual yet; it will get your point clearer across)

[novel timber]

yeah that sounds good

[grim tusk]

Glass cannon, rippers and possibly alch npc, alcohols, odd mushroom, regular Cal testing standards do not kill stuff that fast, heck even nohit mnl aint that small

[soft quest]

ok I take back what I said and want to eat shit, after seeing some of the 1.4 weapons I am all for removing some weapons to make others better

[unique vector]

copium mindset to sigma grindset

[pearl cedar]

I don't think its copium, its a desire to see content remain in the game instead of removing it

[golden tulip]

no its copium

[pearl cedar]

copium is the devs dismissing every dissenting opinion as ignorant and wrong

[golden tulip]

at least they present valid arguments with their claims

[fossil finch]

Ah yes copium is the devs dismissing opinions because We Must Blame The Devs

[earnest ether]

Thank you!

[earnest ether]

I wonder how Terraria Mod Devs keep going on with the amount of people shitting on them

[tawdry wadi]

Will Calamity's massive movement speed and acceleration ever be toggleable on the mod's config?

[unique vector]

its a Joke

joke as in “omg this person is enlightened now”

i am not berating them by saying copium mindset lol how is rhat even insulting i dont udnerstand

[crude geode]

grrr cal devs bad I hate change I hate change

Anti cultist sugg #37747

[golden tulip]

i mean cant say i dont agree

what happened to the other ones

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[golden tulip]

that leads to buff summoner vanilla weapons

now it leads to a biome blade sugg

[crude geode]

Blame pisscord probably

[pearl cedar]

ah i guess im stupid for not getting it was a joke

[crude geode]

It’s already got sent to dev and got 👍

That said it’s still valid ig?

[golden tulip]

i saw an upgrade to the clentaminator which got approved in there

[unique vector]

you're good 👍

[grim tusk]

For anyone entering this server to suggest nerfs to master with rev+ (especially malice)
Calamity does not balance around master, expect combining the modes to be unbalanced and possibly unfair.

[crude geode]

Balancing around master when we already have 3 difficulty modes to balance along with the original expert and normal is kinda difficult

[grim tusk]

@dapper tendon rock will never have uses other than being a trophy and comedic anticlimax

[dapper tendon]

Why

[crude geode]

Bc it’s funny

[grim tusk]

[dapper tendon]

Ok

But i have a request

Not a Suggestion

[grim tusk]

Yea no this is invalid

Not enough reasoning and like why?
Enemies make post-ML less of a boss rush

[dapper tendon]

Ok

[dapper tendon]

They storm me in the Hallow and i cant make a providence arena

[grim tusk]

Solution: Zen potion and peace candles

[dapper tendon]

That's smart

[hollow shell]

@dapper tendon Can you explain why it is annoying? What are you trying to do in those biomes that the profaned spawns are getting in the way of?

[dapper tendon]

An arena

They are so fast

And deal a lot of damge that they kill me so fast with 104 defense

[hollow shell]

Alright

You can add that to your suggestion to support your reasoning

The arena part too, I'd argue that is the more important aspect

[dapper tendon]

I would be happy to nerf them

I had a mod that increased hp and even with 1350 i died so fast

[half sage]

Is it possible to have the fancy/bar UIs change color to reflect the permanent HP/Mana upgrades in cal, and if so, are there any existing plans to make them change color? If not, I was thinking of making a suggestion about it

[hollow shell]

We already have sprites in the works for coloring the new HP bars

so 👍 Coming soon

[half sage]

aight cool

[dapper tendon]

Having the ability to chose the color would be neat

[hollow shell]

That's a suggestion we haven't gotten in a while

You could suggest that (tomorrow)
or someone else could

((as long as you can come up with proper reasoning why it would benefit the mod))

((which is hard to do for vanity but not impossible))

[dapper tendon]

Why can't i suggest now

[hollow shell]

Two suggs max per day

[dapper tendon]

I made like 3 today

And removed one

[hollow shell]

As in two remaining suggs per day
Deleted ones don't count

[dapper tendon]

The reason that it is vanity

It would look cool

But no change on game

[hollow shell]

@mystic shell We will.

Same with whips and pylons

[mystic shell]

WOOOO

Today is a good day thankyou

[unreal lark]

you could just uhh

download better health bar for that

just saying lol

[dapper tendon]

Why download more mods while you can get it in one package

Is my suggestion legit

I removed one of my others suggs

[hollow shell]

Reason could be stronger

[dapper tendon]

What shall i add

[hollow shell]

I dunno, maybe you could mention something like

Calamity adds multiple colors of healthbars, which could realistically lead to someone preferring one healthbar color over the other. But unlike vanity sets, you cannot choose which one you want to use and are instead forced to use the most recent upgrade's color. So adding the ability to choose a color would make it consistent with existing vanity.

[unreal lark]

... While that isn't wrong, some mods just can't do everything lol
And as great as it is, Calamity is no exception.

[unreal lark]

rainbow health bar vanity accessory when

[dapper tendon]

Done

[dapper tendon]

I need that

[hollow shell]

I'm fine with you using my reason word-for-word but at the very least take out my first line which was just part of the conversation...

[dapper tendon]

Ok

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[crude geode]

While I generally agree with the sugg, getting to hell isn’t exactly the easiest task pre boss @open stag

@kindred creek bruh

[gray nebula]

yea saying its pre boss is a bit silly cuz like i mean its like, its hell

[hollow shell]

Equinox there is literally a Blood Pact suggestion in posting at this very moment

[gray nebula]

the freeform progression of early hm is just bizzare to balance

• update not balanced

[crude geode]

very true

can’t believe melee got another Amidias trident smh my head

[kindred creek]

I can make my own suggestion. Just because someone has another idea doesnt invalidate mine.

[hollow shell]

It causes competition

It makes it less likely for either one of your suggestions to get through

Because some people will agree with one sugg and not the other, and decide to refrain from voting on one for that reason

Whereas if there's only one suggestion, all people who want Blood Pact to be reworked will vote on that one suggestion

[crude geode]

It’s also just kinda. rude.

[kindred creek]

Yeah, but I don’t like the other suggestion so I’m proposing mine. If someone said the zenith should be a true melee weapon in a suggestion and another person afterward suggested buffing it’s damage, would you say the second person’s idea shouldn’t be suggested because there is already another suggestion?

[hollow shell]

No, but if one suggestion proposed "Rework Zenith" and then another suggestion proposed "Rework Zenith", then I would have a problem with that

You can hold onto your Blood Pact suggestion for now and wait for the other one to fall out of its relevant voting period, then you can repost it

Give it a week or two weeks

[kindred creek]

There, changed it from “rework” to “buff” as My suggested is more of modifying it’s current effect rather than changing what it does.

Reread it, I changed some stuff as well.

[hollow shell]

Okay, that's better
(I have some more feedback but gimme one sec)

@river glen You should change the title of your Blood Pact suggestion to mention that you want the RNG to change into a cooldown, as your current one is a bit too generic

[hollow shell]

Ok
If your concern is that Blood Pact is too weak because of the difficulty in healing back your health, why are you suggesting two nerfs to counterbalance your buff?
Surely if the item needs a buff, then you wouldn't need to add nerfs to compensate for any buffs you give it, right?

[river glen]

rover is it better worded now?

[kindred creek]

Dude, percent healing is OP af

[hollow shell]

Also, among the existing buffs you are given after crit, is a boost to healing potion effectiveness

[kindred creek]

But that’s only after a crit

[hollow shell]

Yes that's better thank you

[kindred creek]

If it was all the time, fine, but only after a crit is too infrequent to perfectly optimize

[river glen]

k

thx

[crude geode]

I love armchair balancing

[hollow shell]

It is indeed only after a crit
When I played using Blood Pact, I found that to be an engaging mechanic of the accessory
You're waiting until you get crit before you hit H, instead of doing it compulsively, so that way you get the big satisfying heal

But, I suppose that's just my opinyot

[kindred creek]

Imagine if a potion healed for 30% of your HP and you had 1200 HP. That’s 360 health from a portion. Hence why it needs a counter balance.

[hollow shell]

Ok but percentage healing is not inherently OP

[kindred creek]

It is tho

[hollow shell]

1% HP.

What if it healed 1% HP, Equinox

[kindred creek]

But they wouldn’t make the potions do that

That would be stupid.

[hollow shell]

Then it's not inherently OP, is it?

[river glen]

idt the problem with blood pact is the "you cant get back to full hp"

its the fact double crits fuck you over

so badly

[kindred creek]

I find not being able to get back to full HP the worst part

[river glen]

a 50% chance to crit would still screw with you

[kindred creek]

Because it doubles your HP. You should be able to face tank

[river glen]

way more

[river glen]

you cannot face tank with blood pact lol

you get crit for 500 by most calamity osses

even with a tanky build

plus ur better of not face tanking lol

defense damage screws u over

@kindred creek also btw ur nerfing blood pact

25% chance to double crit

geez

that sounds like absolute horror to play with

[night jolt]

Does it really matter that Old Lord Oathsword is obtainable pre boss when you have to go so far out of your way to obtain it that early?

[river glen]

eh u can prob lock it after EoC i dont see a problem....

but yeah hell is pretty hard pre boss

so idk

u go out of ur way u prob deserve it

[open stag]

if i'm gonna be completely honest i'm fine with it remaining in pre-hardmode

it just shouldn't be hardmode level

give it a damage nerf or smth to make up for the fact it's one of the best "tanky" melees

[gray nebula]

mh

.

[hollow shell]

I didn't even know the reworked Old Lord got in this update, frankly

I thought it got scrapped

[gray nebula]

what!

damn

[hollow shell]

I feel its fair for suggestions to be made that are balance-related during this time period

To bring issues to our attention

Also that reminds me!

[river glen]

so my suggestion is all good btw..

or no? just the title that needed fixing...

[hollow shell]

Yeah it was just a title thing

[river glen]

i see

[hollow shell]

You're fine

@spiral nimbus Your suggestion needs to be formatted properly. See the suggestions above yours for reference

Also, you should explain why

[grim tusk]

Final Dawn DOS

this is getting out of hand now there's 2 problematic mobility weapons

[crude geode]

Pre-hm mobility gimmick weapon

[small timber]

I will not ping for this (since others seem to told you already):

Blood Pact is a niche tank option that basically not only increase your max hp but also amplify your regen (as I am aware, you have higher passive regen with higher max hp, at the very least vigorous candle too)

So yes, having a regen build with blood pact is in fact, very important for blood pact. It is not an item you just slot into your build and expect you to become invincible. Double max hp is extremrly strong which is why it come with a massive downside

Your suggestion will make it so healing is even more limited with blood pact as you put the regen on cooldown while 50% crit destroy your hp bar

[drowsy plank]

@novel trellis id suggest removing the weapon idea, it gets a bit SiS-y, it was much more solid asking for some sort of inclusion in some kind of upgrade as a utility more than anything, and even made me consider adding it to my combination building/mining accessory request draft if the one i posted before the 2.0 update fails to pass

also maybe remove the multitude of references to this not being a joke. when you post it it's obvious enough considering it actually does have some utility when building

[novel trellis]

cool! its a really neat gizmo. a shame i unequip it early if i find it because MANA BUFFS GO SHWING

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[small timber]

(I mean steep stool effect is so inherently bad that there is no justificstion that it need to have upgrade/mix with anything)

For building purpose step stool is completely replaced with flying mount, even the slowest one will work

And I had never heard of step stool actually having utility even for preHM, it is obsolete as soon as the player have hook, or even obsolete as its effect is the equivalent of building a single block under the player

[drowsy plank]

that's fair, but sometimes i use king slime mount to reach just a bit higher when breaking walls or placing blocks just a bit higher than the normal build reach

then again you could just.

use an accessory that increases placement reach

or also just

use slime mount like i did

[small timber]

(that is why step stool is complete garbage)

[novel trellis]

hey

it's a fun little tool i think!

and i'll die on that hill.

[small timber]

(soon™️), for step stool to actually have use they will have to like, buff it to 5 blocks high

But then you.have a comically extendible chair

[drowsy plank]

maybe we should have a comically extendible chair

[novel trellis]

i'll become a patron to get this made if i need to

also the stool lets you jump higher

[drowsy plank]

patreon slots are all taken and item requests have been closed for over a year, and i dont think they're gonna reopen anytime soon, if at all

[novel trellis]

damnit

[small timber]

Also tbh step stool in its current stat right now should had been buffed to begin with

Like currently step stool have about as much utility as plants fibre guide, which is not a lot

[novel trellis]

yeah i don't like the plant book

[small timber]

If it is more blocks high it will actually help a lot in preHM building, 1 block is just

[novel trellis]

just buy ropes like a normal man

[drowsy plank]

not true, plant fibre guide lets you actually get an item
stool uhhhhh... does something about 9 other items do better

[novel trellis]

it's only a block?

it seemed a lot more.

[small timber]

It is either 1 or 2 block I think, for step stool

[novel trellis]

piss.

[drowsy plank]

i think a weaker version of a sort of static hook effect could be nice

[novel trellis]

the wiki page says it lets a player reach 4 tiles higher

[drowsy plank]

they meant jump 4 blocks higher

[novel trellis]

no it lets you jump 9 blocks instead of 6

the actual cursor reach is extended

[small timber]

Ok should be 2 block

[drowsy plank]

damn we were all wrong

[small timber]

Reach 4 tiles, player's size is 2 tiles be default, so ya step stool basically extend 2 tile/block

[novel trellis]

regardless

it needs a buff and an upgrade

[royal turtle]

i tested it, it's two blocks

in terms of expanded reach

[small timber]

And in calamity player should reach 7 tiles by default (because of a recent buff) with step stool it become 9 so it is correct

If it is like 5-6 tile it will be useful, if like 10, it will be super useful for building

[royal turtle]

strangely enough the extendo-grip also seems to be 2 blocks

despite the tooltip saying three

[drowsy plank]

probably some kind of vanilla code interaction jank with the calamity changes or something

[novel trellis]

yeah

i do think it could be useful if it was given the old Calamity Charm ™

[stable musk]

i have a question

why "eskimo" in name is offensive?

[novel trellis]

what?

[light iris]

The word is slur used to refer to inuits

[novel trellis]

this is the wrong channel to have this talk in

wait no

my bad

[light iris]

It's cool

[novel trellis]

honestly it's barely armor anyway. probably could just change it to an ice climber reference or something

[light iris]

They changed it to snow armor in vanilla

[novel trellis]

then why put the suggestion in?

it's already changed then

[stable musk]

oh i sense ❗

[novel trellis]

no need to put it here

[light iris]

However calamity adds a synergy to the hand warmers with the armor and the description has the old name

[stable musk]

do the ❗

[novel trellis]

well then just put that there. don't mention the whole armor set.

[light iris]

You're right i could've, but it doesn't matter too much

[stable musk]

then do it if you can

because "edit message" function exists

[novel trellis]

they have pretty strict rules on suggestions. just sayin'

[stable musk]

and also how eskimo and inuits is a slur

[novel trellis]

yeah i don't get it

[light iris]

I mean the armor is in the description of the item

[stable musk]

what

[light iris]

My bad

Inuit isn't a slur, the word eskimo was one used to refer to them

[stable musk]

welp sooooooo..?

[fringe notch]

Apparently it might be one already in the design

[light iris]

Hence why the armor name was changed in 1.4

[stable musk]

Then it's not a offensive thing but a description overlook?

[novel trellis]

i've never heard it said/taken as an insult. also snow armor sounds clunky as shit. just call it a snowsuit or somethin

[light iris]

Not saying it's intentionally offensive, the word was very normalised

[stable musk]

???

[novel trellis]

this smells of bullshite sir

[stable musk]

[light iris]

I'm just saying, since vanilla changed the name it'd make sense for the accessory mentioning the armor to also be changed

[novel trellis]

then just say that

[stable musk]

then it's for future content

and also say that

[light iris]

That's what i said

[stable musk]

Then change the suggestion

before ❗ happens

[novel trellis]

just say it needs to correlate. you don't need to bring in anying about it being offensive.

[fringe notch]

Buttermilk, I think you should remove the point of it being offensive in the suggestion, and instead just point out that its a mismatch

[light iris]

Alright, i'll do that, sorry

[stable musk]

is it me or snow armour name is really a shit name

[cobalt pewter]

@novel trellis you're really not joking with this sugg?
#suggestions-posting message

[novel trellis]

nope!

[cobalt pewter]

because the stool is, by all means, a joke item made by Red

[fringe notch]

Due to having played since early 1.1, all the way through, yeah, just so used to eskimo set, I think it might be a mostly thing

[novel trellis]

i genuinely like it. i think with some doctoring we could make it useful.

[novel trellis]

it is, don't worry

[light iris]

It's not the best name but I can see why they changed it

[cobalt pewter]

I guess if you're that determined

[stable musk]

delete the stool

[cobalt pewter]

the sugg itself doesn't seem to have issues to me

just the fact that the stool is a joke item in Red's head is the thing that bothered me

[novel trellis]

but yeah. as is, the stool is easily replaceable, but i think it can be really cool if we work on it

[novel trellis]

i had no clue it was a joke item.

[stable musk]

because "just a fill in item which is boring and devs seek for more quality experience removing fill in items"

[novel trellis]

i was working under the basis it was just a stool item that was a fun little utility

[novel trellis]

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren You need to add a reason to your suggestion, and format it properly

[night jolt]

OK dude

This is the thrid time you've made this exact suggestion

When are you gonna learn that nobody gives a shit?

[crude geode]

what.

[unique vector]

????

[night jolt]

OK, it might not have been him, but I've seen pretty much this suggestion verbatim at least twice before in the past month

[unique vector]

do u want to like

chill

its fine it'll just get denied again and agaain

😇

[hollow shell]

Alright sure this is fine

Opinionated but that's what stars are for I spose

[night jolt]

OK sorry, it's like past midnight and I should probably go to bed

[unique vector]

👍

[small timber]

(tbh the config change for speed suggestion happen so often that it is either frequently suggested or just see if the suggestion did get send to dev will it get accepted tbh)

[muted osprey]

why do people hate the speed modification so much it's less of a buff and more of giving speed builds some viability

[crude geode]

I believe they’re referring to the natural movement speed increase

and not the overall rework of movement speed effects

[small timber]

ya basically the "you move super fast without gear" one
(and often accompanied by config to turn on/off the mining speed, jump speed and building speed given)

[crude geode]

@wet gust all ore armors are planned to be changed away from just mining bonus

[grave zinc]

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[drowsy plank]

any ideas for revisions on the GSS sugg?

gonna be reposting it tomorrow

think it just got bloated out by a lot of high stars

[tardy smelt]

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah, fingers crossed on that one

[spark pulsar]

Dang, looks like no craftable compass and depth meter any time soon, altho most of these suggestions I hope to see in the game eventually

[tardy smelt]

Same

although its a little vague in nature

Its meant to be more of a "hey, this is a thing you could work on" than a suggestion adressing a specific issue with a specific solution

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean im just resubmitting so

[eternal escarp]

(with all the sugg now dunno if itd be the best time to try agian tbh)

[drowsy plank]

there were a lot of decent suggs

[eternal escarp]

[drowsy plank]

also true

[eternal escarp]

besides id wait longer than a week for reposting a sugg i think

unless it was more than a week and im just dementing

[spark pulsar]

That’s allowed? Can we just copy paste or do we have to reword it?

[eternal escarp]

its on the edge kinda

[drowsy plank]

yeah but like what blast said we should probably wait, and it helps to reword it a bit

[eternal escarp]

its allowed but if you do it repeatedly and it never gets across its a good sign the sugg is just not good and you shouldnt keep trying

rewording does help yea

[drowsy plank]

with 200+ stars tho i wouldnt be too worried about a lack of desire on it passing

[eternal escarp]

ye it likely was just at a bad timing tbh

[drowsy plank]

that would've passed with the old system

id give it until after this round

[eternal escarp]

270 cap :clueless:

[spark pulsar]

Ye probably best to wait until the flood of suggestions because of 2.0 ends

[drowsy plank]

im probably gonna have to resubmit the gold crate buff and combined accessory suggs too, but the 1.4 drafts should fair better than the current ones anyway

actually prolly just the crate one

[tardy smelt]

Gotta love how in the months after 1.5 dropped around 1 or 2 suggestions had passed

[ruby plover]

not just planned
the 1.4 port contained the ore armour reworks

[crude geode]

Wacky

Even less valid then

[ruby plover]

(they still give mining speed tho)

thats just not the extent that the set bonus is anymore, is all

[crude geode]

I see

[hollow shell]

@violet ginkgo Muramasa or Murasama?
(as in, the vanilla dungeon wep or the endgame Calamity wep?)

[small timber]

probably the metal gear one, the vanilla one is a regular broadsword and never have any spin animation

[hollow shell]

Yeah in either case I have no idea what this suggestion is talking about

[small timber]

I think it means that murasama currently only do 2 slashes and repeat those 2 slashes, and the suggestion want it to have more variant of slashes? at least sprite wise

Idk, that is like the closest interpretation I can get

[hollow shell]

(It does three iirc)

[crude geode]

God I love melee suggestions

[hollow shell]

@split flicker You need to format your suggestion properly. Have your main idea at the top, separated from your reasoning/elaboration below, using a line break (Shift+Enter)

Thank you 👍

[frail mantle]

i think i know

basically, when you use the Murasama, the sword slash rotates along with your cursor instead of being still

[keen zealot]

how else are you supposed to aim it tho

[frail mantle]

this is something i also dislike about the item because it makes it feel less like an actual sword and more like a short ranged, very wide last prism

[frail mantle]

no like

[keen zealot]

wait I misread

[frail mantle]

it's hard to explain

[hollow shell]

Ohhhh, okay
The suggestion surprisingly makes sense now

They could definitely explain that better in the sugg though

[keen zealot]

why would there need to be more sprites for different angles tho?

[frail mantle]

yea it's a bit hard to understand if you don't know what it means

[hollow shell]

Each swing should come out where you click it and remain at that angle until the animation ends

[frail mantle]

basically yes

[hollow shell]

Then the next swing comes out at the angle your cursor currently is upon the previous slash ending, and remains that direction as well

[keen zealot]

oh I see

[frail mantle]

don't even need to make new sprites for it

[keen zealot]

yeah that's really terribly phrased

no one will vote for that

[hollow shell]

It is a pretty frickin niche complaint

Each slash is pretty fast anyhow

[frail mantle]

it's very niche but also something that very intensely mildly annoys me whenever i look at it

[keen zealot]

it's already wide and fast enough that I don't really see the need

doesn't it have like 110 degree reach or something like that?

[frail mantle]

i can't remember exactly how long range it is but it does basically reach past half the screen

[keen zealot]

no that's length

I'm asking about width

there are 360 degrees in a circle

how many are in the semicircle made by murasama?

[hollow shell]

I'd say the big swing is a healthy 90 degrees from what I remember

Oh pff I'm off

[hollow idol]

rotating box

[hollow shell]

It's like 140 degrees or something

[keen zealot]

I'd estimate 160

[hollow shell]

Also one of the swings goes behind you

[frail mantle]

pretty wide ye

[hollow idol]

the hitbox remains the same for all the slashes

[keen zealot]

it's probably just a really stupidly large square right?

[hollow idol]

ye

[keen zealot]

can we get a visualization?

[hollow idol]

I can record one in
like 20 minutes

[keen zealot]

aight

[hollow shell]

Simply hilarious

[keen zealot]

depending on direction it seems to be anywhere between 170 degree angle and over 200

[violet ginkgo]

i mean like when you move your cursor around the slash follows the cursor and doesnt stay in its current position. it would make it look nice if it didnt follow cursor (like a trail)

nvm

you get it

[hollow shell]

Alright that is a better explanation
But you still gotta provide a reason why it should do that

[violet ginkgo]

worst reason, my ocd

its disturbing and doesnt feel right

but its not really needed

but i think it would actually make murasama swings look more badass

[sudden knot]

Cnidron is a menace to my attempts at a desert and ocean base ATM, guy keeps coming up through the floor to eat my NPCs when I'm visiting. Could we possibly add a maximum of blocks it could clip through?

[hollow shell]

Ah, I was thinking a changelog already resolved this issue

I guess it was specific to downward movement

[sudden knot]

Yeah, it was funny the first two time to see it pop up like scp-106, but now its just getting annoying. especially during blood moons

sand sharks pull the same schtick

even if i elevate the floor

maybe just have it only pass through sand/hardened sand

[tardy smelt]

this scares me

in fact im fucking terrified

[crude geode]

Wow shocking death mode and master mode are unbalanced

[tardy smelt]

and won't ever be balanced for

[ornate kestrel]

Imagine if you added Fargo's eternity mode

[small timber]

did master increase blood moon spawnrate?

also tbh I did think with 1.4 port Death Mode's blood moon spawn rate effect should be changed to increase Blood Moon enemy stat, just because Blood Moon fishing exist now

currently the spawn rate is so massive that there is little to no point for blood moon fishing for acquisition of blood orb, especially when the spawn rate heavily inconvenienced blood moon fishing

[crude geode]

@proper grail Even the most basic of suggs such as “add a block to shrines to make them look less ass” need reasoning behind them. Also any Rev + mode and master mode is known to be unbalanced currently

[proper grail]

As I said the reasoning should be obvious there, this is so ridiculously unbalanced it shouldn't need any questions

"There are currently 60+ enemies on screen on the 3rd day of a new world and it's making even my RTX 2060 lag" should be visible from the picture

[small timber]

"There are currently 60+ enemies on screen on the 3rd day of a new world and it's making even my RTX 2060 lag"
(basically add this line to suggestion, just because rules is rules tbh, since the rules make it mandatory to write a reasoning no matter if it is very obvious or not)

and ya, probably might help for people viewing on phone, since the image is actually quite dark

[proper grail]

I used to be one of the people checking other people's suggestions a year ago, I'm aware.

I don't necessarily think it needs elaboration if you can see the picture, but the mobile reasoning is a good point

[small timber]

even worse is that Amalgam is a glass cannon pure damage accessory that have half of its effect dedicated to when you are hit, instead of providing actual defense bonus

ya the leave water pool for water debuff thing, they basically swap them off to the potion effect

(sadly didnt do well)

[quick crag]

oh