its too easy
#suggestions-discussion
drowsy plank
what mods are you using
ashen warren
all
sand ermine
all?
ashen warren
all
ashen warren
calamity
sand ermine
and?
drowsy plank
just /modlist in terraria chat and screenshot it
sand ermine
???
sand ermine
this guy has to be trolling
ashen warren
No
drowsy plank
ok i was kind of hoping you would also post your build with that screenshot, and i already figured he was trolling considering how unproductive all of his responses have been
sand ermine
yeah
ashen warren
what troll
drowsy plank
drowsy plank
i still have no idea how that hallowed sugg passed it really is just the "uelibloom in hallowed" suggestion again and the devs already mentioned they had ideas to put more profaned stuff in there
maybe im just worried that im gonna have to rework the fishing sugg again again just to get it to pass
tardy smelt
yes or no?
Refer to my nickname
ashen warren
Difficulty is Objective?
warped tide
Oh Crap Moment
I think Scal getting something similar to Yharon after her brothers die where she’s invincible for a hot minute and regenerating her health from 1
theres a definite tone shift in the fight after her brothers die
and a different part of the track plays
Hell, after the brothers come out, she could start regening then
though there isnt much of a moment that this could happen for the Exo Mechs because its honestly Mecha Mayhem and the “oh crap” moment is literally the entire fight
grim tusk
Ohio + dashes, Blender and T hanos beam
But when they’re the last mech they become fast
ashen warren
Super buff Supreme Calamitas
It's too easy, I beat it on malice mode first try. Please super buff it
hot zephyr
fossil bronze
what would a "super buff" to scal even be
more projectile spam?
instakill projectiles??
orchid briar
grim tusk
full circle
night jolt
hot zephyr
hollow shell
(Also I'm gonna contact that SCal guy from earlier)
night jolt
Sorry
strong pagoda
This is what's bugging me the most about the buffed build speed. With a single mouse press it can sometimes place two torches. The only way for this to not happen is to release the mouse button insanely fast after pressing it.
short walrus
alternatively, move your mouse out further (completely invalidating that argument)
also, why
the only argument for the config you have is that the build speed slightly annoyed you, which is hardly justification for more config bloat
unborn oriole
This is what's bugging me the most about the buffed build speed. With a single m...
Why is your marnite obliterator on the last slot?
strong pagoda
Why is your marnite obliterator on the last slot?
Not related, but I like having my weapons on the left and my tools on the right.
short walrus
seriously though just hold the mouse out further from the player the autoplace function completely invalidates that problem
strong pagoda
seriously though just hold the mouse out further from the player the autoplace f...
If I move my mouse further away, it brings out my glowsticks. So I'd be throwing glowsticks instead of placing torches
unborn oriole
Why would the game do that
strong pagoda
Why would the game do that
I'm holding shift.
unborn oriole
Who doesn't put torches on their hotbar on early game actually?
short walrus
^
unborn oriole
I'm holding shift.
Oh
unborn oriole
Who doesn't put torches on their hotbar on early game actually?
Then just
hollow shell
That does
not fix the issue
Build speed is the same whether you are using an item from the hotbar or while holding Shift
short walrus
we're talking in terms of holding the mouse further from the player
small timber
Then how does that issue relate to mining speed and walk speed
hollow shell
we're talking in terms of holding the mouse further from the player
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say when you say that doing this will solve his multiple placement issue
How would that make him only place one torch instead of two?
strong pagoda
Then how does that issue relate to mining speed and walk speed
The buff got applied to all of those. I thought others might want the option to toggle all buffs, so I included it in the suggestion.
short walrus
autoplace (which they had enabled in the video)
short walrus
when you hold command and the cursor changes
hollow shell
Oh, that.
short walrus
or control?
pure bluff
autoplace (which they had enabled in the video)
donyou mean smart cursor
pure bluff
lol
small timber
Ya smart cursor (ctrl) do work like that, just the placed torch position can also be rather random I think
short walrus
it places it in dark spots within your reach
hollow shell
Alright now I see what you were trying to say
short walrus
i am clinically incomprehensible, sorry
small timber
The buff got applied to all of those. I thought others might want the option to ...
Oh right, probably should mention what you said in this in your suggestion ^
Since otherwise people will be confusing as to how they are related
strong pagoda
Oh right, probably should mention what you said in this in your suggestion ^
Si...
Am I allowed to edit my suggestion in #suggestions-posting?
To mention that
hollow shell
But uh yeah personally I would like for the base buffs to be a config option in order to
- Offer an in-game explanation for those buffs to the player, right now there is nothing in the game that explains that Calamity improves the player's stats by default (I've seen some people confused by this, thinking that something in their inventory was doing it and they had no idea what)
- Mod compatibility. Other mods may/do have early-game movement options which become unbalanced due to Calamity's default changes, and Calamity offers no way to turn off those changes aside from disabling the whole mod, which is unhelpful
small timber
Ya you can edit for free
hollow shell
Yes you can edit your sugg
small timber
The only one that might be difficult to turn into config is mining speed right? Due to how it is implemented
hollow shell
wdym
strong pagoda
But uh yeah personally I would like for the base buffs to be a config option in ...
Do you mind if I add this explanation to the suggestion?
hollow shell
Sure you can do that
small timber
The only one that might be difficult to turn into config is mining speed right? ...
Oh sorry, I heard the mining speed one was changed by directly changing the base mining speed of some pickaxes (instead of say just increase player mining speed) so I thought it will be more difficult
hollow shell
I'm currently digging through the source trying to find how we do the change
hollow shell
I mean
That's not really.. a big issue
They're all categorized and have their own images n stuff
small timber
I think some are fine, most notably mod compability one (just like turn off defense damage/defense buff, old muramasa etc... Are big NO)
hollow shell
It's weird that this is something Calamity changes about the default game and it doesn't have a config
We have those options for Proficiency and Boss Zen and the Boss Health Bar and Frozen Lungs and Expert Enemy Spawns In Towns and Expert Debuff Durations
And yet we don't have one for this change
for some reason
small timber
Ye I think the reason is just it is perceived as "there is no reason people dont want it"
strong pagoda
It's weird that this is something Calamity changes about the default game and it...
Yea I was surprised when I didn't see an option for this in the config after seeing all other available options.
hollow shell
That's yet another thing you could include in your suggestion
Inconsistency
This is one of the only base behavior changes that has no config option
strong pagoda
Since the buffs happens in all difficulties. I'd expect it to be under this category.
sand ermine
hollow shell
Yeah most likely
sand ermine
i still find it confusing people dont have npcs spawn at night on and town npc spawn multiplier up to the max
then again i am the sort of person who uses alchnpc without regret...
thin hill
Alot of people use alchnpc
Except if you use alchfull
Then you got explaining to do
Also I agree Mr. L
drowsy plank
i still think alchnpc is dumb but only cause it's basically just bloat considering npcs sell potions now
ruby plover
should i get image examples of what my suggestion is saying, or is it... at least comprehensible
ashen warren
i understand but then again i know how the weapon works properly
warped tide
Boss Zerg 
hollow shell
I do understand the sugg
I can see people being confused if they're unfamiliar with the wep but that's on them
It do have a wiki gif
muted osprey
ruby plover
It do have a wiki gif
oh right, i might grab that methinks
just so people can like, glance at the suggestion and immediately know what i mean
wait you cant add images/gifs into a message if it didnt have one originally can you 
ill just make a new message for it ig
eternal escarp
nitpick
but its a flail not a whip
hollow shell
(It's technically neither but we call it a flail)
ruby plover
oh right yeah
thin hill
Good
night jolt
That suggestion in voting
That's literally something they both already have
Exo Mechs have desperation phases depending on which order you kill them, and SCal has those stupid balls and the part where she respawns Sepulcher
inner anvil
Basically, we don't need to refill HP bars to have a surprise moment.
small timber
(technically not violating any dont so ya cant really just deny it)
night jolt
Also why would they add something like that after removing it from the only bosses that had it?
drowsy plank
they wont, but it's a great way to waste a sugg slot
strong pagoda
How does the suggestion voting work? Do you have to reach a certain amount of votes?
frail mantle
every friday the suggestion takes every suggestion that's older than 7 days but younger than 14 and sends the top 20% most starred suggestions to the dev server
stiff swallow
neat
frail mantle
then the devs vote on the suggestions and the final verdict for whether it'll be accepted or not arrives on sunday
strong pagoda
Ok thanks
small timber
@ashen prism
ashen prism
oh
small timber
If you like, seriously want a moab upgrade at least should drop the bloons reference part
(and provide more reasoning of why moab type movement is needed for later point of progression when things like fishron or even solar wing exist which are way more superior)
Because moab is already post all mechs so an upgrade will have to be even later into the game
ashen prism
alright, I see
drowsy plank
we had a pretty extensive discussion on how hard it would even be to make a good moab upgrade when you can just use wings + a balloon already anyway
ashen prism
well why would you use 2 accessory slots for that rather than 1
drowsy plank
because you can get rid of all the shitty jumps
you only really would use a double jump in hardmode as a sort of long range "aerial dash", hence why some nohitters use a blizzard in a balloon upgrade because it's basically the best one as it moves the fastest
the real issue with MOAB is that the other jumps are actually detrimental to the accessory as a whole because it stops you from reaching the wings, which aren't even very good
wings just have more control and speed in general except for the Blizzard
which is like the only reason you'd use one right now
ashen prism
perhaps being able to switch between the 2 modes of moving
crude geode
@hollow shell reference sugg
drowsy plank
i mean
no
that doesnt really fix the issue here
you just
wouldn't use BoB in hardmode
like
ever
drowsy plank
like yes i think everyone wants MOAB to be good but it just
isnt
i think the double jumps are all like hardcoded too so trying to buff the individual jumps gets all weird
ashen prism
I'm not sure if it's just me
but the Moab's jumps seem different than the BoB's jumps
lemme test
oh yeah no
bob jumps is better than the moab jumps
night jolt
OK, I'm afraid this is probably something that would classified as a "just because" suggestion, but its so infuriating I need to at least get feedback
The Avalanche is literally a battleaxe
Why does it not have axe functionality?!?!?!
worthy lintel
wait that weapon exists?
one could argue its because fighting on the surface with it would be aids if it had axe power
butchering nearby trees by accident when fighting is 
if a dev comes here with a reasoning let me know
small timber
bob jumps is better than the moab jumps
that is basically because balloon jump acts differently depend on if you have wings equipped, and bob jump (or balloon jump) basically become worse if you have wings equipped
however, MOAB = always have wings equipped because moab itself is bob + wings
meanwhile, there are specific balloon that get way better IF you have wings equipped (compare to with no wings equipped), those are blizzard balloon and fart balloon, or just normal cloud balloon jump
to put it simply for MOAB upgrade to be an actual upgrade (rather than just adding a lot of balloon jumps which end up ruining the item), will be say to make said MOAB upgrade ONLY use those specific jumps that works well with wings
this of course will make the accessory super meta as you basically use technical/meta knowledge to minmax the accessory to be the perfect movement accessory
hollow shell
however, MOAB = always have wings equipped because moab itself is bob + wings
solution: remove the wing function from MOAB
Just make it do a fuckload of jumps
small timber
ya there is at least honey, sharkron and fart (so 6 jumps MOAB)
grim tusk
Can we like move MOAB upgrades to frequently suggested in the suggs doc
hot zephyr
Fart will never be in a MOAB upgrade
hollow shell
Can we like move MOAB upgrades to frequently suggested in the suggs doc
I was thinking of doing that yeah
We've been getting these suggs since the SIS days
hot zephyr
Personally if there's ever a MOAB upgrade I don't think it should utilize more balloons
Well, at least in the recipe
Get weird with it, adding more jumps would be so boring
Random bullshit, go
Throw in a dash line, Sabaton, maybe another weird niche movement accessory
Add in Shroomite hoverboard for shits and giggles
small timber
the other is maybe like the config for reverting early speed changes (but those never got enough vote)
(or goblin tinkerer reforge as config)
stiff swallow
is there a reason for spirit lamp (a magic weapon) being part of astreal defeat (a ranged weapon)
crude geode
It’s like half of the weapon’s design
That said I also hate it and it is rather annoying that such a signature magic weapon just. gets an upgrade in the form of a ranged weapon.
stiff swallow
idk i saw that and was like
thats kinda dumb u dont usually use weapons of a different class to make a weapon
crude geode
Usually not but it occasionally happens (dono weapons 
)
stiff swallow
only exceptions i think that "made sense" no longer exist
crude geode
If you wanna make a suggestion about removing spirit lamp feel free
small timber
I think exo twins make sense but ares will make no sense?
it will always be locked on your screen, and the deceleration will not matter except like laser arm (which is irrelevant what kind of weapon you are using)
another thing worth considering is also how much harder to hit scal with a true melee weapon which makes them necessary
crude geode
All 3 of the bosses that don’t have it have pretty much locked positions on your screens 24/7. SCal more often moves around
small timber
another thing worth considering is also how much harder to hit scal with a true ...
@night jolt the reason normal mechs (twins, skeletron prime) have it is to help true melee weapon actually be able to hit the boss without being unfairly hit all the time/straight out impossible to hit them without getting damaged
Exo mechs ares, artemis and apollo literally is locked on your screen position all the time, deceleration will have 0 effect on them and will make no sense
if you want a true melee buff it will be closer to like, "Make ares, artemis and apollo stay closer to the player if you are using true melee weapon", but that will become subjective as that might make the fight with true melee just harder
and scal needs it because otherwise it is comically hard to hit scal with a true melee weapon
grim tusk
4 hour true melee scal fight 
night jolt
Honestly, I didn't even think True Melee needed a buff against Exo Mechs, I just thought that at least the Twins weren't perfectly locked onto you
And I thought that was a huge inconsistency, but I guess I was wrong lol
grim tusk
Remember when true melee was like: yea this is cool, kudos and funny if you made it work.
And now people rant about why they cant kill everything with the subclass, just as they do with flamethrowers, shortswords and spears.
crude geode
blame the amount of support for it. there's literally an enchantment to remove the projectiles from weapons lol
grim tusk
Well at least its better than having it be an unviable mess, thats for sure
But i wish the community wasnt so demanding on some stuff that does not matter much
Like self-imposed challenges
Looking at you defiled
novel belfry
sentries have it even worse. imagine having actual armors dedicated to you in vanilla, but calamity decides,
"no, not even the summoner armors you get in post-moon lord will grant ANY sentry slots"
the throwing armors? justified, the rogue class is supposed to be a new class
grim tusk
At least vanilla will help (and totally flip sentry balance on its head) in 1.4.4
novel belfry
oh yeah, forgot the next cal update is 1.4
novel belfry
yeah, but that's just a table buff
i want actual calamity armor and accessory support for an subclass that ALREADY has such things in vanilla
grim tusk
Thing is OoA is a shit event but you could do a sugg on it as long as you dont mention OoA
crude geode
calamity doesn't particularly enjoy subclasses unless it's like. a core part of the class' identity like rogue.
grim tusk
Like sentries viable no OoA needed would be good
crude geode
true melee gets a pass bc melee moment
grim tusk
calamity doesn't particularly enjoy subclasses unless it's like. a core part of ...
Basically stealth rogue and true melee
crude geode
(cuz it's how the class always should have been)
grim tusk
And the hybrids between stealth and spam and true and false melee
small timber
I mean sentry slot in general is supposed to be way more valuable than minion slot (as each single sentry is stronger) which is why just those +1 sentry accessories are fine
grim tusk
Yea things like Duke’s decapitator hit like a fucking truck
Compared to a small amount of minions
small timber
and this
grim tusk
I completely forgot about that
small timber
if it is just 👍 then maybe, if it is 🛠️ it is already in progress to be implemented
grim tusk
Sentries felt like what they tried to do instead of whips but they were so bad in vanilla (outside of lightning aura when it was bugged) that no one gave a fuck
crude geode
I completely forgot about that <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
I think the devs did too
grim tusk
At least some lurk here so now they will see it
small timber
sentries are just overpowered in general (unless you need to spam them like those arbalest staffs)
because it is basically free dps that is not balanced around on top of minions
grim tusk
sentries are just overpowered in general (unless you need to spam them like thos...
In cal
In vanilla sentries are shit
Although i need to see how perdition interacts with whips, that would be funny
small timber
I mean in vanilla isnt the highest tier sentry like, frost hydra staff?
grim tusk
I mean in vanilla isnt the highest tier sentry like, frost hydra staff?
ML drops
But they are shit
Lunar portal and crystal
crude geode
lunar portal always felt more like a craftable than a ml drop tbfh
I blame the fact it isn't random af like his other drops
small timber
1.4.4 will buff them so just hope they dont for some reason become last prism in power because haha post game stuff
crude geode
I remember crystal and hydra just bc unique, even if they are complete shit in terms of dps.
grim tusk
Today i will grind meowmere for zenith, :clueless:, 50 lunar portals later 
small timber
I think 50 lunar portals/moon lord is unironically fine
the not fine thing is the 20 (master mode) lunar pillar event you have to experience
dusty stirrup
I think the devs did too <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
I didn't
hot zephyr
#suggestions-discussion when a 🛠️ suggestion isn't implemented in a hotfix 3.2 seconds after the suggestion was posted....
fossil finch
Funny bfb and zomg sugg number denied again
hot zephyr
we're keeping the BFB cut for ourselves
true inlet
in my opinion a lead zeppelin reference would be better for a MOAB upgrade
like the rock band lead zeppelin
fossil finch
Too bad
There's more bloons fans than there is lead zeppelin fans
Moab itself is already a bloon references anyway
hot zephyr
counterpoint
no more references
epic trolling style drop references from the line entirely 
steep yoke
oh oops. Sorry 
stiff swallow
yharims dialogue should just be it has to be this way
frail mantle
grim tusk
@hollow shell yharim sugg
fossil bronze
" - Dialog: make something like Draedon"
game desing
inner anvil
@dull canyon Placing a music box in your vanity slots so you can hear the theme everywhere is already a feature.
@glossy marten Specific Item Suggestions are not allowed.
glossy marten
Well I'd say it's general
inner anvil
You're saying what items and which point in progression should be around.
It's specific enough to get rejected.
glossy marten
alright, I will rephrase it to be generic
dull canyon
<@318030041772589056> Placing a music box in your vanity slots so you can hear t...
nah its in my vanity slots but no music is coming from it
its all the same underground music
inner anvil
I went in game right now to check, it is a feature, so I have no clue.
dull canyon
its only when its in the actual accessory slot
glossy marten
I went in game right now to check, it is a feature, so I have no clue.
I believe it is a 1.4 change
inner anvil
Is it? Then I'd make sense, because I'm using the beta build for 1.4 Cal.
glossy marten
yes, wiki confirms it
dull canyon
Neat
inner anvil
Alright, then my bad.
So @dull canyon , it's gonna' be a feature already soon-ish, so you don't need that suggestion.
dull canyon
Aight ill just delete it lol
glossy marten
alright, I will rephrase it to be generic
done
inner anvil
Thing with this suggestion that I should've said before, Evasion Scarf is a donor item, so we'll need permission from the donor if he wants his item to be a recipe for something else.
inner anvil
Problem: if we make an upgrade for Counter Scarf that supports true melee and then there's Evasion Scarf that does the same, the donor would have paid for something that already is in the game, see the problem I mean? There's conflict.
glossy marten
you could make that argument for most things, not all donor items are good
and it's not like they have to be at the same stage of the game
eternal escarp
you could make that argument for most things, not all donor items are good
that doesnt provide the sugg any real reasoning tbh
at that point youre better of sugg to buff Evasion Scarf because its x and y on tier
small timber
isnt evasion scarf still exist?
eternal escarp
it does
glossy marten
yes, which is why I said another
small timber
- I thought 2.0 will gonna remove the evasion scarf buffs or something
glossy marten
evasion scarf isn't going anywhere lol I just think another scarf could be interesting
small timber
oh ok it is remove the chaos state thing not the true melee buff
glossy marten
scarves have a nice aesthetic
small timber
I mean, having a 2nd upgrade to counter scarf will make like, no sense really
if the suggestion is "add upgrade to evasion scarf" then sure
glossy marten
that was the original
but problem is
you can't upgrade donor items
without permission from the donor
small timber
oh ok so thats why
small timber
ya this one probably will just wait for mods to see if it can pass, since it is a rare case of that you can't really suggest the more reasonable approach (which will be upgrading evasion scarf)
night jolt
I'm pretty sure the person who wanted an upgrade for the Counter Scarf wouldn't be opposed to the upgrade having an upgrade, but OK
small timber
I think it is just the general approach to donor items, basically dont touch them unless confirmed approved otherwise
the only exception is like, balancing (eg: how NR is nerfed like twice)
glossy marten
I think it is just the general approach to donor items, basically dont touch the...
this
steel wedge
any plans for more spiky ball upgrades? abyssal flame vulnerability hex or some exo mech thing idk god's paranoia isn't good/fun enough for me
inner anvil
Suggestions about expanding sub-classes (like Spiky Balls) are not allowed for the sake of making an only sub-class playthrough or just adding more because it doesn't do a full line of progression. We'll add more if we feel like it.
grim tusk
Exo balls
inner anvil
Stop.
steel wedge
ok bb
soft quest
with the addition of voice chat chats, will actual voice chats be deleted or will there just be both
hollow shell
The current ones will probably get archived
hollow shell
byeah @steep yoke You're not allowed to make suggestions regarding future content like that
That, and your suggestion is ridiculously specific, which is also heavily discouraged
opaque heath
how much is the slowmode in #suggestions-posting (just out of curiosity)
I'd assume it's like 6hours?
novel belfry
its 10 mins
half sage
10 minutes, you can see how much a slowmode is for by hovering over the stopwatch icon
night jolt
For the record, the thing that actually should happen is adding the Evasion Scarf to the Ninja Belt and Void Sash, but again, I understand why thats probably not happening
hollow shell
Indeed
I don't really like the Counter Scarf sugg but I don't really know what to say about it
The fact that Evasion Scarf is a donor item definitely makes the situation muddy
crude geode
you could point out that counter scarf indeed has an upgrade, evasion scarf
hollow shell
Cursed they mention Evasion in the sugg
crude geode
true but it already serves as an upgrade
plus after the point evasion scarf runs out you get ninja belt and void sash
hollow shell
However, those have a different dodge mechanic
Long on-hit cooldown, rather than short dash-into cooldown
Hang on, lemme see if the Evasion donor can be contacted, that'd make this a lil easier
Hello @serene egret
There's a suggestion in #suggestions-posting regarding adding an upgrade to Counter Scarf, which would make more sense as an upgrade to Evasion Scarf
Do you grant permission for the suggestion to ask for an upgrade to Evasion Scarf
serene egret
For sure!
hollow shell
Epic 👍 Thank you
@glossy marten You can edit your suggestion to be an Evasion upgrade now, and fix that dilemma you had earlier
night jolt
I still think it makes more sense to roll the Scarf into the Ninja Belt instead of suggesting a new upgrade
crude geode
roll the scarf into the belt
mmmyes
ruby plover
i think if the belt had the scarf dash dodge, it would just make it even more alike to a worse shield bash
hollow shell
(you can't shield bash projectiles tho)
night jolt
I was moreso meaning the Melee buff, but you're not exactly wrong
Personally, I think that whole tree of upgrades starting from at least the Belt should just give full immunity to contact damage during the dash, like you phase through contact damage when you dash and it doesn't eat your dodge
small timber
(wait isnt the new moab suggestion still a bit too much reference without much reasoning)
@hollow shell
small timber
(and provide more reasoning of why moab type movement is needed for later point ...
^ havent explain this too
hollow shell
I figured I would just let this one through then I can ban all future mentions of BFB and ZOMG
small timber
Oh ok, make sense
hollow shell
Has been done
pine island
Can we rename Yharon to a kid named finger?
broken jasper
No
pine island
kid named finger
hollow shell
Stop
primal cairn
Does calamity make any changes to how the bone key is obtained? I couldn’t find anything on the wiki but I’m just double checking
I ask this because I want to make a suggestion regarding the bone key
As I think having to kill dungeon guardian to get it is stupid
hollow shell
afaik it makes no changes to it
primal cairn
Ok
hollow shell
Why do you think its obtainment method is stupid
frail mortar
Dungeon guardians are decently easy if you do it right
primal cairn
You aren’t meant to fight the dungeon guardian
It’s literally a punishment for trying to go to the dungeon early
dense ferry
That's the point of the item
primal cairn
Why give a reward for something the player isn’t supposed to do
frail mortar
Just use a straight platform with a teleporter on each end
hollow shell
That's
yeah that's the whole point of why Bone Key exists
It's Re-Logic's reward to you for completing an unfair challenge
dense ferry
It's a reward for doing something stupid, yeah
primal cairn
Well yeah it is a challenge as in it’s hard
distant gyro
it is a goofy thing people do
primal cairn
But not a challenge as in like
frail mortar
Get a weapon with a decently high attack speed, damage literally doesn't matter because DG has 9999 defense
primal cairn
It’s an optional challenge the player is intended to do
frail mortar
And just teleport back and forth between 2 teleporters
primal cairn
Dungeon guardian being a piece of cake to kill now doesn’t excuse the existence of the bone key either
hollow shell
Bone Key also is a purely vanity item, it serves no practical purpose to the player that you would be missing out on otherwise
dense ferry
And it's not like Terraprisma that is an amazing weapon that is locked behind something, it's a pet that is there to say "hey, I killed this thing that is supposed to be unkillable"
hollow shell
It's just one of the many pets in the game
dense ferry
Yeah, Calamity removes a bunch of challenge drops, but this one just shouldn't
Simply because it doesn't make any sense
frail mortar
It would be funny if that pet tried to kill you on rare occasions
hollow shell
The thing about the Challenge Drops was that they did serve a practical purpose
They were weapons with unique functions
and some accessories too
frail mortar
Like how the companion cube actually can try to kill you
dense ferry
Yeah, Bone Key just summons a normal pet
primal cairn
Even if it’s just a pet and doesn’t really matter much
frail mortar
Why not just make the DG pet try to charge at you and deal damage on rare occasions
opaque heath
10 minutes, you can see how much a slowmode is for by hovering over the stopwatc...
ik but I'm on mobile lol
hollow shell
Why not just make the DG pet try to charge at you and deal damage on rare occasi...
That would simply be silly
and, not worth our time, considering it would be universally disliked, lol
primal cairn
That doesn’t automatically mean it’s method of obtainment makes sense
frail mortar
The companion cube tries to kill you in the dark
dense ferry
It does. We just said it's a reward for doing something you aren't supposed to
frail mortar
Make the DG pet attempt to kill you if you have it equipped while in the dungeon
small timber
thats is literally the point, killing dungeon guardian is meant to be stupid, it is something you literally shouldnt do especially that skeletron is required for lunatic cultist spawn (in vanilla)
frail mantle
It’s a silly mostly useless reward for doing a silly mostly useless thing
primal cairn
But it’s something you aren’t supposed to do why reward the player for it even if it’s just a vanity pet
small timber
it is a consolation prize for "yaaaa you did it WOO HOO (now you still have to kill skeletron, here have this bone key)"
dense ferry
Terraria is a sandbox game. You are allowed to fuck around all you want, and that includes killing what is supposed to be an unkillable monster
hollow shell
You can make a suggestion about it if you are so convinced of your point, Kek
But be forewarned that it will receive a lot of backlash
primal cairn
Alright
dense ferry
But it’s something you aren’t supposed to do why reward the player for it even i...
Why NOT reward the player?
frail mantle
Yea I don’t think it’d be invalid as long as you can argue your point well
But I doubt it’ll get a lot of stars either
hollow shell
(And again the reward is purely just vanity
It offers you no practical advantage)
dense ferry
Yeah
small timber
why does you want bone key to be moved elsewhere? do you want bone key to be easier to obtain or harder to obtain?
I dont see the point
primal cairn
Yeah it is a small thing that doesn’t matter too much
I just think that no matter its significance it being a drop from dungeon guardian is questionable
hollow shell
To be honest I feel like you should be making this argument about Halibut Cannon, lol
That actually does give you a significant practical advantage for doing something that you're not supposed to do
Though I guess AEW has been officialized more as of late
as a real fight
small timber
the thing about bone key is it is not even a reward, you can just skip over it completely and you likely can get better pets
the existence of bone key is pretty much just for collection in that sense
primal cairn
Even if it doesn’t give any direct benefits and is purely vanity I’d say it still counts as a reward, especially considering bone key’s rarity making it much more appealing (albeit that’s kinda nullified by the existence of cheat sheet among other things)
hollow shell
that second bit is kind of a complete non-argument
primal cairn
Yeah
hollow shell
This does appear to be going in circles
small timber
if people want it that hard they can literally log in a late game character, enter a new world and run into dungeon, and they will get it real fast
hollow shell
If you definitely feel like you're going to make a suggestion then just make it so we can quit arguing
((although the arguing will continue for another 24 hours as more people see your sugg and ping you about it))
primal cairn
Ok I’ve written the suggestion however I just want to double check to make sure everything is formatted correctly before I post it
Change the Bone Key’s method of obtainment
Currently, the Bone Key is a pet dropped by the dungeon guardian. This seems a bit counter intuitive, as the dungeon guardian is meant to be a punishment for the player and is very clearly not intended to be fought, even when taking terraria’s sandbox nature into account. As a result, the Bone Key should be dropped by something else, as it doesn’t make sense for a punishment to reward the player, no matter how small that reward may be.
Does everything here look correct?
hollow shell
That formatting is correct yeah, and the reason is substantial enough for what you're proposing
Looks all good
hollow shell
(It was inevitable I think)
hollow shell
Nice
small timber
@ashen warren try to reformat your suggestion, otherwise the bot cannot process your suggestion, the format is this:
Title
(Shift + Enter)
Body/reasoning
Additionally even if the reason is very self explanatory, you are required to still put a proper reasoning (for rules reason)
robust lava
(It’s Shift + Enter)
small timber
no, you can get hit by the tail and head
inner anvil
When DoG is un-coiling after he becomes phase 2, the fact that he can damage you while un-coiling will be fixed next update.
If this is what you guys are looking for.
small timber
and I think on Rev DoG can also hit you during transitioning to teleport after a laser wall
(basically during the time after DoG used laser wall and slowly phase in into the teleport it can hit you)
inner anvil
We'll look into that eventually.
night jolt
You aren’t meant to fight the dungeon guardian
That's why you deserve a reward for breaking the rules successfully
Also, why should Calamity change the obtaining method of some random pet? There's a pet you get from beating DoG in Hardcore Death Mode, so why should they make this other pet easier to obtain
unique vector
mid argument
i agree with making a pet more accessible if theres no real reason for it to be locked behind DG
the chibii devourer from DoG is a dedicated item
drowsy plank
the reason it's locked behind DG is because it has literally no other reason to exist
we already have a skeletron pet when 1.4 rolls around, the only reason skele key exists is for the bragging rights of killing DG
moving it is just dumb, because what incentive would there be to even do anything with DG anymore, might as well just make it immune to all damage, but that's boring
crude geode
you don't need a random pet to brag about killing DG
fossil bronze
imo there's not much incentive to kill dungeon guardian anyway
the only real way to fight him is to cheese him, so he's not a very interesting boss
drowsy plank
yeah my point is tho, is that we dont need the random pet at all, so dont even bother touching it, cause if it was a calamity thing, we'd just remove it entirely, but since it's vanilla, dont waste the time
if dg was calamity we probably would just remove the fact it has HP at all
but this is a vanilla thing, with 0 incentive to be changed, so just leave it
fossil bronze
i think that's fine, yeah
it's not very hard to beat dungeon guardian anyway, so i agree that it's fine to leave it the way it is
dusty stirrup
I think the only valid argument for making bone key obtainable somewhere else is that you can't fight DG anymore in your world after skeletron is dead (but even then if you want the pet that bad you should just make another world or cheat it in)
Pets locked behind something that can become permanently locked in that world is : ::
hot zephyr
I think the only valid argument for making bone key obtainable somewhere else is...
daytime prime drop 🙂
dusty stirrup
night jolt
daytime prime drop 🙂
Ares DeathCore drop
crude geode
@hexed drift get killtimes
hexed drift
sorry?
hexed drift
<@399755388536225792> get killtimes
i dunno what that means
crude geode
The time it takes to kill a boss. You’ll also need to have your setup listed
primal cairn
moving it is just dumb, because what incentive would there be to even do anythin...
There would be no incentive to kill DG, and that’s a good thing, because you aren’t supposed to.
tulip falcon
So im a passive aggressive player, what class should I go?
fossil bronze
There would be no incentive to kill DG, and that’s a good thing, because you are...
does it really matter? i've almost never seen people kill dungeon guardian in normal runs, i don't think having an obscure pet tied to him is a big deal
grim tusk
So im a passive aggressive player, what class should I go?
Probably summoner, this aint the channel for these questions and you should go to #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins
primal cairn
does it really matter? i've almost never seen people kill dungeon guardian in no...
It is ultimately just a pet and doesn’t matter much, but that doesn’t excuse anything
drowsy plank
There would be no incentive to kill DG, and that’s a good thing, because you are...
so it loops back to what i said, we would remove it, but it's vanilla, so we shouldnt fuck with it, so just leave it alone
primal cairn
???? What sense does that make
Why should something being vanilla make it immune to change
When that’s very clearly not the case
leaden obsidian
so it loops back to what i said, we would remove it, but it's vanilla, so we sho...
So why should they remove it isn’t its purpose to prevent exploration of the dungeon?
crude geode
We’re talking about removing bone key not the guardian
leaden obsidian
Oh my bad I must of misinterpreted it
drowsy plank
Why should something being vanilla make it immune to change
because the smart change would be to just remove it, because it's just a strictly worse version of the master mode (now rev+) pet of skeletron, it's repetitive and pointless, but the devs have made a point to not remove vanilla content, so the easiest thing to do is just leave it alone
primal cairn
I never said to remove it????
Why are you saying to remove it?
I just said make it drop from something else or give it another way of being obtained
drowsy plank
the only reason it exists is to be a reward for killing DG, and we already have a skeletron pet, if you were going to move it off of DG, it'd be better to just remove it entirely
primal cairn
No???
The pets are both skeletron but they’re very different
And ngl I prefer the bone key to the master mode drop
It would not be better to remove it entirely I don’t see why you are bringing this up as some sort of counter argument when it’s completely unrelated to my suggestion
hollow shell
I know what he's trying to get at
hollow shell
the reason it's locked behind DG is because it has literally no other reason to ...
This ^
Bone Key was added specifically to be the reward for killing DG
shrewd furnace
moving the bone key to something else just seems like it's removing the point of item, it's a part of terraria history and it's just a cosmetic so you don't lose out on anything by not getting it
shrewd furnace
Male variant of all of the elementals.
you should put in #suggestions-posting not here
fossil finch
it won't pass anyways
unique vector
Bone Key was added specifically *to be* the reward for killing DG
oh wait was bone key a vanilla item
oops!
yea i get it now then
unique vector
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT VANILLA
ruby plover
while i agree with the hellwing staff sugg,,,,, formatting
hollow shell
I do also agree with the Hellwing sugg but not just cuz of its damage, it's also way more usable than a lot of other nearby weps
Being able to target the cursor's location and go through blocks
ruby plover
while i agree for the most part, you can't actually aim it above your head lol
dusty stirrup
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT VANILLA
s mh
unique vector
dont laugh at the ignorant
dusty stirrup
I'm not laughing I'm weeping
unique vector
😭
sand umbra
late, but in response to latest sugg: Hellwing would do better with more substantial changes than just "nerf X stat by Y"
grim tusk
@charred creek murasama is not postgame lol
Also (soon to be) triple exclamation, where did all the good suggs go
hollow shell
byeah it is not post-game
It's late-game, perhaps end-game, but not post-game
You get it before SCal and Draedon
also why "rebuff"? I don't think its tier or relative stats have changed in a long time
frosty trellis
Think they mean as it, make it closer to the damage it originally did
Which makes no sense in my eyes, as the murasama for it's tier feels balanced
small timber
I think they confused it with power level rescaling, because it used to obliterate all non-scal boss but I dont remember it being that good to scal
frosty trellis
I tend to use dragons rage more, but that's personal preferance, Murasama is still amazing
small timber
all post-Yharon weapon used to obliterate all pre-Yharon bosses anyway
frosty trellis
Murasama is good against the brimstone hearts for SCal
small timber
old or new murasama?
frosty trellis
But she is out of reach for the murasamas normal slash attack
Except while she is charging or if you dash and swing at the same time
Which is risky
Murasama is great for Ares and Thanatos though, just not really designed for Artemis and Apollo
Personally, I think it's good for the tier it's in. I don't see a reason to change it, when it does it's job, and does it well
Being an insane true melee weapon
crude geode
OOA moment
gray nebula
no
besty doesnt get lore
i need a slur agaisnt ppl that are obsessed with lore... loreoids
crude geode
just look up DD2 betsy lore, if that's a thing
"Betsy was named by the Squire as a token to the term "Holy Betsys"
Also called the Wyvern Mother and Queen of the Wyverns"
that's your lore lmao
crude geode
besty doesnt get lore
I can't wait for loreoids to be pissed that we don't give lore to random ass deer boss
dusty stirrup
I don't think anyone actually wants lore about betsy it would be like asking for lore about Deerclops.... Oh wait
small timber
I will be honest it will be rather hard (or pointless) to give betsy lore, especially if the lore will pretty much be just "it is a dragon that came from the multiverse"
(same for deerclops, just have the lore like "mutated deer")
night jolt
OK wow, guess that really struck a nerve
crude geode
both of the crossover bosses have little to no "lore" regarding them in their original games. you could have yharim say "wow this really is mutated deer from another universe", but it seems a bit pointless
grim tusk
Deerclops has like no lore
crude geode
indeed
grim tusk
Only boss that has lore is fuelweaver lmao (maybe also Celestial Champion)
(And its actually just a theory, a game theory)
crude geode
"Betsy was named by the Squire as a token to the term "Holy Betsys"
Also called ...
this is pretty much all the wiki has for "lore" in terms of betsy
true inlet
last 3 "suggestions"
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hollow shell
The examples in the enrage sugg would be better in present-tense or future-tense imo
rather than past-tense
small timber
(engrish hard) ya I will change to that
hollow shell
👍
small timber
(though I am not sure if "fully enraged" is correct or not, since "fully enrages" feels weird to me)
hollow shell
"Astrum Aureus does not enrage outside of the Astral Infection biome, but fully enrages during daytime"
is correct
"fully enrages" is valid
small timber
ok, fixed
hollow shell
👌
hollow shell
In posting or voting?
mighty knot
voting
drowsy plank
yeah we already beat that one to death on why it's bad
just dont vote for it
also so glad placable lore items got in when they're being removed next update
really feel like reading the changelogs should be a prerequsite to posting suggestions, or at the very least talking in here
no idea why that one passed without being deleted
hollow shell
que?
What's this about lore items being removed?
@drowsy plank seemed pretty damn convinced 🤨
drowsy plank
damn alright
people in 1.4 chat kept saying they were getting removed for bestiary entries
ig it makes sense then
still seems weird they aren't getting nuked when the bestiary exists tho lol
hollow shell
Something to do with the varying points of view that they're spoken through
Bestiary as an unknown anonymous third party observer
Lore items as Yharim
drowsy plank
yeah i think i remember this now, just misremembered that they were getting removed instead of not so
hollow shell
(we do have some other plans for lore items in the works too, though nothing concrete yet)
drowsy plank
cool
stable musk
LMAO WHAT
HIVE MIND ENRAGES?
true inlet
LMAO WHAT
HIVE MIND ENRAGES?
so does perf. hive
fringe notch
no references for references sake
gilded notch
😦
fringe notch
its a rule sorry, for rules, check pins
gilded notch
was it a good idea atleast?
fringe notch
no, not even slightly, sorry
gilded notch
😦
eternal escarp
@fringe notch SG is getting changes next update, so i'd say you should prolly wait with the sugg
ruby plover
i somehow didn't see that changelog lol, that's rad
small timber
@pure root it will become default after the 1.4 port (because vanilla 1.4 added it)
pure root
<@825013437738385478> it will become default after the 1.4 port (because vanilla...
Ah yes. Didn't think about that
ruby plover
(in that case, you can prolly delete the suggestion)
fringe notch
<@404769228319883264> SG is getting changes next update, so i'd say you should p...
ah, im glad to see slime god is finally getting some changes, ive been suggesting since 8th of may
drowsy plank
@charred creek do you mean the movement speed buff
also you didnt format that right
plus we literally already have this in voting and it's not even close to passing; #suggestions-voting message
inner anvil
Man, the only objective of the movement speed buff it's so you don't feel like a slug at the beginning of the game.
night jolt
Imagine wanting the game to feel slower at any point
inner anvil
Plus, even if everyone wants the movement spped buff gone, it was added by Vanilla 1.4 already, so they can cope harder.
swift wharf
play slower iirc
eternal escarp
ive still never seen a good reason as to why the movement speed increase is bad
inner anvil
Because it feels like cheating, it's some of the excuses I heard.
eternal escarp
the only thing ive heared is "makes early game easier"
which uhhhh, ?
fossil bronze
calamity players when the developers change something
eternal escarp
cheating sounds like a huge stretch tbh
sand ermine
love and hate relationship with re-logic and their balancing
eternal escarp
ono i can move, in an enjoyable speed!
what now, people will get mad that you get a bonus 4% jump speed?
inner anvil
Like bro, we added that speed buff because it you wanted to fight early game bosses without Hermes Boots you need to be a mastermind at hooks, which not everyone is.
eternal escarp
"i can climb 7 blocks WITH EASE????"
swift wharf
I HATE mining speed changes
*installs veinminer*
eternal escarp
so fucking true eclipse
that is why youre based
swift wharf
No problem That Blasterd Basterd#7652
night jolt
The only even remotely reasonable reason for wanting to slow your movement speed is building convenience
inner anvil
"The building speed changes are dellusional!"
- Says the man that uses LuiAFK for their arenas.
swift wharf
The only even remotely reasonable reason for wanting to slow your movement speed...
It makes building easier
eternal escarp
The only even remotely reasonable reason for wanting to slow your movement speed...
i mean i guess
if only for the fact you can just
tap slightly
swift wharf
inner anvil
The only even remotely reasonable reason for wanting to slow your movement speed...
Remind you that the building changes also include that you can place blocks further, so I guess it compensates.
eternal escarp
true true
fossil bronze
i just want to be able to hold right and place platforms
night jolt
Yeah, I think they should sync the placing speed to your default run speed
As is, you run slightly too fast, making you accidentally make stairs or just falling off
swift wharf
Pretty sure it's quite synced rn
inner anvil
Plus after you get Hermes Boots the balance goes away, so it's not too much to worry about I guess.
charred creek
damn ive made the worst god damn suggestions in this server
inner anvil
There's been worse, don't worry.
small timber
I had seen people say that the build speed buff should be removed because they accidently place 2 torch in 1 motion
(althoguh tbh 7 block default jump is a bit high, I thought the current jump height is just fine)
small timber
oh I actually thought it is 5/6 blocks
eternal escarp
you can guess what the change means
(it simply is so you can jump 7 blocks without having to hold UP to do so)
night jolt
oh I actually thought it is 5/6 blocks
Because as we all know, 4% more than 5 is 7
eternal escarp
small timber
nah I thought they just give the player extra jump height instead of more jump speed (since on frog leg it seems to be separated)
upbeat nebula
6.9 blocks
nice
half sage
also wrong format
umbral dew
people are complaining about the speed buff but lose their shit about the dr nerf???
small timber
counter scarf is pretty much an alternative version, in fact except against specific malice boss most of the time counter scarf is better to a broken level
for the simple reason that bonk (bouncing from enemy) is bad after they nerfed SoC's iframe, so Counter Scarf ramming into enemy is better now
Counter Scarf currently is so much better that in the changelog they are gonna nerf it to 30 second CD so I am unsure if it contradicts the suggestion
kindred creek
So what your suggesting is to make my suggestion as a buff to the evasion scarf and ignore the counter scarf?
small timber
no, what I mean is I don't think evasion and counter scarf is really that weak?
and partially because of this
kindred creek
I do think they’re that weak
small timber
(I am unsure if that count as contradicting with future changes)
kindred creek
Personally, from my experience, they seem to be worse
drowsy plank
small timber
if it is before they nerfed shield of cthulhu iframe then ya I will said SoC is better, for now counter scarf is almost always better
kindred creek
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/9819735223583...
Mine is different. I’m suggesting a general buff.
small timber
the only time SoC is better than counter scarf is malice, but then again it is malice
drowsy plank
im pretty sure the idea is shield is supposed to help with contact damage and scarf is supposed to help with projectiles
small timber
ye, and the counter scarf projectile dodge is actually super overpowered
and you can still use counter scarf to dodge contact damage
drowsy plank
so i wouldnt call it just a true melee item, so the reason you want the buff seems a bit misplaced
true
if you want a scarf buff, you're gonna need an actual reason
small timber
@feral arch they said they will nerf DR but also nerf boss damage (yes this information is directly from the lead dev)
swift wharf
Reddit has entered #suggestions-posting
dear god
small timber
and no, "defense" is not nerfed, only DR is nerf, pure defense is still pretty much super good
drowsy plank
read the changelogs impossible challenge!!!!
inner anvil
How much time do you give them until they realize we don't follow no-hitters?
stiff swallow
cuh?
drowsy plank
decades
swift wharf
(never
inner anvil
We don't follow the no-hit fanboys neither the tank fanboys.
drowsy plank
no nerf, only buff!!!!
small timber
if the game is actually balanced around nohit then the first step will be add prehardmode and hardmode version of dimensional soul artifact, then add like 5 more brimflame/omega blue armor and add more drunk princess alcohol with like -50% defense downside
swift wharf
The year is 2024
QoL mods have removed the need for town NPCs, Arena Building, Regular Enemies, and Grinding. 16 distinct difficulty options exist to be combined as desired.
All worlds are generated with chests that give everything to you, and have innumerable world-sized platforms
The game has been optimized away. Now we may relish in the infinite bliss that is uninterrupted boss rush playthroughs
Relevant
drowsy plank
night jolt
The subreddit is so pissed off at these balance changes its hilarious
drowsy plank
you wonder if they even like calamity
night jolt
They think Melee is getting nerfed out of existence when it's just being brought down to the same level as the other classes
small timber
I mean they probably have professional modder to develop custom mod to revert the changes anyway, like "Revert v2.0 Calamity DR Nerf", give player 50% DR by default to counter Calamity's DR nerf, also remove DR softcap because it is unbalanced and unfriendly for tanks
eternal escarp
oh no i cant have 30% DR by having around 3 defense accessories oh no!!!!!!!!!!
if you want to be defensive, opt to defensive accessories, plenty of them exist and are just as good
night jolt
Speaking from personal experience, my first Melee revengeance playthrough has been piss easy, I blazed through handmade up to Plantera without ever upgrading from Statigel armor, and I didn't even need to build arenas for Aureus or Leviathan, it's just too fucking powerful
unique vector
from my knowledge the DR nerfs do not make melee pointless to oblivion
night jolt
Imagine thinking the class that has the Fallen Paladins Hammer doesn't deserve at least a little bit of a nerf
unique vector
they just make it harder to stack to the DR cap because before it was piss easy to do so
gray nebula
i hate the reddit
eternal escarp
i also hate the reddit
small timber
from my experience DR is so good that I can tank DoG with a post-Moon Lord setup
unique vector
reddit when they cant do math for 5 seconds
inner anvil
Delete Reddit.
swift wharf
^
night jolt
Reddit? More like Cringe
gray nebula
mfs fucking gaslit the community into thinking that tanking is unviable or soemthig
swift wharf
@ yuh
eternal escarp
tbh the sugg is basically living on false claims could we exclaim it and call it a day 🥺
unique vector
but yea anyway
eternal escarp
yeah what pixl said
swift wharf
sheep mentality fellas, sheep mentality
small timber
also btw does the counter scarf suggestion count as contradict with changes? since it is already nerfed to 30CD (but the suggestion want buff)
eternal escarp
tbh the sugg is basically living on false claims could we exclaim it and call it...
oh wow you actually did, cool
unique vector
@feral arch read the above comments abt DR nerfs, im exclaiming your sugg bc it has very little reasoning or backing behind the sugg
and is technically a future sugg anyway
small timber
I am unsure how this works since it is still in changelog
night jolt
Also as for the Counter Scarf suggestion, there's already a suggestion for giving an upgrade to the Evasion scarf, so maybe wait for that to pass or fail?
gray nebula
i mean coutner scarf is different because like
it litterally makes u dodge thru shit
unique vector
mfers suggesting things abt a change they havent even experienced yet
gray nebula
a bit more reliable than a bonk
small timber
to my knowledge it is absurdly overpowered (though the suggestion claim it is weaker than SoC)
swift wharf
isn't there smth about not suggesting stuff that's already being changed
gray nebula
"as opposed to the counter scarf, soc parries the attack which tends to be better"
me bonking into a projectile and still getting hit
night jolt
It's weird how a post one mech boss item has the objective best dodge in the game
small timber
the only time SoC is better than counter scarf is Malice (but Malice), for like, calclone final phase infinite dash, or against twins
swift wharf
just equip ark fr
small timber
thats literally about it, and SoC had become even more unreliable after the iframe nerf
unique vector
It's weird how a post one mech boss item has the objective best dodge in the gam...
bc there arent many other dodges after it lols
umbral dew
i dont think the dude that made the suggestion cares about elaborating on the suggestion dude is just whining
gray nebula
reddit momen
small timber
the only close one I think is titanium/hallowed armor, but that one is also super unrealible
unique vector
reddit is very amusing to look at for people’s initial overreactions
and also seeing merk get ratio’d
😎
small timber
(tbh just make the set give the same dodge like ninja gear use)
night jolt
I think the only "buff" evasion scarf needs is to roll it into the Statis dodge set
umbral dew
redditors are going to do some shit like saying the melee players are ukraine and the devs russia
night jolt
Like, people agree the Belt and Scarf are underpowered in comparison to the Aegis and I'd sort of agree
small timber
I dont think counter scarf effect can be retain into a late game accessory unless a substaintial cooldown is put on it
imagine having 13 sec dodge against scal projectile (though it is 30 now)
night jolt
I think making it have the effect of the EScarf dodge (shorter cooldown if you get hit during a dash) would be fine
Like, keep it at the higher number if you get hit during not the dash
frail mantle
i hate the reddit
can we delete the subreddit
the only thing that happens there is complaining, shitty memes and very occasionally good art
swift wharf
Just delete the posts lol
eternal escarp
but then we infringe on their freedom!!!!!
swift wharf
Good.
eternal escarp
swift wharf
They'll leave eventually
drowsy plank
based
hardy dock
the only thing that happens there is complaining, shitty memes and *very occasio...
Why is Yharim always a femboy
So like why is DR being nerfed anyway cus it never really seemed that broken to me
unique vector
apparently it was too easy to stack DR above and beyond calamity’s 33% cap
small timber
So like why is DR being nerfed anyway cus it never really seemed that broken to ...
tldr
DR stack too easily right now, you reach soft cap super fast
DR will be nerfed but I think boss damage will be nerfed too
unique vector
so they made it require more dedication to build a tank build instead of slapping on two accs and calling it a day
hardy dock
tldr
DR stack too easily right now, you reach soft cap super fast
DR will be ne...
K good that was pretty much my biggest concern
hot zephyr
calamity players when they can't negate all damage with a single accessory
small timber
although even if it is a pure nerf DR will definitely be still viable, since it only really go from "overcapping DR" to "reaching softcapped DR"
hardy dock
Flashbacks to Scal one-shotting you at the start of 1.5 💀
hot zephyr
the two collective brain cells of the calamity subreddit clacking together to become armchair game devs
small timber
(tbh it is simply overpowered for a long time)
swift wharf
the two collective brain cells of the calamity subreddit clacking together to be...
btw we're on reddit now
so big win 
hot zephyr
good
hardy dock
Why was Core of the Blood God nerfed as well
inner anvil
Same reason.
small timber
although in the case of core of the blood god if they dont buff the HP stats I think no one will use it
hardy dock
It’s honestly kinda mid rn ngl
small timber
since the halved contact damage is only really useful against yharon
hot zephyr
defense was overbuffed in 1.5 in reaction to the introduction of RDR
small timber
(unless they tier shift core of the blood god completely of course)
night jolt
Imagine if CotBG had the Blood Pact HP doubling
hardy dock
Nobody would use it lmao
drowsy plank
blood pact is still viable because CotBG doesnt have it itself lmao
inner anvil
It’s honestly kinda mid rn ngl
Well, at that point, deal with it I guess.
hardy dock
🤷♀️
I didn’t use it anyway I’m just confusing why you’re kicking it while it’s down like that
drowsy plank
well i dont think there are any upgrades to blood pact rn so
no
at least
with blood pact's effect
hot zephyr
it was never down to begin with
none of the DR nerfs will make a significant difference
inner anvil
I didn’t use it anyway I’m just confusing why you’re kicking it while it’s down ...
We'll say it again, everything gives too much DR, in exchange we lower boss damage.
Plus it was never low, but that's just you.
hot zephyr
the only one of any consideration is sponge, which currently is an S tier accessory that's used basically at all times
cotbg will still be amazing for yharon and meh at subsequent fights
the sun will still rise and the earth will still spin
small timber
on the topic of balance how piss will people be if all emblems are nerfed to 10% so that eg: avenger emblems become actual upgrade
true inlet
avenger is all class
hot zephyr
it would be inconsequential and unnecessary
hardy dock
~~on the topic of balance how piss will people be if all emblems are nerfed to 1...
A 10% damage boost is like an afterthought on many accessories
small timber
ya, just a random thought, probably not that needed since can only really use 1 emblem at pre mech anyway
fossil finch
the two collective brain cells of the calamity subreddit clacking together to be...
I love my armchairm game developing
hot zephyr
a week from now it will be something else and the cycle will repeat
gray nebula
A 10% damage boost is like an afterthought on many accessories
yea a lot of the dr nerfs also feeel like just cutting down on random dr given by accs that shoudlnt
fossil finch
it'll be about readding sunbat probably
hot zephyr
LMFAO
gray nebula
old calamity mod developement carefully diluting the identityt of an accessory by drowning it in 15 different minor stat buffs
hot zephyr
I'm genuinely depressed because you probably aren't wrong
gray nebula
(walter white gif)
small timber
the only one that feels weird to be is that bloody worm scarf still give 10%, unless it is intentional to give melee the tank class identity
since the accessory is still like, excessively powerful (it even has +7 more defense now)
hardy dock
it'll be about readding sunbat probably
That bat in the underground that drops essence of cinder?
hot zephyr
when the quality bar is rising
half sage
cal subreddit when the scrunglo axe is removed (it has not been used by an actual player since 2017): 
hot zephyr
Where my Fulguration Halberd fans at
eternal escarp
remember Holiday Halberd?
neither do the people who complained it was removed the instant they learned what it was
fervent valve
neither do the people who complained it was removed the instant they learned wha...
As a summoner main i'll have you know i got a lot of value out of checking the wikipedia section for the Holiday Halberd and thinking "thats a stupid weapon" like 3 times
eternal escarp
hardy dock
remember Holiday Halberd?
I only knew that existed because of that old calamity tier list video
half sage
I had many happy memories with the holiday halberd, like:
- having to look it up when it was removed because I had never heard of it before
hardy dock
- putting it in autotrash during endothermic energy grinding without reading the tooltip and just assuming it was vanilla
gray nebula
we should kill seabow
crude geode
Considering I have no clue what that is big agree
umbral dew
the absorber and sponge are fine atm along with the shield defense buffs
eternal escarp
we should kill seabow
true Barinade is already cooler comparatively
hardy dock
There are like three different bows that I think of when I think of seabow
eternal escarp
victide bow
gray nebula
hardy dock
And I have no idea which one it is
crude geode
(There are too many oceanic and fire related weapons)
gray nebula
it sure would be funny chat if
eternal escarp
shoots a short range water spit
gray nebula
it fires the limpest possible water bolt ever
hardy dock
Replace it with seagun
small timber
you dont have to delete seabow, just like, remove autoswing from it
hardy dock
Does the exact same thing but shoots bullets
gray nebula
replace it by sea blowgun
hardy dock
😎
gray nebula
shoots a high pressure water straem
eternal escarp
sea harpoon
drowsy plank
these are all way cooler than what we have
fervent valve
Oh my god i just discovered the sponge is an actual strong item, and not just the regular terraria "Super absorbant sponge" i thought everyone was just memeing
crude geode
replace it by sea blowgun
Make it a fish you have to fish up to trigger people
gray nebula
like u blow a little bubble on your blowgun
and then it pops and flies off super fast
thatd be cool
eternal escarp
close enough
crude geode
Ranged fans when they only have four weapon types 
hardy dock
Darts are fucking broken
eternal escarp
:lol:
umbral dew
the sponge gives 15% damage reduction🗿
fervent valve
Idk i always used the celestial jewel, i prefer health regen over damage reduction, but i never ever played melee build so i know nothing
crude geode
no not a dart weapon i dont like darts
Based
Ranged has enough subclasses please don’t add a fucking dart shroomite helmet
fervent valve
please add a fucking dart shroomite helmet
small timber
they need to add a "ammoless hroomite helmet" for ranged gun that dont use ammo like sea searing
small timber
(for like exactly 1 ranged weapon that dont use ammo)
crude geode
Yes
eternal escarp
Is it flamethrower
yes
drowsy plank
honestly a catch-all generic helmet for shroomite couldnt hurt
cobalt heath
oh no incel reddits have come here
idk how reddit incels still think that devs are elitism and classims thinkers and balance around no hitting when you can't even get defiled soul role anymore and the items don't exist in main mod
crude geode
Idk why you’re bringing this up when the convo is long dead and moved on
hot zephyr
yeah
crude geode
You really didn’t but ok
#suggestions-posting message
This is the third repost of this sugg
In like a month
tardy smelt
we should kill seabow
noooooooo 
its actually a really good earlygame bow
if it gets replaced with something more interesting to use i'm all in for it though 
eternal escarp
last i checked Barinade is just as good
and when Seabow only has Barinade to compete with bow wise then yeah obv itd be a really good bow
tardy smelt
in that case both last up to hive mind/perfs on paper
eternal escarp
Seabow only lasts because of Jester Arrows tbh iirc
Barinade doesnt last as long because it isnt Jester Arrows
dusty stirrup
~~if it gets replaced with something more interesting to use i'm all in for it t...
hahahhahahaha
tardy smelt
...🤨
tardy smelt
Seabow only lasts because of Jester Arrows tbh iirc
its also kinda good with hellfire
autofire goes a long way when almost no other bows on its tier have it (idk if barinade does though)
eternal escarp
it does
tardy smelt
that should explain (part of) why Barinade works well on that tier too then :p
byeah, uh
i do sorta hope the sunken sea rework will also come with a handful of new interesting weapons
drowsy plank
bad suggestion justification tbh but man extinction alloy really is a way better name than shadowspec bars
novel belfry
If only it didn't share a name with the final boss of my main content mod idea
||/s||
rocky jasper
bad suggestion justification tbh but man extinction alloy really is a way better...
i mean, i can't just say "i don't like how 'shadowspec' sounds" i had to come up with something