suggestions-discussion

[gray nebula]

you'd have to check way more tiles

🙂

[ruby plover]

if you change the biome range, maybe tiles will die without dropping any items, money, or gore

[small timber]

@steep iron sorry for ping but a dev basically answered your suggestion, and also if it require il edit it used to cause massive problem
I ping you also because I remember a very similar suggestion asked for the samething get denied, likely also due to technological reason ~ #suggestions-voting message

I think a much better (and less buggy) approach will be just suggest to make boss biome enrage more forgiving, since currently most of them just punish you for slight amount of not in biome

[steep iron]

ok ty

[golden tulip]

30 second timer for a boss to enrage out of biome???

what are you on the other side of the world

the enrage clearly does its job if it annoys you

but a 30 second timer would make it useless

[muted osprey]

I think it's more like preventing what I like to call "oh looks like you exited the biome for 1 frame time for your pegging session"

[eternal escarp]

30 seconds is way too long for a cooldown, 5 seconds work just fine

if you have an issue with 5 seconds then, as said above, simply build your arenas better

[small timber]

I will be honest I am fine with biome enrage get removed (except for specific case like polterghast)

the current timer say 5 seconds but I think it is a bit buggy with some bosses, for example in one of my pbg fight it just do vertical charge despite me being in the middle on jungle with only a mid section (1-2 second) area of arena being out of jungle

[eternal escarp]

biome enrages act as a soft cap arena limiters, they have their purpose

[small timber]

and things like duke still get instant enrage as soon as you leave ocean

[eternal escarp]

if Perforators did not have a biome enrage you could litterally just KS style them

and if you bother making a large ass crimson thats on you

[small timber]

I just think it is two fold: normal player will not purposedfully fight a boss out of biome (unless they are specifically familiar with enrage and try to abuse it), without QoL mod like Luiafk it is hard to build massive arena; and 2nd is malice already act as an actual enrage

[eternal escarp]

thing is
youd never need such a massive arena

[small timber]

so basically currently 5 second enrage timer only thing that it do is screwed over normal player who already have difficulty making arena by punishing them for building a bad arena (accidently nuked biome etc)

[eternal escarp]

say for PBG you can have a large enough arena that uses no actuators, i did it multiple times myself

[small timber]

I think 30 seconds is abit too much, but things like 10 second will work

since the intention is just prevent the player from abusing a massive arena

[eternal escarp]

personally i see 5 as just fine
any more and it makes going out of an arena less meaningfull

[small timber]

5 second have a high chance of still enraging, most notably underground jungle, since it is hard to keep track of the biome without actuator block

[eternal escarp]

its specifically intended to punish you from going "out of bounds" i dont think it should be lessened

[eternal escarp]

music, background, enemy spawns, the fact you can spawn PBG out of the jungle

[small timber]

and the other one I remember 5 seconds significantly punish the player is EoW, because of how corruption is generated you either have to clear large area with only bombs or any arena you make have high chance to be out of biome

[eternal escarp]

and agian i dont think theres any biome boss that requires a big arena that will force actuated blocks

[small timber]

other than that will be just specific case like duke, where it have 0 second enrage timer

[eternal escarp]

for EoW you dont really need a massive arena its like, 2 platforms max

[small timber]

I think actuated block is just jungle (unless you fight it in a very small arena), or hallow for provi/profaned guardian (unless you want to have basically no vertical space/fight it in underworld which is hard to terraform)

[eternal escarp]

the only example you brought up i agree to is Providence

[small timber]

I think jungle is weird because you need either lizhard block or jungle grass, and grass block have like garbage biome tracking

because mud block that is not on the surface dont have jungle grass

so if you terraform jungle you can very easily accidently make a large portion of the arena not jungle, despite it definitely looks like still in jungle

@steep iron sorry for ping again, the purpose of biome enrage is basically to prevent the player from abusing massive arena by taking the boss completely out of biome (since some bosses are designed around biome restriction, eg: most obvious example ceaseless void)

on that sense, 30 seconds is abit too much, I think change to number like 10 seconds will be much more reasonable, as it still achieve its purpose without just having normal player that dont have arena building tool (Luiafk, cheatsheet etc) from building an arena that accidently enrage the boss

and four specific example this matters (10 second rather than current 5 second), is:

1. underground jungle: due to jungle requiring jungle grass block not mud block, which is only on the surface of mud block. If the player try to terraform underground jungle a large portion of the arena can easily be turned non-jungle unless the player use actuated block (eg: lihzhard block)

2. ocean biome: notably duke fishron and leviathan, I am pretty sure both enrage before 5 seconds have pass if you escape ocean biome (even just for 1 second)

3. corruption biome: because of how evil biome is generated, crimson usually create a good underground arena but corruption underground is unusable. Meanwhile surface corruption (unless it hit biome like desert) will be extremely hard to build around due to arena building require exclusively bombs. This mean surface corruption area often must be very tiny or have a large portion of the arena being out of biome, making fighting bosses like Eater of World and Hive Mind more difficult/straight up enrage the boss

4. Hallow: for Profaned Guardian and Providence, if you use naturally generated hallow biome you will have no vertical space, you almost certainly have to use actuated block to increase biome height or to fight both in underworld (which is difficult to terraform)

[fossil finch]

No

specific item suggestions aren't allowed

[golden tulip]

sissy

[stray quiver]

well damn

[golden tulip]

also please say calamitas from now on

[ashen warren]

Well yeah I learned that about 100 attempts in

Nah 50

[small timber]

have you tried out providence recently>

because the boss is incredibly nerfed since the last update

[ashen warren]

RLLY

I HAVENT

Oh cringe

Star was amazing

It healed me

It was basically undertale

[small timber]

nah star part is only how it deal damage is changed

basically it no longer ignore defense

[ashen warren]

That even better

[small timber]

so basically the biggest danger of providence battle is remove

for holy ray, it ALWAYS come after a star attack so I will not call it "unpredictable", because you will know it is always coming

[ashen warren]

It reminded me of asriel so I took a Martian hook and dodged using it because undertale

[ashen warren]

I have never realised this

[small timber]

for molten blob ya sadly it is visibility issue, personally I find double tabbing to make the map whole screen make it more visible

[ashen warren]

My reaction to that piece of information

Was astounding to me

[small timber]

or the alternative is to fight it in underworld where it is visible (but underworld is hard to terraform)

[ashen warren]

Well yes

But

[small timber]

when providence is below (like 75% HP) she always holy ray after a star attack

[ashen warren]

Specific drops bro

[ashen warren]

Bro thx for this

[eternal escarp]

(a lot of providence is patternized im fairly certain)

[ashen warren]

I’ll take note

Maybe I was just doing it wrong 💀

[small timber]

ya, but since the suggestion is specifically referencing holy ray

[ashen warren]

Mb

[eternal escarp]

i see people talked about the ray so i have nothing to add

[small timber]

I try to see if molten blob still have visibility issue, because recently it is a lot better

[eternal escarp]

I daresay everyone completing this bossfight has died to it at least once.
yes, you are expected to die in a fight to get better

this isnt really something that helps the suggestion

personally i dont have any issue seeing them, but if you have an issue the Omniscience potion exists

[ashen warren]

Bro the forth suggestion what skin pack is that guy using

[ashen warren]

Mb

💀

Thx

[ashen warren]

Kek rephrased

[small timber]

I think the molten blob is decently visible now, can see for yourself

holy ray one (if you want to be more specific, after each star attack providence will fly around dropping some block then next attack is always holy ray)

wait sorry I forgot to mention that is Death Mode only (use holy ray after star attack)

Death Mode: Star attack -> drop random blob -> holy ray

Revengeance Mode: Same as Death Mode, but additionally, Providence also use holy ray at another time

Spear attack -> drop giant blobs -> holy ray

basically Providence use holy ray 2 times as often in Revengeance Mode than Death Mode

so basically everytime providence enter cocoon phase to either fire spear or star you can expect holy ray is coming

the "random" holy ray timing you experience might be cause by providence out of biome enrage, since now providence out of biome make her change to malice AI (which is basically Death Mode) and if you lleaven then return to biome she end up delaying the holy ray attack because of AI change

[golden tulip]

why does it sound like rev is harder than death

[small timber]

malice providence is easier than death mode night providence (except the high damage) because of projectile speed, not everything is exactly balanced

[golden tulip]

im not talking about malice

we already know malice is unbalanced

[small timber]

death mode still have that slowly enrage mechanic so providence do get harder as she go to lower hp

revengeance her performance will stay mostly static, currently death mode when she is near death her star phase just spam projectile

[cobalt pewter]

let's see if I get poked for saying shit that's already been said

but the first sentence is unnecessary

just go straight to the point

[small timber]

and also slightly change the language to be less masochistic/sarcastic, as the language do not really help convey the point other than you are annoyed at the attack

it will be much more helpful is you just stat what is the problem and what needs to be changed

This might sound biased as honestly the first thing that comes out on my auto-correct when I type I hate is “providence”. But hear me out here. The holy ray, although is dodgable, you cannot see it coming if u are too far away from the boss, perhaps from dodging other attacks by manoeuvring away from the boss. I suggest they add a warning sound effect if providence is about to fire the holy ray. This will make the boss fight a little easier as to compared as before. My main reason for my claim is that providence is a major obstacle in a calamity run, and I think it’s too big of a boss to fight then it should be. As a ranger, solo-ing this boss is near impossible for me and** I would rather die**. I understand that providence should be hard as it should be a highlight of a fight, but making this a tad bit easier will really ease my suffering.

On to molten blobs. They are incredibly hard to see especially fighting Providence in daylight. I think most people completing this bossfight has died to it more than once. This is a major issue in my fight against providence, and I would like to see it more visible. To compensate for this advantage, I suggest that the blobs do more damage, as it is actually a good attack as it advises u not to rush the bossfight. I would like to suggest also that the molten blobs fall with more gravity-like physics as it currently just falls at a fixed rate and it really is quite out of place in the entire fight **(this one is more because it contrast with your suggestion, since this is a "change" to the attack rather than "nerf"). ** Thanks for listening.

[grim tusk]

Providence literally halts as an indicator that she is going to throw her deathray

And molten globs arent that hard to see at all

[small timber]

I think providence halt one is more that she is constantly out of the screen on rev (since on death she follow you quicker), and if the player rely too much on running away it will be out of screen

molten glob one I think got improved a lot (visibility), not sure the suggestor played the newer update or not

[grim tusk]

They might just be a mad redditor (they hate Providence)

[stable musk]

not suggestion
just you complaining

providence is okay

srsly

[west jackal]

I never have a problem with the holy ray lmao

[hearty oyster]

blobs are pretty easy to see in hell

maybe dangersense might work?

[calm elm]

The “i think most people completing this boss fight has died more than once” point seems dumb to me

yeah people are gonna die to a boss if its difficult

Also how does someone want holy ray nerfed when its way easier to dodge than the crystal

And the crystal isnt too bad

[unborn siren]

Yeah ray is fine, it has an audio indicator and you can pretty easily teleport through, even with the 4 beams in malice

[cobalt pewter]

the 4 beams doesn't matter without rod

it's only used to counteract rod users

[unborn siren]

it’s still easy to teleport through if you know the timing

[distant gyro]

if chippy can tell the cues of a holy ray then you can

[calm elm]

And even then you can still rod thru it

🌝

[cerulean trench]

TRUE

[dense ferry]

Even if you don't see the ray, you are expected to be close to her, and the closer you are, the slower it moves, it always closes near your position and there is a clear audio cue

[calm elm]

Providence literally punishes you for getting far from her anyway

you’re supposed to stay close

[cobalt pewter]

eh, that one has a bad telegraph

[calm elm]

the old indicator for “too far” was better imo

[cobalt pewter]

while it's kinda obvious as you fight, the actual limiter to the fight area is invisible as heck

Iban proposed a good change but idk if they'll implement it anytime soon

can't be bothered to find the image within seas of his attempts to be funny

[ashen warren]

[cerulean trench]

am i making something that makes dream look like a good person

[grim tusk]

wasnt that patched 🤨

[river glen]

hmmm

[cerulean trench]

nope

[grim tusk]

[cerulean trench]

so its allowed :troll:

[grim tusk]

yes

[cerulean trench]

unless its under "misc bugfxes" which ok

[grim tusk]

actually yea could be posted in there

since its an exploit

[cerulean trench]

but its not a misc bug fix when it lists dog bugfixes themselves

[hard bronze]

Going back on this instead of this, what if there was like a god slayer ground pound or like enemy pound on or something like that where when you dash and hit an enemy, or something, it generates a god slaying shockwave thing or something

and silva armor has like a revive ability but instead of it just reviving u, when it does revive u it brings trees from the ground or something and eats ur foes idk or does a lot of damage to the boss or something while also reviving u and stuff

and for bloodflare armor it can like idk make a chance for ur weapon to release souls of polterghast which deal damage and get some life steal from it

and for tarragon armor it could like encase ur enemies in wood making them unable to move for 5 seconds or so but it has like a 30 second cooldown

idk just some thoughts i had

[grim tusk]

GS dash is already too good, although it being only visual could be fine

[hard bronze]

Yeah but ig itd feel less lazy?

cuz its improving on a stat that was already there and not just copy and pasting it

[grim tusk]

:clueless:

[hard bronze]

Yeah i shouldve worded that better

[grim tusk]

prob not

[grim tusk]

Tarragon is fine as it is already

some work could be done on it

[hard bronze]

Oh yeah these arent for armors separately this is for once u get auric tesla armor

the armor bonuses seperately are fine as it is but yesterday a dev said that they wanted to rework auric tesla to be like the biome blade attunements; expand on them while keeping the same idea relatively there

Also bloodflare for auric tesla should be like a rampage thing, like u get a speed, and life regen boost for like 7 seconds and during this rampage, all projectiles have a chance to spawn in the projectile from the soul edge thing (the spirits of polterghast) to life steal for u

[gray nebula]

;gaa

i would do it but im waiting for the 1.4 port to end before doing anything new

😇

hihi (and then i proceed to barely help with said port im just a spriter really haha

[warped tide]

Wait providence can heal the player?

!wiki providence

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Providence,_the_Profaned_Goddess

[warped tide]

Oh the Cocoon phase has some

I dont see how this is a bad idea

[digital saddle]

the cocoon phases are already by far the most difficult part of the fight

(death making both cocoons significantly harder and also happen constantly is bad iirc)
((makes it the biggest death mode difficulty spike relative to the rev version of the boss in the game))

[golden tulip]

the cocoon phases are like

the only hard part

[digital saddle]

that doesnt mean they should be made harder

if anything other parts of the fight should just be made harder

[golden tulip]

yea idk i think prov is kind of in a

weird spot rn

[digital saddle]

i just hope "making the other parts harder" does not mean increasing the already extreme projectile spam

[golden tulip]

she got nerfed pretty bad but she is still hard or something but then again (@)difficulty is subjective and idk loooool

[gray nebula]

[golden tulip]

great feedback

[tidal epoch]

I just asked for an accesory for the earth elemental because I felt good with the idea.
lol

But is good that everyone got the idea of an alternative HOE

"HE"

Tbh, it sounds even better than my original idea

[tidal epoch]

I think It is a very good idea

[glossy reef]

making the elementals ripped men will not stop the horny i assure you

[mighty locust]

Agreed, one of my friends its horny for the Witch dok

[calm elm]

Tell him to stop being a degen and grow up

[tidal epoch]

is not for the horny, a summon accesory is good to me as an extra pal that does damage, and tbh, I would use that slot just for the extra pal to defend me

[keen zealot]

reminds me of the suggestion to add a config option to hide the tiddies for some dude's little brother by redrawing all the elementals carefully

[muted osprey]

booba 😭

[dusty path]

Woman

[dusty path]

Lmao

F

[small timber]

that providence suggestion somehow get through, despite like all the problem the suggestion has (and the issue of the suggestion based on lack of knowledge/player skill rather than a real issue)

[cobalt heath]

bro the hole sugg is just

a skill issue

[calm elm]

Provis been nerfed enough

[cobalt heath]

the guy wants force buffs to compensate for removing functions

[small timber]

tbh the stuff he wants isnt even that unreasonable, I am a believer in proper telegraph making bosses much better, giving holy ray better telegraph and holy blob better visibility isnt even that bad, the problem is just how he word it

he word it like the attack is completely impossible to dodge without additional telegraph

[eternal escarp]

Holy Ray has 2 major telegraphs though

[cobalt heath]

and they worded it so it makes them sound like an idiot

and their bio

[small timber]

I think holy ray I will use same argument as DoG, where it has telegraph but (for DoG) if dog is outside the screen you cant see him turn invisible, this (somewhat) apply to provide (out of screen = basically no telegraph), but ya providence also follow a fix pattern which the suggestion didnt acknowledge

[cobalt heath]

this to me sounds like a guy crying due to boss being too hard

and wanting to nerf it so its easy

[eternal escarp]

but youre not intended to have Providence out of screen
and regardless its also an audio thing, you can also see her move slowly on the minimap and its patternized

its really kindof just a case of

youre fighting the boss wrong

[cobalt heath]

its the same type off sug like my ravager one

[small timber]

maybe, I am just assuming how people might fight it tbh, since after fighting it a lot it is easy to realise staying close to providence is way safer than far away

I just think that (maybe) from new player perspective, who are not extremely familiar with the fight providence is off screen a lot more often (since the out of range burn is pretty far during non-cacoon phase)

[cobalt heath]

provi is meant to be in your face

[eternal escarp]

if they are fighting providence off screen

they learn its the wrong way to play

you shouldnt give them reasons to keep fighting her that way

they should learn themselves to try other tactics and not try fighting it like a broken record

[cobalt heath]

aka lets hope that devs don't do this

[small timber]

^, they will still be punished for being far away (because the ray will be much more easily hit them), but I still think some audio cue will not actively hurt the fight

but ya, providence holy ray has a much weaker argument than DoG, since DoG (turn invisible before laser wall) is off screen a lot more often than providence but providence is on screen most of the time

[eternal escarp]

if you give them a cue while they are far away they would be led to believe its fine to fight her from far away

you basicallu tell them "youre doing fine"

they should not be just told things while doing it wrong

[small timber]

there is no dedicated "right way" to fight a boss, only the intended and non-intended way, with intended/or not making the fight either much easier or harder

[cobalt pewter]

provi still needs a proper telegraph for her proximity limit

[small timber]

there are people who fight exo mechs in a confined space or decided that dropping the entire world is the only strategy

[eternal escarp]

proximity limit is another thing

[cobalt pewter]

imo the lack of that is what kinda lets people do things from afar

[small timber]

ya, non-cocoon phase out-of-range burn is actually really far away to the point you will probably never trigger it

unless you are too far away and providence just started a spear/star phase

[eternal escarp]

also bosses definitely have wrong ways of fighting them, i.e going out of arena in scal

its very clearly, the wrong way

[small timber]

^, it is definitely not the intended way, but it is not definitely "wrong" (just look at the video that just minecart scal)

because it is very hard to define what is "wrong" way

[eternal escarp]

minecart scal is just, a form of cheese

[small timber]

if it is the wrong way the dev can just prevent rodding out of the arena entirely and it will stop everything

[eternal escarp]

which is something else

[small timber]

it can be said there is "correct" and "wrong" way to fight a boss, but I think "intended" and "not intended" is much more fitting (and more applicable), since correct/wrong is much harder to defined than how a boss intended/not intended for a boss to be fought for its design

[eternal escarp]

i mean, even then

i dont think a player should be given A-OK signals for fighting a boss the non intended way

they should be incentivized to do it intended
i.e, fighting Providence upclose to see the major tell for the ray

[small timber]

the thing is also that most providence incentivize to move away from providence, just she always able to catch up

dropping blobs, star (although that is more midrange than offscreen) etc, the holy ray is actually like the only ability that actively punish the player from off screening her (beside out of range burn)

[eternal escarp]

her spinning spear attack and the entire distance limit also exist

[small timber]

because it can also be argued that it is intended to "off screen providence during non-cocoon, close in providence during cocoon", so it is a lot harder to define unless the devs literally hard code it (eg: out of range = instant death)

but ya, regardless I do think the suggestion is more skill issue than an actual issue

it is not like providence holy ray have 0 telegraph, it is just I dont mind it have audio cue too

[eternal escarp]

i domt think providence ever incentivizes being off screen while she just attacks byeah

[calm elm]

nonetheless their suggestion is just a “im bad at this attack so i want it changed” suggestion

[small timber]

(and also the language use is not great, to say the least)

[calm elm]

he might just be bad at providence 🙁

[small timber]

@pure spade what do you mean by hitstop, like the time of the game literally stop?

[warped tide]

Agreed

what the heck

I mean I can see it granting a few immunity frames after a successful hit but

the fuck is a hitstop

[pure spade]

yes, on hitstop the time stops for a splitsecond

yea that would do but I think gameplay wise hitstop would be more fun

[warped tide]

wait so

[small timber]

1. yanmei's knife is a donor weapon
2. time stop is a big deal for a "minor weapon" like this, and time stop in general probably will never be seen in the mod unless a dev weapon (shadowspec tier etc) or something
3. it will probably be very abusable
4. ya probably dont fit the weapon
5. "it will be cool" and "it will be fun" is not a valid reason

[warped tide]

it does the mf

dio this

[small timber]

because you can stick "time stop" to many weapon and say "it will help the weapon perform better"

@plush stag death animation suggestion are currently "not allowed", for the simple reason that they will slowly get added (therefore not much point in suggesting it)

[hollow shell]

Actually they're not allowed because many many people have suggested them

tis in the "Frequently Suggested" portion

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[hollow shell]

@pure spade You're going to need to explain what "hitstop" means in your suggestion

[small timber]

I thought it is both reason

[warped tide]

Its timestop on hit

[small timber]

ya hitstop he mean dio style "za warudo" time stop, on yanmei's knife hit

[eternal escarp]

why would the knife need that?

[warped tide]

Agreed

[eternal escarp]

seems like needless "haha forced lag"

[small timber]

no one knows

and also why yanmei's knife

[warped tide]

Its a cool knife?

[eternal escarp]

its a slow weapon whos main purpose is to inflict a debuff anyways

[warped tide]

It forces the player to get up close, and hit the enemy for a low amount of damage. Though it does debuff them heavily and buff you.

[small timber]

ya if it is completely free (because the player can get away with timestop) the weapon will be disgustingly overpowered

[eternal escarp]

idk if itd be overpowered really just
needless

its practically just autopause but on hit

[warped tide]

Also if you want to feel like DIO or something

Stealth Strike Stellar Knife

[small timber]

and ya, probably also extremely buggy

[warped tide]

Fill your screen with homing knifes

[pure spade]

I dont think so since u dont use yanmeis as much as other weapons. The Hitstop frame would reward getting into risky situations, where you have to get close to apply the de/buff and have a small frame to check your surrounding and get out of it

[eternal escarp]

but why does it
need it

[small timber]

ya why specifically yanmei knife should have a mechanic like this

when basically every true melee weapon in the game is as risky, just yanmei's knife is a debuff weapon rather than direct damage weapon

[eternal escarp]

yanmeis is just neutral damage byeah

[hollow shell]

I can see why that'd feel cool n satisfying
Games like Hollow Knight n Dead Cells have it

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

not really for Dead Cells, kinda?

[hollow shell]

I could go either way with it being on Yanmei's

[pure spade]

yea, thats where I got that from

[eternal escarp]

maybe? but i dont see the point of it being there tbh

[cobalt pewter]

there are definitely instances where shit are slowed down mid combat

[small timber]

well it will be cool, just like, why yanmei

[cobalt pewter]

but not every hit

[eternal escarp]

if its simply for the "cool" value then like

eh

[hollow shell]

Not every hit of course not

in Dead Cells

[pure spade]

In Dead Cells it happens on parries I think

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, I think events are more appropriate than a single support weapon to me

there are no slowdowns on parries

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah this is more a matter of agreement disagreement I think

[eternal escarp]

i feel like its just not going to be useful, especially in terraria
like, yeah you go up close and you slash it, what now? its not like HK where you parry an incoming hit, so you get the "endlag" you just get generally close to a boss and slash them

[hollow shell]

Elaborate on the meaning of hitstop in the sugg and also I'll ask the donor

And if you can, explain why this would fit for Yanmei's Knife specifically

to appease the masses

[eternal escarp]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

a bit specific to have on yanmei indeed, esp without reasoning

[small timber]

dead cell is still a distinctly different game to terraria, dead cell movement is a lot more fast pace than terraria (fly up down left right)

so I feel like it will be cool, just functionally it probably will be very difficult (being technically "slow down the entire game once in a while and multiplayer" and also mechanically on how to use it effectively)

[eternal escarp]

i mean it would still just kinda be the equivalent of

[warped tide]

I think a weapon that could like

[eternal escarp]

force-enabling Autopause

[warped tide]

activate a bullet time of sorts would be cool?

[eternal escarp]

for no apparent reason

[warped tide]

but straight up like

stopping time

allows you to do some

wacky bullshit

as in getting in true melee range of the Exo Mechs

which is literally impossible rn

lol

[hollow shell]

I think that having those kinds of pauses on big combat events would do wonders to make Terraria combat feel more satisfying

Prolly configable like afterimages

[small timber]

I feel like timestop/hitstop is a lot more useful in dead cell because you are allowed to do quick reaction (chain parry) multiple attack, in terraria you can, dash out of the way once because you get "better reaction speed"?

[eternal escarp]

i feel like on 80% of the cases it wont be that much cool

like, im imagining say

EoW

[warped tide]

oh lord

[small timber]

since the mechanic (hitstop) will only fit like critical hit or parry, both of which is not really in terraria

[eternal escarp]

you slash it with said knife from the side
now you have endlag for no reason, nothing interesting happaned

[small timber]

I can see ark line have a slight hitstop after parry, but thats about it

[eternal escarp]

or Ravager standing

oo i slashed him

[warped tide]

I mean there is a

Parry

but on the Arks

[eternal escarp]

the parry doesnt do endlag sort of things

its an instant use

[hollow shell]

Dono is fine with the sugg

[small timber]

at least that part is solved, what about the mechanical part?

[pure spade]

I was thinking about it for Ark parries too

[warped tide]

man i wish more weapons could parry generally

[cobalt pewter]

no

you're meant to use ark parries very often

[hollow shell]

Oh actually yeah it'd be great on ark parries

[warped tide]

Earth’s Tree could benefit from it

[hollow shell]

Even if only for a few frames

[small timber]

I still don't think having it "on hit" is a good idea, unless they give yanmei's knife a cooldown (even if the hitstop have a CD)

[cobalt pewter]

the amount of slowdown could be annoying imo

[hollow shell]

Config

[small timber]

since otherwise you will just be like "some hit have hitstop some hit dont have hitstop"

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-gif-23998985

(why)

(I wish i have nitro to give a more swagger cat boom)

make it config only if it's something that applies globally to at least a whole class

[warped tide]

Oh wait speaking of Earth

is a rework planned for it?

[hollow shell]

Yeah I'm assuming it'll get applied to more weps than just Yanmei's

Arks being one of em

[hollow shell]

Haven't heard anything about that being planned whatsoever

[cobalt pewter]

well in that case I have no comment, but at this point of time the idea of having hitstop must be a commitment

[warped tide]

Oh

ok

[hollow shell]

You can suggest changes to Earth, that dedicatee is long gone

[cobalt pewter]

Earth being swagger could be cool

[warped tide]

I mean I have run into the meteors like

being weird

[cobalt pewter]

keep it a facetank true melee weapon but give a more swagger onhit effects

[warped tide]

it is already a cool sword just its gimmick is

to rain projectiles from the sky on hit

[fossil bronze]

iirc earth is somewhat overpowered
but it's shadowspec so whatever

[warped tide]

that have minimal effects

Its good for Shadowspec Tier

[cobalt pewter]

I think the fact that it's a standard broadsword holds it back a bit, but I'm not gonna go and inconvenience the channel with another broadsword rant

in any case Earth just needs to look more swagger and have better onhit effects

[warped tide]

The main thing with Earth is

its a normal sword that heals you absurd amounts and also causes a flurry of projectiles to rain from the sky

which will split into 3 on hit with the ground

One inflicts… just fire
One inflicts… just frostburn
and one heals

Also it has the thing where it cripples the defense of the enemy

[fossil bronze]

dot debuffs are

booring

[warped tide]

Theres alot

[fossil bronze]

and dum b

[cobalt pewter]

I think it would be funny if it just constantly cripples defense damage of enemies just for the sake of more tanking

[fossil bronze]

would be cool if it slowed/froze enemies or something

[warped tide]

Honestly I think the projectiles coming from the sword’s target instead of the sky when it hits something would probably be better for it

[fossil bronze]

but iirc a bunch of bosses are immune to that

[warped tide]

like allowing it to chain enemys effectively

Funny Idea

Orange projectile inflicts Holy Inferno

[fossil bronze]

the way holy inferno works is that it increases in damage the longer you have it

[proud quest]

yall

murasama idea

[fossil bronze]

could be slightly interesting
give it low initial damage, but you have to hit enemies repeatedly to deal massive dps

[proud quest]

yharon should drop jetstream sam's id

and when you equip it

in vanity

you can use murasama

[eternal escarp]

thats just needlessly annoying

[proud quest]

how

[fossil bronze]

i don't really see how that's better than what we have now

[proud quest]

it would make sense

[warped tide]

Blue Inflicts Crush Depth
which pairs perfectly with the defense drop

and Green does the same shit

[eternal escarp]

make sense isnt a good reason for a suggestion

especially on its own

[proud quest]

thats how it worked in the other game if you can use it by getting his id

[warped tide]

shhhh

[proud quest]

then it works out i guess

[fossil bronze]

the mgr stuff is just haha funny reference
jetstream sam doesn't exist in cal

[warped tide]

its better than “On Fire”

[eternal escarp]

...doesnt the sword simply unlock by a timer in MGRR?

[fossil bronze]

it inflicts holy flames, not on fire

[proud quest]

well you can still unlock it early with his id but i dont know

[eternal escarp]

and regardless, what NSpace said

[fossil bronze]

still boring tho

[proud quest]

i timer?

i feel like murasama should have a hilt in weaponout

[warped tide]

or hell

[proud quest]

:/

[warped tide]

Holy Inferno

[eternal escarp]

you dont need to be forced to use a vanity item simply to use a weapon anyways
the weapon is locked behind Yharon regardless it would have no use

[fossil bronze]

holy inferno might be broken

does it have a damage cap?

[warped tide]

100

[proud quest]

dont spoil im gonna get it soon

[proud quest]

i refunded it earlier because of how shitty the camera controls were

im gonna get it for like 10$ later

[small timber]

I mean why would you come to here to referencing a weapon of a game you havent play yet

[eternal escarp]

well you should prolly know more about the thing you want to suggest regardless

[proud quest]

only thing i knew was that it was locked by his id

[small timber]

just know the locked by ID part is calamity's addition not in the original game

[proud quest]

i thought it was in the main game

it said locked after raiden tried to use it

right

[eternal escarp]

no im pretty sure it is ID locked but he chooses to unlock it via a timer in the game before he dies

[proud quest]

oh

[eternal escarp]

regardless doesnt matter

[small timber]

I think it is just part of calamity making sure it is referenced to sam, as otherwise murasama can be anything (not like a super rare weeb weapon name)

[warped tide]

Basicly:
100 DPS Passive
Depth Crunch increasing that as you strike the enemy
and Yeah… more heals

!wiki Earth

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Earth

[small timber]

ya, the thing is just under calamity context it would never happen, since in calamity there was never "sam"

so the unlock after a timer kinda never happen

[eternal escarp]

yea

[small timber]

which is why calamity adopted the "prove yourself worthy" part, which is kinda in the original game

[eternal escarp]

hell in cal lore iirc its a weapon Draedon made

[fossil bronze]

crush depth is just dot that is affected by defense

[small timber]

oh ya it is made by draedon, it kinda fit though, since yharon is required to fight draedon (auric cooling cell)

so basically prove your worth by beating the dragon

[hollow shell]

@warped tide That's not how #suggestions-posting works

Each message you post will be individually voted on

once they reach #suggestions-voting

You'll confuse people and cripple your own votes by having people split up their votes between which rework ideas they prefer

[warped tide]

The orignal suggestion I had was

too long for discord to handle

tried to effectively split it up using that sorry

[hollow shell]

If your rework ideas are so extensive that they can't fit in one message then that's a bad sign

specificity-wise

[warped tide]

There, not uh

As long

Now Earth chains targets

[dusty stirrup]

I don't think you could constitute homing as chaining

[warped tide]

Its… close at least

[gray nebula]

i don't understand where the chaining bit is supposed to be

thanos talking gif

Rework earth into an equally boring weapon but different debuff and different method of attack but its kinda just the same

Dedicated weapon zz anyways am i right guys

[warped tide]

I mean I dont want to suggest anything outside of your abilities

AAAA

then again

Ark of the Cosmos

[small timber]

I mean reworking earth from a rather boring true melee broadsword to a .... still rather boring true melee broadsword will be counterintuitive

since the alternative is just to left to stay the way it is for now (until a more interesting rework plan come out)

[warped tide]

I mean my other main idea is make it work like a heavy melee from Split

[vernal aurora]

I only know the Earth as that weapon Chippy used on Providence's cocoon to heal

[umbral dew]

i think hitstop would make combat much more satisfying in general

[unique vector]

among us

[hot zephyr]

this is just a SIS disguised as a "rework"

[unique vector]

yea

[warped tide]

Ok ill

be gone with it

[unique vector]

ppl rlly be trying their luck with SIS suggs nowadays

[hot zephyr]

nah I don't think you should delete

you can post about how earth kinda

sucks lol

and that it should be a candidate for a rework

[unique vector]

(you still need dedicatee approval)

[hot zephyr]

(that too)

(is anyone actually able to contact Earth? Do they still exist??)

[unique vector]

they have a discord i think im just not sire what the tag is lol

[eternal escarp]

rover mentioned the dedicatee was long gone so they allowed it

[hot zephyr]

raises a question on what we'll eventually do with dev-tier down the line once we realize that most of the classic dev items are bland and contacting the original devs is impossible

[warped tide]

this

[eternal escarp]

here

[warped tide]

something something Soma Prime

Its just

a stupidly powerful uzi

[hot zephyr]

No it's not

It got reworked

[warped tide]

Wait wait hold on

[hot zephyr]

Don't use Fandom

[warped tide]

!wiki Soma Prime

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Soma_Prime

[hot zephyr]

it's out of date

[warped tide]

oh fuck thats

powerful

[hot zephyr]

it got reworked to be closer to the actual Soma Prime

[eternal escarp]

if anything the most boring ranger dev gear is voiddragon

svantechnical is basic but i find it interesting because it allows the usage of special bullets

[hot zephyr]

voidragon got reworked too

[eternal escarp]

i am unaware then

[unique vector]

we leave them as is

they are still dedicated items

[hot zephyr]

too late

[unique vector]

🖕

[hot zephyr]

soma prime and voidragon got reworked

ozz reworked soma, phupp reworked voidragon

archerfish got added to the voidragon line and the entire line inherited parts of archerfish

[eternal escarp]

oh yeah

[unique vector]

its not in the changelogs actually

[eternal escarp]

i forgot about that

the changelogs only mentioned Megalodon having it but i remembered the plan being that the whole line inherits it

like, Ozz talked about that a while ago

back when drae chat existed

[hot zephyr]

megalodon fires water, same with seadragon

voidragon fires abyssal tentacles

[warped tide]

oh and

missles

[hot zephyr]

too bad the triactis line should inherit pwnagehammer

[unique vector]

we should delete triactis

[eternal escarp]

we should delete among us instead..

[hot zephyr]

I don't think there will ever be a melee rework bigger than Biome Blade/Ark's

[warped tide]

tbf it would be fun if the voiddragon got like
that one dragonfolly drop added to it and it gains the ability to shoot darker looking draconic swarmers

[hot zephyr]

because that literally took a 1.5.x update to release lol

[warped tide]

you know

the dragon

shooting dragons

[hot zephyr]

I think

voidragon is fine as is

it's the Fast Gun line

[warped tide]

aw

but random projectile spam

[hot zephyr]

earth definitely could get something imho

it's just got a long line to sit through

forbidden oathblade and tyrants ultisword 🥺

phaseslayer 🥺🥺🥺

[quiet kernel]

Phaseslayer is a cool weapon, but damage is kinda low and gets outclassed

[hard bronze]

Lol high volt crasher tho

[cobalt heath]

never mind

[pastel wind]

#suggestions-voting message
you arent supposed to go far away from provi anyways 🤨

[hollow shell]

@slender void You need to provide a reason why

The fact that the feature existed in the past is not reason enough to bring it back

[cobalt heath]

(and let me tell you a secret: devs dont do rollbacks)

[warped tide]

Phaseslayer with manual swing

real

[cobalt heath]

for fuck sake

@hollow shell

[crude geode]

if you're expecting completely refined and valid suggs maybe don't look at #suggestions-posting , the place for rough drafts of suggs

[cobalt heath]

my god why dont people use notepad

when making sugs

[ashen warren]

?

[crude geode]

because it's #suggestions-posting where you can post rough drafts for suggestions????? it's the whole reason we have the channel lmao

[cobalt heath]

this is where i cant find the sarcasm

[hollow shell]

Hello you need to format your suggestion properly @ashen warren
It needs to have a separated title line and reasoning paragraph

separated using a line break aka Shift+Enter

[crude geode]

there isn't sarcasm because the whole point of the channel is for WIP suggestions

[ashen warren]

oh ok! ill fix it now sorry

[eternal escarp]

tbh you dont need to ping rover to tell them how suggestions should be formatted

[cobalt heath]

isnt this meant to be the channel for drafts

[eternal escarp]

no, posting is for drafts to be seen

[cobalt heath]

o

[eternal escarp]

this is for discussing the drafts

[cobalt heath]

ok

[crude geode]

maybe back b4 #suggestions-posting existed

[eternal escarp]

some people (like me) post drafts here aswell but thats just out of preference sometimes

[crude geode]

but yeah now that channel exists for the purpose of reviewing suggs

[unique vector]

Among Us

you can post drafts in either channel

ppl just do it here to avoid being scrutinized by rover /s

[crude geode]

do you start 5 paragraph essays with among us as your hook pixl

[ashen warren]

is that better?

[crude geode]

format wise that's much better amber

validity wise I think it's up to rover but the concept sounds fine to me

[ashen warren]

thanks!

[cobalt heath]

yeah now is gud

and its a good idea too

[ashen warren]

yea im having an issue where all my music is WAY quieter than the normal game music, and nobody seems to be having this issue nor is there a way to fix it

[cobalt heath]

i do have that too

thus i hard agree

[ashen warren]

its so annoying

is my suggestion supposed to be like

Suggestion

reason

or

Suggestion
reason

[crude geode]

both are fine

[ashen warren]

oh ok

[hollow shell]

Yeah, both are fine

This seems like a good suggestion

[ashen warren]

thanks!

[crude geode]

@hollow shell specific item suggestion

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren See the Don'ts Doc in pins. Suggs like this are not allowed

[dense ferry]

Wow

[hollow shell]

(also pick a less boring Warframe weapon smh)

(if you're gonna add a glaive at least make it Xoris or Orvius)

[digital saddle]

suggs.png

[golden tulip]

more prov nerfs

[golden tulip]

latest sugg, is this really something calamity should add ?

i agree with it, it sounds cool but

does it really have anything to do with calamity

[eternal escarp]

you can place them on the ground and theres multiple side mods eith featurs like this tbh

[golden tulip]

yea but placing it on the ground has the same problem minecraft disks have

you need to stay within range

which is annoying

byea theres other mods that do this im sure

[warped tide]

generally icuris’s folly and the molten blobs are

not good

for a boss like prov

[unique vector]

what does that even mean

[warped tide]

me or

probably me

Providence is a bullet hell like boss that basically encourages the player to fly around it to avoid its attacks

but it punishes both

flying with the Folly debuff

[unique vector]

bullet hell?

[warped tide]

and Running around is discouraged because of the Molten Blob

[unique vector]

like how

[warped tide]

have you

[unique vector]

she shoots a lot of projectiles?

[warped tide]

seen the cocoon phase

like

at all

wait your a dev

[unique vector]

molten blobs are barely present

you dont run in bullet hells anyway

(not that she really is one)

[fossil finch]

crabulon is a bullet hell boss

[warped tide]

[fossil finch]

anyways blobls would literally do nothing without icarus folly

they're there to deny floor when you need to recharge the most because of the heavy wing time cut, which is what makes them a threat

(this in case you aren't doing a comical arena anyway

[unique vector]

that makes a lot more sense

much more than "shes a bullet hell boss"

which is contradictory to me

[warped tide]

yeah i

was probably conveying my message wrong

neko basicly summarized my thoughts on it

they are way too potent of a threat

[distant gyro]

i dont think you get to a point where icarus folly is threatening enough

[fossil finch]

neither i do

[distant gyro]

unless your style of play is to fly for as long as possible

[fossil finch]

it is very easily to throw what i said away with like

hooking

[distant gyro]

i just dont fly that long tm

[fossil finch]

or just, stay on one place with no blobls

[unique vector]

they arent that potent of a threat

id probably agree with making blobs less pseudo random

that'd make sense

[fossil finch]

in rev at least there is more than enough time to just stay in place until provi comes again and you need to actually fly

[unique vector]

but they should still pose some similar danger to what they do rn

[gray nebula]

https://discord.gg/CKByxd5

@golden hedge

[unique vector]

WOAH! an art server?

[worthy lintel]

tf is that

[golden hedge]

:)

[slender void]

would it be against the suggestions guidelines to ask for a teleport indicator on boc

[ruby plover]

i dont think it would be against anything, so long as you provide really good reasoning, cos it's a boss change suggestion

[slender void]

reasoning: https://youtu.be/4RxgpZp0b74?t=509

killed me before he was visible

[vernal aurora]

Radial projectiles + Really far away = more spread out projectiles = easier dodging 👍

[unique vector]

but you dont make like erratic movements lol

[grim tusk]

Vanilla BoC is bad

[fossil finch]

i'm out

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell someone is trying to be funny

(Also thats impossible isnt it?)

[gray nebula]

wel yeah duh

the game crashed

[grim tusk]

(Outside of log files ofc)

[unique vector]

amongus

[west jackal]

That’s just cause you are nohitting 🤢

Also brain is like 10x better than worm

[slender void]

still

[slender void]

worm is really boring but yeah

[west jackal]

I always choose crimson because I hate worm lmao

[slender void]

I choose crimson because the caves > bottomless pits

[west jackal]

Yeah

[slender void]

also perf >> hive mind

[west jackal]

I like that crimson also has a little arena

[slender void]

yeah

[west jackal]

While corruption you have to use bombs lmao

[fossil bronze]

i always see people annihilate eow

[west jackal]

Yeah

It’s just boring

In cal it’s hell though

[fossil bronze]

i wonder if it'd be better if it kept velocity when it loses a segment

since normal eow iirc you can just hit the head repeatedly and lock it in place

[west jackal]

My problem with cal eow is the fact that it enrages on surface

Because now you are stuck in tiny little holes that are a huge pain to clear out

[slender void]

wait

EOW enrages on the surface

that's awful

[fossil finch]

Eow already enrages on the surface in vanilla

It's an expert change

Ug eow doesn't spit shit every 3 seconds in vanilla expert

[cerulean trench]

shotcut user

👍

[grim tusk]

@stark ledge for you getting +600 hp hits you must be playing very recklessly and have very little defensive accs
For cosmic guardians use piercing stuff and possibly rage or adrenaline
To avoid the head, I recommend good mobility, such as bobbit hook and bounding potion

Also DoG can only be harmed good on Head and Tail

[slender void]

what on earth is shotcut

[fossil bronze]

are cosmic guardians staying through the boss minion pruning?

[grim tusk]

Boss minion pruning already happened

They lived

[fossil bronze]

huh
thought i remembered someone saying they were going to get cut, must've imagined it

[stark ledge]

I have both bobbit hook and a full loadout with warding

i also already know about the way to damage DOG

i just got to 25% hp left then died and i moved around more which seemingly helped

[stark ledge]

yes

[stark ledge]

@grim tusk what accessories would you recommend for the boss fight for melee class? I'll see which of them I have

[lucid marsh]

Hey I had an idea, I think Boomerangs should count as both melee and rouge damage

[stark ledge]

they did

before 1.4 draedon update

[lucid marsh]

No but instead of as separate items, as the same item dealing with damage types

[stark ledge]

hmm

[lucid marsh]

Or benefiting from boosts to both

[stark ledge]

thats not a bad idea actually

[lucid marsh]

Also you're supposed to use the rod of discord

And/or know when DoG is going to charge

By looking on the minimap

[stark ledge]

yea i use normality relocator

i do that too

[lucid marsh]

Yeah then you can dodge, you just have to get better at it

[stark ledge]

he turns around and still hits me anyways

[lucid marsh]

Though I agree it is harder for melee

That doesn't sound right

[stark ledge]

soul edge use to work like a charm against this boss too

i don't fully understand what i'm doing wrong

its a shame that every time I ask for help on a boss everyone always jumps to saying I have a skill issue rather than trying to help me

[lucid marsh]

The boss can't turn around so fast that it's undodgeable

[grim tusk]

Accessories are not everything

Best to move to #help-advice-read-pins

[lucid marsh]

You need to fake out the boss, go one way and the leave open an option to go the other way

So don't run out of wing flight time

And go one way then dash the other way

Additionally, he works like a crawltipede during some phases, faster when you're in the air

[unique vector]

we removed rogue/melee counterparts for a reason

im not sure why you would want them to be dual class

not every class gets everything

[austere cargo]

nah, what we need is dual class weapons for all 10 pairs

[stark ledge]

hmm, I didn't think of it this way

[lucid marsh]

Because they're originally melee weapons

[unique vector]

so suggest to make them melee only?

[lucid marsh]

They fit both classes, so I think they should count as both

[unique vector]

this doesnt really provide reaasoning to why you want it to be dual class

especially since almost nothing else is dual class

[lucid marsh]

Rouge players probably like having them

So instead of it needing to be just one or the other, it could be both

[unique vector]

so who do we satisfy: you or rogue players

[lucid marsh]

Oh yeah it's also weird that the vanilla boomerangs still count as melee

[lucid marsh]

Both!

By making them count as both

On the same item

[unique vector]

but why

[lucid marsh]

Instead of as two different items

Because it's better for everyone

[unique vector]

so why dont we just make every weapon all class dmg?

[unborn siren]

yeah there are very few weapons with 2 classes, I can think of like 2 (Aether's whisper and Prismatic breaker)
but there are a bunch of items that scale with all 5 classes (the classless ones)

[lucid marsh]

Because boomerangs are the only ones that have a conflict like this, of being relevant in some way to two different classes

As in, in vanilla they're melee and the vanilla boomerangs still count as melee, but they also thematically fit rogue and calamity is designed for that

You could also do this for javelins and the thrown spears but those are less important imo

[small timber]

boomerang having something like that is in fact deliberate, because calamity basically make vanilla boomerang melee (because it is vanilla) and the boomerang calamity added rogue

[slender void]

• vampire knives
• shadowflame knife
• flying knife

any other vanilla hardmode thrown weapon

[lucid marsh]

Oh yeah those

[small timber]

abit late but for reference what is your difficulty? expert revengeance or death?

[lucid marsh]

I think they should count as both

[small timber]

I think calamity don't want them to count as both (which is why they were removed from the first place)

[lucid marsh]

I know but then it's weird that melee players can use boomerangs in prehardmode and then not in hardmode and beyond with calamity

Then the knives could be made to count as throwing

[small timber]

the verdict is pretty much just because vanilla says boomerang are melee weapon but never expanded upon it, and the later/late game boomerang calamity added they want it to be rogue class

[lucid marsh]

Or alternatively

All the boomerangs could be melee and all the knives could be rogue

[stark ledge]

expert revengence

[small timber]

the reason is pretty much just because vanilla count is as melee (as throwing is removed from vanilla)

[lucid marsh]

Or the other way around

[lucid marsh]

Even when throwing was in they still counted as melee

[small timber]

DoG turn sharper (and move a lot faster) on blue sky if you are in air (but cannot attack you if you are on ground) so you should be on ground during blue sky phase, purple sky is when DoG is slower but will always attack you regardless if on ground or in air, which is why you want to fly during purple sky to get some space between DoG and you

[lucid marsh]

I think weapons that come back to you like flails and boomerangs should be counted as melee, and weapons that don't (even if you still have them via magic) should count as rogue

[small timber]

which is why they are still melee in calamity

[small timber]

it is just vanilla's categorizing them into melee, and calamity decided to just follow vanilla to avoid confusion, not much can be done

because despite calamity making some drastic change (eg: hardmode ore progression rework), they still don't really want to do massive revamp like these (eg: melee user complaining their boomerang and flails get moved)

[stark ledge]

oh thats what the sky colors mean

[small timber]

and calamity don't like the -same weapon, 2 type of damage- thing which is why they are removed, because it cause a lot of confusion

[stark ledge]

i thought they just changed for aesthetic

[small timber]

ya basically, and just in general DoG turn a lot sharper now, you need to tilt its head a lot more so that it don't chase you after you go the other way

you used to be able to dash the other way even when DoG head is like almost vertical ( | ) now you pretty much have to tilt it a lot more before dashing to make sure he don't just turn around and chase you ( \ )

[lucid marsh]

But then it's just sort of halfway like it is now, where melee has some of the boomerangs, and rogue has the other ones...

[grim tusk]

@lucid marsh read the dont doc

[small timber]

it is kinda because calamity wanted boomerang to be rogue (in fact it fit rogue a lot more), but all vanilla boomerang counted as melee because rogue/throwing dont exist

and ya, switching melee/rogue damage on weapon is in fact disallowed for suggestion (thought it was mentioned)

[fossil finch]

you singlehandedly broke a don't no one has broken in ever

Impressed

[fossil finch]

All disks are rogue

All boomerangs are melee
That's it

(There's a couple rogue boomerangs really but,

[small timber]

2 actually

[grim tusk]

Melee has all hammer boomerangs

[fossil finch]

in any case it's not really much of an issue

[fossil finch]

I mean the "suggs should stand alone" as he said "alternatively" in the second one

[grim tusk]

3:
“Alternatively to ___ ‘s suggestion…”

[fossil finch]

we have a bingo of comical suggs it seems

[small timber]

oh wait, he made a second suggestion, ya didnt see that

[grim tusk]

@stuck carbon no

[muted osprey]

mgrr related sugg numero 38481947919

[small timber]

besides the specific detail, exhumed is reserved for weapon with lore relevance only no?

[fossil finch]

melee weapon exhume (cringe

no

[grim tusk]

(Also Cal’s murasama is already HF, read tooltip)

[fossil finch]

Exhumes are just magic and summon weapons

(The point

And like

[muted osprey]

exhume the sword which magically summons projectiles :clearly

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell we got a lot of suggs to shoot

Get the ❗ gun

[muted osprey]

get the gun ‼️

[dusty stirrup]

Yes

Specifically weapons related to prominent lore characters

[cobalt pewter]

Amidias Trident :trol

[dusty stirrup]

(So that makes like 98% of exhumed weapon suggestions invalid)

[fossil finch]

AMIDIAS TRIDENT EXHUME

[dusty stirrup]

Amidias Trident could unironically get an exhumed version

[fossil finch]

It turns it into the ultimate lifeform

[muted osprey]

YES

[dusty stirrup]

(it was planned)

[muted osprey]

giant fucking trident

[fossil finch]

Big if real

Reverse the amidias trident formula

[small timber]

and I assume "Shattered community" is the only exception? since I heard it was originally planned to be heart of darkness + community (but exhume is cooler)

[fossil finch]

Big ass trident that spawns projectiles without piercing on hit

shat is a dev item

It's obviously gonna be an exception

[muted osprey]

ass trident

[dusty stirrup]

Yeagh

Can't wait for calamity to be out of 1.4 port hell hahas

[small timber]

can only imagine how painful it is (at least something something 1.4 tmodloader is slightly better than 1.3 tmodloader)

@stark ledge sorry for ping again, but it will be very relevant to put your difficulty in your suggestion (that being Revengeance Mode), since otherwise there will be no reference and people will assume you are playing Death or Malice Mode

[stark ledge]

Thx

[lucid marsh]

Oh. I didn't know that rule had been added. Sorry about that

[stable musk]

Sounds like skill issue

[small timber]

@sour shell future content related suggestion (in fact not even in vanilla yet), and also joke suggestion is disallowed
it will entirely depend on whether the dev wanted to add a joke item or not, it will not come through suggestion

I think if there are many people complaining about (Revengeance) DoG being too hard it should be reviewed no?

[cobalt pewter]

@sour shell no.

nononononononono.

[small timber]

Death + I don't really care (because it is meant to be difficult), but it they are complaining (being multiple people) for Revengeance and below it is probably too hard, at least compare to the standard of other Revengeance bosses (which didnt nearly get complained to tone down difficulty as much)

[hollow shell]

@sour shell bdzhgsgsggdsghdfhhhhdhfdhdhfh

that''s how I feel about your post

[unique vector]

i agree

[cobalt pewter]

a well built fart joke can be alright here and there, but when half of your game is shit, just stop

[stable musk]

if you complain about difficulty then just turn off rev

[zenith timber]

or turn off expert. Or you could do both

[dusty stirrup]

What to heck

Why limit them to only being good with victide armor when you could just make the weapons better as a whole

[gray nebula]

xd

[hot zephyr]

considering when you're using victide tools/weapons, you're probably using victide armor uh

i don't get it

[tidal epoch]

I played revengeance in pre-Draedon Up. and I felt Yharon as a normal boss being a summoner, they are being too lazy to see the fact that Revengeance is a Expert+ challenge

[hot zephyr]

it'd be totally okay to say that Victide is a bland armor set with no identity, and is too weak of a set to really justify crafting

ocean crest kinda nukes any reason to craft victide

[tidal epoch]

maybe a little buff?
and maybe add prisms to the recipe?
so you have a reason to use the Ocean crest, and u know getting the bonus of a exploration to get an armor

[hollow shell]

I tried to nerf Ocean Craft like 2 years ago but my edit never got pushed and I never returned to it

[tidal epoch]

The ocean crest is ok, like, it becomes your best friend in exploration and after you get a diferent armor apart in later progresion of the victide

[hot zephyr]

victide is weird

the only time it's useful, well

you've got to go out of your way to craft a set that essentially only benefits you if you're fighting giant clam

either way, you've got ocean crest

[hollow shell]

I basically made it so Ocean Crest increased your breath meter at rate that was a bit lower than the rate being underwater drains it
So your breath was doing this "one step forward two steps back" every frame
essentially just making your breath drain slower

but uh yeah, old branch

[hot zephyr]

sounds kinda cool

[hollow shell]

I had to do that because the stuff that actually does just drain your breath slower in vanilla, like Diving Gear, were hardcoded bools and did not actually have an accessible stackable breath drain variable

At the time at least. Nowadays it'd probably be easy to make breath drain slower in a way that isn't hacky

[hot zephyr]

i honestly think

now that we don't have a precedent needed for expert/rev items

ocean crest could just get removed

[hollow shell]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It could.

You wanna suggest it?

[muted osprey]

remove water exclusive effects in general tbh

[hot zephyr]

there are enough ways to augment underwater exploration, in both vanilla and cal that never actually get used because ocean crest is literally just better than all of them

[hot zephyr]

Not really

at least, not now

maybe when focus changes to non-1.4

[hollow shell]

Yes perhaps

[hot zephyr]

I'd rather make a suggestion to make Victide melee lol

[ashen warren]

I think victors is good

Victide*

The armour good for my time in sunken sea

But first time I got featured!!1!1!1!1!

[ruby plover]

victide is mostly good but there's like 1 or 2 weapons from it's set that are a bit bland, and i might suggest something about that

redtide sword and seashine sword specifically, more so with the latter (i know seashine isn't victide but, eh)

[cobalt pewter]

hardcoded synergies do not really uh

work
in terraria

[ruby plover]

i'll do some dps tests with seashine sword vs. enchanted sword cos they are basically the exact same weapon

[hot zephyr]

the biggest issue with victide is that it's a 5-helmet set

instant Z tier on the armor tier list

[unique vector]

mage should get more sets

[crude geode]

so true

[hot zephyr]

Snow Ruffian
Desert Prowler
Sulph
Mollusk (cringe)
Brimflame
Fathom Swarmer
Umbraphile
Reaver (is not 5 )
Plague Reaper
Plaguebringer
Astral (is one helmet )
Empyrean
Prismatic
Omega Blue
Fearmonger
God Slayer (not 5 )
Silva (not 5 )
Demonshade

Circlet (kinda)
Obsidian (kiiiiinda)
and all the other cal reworked armorr

[unique vector]

isnt demonshade 5

[hot zephyr]

No

[unique vector]

what

?? ? wait

hu

h

[hot zephyr]

one helmet

[unique vector]

oh ur right

oops

[hot zephyr]

three in the future

[unique vector]

yae

[hot zephyr]

it's just that the five-helmet armors are used disproportionately because they're either easier or stronger to get than alternatives

or there not being alternatives

[unique vector]

true

(i hate wizard robe set)

[hot zephyr]

imagine not just using diamond robe

mage issue

[unique vector]

ew

robes cringe!

actually

they may be less cringe now that i dont need magic storage

[hot zephyr]

pixl

planetoids

smelly.

[unique vector]

when do i get diamond planetoids

:///////

[cobalt pewter]

honestly, just make robes not tiered, and give the robe + wizard hat set bonuses different things for cal

the general rarity of gems do not exist anymore in cal, just relative rarity to depth

gem things are tiered in vanilla because diamond is stupid hard to get in comparison to amethyst

and often times their crafts are paired with tiered bars to enforce that

the only thing where this isn't the case is the robes

[hot zephyr]

thorium style

[cobalt pewter]

actually not just robes, hooks too

but the context was armor so lo

actually lemme sugg that

autocorrect abruptly finished me writing "calamity" with "California" instead

death

[cobalt heath]

oh no a another skill issue sug

[carmine gull]

instead of nerfing DoG we should buff everything else

[cobalt heath]

the sugg just seems to be a rant on how bad he sees dog as

and crying cause it was hard

and the guy is imo fighting dog wrong

he is not using correct weapons

[carmine gull]

I mean I do think DoG's difficulty is kinda disproportionate atm

[carmine gull]

wait wym isn't soul edge post-polt?

[cobalt heath]

yeah but it isnt that hard it just can be really unfair

[cobalt heath]

it is but it is ass vs the guardians

[carmine gull]

ic

[grave zinc]

@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Goblin Army, Pirate Invasion and Martian Madness be unable to occur naturally after they've been completed once.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt heath]

just 1

?

[carmine gull]

pml difficulty zig-zag is kinda wack anyway because you have
dragonfolly - fairly easy
providence - decently challenging
sentinels - harder than folly, easier than providence
polterghast - arena boss, completely ambiguous
old duke - decently challenging again
DoG - hyperlight dash.mp4
yharon - harder than providence easier than DoG
exomechs - harder than yharon
scal - harder than yharon

this is ofc from my own experience playing the mod

[cobalt heath]

my ranking off difficulty in post ml is

1. Provi

2. Yharom

3. Exos

4. Scal

5. Dog

[hollow shell]

@cobalt pewter "would help different Gem Robes find their niche use"
What do you mean? If they're identical then none of them have their own usages

Does "equivalent to each other" mean relatively equal power but the stats are all different? Like some have greater damage, some greater attack speed, some greater mana usage efficiency, etc?
Cuz if so that could definitely be clearer from your wording

my lord christ help me, I forgot if attack speed is a stat that armors and accessories could modify outside of melee weapons

[ruby plover]

titan heart armour, reckless/precision gloves

[hollow shell]

Yes true, thank you
(Really am surprised that that was something I wasn't sure about)