suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

@hollow shell future content sugg

[hollow shell]

@crisp fox Refrain from making suggestions about Calamity 1.4 until it is officially released

[crisp fox]

Sure thing, my apologies.

[hollow shell]

Also in case you're unaware
Zenith is getting tier shifted all the way up to Auric tier (post-Yharon)

[fossil finch]

The first two things you mention have nothing to do with stat boosts existing or not

[tight edge]

wdym

I'm talking about only changing boss and enemy AI, not often ridiculosly getting 2-shot late game no matter what

[fossil finch]

If you've a bad pc or have poor resolution the ai will hurt you more than any stat changes

[tight edge]

ohhh

i'll re-write it

[fossil finch]

Being casual and not wanting the stat boosts is much more valid reasoning though i still don't agree with the sugg but,

[tight edge]

it would be optional, off by default and somewhere that very clearly says its optional

[fossil finch]

That doesn't make me like the sugg any more

[tight edge]

how could i improve it?

[fossil finch]

Its just my opinion you don't have to

[tight edge]

alright

[ruby plover]

Ah ye, I thought of this suggestion the other day and then forgor

It’s kinda weird to hear the boss roar for certain bosses, like cryogen for example
And the ones that are mentioned too

Oh they mentioned cryogen, aight

[hollow shell]

Ah hm I didn't realize Dragon Egg and Abombination still played the vanilla roar

Thought they woulda been given their custom sounds

[steel wedge]

abombination can just make the phase 2 nuke arming sound

dragon egg can be angry yharon screech before charge

easy game

both signify dangerous being about to assault you

[fossil finch]

Pretty sure rover's comment implies they have unique sounds already made

[steel wedge]

o

i'm forgor

i'll check later

i've been doing not terraria things lately

[hollow shell]

No no, Balanced was correct

I'm saying that we can reuse some of the existing custom sounds

Specific spawn sounds were not made for them

(sorry if my statement was ambiguous)

[steel wedge]

does astrum deus have a custom roar on spawn too?

i remember the animation but not any sounds

[hollow shell]

He does not

[steel wedge]

can just use a lower pitched dog roar

honestly

signifying his weakness

and if that lore is still relevant that dog eated a bit of him

[hollow shell]

Oh sorry I thought you said Aureus

[steel wedge]

oh

[hollow shell]

Deus actually does have a custom roar

[steel wedge]

no not 4 leg

ohhh

[hollow shell]

here lemme grab

[steel wedge]

idk if aureus needs a spawn sound

maybe some metallic noises if you really wanna

[steel wedge]

oh yeah

beep boop worm

[errant cloud]

I request second opinions on a suggestion idea

Tl;dr scale the amount of items you get from ravager's drops by a float of x.y as you kill him more and more (resets when there is a drop upgrade that gives you more powerful items)

Tomato dislikes it I think otherwise

[hollow shell]

Quite a
particular idea

Is this just a farming aide?

[ruby plover]

drops as in like. all of his drops, or the stuff from the geode

[errant cloud]

Stuff from the geode

Was afk, sorry

[small timber]

I think the better idea will probably just increase the yield from the geode to begin with? that solves all the problem

since otherwise after like, 30 ravagers geode will start dropping 100 of each bars, which do not make sense, just make them drop more from the get go

[errant cloud]

There'd be a cap

Ideally what I'd like is for ravager to stay a farm type boss to some extent but ease off how much you farm him

By a small amount

[small timber]

I just think if the problem is with farming Ravager is not really efficient, simply just make it always yield more bars rather than incentivizing completely refarming him (since the increasing approach will mean like, the initial several kills will still yield very little reward and only when they keep refarming it will it become worthwhile)

[fossil finch]

The true conclusion is that ravager's getting redone anyway so geodes may die

[hollow shell]

It'll be a little while from now

Changes can happen in the meantime

[errant cloud]

Well the idea is to store how many items a geode drops (or the range) in an array/variable (whatever is more practical)

So that for each ravager kill you get
baseAmount * [float relevant to certain number of ravager kills]

@hollow shell can do a better job of explaining this than me I think

I suck at it

[fossil finch]

just increase the drop rates

No need to have a weird system on place

[errant cloud]

No you want some farm just less farm. Ravager was designed to be a farm boss, all I'm doing is dialing it back

A smidge

[hollow shell]

I do kinda agree with Neko in that
If you're attempting to reduce the amount of farming you have to put into the farm boss, there are simpler ways

[fossil finch]

Pretty sure it wasn't "designed to be a farm boss" and that doesn't mean it can't change anyway

[hollow shell]

And in fact just boosting the drop rates outright would go more towards that goal

[errant cloud]

Ehm okey

[hollow shell]

than having the rates get boosted with more kills

[errant cloud]

By what d'you reckon

1.5?

[hollow shell]

You don't need to specify in your suggestion

You can just ask that they get boosted

[fossil finch]

(Geode drop rate also is not percentual exactly

[hollow shell]

That way people can agree with your suggestion without having to agree with your exact numerical values

[fossil finch]

Like not sure what would boosting a 2-5 material drop by 1.5 would do

[errant cloud]

I'm leaning towards rover's attitude but just for clarity this is why I wanted a scaling system so that it's better adjusted per ravager kill

I'll still use rover's approach doe

[grave zinc]

@crystal stone - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a custom background to Brimstone Crag.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity Ores to Fishing Crates and Standardize Crate Drops]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

yo it get through

[hollow shell]

Ah

[grave zinc]

@night jolt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Properly Decrypt the schematics after putting them into the Codebreaker]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

Syn you need to include a reason in your suggestion

[errant cloud]

Mm?

Oh let me do that

[hollow shell]

((also just about everything you have right now is technically completely unnecessary))

((aside from the title line))

[errant cloud]

Meh

I dont feel like a one line of "change ravager item drop rate pls" with a body of "title" is a good idea though

Obviously I'm overexaggerating but

Yea

[hollow shell]

Aight that reason there is fine

[small timber]

ya this line dont really have to be there

[errant cloud]

Re-read

[fossil finch]

Devs nor voters know what you're referring to so like

[small timber]

then probably can just include it as "Alternatively, make Ravager's geode yield more rewards the more you kill Ravager"

since ya, as Neko said, the devs will not really have an idea of what the "disagreement" is about, just leave the idea in and is enough

since the core idea of "I propose 2 ideas and devs are free to choose" is still there

[errant cloud]

Yeah. I want it like that.

It's like that for the gesture. It's not about the specific thing the devs put in, it's the effect it has

If both have the effect, and one of them is just more complicated of a solution, I extend an olive branch and i say "this is the simple solution, but if you'd rather put more effort into fixing the core issue, here's a more complex solution as well"

If I'm murdered for ambiguity then I'm robbed of leniency and creativity

[fossil finch]

not sure how the alt is putting more effort into fixing the core issue but pop off yeah

[errant cloud]

Scaling system vs editing a float/percentage

[fossil finch]

Yeah sure it takes 3 more seconds of effort as you add the kill tracker and put the very simple formula of existing float.kills

[errant cloud]

Uh...no, it takes much longer than that but sure

[fossil finch]

(Even then just raising the drop rates all around fixes the core issue better

[errant cloud]

(Rover if you're still lurking can you explain my position I'm frustrated other people can't see it)

(They act as if a fine tuned scaling system takes 3 minutes when it takes more like 3 hours)

[fossil finch]

I mean what is the extent of this "fine tuned scaling system"
Originally you did literally just present it as "multiple loot by kills"

Why does this effort even needs to be put in

[errant cloud]

facepalm

[fossil finch]

You miss the point

How does this fixes the problem better than just raising the drops?

(The player also wouldn't know the mechanic is a thing for this specific boss and that has the potential to raise funny situations where they think their game is bugged or something

[errant cloud]

Balance...if you're wanting to modulate how many drops come out of the geodes, and on a graph make a more rounded slope line (what you want), then it'd actually be superior to raise the number of items from ravager's geodes per certain number of kills

E.g., 1 kill gives you default baseAmount, 3 kills gives [multiplier a], 5 kills gives [multiplier b], 10 kills gives [multiplier c], to a cap of, for example, 20 kills or 30 kills

This means that if the number of kills adjacent to each multiplier are set correctly, it eliminates enough of the farming to prevent annoyance, but not enough to take all the effort away

[fossil finch]

Balance for what exactly

[errant cloud]

The number of drops itself, so you don't get too many

[fossil finch]

You do not balance your player's time spend i think

yeah you can just set the drop numbers to a reasonable amount that is "not too many"

[errant cloud]

Normally yes, but ravager drops materials that scale with game progression

[fossil finch]

No reason to handcap oneself by trying to design it as a farming process

They're just materials

You also require a relatively small amount each time you need them

[errant cloud]

My guy ravager was designed to be a farming boss like I said earlier

[fossil finch]

you're the one arbitrarily setting that stone

(He was designed to be a boss and given the ability to help alleviate grind

[errant cloud]

No, he was actually designed to be a farming boss and the only reason he exists is to give you items that help with general crafting

[fossil finch]

that's wrong very much

He was added a long time ago as a boss like fabsol used to do all the time

but, ok, lets go by that being right anyway

It's pointless
It doesn't matter because that can be changed on a whim

[errant cloud]

As is like a bunch of different things in the mod

[fossil finch]

You don't have to handicap yourself and fake some sense of balance for getting materials you can already get

It's pointless to add a whole mechanic that has the possibility to confuse players, needs extra effort and for what again?

Reaching some arbitrary conditions set up by you specifically? I don't really understand

Doing this isn't really balance
It's be balance if eav dropped an entire inv worth of this materials on first kill

[errant cloud]

This debate is not worth my time and unless Rover or a dev bugs me to change it I am going to bed

Gn~

[fossil finch]

I don't understand people like you

I really don't

[errant cloud]

(If anyone needs me to edit and has some good points ping so I can find highlights tomorrow, thank)

[muted osprey]

i just find it all highly unnecessary

[small timber]

this is kinda scuffed but I think it do (at least concept-wise) explain why the scaling system is not really necessary

[hollow shell]

This took me a second to comprehend but I get it now

((Those two blue & orange horizontal lines would be better as Legend markers, not sure why they're presented on that axis))

((Actually nvm I get that too it's just confusing without an explanation lol))

[small timber]

(I am using MS paint and I kinda forget how to draw graph with exponential value)

[hollow shell]

tbf there are some ways you could execute the exponential curve such that it'd reach the top faster than the blue slope

Such as
Geode drops are doubled every time you kill Ravager

an extreme example but it would overtake the flat boost in just 3 kills I think

[small timber]

ya just the suggester's idea seems like that it want to start like normal and slowly scales up, meaning it probably is not double/triple immediately

and double/triple immediately (and continuously increasing) will be overkill and rather just increase the base drop rate to said double/triple (not exactly ideal example but you get the idea)

[errant cloud]

the reason this is not something i wanna do is because like i said earlier here

ravager was meant to be a farm boss and i wanna keep that sentiment so choosing the first green line (to me at least) is preferable vs the blue line or merely doubling/tripling

if you only killed ravager a couple times a playthrough i wouldn't care too much, but you kill him one or two dozen times

[small timber]

(sorry since I cant properly do legends in MS Paint), the 1st green line is supposed to be the scaling of Ravager's drop amount (per kill)
and the 2nd green line is the total amount of Ravager required to reach the (amount of materials) you need

[errant cloud]

no its good™️

[drowsy plank]

finally
bit weird the ping didnt work but whatever

also have to agree with everyone else the decision to ignore everyone else here and keep the random extra paragraph about the weird float scaling is only going to lead to a more than likely chance that the suggestion doesnt even get enough stars in the first place cause the average voter has no idea what the hell you're talking about and doesnt care to dig through this chat to read it

just ask for a standard buff to rav geode drops

i dont think anyone would fight you on it

arguably you'd be more likely to get in the more you trim it

[errant cloud]

Main suggestion is already asking for a standard buff

:d

[drowsy plank]

yeah so remove the cantankerous part about the scaling

it's just going to make it more likely to get rejected

it's like making a suggestion to buff ironskin pots or something and starting it with a discussion of devourer of gods balancing or something

the guidelines literally say to remove unnecessary text and that's all that is

[hollow shell]

I personally disagree with this Altar suggestion but it's a fine suggestion

[hollow shell]

@quasi canopy You need to have a line break (Shift+Enter) after your title line in order for your suggestion to be processed properly

Also you need to add a reason why this should happen, to your suggestion

[quasi canopy]

sec then

i eddited it

[drowsy plank]

that doesnt even make any sense

[crude geode]

The reason to do p-hm bosses is because of weapons and gear

[drowsy plank]

^

[crude geode]

Which is plenty of reason alone

[drowsy plank]

like the scaling of the boss is based around the gear, and bosses are balanced around you basically having 400 HP by mid-pHm

[crude geode]

Also if you want people to do more phm bosses try some of the more obscure ones aka not the two base vanilla ones everyone does bc it gives you access to the most gear

(Aka abyss/dungeon for skele, and shield/counter scarf for eoc)

[drowsy plank]

im still trying to figure out the logic behind capping HP

people that can do wall of flesh as their first boss would still be able to do it with 200 HP because you'd effectively be nohitting it, not to mention, i dont even think that's very feasible in higher difficulties in calamity with the HP buffs wall gets

[grim tusk]

if you went through the effort for getting 400 hp pre-boss you deserve it

same for getting tinkerer pre-EoW

or hell stuff even

[fossil finch]

People missusing the term qol mod

We live in dark ages

[gilded scroll]

like i say, people forget Terraria is a sandbox game, play however the fuck you wanna play it

[fossil finch]

That has nothing to do with what i said

Terraria is also not a very sandbox game

[night jolt]

Boss fights at the most fundamental level are about maximizing your odds of victory. Like it or not 400 HP pre King Slime is a way to maximize your odds of victory.

Like, even if this were a good suggestion, devs wouldn't accept it, they made life fruits pre mech for a reason

[small timber]

@quasi canopy I usually dont like to ping people like this (since others probabpy already tell you), but, isnt an easier solution to achieve what you want is just increase preHM bosses damage (especially early ones)?

I dont agree with the suggestion but ^ is still better than artificially locking up players' health at certain point of progression and the extra confusion where the player will be unaware of when they can increase (and by how much) of their max hp

And no, if people think skeletron and wof are so easy that people just do it as their first boss they will just do it with 200 hp regardless

[ashen warren]

easier solution to achieve want you want is for you to just not use life crystals if you dont want to have more health

[unborn oriole]

^

[small timber]

Ya with such a subjective suggestion like that I can also be like, "Scal is a boss that is obviously designed for nohit, and therefore the player should never be able to tank scal, their max hp should be reduce to 100 during scal fight (this make sense since developers already resuce hearts regen to 10 = they dont want people to tank). If people think it is unfair just see so many people nohit scal, it is not hard people are just bad at games"

(and no trust me, unless you spend hours building WoF arena, preboss WoF is completely stupid, I tried)

[worn salmon]

that sugg might cripple the kinds of players who arent as mechanically skilled to dodge bosses and such

[small timber]

That suggestion also completely screw over any form of preHM exploration the player want to do, because having 200HP when skeleton (not skeletron) bone throw deal 80 is painful

[quasi canopy]

What I ment was less health since devs are already messing with def and dr so why not reduce HP but general dmg too similar to mechs with each boss killed player unlocks like 40 more max HP but gets delt idk about 7% more dmg or so till wifi when it's back to how it's be normally

[ruby plover]

Changing defence and dr values is different to changing hp.

[quasi canopy]

I meant either way u die faster

[hollow shell]

That's

ignoring a lot of context

Just because we nerfed a defensive aspect on the player for any reason
doesn't mean we want to continue doing that for any and all other player protections???

[small timber]

Dr has a lot less impact in preHardmode (even earlt Hardmode), reducing max hp to 200 is ltierally halfing the player's survivability

The suggestion also completely ignore the fact that defense (pure value defense) is massively buffed on many items, the DR nerf is pretty much just so player dont softcap DR without investment

And ya, double-down nerf is stupid

[night jolt]

Oh god, is this a sarcastic suggestion made by a former redditor?

[hollow shell]

That is within the realm of possibility

[muted osprey]

💀

[hollow shell]

@kindred creek Do you literally have no reasoning aside from "their names are similar"

[kindred creek]

it'd be funny

[eternal escarp]

what about Plague Heart

[hollow shell]

Not a valid reason

[eternal escarp]

it also has a heart in the name!!!

[frail mantle]

dreaded "it'd be funny"

[hollow shell]

In fact it's a Don't

[eternal escarp]

yeah the reason is

lacking

[kindred creek]

spawns pbg waifu

[hollow shell]

We already have that

[eternal escarp]

Plagued Remote

or Infected Remote

either name

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Infected_Remote

[kindred creek]

youre just upset you diidnt come up with the idea first

[hollow shell]

Can you stop

[kindred creek]

cope

[hollow shell]

You've made suggestions before
Several in fact

Why are you acting like this now

[kindred creek]

a friend's idea

[eternal escarp]

well refer your friend to the pinned Donts document

and tell him waifus arent funny anymore

also another thing
Draedons Heart is already getting a rework

so even if you did have a good reason itd be moot

[muted osprey]

didn't draedon heart just get a rework

so that now you're senator Neil from the metal guns series

and makes you stand there and realize

[fringe notch]

Hasn't it already been reworked multiple times for stress, rage, and then no rage?

[eternal escarp]

i do not remember tbh

[crude geode]

Draedon’s heart has indeed been reworked 5,000 times

Almost as much as dog

[small timber]

(is it time to add murasama to frequently suggested suggestions so it can finally die like the bloons one)

just in case it is deleted

[hot zephyr]

@hollow shell not to interrupt your tridolon or eternity in hydron but xpcqe makes a good point

[hollow shell]

mmmmaybe

Hang on I'm reporting something to Discord rn, I'll get back to you

[hot zephyr]

gl

[small timber]

ya, or just wait for someone to (port out) the star from above murasama (because it will happen)

[tardy smelt]

if you want to play with a genuinely complex melee weapon that requires skill to use, on that tier, use Ark of the Cosmos (or Galaxia, but that might be too generous)

Murasama is just a funny reference, other than that its mostly just the tier's conveniently long-ranged True Melee weapon, akin to Blade of Grass and Majestic Guard

[hot zephyr]

I desperately want Murasama to get renamed into something else and the MGRR ties lost entirely

[ruby plover]

I think that would be for the best.

[tardy smelt]

:truetrue:

[small timber]

just rename it to something something ... blade prototype, not only is it lore accurate and also no longer a reference

since we have phaseslayer so it do fit

[hot zephyr]

it's a part of draedon's lore yet holds onto the ties of being an MGRR reference... that also has been reworked to where it doesn't even really work like the actual sword

[tardy smelt]

Phaseblade

why is naming weapons without it sounding cringey so hard

[eternal escarp]

to be fair its a generic vibrating katana

thinking of a cool name isnt as easy

[frozen hornet]

Just name it the salt shaker

[hollow shell]

Name it after Masamune instead
Call it Masanume

[frozen hornet]

Or rip off star wars' vibroblades

[eternal escarp]

Masamune?

[hollow shell]

Another Japanese swordsmith just like Muramasa

[frozen hornet]

Masanume smh

[eternal escarp]

ah

that would be a good name then tbh

[hollow shell]

(well known for being the name of Sephiroth's sword)

[eternal escarp]

idk i never played whatever Sephiroth is from

[tardy smelt]

final fantasy?

[eternal escarp]

i think?

[tardy smelt]

and apparently also kingdom hearts?

[eternal escarp]

byeah thats quite a nice name rover iirc

now color the blade green and voila no more jetstreme

[tardy smelt]

jetmeme

speaking of colors, congrats on getting dipped into the ocean Blast

[frozen hornet]

Then comes the flood of suggs to revert it to murasama

[eternal escarp]

theres no escape

[frozen hornet]

He can now swuib every member of calamain

[tardy smelt]

something along the lines of
change the [new mura name] name back to Murasama

Memories broken | The truth goes unspoken | I’ve even forgotten my name | I don’t know the season | Or what is the reason | I’m standing here holding my blade | A desolate place | Without any trace | It’s only the cold wind I feel | It’s me that I spite | As I stand up and fight | The only thing I know for real | There will be blood-shed | The man in the mirror nods his head | The only one left | Will ride upon the dragon’s back | Because the mountains don’t give back what they take | Oh no | There will be blood-shed | It’s the only thing I’ve ever known | Losing my identity | Wondering have I gone insane | To find the truth in front of me | I must climb this mountain range | Looking downward from this deadly height | And never realizing why I fight

i regret spending time on removing the line breaks in that

[hollow shell]

I'm kinda tempted to put "Adding any more Metal Gear Rising references into the mod, or enforcing existing references" as a Don't
Because it's been a meme for quite a while now

[frail mantle]

Then comes the Don’t about suggesting to revert renames

[tardy smelt]

would be kinda fair tbh

[small timber]

I mean that is already part of the Don't no? just not outright stated

[frozen hornet]

Reverting changes have been in the don't for some time right?

[small timber]

it is currently just like, "ya references is not a valid reason, you need to find a valid reason to make reference suggestion"

[hollow shell]

I figure that there is grey area with existing references, and might be good to outright say it

[small timber]

ye, since the previous bloons references was (almost) allowed just by using the reason that people will want to get more bob style wings

[frail mantle]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

The Bumblebirb Effect

[tardy smelt]

i cannot see the world Bumblebirb without hearing "Fat fuck" in my brain help

[muted osprey]

mgrr sugg numero 109287461982756109248203578126998344309873562934

[tired haven]

You are a perfect human being for doing that

[muted osprey]

😳

[tardy smelt]

...t~thanks?

[true inlet]

@quasi canopy who in their right mind uses pre boss gear for WoF

[karmic stone]

devil may cry

[true inlet]

no, wasn't he from minecraft?

[small timber]

no sephiroth is probably a roblox youtuber

[true inlet]

sounds reasonable

[thorn tundra]

i was gonna discuss it but i posted this right before an exam lmao

[sleek turret]

Sounds reasonable

[thorn tundra]

in hindsight, the vanity is unnecessary

but I still think the charge attack would make the weapon more interesting

and also it'd add a level of strategy

[tardy smelt]

honestly, eh

does it need any?

it actually has no direct competition in terms of functionality

and so no weapon on its tier will give you quite the same playstyle potential as Murasama

[thorn tundra]

idk, it would make it a little more unique then just "ha ha funny red sword"

[tardy smelt]

its a higher-range true melee weapon, that, while not having as explosive DPS as the Dragon Rage, is much safer to use than said

and while i wish its dps were slightly higher, subjectively, its fine at fulfilling said niche

also if the charge is like- a dash, then

[small timber]

not everything have to be a 100% cardboard copy of a reference from the source

[thorn tundra]

yeah it is

[small timber]

it is a "reference item" not "copyright infringement"

[tardy smelt]

A. just dash and shield-bonk into something with Asgardian Aegis and you get something similar
B. both Ark of the Cosmos and Galaxia already have dash attacks

and fairly intricate movesets that require skill to be used to their fullest potential

that's a niche that's already filled on that tier, and that the Murasama has no real need to step into since it already is in a category of its own

[tardy smelt]

and, ^

so there's no urgent reason as for why the Murasama NEEDS an alt-attack, and simply having it be a reference is not a strong enough argument for it either

[small timber]

ya, the fact that the suggestion specifically ask it to be "referencing Sam's slashdraw attack" instead of focusing on "making the weapon more interesting" is the problem

and there is simply no good way to do it otherwise as it is a reference item

(which is why reference item suggestion is hard to find a valid reason to make)

because this is a don't

[distant gyro]

that bullet should probably extend to having existing references be more true to the original for the sake of reference

[crude geode]

Make everything craftable- sugg posters

[hot zephyr]

so true

[spark pulsar]

Is it a dont? I didn’t see it there but I can delete if it is

[crude geode]

Depends on how you word it and it’s fine currently

[drowsy plank]

i mean other cell phone components are, and they are kind of annoying to get sometimes, but at the same time... Crafting Be Like

honestly why doesnt travelling merchant not just have all the parts sold, and then put the ones exclusive to him onto enemy drops as well

that way you're twice as likely to get it with it being so grindy as it is rn

[hot zephyr]

It isn't a don't

dw

[night jolt]

I don't think compass or Depth Meter are hard to get if you just pop a zerg potion in the cavern layer. The real enemy is Tally Counter

That shit only shows up when it feels like, and it's also the only guaranteed way to get Lifeform Analyzer

[spark pulsar]

I feel like I get so many tally counters

And I usually go until around post provi without a compass and depth meter

[night jolt]

It's just weird how all but 3 components of the Cell Phone are either craftable, sold by the Traveling Merchant, or easily obtainable from a boss (Angler shit)

[fossil finch]

Just increase the drop chances

Easy

[novel belfry]

i have no idea why you guys are so hesitant to fill in the gaps of a calamity feature update that probably should be there anyways

[fossil finch]

(What

[drowsy plank]

what on earth are you talking about

[novel belfry]

i was confused about why you were seemingly hesitant to support the cell phone ingredient sugg

[small timber]

He probably mean like people making suggestion that is "add contetn to biome" etc

Where they will happen eventually anyway?

[novel belfry]

i apologize for my, rather poorly worded sentence

[small timber]

Oh the cell phone one, ya I dont have problem with that (comes from someone who craft cell phone every single pt and those two always be a pain to get)

[night jolt]

Basically, it's far more efficient for exploration to have the Mirror, Analyzer, and Detector as one item than 3

I want all the information consolidated in one item as soon as possible

[drifting pollen]

make a minecraft version of calamity because lol

[frosty trellis]

"limit max HP until you defeat certain phm bosses"
"So players don't rush wof immediately"

Doesn't calamity make it a point to include a lot of non-linearity? Craftable temple key, can craft cosmic worm with lunar materials, can fight polter right after noon lord, you can get a tablet to summon the lunatic cultist early in hardmode iirc. I could go on.

Wouldn't limiting HP ruin the point of calamity trying to make things non-linear?

[drowsy plank]

that is also a good point, honestly that suggestion got beaten enough as it is, like there's no reason to implement it, and consider it doesnt seem to be getting much traction i dont think there's much to worry about

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

I just saw it in #suggestions-voting and thought "yeah, that's not how the mod works"

[hollow shell]

weak-ass sugg
But it can get destroyed in the voting stage

[grim tusk]

If it fucking somehow gets into dev it will get denied with vehemence

[crude geode]

the weapon???? Woah

[grim tusk]

With so much vehemence as 1.4.5 vehemence which onetapped shit

[crude geode]

what.

[red edge]

you heard me

its a draedon machine

so why doesnt it drop those?

[crude geode]

you said dragon machine.

[small timber]

I mean... why do you need to put an material that is completely abundant on a boss?

[red edge]

oh

oh im stupid

stupid autocorrect

[small timber]

it is not exactly like circuitry and plating are rare materials, in fact it is a self-generating free resource

[red edge]

yeh i know

but it was a thought i had

[small timber]

ya, just... I dont think it is really needed? since basically all it does is to have aureus' treasure bag clog up 2 extra inventory space

[red edge]

they could be direct drops?

[small timber]

then it will still just be clogging up 2 inventory space, I don't think people will be like "wow aureus drop circuitry and plating now", the material is just abit abundant

[red edge]

the only other drop i think of woulf be powercells

and we have a way of getting infinite

[small timber]

ok I think I found a better example, I don't think exo mechs drop plating and circuitry? and those definitely are closer to Draedon's machine

[red edge]

vine boom

[small timber]

(and I think aureus is closer to virus infected cybernatics instead of direct Draedon's creation)

[grim tusk]

Expand your reasoning, as to why would it be useful for it to drop the materials

[red edge]

aye aye captain

[hollow shell]

I'll unexclam once the actual reasoning is added

[red edge]

i

i suck at wording things man

[grim tusk]

Still needs better reasoning

[small timber]

I used exo mechs as example but having exo mechs drop circuitry and plating makes even less sense, because you need like 10k power cells to power the codebreaker

[grim tusk]

It needs a way to be justified over using extractinator + power cells

And like the vanilla mechs are also draedon machines

[small timber]

this means it will be even more useless because it is assuming you already have a ton of power cells (which is circuitry and plating)

[night jolt]

OK, so I think if you're gonna make a resource as commonly needed as that only renewable after the penultimate boss is way too late. How about from the regular mechs instead? They only drop a grand total of 3 things

Oh wait

Extractinator lol

[red edge]

hmm

[night jolt]

I'm not opposed to making it more convenient to obtain Circuitry and Plating en masse, but there is already a way to get them en masse

[red edge]

alright, ill work on making a better suggestion

[night jolt]

Here, I got one for you

Make the Mech bosses drop Mysterious Circuitry and Dubious Plating

Circuitry and Plating, the primary resource used to make Draedon gear, are only renewable by way of using Power cells on the Extractinator, which generate slowly, even with multiple active generators. This makes it an absolute pain to make Draedon gear in multiplayer, so I think there should be another way to get these resources en masse. I suggest the Mechanical bosses, because they're early enough to be available when you realistically need the resources, and the Mech Bosses wouldn't suffer from drop bloat as they drop a total of 3 things (and even then 1 of them is only available after killing all 3).

Feel free to copy this verbatim

@minor shell for 1, formatting issue, you need to bold the thesis line at the top

[crude geode]

you don't.

[red edge]

Make The Exo Mechs Drop Powercells
since it costs around 10k each time you summon the mechs, I think you should at least get 8k or so back from killing them, just so farming is worth it
this is what i wrote

its not very good

[night jolt]

And for 2, I get where you're coming from, genuinely, but the Tax Collector will literally never be a viable source of income, no matter how much they buff it

[small timber]

why do you need power cell AFTER spending the highest cost you will ever require power cells for

[red edge]

who the hell is the tax collecter

[minor shell]

my bad. would you mind reminding me how to bold?

[crude geode]

two asterisks.

but he's wrong.

you don't have to do it.

[night jolt]

OH, must've been mistaken, sorry

[grim tusk]

No?

[small timber]

ya the bold is just to make the title easier to read, it is not needed

[crude geode]

it's extremely common because it makes it look better for the 24 hours it's in posting but it isn't necessary for the bot to recognize the sugg

[minor shell]

the tortured soul in hell you use purification powder on

[small timber]

(just everyone do it because it is good looking)

[night jolt]

NPC that you get from using purifying powder on the tortured soul, it genereates a total of 10 gold for you to cash out every few minutes

[red edge]

oh that dudd i always kill

or ignore bc I never have the powder

[night jolt]

Can the Purity Axe save the Tax Collector?

[red edge]

you dm if i do use this right?

[night jolt]

I don't mind

The literal next line was "feel free to use this" lol

[red edge]

im a bit stupid yeah

[minor shell]

alr quick question before i waste the time of making a full post; would a suggestion to add a mechanic that allows you to concede to scal after your first beat her instead of her killing you be shot down?

[night jolt]

I know they're getting rid of the increased money in the next update, but I genuinely don't think Tax Collector could ever be viable as a source of money

[minor shell]

it doesnt really have any utility, i just thought it would make sense on the lore side of things

this is completely different

[night jolt]

If you have a really good reason that doesn't just amount to "It would be really cool," then maybe

[small timber]

I dont really understand what you are referring to but I dont think that exist anymore

because now Scal concededs TO YOU when she fall to 1% HP, instead of letting you kill her

[minor shell]

wdym

[small timber]

basically you dont kill Scal anymore, and she turn into an NPC afterwards

(you can still initiate the fight of course)

[minor shell]

yeah i mean instead of scal killing you, you concede to her. literally the same way she concedes to you. just only when you refight her

[night jolt]

But that wouldn't make sense

[small timber]

no that will just drag the time you need to reattempt the boss

[night jolt]

Why would you concede after winning?

[minor shell]

after losing*

[red edge]

im gonna go play pokemon insurgence now

[small timber]

and in lore, (technically), the player never died so having a mechanic like this is abit redundant

[red edge]

adios gamers

[small timber]

because in lore the player at this point is just more powerful than scal = you shouldn't lose to her anymore

[hollow shell]

@native mica You must have missed the guy 24 hours ago who suggested the exact same thing

[native mica]

shit

[hollow shell]

The sugg got exclam'd for being a reference for the sake of a reference, so it is not in voting.

But yeah, with that
I am definitely banning all Metal Gear Rising suggestions for the time being

[sand ermine]

Ban them forever

[native mica]

galaxy brain

[sand ermine]

There's already enough MGR things in Calamity

[native mica]

there's like 11

[sand ermine]

9 more than enough

[native mica]

borderlands has 19?

[sand ermine]

borderlands i can accept

MGR i cant since its like, the only thing i see people talk about when talking about references

but then again those MGR references and stuff have a bigger presence in the mod iirc

[frail mantle]

the borderlands references aren't quite as apparent

[native mica]

the 2 I can 100% list are the murasama and the boss bar

[sand ermine]

revengeance mode

[hollow shell]

Also the difficulty mode Revengeance literally being named

yeah

[frail mantle]

MGR has an entire game mode, multiple items, an entire mechanic (technically two), the boss health bar etc.

[hollow shell]

There

(I don't mean to call you out with this, Multiversal Asbestos Dealer
You're just one of the many people who have attempted this)

[native mica]

the straw the broke the camel's back

[small timber]

the borderlands reference are pretty much just guns (that most people will not even recognize)

[frail mantle]

yea

(also a bunch of accessories)

(most of the formerly RIVs are borderlands references)

[hollow shell]

Borderlands' design lends itself well for adding references to Terraria, too
Having a lot more weapons and equippables than MGR

[small timber]

(I think specifically add Muramasa as an example here might help further reinforce the point, maybe also "Jetstream Sam", since those are like, the 2 most often requested one)

[hollow shell]

I'll add that as a second example

[native mica]

I'm like 90% sure there's another game with more references than MGRR but less than borderlands

[hollow shell]

Hm

Hollow Knight, Resident Evil, Darkest Dungeon...

uhhh

[frail mantle]

not a game but exxo avalon, maybe?

[hollow shell]

Avalon, technically

yeah

Ahhh

Dark Souls

[frail mantle]

john darksoul, main character of sekiro

[native mica]

nevermind

borderlands has 31

[hollow shell]

Where'd you get that number

[small timber]

the thing is just as you can see there are a lot more suggestions about "lets add more MGR reference" than "lets add more borderland or hollow knight reference"

and 90% of them is to give Muramasa a draw attack

[hollow shell]

byeah, cuz MGR is a meme currently

[native mica]

I wanted gun sheith

more speed sword

not buffs

sad

[frail mantle]

guidelight of oblivion

uh

[native mica]

the 2nd one is apparently a mod

[frail mantle]

i can't think of any others

[native mica]

the exxo-avalon mod

with 13

[frail mantle]

oh right the fuckin uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh last sun spirit upgrade

[hollow shell]

HK also has Boss Rush curses (bindings)
And it used to have Iron Heart

I don't know

But I wouldn't be surprised

[frail mantle]

right

[olive summit]

the Stellar Knife is exactly that example tho lmao

[frail mantle]

(i think i've seen one person ever use the curses)

[hollow shell]

The difference is that the Calamity devs added it of their own volition, it was not a suggested item

[frail mantle]

also it doesn't stop time

it's just knives that float in midair

[olive summit]

exactly like Za Warudo knives tho

add a stop sign next

[hollow shell]

That'd be a Madness Tricky reference

[small timber]

references are supposed to be funny "yo I get that!" item, when it becomes literally carbon copy of the item it lose its meaning

because at that point it is just blatant copy for attraction

[olive summit]

that's certainly a loophole
make the reference so esoteric that only you can make the connection unless you expain it

[hollow shell]

I won't even justify why references are inherently good or bad

The reason why it's a Don't is because the suggestion channels used to be flooded with references

[frail mantle]

it's like specific item suggestions

[hollow shell]

They were banned around the same time

It was very easy to make a Specific Item Suggestion that was also a reference

[olive summit]

not the Thief

[small timber]

I seriously dont think that really do anything (the blood moon one), NPC just need more HP in general

[olive summit]

she has 250 as well

[small timber]

I think the only reason NPCs has so little HP currently is to prevent player from cheesing bosses with near invincible NPCs, but ya, suggesting to not make that happen as well might be too specific

[olive summit]

that's why I asked if scaling the health up by progression is possible

[small timber]

I think the easiest way is to make NPC (except Nurse) invincible during boss fight but also dont attack, that way they are still their normal version during events and non-boss time

(though since there is a mod that do that for all time it might be redundant)

[olive summit]

I already just got myself an invincible npc mod because of the aforemention pirate invasion slaughter

like 60% of my townies died in under a minute

at least give em some chance

[small timber]

or just have a destroyer accidently pass through your town

[olive summit]

yeah

[hollow shell]

I also used an immortal NPC mod in my most recent playthrough

[olive summit]

I know cirrus has like 20000 hp, but arguably there are more important NPCs

sorry fab

[fleet igloo]

Exact value is 7500 iirc

[fringe notch]

yeah, but the chance that those people posting the reference to mgr suggestions actually read the don'ts is unlikely

[hot zephyr]

no thanks I only like men

[tardy smelt]

@pulsar wing wrong suggestion format

also, no argumentation

[ruby plover]

check the doc pinned in this channel

there are certain rules you have to abide to

[thin hill]

smh

he didn't use the correct format

[tardy smelt]

^

[fringe notch]

smh my head, can people just not read these days?

[thin hill]

smh

[tardy smelt]

inconspicuous links in your bio to another server are a don't, why does no one read the suggestion don't doc

[thin hill]

[tawny garden]

lmao

[sinful steeple]

i like this suggestion but i feel like mentioning how npcs sometimes randomly get nuked when you fight some bosses is also important

calamitas especially is super good at killing random npcs, had that happening to me a lot in my current playthrough

[fringe notch]

That's the perk of having the Friendly NPCs don't die mod, or whatever it's called

Oh immortal npcs mods were mentioned in their suggestion...

[fallow yarrow]

I don’t think it’s really necessary, since you can increase npc spawn rates and even let them spawn at night in the calamity config already

They will die but then respawn almost immediately

[steel wedge]

What if scal had a Rancor attack?

very spooky

[grim tusk]

@ dom you could steal ideas from here

[tawny garden]

:D

[crude geode]

So true

[eternal escarp]

dream came half true

[crude geode]

Only at the cost of status sphere and Hado which is fine by me

[golden tulip]

hilarious

[eternal escarp]

check #changelogs

if youve read enough to see deletions you can scroll a millisecond more to see reasoning

[willow spindle]

My bro posted this in almost every public channel

[eternal escarp]

o
in that case

@cosmic jungle spammer i think

[cosmic jungle]

spammer?

[eternal escarp]

this

repeated in multiple channels

[cosmic jungle]

oh

@fallen frigate yeah just gonna warn you for that

actually im kinda indecisive so hold on

[golden tulip]

did he just get banned lmao

[cosmic jungle]

oh huh

[distant ermine]

90% sure they left after doing it to all channels

[golden tulip]

hes not in here anymore

lmfao

[cosmic jungle]

well they left

[golden tulip]

problem solved

[cosmic jungle]

lmao

[civic pond]

cuh..

[eternal escarp]

lol, i think

[night jolt]

This might look like a piggyback suggestion, but I gave permission for the first guy to use my suggestion verbatim, and he agreed. He then proceeded to not actually edit his suggestion, so I decided to put mine in anyway.

[little gulch]

Has there been previous discussion of adding the Arena Blocks to the Calamitas Clone in any capacity?

[drowsy plank]

why?

[little gulch]

Just something ive toyed around with in my head. Even if the arena is significantly larger, it would solve the Clone suffering slightly from the "run away constantly to win" syndrome

Just wanted to know if anyone else had brought up anything similar and had reasons for and against

[fossil finch]

There hasn't but it won't happen

[drowsy plank]

i dunno i feel like it takes away identity from the cal clone fight, and i hear people complaining about the brothers being too fast so, while i guess there is a lot of running it isnt like you can just run in one direction, you still have to actively dodge

like you cant just slap down asphault and two teles (if teleporters even worked still, but you get the idea)

[hot zephyr]

runs away

gets instagibbed by a bullet hell

[little gulch]

If you can keep moving in one direction until it ends it does make the bullet hell easier

[drowsy plank]

ignoring the BH phases even with the dashing phases she does a very good job of keeping up

[little gulch]

Just as long as you dont have to double back into the wall of projectiles youve made

Anyway, point proven I suppose.

[drowsy plank]

if running from the BH makes it too easy you could probably just add an enrage if you get too far away from the stationary cal clone, but eh

she does freeze during the BHs, right?

[little gulch]

She freezes in the SCAL fight

Dont think the clone does though

Wierdly

[drowsy plank]

you sure? does it still track you during the BHs or something?

[little gulch]

Not fully sure, about 70% sure

Cant check, dont have a laptop with me rn

[golden tulip]

i think she does

[deft yew]

does literally anything*

[little gulch]

Not many other thoughts I have to share, other than maybe the concept of a Normality Relocator type thing for the Portal Gun to give it some more use cases

[golden tulip]

portal gun is pretty funny already

[drowsy plank]

fast fall be like

tbh that kinda is normality relocator already?

[little gulch]

It feels pretty underused

Even though its a pretty strong movement option if you build arenas with it in mind

[novel belfry]

hmmm

❗ ?

[hollow shell]

@onyx owl That there is a Don't. Also you don't even have any reasoning other than a feeling

[novel belfry]

you could take some of those ideas for a personal mod tbh

on the other hand, there better be a good replacement for the exo gladius if we're removing an exoweapon

[hollow shell]

Also if you are referring to the deleted stuff in #changelogs, that'd be violating the future content Don't too

(Most of the stuff was deleted because they were boring or redundant, and were better off dead than trying to make them more interesting, so I don't know why you'd want to get them back)

[true inlet]

If you want old stuff back just download an older version of the mod

I am going to miss my exo gladius

and if you really want that shit in the current versions just make a separate mod for them yourself

[fossil finch]

never change content, never remove content, never do anything more than infinite additions, else it'll make people mad

[worthy lintel]

don't make a mod at all and you will still make people mad 😎

[night jolt]

If you really want the Exo Gladius and Aquatic Discharge back

Make your own mod

[violet surge]

Not everyone is a god gamer modder

[hollow shell]

You wouldn't need much modding knowledge to recreate a lot of those...

[frail mortar]

A lot of those weapons were really more niche than anything

[drowsy plank]

a lot of those weapons were like starter mod weapons with a nice coat of paint lmao

[frail mortar]

Yeah

XD

[ruby plover]

aha, yeah this is indeed something that needs addressing

i-frames my beloathed

[deft yew]

this is also a big part of why 1.3 hybrid summoner sucks

Er, at least in calamity, even though the 50% nerf exists

[fossil finch]

Pretty sure pumpler rework always had explosions?

[deft yew]

[hollow shell]

I'll have to check the audio file to see if it was designed to loop seamlessly

If it was musically not intended to loop, we're shit-outta-luck

[small timber]

Ya (that is what I guess why it doesnt have it in the first place)

Although it is fine, it is mostly a nitpick, usual scal dont last that long (not even close)

[fossil finch]

As a last resource make it fade off and on

So it isn't an abrupt cut

[hollow shell]

(Dok specifically made the files for the first and second tracks differ from the OST, so that they could loop)

[small timber]

Ya worst case scenerio probably fade in and fade out, I will record a (small) video of how it currently is now

ok wrong format

(I will also change the suggestion title so that it is more possible)

[drowsy plank]

finally some suggestions i can get behind

also cant wait for 1.4, really hope that pumpler iframe fixed gets pushed before 2.0 comes out cause id love to be able to use it on release

[small timber]

nah there will be no patch until 2.0, there are way bigger things than pumpler that dont come out before 2.0

(like AS and OD's poison cloud not working, DoG likes to open portal instantaneously during P2 transition...)

[drowsy plank]

weren't clouds already fixed? i feel like i remember reading that in changelogs

[small timber]

it is in the changelog for 2.0

[drowsy plank]

dont know about that DoG phase 2 thing tho

[small timber]

(was referring to this since I thought you mean they fix it in a small bug patch before 2.0)

[drowsy plank]

i meant pushed into the 2.0 update

lmao

it'd suck to have to wait til post balancing patch to use it to its full potential, but that's what im expecting

[drowsy plank]

man i

i can't fucking find it right now but im 99% sure that people have asked for a leviathan and anahita spawner before and got rejected

i dont think ur not allowed to ask for one but dont expect any results

[hollow shell]

It has definitely been suggested many times before

Haven't put it on the Freq Sugg Don'ts yet
Dunno if I will after this one or not

[olive summit]

I mean, is it being considered?

[small timber]

I think that one did got accepted? the rejected one is like "have infinite spawn item for deus and scal be available before beating them", and leviathan is just an addendum

^

[hollow shell]

Augh that wasn't a great suggestion

Shouldn't have asked for multiple things

[hot zephyr]

so many suggestions ruined by having massive scope or too much detail :(

levi abd anahita spawn method? cool and good

deus and scal changes?

[echo loom]

man

[woven sphinx]

I think that Providence should have a visible border during the cocoon indicating where the debuff is inflicted. It would make it much more clear why the debuff is inflicted.

[tardy smelt]

Iban made a concept for such a border, actually

[woven sphinx]

i was thinking like maybe a ring of fire

[tardy smelt]

its this

when will it get implemented?

hell if i knew

will it get implemented at all???? I don't know but the devs are aware of the issue

[true inlet]

I'll propably hope someone makes exo gladius one, or they add another exo tier shank

[true inlet]

well, Time to steal that suggestion

[tardy smelt]

this concept was quite literally made by a dev

[still zodiac]

off he goes

[true inlet]

ah

massive brain

omega brain

[swift wharf]

this would be really good

[tardy smelt]

and useful, too

[eternal escarp]

@ashen warren two things
theres no real reasoning attached to the sugg, it seems that it kinda just boils down to "why not"
Fearless Goldfish Warrior is a dedicated content, which you'd likely need approval for

but the first thing matters more

[ashen warren]

Idk I just thought it'd be fun mayb 👉👈 it was just a throw away idea anyways, no other thought than "well, usually I kill em instantly with no issue" so mmh

Plus the existence of a warrior insinuates an army or something

[inner anvil]

"It'd be fun" is one of the reasons we have to not allow suggestions in.

[ashen warren]

Aaah ok

[eternal escarp]

ye, i'd recommend reading the pinned Don'ts document

[inner anvil]

In #suggestions-posting , in it's pins, there's a Google Doc with things you can't suggest.

[eternal escarp]

its pretty much pinned in all 3 suggestion channels actually byea

[inner anvil]

Damn, didn't know that.

[ruby plover]

oh wait they actually made a sugg about it someone told them to and they went and did it

[eternal escarp]

not their fault tbh, most new people dont always know about pins

which is unfortunate but thats what it is

[ruby plover]

also damn when did you become blue blast

[eternal escarp]

uhh, 3~ days ago?

[ruby plover]

rad

[ashen warren]

I thought the goldfish warrior is a cutie pie though

Anyways, have fun fellers 🤠

[eternal escarp]

👋

[gloomy barn]

My fault, although I did say to read the pins

[ruby plover]

nah its good its good lol

[fleet igloo]

What was the sugg

[eternal escarp]

doesnt matter

[ruby plover]

wasnt a sugg about this very recently made

[small timber]

(originally not my suggestion, but since the poster didnt seem interested in reposting I will just repost it, since I thik it is a warranted feature)

it is already out of batch (aka it can never reach devs again), since that batch of suggestions had super high average votes

[ruby plover]

ah, right

[gray nebula]

ngl sounds like something better suited for a standalone mod

;

• imagine using a keybind for a dash couldn't be me, double tap for life

[tardy smelt]

I LOVE panic-spamming my movement keys when X boss turns into a supersonic jet while out for my blood

[steel minnow]

Wait, there really are no Acid Wood walls?

That doesn't make any sense lol

[fossil finch]

Just get good

[tribal sail]

i want to suggest warframe reference

[fossil finch]

Don't

[hot zephyr]

we will not implement the arca plasmor or kuva bramma

[fossil finch]

1637

[hot zephyr]

no red crits

@tribal sail explain why this is needed outside of haha warframe reference

[tribal sail]

cool..?

idk i just wanted to suggest something

maybe its an endgame accessory?

whats a sis

[eternal escarp]

basically you cant suggest a specific item just because "itd be cool"

thats passing two Donts

(aka rules)

[tribal sail]

sorry

[drowsy plank]

read the rules impossible challenge

[tribal sail]

read the suggestion donts

very long

just wanted to suggest cool stuff

[golden tulip]

but why

you just read the rules and still posted something just because it would be cool

well i guess it's more for consistency's sake

never had a problem with it myself

[drowsy plank]

where are the mods

who do we normally ping for this stuff

actually i can probably just use the mod mail

[golden tulip]

this sugg is because he wants something to be consistent with the name i think? so idk if this would be rulebreaking

you dont have to use modmail for that

[tribal sail]

No i mean i read it after i posted it

[drowsy plank]

no i mean this is definitely just another SiS lmao

[tribal sail]

i read it when they told me to

it was at the bottom of pins i didnt know

[golden tulip]

its 2 suggs in 1

add x item and change x name

[tribal sail]

theyre related?

no, or

[drowsy plank]

if you want black hawk remote to have a different name, just make that the suggestion

[golden tulip]

add x item because it would be cool is not allowed
change x name for consistency is allowed

[tribal sail]

done

[golden tulip]

that is better

[tribal sail]

yes

this is a black hawk if you didnt know

pretty cool bird

[golden tulip]

it do be

[tribal sail]

black hawk remote jets look like harriers

av8b harrier to be exact

@golden tulip

is my suggestion valid?

[golden tulip]

this again looks like you just want an item in the game because it would be cool

just keep with the rename thing

[tribal sail]

no its a rename!

maybe thats better

[golden tulip]

what does the current black hawk summon item look like?

[tribal sail]

one minute

[golden tulip]

yeah but, what does it look like in reference to irl

[tribal sail]

or maybe the mcdonnel douglas fa18 ab hornet

Nevermind thats twin tail

[fossil finch]

That's a plane!

[tribal sail]

dear god

Whats up with all the weird double tail planes??

[golden tulip]

id just say something like, "this isnt a black hawk, this is a jsgjshgj, please change the name for consistency's sake"

[tribal sail]

ok

[small timber]

Or just use MS paint, combine both photo and have the helicopter one with text "this is black hawk"

(and put it into the suggestion so people know what you are referring to)

[tribal sail]

okay

is that good?

@small timber

[fossil finch]

Id change the title to "rename black hawk remote" because actual black hawks isn't what you're really asking for

[tribal sail]

oh

[golden tulip]

this is good

[tribal sail]

[steel minnow]

I want to suggest Blessing of the Moon in-game :(

What a lovely theme

Since Threats of the ocean floor is finally in

Blessing of the Moon could be added in a sky biome or something

[drowsy plank]

for now id just suggest using tertiary mods for it

[hot zephyr]

not happening

it's a technical limitation

[ashen warren]

Wait since so many things are being removed would it leave enough file space to squeeze the theme in?

(if that's what you're talking about)

[drowsy plank]

nothing is getting removed from the music mod

if that was even the problem

[eternal escarp]

music files are 10x bigger then an item that has like

[ashen warren]

Lol I forgot they were different mods

[eternal escarp]

20 code lines (mandible claw

[ashen warren]

and yeah just dumb

[hot zephyr]

the issue is defining space for the planetoid theme

not a storage issue

[eternal escarp]

also @tribal sail you should remove the warframe sugg as it passes sugg rules like you were told

itd just help save time for mods

[tribal sail]

ok

[gray nebula]

not the MILITARY VEHICLE FANS

[crude geode]

we found one of the like ten

[fossil finch]

FAKE it can be EASILY SOLVED

[drowsy plank]

...i mean there is a mod that already does it, but im guessing they'd prefer a more elegant implementation than that

[hot zephyr]

using methods that we don't want to use

[gray nebula]

even if we could "squeeze the theme in" we would never do that

[hot zephyr]

nono

he's asking if we can add in another track because the shortswords died

[fossil finch]

the funny part is that 20 items equal 3 nothings compared to music files

[hot zephyr]

the shortswords sucked

that's why they died

the guys in R&D could make a thousand shortswords

we just axed em to spite you ;p

[olive summit]

there's already an item you can craft to disable dashes, the Ball & Chain

it's basically another version of those spawn blocker items

[plucky surge]

To be perfectly fair, 1.4 does change shortswords slightly, so I was a bit sad to see all the shortswords go. But yeah, definitely lesser items that aren't worth keeping.

[night jolt]

Disabling them outright is far worse than the current system, in every fight except maybe SCal, having a dash is much much better than not. It could probably be better tho

[hot zephyr]

the awful ones were still awful
the projectile shortswords were barely shortswords at that point

[plucky surge]

Yeah, I get that.

[hot zephyr]

ele. shiv will get a cool rework though :)

[gilded scroll]

did exo gladius get fucked too or?

[bright crag]

Exo Gladius exploded violently

[keen zealot]

they sucked because you couldn't aim the blades themselves

[bright crag]

Maybe Exo Gladius could have gotten a rework similar to Elemental Shiv?

[keen zealot]

I was really looking forward to using them in 1.4 but I guess it's yet another misstep that I just have to live with now

[hot zephyr]

use galileo gladius instead

or any of the shortswords that weren't removed

[delicate mist]

Fabsol should add another one of these, but it's a whole Top Gun reference. Either a F-14, or F-18 from Top Gun : Maverick
Hell, add a MIG 28 and SU-27

[hot zephyr]

exo gladius dying was a goose reference

[gilded scroll]

rip Animus too, why is that gone?

[hot zephyr]

animus was scheduled for deletion ages ago

[fossil finch]

because animus sUCKE

[hot zephyr]

it's been on the "kill" list for like, forever

it was just a broadsword with a gimmick of inconsistency

[fossil finch]

yeah its pretty funny
broadsword but your damage is randomized!

[hot zephyr]

out of the melee category, it was almost unanimously voted to be killed

[tardy geyser]

un-animus-ly

[hot zephyr]

it only was beaten by some all-star calamity weapons like Fulguration Halberd and Temporal Floe Sword

[fossil finch]

temporal flo

[delicate mist]

oof

[drowsy plank]

temporal fuck sword

for real tho, people talking about aimable shortswords but that literally just turns them into every other projectile sword ever

[keen zealot]

every other projectile sword, all two of them

it actually just means there are now two kinds of spears which I've been waiting for for so goddamn long you have no idea

[hot zephyr]

yeah Exo Gladius was just a shitty Nadir

and depending on what the new melee exo weapon could be, it could just be a shitty version of Exo Spear

[small timber]

^

^

[small timber]

^

[small timber]

(also I just reposted your suggestuon since I thought the feature is needed, if you want any change just tell me)

[bright crag]

Exo Spear! Exo Spear! Exo Spear! Exo Spear!

[calm fossil]

Baby talk

[drowsy plank]

in calamity!!!! i fuckin know there's only like 4 projectile swords in vanilla! there are ZERO projectile shortswords in vanilla! i thought it was pretty obvious what i was talking about!

[fossil finch]

Exo Spear is boring

Exo gauntlet is were it's at

[warped tide]

you know

since its a 1.4 port

you COULD do an Exo Flail

like a Planet Smasher or something

though that would require more flail

[keen zealot]

I literally cannot think of a single projectile sword that functions anything like vanilla ones aside from murasama and certain parts of the ark line

[drowsy plank]

the terra shiv literally just shot a projectile like the terra blade

[hollow shell]

Oh

[drowsy plank]

the only reason it was different was it could only shoot in 2 directions

which was gone now

[hollow shell]

Nimta you have a different definition of "projectile sword" than is commonly accepted

[keen zealot]

a sword that IS projectile is a projectile sword

[drowsy plank]

oh you mean like, the terragrim

[keen zealot]

because they are functionally distinct

[drowsy plank]

im just talking about a sword that shoots a projectile

[hollow shell]

A lot of people refer to weapons like Terra Blade and Exoblade as "projectile swords"

(or "beam swords")

[keen zealot]

THAT's the better term yes

[hollow shell]

Using the term "projectile melee" to differentiate from "true melee"

[warped tide]

…

[keen zealot]

if not for arkhalis and terragrim I'd much rather call the projectile swords shortspears

[warped tide]

still for an exo flail

[keen zealot]

because that's what they are

[warped tide]

since currently

uh

[crude geode]

what sugg was this convo originally about (it's clearly not in relation to any anymore)

[warped tide]

well a spear would be boring apparently

[drowsy plank]

i dont think it was related to a sugg actually, but it was about why the shortswords were murdered, which stemmed off the planetoids theme cause they thought that might've freed up enough space to add it which just. isnt how this works at all. but that's how we got here.

[crude geode]

wacky

[hollow shell]

@last cedar

At least you deleted it instantly

[fossil finch]

This literally already happens

Bottom text

[small timber]

@livid heart i think what you want to say might be "make boss health scale with multiplayer more"

[hollow shell]

@ImSadGuys#5881 Your title line does not line up with the rest of your suggestion
You're asking for the multiplayer boss health scaling to be more significant, it has nothing to do with difficulty modes

[fossil finch]

Also reword your sugg to acknowledge this i think

[livid heart]

Im dumb

[small timber]

Also what is the initial reason calamity decrease MP boss HP scaling? Iframe issue maybe? Since the current situation is like, 4 player PBG have barely more than 2x HP if I remember correctly

[hollow shell]

Calamity does indeed decrease the HP scaling

In vanilla I think it's a pure multiplier?
Two players means 2x HP, four players means 4x HP

while we make it more like
1.2x and 1.4x
or something

Alright here it is

[livid heart]

Im saying that because in multiplayer there have been several times when 4 people completely shred bosses

[hollow shell]

So yeah SadGuys the thing your suggesting already exists
But you can edit your sugg to make it so Calamity's nerf is less intense, or ask for it to be removed altogether and use the vanilla values

[spark pulsar]

Pretty sure you can increase multiplayer scaling in calamity config unless that was removed

[hollow shell]

You can increase HP just, raw

[spark pulsar]

Ah ok

[hollow shell]

But generally this is kind of a
band-aid solution

[small timber]

ya ideally the player dont have to touch config unless needed

(also 256% for 4 player is really low)

[livid heart]

Yeah every boss we fight we destroy

[hollow shell]

This sugg looks better now, thank you

[livid heart]

Almost every boss

Yw

The only bosses we had trouble with were plantera, the moon lord, and maybe dog?

[small timber]

those boss I think is because plantera is an arena boss, moon lord is hard to hit and dog you basically dont deal damage unless you hit head or tail

[livid heart]

Yharon we firsttried

[livid heart]

Moon lord was hsrd because of his eyes opened and closing

[hollow shell]

byeah
ML pretty heavily gates your DPS

[small timber]

(and multiplayer respawning is also an issue too, since calamity bosses' damage generally is balanced for long-drawn out fight to wear the player down, but multiplayer bypass that by having infinite respawn)

[hollow shell]

Luckily that was fixed in 1.4, or at least made less of a problem

[livid heart]

Thankfully

[small timber]

ya 1.4 make top eye open for longer time

[livid heart]

Im so hyped for 1.4 calamity

But thats not what this channels for

[hollow shell]

lol

[royal tapir]

mfw changelog 220

[crude geode]

Me when the boss doesn’t have phases (this makes it a bad fight)

[novel belfry]

wait what?

ah

[novel belfry]

it's a post-plantera Hardmode boss, and it doesn't have really much interesting attacks anyways

however, given that it appears that astrum aureus already has a rework, i've decided to nuke my sugg anyways

[small timber]

(and I dont think a "rework boss" suggestion will pass, it is not exactly like aureus is super bad in terms of design, it is only that it is on the easy side)

[novel belfry]

still, the boss fight isn't the most interesting

[small timber]

since the only "rework boss" suggestion that enter voting was like, rework destroyer (because old destroyer was a massive pain)

the thing is boss fight (and also reworking one) is too grand scale for suggestions

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Is this too large scale of a sugg

[small timber]

(he already deleted it)

[crude geode]

Nvm

[novel belfry]

the 1.5 destroyer. GOOD GOD, THAT WAS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS EVER TO EXIST

[tardy smelt]

Better than pre-Draedon destro

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about

exos are on the same tier as cal's weapons now

they're not "made" to fight her with

[eternal escarp]

Currently, I feel there are a lot of things wrong with the current progression post-DoG. For one, I find it quite strange to give Mage and Summoner class players the Silva Armor set, while the Ranged, Melee, and Rogue class players are given the God Slayer Armor set. I feel that the God Slayer Armor, like before, should be the armor set for all classes after you beat the Devourer of Gods, and will be what is used against Yharon.
Mages and summoners get the armor themed around a more magical character while the other classes get their own armor
actual replayability because both sides have their own thing instead of them all going through the same progression makes it interesting and not streamlined for all classes

In addition to this, I feel as though the section of the game for Supreme Calamitas and Exo Mechs should be split apart more. In my head, I feel Yharon > Exo Mechs > Supreme Calamitas would make more sense. Currently, the player is given the choice of whether they would like to fight the Exo Mechs or Supreme Calamitas first, in which most players choose to fight Supreme Calamitas first for her powerful weapons. Doing this completely negates the purpose of Miracle Matter, the item used to make powerful Exo Weapons for Supreme Calamitas.
this is quite completely subjective, i personally always do Exo Mechs first as i find them easier

and they have stronger loot for Rangers, Rogues and Melee players

its a choice for a reason

[drowsy plank]

dont the exo weapons have comparable DPS to the scal dropped weapons now anyway

[eternal escarp]

i believe they do, yes

im really not sure what the sugg is trying to fix

making progression forced streamline goes agianst the entire point

[drowsy plank]

it'd seem weird for them to suddenly try to backpedal on actually giving the player variety in their gear

[small timber]

ya that is way too large scale, even if the reason is valid

[eternal escarp]

its not really large scale its just kinda

why

[drowsy plank]

the only thing valid there is the first line

lmao

[eternal escarp]

the first thing is asking for old feature which was changed, so that wont happen

[hot zephyr]

the godslayer/silva split won't be changed