suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

the wooden crate dropping wooden chest loot is probably a vanilla failsafe since things like aglet (and climbing claw) are required for some of the best vanilla gear, it is a failsafe just in case it simply didnt spawn, since wooden chest is surprisingly limited

meanwhile golden chest tend to be abundant (especially calamity making all but 1 drop craftable)

not really, I did say getting golden crate is at least 3x more difficult than getting a gold chest, because it is super hard to get good rod + sufficient amount of bait early on

enchanted crawler is good but bait consumption (+ fishing line breaking) significantly decrease chance of getting golden crate

[drowsy plank]

i think that only reinforces my other point that it's just for renewability and what you just said, they were in wooden chests as a failsafe because there's good gear locked behind them. gold and the regen bands are the same way. iron lets you get the boots and bottle equivalents too, and gold already has heart crystals because of a similar problem of a lack of renewability. i think my very first draft talked about the fact that regen band has several good upgrades, and if you were in multiplayer, it's the only non-renewable.

i cut it cause my point stood regardless of it, but if that's necessary i could include it again

[small timber]

ya it is for renewability, just the context is different (which is why I am unsure about it)

vanilla make wooden crate = wooden chest renewable because they are needed for end game gear; but calamity ended up making most of these accessories craftable to reduce rng so wodden crate in calamity do not really need to drop wooden chest gears (just it still, continuing from vanilla)

meanwhile golden crate do not already drop gold chest loot, and it is up to calamity to add them; however, all but band of regen (shoe spike is bandit purchase) is already craftable, there is not much reason for calamity (I mean specifically calamity) to add gold chest loot to golden crate

[sand ermine]

@timber nova

boss

[drowsy plank]

i mean flare isnt either, it just isnt as important as regen

there's a handful of other knicknacks that 1.4 adds that aren't included as well, but i mostly wanted to focus on the important ones

[small timber]

the thing is I have a feeling besides like the basic accessory to start up the game (eg: hermes boots, your first jump bottle), calamity dont really want to encourage passive playstyle and still try to incentivize player to explore. Basically calamity dont want "just fishing" to be the ultimate solution, but rather "if you want to fish at least also explore"

take example like sulphur sea having some of the best pre-HM fishing drop available in the game, which is different from fishing in a pond in your base
another example is abyss shadow chest weapon are locked behind slime god/wof now despite them being post-Skeletron, it is also a risk-reward approach to basically force the player to explore abyss rather than just stay on the surface while still obtaining the same advantage

the same might be able to be said about gold chest loot, the player should still explore them, just the dev don't like the fact that some basic movement accessories are super hard to obtain at the start so they make them craftable

[drowsy plank]

i mean

doesnt that mean im still right?

not to mention i included a cavate about the whole sedentary gameplay style thing

specifically to avoid that issue, and just to make it renewable, i said you could lock it behind a boss if you really wanted to, and you yourself pointed out how near impossible it is to get gold crates early game

id say fishing requires more effort than a crafting recipe anyway

at least

most of the calamity recipes

[small timber]

then the problem will be golden crate is so incredibly hard to get that no one will ever want gold chest drop to be drop from it, because gold chest drop (for most player) is nearly worthless, as chances are if you explore (like at all) you will very easily get some of them, gold chest are abundant, and things like spelunker potions make them even easier to find (this again, do fit the "explore more" incentive)

I stated 1 context wrong: wooden crate = wooden chest is a vanilla feature for renewability, calamity added the crafting recipe not just for renewability, but most importantly to reduce the associated rng with getting the item, particularly because wooden chest is somewhat rare/scarce

meanwhile flare gun and band of regeneration is in the gold chest which is the most common chest in the game, calamity added the vanilla recipe not because of renewability but because it is super frustrating for early game (or start of the game) to not have a hermes boots/bottle early on and stucked with walking at ground speed; these recipes are specifically for quick startup of the game. In this case making golden crate drop gold chest loot makes no sense because it is multiple times harder to get a golden crate than golden chest, which will make its reward super underwhelming

if your intention is to make golden crate more valuable I will definitely say making them drop gold chest loot is not the way

[drowsy plank]

it isnt

it's literally just to make more items renewable, like i said, with enough players things like bands of regen become a bottleneck in multiplayer

i didnt want to make it explicitly about mp because calamity doesnt care too much for it, but i saw it causes issues in singleplayer as well when you get down to the bits and pieces of it

[small timber]

then just make flare gun and band of regeneration craftable, rather than say golden crate drop (and tbh for it to be bottleneck you need to have like at least 30 players)

that is the problem with the idea of golden crate dropping gold chest loot: it is a super underwhelming reward

[drowsy plank]

i know but that's so lame, and there are a handful of other drops in natural chests that dont drop from crates for literally no reasons, especially 1.4

[small timber]

wait what are the other example of natural chest item not dropping from crates? because the only one I know are gold chest items

[timber nova]

boss

[drowsy plank]

and i mean when you're getting tons of gold crates, are you saying that enchanted sword or turtle mount are rewards players are happy to see? especially when turtle takes the heart crystal drop slot

oh lemme grab them

[timber nova]

boss boss boss boss boss boss boss boss

[drowsy plank]

they're kinda worthless but they're so worthless i dont get why they weren't included

[timber nova]

boss

[small timber]

ya for that one... I will be honest they just have to give better reward for golden crate, just in my opinion not golden chest drop

the maximum I can see golden chest drop from fishing (though it will be weird) will be iron crate

basically just have iron crate drop band of regen and flare gun

[drowsy plank]

i guess that's also a problem, so i guess you aren't wrong, and yeah you could just put them in iron lmao

[eternal escarp]

well seems like a ding-dong-ditch so
@dapper coral if you could please exclaim / delete the latest sugg about zenith, reasonin replied

[drowsy plank]

iron doesnt actually have an equivalent, so it's prone for getting something

[small timber]

ye actually making it iron chest sounds a lot better

[drowsy plank]

i actually removed all instances of me mentioning "gold crate" in the post already, so i can probably just add something about iron being the gold chest equivalent instead

[small timber]

ya I will be honest that suggestion many people probably dont understand the chest part, they just see the "add calamity ores to fishing crate" part which is grind reduction

[drowsy plank]

lmao

tbf it's ores that are already in the crates, just as bars only

ive done a lot of rephrasing on the thing now that you've helped me identify the real issue here

[small timber]

ye, the suggestion did get a lot of vote (just that batch also average 200+) so it will definitely have a chance

[dapper coral]

exclam'd

[drowsy plank]

also the remaining drops that are chest only were beach ball, sandcastle bucket, encumbering stone, and the biome specific minecarts

[eternal escarp]

danke

[drowsy plank]

the weirdest part is the hellstone crate drops the pets that are in the secondary loot table, too, so it's not even an avoidance of secondary loot tables in crates. also beach ball is in the primary loot table too??? it's so fucking weird lmao

[small timber]

so basically most of them that are added only after 1.4, and the reason they dont drop from crate is probably because relogic forgot to add them to crates

[drowsy plank]

pretty much

[small timber]

although tbh all of them are like cosmetic, so it do make sense for it to be exploration limited

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's why i didnt mention them

but i mean, if they get fixed in labor of love, well hey, that's a weight off my chest lol

[small timber]

(I will be honest probably still include the "make crate also drop ore" part from your original suggestion title in the title, it probably do attract people to vote for it)

[drowsy plank]

true

this is what we in the business like to call

metagaming 😎

lol

[hollow shell]

(Don't spam messages in multiple channels, thanks)

[timber nova]

ok boss

[dusty path]

Sure, when I learn advanced modding and how to recreate Zenith

[ocean palm]

So, one change I have been thinking about, one that isn't really all that big, is making Boss Trophies a guarenteed drop the first time you defeat a boss, or something like that. Because it can be annoying to defeat a boss, and not get its trophy, and have to keep refighting it.

Because I think that just defeating a boss you should be able to obtain the trophy.

[drowsy plank]

i kinda like where they are cause they're kinda in the same place as (what was once) the legendary items

beating a boss once doesnt really mean you've mastered it

[ocean palm]

Except, in my opinion, mastering a boss and getting the trophy are two different things.

[drowsy plank]

but if you killed it enough times for the trophy or (previously) RIV you'd have the pattern down pretty stat

well we're getting relics in 1.4 for all rev+ modes

so that's your guarnteed trophy

i think actual trophies are fine where they are now

[ocean palm]

I would disagree, but I am not sure if I should go through writing the suggestion out in the posting.

[pure bluff]

@pearl briar the bot added a 🗜️ reaction, i think your title is too long

also i didnt even know it did that tf lol

[pearl briar]

how short does it need to be

[pure bluff]

i dunno

it got removed

[pearl briar]

mmm thanks

[dusty path]

That suggestion made me dumb

Like, how didn't I realize that feature?

[frail mantle]

"even in malice mode you can just immediatly walk into the hardmode jungle with pre-hardmode gear and not even bother having to look at your hp because you know that it is impossible to die. " ok but malice doesn't do anything outside of bosses

[pearl briar]

My point is that even on the hardest difficulty mode that the mod has to offer it does not at all feel hard in these scenarios

[hollow shell]

" With Master mode being added in 1.4, I feel like this massive enemy nerf ruins the spirit of the mode where everything is threatening"

Calamity on Journey's End is not released yet

You can't act outraged by something you haven't even experienced / don't even know is true yet

[dusty path]

We still think that it can ruin it

And he got a ❗

[hollow shell]

I'm saying that you don't know if we'll carry the same nerf into Master Mode

(Ok I'll be more direct
You're not allowed to suggest things regarding future upcoming content, which includes Journey's End)

[dusty path]

Ah, ok

I see

[pearl briar]

Except that i know that even in expert + death mode damage boosts, enemies become irrevent with 40% damage nerfs, and with that i can extrapolate to how it would feel in master mode

[crude geode]

^^^

[pearl briar]

also i wanted to make that suggestion ever since i found it out, it is only now with master mode coming soon i have felt like posting it, as even in non master mode it feels pretty bad

[dusty path]

Welp, I guess you should remove that part, apparently

[hollow shell]

You're gonna have to make your suggestion only be about the current experience

[dusty path]

[pearl briar]

Yeah i guess i should remove all mentions the master mode

[dusty path]

I was correct

But that's sad tho

Like, telling the devs to balance some weapons

they will tho

[hollow shell]

The reason why the future content Don't exist is for reasons like this, where you're just assuming that it's going to ruin Master Mode and making a suggestion to "change" that, even though Calamity + Master isn't even released yet

If it does come out with the issues you thought it would have, then you can suggest this again with your Master Mode elaborations reinserted

[pearl briar]

I have removed the mentions the master mode, it is just that i felt like using it to make clearer why i really dont like the damage nerfs

[unique vector]

its basically to prevent armchair game design habits

[hollow shell]

👍

Sugg looks good now

[pearl briar]

thanks

[dusty path]

Yay

[night jolt]

Calamity fans when you play on anything other than Infernum JMFTW

[umbral sonnet]

Dang ut

my suggestion wasn't put on the dev

[drowsy plank]

why did DoG sharp turns get into sugg voting

didnt people point out it was already fixed in changelogs???

[hollow shell]

The changelog did not explicitly mention that it fixed the sharp turns issue

[drowsy plank]

ah

[hollow shell]

We don't know if it actually got fixed or not

[drowsy plank]

right it was the off screen ones

[grim tusk]

DoG felt fine (AI wise) in current test build

[pearl fable]

can yall fix the god damn cinderion its annoying clipping through blocks

[grim tusk]

Cnidrion is a pseudo-mini boss

you may suggest stuff for it as long as its too not specific

stuff like lowering spawnrate is fine

stuff like new attacks is not

[warped tide]

thats his thing

[pure bluff]

make cnidrion underground desert only bc it spawns on the surface everytime you visit the desert and eviscerates early game players

?

[pearl fable]

sorry for the rudeness im just annoyed by it clipping through walls

[pearl fable]

can yall do that

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting

make sure to follow the doc

[grim tusk]

so back to were it was back then and made UG desert exploration a nightmare

no thanks

[hollow shell]

It is indeed supposed to do that

It wouldn't be much of a threat in the cramped caves of the UG desert otherwise

considering its size

[pure bluff]

it still spawns in the ug desert anyway

[small timber]

Isnt the trophy one just recently get voted into dev (and approved)?

The only difference is just first kill and always guaranteed, but not like you need 200 copy of trophies

[crude geode]

@ocean palm

[ocean palm]

Oh wait what.

Okay, I didn't know that.

Well, that is my bad then.

Deleted that then.

[small timber]

(sounds like a but it will be cool suggestion but I am not sure about that one)

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren You need to include a reason with your suggestion

You have the proposal but not the reason why it should be done

[small timber]

since DoG's background do have a design/mechanic intention behind it, namely on Revengeance it indicate blue/purple phase change

[hollow shell]

(That's in all modes afaik)

[small timber]

ya, Death + is full black (though they probably can still do the blue/purple, just a different background)

[ashen warren]

edited my message

even tho I dont think it much of a satisfying reasoning but could be looked back onto when fining down the details of fight.

[small timber]

ya tbh DoG background do feel a bit bland, especially compare to exo and scal's background, even yharon insert a completely different atmosphere because of the background/shader

[ashen warren]

I do have another Idea but it more of Infernum team to add onto their difficulty

[small timber]

ye, generally the background should not interfere with the fight

[ashen warren]

Was thinking of yharon having a universe heat death build up (second phase) and gotta kill it before explode and burns everything (including npcs) so like a certain timer

[small timber]

that will be very horrible but ya

[ashen warren]

but would give it to infernum team

when they start into it or such

but that will be awhile

[small timber]

and no, I dont think that will be a super good idea, it basically force dps check

and dps check are bad because it incentivize nohit (where you min max dps at the complete expense of defense), this is why the revengeance early phasing mechanic is deleted but its only purpose if just make challenge run unviable

[hollow shell]

"universe heat death" does not actually entail a death via a great and powerful heat, it means that eventually the universe will expend all its energy and reach a point of equilibrium in which no action or change will be able to occur again, more akin to a great slowing or freezing

[short walrus]

In short: heat doesn't kill it, heat itself dies

[dense ferry]

This sounds absolutely terrible

From a lore and gameplay perspective

[pure bluff]

why would yharon try to destroy the universe and also i dont think even if they are godlike they could just do that like that

[hollow shell]

That is indeed out of his power-scope afaik

[fringe notch]

its more like yharon is trying to stop you, because your goal is to kill Yharim - Yharon's friend and master ||as far as i can tell||

[tardy smelt]

He wants to see the world burn ❤️‍🔥

Byeah; power-wise yharon is just a really strong phoenix dragon with reviving capabilities

Motive-wise he's super loyal to yharim.... to a fault, maybe

[small timber]

@ashen warren oh ya btw, delete this part

no need to credit anyone in the suggestion, it is the purpose of this channel

puting stuff like crediting people in the suggestion itself just lead to unnecessary bloating and make it harder to see the main point (because it is lengthy)

[ashen warren]

done

[short walrus]

@keen kettle already planned (said in calart)

Also formatting issue

[eternal escarp]

people dont know Blood Orange and Dragonfruit also exist in 1.4!

but yeah thats known

[hollow shell]

Indeed

Been in our plans to rename them ever since 1.4 came out

We've had a few ideas but haven't settled on one yet

[primal cairn]

Giving flashy background effects in a boss fight just seems like an easy way to distract the player and detract from the fight whilst adding nothing of actual substance to it really

[ashen warren]

Pomona fruit for highest tier

[hollow shell]

Pomona? I barely even know 'er!

[ashen warren]

For name suggestions

[hollow shell]

Nah it'll probably keep the dragon theme

We've got dragon-related plans for it you see

[keen kettle]

yeah, frmo hallowed and crimson tress iirc

[small timber]

@ashen warren that is not how you format a suggestion (check the pinned document):

Title
(Space + Enter)
Body (include description, and must include reasoning, basically refer to other suggestions you see above)

besides calamity will add more npc if they see it as needed, currently I think they should just give the existing NPCs already added more purpose before adding more npcs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/859804429536198676.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

(wait I have this favourite now to aggressively tell people to check the pins)

[ripe owl]

#suggestions-voting isn't Demonshade getting class helmets in the future?

[small timber]

ya just the suggestion didnt technically violate any rules

since demonshade rework is not in the changelog yet (or maybe even implemented yet)

[fringe notch]

@ashen warren not only is it formatted incorrectly, it also provides no reason to support why.

[ripe owl]

Even tho it's from a different server it still applies

• Describe your suggestion; don't just say "add X" or "rework Y". If you want a change, describe the change and why you think it should be added. The more details and justification, the higher the chance of it being considered

[small timber]

ya suggestions like these can be a weird one, since specificity is not advised (since it limite the scope/the way it can be change) while it is also needed to justify/give a clearer vision of what the change wants

for the end game armor suggestion I do feel the reasoning can be a bit lackluster (such as completely not acknowledging demonshade's damage boost active and gemtech's multiclass purpose) but it still do give reasons and dont violate any rules

[stable musk]

Hardmode nerf revert will return vanilla problem with early-hm once again
When your motivation just goes to the rock bottom because you can't even leave town in night, go into any "dangerous" biomes since there is mobs with shit ton of enemies practically invincible for you and killing you in a few hits.

[small timber]

(wait which suggestion are you referring to)

oh ya the stat one

ya with master mode the enemy nerf basically only put them down to expert mode level (which are a threat), considering on master mode (no nerf) vanilla it is complete clown fiesta with turtle dealing more damage than moon lord death ray

[stable musk]

Stealth mechanic is boring
You either just stall and wait for a lot of time (not in post-ml) to actually do some damage.
Or you know when you can stand still to deal shit ton of damage ending boss fight in seconds.
Difference of fight duration between learning patterns and knowing everything is just way too huge

Moving all the time makes fight time almost same as other classes. But with knocking in standing still then boss just m e l t s

And also game just FORCES you to use stealth mechanic and stealth related accessories (minus 2+ slots)
Otherwise you will deal so low damage you can't progress any further than 1 mechanic boss

Other classes offer you a little more ways of play (Melee-TMelee, Ranged-PBlank, Summoner-Sentries, Mage-weapons are way too diverse lol) while stealth FORCES you to do the way devs want.

[hollow shell]

I thought that "spam rogue" was considered a viable alternative playstyle

Like you had those as the two polar options

[stable musk]

And also other classes signature/necessary accessories count can be minimized to 1 accessory without losing too much damage

[stable musk]

i tried playing rogue without using stealth much
defeating mech was too long

[hollow shell]

So this is for PreHM then?

[stable musk]

Pre-hm was hell
Hm was hell
Post-ml is viable

Pre-hm/hm stealth charge is so fricking long

spamming rogue isn't so viable

[small timber]

eventually stealth will get rebalanced (or rework even), at least at some point in the future (soon™) since the beta testers do say they will want to rework it

the thing about stealth is it NEED to be the stronger playstyle compare to spam rogue, as it is the main mechanic of the rogue class

otherwise for example, it will be that if ranger is incentivized to use just normal musket ball for every single gun in the game and never upgrade the bullets just because it is better

therefore stealth needs to be stronger than spam, because it is already harder to use, if it also dont have better reward then noone will do stealth (see pre 1.4 stealth) and just spam everything

(and no, I really dont think other class have that much diversity, ranger pb shot is just an added beneficial mechanic, you are not playing "point blank shot only ranger", ranger is still ranger; mage diversity is non-existence, what I mean is you literally can swap the staffs with the book sprite and they will have no difference; summoner sentries is underdeveloped, sentry only is almost certainly self-imposed challenge because of the lack of proper sentry gear, it to certain point is just an extra summon in most case; the only real diversity is just True Melee because it plays drastically different from the other counterpart)

[eternal escarp]

@crisp dove youre not meant to send messages there, you discuss suggestions here

and @modern garnet thats not how you make a suggestion

you should refer the the pinned messages here, specifically the Don'ts document

[modern garnet]

Sorry

[eternal escarp]

its fine, it happens a lot
atlesat now you know

[modern garnet]

But it would be a good idea to have a chicken ib stick

[hollow shell]

@modern garnet @crisp dove Don't.

[modern garnet]

I apologise

Don't what?

[hollow shell]

Joke suggestions

(let me guess)

("It wasn't a joke tho")

[modern garnet]

No I was going to say it would be cool to have a refrance from dying light

You know?

[hollow shell]

Reference for the sake of references is also disallowed in suggestions, because of their inherently weak reasoning and the fact that we've gotten suggestions of that variety a lot in the past

[modern garnet]

What if I donate or something?

Do I get a donor item by any chabce

[hollow shell]

That would have been a valid method if you joined earlier
as in a few years ago

[modern garnet]

Oh

[hollow shell]

We had a donor tier reward to get your own item in the mod

Then we got swamped

so we moved the price up

still got swamped

Now it's not a reward anymore

[modern garnet]

How much?

[hollow shell]

We're still clearing out the item backlog

[modern garnet]

Oh

[hollow shell]

The reward that's replaced it is early access to development versions of the mod

[modern garnet]

Sad why can't they add it back?

[hollow shell]

^

[modern garnet]

Oh sorry missed that

Thanks for your time anyway

[hollow shell]

👍

[crisp dove]

Does this get your attention 💵💵💵💵💵💸💸💸💸

[hollow shell]

Did you miss this entire conversation

[crisp dove]

What did I missed

[modern garnet]

Idiot

[hollow shell]

(rude)

We don't have a donation tier for items anymore

[crisp dove]

Ok

[umbral sonnet]

can we have starfruit replace miracle fruit

[hollow shell]

I think you're missing the point

Journey's End has a Star Fruit

[lusty raft]

Whether the Slime God will be moved to Post-Moonlord as the first boss. How is it made similar to vanilla? King Slime is the first boss of pre-hardmode. Queen Slime is the first hardmode boss. In my opinion it would be logical)

[hollow shell]

Sugg not formatted correctly but

Still a 1.4 content suggestion because Queen Slime

and also

That's probably never gonna happen lol

We have full intent on SG acting as the "final boss" of PreHM

(behind WoF
WoF's more like the transition)

[warped tide]

WoF is more of a skill check

if you can

pop wall of flesh

[lusty raft]

Ок

[warped tide]

then your ready

[drowsy plank]

if you want an (almost) post-ML slime boss in calamity just go download catalyst

[gray nebula]

if you want it to be post ml download better astral communicator

[ashen warren]

how did i not know that better astral communicator is a mod that exists

[gray nebula]

the catalyst devs are trying to conceal its existence

[novel belfry]

...why exactly?

it seems odd to have the literal primogenitor of all slimes be before a queen of some crystallized slimes

(and yes, i know the lore's getting completely revamped, but my point still stands)

[hollow shell]

We do indeed have a justification planned for that

If we go full hog with our plans, a very cool justification at that

.. Main gist is that while SG is the originator of all slimes, that doesn't necessarily make it the most powerful
It gained power through sheer time and association with the Evil biomes

While Queen Slime is "younger", it gained power via association with the relatively-more-powerful Hallow (compared to PreHM Evils), compensating for the time difference

I won't say what the particularly cool plan was though
for potential spoilers

[drowsy plank]

calamity has a real issue with bad, highly situational stat sticks

i think some of them have cool ideas behind them at least, though, so hopefully they just get reworked

if not i suppose removing them outright is just as valid

hey, i mean

honey dew is okay

wait

never mind im thinking of living dew

well honey dew is still like. okay against just PBG and nothing else

i mean yeah but i still use honey dew because of the 25% damage reduction on PBG specifically

like using transformer on destroyer

there are a couple accessories that are good for a literal single boss

archaic power has no excuse tho

[crude geode]

Archaic powder’s use is stacking with ancient fossil for mining speed

[pure bluff]

archaic is for mining not bosses

[drowsy plank]

i know but it still. sucks
especially when ancient chisel and cake are both gonna be in 1.4 soon

if it's for prehardmode mining, stacking it feels worthless when you already having mining potion and ancient fossil, and it'd be easier to use one or the other, not to mention how late in progression you'd typically get it (you already have to have gone to hell) and in hardmode when you're mining, chunking out two accessories slots against enemies much stronger than you just doesnt feel great, damage or defense wise.

[novel belfry]

stacking an accessory with its predecessor accessory isn't how Cal is balanced iirc (Nucleogenesis, anyone?)

[crude geode]

Then make a sugg asking for archaic and ancient fossil to not stack

[small timber]

archaic powder problem is just, it only works underground and underworld for some reason

while 1.4 port have ancient chisel but it is just 1 item (and cake is a 2 minute debuff)

[crude geode]

@waxen flower see above. also future content sugg

[novel belfry]

speakin of which, these fruits should probably be found instead of just being crafted
since, yknow, they're fruit, they should grow instead of being crafted instead

not that you shouldn't remove their crafting recipes

[hollow shell]

[grim tusk]

@night jolt you need a reason other than “its ugly”

Check the pinned doc

[mental nest]

Hey why dh can u craft a post Poltaghast pre golem !?!?!?!

[crude geode]

blame fargo's mutant

that's the recipe it's added from

[tardy smelt]

it does pull it off quite well imo

...not necessarily in how the fight works as much as how the fight feels

it feels a lot more powerful than every monster you've fought up to that point

while still feeling natural, organic and non-magical like most pre-hm bosses

[hot zephyr]

how are either of the flasks hard to craft

in fact, they're probably too easy

the unique materials were removed and replaced with pretty generic common materials

[grim tusk]

More like how tf your mod did not crash

Flasks are easy to make tbh

[hot zephyr]

the power of german translation

[grim tusk]

Also Radiant ooze my beloved

[grim tusk]

Also update your mod

Challenge drops do not exist anymore

Also disable Fargo’s banner recipes

[crude geode]

isn't enemy drops kinda annoying to get? I feel like I remember 10 evil enemy drops being kinda annoying to get, especially early game when the flasks would be most useful

[hot zephyr]

no

Funny enough the biggest thing detracting from this suggestion is future content

Which kinda puts this in a limbo

personally I think that corrupt flask will be amazing in v2.0

[grim tusk]

^

[frail mantle]

@hollow shell kill

[hollow shell]

@idle steeple Hello have a Warn for that

[idle steeple]

WHAT

[idle steeple]

A warn for what

[hollow shell]

The stuff you posted in #suggestions-posting which we have saved delete logs for

[idle steeple]

Nononononono that wasn’t a joke

[hollow shell]

Would you like it to be a mute instead

[idle steeple]

Not really that would kinda suck

I like terraria

Especially the bloody lady

[idle steeple]

The only thing I don’t like about terraria is the misogyny

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Yharim sugg

[hollow shell]

@lyric depot Already planned

[lyric depot]

Oh, I haven’t heard anything about that

[hollow shell]

Must be (relatively) new

Yharim's Legion is a very old idea

[frail mantle]

i've heard rumors of yharim's army event for a while but i never knew for certain if it actually was planned or if it was scrapped or if it was just a "yea we might do it"

[hollow shell]

We are fairly certain we are going to do it, it's on our schedule

[idle steeple]

LETS GOOOO

[frail mantle]

well i guess that's as good confirmation as we'd ever get

[lyric depot]

Thank you for clarifying the situation @hollow shell

[frail mantle]

fun

[hollow shell]

👍

[tardy geyser]

the yharmy

[lyric depot]

@hollow shell are you guys planning to add anymore auric tier summoner anytime soon?

[hollow shell]

We do have an Exo summon wep in the works, Auric I am unsure

[lyric depot]

That’s unfortunate

[hollow shell]

Oh actually, just checked, we do have summons in store for Auric tier

So,

[lyric depot]

Wooo🥳

[slim lion]

I have a loose concept I might post, but I want to see if it's been rejected first. I had an idea for a drop for the Eildon Wyrm, would that be a no-go? It's not really a "fight it for loot" enemy after all.

[hollow shell]

For AEW? We have indeed turned down suggestions of that variety before

What specifically do you have in mind

[slim lion]

There might already be something for this anyway, but the idea was that it'd drop some material or item used to make an accessory that gives you resistance to the abyss, like an endgame item to completely eliminate breath loss there.

"Eildon Scale" or something

[hollow shell]

Hmmm maybe
Better than other AEW suggs we've gotten
I can see the reasoning behind it

You've conquered all there is to conquer with regards to the Abyss so you are free to traverse it as you please

[slim lion]

That's the idea, yeah.

[hollow shell]

Abyssal Diving Suit is the closest you get currently, but that is still limited

So uh sure I think you could suggest your idea

(You don't need to give it a name tho)

[tardy geyser]

https://terrariamods.fandom.com/wiki/Calamity's_Vanities/Respiration_Shrine calamity vanities has this. got it in my last pt from aew

[hollow shell]

Ah interesting

Never seen this before

[grim tusk]

@umbral sonnet they do spawn in hardmode

[umbral sonnet]

really?

i cant seem to find any

[grim tusk]

Yes

[umbral sonnet]

oh

sorry

[grim tusk]

Quite rare

[umbral sonnet]

deleted sugg

[grim tusk]

Also you can also grind mirage jellies

[umbral sonnet]

ik

i mentioned that

they are basically guarded by reaver sharks and collossal squids which are a pain to kill if u arent post Ml

[fringe notch]

Well they mostly spawn in the post ml section of the abyss

[fleet igloo]

with the AEW sugg can I do the same but with OD and sulph sea
not that there's much that can be done with it, but still

[molten yew]

wrong chat lol

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Lunatic Cultist Have A Supreme Calamitas' Style Shield To Expand His Hitbox]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sleek wadi - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move Uelibloom ore to Hallow and Hell]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sleek wadi]

Damn

[grave zinc]

@dull ether - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Stop Counter/Evasion Scarf dodge from registering as a hit]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

lmao the only one that passed was the one that got fixed by 1.4 anyway

[eternal escarp]

almost as if it passed because of that iirc

[small timber]

@plain flare give more reason to why Calamity need to add something like this other than "it will be cool", all suggestions need a proper reasoning to work (and ya also wrong formatting)
(also stuff like this probably better goes to Calamity Vanity/Calval since they do vanity/cosmetic stuffs a lot more)

[plain flare]

for the nostalgists

hmm

yeah, but i asked here since i saw the ancient god armor was calamity itself

not vanities

[frail mantle]

also ancient god slayer looks pretty cool even if it's old

cal's old mask.... doesn't really

[muted osprey]

goofy aa mask

[fossil finch]

Brim crags doesn't have a background because funny (hell is a funny place to give your biome a background in

[spring sail]

I think they'll have to make one eventually for the brimstone biome update

[hollow idol]

still holding out for ancient auric : (
otherwise more ancient vanities would be m

[keen zealot]

there's apparently one specific ancient auric hat

and that's it for auric

what I really want is a separate mod that allows you to wear vanity versions of current and past armoursets from calamity without having the main mod enabled

specifically for current hydrothermic and old aerospec

[fringe notch]

@crystal stone sorry thought i read theme, dont worry about was sent

[small timber]

(although I do think chances are it 100% will have new background)

[fringe notch]

looking at the art server, id say it's likely

[vale vale]

What is the plan for Whips? I haven’t checked the server in a while, and can’t quite tell.

[muted osprey]

nerfed

[still zodiac]

#calamity-update-talk pins

there's FAQ

[vale vale]

Thank you

I do have a suggestion, based on that. Has a nerf to swing speed for whips been a thing? If not, then it should be. I don’t know by exactly how much, but probably pretty hefty. I remember whips swinging at a speed comparable to some of the faster swords, and being able to outdamage them.

[small timber]

suggestion for future content is a don't (basically wait for 1.4 port to be done and you tried Calamity with whips first before making the suggestion)

the general principle is can't really suggest to change something you havent experience yet (eg: maybe they nerf whip damage enough that whip speed is fine, or they already nerfed whip speed etc)

so ya, just wait for the port to be done first, then suggest if you are unsatisfied with it

[vale vale]

Okay. That makes sense, I’m just a summoner main that’s concerned with whips.

[drowsy plank]

we dont even know what whips are like, and the first update after the port isnt even gonna focus much on balance so unless you got a really unique idea, i might even wait til the second update after 1.4 to make balance suggestions for this stuff

[grim tusk]

This gives an idea of how they’ll be

[vale vale]

Already read it, worry is slightly alleviated. Only other problem I have is summons aggro-ing to offscreen enemies when I’m getting beaten like a rented mule, but I don’t know of a way to fix that without a massive rework of summons. Maybe decreasing the range at which summons detect enemies, or reducing their ability to do so when the enemies don’t have line of sight on the player?

The problem was addressed by whips in the base game, by giving summoners a way to directly deal damage. In a similar vein, maybe whips that don’t tag enemies for summons to attack would be a good idea?

[night jolt]

@stiff urchin This falls into the "No suggestions just for Sub-Classes" rule

[stiff urchin]

which is?

[night jolt]

There are suggestion guidelines in the pinned messages

Its a no to suggest something just because a subclass struggles at whatever point in the game, and True Melee is a subclass

[vale vale]

You can’t just post something for a subclass, like Guns for ranger, or, in this case, True Melee.

[stiff urchin]

so what am i supposed to do?

just suffer?

[night jolt]

bruh

[grim tusk]

Yes

[night jolt]

Its possible to no hit the Exo Mechs on Malice with the Murasama

[stiff urchin]

ik but i want to continue playing

[drowsy plank]

i mean people have found ways to do it

[grim tusk]

(And you can weave back and forth for twins)

[stiff urchin]

not that level of experience im at

[drowsy plank]

like how people his scal with true melee

[night jolt]

"Add something because I'm bad"

[grim tusk]

And alternatively you true melee scal and get tainted

[stiff urchin]

because it's fun

until this point

[night jolt]

If you are so dedicated to doing True Melee, fight SCal first

[vale vale]

Then get better. It’s slow going, but a natural part of the game.

Just like summoner struggles early on, true melee struggles in the late game. That’s just the way that the classes work.

[night jolt]

Glowing Mushroom biomes are super easy to find, and Shrines are getting reworked entirely

[eternal escarp]

^ shrines have plans to them

[steady wharf]

ah

the mushroom biome is very world based tho

like it depends

you could need to make an entire hellevator just to fight crabulon

[eternal escarp]

also true melee sugg holds 0 reason other then "make true melee subclass easier on specific boss because hurdur"

[steady wharf]

and that's a pain w/o nightmare pickaxe

[night jolt]

In my experience, the Mushroom biomes are easy to find in a zig zag line across the entire world around the cavern layer

[night jolt]

Demolitionist

If you use a pickaxe to make a Hellevator, you are just playing wrong lol

[steady wharf]

I'm not blowing up spawn to make a hellevator

[steady wharf]

?????

[vale vale]

I’d just recommend farming mushroom seeds, and building your own

[night jolt]

Then blow up away from spawn

[stiff urchin]

it's not fun at all atleast yharon-SCal because u cant hit the bosses without having to waiting for dashes or teleporting, atleast that's what im using

[steady wharf]

you need to find the biome to do that

[grim tusk]

(And even then their reasoning is invalid cuz Murasama + cheese method or weaving can reach exo twins as well as Tainted’s existence)

[eternal escarp]

then use things that arent true melee if you cant do it

[night jolt]

Any pickaxe that isnt the crystal crusher is gonna be way less convienient than Dynamite for making a Hellevator

[eternal escarp]

melee is a large enough class

[eternal escarp]

yes storm that is why i said "easier"

[steady wharf]

melee is the most well-defined class

[stiff urchin]

what's the point of doing a true melee if i can't do a true melee

im trying my best to atleast

[night jolt]

Then use Ark of the Cosmos, nobody is forcing you to do True Melee

[eternal escarp]

you cant do it, then its your issue

[stiff urchin]

dawg

[night jolt]

"Whats the point of doing Summoner if its impossible to start?"

[eternal escarp]

you are not forced to do true melee as a class
its a subclass, a part of a larger class

[stiff urchin]

it isn't

[vale vale]

Others can, this is unironically a skill issue

[eternal escarp]

it litterally is

[night jolt]

Yes it is

[stiff urchin]

not really

[night jolt]

True Melee is a subclass of Melee

[stiff urchin]

ik

that

[night jolt]

How is it not?

[stiff urchin]

was talking about the summoner thing

[eternal escarp]

[night jolt]

oh

LMAO

[vale vale]

The best part is, it is possible. You are given everything you need to start it.

[eternal escarp]

regardless i'd just say that you should just delete the sugg, it has 0 reasoning and will not hold up

[steady wharf]

true melee holds up the best

[night jolt]

TBH, all of my playthroughs start as Ranger before solidifying into the class I actually want to play, because Minishark lol

[eternal escarp]

(the true melee sugg)

[vale vale]

The only thing you aren’t given is a minion summoning item, and a few minutes in the desert will fix that

[steady wharf]

I'd argue true melee better than projectile for most of pre hardmode and early hardmode

[vale vale]

Same lol

[eternal escarp]

also to the other conversation occuring here

summoner doesnt really suffer early game anymore with the summons Cal adds

[night jolt]

3 crappy suggestions in a row lmao

[vale vale]

Agreed

[steady wharf]

also, from what I can tell, summmoner makes up for it with an insane late game

[small timber]

if I remember correctly glowing mushroom planetoid are guaranteed to spawn every playthrough

[eternal escarp]

@tardy locust incorrectly formatted, plus you cant request for items just because of a reference

[night jolt]

@tardy locust Specific Item, bad format, no reasoning

[tardy locust]

sorry

[vale vale]

It is, absolutely nutty

[small timber]

I recommend just find that instead, since having a pointer to specifically glowing mushroom biome is like, abit overkill

[tardy locust]

i didnt know

im new

[eternal escarp]

its fine, it happens

[steady wharf]

sorry I'm a noob so I'm double checking all my opinions lol

[eternal escarp]

i'd recommend reading the Don'ts doc which is pinned here

[pure bluff]

read pins

[vale vale]

There are rules pinned in the channel, check those

[small timber]

so I guess it is just random biome chance then

[eternal escarp]

(and also delete the sugg there, just to save time for the mods)

oh you have, good

[vale vale]

Ranger is insane too.

[small timber]

but ya, just for finding glowing mushroom biome and have a specific pointer to it is like, really overkill

[steady wharf]

that's just ranger tho

if any class needs love, it's rogue

nobody suggests it tho because nobody plays it

[small timber]

I think there is a suggestion in the past about always spawning a glowing mushroom biome near the sunken sea which I think is much more interesting (due to crabulon's lore association with sunken sea), and probably way more natural than like, glowing mushroom biome pointer

[steady wharf]

makes a ton of sense

[eternal escarp]

the way you edited the last sugg just screams
"i dont want to explore for more then i have to i want to finish the game as early as possible"

[steady wharf]

no.

[night jolt]

Summoner sacrifices early game for late
Melee sacrifices Range in the early game for defense
Ranger
Mage sacrifices the ability to always attack for power
Rouge sacrifices attack speed for damage

[eternal escarp]

Melee sacrifices Range for defense
if only that was true for more then 35% of the time

[night jolt]

True

[steady wharf]

I just think it's completely up to RNG to find mushroom biomes, while if you want to explore anywhere else, you know where to find it

[eternal escarp]

that is what exploration is, plus theres a bunch of mushroom biomes all around the world

its not a single structure like Thorium's Viscount chamber, which you used as an example

plus plus, 1.4 makes them even larger

[small timber]

not necessarily, the other like marble and granite are also random (and those actually have some good drops for early game)

[night jolt]

Marble and Granite are never required for anything at any point in the game

[eternal escarp]

neither is mushroom biome

doesnt matter for the arguement

[night jolt]

Its required for late hardmode ranger, Crabulon, and Truffle Worms

[small timber]

I just seriously think rather than suggesting a mushroom biome pointer, just suggest this instead ^

[eternal escarp]

not required at all

[small timber]

I just feel it is a much better solution to the same problem (if it is a problem)

[eternal escarp]

its advised if you want to get those things

but you are never required to do those things

theres a differenve between "theres a reason to go here" and "i need to go here"

[night jolt]

Ah yes, just skip Duke Fishron and Crabulon. Its not like one has some of the best hardmode drops in the game and the other is required to max out one of your Revengeance bars

[steady wharf]

maybe I just want to fight every boss????

[eternal escarp]

okay
then look for the biomes

[eternal escarp]

youre not required to get those

[night jolt]

Like, who wants to playthrough Terraria, Calamity in particular, and skip Duke

[steady wharf]

who wants to skip ANY BOSS ever

[eternal escarp]

i know some people who dont like DFish (apparently)

[steady wharf]

unless it's bee

[eternal escarp]

a lot of people

[night jolt]

Speedrunners?

[eternal escarp]

theres a thing called non linearity and optional bosses

this game is filled with those with Cal features

[steady wharf]

I'm talking about casual playthroughs here

[eternal escarp]

same here

[steady wharf]

"you just want to get over with the game, take your time"
"you don't have to fight all the bosses"

🤨

[eternal escarp]

neither of those contradict

plus, the quote is often used to people who suggest features to make the game a glorified boss rush

likely shouldve given that context, thats on me

[steady wharf]

I have like 10 weapons in my inventory rn

I am not rushing

[eternal escarp]

i mean, that doesnt really mean too much

[night jolt]

The bigger point here is really, Mushroom biomes are kinda hard to find in 1.3 and have a shit ton of content dedicated to them, but whats the point of suggesting something for it when Calamity 1.4 is so close?

[steady wharf]

is it really that close?

[eternal escarp]

yes

ish

[steady wharf]

I was thinking like late july or even up to 2023

that was my mindset

[night jolt]

We have official patch notes for it, so relatively

[eternal escarp]

late july is close
2023 is a stretch

but yeah it would come Soon (without the ™️)

[small timber]

to put it simply everything you are suggesting right now (even if it gets enough votes and get approved by developers), will only be implemented after 1.4 port is done
another context is the stable release of tmodloader will be released on 1st June (while calamity will take time to port, but it gives you an idea)

[night jolt]

I predict sometime around fall for Calamity 2.0 to officially come out

[small timber]

^ quoted by one of the beta tester

[steady wharf]

OH

OH

[eternal escarp]

damn i was just ignored this whole time then

but yeah, next patch is infact just, the port

there will be no more 1.3.5.3 tML updates

[night jolt]

I don't mean to be rude, but did the changelog not clue you into that?

[small timber]

(which is why I am really against the idea of adding a glowing mushroom biome pointer, not only it is unnecessarily overkill but also mushroom biome is bigger in 1.4 = much easier/common to find)

I am not sure about their spawnrate (if it is increased), but just having each glowing mushroom biome spawn in bigger area will make finding them much more likely

[steady wharf]

yeah

I find them 100% pre boss in 1.4

[eternal escarp]

their gen-rate is the same, i believe

[steady wharf]

I have to slam my head against the screen to find them in 1.4

[eternal escarp]

they are just slightly larger

[small timber]

ye, then probably just hold of the suggestion on it for now (since all suggestion right now will only be implemented post-1.4 port)

[steady wharf]

caves are just a lot more open in 1.4, methinks

I can easily get to cavern in a large world without much mining

[small timber]

1.4 port general world gen is a lot better ya

[night jolt]

Or just make your own one lol

[steady wharf]

I've seen crabulon literally enrage on spawn lol

[small timber]

ya that might also be the cause of why crabulon fight isnt really changed much for many patches, since the natural biome you fight it in is so small

[night jolt]

Again, doesn't really matter considering the mushroom biomes in 1.4 are pretty much battle ready

BTW, what patch is stable 1.4 gonna be on? I.E. are you going to 1.4.0, the Don't Starve update, or somewhere in between

[steady wharf]

isn't tmod on 1.4.3?

*alpha

[night jolt]

I wouldn't know, I never used the 1.4 alpha lol

[inner anvil]

I think that on June 1st it will come out of alpha.

[steady wharf]

I've used it like 3 times lol

[inner anvil]

I think.

[steady wharf]

they've said

I was expecting 1.4.4 spoilers to be the biggest thing in that SOTG

they were kinda meh compared to what we got before

which is v wierd

[night jolt]

Can't wait for Calamity 2.0 to come out and people to scream "WHERES LABOR OF LOVE!!!!???"

[small timber]

seeing as they put it on SOTG 1.4.4 is probably coming really soon

[steady wharf]

because I'm 99% they have more big plans for 1.4.4 we're gonna get on/before release

[small timber]

to the point that likely 1.4.4 will happen before calamity finish porting

[steady wharf]

because we had no idea abt the 1.4.1 summoner overhaul

up until like a day b4 release

[small timber]

I think the intention of 1.4.4 is not to make major mechanical changes so ya

[steady wharf]

and they were giving us more big news in the week leading up to SOTG

[small timber]

the terrablade is one exception (since it is iconic) but thats about it, others are almost QoL/improve on unusable weapons and cosmetics

[steady wharf]

I think they just don't like listing balance changes in tweets?

[small timber]

it is just I don't think they will put out like "ranger ammo system rework", "mage mana rework" or whatever major mechanic change in an update that is meant to celebrate terraria getting the labor of love award, since from all the spoilers, everything they do are basically major fan service

[steady wharf]

yeah

when they gonna give the mechs their second expert drops/j

[pure bluff]

whats SOTG

[small timber]

state of the game

[grim tusk]

smell of the game

[dusty path]

@plain flare Try replacing the text with the following:
Ancient Calamitas mask
I noticed there was Ancient God Slayer armor, but i thin it would be more awesome to see some old cool/funny looking sprites resurface, like this one. I loved using it as a mask

So it will be accepted by the bot

[soft quest]

slime boss, kill wof, another slime boss

in hindsight, i guess i dont have a lot of problems with that, but it is strange

[eternal escarp]

tbf QS is at the place where you also have 6 other options

you dont have to fight QS as the first one

[small timber]

@steep iron the same suggestion had been passed to the developers server before and was denied

the simple reason is that, well, it will look really ugly on the map, and because of the early worm bosses being shorter in length, you can't really see anything properly

that is why only late game worm bosses have segments shown on the map (in Astrum Deus case I feel it is long enough in Phase 1 but too short after splitted in Phase 2)

^

^

[kindred creek]

But those are vanilla bosses, not calamity bosses.

Calamity does nothing with the hallow

Calamity is a mod that aims to expand the entire world tho, even lore wise. The idea that the Hallow is completely unaffected by calamity is kinda boring. I get that not even thing needs a overhaul, but at least pay some attention to the biome

[grim tusk]

Hallowed ore

It already only spawns in the hallow

So your reasoning is wrong

Also rest of profaned enemies

And hallow gets content from vanilla in 1.4

[frail mantle]

why make uelibloom a hallow ore

even though i agree with making the jungle less important uelibloom is fossilized tree bark, which doesn't really fit with the hallow's already existing thematical mess

[sleek wadi]

Uelibloom is a thematic trainwreck no matter where you put it. If its in the jungle then why does a boss with no connection to the jungle spawn it, if its in hallow+hell then why is there fossilized treebark in hallow and hell. So in this instance I think the option that provides better gameplay, being hallow+hell, is preferable.

[hollow shell]

@kindred creek Doesn't Hallowed Ore only spawn in the Hallow anyway?

ik that's not much on its own but you say that it isn't in the Hallow in your reason

[sleek wadi]

The only remedies to Uelibloom being a thematic trainwreck are to either:
Move the set as a whole to a boss with jungle connections like Dragonfolly, requiring a rebalance of the entire thing

Or change the thematic of Uelibloom entirely to not be the 3rd plant-based ore

[hollow shell]

Surprisingly I haven't heard of moving Uelibloom to Dragonfolly before
Not a terrible idea

It would prolly lose the Silva connection if it got a Ueli connection

Well that's.. their fault

Folly is a pre-Prov boss iirc

[sleek wadi]

Moving Uelibloom away from providence also means providence doesn't unlock any armor, which is pretty wacky for what is supposed to be post-ML's first major boss

[hollow shell]

Unless.....

[night jolt]

IIRC Tarragon Armor requires Providence's material anyway

It's just like how you can't get evil armor till after Brain/Destroyer

[sleek wadi]

It does but Tarragon is under Uelibloom's umbrella

[keen zealot]

I'd rather have a finished update than a rushed one

[sleek wadi]

Any changes to Uelibloom is gonna hit Tarragon as well

[night jolt]

The bigger problem is that moving Uelibloom to Dragonfolly means that Uelibloom tier weapons and accessories get moved to pre Providence

[fossil finch]

You guys know they can just

Change most of ueli's current stuff to be profaned themed

And just make them use divine geodes

(Spawn as a block in profaned biome coming in

[night jolt]

That would probably take way more effort than rebalancing Uelibloom weapons

[fossil finch]

not at all

I mean yeah it's spriting work

But, sans biome which is getting done anyway it's not harder than testing and balancing

[hard bronze]

what if the pumpkin moon solar eclipse and the frost moon post dog had its own unique equipment that u could get from the event

[fossil finch]

no

[hollow shell]

Define "equipment"

[hard bronze]

weapons

[fossil finch]

Those events are not even staying

[hollow shell]

Because there already are custom wep drops n crafts

[fossil finch]

Also crafts exists

[hollow shell]

And ye

[night jolt]

It already has 3 combined crafting materials between them

[fossil finch]

Why do they need drops if the crafts exist

[hard bronze]

U fight it once get all the crafts and then move on theres like no point to the event other than the crafts

making it unmemorable

Or u should have a reason to revisit it

other than the crafts

[fossil finch]

yeah which is why the event is completely getting replaced in the future

[hard bronze]

oh ok

[fossil finch]

Also, drops wouldn't be a reason to revisit it

It'd be just the same

[hard bronze]

Chain gun flashbacks

[fossil finch]

You grind materials, you grind drops then never do it again

[hard bronze]

yeah but the energies u can get enough in just one go

lol 1 solar eclipse can get u like 900 darksun fragments

[fossil finch]

drops you can too

Unless you make them absurdly rare you'd also get all drops

[hard bronze]

wait the pumpkin. moon solar eclipse and the frost moon are all getting removed

[hollow shell]

The refights yes

[hard bronze]

alr

[hollow shell]

Replaced by a whole dedicated dimension

[hard bronze]

When will this be

Awhile

[hollow shell]

In a while yes

[hard bronze]

as in how many updates from now about

or how long

[hollow shell]

After the 1.4 port and after the update where we implement everything we were planning on implementing for the Draedon update but got cut out cuz too big scope
and after one or two refurbishings of existing Calamity biomes

(current plan is after two, but it could change to one if we want to)

[hard bronze]

oh ok

sweet

[umbral sonnet]

what do you do on the dev team?

[slate turtle]

#suggestions-posting message
Wasn't this already suggested

[umbral sonnet]

yea

it was me

its a repost

they said u can

if the timeframe has passed

[slate turtle]

oh ok

[umbral sonnet]

its been 15 days

wait

crap

its been 10

[pure bluff]

the timeframe is 7 days isnt it

[umbral sonnet]

oj eya

no

its not

beacuse after 14 days it wont be accepted

so i have to wait those 14 days

[night jolt]

Is this about my post? Because if it is, the older post in question was about making Katana craftable, not a boss drop

[pure bluff]

theres a rule against piggyback posting tho and i think this scenario would count

[night jolt]

sigh

[hollow shell]

Mainly feedback n concept-related stuff but in term of salient additions I do a lot of the sound effects

[umbral sonnet]

ah ok

[hollow shell]

(I also did two of the music tracks)

[hollow shell]

("higher res" isn't the right term technically, it's the same resolution just... better art)

I do think a custom ash would fit more indeed

[stiff swallow]

Well I wasn't sure if calamity used/uses a higher sprite resolution in some places (8x8 vs 32x32)

(I also didn't want to use "vanilla=crappy" lol)

[fossil finch]

Entirety of crag's getting redone in the future so meh i guess

I also think the sugg lacks reasoning but that's for rover to decide

Clashes like this will happen all the time practice everywhere

This' why ctp exists, though that doesn't have anything hell yet, iirc

[hollow shell]

Okay I guess it depends on your definition of "resolution" cuz Brimstone Slag is a multi-tile tile, it has more extensive tile variance/matching than vanilla's Ash

But it uhh, it has the same pixel size as the Ash

If it had smaller pixels in order to achieve a literal greater level of detail, it'd look like dogshit, lol

[stiff swallow]

I see

[hollow shell]

And yeah CTP exists and the Crag rework is coming but I think the sugg is valid still

It would not take much effort to sprite and add one block right now, to replace existing generated vanilla blocks, which could potentially be reused for the rework

[stiff swallow]

It's neat to know that it'll eventually get a full rework

[hollow shell]

Mhm
Some info on how it'll get reworked is available if you're interested

[stiff swallow]

Really? I ain't around here much

[hollow shell]

Here be the concept art

by the attractive IbanPlay

[gray nebula]

"more resolution means nothing tho it would look horrible in terraria

as others said

[hollow shell]

Oh right I should probably send the ones with descriptions, from the comp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424301622878011402/930935676277497906/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424301622878011402/930935677170892820/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424301622878011402/930935677795827743/unknown.png

And yeh

[stiff swallow]

Damn if that happens full scale it'll be huge

[hollow shell]

mhm, Crags are gonna extend all the way to the left edge of the world in order to fit all this

er

outer edge of the world

They're gonna always be on the Abyss-side too

aka Dungeon side

[stiff swallow]

hmm interesting

Well this and who knows what else cookin makes the future of the mod seem bright

[hollow shell]

We have reworks/additions of comparable scale happening for other biomes, too

[stiff swallow]

Nuts

[crude geode]

Surprised that the hallow suggestion is still up

Doesn’t hallowed ore already only spawn in the hallow

[stiff swallow]

I'm kinda dissapointed that uelibloom in hallow/hell got canned

[hollow shell]

I did indeed ping them over that mistake but that's the only outright mistake in the sugg afaik?

[crude geode]

Also “in reference to other sugg I made” is kinda a don’t, no

[hollow shell]

Uelibloom specifically, yes
But the Profaned is also on our list of expansions

[hollow shell]

I missed that

byeah @kindred creek that Astral Infection bit in your Hallow sugg is unneeded

[fossil finch]

Uelibloom in hallow/hell would be cringe anyway

Hallow doesn't need 3 more seconds of importance by ore and honestly just no biome does
The issue is uelibloom and where it spawns is just a secondary issue i think

[stiff swallow]

I was thinking about their other points: the jungle is overused and uelibloom would have more spawning space and thus more would be around

[hollow shell]

It does indeed suck to give the Jungle those 3 more seconds of importance versus a less used biome like the Hallow

But, tis another future remedy

[gray nebula]

the issue is plant ore numero très

or is it cuatro i forgot

silva kinda counts

[fossil finch]

The second point is moot

Uelibloom just spawns in small veins

[fossil bronze]

add more plant ore

[umbral sonnet]

I wish my sugg about the Seafood didnt get canned

[fossil finch]

That's why there's little uelibloom

[umbral sonnet]

I hate the name seafood

its so lame

[fossil finch]

go get seafood

[umbral sonnet]

Suspicious Looking Sushi sounds so much better

[fossil finch]

It doesn't

[umbral sonnet]

yes it does

[gray nebula]

it sounds funnier

[fossil finch]

Suspicious looking x is boring af

[umbral sonnet]

exactly

dude

[gray nebula]

seafood is kinda turbo bland i can see the point tho

[fossil bronze]

sussy sushi

[fossil finch]

Seafood is too but like

[gray nebula]

its boring but its le funny boss summon item

[stiff swallow]

That just seems over specific and too personal-preference based to be a good suggestion

[gray nebula]

like seafood just sounds like , some food item or smth lol

[fossil finch]

i don't want all my spawns being suspicious looking my ass

[umbral sonnet]

exactly

[umbral sonnet]

theres 1

the suspicious looking eye

[fossil finch]

it's not even suspicious looking it looks literally like sushi

[umbral sonnet]

theres are some pet summons but

the eye doesnt look suspicous either

its just called that

[fossil finch]

You do not usually get your hands on rip out eyes

[umbral sonnet]

you usually dont make your seafood out of coral seashells and shark fins

[fossil bronze]

the only precedent for anything being called "suspicious looking" other than the eoc summon/pet is 3ds boss summons

[fossil finch]

Sharkfins are indeed meat and idk someone out there managed to make corals comestible because humans are like that

Anyways this is kinda stupid i just think suspicious looking sushi is as bland of a name as seafood

[umbral sonnet]

???

[stiff swallow]

how bout "restored medallion" + resprite?

[fossil finch]

Opinion (surprising

[stiff swallow]

to fit in w desert scourge

[fossil finch]

Medallion is stupid thematically i think so lets keep as away from that

[umbral sonnet]

yea,

i agree on that one

tho I think the summon should be fish bair

Bait

[stiff swallow]

actually that could be quite funny

a fish to bait a worm

[umbral sonnet]

yea

thats the idea

[fossil finch]

That'd force you to fish which is funny enough to make people skip ds

[umbral sonnet]

No

its not for fishing

[hollow shell]

You are just full of negativity ain't you Neko

[umbral sonnet]

you dont put fish on a fishing line

[fossil finch]

i also don't think ds remembers what a fish is it's been 10 years

[stiff swallow]

well not 100%

[fossil bronze]

i thought they were talking about aquatic scourg

[stiff swallow]

It doesn't have to be a literal fish from fishing

[fossil finch]

i mean if the bait is fish
You need to fish to get fish

[umbral sonnet]

I think It should be like you hold it out then the aquatic scourge leaps out of the water right in front of you

to try to get it

[fossil finch]

When it doesn't fit my opinions yes iirc

[umbral sonnet]

My suggestion that u say sucked got over 200 votes

[fossil finch]

ok and

[stiff swallow]

aquatic scourge is kinda a bloat boss lmaooo

[umbral sonnet]

#suggestions-voting message

[stiff swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-ok-and-cat-nomnom-gif-24154766

[fossil finch]

I can still think it sucks that's not an argument

[umbral sonnet]

You dont agree with anything and you dont give any ideas of your own

[fossil finch]

you can argue that people don't think so but i do

[umbral sonnet]

your like a sibling

[fossil finch]

i don't have to give my own ideas every time i disagree with something what

This is just calamity mod suggestions

[umbral sonnet]

exactly

[fossil finch]

Now you're wrong
To put it simply: he is not because i love him

Anyways offtrack or whatever

What is this about?
Oh yeah seafood is a bland name but suspicious looking sushi is also boring that's my opinion

[hollow shell]

Not sure if the sugg should be changed or not, or if the week it got sent in was simply a high-average-vote-count week

[umbral sonnet]

wdym

[hollow shell]

If you wanna improve your odds then you could remove your exact name suggestion and just leave it at "Rename the Seafood item"
So that you don't have people rejecting the sugg cuz they don't like your name, even if they agree that it should be changed

[umbral sonnet]

ok

[past cape]

We'd just give it a better rename regardless anyway

[hollow shell]

Wait hang on a minute

Oh hi Necro funny seeing you here

[fossil finch]

Devs are usually better at names

[past cape]

I survived college

[stiff swallow]

Is that another EBF pfp i see

[past cape]

Lance moment

Also I'm looking at that Ancient Calamitas mask from the suggestions and OH GOD, I MADE THAT SPRITE (from a few years ago)

[fossil bronze]

isn't there already a mod that adds old calamity sprites

[hollow shell]

I haven't heard of it, if it exists

[stiff swallow]

"calamity nostalgia" I don't know if it adds that specficially though

[past cape]

I've heard Calamity Vanities adds Ancient variants of stuff, like old Omega Blue Helm

[stiff swallow]

It adds these

[fossil bronze]

ah
in any case, it would still fit better there than in vanilla calamity imo

[hollow shell]

(that mod has a lot more work to do)

[small timber]

@umbral sonnet a bit late but if I am not mistaken, your (old) seafood suggestion simply is posted at a timing that it will enter the batch at this week/this friday

[umbral sonnet]

no

it wont

it needs to be 7 days old

[small timber]

Fpr my timezone (just for reference), I see your suggestion is posted at 5pm, but suggestion batch is upvoted and sent at 2pm

No it is 14 days - 7 days old, your suggestion at next week will be like, 13 days 21 hours old

[umbral sonnet]

yea but it needs to be 7 days old

mine will only be 5 days old

[small timber]

Yes, then next week your suggestion will be more than 7 days old (therefore it will get in)

I mean your OLD seafood suggestion

[hollow shell]

I was personally unsure

5/27/2022 was the last delivery

[small timber]

Ya but since it need to be more than 7 days old hours are also important

For me it send at 5/27 2pm, therefore suggestions made before 5/20 2pm is sent

However the seafood suggestion is made at 5/20 5pm, therefore at 5/27 2pm it will be like 6 days 21 hours old.instead of 7 days, therefore it enter next batch instead of previous batch

(timezone differs of course, I am just using my own timezone for reference)

[hollow shell]

Can you double-check those times

Oh wait nvm that makes sense

For me the delivery happened at 5/27 2 AM while the Seafood sugg was on 5/19 5 PM

exactly 12 hours apart, confused me a bit

... wait

yeah your sushi time should be AM too shouldn't it?

[small timber]

Oh ya it is am, I forgot discord dont use am pm but 24 hours, my bad

[warped tide]

…

this seems pretty nitpicky but ok sure

[small timber]

Thank you

[pearl fable]

y'alls ravengers program is aids WTF why does he teleport and despawn when his in his last faze such cancar

cancer

[hollow shell]

Are you playing in multiplayer

[pearl fable]

in both it does that

[muted osprey]

have you tried uh

not running away

[pearl fable]

it runs away by teleporting away

[night jolt]

Not if you stay close

[hollow shell]

I have heard of this issue before but it was in MP

A retargeting bug

[night jolt]

Ravager sucks, but you also suck at fighting it lmao

[pearl fable]

i chasse it and it still despawns

[hollow shell]

Strange

Get video if you can

[pearl fable]

it does in single player

[hollow shell]

(this would probably be for #bugs-read-pins but get video anyway, it helps a lot)

[stiff swallow]

ravager is unplayable in multiplayer

has been for a long time but especially now

he might as well be disabled in MP

I feel like a way to fix ravager is just add limits to his movement, even if it is a bit nerfy to him

like adding a jump distance limit

[novel belfry]

disable the despawning limit for him in mp or make it really large

[dense ferry]

Wouldn't work for either unless their fights were reworked, also they are not the final bosses, if anything that would only make sense with Yharim, and he is still a long way from being added

[small timber]

@kindred creek there is a reason it was removed in the first place, the developers do not like "fake health bar" lying to the player

adding it to new bosses after removing it will be very counter intuitive

[hollow shell]

It is indeed unlikely that it'll return any time soon, despite the fact that I liked both Yharon and DoG doing it

[frail mantle]

The Exo Mechs’ “desperation” phase already exist in the final phase where they go goblin mode

[hollow shell]

You could consider all 3 mechs showing up an "oh crap" moment

[frail mantle]

That too

[dense ferry]

More like "Draedon realizes he shouldn't fuck around with you too much"

[small timber]

( I liked yharon and DoG one), but ya decisions are decisions, since it do make sense as those mechanic really only work the first time you see the boss

[hollow shell]

Or SCal summoning the Monster Orbs
Big fucking spheres just show up and start seeking towards you
and then more show up

[dense ferry]

SCal's entire fight is an "oh crap"

[frail mantle]

Monster orbs will probably feel more intimidating once they no longer look like hage orbs

[dense ferry]

The amount of random shit she throws at you is quite remarkable

[small timber]

scal also have bh5 and sep2 as the "oh crap" moment, and ya final mechs full berzerk also count

[frail mantle]

I remember Iban making concept art for a resprite of them once but I don’t know if he stuck with that one or if he’s doing something different

[small timber]

I think if anything a sprite that is like void of extinction or just a red fireball will fit a lot

[crude geode]

wasn't the whole point of removing it so that you couldn't one shot them

[hollow shell]

There's been two dominant designs:
Ball of souls emerging from the mass and rising away into dissipation like fire
and
A hell portal/vortex

No that was not the point and in fact that would be counter to your point I think

Putting DoG on one health bar instead of two would make him easier to one-shot

And also we removed all our one-shot protections cuz they were stupid

[crude geode]

sorry, I should have phrased that differently

so you couldn't just kill them before they entered their second phase

[hollow shell]

Okay yes that sounds familiar

[crude geode]

yee I phrased that awfully

[frail mantle]

The hell portal/vortex is what I’m thinking of yeah

I know the soul ball one was abandoned

[cobalt pewter]

[tardy smelt]

nah, they're not boring at all

they force you to get on the move, which changes the whole pacing of the fight in a cool way

their movement is simple, the movement you need to counter them is not, which makes them kinda awesome

less is more, as they say

[hollow shell]

it's the other way around usually but I suppose it still works

[tardy smelt]

bullet hells and regular phases are often best done by moving as minimally as possible

brothers is debatable, but generally her fight is about minimal, calculated movement

[small timber]

in theory, you are supposed to move more, just not for nohit
because in yeshit brimstone dart damage is basically nothing to compare to say, bh hellblast

and because of how the bh projectiles spawn, the more you move the less projectile density there are, just for nohit all brimstone dart is lethal so it is a difference case

(this is most notable if you move a lot vs move little during bh1, especially if you try to circle the arena/no overlapping the area you moved to)

[thin hill]

oh crap

[dim osprey]

Where could i find this

[frozen hornet]

the stuff he posted is pretty much what's public

[night jolt]

Exo Mechs go "Oh crap" depending on which you save for last, SCal goes oh crap when she spawns the stupid balls and respawns sepulcher

[tardy smelt]

its called a desperation phase for the record :p

[gray nebula]

😭" where could i find this"

its litterally like 3 messages below

[dim osprey]

I thought there was a larger document outlining the other stuff

[tardy smelt]

that would be the wiki page on the brimstone crag once the crags overhaul update is out of the door

[night jolt]

OK this is a bit of a long winded one, but you know how when you decrypt the schematics, there's a message that's displayed on the codebreaker?

I think thats cool, but the only way to see it again after you decrypt the schematic is to... decrypt the schematic again

You can't just put it back in the code breaker and see the message again, you need to put in the same amount of power cells as it takes to decrypt the schematic again

Not only is this so redundant that it hurts, it also makes it pretty easy to forget if you just decrypted a schematic

I think they should make it so when the schematic is decrypted, it gets swapped out for a new item just called "schematic" like in the Sunken sea lab

The message can be the tooltip for the new item

[novel belfry]

good suggestion

[ashen warren]

They should superbuff supreme calamitas