#suggestions-discussion

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fossil finch
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Concept's been approved before

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Iirc

unique vector
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its a dev item yes

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it will not be moved earlier unless the dev wants it to

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sorry

vapid mango
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didnt know there was rules on dev items

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sorry

unique vector
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read the doc pinned here!

vapid mango
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i did but that was like when i did my first sugg so i forgor

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💀

crude geode
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You don’t religiously read the sugg rules every 12 hours? Kinda cringe bro

fossil finch
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~~just read them every time you sugg something

vapid mango
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that might be a good idea

hollow shell
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Crystyl is too old

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This sugg is fine

crude geode
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Oh wow

vapid mango
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nice

unique vector
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o

hollow shell
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It's kind of a weird case to move something out of Shadowspec tier

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but, yeah

vapid mango
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well to be fair its really just a tool

hollow shell
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Crystyl is among the first dev items in the mod

crude geode
vapid mango
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like if NR got moved to pre ml would anyone complain?

hollow shell
crude geode
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It’s a bit vague tbfh

hollow shell
crude geode
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Just “most shadow spec weapons” doesn’t really give you the best idea

hollow shell
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Not sure how to remedy that issue without outright listing every item it applies to

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which yeah I guess we could do but it'd be quite uhh
clunky

unique vector
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(technically graydee is here she just isnt in the team)

hollow shell
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byeah

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and we've been making changes to Crystyl without her permission already

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including the whole laser beam thing

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It used to just be a really fast pickaxe, that's all it was while Gray was still around

vapid mango
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very swag pickaxe

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you know what would be "a thing"?

crude geode
vapid mango
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if crystyl had a sound like last prism when the laser is out

hollow shell
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As in, the Phaseblade 'voob voob voob voob'?

vapid mango
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yep

hollow shell
small timber
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Isnt the BOC teleport indicator a repost? As in too recent, since the batch of last BOC teleport indicator hasnt gone to dev yet

hot zephyr
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You see

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There is a pickaxe for exos

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It's Scorpio HDFailure

hearty obsidian
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I'm curious

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How many "buff RTN" suggestions have been made

distant gyro
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at least 3

hearty obsidian
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Less than I thought

hot zephyr
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tbh

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I think RTN would benefit with some sort of rework

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especially after the upcoming AP fix

radiant meadow
radiant meadow
# hollow shell

idk about suggesting to move shadowspec items out of shadowspec tier tho

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like I guess suggesting reworking it is okay

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but like if you're suggesting to move it out of shadowspec tier, then like it's not really "dev item" tier anymore

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which is very weird for a dev item, even if the dedicatee isn't around much anymore

small timber
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ya tbh just add a new pickaxe that is about as powerful (or at least have strong tile mining/destruction efficiency)

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rather than bothering with the moving in and out of shadowspec/dev tier thing

cobalt pewter
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just upgrade Blossom Pick to Auric and work from there

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make an explosive pick that mines 7x7 tiles at a time

hot zephyr
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Auric Pickaxe will have five different variants, one for each class

distant gyro
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you have five different variants

tardy geyser
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auric auger would be a nice name tho, and more drills are needed

hot zephyr
small timber
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is drill fixed with 1.4? since due to pickaxe range drill dont get to benefit from faster pickspeed, because they just run out of block to mine in range

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basically they just end up being worse pickaxes

distant gyro
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fixed as in pick speed affecting it? no

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buffed? yes

tardy geyser
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yea, drills are much faster than picks in 1.4. but it still probably isnt enough to make drills better since calamity adds a lot of things that buff mining speed

cobalt pewter
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drills in 1.4 are significantly better without any stat boosts

pickaxes still have the best potential speed with added boosts

hearty yew
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ok y'all have unearthed me from this channel

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by mentioning scal's name

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we have talked about this exact problem on the dev server multiple times and came to an almost identical conclusion

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scal needs a title that actually makes sense

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but the other problem is everyone knows the name scal right so how do we not make it confusing

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so if you actually did talk to rover first I'd be shocked if he wasn't aware of the prior discussions in dev server

crude geode
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rover was unaware lol

small timber
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I think the general approach is that as long as there is nothing inherently wrong/dont with a suggestion it will go into voting? since it need to get enough vote in the first place and if the devs dont like it they can just deny

not sure

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since it will be rare case where community idea aligns perfectly with devs plan

eternal escarp
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(not that rare it happaned a few times)

hot zephyr
cerulean trench
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idk why my providence star rework suggestion is getting no votes

ruby plover
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I'll tell you what
people probably aren't voting for it cos they like getting free healing lol

cerulean trench
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and my excalibur shortsword rename is on

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what

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280

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votes?

ruby plover
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nerf suggestions don't usually get many votes i think

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some people just like things being op

cerulean trench
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i mean yeah

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but when it makes the boss a joke

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idk man

hot zephyr
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idk

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the top suggestion is to flip a sprite

distant gyro
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the most popular suggestions are changing minor nitpicks that everyone agrees with doing

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that pretty much fits the bill

sand umbra
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some things never change HDfailure

cobalt pewter
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indeed

eternal escarp
cobalt pewter
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demik ascended beyond godhood

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byeah, that's kinda why I'm a bit confused when the sugg to rename stealth went thru

granted it's probably smaller of a change than it sounds, but yea

hot zephyr
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I think it's pretty big

golden tulip
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what

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stealth is getting renamed

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and supreme calamitas too

hot zephyr
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"It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!"

golden tulip
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i have no idea where that is

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i havent seen it

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i just read it from the conversation here

frozen hornet
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aa stinkping

errant cloud
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i tend to have more interesting ideas when i zone out and at the time i had thought "you know, yharon's title refers to him as a jungle dragon, so why not have something for scal referencing how she's a witch and not an eyeball"

cobalt heath
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i would change it to Calamitas, the brimstone witch

errant cloud
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there was a side-suggestion by either iban or rover (i think iban) that in addition to having calclone stick to her old name (calamitas) you could perform an internal switch once clone is defeated for the first time, where it's renamed to Calamitas Clone or something

cobalt heath
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cause its the brimstone witch

swift sinew
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#suggestions-voting message

Just wondering, hope this isn’t spam, how many stars does this need to be sent off? And it seems that its not getting a lot

frail mantle
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There’s no set star req

cobalt heath
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your sug didnt make the cut

frail mantle
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Every Friday the bot gathers all the suggestions that are older than 7 days but younger than 14 days, grabs the 20% highest starred suggestions and sends them to the dev server

errant cloud
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TIL

swift sinew
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Dam, so it probably will never get suggested; does it just get deleted?

Also I would have thought others may have wanted this feature guess I was wrong.

small timber
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if it is in a batch that already get delivered ya it will never get into dev

swift sinew
small timber
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basically any suggestion that is older than 14 days (that did not already get enough vote to go into devs get ignored)

small timber
# swift sinew Batch?

due to the new system basically suggestions are send in batch now, older than 7 days and younger than 14 days, as stated above

swift sinew
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Right, so should I repost the suggestion or am I not allowed to go this

small timber
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that you should ask mods (particularly mods that take care of suggestions), since different people seem to think differently of how long it is considered as repost

swift sinew
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Right, although it wasn’t a suggestion people seemed to like that much, but I did think it was alright; guess I will wait a while before I repost; although I don’t think community opinions will change.

Would you be able to tell me the reason why it probably wasn’t rated highly - like how can I improve it as it was enough to get put on voting, but not enough to change minds

small timber
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as previously discussed, probably because 1) people dont do the challenge so they dont care much about it; and 2) they dont want their accessory to basically have a brand of "you did not obtain this the legit way"

swift sinew
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Well then, why not change the items entirely and turn the challenge item to be purely cosmetic? So make a new item?

Although I would have to ask the dev again, but this would solve the issue of the branding, right?

Ir will give those who do the challenge the reward, and those who don’t have to feel bad as it’s just cosmetic; would this work?

hearty yew
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amusingly we were planning on the compromise Calamitas, the Supreme Witch so that scal was still correct

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which is why I started with all this

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"wow you independently realized the same problem with scal's name"

worn salmon
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Supreme Calamitas the Supreme Witch of Supreme Brimstone Arts

gray blaze
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SCalSWSBA

sand ermine
errant cloud
grave zincBOT
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@scenic trout - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make wall of flesh de-spawn on player death]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@hard bronze - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Adult Eidolon Wyrm/Abyss Sound Design Changes]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@digital saddle - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff Valor]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@dapper thicket - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an “alternative” to the Heart of the Elements featuring various preexisting male characters in Calamity/Terraria]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@short warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Adult Eidolon Wyrm more drops]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@wraith kestrel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make building the Codebreaker easier to figure out]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow the Hive Mind, Perforators and Astrum Deus's non-consumable summon items to be obtainable prior to their defeat (And additionally give one to Anahita & Leviathan)]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@slender void - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Malice Treasure Bags]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@dusty path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Solar Flare armor not override the dashes if it can't dash anymore]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@cerulean trench - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename the Excalibur Shortsword and True Excalibur Shortsword to be called the "Caliburn" and "True Caliburn" instead]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

frozen hornet
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caliburn in real

ashen warren
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Or whatever I forgetrr

ruby plover
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i mean
caliburn is better than just naming it "(name of a weapon that already exists) shortsword"

eternal escarp
distant gyro
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the alternative is excalibur which is basically the same thing

slender void
frozen hornet
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People want that more clearly

hard bronze
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My ego is now boosted 10 fold

slender void
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I still really hope that the BOC telefrag gets fixed at some point in the future

errant cloud
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This isn't just out of selfishness or something for my own suggestions, but with a lot of suggestions in general, you're going to end up with important mechanical changes being missed in favor of stuff like...malice bosses dropping treasure bags? (Not that I dislike that idea, but it's...kinda non-functional and a "for fun" idea)

slender void
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yeah

short walrus
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Blame the community then

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The Devs have no say in what actually gets into voting

slender void
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and renaming Excalibur short sword getting 200+ votes but fixing shortsword mechanics getting 90

errant cloud
grim tusk
grim tusk
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Then dev server votes

grim tusk
slender void
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that does make sense

grim tusk
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The most stared sugg of all time is literally flipping a sprite

slender void
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because calamity is a very flashy mod and people like making it even bigger

grim tusk
errant cloud
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Head scratcher if you ask me, even though say treasure bags for malice being starred a bunch by the community exists, the devserver would probably vote a heavy no on it if they removed treasure bags from the other gamemode (arma?)

grim tusk
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Armaggedon is dead

slender void
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maybe the bot could split aesthetic vs practical changes so that one doesn't drown out the other

errant cloud
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I'm aware but the sentiment is still there

grim tusk
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(Well nycro’s nohit efficiency exists as a replacement, no bags tho since you’re likely cheating stuff in anyways for nohits)

slender void
errant cloud
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I'm also aware that the previous system mightve been worse but I would take a pretty bold stab and say this one is not very much better

slender void
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bc malice has no reward as of right now

grim tusk
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Rev, Death and Malice are supposed to be just difficuties, heck expert is also like that in Cal

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You dont get more for choosing harder modes like in other videogames

slender void
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at least rev has new mechanics and death has pets

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Malice just seems difficult for the sake of it

grim tusk
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Death has 2 pets, one from scal and the other one being a pain in the ass to get, both dev items

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Malice has Gael’s greatsword also a dev item

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Rev just has the upgrades to its added mechanic

errant cloud
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Storm who designed the bot so I can give them a ring

golden tulip
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nycro

grim tusk
slender void
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just split the voting channels into mechanical suggestions and aesthetic suggestions

errant cloud
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For a better implementation

grim tusk
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Just because “my sugg didnt get in, reeee”?

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You know you can just try again

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I literally reposted a sugg 5 times until it finally got in

slender void
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tbh you shouldn't have to do that

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if a suggestion is good then it should get in the first time not the 5th time

golden tulip
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what

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thats dumb

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so you cant correct yourself

errant cloud
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Storm it's not so much out of personal selfishness as i can shelve that small bit pretty easily, it's that the functioning of this system is very inefficient and can be improved on tenfold. So yea I'll give nycro a ring about it

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Prolly later this afternoon tho I'm in bed

eternal escarp
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yeah not a great analogy

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also personally i find this system better

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instead of a specific cap to reach which basically blocks some suggestion ideas
theres a cap that always changes and suggestions that make sense have a chance to reach

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its better then having to get 270 stars for each suggestion on its own

slender void
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idk but it just seems like the less meaningful suggestions will always beat out the more meaningful ones

eternal escarp
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that always happaned

slender void
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exactly

eternal escarp
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same example, good nerf suggestions or good gameplay changes will always be voted less, because people disagree with them sometimes

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you cannot craft any other bot or system to fix this unless you make the moderators pick suggestions by hand
which will not happen

slender void
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so split gameplay suggestions with visual changes to balance that

eternal escarp
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that wouldnt really

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fix it

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that way you get less of both

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which is

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worse

grave zincBOT
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@dusty path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Solar Flare armor not override the dashes if it can't dash anymore]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

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@dusty path - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Solar Flare armor not override the dashes if it can't dash anymore]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

gray nebula
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nice double ping b*tch

eternal escarp
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when the
single line of code suggestion

radiant meadow
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bot may or may not be having a stroke but that's okay

radiant meadow
small timber
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for nerf suggestion just have to ping tester for it if it didnt get enough votes

short walrus
eternal escarp
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yeah you can ping testers (theres like, 3 active testers in this channel anyways) for nerf suggestions

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but i just gave it as an example

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obviously theres more

small timber
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the only possible solution I can think of is to separate suggestions into 2 type: one for mechanical/gameplay, one for QoL

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and the 2 type of suggestions get their own batch

eternal escarp
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same system with them split would mean there would be less in the 20% to reach dev

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i think thats how math works(?)

gray nebula
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if the important mechanical suggestion is important enough you should be able to get enough stars

eternal escarp
gray nebula
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if you can word it nicely enough that is

small timber
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the only difference is just mechanical suggestion have more chance to get in, instead of overwhelmingly QoL

eternal escarp
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and if its like, highly controversial then itd make sense if it doesnt pass

gray nebula
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Like theres a restriction in terms of which suggs get accepted because devs don't have all the time in the world

small timber
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I think many mechanical suggestion do get stars, just not quite QoL level
like 150 vs 200 kinda problem

eternal escarp
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i mean tbf

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one of the most highly voted suggestions was a fully mechanical one

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reworking rage HDfailure

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so the issue isnt always like, specifically mechanic suggestions

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but controversial suggestions which are, usually, mechanics and not QoL

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not everyone will agree with some suggestion to a mechanic or as a feature

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the less agreement, the less stars, the less chance itd pass HDfailure

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aka current system is fine

grave zincBOT
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@fleet bobcat - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the abyssal diving suit disable the the sulphur poisoning in the sulphuric sea]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

drowsy plank
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oh thank god

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that was long overdue

grave zincBOT
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@scenic trout - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make wall of flesh de-spawn on player death]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

cobalt heath
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oh fab is implementing sugs atm?

frail mantle
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fab isn't the only dev

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but yeah seems like they're going through implementing some

cobalt heath
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i though all other ones were on break?

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i hope the draedon tablet one gets in soon

slender void
golden tulip
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are modded players just oblivious of 1.4

cobalt pewter
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empty sugg posting

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been a while

cobalt pewter
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either actually oblivious or are intentionally pushing themselves to be oblivious

eternal escarp
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its been frequently suggested aswell by now HDfailure

small timber
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is it time to repost this for the 19684th times

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slender void
gray nebula
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do't get telefragged lmao

slender void
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whoever posted this

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dev items are shadowspec only

gray nebula
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except when they arent

slender void
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ok true but still

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changes to shadowspec items are specifically mentioned in suggestions donts

gray nebula
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i mean no they can be changed

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just get the permission from the person

golden tulip
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it was already discussed that crystyl specifically is okay

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because that person isnt on the dev team anymore and it was one of the first dev items

slender void
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I see

gray nebula
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i mean the sugg would have likely been denied anyways

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should have been "add more endgame pickaxes, why is it only blossom pick and then crystyl crusher"

slender void
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true

golden tulip
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cus theyre not necessary prolly

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you dont do a whole lot of mining postml

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and blossom+ is really fast already

slender void
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auric pick would be nice in general

small timber
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ya it was mentioned in the suggestion, but the main idea is still to move crystl

hot zephyr
slender void
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no suggestions for the rest of the week

cerulean trench
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watch it get rejected

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🚎

errant cloud
gray nebula
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it does

errant cloud
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Enlighten me

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:p

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It isn't that 99% of all suggestions are garbage, it's that using an emoji for the public is a flawed metric, if all the community wants is aesthetic tweaks and other miscellaneous things

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It is true I'm coping about my own suggestions but I'd rather target this stuff in a practical way where mechanical suggestions are just as valued on a rough basis

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And using emoji replies does not seem like a good method

slender void
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ok I have a valid opinion on this because I have a suggestion that passed and one that didn't but yeah voting system could be improved

errant cloud
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What I really think is more productive is to have nycro take 5 different suggestions from 5 levels of stars (read: 5 suggestions from 20-40 star posts, 5 from 40-60, 5 from 60-80, 5 from 100-120, and 5 from 120+) and have slimmed down but more critical criteria for what passes and what doesn't over in devserver (this is with the limited insight I have to what goes on over there)

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It'll take longer each week but afaik you'll get a more fruitful output for things to pop into the mod

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I was originally going to voice this to nycro since he was the bot developer but yea

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What ends up happening is each suggestion is random picked and then once it hits devserver you'll end up with something that (while more work) is more balanced between mechanics suggestions and aesthetic tweaks rather than just "HDhurdur add more toilets pls"

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But thats my take idunno

fossil finch
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Star votes are meant to signify than more than 2 people want the change

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Ofc certain types of suggs will always have more people voting but that seems very backwards

grim tusk
fossil finch
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A lot of the suggs that don't pass requirements don't pass them because people just don't care

grim tusk
grim tusk
grim tusk
eternal escarp
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honestly the current system is, as said
fine

grim tusk
eternal escarp
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only things that get the most stars in the week pass
why? because it means the majority of the vocal community would want the change

grim tusk
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But that would also be a lot

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20% is fine

eternal escarp
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if not many stars get added to a sugg, its likely not something the majority of the vocal community will want

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this is quite litterally democracy

grim tusk
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^^^^

eternal escarp
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yes, low effort suggestions that are more QoL and visual changes get more stars
but its not because of what the suggestion is, but its because those suggestions usually have a lot of people who agree to them

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aka
democracy

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you can always repost some suggestions after a while if you feel like they were posted at a bad time, but i can tell you the old system was not good

frail mantle
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the reason the star req is like what it is now is because when the requirement was fixed, it meant that barely any suggestions got enough stars to be sent when there were many suggestions because people dislike scrolling

eternal escarp
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instead of 1 suggestion competing agianst the quite literal ten thousand or so suggestions in the channel, they only compete with the suggestions of the same week

grim tusk
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Yep, momentum capacitor suggs tries 1-3 may have gotten ~200 votes but since 200 < 250 get fucked lol

This new system allows suggs to not need a huge amount of stars to pass.
Suggs can now pass with 180 votes

eternal escarp
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yeah

errant cloud
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I find the problem lies in the fact most suggestions don't get 180 stars even if they're "worded nice" like iban phrased it

eternal escarp
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instead of needing an immense amount of people to luckily see your suggestion without scrolling and be a relativefly liked idea
you just need a handful (compared) of people to agree and only "compete" with suggestions at the same time

eternal escarp
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or:

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it was posted on the same day suggestions get delivered

errant cloud
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Well no, there are fantastic suggestions that don't get 180 stars (whether they're mine or other peoples')

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180 is an insane amount. Like, idk if you've wandered around and taken a look over time

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But most suggestions which are good get 90-120

frail mantle
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they don't need 180

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they just need to have more than most other suggestions in that batch

eternal escarp
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ive been here for a year and i made many suggestions that reachers the previous star requirements

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and yes what leon said

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you dont need that many stars

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thats what an average means

frail mantle
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and if they don't get more than the others in that batch, it is simply because the community didn't agree with the suggestion

eternal escarp
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just need to be above that threshold of the 20% average

errant cloud
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Can I just take a stab at the elephant in the room

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I really don't want to but since for the sake of the argument I'm cornered I may as well

small timber
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You can have mechanical suggestion a and b, does it mean a must be better than b?

eternal escarp
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thats what the stars are for
they decide what is more valuable HDfailure

errant cloud
#

this community has no idea what's good or bad and the idea any npc especially out of cmt chat could tell you within a reasonable margin that something is good is insane

eternal escarp
#

inserting "we live in a devmocracy"

errant cloud
#

That's the elephant in the room there I said it

eternal escarp
#

well
not the suggestion channel issue

#

thats what you do in this channel specifically

small timber
#

And also the idea is too self-sentric, it is build under the assumption that only you (or someone) can make valuable suggestion while others are trash taking spot to get into dev server

eternal escarp
#

you shoot suggestions down / help improve suggestions to make more sense and have higher chances to get stars

#

this channel litterally exists to make suggestions better

grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

mhm

#

theres a reason theres a delay between posting to voting

#

people critic suggestions before they reach

small timber
#

Because while a lot of suggestions get pass are qol (which may overshadow mechanical suggestion) many of those that get high vote do make sense

grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

some QoL suggesstions also
suck and or boring

#

and dont always get voted

#

byeah

grim tusk
#

And are like way too much hand-holding

eternal escarp
#

ye

errant cloud
#

Enlighten me

grim tusk
fossil bronze
#

most people who play videogames don't participate in online communities iirc

#

so there's probably a lot of people who just
play the mod
and nothing else

eternal escarp
#

theres the
redditors
discord people
the 8 people who use forums
international people
people who dont care for any part of the community and just play the game

small timber
#

Your assumption is that everyone who played terraria and installed calamity also use discord

frail mantle
#

this server has a little over 100k members

eternal escarp
#

cal has like, over a million downloads iirc?

small timber
#

And on top of that, the community are not just calamity player, but will also include viewer

frail mantle
#

calamity's total downloads are in the millions

eternal escarp
#

so yea h

slender void
#

just
split qol and mechanic suggestions

have the person posting it mark whether it's qol or mechanic and put it in each channel

and decrease the number of suggs per cycle from 20% to like 15 or 10% to balance out twice the channels

small timber
#

Not everyone is actively playing calamity every day, let alone joining rhe discord

eternal escarp
#

it really feels like you guys are just fighting the definition of democracy

slender void
#

yeah

errant cloud
small timber
#

Cal discord have like 100k member (?) But if everyone is active cmt will be flooding right now, instead we only have like 10 people talking

grim tusk
#

Yep

#

There are many lurkers

#

Or people that forgot that they joined the server

errant cloud
eternal escarp
#

anyways
suggestions very likely wont change

#

you can try suggesting to change them via the staff mail, i doubt youd succeed

errant cloud
#

Naw, I'm just gonna find nycro directly since from a technical standpoint he's better at arguing a point than me (if he hears something valuable out of my takes, he can use it)

#

Nycro developed le bot

eternal escarp
#

i know who nycro is
and server suggestions go to the staff bot usually anyhow

#

it will reach nycro either way

small timber
grim tusk
frail delta
#

I feel like at that point it's just rude to basically single out the person who made it because you disagree with an aspect of it that not all people seem to see is an issue

grim tusk
#

^

small timber
#

Considering now there is 0 suggestion, it is the perfect time

frail delta
#

Also making discord bots is a pain in the ass

errant cloud
eternal escarp
#

agian, it pretty much feels like youre fighting the idea of democracy in the way suggestions work rn

grim tusk
frail delta
#

As a comp sci major I can attest to that fact that it sucks most of the time

eternal escarp
#

nycro made the barebones bot in like, a week i think
hes really fast HDfailure

errant cloud
#

Bots are not an insane amount of code

#

Kruiz can back me up on this lo

slender void
eternal escarp
#

doesnt mean its neccessarily easy though i believe

eternal escarp
#

as i said like, 15 messages ago

small timber
#

Doesnt mean you should take others work for granted

frail delta
#

Maybe the things I've tried making have just been much more ott than needed

#

But I would also not say that making anything programming wise is easy

small timber
#

It is still significant effort to develop, implement the bot + maintenance

frail delta
#

^

errant cloud
#

Depends mostly on your language and functioning level kruiz

frail delta
#

Or the scope of what you are making

errant cloud
#

Anything c based can fuck itself

frail delta
#

Or the scale of it

errant cloud
#

But scripting languages based

frail delta
#

. . .

errant cloud
#

Well ok and py/go/rust

#

Shh

eternal escarp
#

and regardless the only type of suggestions that have like
actually negative chances to go through are nerf suggestions

grim tusk
#

People like their op stuff

eternal escarp
#

but you have testers like me and storm which are active here, and you could ask us about things to see if they are found to be needing a nerf or not

#

(theres like 2 more actives in here but i forgot who)

#

(ian i think?)

small timber
#

Suggestion: nErF oRiChaLcuM GeMSparK (10 votes)

errant cloud
#

me talking about nerfing enforcer and getting brushed off HDfailure

small timber
#

(although that one is happening I think)

grim tusk
#

(Yes we know about Tracking disk, OSG, and yes I’ll eventually kill it once the balance update will be done)

frail delta
#

The only suggestion I have on the nerfing front is to maybe set up an avenue to suggest possible nerfs to active testers to look into

grim tusk
frail delta
#

Because with how many items and playstyles in the game I would venture to guess 5-10 active testers may not catch everything

errant cloud
#

True yea

small timber
#

There is nothing wrong with it, the worm just have skill issues

eternal escarp
grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

stealth momento!

grim tusk
#

Stealth also has issues I’ll eventually deal with

errant cloud
#

Stealth is uh a whole piece of art

slender void
#

pre worm DR change be like

#

rip facetanking worm bosses

errant cloud
#

@grim tusk @eternal escarp some of the more fun convos I've had come from beta testers, what if I threw mod bot a suggestion to open up a testing chat

#

Ye? Naw?

eternal escarp
#

wdym

errant cloud
#

Literally #testing-chat

#

Something something

eternal escarp
#

a chat... to request tests...??

errant cloud
#

Naw just like a...general chat for testing

eternal escarp
#

thats just dev server

#

lol!

errant cloud
#

Yea well devserver isn't public HDfailure

eternal escarp
#

keen observation!

errant cloud
#

!

eternal escarp
#

yeah i dont see why wed need a public testing channel

#

if you want to ask a tester something you can usually just
ping them

errant cloud
#

Yea but why do that and feel awkward when there can be a chat I can just throw a question in

#

And one of the testers is just there

eternal escarp
#

because

#

thats just

#

a random channel with no real purpose

#

testers are not a zoo animal

#

its not a petting zoo HDfailure

errant cloud
#

I just don't like pinging blast wtf

eternal escarp
#

okay too bad

small timber
#

I mean... If a server like this chances are it will be like...

Yo THIS WEAPON MEGA OP
(Antisocial + wing slot + unlimited buff, facetank boss true melee)

eternal escarp
#

im active in this channel anyways but too bad for you

errant cloud
#

LUL fine

eternal escarp
#

@testers HEY NERF x AND y THEY ARE SO BROKEN!!!!

deals a slightly above average DPS and gets a slightly above average killtime

#

the meaning of "op" is just non existent to some people, cant trust the public

errant cloud
#

Eh? Ok that's the missing context I needed

#

I didn't know testers could work on the mod

eternal escarp
frail delta
eternal escarp
#

testers test things in the test versions, and then they give ideas and or thoughts on how things should be balanced and or fixed
atleast, thats what ive done in my very short time, im relatively new to it

eternal escarp
#

cant speak for other people though, but i'd assume that if they werent enjoying it they'd take a break from it

frail delta
#

Fair

errant cloud
#

Seems kinda redundant when suggestions come in later to tweak the same thing doesn't it

#

Idunno

eternal escarp
#

i mean

#

its happaned a lot of times

#

theres a specific reaction to that usually

grim tusk
frail delta
#

Just because one person feels one way about an item doesnt mean everyone does

eternal escarp
#

the "already planned" and the "implemented"

#

if a sugg is the same or an idea alike something thats planned, either of these get tagged on the suggestion

grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

god

grim tusk
#

It has indeed happened in the past

eternal escarp
#

this image invokes hatred

#

extendo grip!

grim tusk
#

When people sugged here about weapon being op

small timber
#

I had seen too many "malice too easy" with asphalt platform, unlimited buff and luiafk already

#

And that is the lower end of "QoL mod" usage

grim tusk
#

I once 3 shotted Thanathos

errant cloud
#

I didn't use alt favorite until 2 months ago

#

I've played since pre-lunar update

#

...actually I'm probably one of the oldest non-important people in the discord and I keep forgetting that

#

Been around since cryo evils

#

Anyway

#

Yea extension mods and cheatsheet users be damned

grim tusk
#

Anyways if you need weapon tested, dont make sugg and just ping a tester here instead

#

We’ll test the weapons with our guidelines and make the needed changes

frail delta
grim tusk
#

:noted:

small timber
#

all postML yoyo except terrarian, obliterator and oracle are trash buff please

grim tusk
#

Poor lacerator

frail delta
#

I still pride myself to this day that I originally suggested the Beenade upgrade like 4 years ago

errant cloud
#

Memes aside i would not turn down making a suggestion for PBG weapon line rework since nobody seems to use them HDfailure

grim tusk
#

PBG weapons are numerous and all viable and epic

#

Except maybe system bane

#

I hate that thing

frail mantle
#

pbg when she has, like, four ranged drops

grim tusk
frail delta
#

I say we do need more bee related weapons late game for the lols but have no clue how to suggest that for voting

small timber
#

And also microwave is ultra trash, and I assume it is because of iframe or wrong damage, because the aura is not doing how much it is stated

errant cloud
#

Idk maybe I'm jaded from seeing so many melee/TM runs, but I really don't remember seeing many people use PBG weapons

frail delta
#

But that's just because I am biased towards loving the bee weapons

errant cloud
#

I remember by color and I do not see plague green weapons often

grim tusk
#

PBG total gets
3 melee items
4 ranger items
1 mage item
2 summoner items (one being donor)
3 rogue items (one being an accessory and the other a rare drop)
2 accessories (one being part of rogue items)

Unlocks:
Draedon's Arsenal t3 which is 5 items, one per class
Summoner armor (unlike popular misconception, Plague reaper is pre-PBG)
Some melee swords

eternal escarp
#

then agian, it likely was the damage output with nohit gear

grim tusk
#

The problem with system bane is that yes it shreds Rav and thats it

eternal escarp
grim tusk
#

Also “mmmmmmmmmmmm”

eternal escarp
errant cloud
#

At this point from playing cryo n evils onward maybe I should just write a doc of all the things I'd like to see tweaked or changed

eternal escarp
#

i agree, "mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

errant cloud
#

Could certainly fit more than 5 pages

small timber
#

I mean in that case keep it conscise, unless you actually have that many different things to write

errant cloud
#

I do

eternal escarp
#

byeah as mentioned above
PBG's gear is just fine for the most part:
Malevolence is based
The Hive is based
Blight Spewer is based
Pestilent Defiler is great if you aim, great for LC too HDfailure
The Syringe is fine iirc?
Virulence is good
Diseased Pike is your average TM experience
Malachite.
Fuel Cell Bundle is a pretty decent summon
Infected Remote is decent iirc
Pandemic.. exists i guess
Plague Staff is fine

#

dunno how well Plague Heart fairs being a lone accessory

errant cloud
#

malachite.

#

lol

eternal escarp
#

and items from Infected Armor Plating are all around fine

#

gatling laser, gauss rifle, system bane in specific cases

#

Galvanizing Glaive exists and i am not sure if it does more then just exist but i can be proven wrong

grim tusk
#

I hate gatling laser

grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

HDfailure that answers it

grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

yeah Plating only unlocks the drae arsenal, plaguebringer armor and 1 sword (True Forbidden Oathblade, which is decent)

#

every other craft it has is after PBG by a couple of tiers

#

(which is a single other sword and a single other summon)

small timber
#

I think the one that I suggested about underpowered HM yoyo should be pretty reliable, since it is multiple attempts each boss to obtain consistent result

errant cloud
#

Blast

#

One of the things I wanted to write for le doq I mentioned before was the idea of a HUD rework for health n mana

#

What if

#

E?

small timber
#

1.4 have new health and mana bar

eternal escarp
#

HUD rework for health n mana
?

#

1.4 does that in some sense and theres other mods that do that yeah

#

dunno if Calamity is the one that needs to do so

errant cloud
#

I mean it can have its own theming and afaik 1.4 tml supports it fully...I'd like for a center-top instead of center-topright alignment and a health/mana placement sort of like Diablo/PoE

#

Where it has the circular tanks

#

Calamity is sort of grungy and it's fun to go with the theme for it

eternal escarp
#

i mean

#

youd need a pretty strong reason to suggest something purely cosmetic like that

#

while i guess it could be cool, saying "itd be cool" isnt a great reasoning

gray nebula
#

Creating a new meta of trying to get your suggestion to be so horrific to hit the sweet spot of 20-40 votes suggs because comparatively speaking not many suggestions get this low 🤩

errant cloud
#

Iban bully me for something actually worth bullying about good lord

#

I had rescinded the topic there for one since it wasn't going anywhere and for two I don't even think it would create a meta

gray nebula
#

i mean i'm joking but its scuffed beyong belief and sorry i only checked back now

errant cloud
#

I've just had a stressful morning is all

#

vc4 was ignoring me and devteam confuses me with this other fuck

#

Who was an abusive piece of shit

#

Ty for le apology

small timber
#

@slender void late ping sorry, late to see it

I think there is a suggestion that just get posted like yesterday that is basically also BOC teleport indicator

slender void
#

that's me

#

I posted it

#

it didn't pass

#

so I reposted ir

small timber
#

No I mean in the voting

slender void
#

oh cool

small timber
#

In suggestion voting I mean

slender void
small timber
#

(anout to post one)

slender void
#

oh no

#

@small timber swith

#

you might want to edit that

small timber
#

(phone typing)

hollow shell
#

@small timber "current difficulty indicator is not very obvious and missable" 🤔
Is the indicator, plus the text sent in chat upon usage of the items, not obvious enough?

#

(Plus the sound that the items make when you use them?)

sand ermine
#

i think he wants some sort of animation for it

#

sorta like how the terminus has one

hollow shell
#

Yes I understand that

#

His reasoning says that this would help to mitigate accidental usages and accidental double-usages
which it would
But I don't feel like those were much of a problem in the first place

sand ermine
#

yeah

#

besides, usually i just throw away the difficulty modifiers after using them (i dont use them too much lol, i just prefer normal expert mode)

pure bluff
#

why would you ever keep them in your inventory for long after using them i put them in my piggy bank

sand ermine
#

@grizzled parcel It's already been mostly decided (iirc) that the Zenith is being moved to Auric tier

grizzled parcel
#

?

#

Wait so

sand ermine
#

Also iirc item suggestions aren't allowed

grizzled parcel
#

Zenith now has +||auric tesla|| bars to the recipie

#

?

robust lava
#

Also future content suggestions aren't allowed

grizzled parcel
#

Then whats the suggestion chat for :/

sleek turret
#

suggestin' actual stuff

robust lava
#

Suggesting changes to things in the mod

sleek turret
#

read the pins

gray nebula
#

Strokepost

#

but powerful copypasta material

frail mantle
#

zenith was tested and fit perfectly in auric tier against exo mechs and SCal balance wise

#

then melee speed changes happened and it became probably too strong for dev tier but that's a separate issue

grim tusk
#

Also this sugg does not work at all

#

Not only do Galactica singularities sort of fit this purpose already

#

Zenith is tiershifted and not Pre-Providence

grim tusk
unique vector
#

this is why future suggs are banned

#

troll

#

i feel it could be useful to do both

sinful violet
#

What

#

Ain’t that because it’s just the bot’s territory

grim tusk
#

Moderators can react in there so i dont see why not

#

Similar to how wiki dudes can react in wiki zones

candid dove
grim tusk
#

For suggs like the most recent one

candid dove
#

@hollow shell Usually takes care of that stuff, so best to ask them whether that is needed

hollow shell
#

m

#

Considering the rules (that lead to ❗ reactions) exist for the sake of dev workflow

candid dove
#

👍

#

Added

hollow shell
#

realwegud Thank you Danny

grim tusk
#

Also genuine question: why can testers react in #suggestions-voting despite manual sends not being required anymore

unique vector
#

ty danny

#

(sorry i forgot to reply i was busy munching on candy)

#

uhhhh tester role is severely deprecated so probably just an old perm @grim tusk

candid dove
#

Also fixed

cerulean trench
crude geode
cerulean trench
hollow shell
#

Posting is intended as the WIP space channel anyhow

#

But uh yeah sugg seems fine

crude geode
hollow shell
#

Would help to include a BoC killtime with Caustic Edge tho

#

for comparison

cerulean trench
#

but that boss has the thing where

#

its always near you

#

caustic edge is bad because its small

#

making it super hard to use against

#

like

#

perforators, skeletron

grim tusk
#

The only time I’ve had reacted to a sugg in #suggestions-voting was to add a 🏁 that was forgotten to be added (ursa sergeant buff sugg)
But even then it felt wrong

grim tusk
cerulean trench
#

which channel tho

grim tusk
#

Here

cerulean trench
#

oh ok

hollow shell
#

That isn't a really set-in-stone rule

#

Cuz we didn't really set up a pipeline for that

#

But if you wanna handle it then you can

unique vector
#

you can react for whatever is needed

#

the bot doesnt override it normally

#

i just like being able to review suggs now and then so they can filter properly

grim tusk
# cerulean trench oh ok

We had already noted that we had to rebalance melee and other stuff completely though so we’ll eventually take care of those 2 weapons

grim tusk
grim tusk
hollow shell
#

No perms?

cerulean trench
#

bc

#

its a full third of the game

#

where you use

#

1 weapon

grim tusk
#

There are multiple instances of outliers

cerulean trench
#

over the hundreds available

#

another thing

#

is the Bat Hook retiered in calamity

#

because

#

its

#

uhh

#

slightly overpowered

#

for a pre-boss hook

grim tusk
#

It has been a vampire drop for quite a while, removed from goodie bags

cerulean trench
#

k good

#

if it was still from goodie bags lol

slender void
#

wow actually descriptive suggestion

cerulean trench
#

no way crazy

slender void
#

longer the suggestion, the more screen space it takes up in #suggestions-voting, so it gets more votes

cerulean trench
#

true

hot zephyr
#

@cerulean trench planned

#

(also, t-melee really isn't tested around fungal symbiote, or rippers if you used them)

#

the buff to Blade of Grass, and other similar weapons (ex, night's edge) happened when RDR was still in the mod, so atm they have pretty bloated stats

cerulean trench
#

ahh alright

#

also what is RDR

hot zephyr
#

reactive damage reduction, a now-removed feature that increased the damage reduction of bosses if they were being melted

cerulean trench
#

so

#

dps caps

hot zephyr
#

roughly yeah

cerulean trench
#

🤮

#

old calamity had hard dps caps

#

and not like

#

what it is now ig

#

like scals cap was 25k before killed

hot zephyr
#

@hollow shell with so much planned balancing upcoming could we reinstate the balance sugg don't that existed during 1.5's development cycle

cerulean trench
#

oh no im gonna violate a rule

#

im gonna get warned

hot zephyr
#

nah

cerulean trench
#

oh no

slender void
#

aaaaaaa nooo

cerulean trench
#

my internet points

slender void
#

not the internet points

hot zephyr
#

you do realize, if balance suggestions became a don't, nothing would be retroactive

#

because that would be dumb

hollow shell
hot zephyr
#

Pretty much

#

since most of the suggestions recently have either been known issues or things I could do in like, a half hour

hollow shell
#

Okay
If so, this time we are actually going to need a list of active testers who are willing to test stuff on a whim for suggs
Cuz that's what was missing before

hot zephyr
#

the testing team has grown significantly since then

#

i'd be fine with doing it once porting is over

#

since we can't actually balance test until that's done anyways XD

slender void
#

hey hey guys cool suggestion let's remove the yharon requirement for murasama I think that would be cool and funny

hot zephyr
#

feel free to suggest removing the skip for murasama

#

i'd gladly star that

ruby plover
#

ooooo being able to make balance suggestions like that would be good

#

orichalcum spiked gemstone needs to be nerfed into the ground

#

or at the very least, less of a dps difference when used against single targets compared to worms

hot zephyr
#

(we know)

ruby plover
#

thank god HDFailure

hot zephyr
#

orichalcum spiked gemstone and blade of grass

#

might be literally the two weapons I've heard the most about in the last X time

cerulean trench
#

what a classic

slender void
#

what was that wof drop that was changed to shadowspec and all the people that got it post wof had it with a changed name

cerulean trench
fossil bronze
#

shouldn't it be death exclusive dog drop
since it was prepare to cry

cerulean trench
slender void
#

yeah add that back in

#

vehemenc

cerulean trench
#

"it was overpowered" 🤓

#

"it could 1-shot moon lord" 🤓

slender void
#

what's the fun of calamity if you don't melt bosses

fossil bronze
#

i do enjoy not playing the game
what fun!

slender void
#

average "qol" mod user

1349964400.jpg
cerulean trench
slender void
#

hey let's make dummies work when bosses are alive

crude geode
#

Can y’all take this to a different chat

slender void
#

dragons rage be like

west jackal
#

Though I think that was before the new bot

distant gyro
#

no

strange otter
#

suggestion: an upgrade to murasama which is raiden's HF blade,

ruby plover
#

thats a specific item suggestion (SIS)

#

read the doc in pins

strange otter
#

my bad, no SIS

eternal escarp
slender void
hollow shell
#

Dunno how long it'll be till then but

#

I'll write you both down, somewhere

small timber
# hollow shell <@290083110312214528> "current difficulty indicator is not very obvious and miss...

Sorry yesterday was pretty late for me

The reason is 2 front (not very strong reasoning), firstly is that a complete world difficulty switch indicated with just a single chat message can be easily missable, especially for new player

There is also situation where things like using Rev on Death Mode will disable both (also apply to malice)

The second is that for some players they might switch difficulty against bosses that are too hard, or most notably, playing malice (yes) as an actual boss refight mode or just to see how absurd it is. In that case the current difficulty indicator is so small that the player might not even know it exist

For chat message ya it is mostly just to prevent double click

#

Then there is situation like multiplayer although tbh if your part member is randomly switching difficulty chances are you are not playing with them for long

inland saddle
#

There's not really any reason a sugg with 20 stars should be getting forwarded to dev

#

The way the current system works accounts for both fluctuations of server members and activity

#

Additionally, even if I wanted to change the system, like Blast mentioned, it would need dev approval beforehand

#

And even if I could I wouldn't change the system without that

#

Also coding Discord bots is something I find fun

inland saddle
crude geode
inland saddle
#

The suggbot isn't massive but I program, maintain, and host a decent number of bots including my own music bot

unknown.png
#

That's suggbot btw ^

crude geode
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If a sugg got like two stars there’s usually a reason lmao

small timber
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and also ya that guy's idea is a bit too self-sentric tbh

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the reason he suggested the bot to work that way was because "my idea will benefit the mod more but dont get high votes, therefore the bot should send some of the lower star suggestions"

crude geode
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Yeah going back it seems like he’s just complaining about the fact that sugg is based on democracy which is like. cringe

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Sure there’s certain types of suggs that tend to get more votes but that’s better than what it was like before

inland saddle
crude geode
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idk who to trust, a beta tester for one of the most popular terraria mods who helped design sugg bot, or le random discord user

inland saddle
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I coded the entire bot

crude geode
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Sorry yeah

inland saddle
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lol

crude geode
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Point being, I probably am gonna trust the person who made a discord bot over the random user

inland saddle
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I also had LOTS of input and support from Rover and Pixl

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Not coding I mean

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Designing

crude geode
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I'm trying to figure out how to word a suggestion title for making Vehemence not extremely lame in function for how cool it's clouds look

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because for an endgame mage weapon it feels extremely basic

muted osprey
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effect stacking ‼️

cerulean trench
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so that

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only the devs can vote

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and they have infinite votes

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and if you disagree

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with their thing

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you are banned

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permanently

robust cove
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Nah

frail delta
inland saddle
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What language do you program in?

frail delta
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I've been mostly working in C# as of lately

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That and C++ are probably what I know best at this point

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The times I've played around with making discord bots it was python which I'm not the most fond of just because it feels too simplistic

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I might pick up making a discord bot as a summer project along with my whole database application I had planned since I can try to do it in C#

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@inland saddledid you use the Discord.Net, DSharpPlus, or both libraries for the suggestion bot?

inland saddle
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I used D#+

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Much better library imo

frail delta
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And it looks like it has a fair bit of documentation on everything too which is a plus

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Yeah, I think I'll take another look at it since C# is something I enjoy working in

radiant meadow
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reason to use C#: doesn't require dynamic memory management

frail delta
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I love it because I really enjoy working with databases and it just has so much good utility to do that

vocal grotto
radiant meadow
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oops, it's all memory leaks!

frail delta
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Not again

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Is Calamity C# based?

radiant meadow
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yes!

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Terraria is coded in C#

frail delta
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It seems like a lot of games are made with C# these days

radiant meadow
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ye, I think stardew valley is in C# as well

frail delta
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Celeste too

radiant meadow
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Terraria has been running on severely outdated C# for quite some time now as well

frail delta
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Oof

vocal grotto
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Terraria runs on an engine that was released in March of 2006 and has been officially discontinued for years TaxEvasion

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TML updated it to use a more modern version of the engine tho iirc

frail delta
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That's so cursed

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I wonder why they never updated the engine with newer updates

violet dagger
vocal grotto
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Same reason all core NPC logic is in an 80k line file
It's never really required significant change for the game to work, even if under the hood things are wacky

frail delta
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Yeah, I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it

sacred dune
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this has probably been said before but we should be able to exhume melee, ranger and rogue weapons

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i main all three of these classes and i feel excluded

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lmao

crude geode
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That’s kinda the point

cobalt pewter
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they plan to add more exhumed weapons in the future iirc?

crude geode
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Mage and Summoner have SCal as their boss and the others the Draedon Mechs

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Tis why Mage and Summoner also get two drops each compared to the single for other classes

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It helps to diversify things

cobalt pewter
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@tidal epoch 1 sugg per post, and follow the formatting of other suggs

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also what are these suggs

sacred dune
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but still, i should be able to upgrade my weapons further

cobalt pewter
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I legitimately do not understand

sacred dune
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if calamitas doesn't do it for me then draedon should

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or yharim idk

cobalt pewter
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dragonfolly is definitely a boss

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super boss is a buzz word

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literally no one has ever used the term "superboss" correctly in Terraria modding

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might as well not use it

tidal epoch
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maybe, at least i keep the thing of the shrine

tidal epoch
cobalt pewter
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I think giving them summoning items defeat their point

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abyss should jumpscare you

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that's their entire gimmick

short walrus
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The abyss's entire thing is scary dark hole

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As said before, summon items completely defeat the point

cobalt pewter
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also wouldn't the abyss shrine sugg fall into the general shrine changes planned in the future?

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since it's technically a shrine in the same vein

short walrus
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Just wait for the biome update

tidal epoch
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ok?

short walrus
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I dont get what's confusing

tidal epoch
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I didn't knew about that

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:v

short walrus
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It's been something known for a hell of a long time

tidal epoch
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not me

short walrus
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Shame

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Anyway, probably just delete the sugg

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The first part defeats the point of the biome and the second is going to be addressed

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👍

short walrus
short walrus
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Damn

sacred dune
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when yharim gets added, he should drop materials to upgrade his ultisword

short walrus
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he's probably just going to drop his ultisword straight

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the current line is getting resprited and renamed

frail mantle
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ultisword won't be related to him anymore

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at least not directly

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his actual sword will be dropped by him directly

frozen hornet
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oh that's what you meant the other day

sacred dune
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rename to "ultimate caustic edge" and "true ultimate caustic edge"?

frail mantle
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caustic and true caustic are also being renamed

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they're kinda trying to avoid doing the whole terra blade line "true" weapon thing, as is seen with the ark/biome blade line renames getting rid of the true ark and omega biome blade names

ashen warren
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supreme caustic edge of grass ex prepare to ultimate edition

digital saddle
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it was mostly useful for defiled but

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defiled is gone from the mod now

muted osprey
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magic carpet is just free hover

fossil finch
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Rework auric tesla armor

It sucks

crude geode
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Someone finally made the suggestion lol

golden tulip
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theres already plans for an auric armor rework

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when? who knows

cerulean trench
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yeah i agree

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the auric tesla armor has never had an identity

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thats the armor itself

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its just the fact that calamity at that stage is stupid linear with class armors that arent summoner

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so the only real option besides gem tech is auric tesla

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and gem tech is a massive pain in the ass bc you have to grind the hardest boss in the mod

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the only reason auric tesla is popular is because its forced on the player

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theres no choice except auric tesla

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or gem tech but like i said

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pain in the ass

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and the accessories part are just an unnecessary piece too

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carpet can be helpful

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but very rarely

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psychotic amulat is only good when grinding and even then the trash mobs will get 1 hit anyway

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and i have no fucking clue what the frost barrier does

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so that just shows that they are unnecessary

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that i have no clue what one of them does

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just overall a very boring set, i agree

cerulean trench
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demonshade

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is just "lets give the player 763% damage for no fucking reason LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO"

frozen hornet
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demonshade's point is to be glass cannon armor

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eventually exo armor will be real and will focus on tanking

novel belfry
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or is that just purely a donator set?

frail mantle
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gemtech is solely half donor half dev

fossil finch
crude geode
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I don’t see any recent ones really but maybe just bad searching on my part

slender void
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that will be really cool

fossil finch
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~~miracle matter*

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~~kirby bo

ashen warren
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Is gemtech new

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I wasn’t here for new update💀

cerulean trench
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post exo mechs

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aka draedon

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after yharon but before scal

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exo mechs unlocks the exo gear now

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which is also as powerful as scal gear

ashen warren
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🥶

tidal epoch
frozen hornet
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gemtech is not the actual exo armor

glossy reef
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why would it need one

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it's a straightforward all purpose armor that lets you become a glass cannon at will

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in compensation it's much more vulnerable than other options

frozen hornet
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you don't know what they're planning to do with it

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I'm not entirely sure either

glossy reef
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no actually

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is it just

frozen hornet
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It will get three helmets

glossy reef
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the current gimmick but better?

frozen hornet
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one for melee, one for ranger and rogue, one for mage and summoner

glossy reef
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because i like tbe current gimmick

frozen hornet
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We'll see

crude geode
glossy reef
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oh my god they're complexifying it

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lovely

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i presume it will have 3 different set bonuses?

crude geode
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We don’t know lol

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Wait til porting is done and it’s actually on people’s mind

glossy reef
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you know what i like about demonshade?

unique vector
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its getting reworked to be a more practical damage/glass set

glossy reef
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totally subjective but

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i like how

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it's very very simple

unique vector
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i didnt really hear abt the whole 3-class change but i think thats correct as well

frozen hornet
crude geode
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It feels weird to me that melee gets it’s own fucking helmet from the boss meant to highlight mage and summoner

unique vector
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(she isnt)

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shes just like that because we ran out of time to add more weapons XD

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same with exos favoring the other three claasses

crude geode
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Truly a little trolling

unique vector
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when the cut content upddate gets fucked by 1.4

frozen hornet
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I mean she summons minions and uses magic attacks herself and has an entire helmet for that

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she also doesn't use ranger/rogue things at all

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Same with melee

glossy reef
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every armor set post ml has actual fucking paragraphs for descriptions, and although that is not really a bad thing