heart of the elements just works tbh
#suggestions-discussion
sand ermine
warped tide
last lintel
It'd be neat to have a pre-hardmode option to play with
And I mean, if the guy wants a squad of men vibing around then I mean w/e
I can keyboard I swear
sand ermine
i dont think making a male counterpart to HotE works tbh
i mean
all of the examples just seem like they would be exclusive to attacking
last lintel
Honestly I see Granite Golem as more of a defender/reflector
Maybe that's just me
I'd need to doublecheck the ratio on current HotE to see what the functions should look like but ye
Granite Golem either absorbing or reflecting projectiles maybe
sand ermine
if you were able to combine all of the elements and characters from this male counterpart of HotE and the original HotE tbh it would be unplayable to me
way too much stuff on the screen imo
last lintel
Yeah
That's like, the only issue I see with it is just
Would it be way too many things onscreen at once
And uh
Probably ngl
sand ermine
and HotE is already slightly annoying to me with its visibility
but ive sorta learned to get around it
last lintel
Yeah
Having both on at once might get to be slightly too much
But the idea itself to have a counterpart with a different set of minions is one I can get behind
sand ermine
maybe it could work if HotE got a rework
like the male counterpart would be the mostly attacking and defensive counterpart to the reworked HotE, which would be more defensive/support
last lintel
And/or making you pick one set or the other
Tbh I can see both sets being 4 attackers with 1 support, but just
Making the different sets unique enough in how they function to make it actually require consideration
And/or making the male counterpart be the more defense/support option since HotE as it currently stands is pretty attack-focused and I don't think that needs to be changed
sand ermine
i only use HotE for the extra healing 
last lintel
Understandable
4 of the 5 are attackers though and don't really need a change so I'd see the collective item as more of an offense feature
Thus making the alt one as more of a defensive shot absorber or giving it misc utilities would probably be a better route, at least imo
sand ermine
besides, i find HotE to only be useful at auric tier for the healing, which is why i use it
sleek wadi
A male HotE could also just be earlier in progression. All of the remaining elementals are located around start of HM with 2 in pre-HM so it could be idk post-mechs.
sand ermine
yeah maybe
last lintel
Yeah that's what I was thinking anyways
Having it be a phm option and you get HotE after it
sleek wadi
You got Earth Elemental (only one anyone cares about) and then the floating rocks that are cosmic, granite, and ice elementals. Oh and chaos but who cares about him
So a male HotE would be EE and his pebble pals
sand ermine
so now we have the male variant as a late pre-hardmode/hardmode option and the original HotE as a late-hardmode/post-ml option
last lintel
Yeah
Or something similar idk
Lineup not final, but I can definitely see a Granite Golem and Ice Golem there
sand ermine
now we need a early pre-hardmode HotE
last lintel
I mean I feel like you could get away with making one of the elementals easy to get if not the actual core lmao
Granite Golem projectile deleter buddy idk
gray nebula
THE MOON LORD???
Don't make a male hote tho
hote is cringe we don't need 2
just make hote not just woman aka kill one of the two sand elementals because why are there 2
dapper thicket
Make the water elemental gender fluid
sand ermine
no
hot zephyr
just make hote not just woman aka kill one of the two sand elementals because w...
bye bye offensive sand elemental
sleek wadi
Earth Elemental punches regular sandy out of HotE and takes her place
west jackal
I am personally stealing the code to make earth elemental the only elemental
quick tendon
crude geode
@hollow shell two latest suggs should be exclaimed
hollow shell
@steady cargo Sure I can Warn you for that
@vast summit If you can provide DPS values and (more importantly) boss kill times, and include them with your suggestion, then the testers can work on improving its performance
@quick tendon Your suggestion needs a reason
quick tendon
okey
vast summit
ok
rose latch
isnt the stormfront razor extremely op against worms
vast summit
probably but it is actually awful against plantera
(the time you're supposed to have it)
vast summit
yeah
rose latch
so you can use it on your second mech
rose latch
and its decent against plantera tentacles
vast summit
i looked at the guide and it said pre plantera ok
hollow shell
uh ohhh
vast summit
yeah
crude geode
guide/class setups is outdated almost constantly
hollow shell
It is a shame that it is the most visited of the wiki pages
considering how uhh
non-concrete it is
rose latch
its fine for getting an outline for what weapons exist around that tier
cobalt rose
(there should really be a disclaimer on that page)
hollow shell
There is.
vast summit
oh
hollow shell
cobalt rose
too bad people dont read
vast summit
yeah my friend told me that it shows the best weapons for a specific time
he's a dumbass
hollow shell
too bad people dont read
You included, because you didn't know it existed? 
worthy lintel
if that was true Red Sun wouldn't be suggested for boss rush
also i forgor to do a small notice hold on
cobalt rose
You included, because you didn't know it existed? <:HDFailure:860207009919926302...
i never read that page of the wiki 
worthy lintel
@dusty path nohits are not a valid excuse to back up suggestions
crude geode
I swear he's tried to use that excuse like 3 times
dusty path
Just remembered my playthrough
rose latch
yeah why do so many people mention nohits in suggestions if the mod is moving away from them
worthy lintel
even if the dev team embraced nohitting, balancing around it would be a catastrophe
crude geode
hence why no-hitting is being moved away from
worthy lintel
barely 40 defense and brimflame frenzy ate your hp like tic tacs
but it multiplied your magic dmg by 1.5 with frenze
so huh
death
hollow shell
It shouldn't
worthy lintel
rain?
hollow shell
No reason for it to
dusty path
I forgot that I also included my no-hit attempt 
dusty path
does the destroyer enrage in rain?
The hell, no
vast summit
yeah he just started shooting a bunch of blue projectiles and got a bunch of dr
dusty path
Only daytime
dusty path
Boss enrage by weather... Gives me an idea
rose latch
blue lasers come from getting further into the fight
vast summit
yeah but the problem is he was at 98%
dusty path
But no, the Destroyer only enrages during daytime
rose latch
was it still night
vast summit
yes
rose latch
Boss enrage by weather... Gives me an idea
a bad idea
hollow shell
yeah but the problem is he was at 98%
🤷♀️ No idea then
(I personally am not aware of all the boss enrage mechanics whatsoever. I ain't a tester. It's possible someone does have an answer)
quick tendon
<@550436594373623838> Your suggestion needs a reason
i was reading the rules, i think my idea of the "burden breaker 2.0"
i cant, no?
hollow shell
Also @dusty path does this suggestion address your concerns?
#suggestions-voting message
"new specific items" is a concept that's described more clearly in the Don'ts Doc in pins
quick tendon
"new specific items" is a concept that's described more clearly in the Don'ts Do...
ok thx
hollow shell
You can suggest that an item get added with incredible movement speed, to replace the purpose that Burden had in the past
But you need to provide a reason why it should be added
dusty path
Might I delete my suggestion?
hollow shell
Especially considering Burden has gotten removed from the mod for a reason
Sure you can if you want
quick tendon
But you need to provide a reason why it should be added
ok thx
quick tendon
Especially considering Burden has gotten removed from the mod for a reason
srry, i am new in the server and i don't know why burden breaker was removed, where i can check it?
why was removed
hollow shell
That's alright.
It was removed because it trivialized movement across great distances relatively early into the game.
It was kept around with very difficult unlock conditions (most recently, beating Skeletron Prime in Malice Mode), however we recently made it so no drops are locked behind any difficulty modes, aside from specific cases like for items dedicated to developers
It was always a weird item that was more or less a joke
And we figured it was not worth keeping around as a "normal" item if it wasn't going to be locked behind something difficult
fleet igloo
Is Glorious End something of a replacement for it
hollow shell
It was definitely not intended to be, but you can use it like one if you want
That's kinda the point, Dragoncraft
quick tendon
That's alright.
It was removed because it trivialized movement across great dis...
okey, rlly thx
hollow shell
👍
short warren
oh
hot zephyr
ah burden breaker
in retrospect it feels kinda funny because pylons are essentially just a better burden breaker/teleport network
i think relic of deliverance fills the void of burden breaker 2.0 albeit it needs some more QoL
quick tendon
i think relic of deliverance fills the void of burden breaker 2.0 albeit it need...
yeah, but is not to fast...
small timber
The fastest way to travel is always teleporter (also post 1 mech as burden breaker), and with 1.4 pylon is available pre-HM pretty easily
Burden breaker was pretty much just lazy man teleporter
quick tendon
i am thinking now, and we don't need add another item, just wait to port calamity to 1.4, pylon and problem solved
small timber
Ya basically (and 1.4 port is top priority now, with it being very likely that there will be no update until 1.4 port complete)
quick tendon
Ya basically (and 1.4 port is top priority now, with it being very likely that t...
yeah exactly
well, waiting for 1.4 calamity port for movement
small timber
I mean suggestions (even if devs immediately work on it) is pretty much for next update anyway
hollow shell
Okay
hollow shell
Don't start
ashen warren
whats wrong with astolfo
hollow shell
Stop.
grim tusk
You technically get an easier mode in 1.4
crude geode
Isn't the whole point of fighting adult eidolon wyrm that it's a superboss
grim tusk
Isn't the whole point of fighting adult eidolon wyrm that it's a superboss
Yes, for now
hollow shell
byeah @short warren Considering the current intention of the AEW fight is to be an extra optional challenge, your reason should also include why the intent/role of the fight should change
small timber
I think 1 weapon for each class will be more appropriate, it don't have to be stronger than shadowspec stuff (currently halibut is not exactly stronger either), just having a superboss exclusive reward being only limited to ranger do feel weird
small timber
that unironically will be more fitting, delete halibut and make AEW only reward being a pet or something
hot zephyr
I think killing Necroghast is fun, although maybe polter could get a better enrage/optional phase once it happens
small timber
just make necroghast harder to kill tbh
solo polterghast isnt even that "not threatening", in fact I think killing the clone make the fight way harder
grim tusk
Vivid clarity requires some brain
unborn siren
ok wow I only had 89 characters left after typing that
grim tusk
Its not point and click
Funny how vivid clarity got reworked and then reworked again :lo:
small timber
wait how do you even use vivid clarity other than point and click
gray nebula
vivid clairity already insanely mid looking please don't make it midder by trying to cram fifteen more mid effects into it
unborn siren
Vivid clarity requires some brain
they removed that bit from it's tooltip
it used to have something about high iq making it do better
grim tusk
wait how do you even use vivid clarity other than point and click
Bounce of walls and try to get the target in the explosion
Say try to not get direct hits but very close
small timber
wait it have that function
ya this is definitely giving 0 clue that it have anything close to that, from the tooltip is just look like a point and click weapon
cobalt pewter
I think killing Necroghast is fun, although maybe polter could get a better enra...
def should be "enraged" when the clone is killed
small timber
I think inherently changing a boss to malice AI just because a part is killed will be a bit weird (since this just mean if the boss is already enraged nothing is changed), currently polterghast do become angry if you kill the clone (4 charge, super fast speed and readjustment)
unborn siren
Bounce of walls and try to get the target in the explosion
one test later:
Vivid clarity, even when used properly and reforged to mythical, only had around 30k peak dps, same as VV with no reforge. However, while VC basically gets it's dps halved when Scal starts dashing or moving on her own, VV only lost around a third. But the worst thing with VC is that it requires you to actively devote some of your attention to aiming it... during the Scal fight. Meanwhile, VV has the same dps under worse circumstances, and has braindead homing. Plus, a test I did a while back showed that VV is worse than SV, a weapon that can go through walls and somehow has even more braindead homing than VV. This means that even if you use it optimally, there is still no real reason to use VC instead of pre Exo Mechs options, let alone SV.
tl; dr Vivid clarity bad, plz buff
small timber
and 1 even worse thing is that VV is post-yharon and VC is post-exo (which is same tier as scal)
unborn siren
yeah
small timber
also what is SV
small timber
oh right, ya that weapon is great, discount the part where you can't see scal (and you pretty much only use it against scal or AEW)
unborn siren
the visibility is a suprisingly small problem
and it's not like VC does much better for visibility
small timber
VV is much better visibility-wise, VC is only slightly better, SV is probably worse (in terms of visibility)
unborn siren
another weapon not mentioned here is Helium flash
it has dps comprable to if not slightly better than SV
but it's complete lack of homing and heart dps does make it generally worse
but it is still incredible for a pre both weapon if you have good enough aim
it basically has the same downsides as Vivid clarity but with much better dps
so yeah it's just a better VC tbh
and pre both instead of post Exo Mechs
ruby plover
vivid clarity is really really good for scal, though admittedly only in certain situations. i think what i found is it has vastly-above average dps when scal is in hellblast shooting phase, and while in the bottom half of the arena (since the sky beams cant go through blocks)
it also excels at seekers
keen zealot
yeah it seems the immunity problems really haven't been resolved in most cases
I think having a more thorough look through weapon immunity types should be a goal of the team
distant gyro
it is weird that a point about combining parts of its components is a topic when exo weapons are notorious for doing anything but that (see subsuming vortex, heavenly gale, exoblade, celestus, cosmic immaterializer, magnomaly cannon, supernova) -- and the one that actually follows its components (photoviscerator, exo gladius) are as simple as it gets
muted osprey
still it's a good way to buff a weapon
hollow idol
subsuming vortex explodes into a bunch of circles in different directions (event horizon)
has tentacles (augur)
ball (tears)
close enough
distant gyro
distant gyro
still it's a good way to buff a weapon
just increase its damage???
also isnt the exo/scal/endgame tiers wholly unbalanced
exhibit: no one thinks the exo weapons are worth it
especially refraction rotor
small timber
and also if weapon effect keep adding added it will very quickly become screen clutter
just see (old) drataliournus, my main problem with the weapon is not even it is a nohit exclusive weapon, but that it block off so much of the screen that you get hit because you cant see boss attack
I will argue even ark line gets abit screen clutter at the end, maenwhile a simple weapon like photo is much more functional while remain fitting
small timber
nah not the problem with dps, more with problem that I cant see
it might be a me problem but as soon as too many weapon effect added on the screen that is not part of boss attack my head just think "yo boss attack might be hiding in it be careful" and then have my attention completely diverged or lose track of the attack
I think it depend on how people play, some people have much better capability to the point they can rely on muscle memory, I pretty much rely on pure visual even after fighting a fight many times
and my memorization and reaction speed is not particularly good
frozen hornet
short walrus
just download an old version
foggy valve
swift wharf
I think it's in the github
fossil finch
They're in the github up to 1.2. Idk
fossil finch
after that they're GONE (talk to @hollow idol probably
You need older tmod versions anyway
twin timber
fossil finch
(Which are also on the github
twin timber
good sugg
fossil finch
Why would you play old versions tho
And this yeah
You provide no reason as to why it matters
small timber
ah yes add boss health to configs
config to make bosses have 1 hp or 10billion hp
@acoustic mortar I assume you are saying "Boss Health Bar", in that case it already has configs
acoustic mortar
didnt see that lmfao
small timber
in Calamity Mod (no Calamity Music): Config , first one of UI Changes
digital saddle
The only class that really needs extra defense is melee
In general
It's kinda weird that each class gets a unique amount
As if mage is somehow less in need of defense than ranger
Summoner definitely deserves as much defense as other ranged classes though
Mage theoretically has higher damage than other classes at the cost of survivability and mana dependancy but it turns out being about the same
small timber
I think most of them are fine, the 2 I think need change is ranger and summoner
ranger have no reason to have that much defense and summoner don't deserve the low defense treatment, and I say that as a ranger cuck
rogue and mage is acceptable
mage have the added benefit of (some) starting from post-plant armor generally provide alternative healing so it make sense it don't have high defense
cobalt pewter
I think the funny turret could benefit from being manipulated in proximity to soft limit its power
instead of hard capping the sentry amount to 1
like maybe having multiple of the same sentries nearby weakens them
distant gyro
sentries are goofy
small timber
@ivory whale ideally weapon balance suggestion is attached with actual stats, such as weapon dps and killtime against bosses, also usually buffing weapon is just give it more damage instead of like i-frame stuff, unless it is particularly an issue
distant gyro
I think it could be more convincing
like the weapon is a fast weapon, one of the main attacks should not have the iframe of nearly 2 seconds
small timber
wait let me check ingame
ivory whale
The DPS of other mage weapons in that tier is around 10k against a dummy the Genesis has around 7k which is quite the difference. Next thing is the beam, why is the beam shown always even when it's not dealing any DMG. If it has fixed iframes then the beam should be shown only during the damaging state.
small timber
dummy is generally not recommended as it is just not accurate (it doesn't take account of boss defense, boss movement etc)
but ya I will just fight it with an ontier boss
distant gyro
the current iteration of genisis is that you are supposed to hit with the smaller lasers that you spout out
distant gyro
which is kinda counterintuitive to the point of the Y-beam existing
the pml magic weapon
ivory whale
wait which genesis
Genisis the mage weapon
small timber
oh ok genisis
ivory whale
the current iteration of genisis is that you are supposed to hit with the smalle...
Then the Y-beam is quite useless. All it does is provides light in underground
distant gyro
yeah
I think that should be the main point of your suggestion
the Y-beam is like the weapon's gimmick
it should do more than just tickle the enemy every 2 seconds
ivory whale
I think the beam would do great if it didn't have the iframes
It should work like other beam weapons
Like Fabstaff maybe (can't now remember other fast beam weapons)
small timber
after testing it I think it is way worse than you think
because I am doing 3.5k average DPS against providence
unkempt olive
How does this discussion channel work, can i start a discussion on like my own post :>
small timber
CaveBagel too specific, and suggestion for reference (for the sake of reference) is kinda a don't
ya basically you do it here
ivory whale
because I am doing 3.5k average DPS against providence
Damn, that sucks. The weapon is very cool, they did it kinda dirty tbh
distant gyro
yeah you can't suggest a reference for the sake of wanting a reference of [media] in the game
distant gyro
references will naturally happen if the creator of the item likes something and naturally adapts from it
or mechanic, etc
drowsy plank
it might help to check the pins in this channel before making suggestions
unkempt olive
totally forgot pins were a thing - my bad again
drowsy plank
u seem chiller about it than most people who barge in here with specific item suggestions so dw about it
small timber
I think there is definitely something wrong with genisis, because there is no way it is performnig worse than HM weapon
distant gyro
actually now that I think about it
ivory whale
I think there is definitely something wrong with genisis, because there is no wa...
Just don't tell me there is the same problem with Alpha Ray
distant gyro
I brought this up like a while ago in dev server
small timber
ok on profaned guardian it is basically about as bad
distant gyro
and Ozz said something like "Genisis is planned to get a rework soon so I don't care if it's miserable right now"
drowsy plank
lmao
ivory whale
and Ozz said something like "Genisis is planned to get a rework soon so I don't ...
That's nice to hear
small timber
ok then that makes a lot more sense that genisis is completely unusable
distant gyro
small timber
well at least that solve the problem
small timber
for reference genisis right now is about as good as terraray (yes terra, not elemental), a post-plant weapon
unborn siren
it is weird that a point about combining parts of its components is a topic when...
Vortex:
Tentacles (Augr of the elements)
Explosive projectiles (Event horizon)
Slowly homing balls (Tears of heaven)
Gale:
Barrage of multiple arrows (Alluvion, Clockwork bow, Galeforce)
Tornadoes on hit (Alluvion)
Elemental color scheme for the arrows (Planetary annihilation)
Some arrows split into or spawn more projectiles (Ballista, Astreal defeat)
Custom arrows (Astreal defeat)
Celestus:
more projectiles spawn on hit (Elem disk, Enchanted axe, Molten amputator, Frostcrush valari, Alpha virus)
Magnomally cannon:
Split into projectiles (The pack, Scorched earth, Aether's whisper)
Homing (The pack, Scorched earth)
Supernova:
Explode (All components)
Split into more projectiles (Penumbra, Star of destruction, Sealed singularity, Ballistic poison bomb)
Release projectiles while it travels during stealth strikes (Totality breakers)
so a lot of exo weapons do inherit a lot of effects from their components
Exo Blade only gets a few
as does Clarity, which is (mostly) just elemental ray with less effects
distant gyro
??
Vivid Clarity
- Summons beams from the sky (Asteroid Staff)
-- Said beam from the sky bounces off walls and gain damage per bounce (Shadowbolt Staff)
-- Beams split in contact with nearby enemies (Pre-1.5 Elemental Ray, this is now outdated) - Summons a circle of small homing petals (The Flowers, arguably Phantasmal Fury as well)
- Summons explosive beams (Helium Flash, this is no longer a part of the tree as of 1.5, but it used to include this aspect)
- Summons beam clockwork-style behind the player (Ultra Liquidator)
This features every weapon as of Pre-1.5
1.5 reworks and moves kinda messed it around but it practically incorporated every weapon
it might be pushing it but if Alpha Virus counts for Celestus then I'm not stretching
unborn siren
Fires beams from behind player (like elem ray)
Some beams create explosions (Solar ray)
Some beams split into homing projectiles (Flower/Stardust beam)
Some beams fire from the sky and can bounce (Shadowbolt + Asteroid)
Beams create near enemies from bouncing ray (Night's ray all the way back, which is a component of elem ray)
distant gyro
the design of the weapon predates 1.5
Vivid Clarity's current iteration is made in 1.4.3
distant gyro
it might be pushing it but if Alpha Virus counts for Celestus then I'm not stret...
if not then uhh
unborn siren
even ignoring the design, it takes your concentration from dodging if you want to use it properly, and even then my testing showed that it's dps was comprable to VV, a pre both weapon
distant gyro
I'd like to think DPS is irrelevant to adding more mechanics
unborn siren
except when Scal is moving around when VV did even better
more projectiles hitting the boss = more damage
distant gyro
those are very distinct
what makes Vivid Clarity in need of another mechanic instead of increased base damage
distant gyro
just increase its damage???
small timber
ya literally just more damage
the current weapon already referred to its component enough, it doesn't have to include every single one, if the problem is associated with weapon performance then damage buff is a way more direct approach (than giving it 10 more projectiles of different style)
unborn siren
yeah it just needs to be buffed in some way
also a tooltip change would help players see that it isn't just a point and click weapon
distant gyro
hmm?
unborn siren
it looks very similar to elem ray at first sight, and elem ray is absolutely a point and click weapon
distant gyro
it directly tells you what it does
it also used to say High IQ Required
but it is changed into something more sassy
Its majesty inspires a stroke of unparalleled genius
unborn siren
it says what it does, but not how to most effectively use it
distant gyro
weapons generally do not tell you in their tooltips how they are supposed to be used
I think
except if it's a hard limit like how murasama is only after defeating a certain boss or having a certain name
for example: Clam Crusher
seems like a point and throw
grim tusk
@inner rover please read the suggestions doc to know how to make suggestions and what is allowed and what is not
distant gyro
but the return trip does 4x damage
grim tusk
Your suggestion is a Specific Item Suggestion which is not allowed
distant gyro
does that stop point and throw from being effective? not really
but the return trip is just about as valuable
grim tusk
@zenith hazel we got a bunch of invalid suggs, care to take a look?
cobalt pewter
only one needs action, unless 🗜️ doesn't delete suggs anymore
distant gyro
two
grim tusk
only one needs action, unless 🗜️ doesn't delete suggs anymore
Yea it doesnt anymore
distant gyro
four with broken format
inner rover
digital saddle
I've heard from multiple people that vivid clarity is nutty vs scal
though I never do exos first because I'm not cringe
unborn siren
it used to be really good
now it has similar dps to pre both weapons in the best case scenario even when you devote more of your attention to aiming than to dodging
basically making it a harder to use, later in progression helium flash
it seriously has less best case scenario dps than Subsuming vortex does consistent dps
and only one of those 2 has braindead homing
crude barn
it used to be really good
I believe the problem with vivid clarity is its randomness affecting dps by a lot
yeah sometimes you can get to BH2 before first hellblasts end
but other times it performs subpar
unborn siren
yeah it's better to just have a consistent weapon with good homing to let you focus on dodging
especially if said weapon has consistent dps equal to Clarity's best case scenario dps
(looks as Subsuming vortex)
sleek wadi
We had something similar with DoG in the past where his 2nd phase had what, 300% HP(?) on the healthbar. Got scrapped because it looked jank and made parsing important health thresholds harder.
It looked jank in that all that extra health scrolled off screen so you couldn't see the bar move until like, 60%.
unborn siren
I just got an idea for a suggestion that is either really dumb or really good
what if, instead of just reducing defense damage, Draedon's heart reversed defense damage?
grim tusk
what if, instead of just reducing defense damage, Draedon's heart reversed defen...
No
That would be op as fuck
inland saddle
Yea it doesnt anymore
What
Yes it does
If the suggestions hits the time it should be forwarded and has a 🗜️ it will not be forwarded
Just deleted
It literally can't get forwarded because of the formatting lol
digital saddle
Draedons heart is already kind of bonkers
Just challenging to use
You can facetank a lot of post ml bosses with it
It's a little awkward for scal because vulnerability hex and dots
dusty path
why the hell can wiki bot work in there
Yes
distant gyro
@worthy lintel go kill wiki bot working in suggestions posting out of existence or something
dusty path
Lmao pinging a mod for such a minor thing
unique vector
??
distant gyro
that is how things work, yes
robust lava
Lol sugg bot calling out wiki bot for formatting
distant gyro
battle of the bots
robust lava
Is it gonna trigger wiki bot in voting too or is it already disabled there
dusty path
Maybe
grim tusk
@dusty path wings in general due to vanilla jank cripple sandstorm in a bottle due to they not allowing the spin animation which also makes em slower
dusty path
Ah. Yes
tardy geyser
#suggestions-posting message isnt this a feature in 1.4?
"Desktop 1.4.1: Now causes the screen to fade to black and despawns if all nearby players are dead, or there are no players nearby." yea it is
unique vector
@mortal bolt please do not suggest future content
small timber
@scenic trout the suggestion will be pointless, 1.4 port is happening and likely there will be no update until 1.4, and 1.4 will add WoF despawn
unique vector
we'll be adding whips anyway
gray nebula
Fires beams from behind player (like elem ray)
Some beams create explosions (Sol...
i fucking hate exo weapons having to be just boring spam of all the effects of their components
unique vector
eventually ™️
mortal bolt
ok sry
gray nebula
i don't need you for ideas 
but it was more so a request for the person to stop saying vc should work like its components cuz tats boring as hell
crude geode
we've learned that massive amalgam of effects slapped onto things isn't really intriguing
gray nebula
indubitably
imagine if aotc was just direct translations of all its coponents at once (demon
unique vector
i don't need you for ideas <:retardation:946095177532072026> but it was more so ...
my ideas are always great though :)
crude geode
The Amalgam is really close to that type of cringe but it's at least honest
fossil finch
i can think of some ideas <:XD:936106628833488906>
first of all: KILL stole supernova explosion
austere cargo
Looks like another suggestion to fix the sandstorm/wings interaction. Should that be here or in bug reports
stray quiver
hear me out
stray quiver
a new one of the best endgame magic weapons that is combined with last prism, dark prism, and yharim's prism with shadowspec bars, meld blobs, and miracle matter, called "Calamatic Outburst", shooting a creamy-red beam, first beginning at full power, the beam being three times as wide as any of the other prism weapons, and, over the course of 5 seconds, shrinks to nothing, using your entire mana pool regardless of size
fossil finch
no
stray quiver
other names could be "Prismatic Annihilation" or "Kaleidoscopic Demise"
slate turtle
creamy-red beam
last lintel
That just feels
Very Power-creep heavy imo
And the fact that it deletes your entire mana pool regardless of how much you have after a set duration also just feels really weird-
I can see having it eat a lot of mana and making it into a pseudo burst-fire weapon in doing so but a limited attack that deletes your entire mana bar is just
Maybe that one should go back to the drawing board, no offense
fossil finch
it should also stay there permamently
sis and shadospec weapons aren't allowed anyways
and rancor exists.
slate turtle
Yeah shadowspec weapons have to be requested by a dev
last lintel
Let's not be too mean
But also yeah
Shadowspec weapons are a flat no and iirc they also generally deny item requests anyways :/
fossil finch
sissy.,,..
small timber
specific item suggestion (as in you give name, stat, crafting recipe, everything...) is a don't and disallowed for suggestion
item that use shadowspec as material is also a don't, because shadowspec is reserved for devs/donor weapon only
last lintel
Basically the above yeah
I can see the idea being made workable but I don't think this is where you'd be looking to get something like that made - Maybe trying to take up modmaking yourself instead and having it as an addon or some such?
last lintel
That said, it will probably be a task to learn
If you're the type to pick it up quickly you should be fine, but it's got some learning processes that I'm not personally familiar with myself
My experience in modmaking is more on the Starbound side of things (as it's largely plug-and-play over there, at least for the basics)
stray quiver
yeah I know jackshit about coding and whatnot, would be a good hobby to distract my self with tho
last lintel
mmm
Yeah, it's worth learning even if it's not a directly applicable skill most of the time
It's good practice for if you decide to take it into a further project
hexed ore
grave zincBOT
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ashen warren
can someone actually make a verdict about my suggestion its been over a month #suggestions-voting message
west jackal
It’s no
small timber
can someone actually make a verdict about my suggestion its been over a month ht...
🚫 is basically rejected
ashen warren
cobalt pewter
<@359879246446854147> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Rena...
???? okay thanks
small timber
<@359879246446854147> - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[**Rena...
time to wait for calamity patch 1.6.99 "Stealth Rework" where they actually put it on to-do to rename the 300 different item tooltip
muted osprey
hey just wondering if you got your stealth stinted?
ashen warren
🚫 is basically rejected
no but that wasnt me
small timber
its on march 1st
then I assume it is this one, in that case it is approved
ashen warren
it was?
small timber
there is 1 batch of suggestion that the bot didn't put notification because the bot was down
cobalt heath
didnt that get implimented already
cobalt pewter
why not just raise the droprate
muted osprey
@ashen warren whatever you feel like typing, just don't
firstly you need to read the pins
ashen warren
What pins
muted osprey
the ones in #suggestions-posting
or just scroll all the way to the top in that channel
eternal escarp
basically you cant suggest about something that isnt in the game yet
and youre really specific, which is also a dont
also, why?
ashen warren
Idk I just thought it would be cool
muted osprey
it would be pretty funny ‼️
ashen warren
Also deerclops isnt in modded
eternal escarp
would be cool isnt a great reasoning
regardless the sugg is passing like, 3 different Don'ts
eternal escarp
ye its fine, atleast you know for next time
ashen warren
Yeah
eternal escarp
(also, preferably clean up, a mod will have to delete it regardless)
ashen warren
Ok
eternal escarp
since its a rename, i feel like the little reasoning makes sense, should prolly be fine
cerulean trench
kk
eternal escarp
could mention them both ig so its less confusing
cerulean trench
k edited it
sleek turret
Good suggestion.
gray nebula
Caledfwlch
cobalt pewter
I think instead of going for "it'd make sense", the explicit reasoning could be "it would roll better on the tongue than fuckiing Excalibur Shortsword like what" or something along those lines
the explanation on "Caliburn" as a term is enough to imply that it would make sense
eternal escarp
isnt that the ending of their sugg basically?
cerulean trench
yeah it is
gray nebula
also because its dumb to have direct name references for the short versions
cobalt pewter
22:41 brain
eternal escarp
also because its dumb to have direct name references for the short versions
true!
could add that as a second reason
cobalt pewter
so tr
cerulean trench
yeah
cobalt pewter
what other instance of shortswords get this treatment?
eternal escarp
i tried searching durandal and i find anime girls
wonderful internet
cerulean trench
i tried searching durandal and i find anime girls
wonderful internet
FUCK SHIT
cobalt pewter
Night's Stabber? I find that name kinda ech
cerulean trench
Night's Stabber? I find that name kinda ech
crescent edge
cobalt pewter
i tried searching durandal and i find anime girls
wonderful internet
it do be moment (send me what you got on dms)
cerulean trench
durendal is apparently the same power level as excalibur
sleek turret
ok but you gotta agree Night's Stabber is atleast better than Night's Edge Shortsword
cerulean trench
ok but you gotta agree Night's Stabber is atleast better than Night's Edge Short...
true
same with terra shiv
which let me say
good name
but
earthly dagger
eternal escarp
i like Night's Stabber personally
sleek turret
terra shiv is ok
can't really go with other name really since the line of terra weapons always have "terra" at the start
frail mantle
flameburst shortsword kinda maybe?
eternal escarp
can't really go with other name really since the line of terra weapons always ha...
Cosmic Bolter.....
cerulean trench
can't really go with other name really since the line of terra weapons always ha...
true
frail mantle
doesn't directly reference the name of the normal sword but still has literally "shortsword" in the name
sleek turret
Cosmic Bolter.....
fuck
sleek turret
i forgot about that weapon goddamnt
frail mantle
can't really go with other name really since the line of terra weapons always ha...
WRONG and incorrect........
cerulean trench
i started a discussion were people arent yelling at me for being stupid hell yeah
frail mantle
and cosmic bolter exist
sleek turret
the child
eternal escarp
too late leon
i have already mentioned these BEFORE you.,.
sleek turret
get trolled
eternal escarp
byeah regardless
cobalt pewter
the shivs can go skrrt
sleek turret
eternal escarp
frail mantle
but yes other than those two everything in the terra set has "terra" in the name
cobalt pewter
cosmic bolter is weird
honestly
it's the only terra themed item that has names related to cosmos for whatever fucking reason
eternal escarp
because of Lunarian Bow
frail mantle
does cosmic bolter also have the weird lunarian bow slidy bolt thing
frail mantle
seems so yea
cobalt pewter
yeah I'm not sure if those ever had use
the sliding mechanic
it's not like the projectiles vore the surface they're sliding on and become bigger
they're just slide
and yes
gray nebula
wasnt the sliding mechanic a bug that got kept because back in the day this was what was considered an interesting mechanic
cobalt pewter
ah yes
I think there could be a merit in having this, but first of all there needs to be a reason to attempt sliding them in the first place
eternal escarp
tbh Lunarian Bow line could use becoming.. cooler.,.,
novel belfry
a charging mechanism like the clockwork bow, or probably the pumpler more accurately, since it empowers the fired projectile
hmm
yknow what?
that's gonna be a suggestion
stable musk
@scenic trout suggestion kinda falls under ❗
as next update will be only in 1.4 version. And 1.4 did add that
1.3 version will be no longer supported
unless stated otherwise
proud quest
bring back old phantasmal ruin
idc about dps
it was just really fun
seeing it grind enemies and hearing the tons of hit sounds
cobalt pewter
read pins
proud quest
what do i do
cobalt pewter
no asking for a specific removed thing to come back (and judging by the request, yea)
proud quest
no asking for a specific removed thing to come back (and judging by the request,...
but why
the old one was so much better
proud quest
there's a general reasoning
the google docs?
cobalt pewter
mhm
proud quest
mhm
can you just like
tell me why
if you know
i dont wanna scroll through 30 pages if u know why i cant
cobalt pewter
I won't, then you won't read the pins
refer to those if you want to suggest anything at all
proud quest
I won't, then you won't read the pins
dawg i read the pins
cobalt pewter
just search for "removed content" in the page
proud quest
fine dude
cobalt pewter
or something along those slines
proud quest
annoying ass
proud quest
just search for "removed content" in the page
the stuff referring to nostalgia?
cobalt pewter
pretty sure
proud quest
pretty sure
but does that even refer to weapons
it wasnt nostalgic it was more of like
an its just worse than before moment
fossil finch
it does refer to weapons too
You have to reason your sugg anyways
"It was better" isn't a reason because "better" isn't defined
And, no, "cooler" isn't a definition either
river glen
would a suggestion of giving destroyer resistance to avalanche make sense
cuz this doesnt seem right
i just absolutely shredded it
31 seconds
no hit minimum time of destroyer is 65 seconds this hits half of that and i also hit 66k dps for some reason
ruby plover
Yes it definitely should be nerfed but I’m not sure you’ll get enough votes
Pretty sure people like when things are broken lol
distant gyro
yes
river glen
Pretty sure people like when things are broken lol
lol
i see
well ive seen stuff not get 200 votes
yet still be put in
hard bronze
What if there was a right click feature with the murasama that acts sort of like parrying except it only works for contact damage instead of projectiles
And it only reduces contact damage by 25%
And it has a charging thing too
This way it could feel like the actual metal gear rr
Murasama
And also like left clicking givesu sort of a dash like the bipme blade crimson attunement
slate turtle
idk
hot zephyr
where would you even use a contact damage only parry?
it's post-yharon
parrying scal charges??? ig???
slate turtle
Yeah that would be very hard to utilize
Contact damage isn't that much of an issue after pre-hardmode
It's mostly projectiles
hot zephyr
it'd also make the ark and biome blade lines less unique
the parry-charge mechanic is something that's kinda iconic for ark
slate turtle
Yeah, I'm all for making more melee weapons actually melee(Murasama is already true melee though) but just copy-pasting mechanics is going to get old fast
hard bronze
True
Thabk you guys for the insight
Thank
This idea might be scuffed but what if there was a thing where if you use rage or adrenaline wirh murasama it can slow down time and allow u to get some hits in with it
Just like in the actual game
Idk tho as u guys said chsnges aren't rly necessary
This is just me brainstorming ig
digital saddle
Destroyer already has a 50% resist to avalanche
I think it's fine to have funni melt weapon here or there
HVC is a lot more ridiculous in any case
I'm really not a fan of resists though
There are cases like nadir vs scal where yes a resist is needed
I'm not a super big fan of giving resists to on-tier weapons though if it can be avoided
Destroyer got a spear of paleo resist for a long time that just made the weapon mediocre against it, which just made it useless because the weapon is a worm killer
ruby plover
This idea might be scuffed but what if there was a thing where if you use rage o...
that would probably be a bit broken lol
and likely hard to implement methinks...?
digital saddle
Tbf I cannot imagine a scenario avalanche would be viable outside worm killing
river glen
Destroyer already has a 50% resist to avalanche
no.... than make it more
cuz i dont see how shredding a boss in half the designed itme
is ok
fossil finch
i mean like
river glen
why balance the game when u can just use a weaker weapon
fossil finch
not every weapon needs to be excel table absolutely balanced
river glen
i mean i never said
gut the avalanche
i just said give the boss some more resistance
cerulean trench
anything that makes me deserving of a twitlonger here
fossil finch
no, devs didn't forget to change anything, and there is already plans to make burning sky not literally a staff with a hitbox
cerulean trench
no, devs didn't forget to change anything, and there is already plans to make bu...
oh alright
vague ingot
Are there any plans to bring the heart of elements into endgame? I thought it would be really cool to have an item that fuzes all the elementals together into an omni elemental.
fossil finch
no
vague ingot
ok
hard bronze
why balance the game when u can just use a weaker weapon
Galaxy brain
gray nebula
Auric Tesla Armor's main set gimmick being that it just lazily stacks all of the effects from its component armor sets is kinda mid as fuck ngl
Ultimate armor set but when you get it you quite litterlaly get nothing new
slate turtle
There's a lot of items in calamity that just stack effects aren't there
muted osprey
(please tell me you guys are gonna rework auric tesla)
slate turtle
But yeah I assume auric tesla rework is something being considered
At some point, perhaps
unique vector
iban found a new ironic emote to use
crude geode
so true
unique vector
also im pretty sure they were just bolding item names for clarity
auric tesla should be
cooler
for being an end game armor
glossy reef
but it was like
crude geode
if you compare it to vanilla terraria's final armor sets it's pretty lame
unique vector
so true
glossy reef
"hey remember all those cool armor gimmicks that you could barely use because the stats got outdated too quickly? well now get to combine them all into one mega armor"
unique vector
even vanilla does better in that regard
crude geode
meanwhile with AT you have extremely generic set bonuses stacked together with 5 class helmets that vaguely change them at all
slate turtle
Vanilla endgame sets are really cool ye
unique vector
see but like 90% of the armors either had stats you'd barely notice if you werent a meta addict or unappealing visuals
sooooo
glossy reef
concept
crude geode
also if you compare it to other mods it gets blown out of the water by thorium
glossy reef
give each at armor set a unique set bonus, AND
let you have any one component set's bonus active at the same time
so you'd get the at bonus and then alongside it you'd have like
godslayer tarragon or bloodflare
or something
i like the concept of being able to draw back on old armor set abilities
because it's not like using fuckin tarragon for scal is viable
unique vector
Among Us
crude geode
I'd rather that. post-ml armor sets not be extremely mid outside of god slayer or silva because those two are...decent (for multi-class armor sets)
unique vector
they sorta cool
glossy reef
what do you mean by "i'd rather that."
crude geode
they sorta cool
the bonuses for silva/godslayer are pretty cool I just dislike multi-class armor sets since it takes away focus from the class, but it's kinda necessary post ml
ruby plover
a lot of the set bonuses from previous armour sets basically add nothing to AT
example: the leaf blast from mage. it just makes your attacks look messy
glossy reef
bundle bloodflare and tarragon?
crude geode
100% yeah
glossy reef
truuuue
fossil finch
make more class specialized armors
this is literally a redemption arc
gray nebula
iban found a new ironic emote to use
its not ironic its cute
Also yes we can just bang bang (gahhppp) (loud thud on the floor) (fortnite default dance music) the multiclass armor sets
those are poopoo
keen zealot
hell you could compare auric tesla armour to gemtech and it looks lame by comparison
the only other mod I can think of that combines armour sets in a similar way to this was the avalon mod
and the avalon mod is ancient
gray nebula
CalamityReferencingAvalonMoment™️
keen zealot
true
muted osprey
OMG!! is that a MOTHERFUCKING Avalon reference??????
keen zealot
(it is)
as for what to actually do with AT's set bonuses...
do we actually even want multiclass sets?
sleek wadi
Murdering Auric Tesla's setbonus will also allow calamity to just have an armor set bonus button instead of one dedicated solely to GSD
keen zealot
true
can't decide whether a universal single set bonus or a per-class set bonus set would be better
for the latter I just thought of a summoner set bonus using the aforementioned hotkey as a sort of secondary weapon
a 'grand tesla pack' strapped to your back if you may
gray nebula
AT would remain an all class armor of course but idk
i mean it could still creatively combine the effects of its components somewhat
not just enable the same ones all at once
kinda how like true biome blade mixes components of its ingredients in a new way ok some of them are kinda lazy remixes but some others are more thoughtful
keen zealot
hm
hard bronze
Like for auric tesla like a gid slayer aura effect that when used it can like create a god killing Shockwave or something? Like what I'm trying to say is ar eu guys gonna make it sort of like a stacking armor bonus but like make it something else sort of
keen zealot
the problem with making a unified set bonus like that for AT now is that the recipe changes between classes
this would have been easier to conceptualize before the split
I also had the idea of a tesla dash for all classes akin to the godslayer dash
it travels over a lesser distance faster, invulnerable for the duration of the dash, and has a massive hitbox
small timber
what effect will even be useful at that stage? other than spawn (additional) projectile to help with damage
keen zealot
probably a little longer cooldown
small timber
since it currently also do spawn healing projectile on hit
unless you put extremely overpowered effect, like COBG's halfed contact damage on melee set, something like those (and that will not even be that useful)
keen zealot
the thing is though, I don't want to include the godslayer or silva concepts in the unified AT set bonus, since they're mutually exclusive depending on class
cobalt pewter
**Auric Tesla Armor**'s main **set gimmick** being that it just **lazily stacks*...
ah yes, the gold plated shit
keen zealot
the other component sets are also too different from eachother by class to really unify into one idea
cobalt pewter
i mean it could still creatively combine the effects of its components somewhat
I remembered talking about this to someone else, basically a part of it is combining all the summon gimmicks from previous armors (tarra, bloodflare and silva) into a unique set of minions that still reference them in some way but looks way more dapper
gray nebula
this would have been easier to conceptualize before the split
just wait till we split everytinhg even more
mnscomfy emoji
keen zealot
how much more?
unique vector
iban goes insane trying too rework the 5th thing in a row
worthy lintel
@gray python thats a SIS right there
gray python
<@487805692275720192> thats a SIS right there
what?
small timber
and also a suggestion to specifically to make a subclass only run viable (eg: add weapon at this specific tier) is diasllowed
gray python
and also a suggestion to specifically to make a subclass only run viable (eg: ad...
person who told me to suggest it didnt tell me that.
grim tusk
just use The Pack smh
crude barn
or Scorpio
gray python
again, suggested it because someone else told me to
crude barn
(I tried it and it kinda fucking sucks which is a shame lol)
small timber
person who told me to suggest it didnt tell me that.
reading the pinned document will very often be more accurate than someone telling you
gray python
already read that, didnt remember any of that because im not here often.
crude barn
*again, suggested it because someone else told me to*
why not just tell em to suggest it by themselves not that hard
gray python
why not just tell em to suggest it by themselves not that hard
cuz i wanted to be nice and just do it for them?
crude barn
in that case you should've read the doc
gray python
i did, i forgot about any of that.
and if you cant suggest items than whats really the point of suggesting anything?
cuz i dont think bosses are allowed either.
small timber
any suggestion other than just add a specific new item? because most of them will be allowd
boss obviously can't too
gray python
and those are calamitys primary content.
crude barn
suggesting anything that doesn't have to do with creating a specific item/boss/whatever
gray python
so only balance than.
small timber
and those are calamitys primary content.
those also take 10x the amount of effort to implement unless you want calamity to become a 100 boss bossrush
gray python
those also take 10x the amount of effort to implement unless you want calamity t...
tbh that sounds fun
small timber
everything you see in #suggestions-voting is allowed
gray python
and is already how i play calamity
small timber
then just wait for developers to add bosses, because they will
crude barn
"Add a new boss that does this this and this because I think it would be cool and funny reference lol!!!" devs really don't want these kinda suggestions and I think it's pretty obvious why
small timber
just not through someone suggesting it, they will add bosses themselves
vernal aurora
just use The Pack smh
The Pack is post-DoG
gray python
just not through someone suggesting it, they will add bosses themselves
the bosses are already planned.
small timber
the bosses are already planned.
yes, which is why bosses will never be added through suggestion
gray python
bosses and items are the primary content of... terraria itself.
crude barn
*The Pack is post-DoG*
(wasn't the suggested item also post DoG what's the point)
small timber
and developers are already adding it, just not through someone suggesting it
gray python
(wasn't the suggested item also post DoG what's the point)
post ceaseless void.
small timber
I don't really see your point here
crude barn
oh also they're not just gonna add an item for free, donor items exist for a reason
small timber
the only difference is whether they add 100 bosses come from random community idea or they add 1/2 bosses once in a while that is carefully planned and designed
gray python
I don't really see your point here
it seems like the only thing you can suggest is balance changes.
crude barn
gotta fund fabsol's profile picture commissions if you want an item in the mod
unique vector
you can suggest vague concepts like "oh i want X weapon to have an upgrade"
small timber
it seems like the only thing you can suggest is balance changes.
go to #suggestions-voting to see, all of those suggestion are allowed, the only thing you are not allowed to suggest is adding SPECIFIC item and bosses
unique vector
but you cant dictate 50 different stats or effects for it
additionally it will take aa lot of valid reasoning for a new item
crude barn
it seems like the only thing you can suggest is balance changes.
everything other than a specific creation of a thing
unique vector
because normally you'd haave to heavily consider reasons other than "bc itd be cool"
gray python
but you cant dictate 50 different stats or effects for it
well i just said "pre dog rocket launcher with cool projectile and explosion" since someone thought my rough concept should be suggested.
unique vector
because normally you'd haave to heavily consider reasons other than "bc itd be c...
^
small timber
your suggestion is related to this
unique vector
suggesting new subclass weapons is normally disallowed because everyone's reasoning defaults to "making this subclass more viable"
which we do not like promoting
gray python
suggesting new subclass weapons is normally disallowed because everyone's reason...
well, why even have the subclass if its not viable then?
unique vector
people construct their own ideas of a subclass
we dont actively support the idea of them
small timber
the actual only class is: melee, ranged, mage, summoner, rogue
unique vector
the only exception rn is whips but thats because vanilla made them so heavily integrated into summoner
small timber
subclass as pinckle say, is community defined
crude barn
they are different types of weapons, using exclusively that type is not something that the game should be balanced around
unique vector
wwhat xpc said
small timber
as there are way more than enough ranged weapon to be viable for DoG, specifically adding a rocket launcher is not needed
crude barn
there doesn't have to be a yoyo at every point in progression simply to make yoyos only easier
gray python
they are different types of weapons, using exclusively that type is not somethin...
i mean the way id design a mod is every "type" of weapon has an entire progression tree that can be used all the way till the end of the game but thats just me.
unique vector
well thats not what calamity likes to promote
because then ppl overobssess on the faact that their favorite weapon type needs to be viable throughout the entire game
crude barn
i mean the way id design a mod is every "type" of weapon has an entire progressi...
I think what'll end up happening with that is there won't be much variety inside of the weapon types
unique vector
boom, 3x more weapons and weapon bloat
boom, 3x more the work to try and balance everything
vernal aurora
subclass as pinckle say, is community defined
I mean theres also the shroomite helmets
crude barn
you use this then this then this, not really what calamity wants
unique vector
3x more work to sprite and program all of these weapons just bc someone wanted to use a yoyo or spear or rocket launcher subclass until scal
crude barn
there's zillions of weapons to choose from for a reason
unique vector
do you see the problem now
small timber
*I mean theres also the shroomite helmets*
ranged is a bit different because it directly used different ammo so it is much more defined, other class generally can be abit weird
unique vector
its a neat concept on paper but calamity is far too large to support such an idea
small timber
like will you call "book/spell tome" type mage weapon and "staff" type mage weapon a different subclass
gray python
do you see the problem now
i mean i guess, i still think everyone would appreciate fully realized subclasses but until 1.4 tmodloader cant handle that size.
crude barn
magic guns!!!
gray python
mage has no subclasses which is why its superior
tombs are a subclass.
vernal aurora
like will you call "book/spell tome" type mage weapon and "staff" type mage weap...
mage is mage
unique vector
tomes are a weapon type
crude barn
devs please make prism subclass viable!!!
vernal aurora
mage does whatever mage wants
gray python
tomes are a weapon type
whats the difference?
crude barn
devs please make prism subclass viable!!!
I want a pre hm prism weapon!!!
small timber
i mean i guess, i still think everyone would appreciate fully realized subclasse...
the problem is if these type of suggestion is to be allowed, then 99% of suggestion will be about adding random weapons into the game and making calamity have 10x more weapon than it ever needed
gray python
arnt yoyos a melee subclass?
unique vector
half of mage weapons are tomes and have very distinct behaviors
most yoyos, spears, rocket laucnhers, etc act the same
gray python
the problem is if these type of suggestion is to be allowed, then 99% of suggest...
well ya dont have to ADD them all
unique vector
(not that i like the faact that most weapons are either "tome" or "stave" but)
gray python
when i make a suggestion i fully expect to be told no because no suggestion iv ever made for anything has ever been accepted.
crude barn
(not that i like the faact that most weapons are either "tome" or "stave" but)
don't forget "fish"
vernal aurora
most yoyos, spears, rocket laucnhers, etc act the same
minus oddballs like the electrosphere
small timber
well ya dont have to ADD them all
suggestion system function on a pole/voting system, basically if everyone is suggesting to add new weapon then any other form of suggestion will have 0% chance to get through, and as you said, the devs don't have to add ALL of them, which end up having the suggestion system basically useless
unique vector
make better suggestions then /s
gray python
don't forget "fish"
why are fish a subclass.
unique vector
or, genuinely, follow the rules for suggestions
gray python
make better suggestions then /s
i have an entire trello of fighting game movesets that wernt added to said game becauses the games balance was abysmal
crude barn
why are fish a subclass.
because there's a handful of weapons that are fish
same reason why tomes and staves are a subclass
fish subclass should be viable throughout the game
iirc
gray python
fish subclass should be viable throughout the game
i mean tbh, a fishing class could be cool.
worthy lintel
(putting your text in bold doesn't make it more important...
gray python
(putting your text in bold doesn't make it more important...
im fully aware...
unique vector
among us
gray python
**among us**
equips glock with malicious intent
vernal aurora
i mean tbh, a fishing class could be cool.
that can be its own mod
worthy lintel
if only i could go back in time and delete fishing
gray python
that can be its own mod
I wish I could mod, had a class idea for a while now.
fossil finch
When the creature was milking my trashcan but then i remembered i don't have a creature
vernal aurora
if only i could go back in time and delete fishing
*make it not required for potions
crude barn
because there's a handful of weapons that are fish
same reason why tomes and sta...
ok when I made this I thought toxicarp was a magic weapon but it's actually ranged which means fish subclass is sort of an actual thing
worthy lintel
that would be a great start ngl
unique vector
make fishing stardew valley fishing
instantly will become my most favorite part of terraria
crude barn
*make it not required for potions
yes
fossil finch
TRUE
crude barn
make fishing stardew valley fishing
YES
crude barn
THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
unique vector
Ubisoft does
gray python
Devourer class, uses a specific weapon type that apon killing enemys has you consume their essence DoG style and eventually gain their powers on a big hollow knight charm style selection.
kinda like fargos souls...
unique vector
crude barn
make every fish 100 dart behavior and boom no one wants to fish anymore
problem solved
vernal aurora
make fishing stardew valley fishing
YES
muted osprey
FORCE the rat bastard child to actually sell stuff after completing a certain number of fishing quests completed
gray python
...i need to properly develop the trello for that class idea, i never did start planning it out.
crude barn
new lore rewrite: the angler was eaten by a trasher and no longer exists
all fishing related things have been removed from the game
we can rejoice
gray python
new lore rewrite: the angler was eaten by a trasher and no longer exists
OH, IT WOULD BE GLORIOUS, you just kill trashers for fishing items now
crude barn
not a bad idea
gray python
INSTEAD OF HORRIBLE RNG
gray python
yeah, thank goodness
vernal aurora
all fishing related things have been removed from the game
Just add the Hemogoblin, Blood eel, Dreadnautilis, Wandering eye fish, and zombie merman to Blood moons during the rain
crude barn
make every fish 100 dart behavior and boom no one wants to fish anymore
seriously scorpion carp keep kicking my ass and they're only 90 dart like bruv why
gray python
Just add the Hemogoblin, Blood eel, Dreadnautilis, Wandering eye fish, and zombi...
we'll get them in the 1.4 update.
crude barn
my fishing skill is already 10
gray python
have patience.
gray python
seriously scorpion carp keep kicking my ass and they're only 90 dart like bruv w...
what the hell did you even just say?
crude barn
what the hell did you even just say?
stardew valley fishing stuff
gray python
oh.
i wish i could get into stardew, i play it for a while but then i just lose interest and dont play for like a year and then i come back but i have no idea what i was doing so i dont continue.
crude barn
give it more time
gray python
i gave a file multiple ingame years
crude barn
oh lmao
gray python
it still happened
fleet igloo
I'd be down for a fishing rework to make it actually fun
gray python
I'd be down for a fishing rework to make it actually fun
fishing class. FISHING CLASS-
crude barn
a fishing rework is probably out of the limits for terraria mods tho
changing the core way fishing works to be like the stardew bar is definitely far fetched
vernal aurora
changing the core way fishing works to be like the stardew bar is definitely far...
probably completely impossible
gray python
2 things id do if i could mod.
devourer class and fishing class and maybe a lil crossover material
crude barn
probably completely impossible
yeah
gray python
changing the core way fishing works to be like the stardew bar is definitely far...
you can do some crazy stuff in 1.4... you seen starlight river?
crude barn
I'm not a modder but changing the base mechanics of the game probably can't be done
crude barn
you can do some crazy stuff in 1.4... you seen starlight river?
I've seen it
it's amazing for sure
gray python
I'm not a modder but changing the base mechanics of the game probably can't be d...
its less cant be done and more im pretty sure we just dont have direct access to terrarias source code and therefor cant accurately mess with it.
dont quote me on that.