suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

(actually how would flat stealth cut even work in that case)

[distant gyro]

awesome

[cobalt pewter]

(will they just

don't?)

[distant gyro]

gives infinite stealth strikes

[cobalt pewter]

moment

[distant gyro]

but there is no damage benefit

[cobalt pewter]

still buggy but at least not abusable to the point that YouTubers think it's a legit strat

🚎

[small timber]

just make base stealth a massive number like 500 and make accessory give like 10 problem solved tester hell

[cobalt pewter]

more stealth formula shenanigans

[distant gyro]

idk

10 is probably a fine number

[half sage]

testers are our Sisyphus and we must supply them with boulders

[distant gyro]

then subtract 10 from all armor

[cobalt pewter]

10 outta 500?

[distant gyro]

no like

base stealth

[cobalt pewter]

but yea

I see your point I think

[distant gyro]

actually

just have stealth tied to the weapon

remove invisibility from armor

and stop calling it stealth

[small timber]

ya that is one way to do it

[distant gyro]

:simpol

[cobalt pewter]

that would be the best solution methinks

[small timber]

though any rogue weapon switch will be completely unviable weapon switch in the first place

[cobalt pewter]

i've directly said this to Fab, but I don't think it goes anywhere

I should probably make a proper suggestion?

[small timber]

I think a suggestion to rename stealth went into dev, but at this point stealth is too recognized as the rogue's stealth strike that renaming it cause more confusion than clarification it brings

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I did do this

[small timber]

wait I misremembered it never went into dev

[cobalt pewter]

trol

I should probably make a sugg then

probably focusing on reshaping """stealth""" as a mechanic to be themed towards opportunity, precision or focus rather than strictly stealth

[small timber]

tbh the renaming should probably be tied to some sort of stealth rework the incoming stealth rework in 2025 after 1.4 port , otherwise a sudden name change maybe confusing

[cobalt pewter]

it already got a major backend rework

but the topic resurfaced recently after a related discussion about making stealth part of the weapon instead of armor

[warped tide]

I could see this working if the stealth meter filled slower than average

honestly

Stealth is generally very powerful but if the other classes get they’re gimmicks, I dont see why the main All Class armors cant get them either

That and one day the system is going to get reworked

So maybe setting up the steps could help :)

The again, theres nothing “Stealthy” About a hooded squid monster, walking astral meteorite, and what is basicly Supreme Calamatis Armor, Minus the fact it uses Shadowspec and not Ashes of Anni themself

[eternal escarp]

i mean

[small timber]

no the suggestion simply mean classless armor also give stealth, stealth is only usable on rogue weapon so other classes simply have stealth but cant use them

[eternal escarp]

i dont think stealth procs on any other weapon so

that shouldnt be an issue

(could be wrong i dont play stealth)

[cobalt pewter]

I don't think any wacky dono weapon uses stealth on non rogue weapons

so no

[eternal escarp]

yeah

so their sugg really shouldnt have too much of issue balancing with any other weapon that isnt rogue

[small timber]

I mean what armor will even be problematic if it give stealth

[warped tide]

Yeah it doesnt really

[small timber]

only thing in my mind is reaver (probably not a problem) and omega blue

[warped tide]

OmG cOpPeR

[eternal escarp]

none practically

the only one i could see being funny might be Omega Blue with the setbonus

but other then that, the rest should be fairly easy to get rightly balanced

[warped tide]

Scarlet Devil Omega Blue

[small timber]

I dont think omega blue will be significantly problem either, since armor pen scale way better with multihit (stealth strike is big hit)

[warped tide]

Remove enemy hp

give it to yourself

[eternal escarp]

but even then it shouldnt be as big of a problem

[warped tide]

Yeah

and it works pretty well on Gem Tech

since your ment to juggle 5/6 weapons with it

[eternal escarp]

well gemtech is something else to what the sugg is talking about

[warped tide]

Yeah true

[eternal escarp]

gemtech focuses on fully combining classes afaik, while multiclass is just a one size fits all most

[frail mantle]

i think removing stealth has been brought up before and was decided against because it'd confuse too many people

can't quite remember

[warped tide]

Reaver is ment to be Utility armor, Demonshade is “ggwp”, Omega is the final teir water armor, and Astral is final tier Mining???

[small timber]

this

probably

I think this was the convo

[sleek wadi]

I'm questioning how you take 5-7 minutes on eye with other classes

[eternal escarp]

your stats and killtimes truly make no sense

[grim tusk]

No armor, no buffs, missing nearly every shot

[small timber]

On a snowball cannon the kill time is like 1 min so ya 5-7 is like way off

Unless it is copper shortsword run

[fossil bronze]

starfury isn't true melee anyway iirc?

unless calamity changed it

[sleek wadi]

True melee also deserves its bonkers damage, its pitifully short range and high risk means you aren't getting that massive damage all the time

They get to have like 4x the DPS of everyone else because they only can deal damage a 1/4th of the time

[small timber]

Is enchanted sword and starfury megabuffed? Despite them being basically range

[sleek wadi]

Hell before 1.5 all but like 5 pre-HM true melee weapons were unusable garbage

[small timber]

I heard about enchanted sword but I thought starfury is just starfury

[fossil bronze]

starfury's only change is making the stars go through tiles and have a limited lifespan according to the wiki

no damage changes

[unborn siren]

even some of the lowest damage options for EoC, like summoner with Frost blossom + Sun spirit, still have kill times of like 2 mins max with any amount of summoner equipment

[digital saddle]

Enchanted sword gets quite bonkers DPS if you're mixing in true melee strikes

[warped tide]

Doesnt the sword not have an increased size though?

[ruby plover]

nah, enchanted sword is WAY bigger now

pretty sure it's projectile moves faster as well

[digital saddle]

enchanted sword is pretty much the best melee weapon until perfs

imo

[warped tide]

I would decrease its size

just generally

its the first projectile sword ignoring the ice blade

[small timber]

is the bot like actually downed? since all (but 1) of the suggestions had already have reaction

[unique vector]

@inland saddle

[inland saddle]

What’s the issue?

No updates here?

[small timber]

ya didnt update

this batch already get reaction, just the bot didnt update (I wasnt sure since it maybe still tied vote on devs but now it probably isnt updating)

[keen zealot]

they have the appropriate reactions

I think you just need to reload my guy

[small timber]

sorry I probably should be more specific, reaction is added in voting, but it is not updated in discussion

since usually it will be notified

[acoustic patio]

are you fucking serious with a suggestion to nerf true melee

what a fucking meme

true melee is already hard enough to use as is

[hollow shell]

@quaint kernel (late but) You should specify your suggestion title to just refer to early-PreHM / pre-boss, considering that's the only area where you have evidence that it is overpowered

[tall quartz]

Uhh it might sound crazy but I’m doing a malice play through with a friend and we’re melting bosses, I did one other pt before 1.5.1 and the bosses were significantly more difficult / tankier

I’m assuming it was in part to the reactive DR removal?

I was getting around 2.5K dps very consistently with stormbow-napalm on AS and killed it pretty fast, as usual the projectiles were annoying but it was a minimal worry till the end because of my dps

If anyones got any similar experiences or wanna make a suggestion I’d love to see it

Cryogen was so fuckin tough though, he was extremely tanky in comparison and his last ~30% felt like what I expected. was leagues harder than the Twins, AS, or Destroyer

I’d be willing to record if someone wants it

[ruby plover]

well yeah, malice bosses are way less tanky than they are now, exception being providence

rdr is no longer a feature in the game, so. your dps will stay consistent(ish)

[small timber]

isnt malice still have rdr (since somehow I remember is saying "remove timed dr except malice")? or they decrease rdr/make it less impactful on malice

[frail mantle]

rdr is now night prov exclusive iirc

no

[ruby plover]

this is in 1.5.1, on malice. yeah uhh rdr isn't a thing

[dusty path]

Why haven't the second Deus despawned?

[ruby plover]

it's a new 1.5.1 change

[small timber]

no wonder I saw mmalice bosses suddenly get melted, maybe the "timed dr removed except for malice" was changed later

since I remember it was in changelog

[hardy dock]

As someone currently doing a true melee run, I don’t think true melee is actually the problem with true melee

It’s just the accessories being hilariously at times

[gray nebula]

ppl be like can't stand rdr and then when we remove it haha rdr was nice

(joking ofc)

[hardy dock]

Wait did people actually like rdr

[fossil bronze]

no

[hardy dock]

I only think it’s good for worm openings

[gray nebula]

not rly therefore hence why I said people were like "can't stand rdr

I mean tbh it's

not a big deal either way ngl

[grim tusk]

Worms invincible? AS and DS say hi

[hardy dock]

In general feeling like a fight length is being bloated is one of the more frustrating things a boss can do

[gray nebula]

I mean if its just the first few moments like

[hardy dock]

Not the worst but it’s up there tbh

[gray nebula]

eh

[fossil bronze]

worms really need to resist piercing much more effectively
like if they killed piercing projectiles after a few hits or something

right now fights basically work like this:
-10 seconds where you can't hit the boss
-instantly obliterate it

[grim tusk]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rMRAAEsgLeLg11FpKF4EVBl4ZkJ1o2xb4M1c91ecvHY/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/785614289456070718/958784784153321512/cope.gif

Basically this

[icy plover]

idk if “suggestion” is the right name for this but the wording on the Ruin Medallion is misleading since it says “stealth strikes consume only 50% of stealth” when it should say “stealth strikes consume only 50% of stealth”

[grim tusk]

Both make sense

[icy plover]

both do but mean different things

[hardy dock]

What’s the difference

Dyslexia they both look like the same sentence to me

[icy plover]

the first only means that you would only lose 50% stealth when a normal strike is activated which requires 100% stealth but the second implies the actual functionality which is that you can activate a stealth strike even when not at 100%

AND it consumes half

[fossil bronze]

they are the same sentence

[icy plover]

🤔

[fossil bronze]

i think you messed something up

[half sage]

yea you typed the same thing twice in that first statement

[gray nebula]

it's the same sentence

[grim tusk]

Ok yea go sugg

[hardy dock]

Oof

[icy plover]

oh I’m just stupid am I

[gray nebula]

fail

[cursive briar]

i had to read this like 5 times cause i thought i was missing something lol

[gray nebula]

but I agree with the sentiment

[icy plover]

I meant to say “consume AND require”

😔

idk if “suggestion” is the right name for this but the wording on the Ruin Medallion is misleading since it says “stealth strikes consume only 50% of stealth” when it should say “stealth strikes require and consume only 50% of stealth”

[cursive briar]

i literally thought you still had to have full stealth

[hardy dock]

I mean that’s somewhat clunkier wording for a mechanic that only needs 1-2 moments to test

[cursive briar]

so it is flawed yep

[grim tusk]

“Stealth strikes only require 50% stealth” would be the best

[icy plover]

I am not 100% sure it actually works that way for the coin of deceit which is 75% but the wiki does say it should

maybe it’s outdated, can’t test rn though

[worthy lintel]

coin of deceit works the same way doesnt it

man i didnt play clam in ages

[icy plover]

the wording on both is the same but on the wiki it says medallion and sheath both only require half stealth to perform a stealth strike

[grim tusk]

Yea coin is 75% stealth only

[unique vector]

isnt initial worm DR what we had a while ago

[icy plover]

for reference compare the two

wording is the same but the wiki describes two different effects

same is said here

[grim tusk]

That sounds like a wiki issue

[icy plover]

doesnt list the coin

[grim tusk]

Not a game issue

[grim tusk]

Because it says halfway full

[icy plover]

I’d test wether it’s true but I’m not home, should have tested it before going out

[cobalt pewter]

yea

difference is only in value

personally I think I get what some of the devs are saying about this part of the Eclipse Mirror line and just straight up nerf them hard

[worthy lintel]

i wasnt sure anymore because i spam when i play rogue

:coolandgood:

[cobalt heath]

can we like

nerf the mirror

[crude geode]

are you referring to eclipse mirror or like the normal version or

I honestly think that all of the endgame elemental accessories minus like eclipse mirror feel extremely bland and boring for what are penultimate accessories.
Ele Gauntlet/Quiver are both kinda just stat sticks, Ethereal Talisman is a glorified combo of Sigil of Cal and Mana Flower, and Nanotech is almost there but still kinda just feels like Rogue projectile spam/stat stick.

[fossil bronze]

old quiver was more interesting tbh

but also incredibly stupid

[crude geode]

Indeed

[cobalt heath]

#suggestions-voting message

i still stand by this

[crude geode]

Ok

[cobalt heath]

but this caused a fucking civil war here when we talked about it

tldr

nerf mirror

[crude geode]

Cool story bro

[cobalt heath]

thanks

i love you too

[crude geode]

Anyways ele accessories feel lame but like making them cool requires making some of the classes they come from cooler (ranged without just spam being the theme, mage needing mana rework since some of the other classes focus on their core mechanics) summoner just needs to keep the components’ effects more tbfh tho

Losing out on the effects from each of it’s components is kinda lame af

[cobalt heath]

what does even mage one do

[crude geode]

It kinda just combined sigil with mana flower and gives it some stats

[cobalt heath]

i know all other elementals are just stat sticks

for mage it could have like a auto attack side spell maybe?

kinda like a luxor but very different

[crude geode]

For mage it kinda just needs mana rework first but who knows if that’ll happen

[cobalt heath]

and it could not do like tons off damage but have usefull effects

[fossil bronze]

i haven't played mage that much but mana seems to be kind of useless

like you just spam mana potions and boom

lower dps but infinite mana

[crude geode]

That or mana regen

Byeah mana is indeed a balls mechanic that someone wants to rework bc it sucks

(Pixl)

[cobalt heath]

tho if mage didnt have that atm it would be really fucking broken. But a rework prompts damage changes

[crude geode]

Reworking mana prompts a lot Byeah

[cobalt heath]

i dont play mage like ever so idk about that much about it

[crude geode]

Ranged just needs a bit of special projectiles, dependent on the type of weapon (gun/bow/rocket/etc)

[cobalt heath]

i only know about rogue stuff (and rogue needs nerfs asap)

[fossil bronze]

in its current state you could probably just remove mana and nerf the dps of all magic weapons and the game would be pretty much unchanged

since mage has potions/regen and summoner basically never needs to worry about mana

[unique vector]

smile

[cobalt heath]

mungus mod nungus

didnt read like an idiot about the annoucement

[quaint kernel]

alright i changed it

thanks

[icy plover]

as a follow up to this ive tested ruined medallion and it DOES trigger a stealth strike when you are over 50% and the same applies to the coin of deceit when you’re over 75%, which is indicated by the small notches near the stealth strike bar lighting up

which means that both the wiki is wrong for the coin and that imo the in game wording for both those items should include the “stealth strikes only require x%” alongside “spend x%”

updated the coin article on the wiki to match

[hardy dock]

Gonna be honest every time I’ve used the plasma rod it’s been shit

[slate turtle]

Same tbh

[digital saddle]

I see no reason to rename stealth

It works just fine already

Like changing the name would mean changing the tooltip on nearly every rogue armor and weapon

And I haven't heard any suggestions for new names that are good enough to justify changing it like that imo

[small timber]

^

[distant gyro]

I think the biggest problem with stealth as the current concept is that it undeniably relies on armor for it to work because otherwise it will never be stealth

I can see some benefits to renaming stealth

for one, it once and for all enforces that you don't have to stand still to utilize stealth, as is implied with other items with stealth mechanics ie. shroomite armor or psychotic amulet (that imo combats the confusion better than the confusion to older players seeing it renamed)

[small timber]

just personally I feel like the rename should come with the stealth rework (soon™) where they completely rescale max stealth, since the timing will make more sense, changing it right now can cause a lot of confusion

[distant gyro]

• it completely validates the removal of invisibility and invisibility based effects so that invisibility potion can finally die in peace and shadow potion could turn into something else

[icy plover]

renaming stealth?

what would even fit otherwise

[calm elm]

I saw someone mention renaming it to “focus”

[distant gyro]

• it allows the mechanic to be tied to the weapon instead of the armor, allowing the player to familiarize with the mechanic from the start of the game (seeing the stealth strike tooltip on throwing brick for the first time would be really confusing since you never know how to execute it without pre-knowledge or until later)

[calm elm]

but that would require they edit over 300 tooltips

[distant gyro]

the obvious downside would just be the effort to edit through every rogue weapon and armor

but apart from that it's good

[calm elm]

Its something i could see the devs do in the somewhat far future (after 1.4 and everything) but ultimately its their choice

[digital saddle]

I do wonder why my sugg about adding new flasks got rejected

i mean i think especially with the debuff rework

its not at all hard to imagine that perhaps a god slayer inferno flask could get some use

[unique vector]

among us

[digital saddle]

?

[small timber]

(probably not devs reason) flask in general is just too overpowered where every other classes struggle to apply debuff (to the point you have weapon dedicated for debuff), flask just singlehandedly solve the issue

Also although it might not seem like it god slayer inferno is super strong, just not many weapon can consistently apply it (for long duration) unless you are hitting it, meanwhile flask are like 20 sec debuff (all of them)

[grim tusk]

This

We literally had to nerf Calamitas brew quite a bit

[small timber]

Ya brew is currently very funny against astrum deus with fireball and cinnamon

[grim tusk]

And the situation would be worse with the new debuff weakness/resist system

Plantera gets bullied to oblivion

Just totality breakers (for oiled) + slime gun + mythril knife stealth (fucking GS inferno pre-ml)

[digital saddle]

i think crumbling pot and cal brew could just be made into flasks

honestly

[gray nebula]

Flakss are boring af

👌

[grim tusk]

TRUE

[digital saddle]

[small timber]

Crumbling removing the dmg and crit to make it flask will kinda become worse ichor, brew i can see being flask

[gray nebula]

[swift wharf]

what if flasks did things instead of just applying debuff I think

[gray nebula]

flasks blanket putting debuffs on all your weapons for all of the game is super zzz

[hot zephyr]

Oops, all debuffs!

[swift wharf]

🔥

[cobalt heath]

(1.4 whit whips flasks

[small timber]

ah yes all weapons the only 2 class that matter

[digital saddle]

why did you guys give flasks to rogue then

[grim tusk]

[hot zephyr]

[swift wharf]

because um

[hot zephyr]

@grim tusk

[sleek turret]

yeah

[grim tusk]

:kill: indeed

[inner anvil]

This sugg, well, you're right technically. But hopefully porting to 1.4, with the addition of whips, this will get fixed, hopefully.

[grim tusk]

@dim wren
Debuffing weapons, Slime puppet staff, Borealis Bomber, Sentries, 1.4 bringing wh*ps

[inner anvil]

Slime Puppet Staff and Borealis Bomber. Those weapons are cursed for summoner.

But yes, it technically makes summoner less boring.

[dim wren]

I mean I like those, It would be cool if they made more somewhat like it, but with more variety. As well as the whips being an addition in all points of progression.

[golden tulip]

technically you can right click with all summon weapons

[soft quest]

wh*ps 🤢

actually well designed melee weapons thrown on summoner

[hollow shell]

@dim wren Unbelievably broad suggestion

Decrease your scope

so that your suggestion is more actionable

[dim wren]

Done

Sorry

[hollow shell]

@chilly goblet I'm not sure if calling a post-GoblinArmy item "pre-boss" is very.. fitting
Like, yes it is prior to a boss, but the event has comparable activation requirements to bosses

It's not like it is as easy to get as Icicle Staff

[ruby plover]

also, there's no way shadowflame is doing 70 dps

surely it's being used against something that's weak to fire or smthn

[hollow shell]

Yeah it doesn't inflict a fuckload of debuffs anymore

(Not a fan of the boss tier tunnel-vision, especially in PreHM)

[sleek turret]

back when it had like, 4 debuffs i think?

ichor, cursed flames, frostburn and shadowflame if i remember well

[chilly goblet]

yeah thats fair, I'm using it against KS, EoC, and Perforators it is doing a DoT of 30. but I see your point with goblins

[distant gyro]

shadowflame, ichor, frostburn, fire, poisoned were the old debuffs

[sleek turret]

jesus

[soft quest]

ways to make summoner better (in my opinion)

throw out whips, make it the class it was meant to be, a dodge focused class.

Make sentries have much more damage but cant be spammed much at all (sentries encourage the player to dodge around an area to be effective, risky but rewarding). Also vastly expand much more sentries and maybe sentry masks/accessories for a possible subclass.

Make the minion buff itself also do something, for instance you could have slime staff give 5% jump hieght, or hornet staff could make all your summons inflict poison. This would make it so summons aren't useless the second you get past them and you can have a customizable army

Some kind of buff totem item that makes it so that minions in a zone are buffed. (the brim seeker summon does this well and it encourages dodging in a smaller area, again risk reward). alternatively, maybe ritual items that require you to be in a certain place at a certain time to get the buff (gamma hydra is a good example of this)

Improved targeting for minions (right clicking a staff could cycle between closest, farthest, weakest, strongest, or divide and conquer) - could be good for getting a bosse's minions out of the way or focusing all into one

Make summoner gain damage the closer he is to enemies, or something similar to ranger's buff in rust in dust with point blank damage

of course, all of these are massive undertakings and i wouldnt expect any of these to be resonable suggestions but i think these would make summoner so much more fun

in the time it took me to type that the convo moved on

[fossil bronze]

if you make summoner deal more damage close to enemies, why remove whips?
they basically do that anyway

[soft quest]

i could go on a 3 page essay on why i hate whips

[golden tulip]

dont

[soft quest]

i wont

[sleek wadi]

Wh*ps

[inner anvil]

Well, without that "3 page essay" I will have no idea why you want them to be thrown out lmao.

[sleek wadi]

The simple 5 letter word that sparks a 3 hour rant

[fossil bronze]

also removing whips will probably fuck with mod compatability

[inner anvil]

I don't think we can remove 1.4 content.

[soft quest]

nope

but it might be possible to change their damage to melee, and possibly make one of the most well designed melee weapons

[fossil bronze]

more melee weapons

[inner anvil]

I don't think that's in our plans.

[soft quest]

i know

[sleek wadi]

Also still fucks mod compatibility and purging whips causes a direct conflict with one of your own other objectives of having summoner stay closer to the boss

[soft quest]

im just saying there are other better ways to do that other than giving summoner a melee weapon

[sleek wadi]

Making summoner stay close with some other method while also purging whips is just killing whips to make another whip

Its the most amount of effort for the same amount of payoff

[inner anvil]

I mean, our vague plan is to make them have minimal damage by themselves but keeping the tag damage, so they're a support weapon to summoner and reward you to being closer.

[fossil bronze]

that's a cool idea

[soft quest]

that i could maybe get behind

[inner anvil]

That kinda' resolves two of your points, doesn't it Dylan?

[soft quest]

i just really fucking hate how they are melee weapons, to the point that flasks and melee bonuses work on them

if you got rid of those two, yeah i guess id be fine with it

[inner anvil]

That is in fact true, we want to throw that out, that is true lmao, it makes no sense.

Making whips, supposed summoner weapon, getting bonuses from the gauntlet line of melee accesories? Lmao no.

[soft quest]

yeah

you can legit play melee and use whips in 1.4 and its viable

[inner anvil]

We are aware.

[soft quest]

alright you convinced me

[inner anvil]

👍

[soft quest]

(i still wanna see a sentry overhaul though )

[inner anvil]

We'll see about that.

I cannot confirm neither deny.

[river glen]

ooooh

whips get fucked in damage

sounds nice

[soft quest]

i got a server suggestion (shocking ikr?)

do you think it would be a good idea to add a music channel and a music bot (like fredboat?)

[distant gyro]

no, those are best for private servers

[soft quest]

ok

[gray nebula]

because melee needs more weapons

whips are kindof the lazy way out yeah but

its much better to have them be melee instead of like, ranger or whatever

since at least the close range encourages more interesting gameplay instead of running away constantly

[digital saddle]

hm giant clam legit could be a boss

with how difficult it is

[ancient crow]

???

it is a boss

[gray nebula]

its a miniboss

also nah with a proper arena its rly not that hard

[fossil bronze]

man, giant clam is weird

it unlocks a bunch of pre-hardmode stuff (sea king) but also gets buffed in hardmode and drops more items

which is kind of confusing for everything that does that (ravager, brimstone/calclone, etc)

[fossil finch]

no????

how is it any confusing with those

That, to begin with, happens post provi

[dense ferry]

Astounding suggestion

[ashen warren]

ikr

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Bad

[ashen warren]

no good

that boss is cancer

[dense ferry]

You are bad

[ashen warren]

I had to use cheat sheet to kill it

[dense ferry]

Cool

You are bad

[ashen warren]

no the boss is bad

[dense ferry]

You are

[ashen warren]

shitass what mode you playing

expert

do normal

yeah fuck expert

[ruby plover]

tbf if the boss was straight up bad, people would be talking about it much more

[dense ferry]

(Isn't Provi the most loved Calamity Boss?)

[hollow shell]

Can you explain what you found difficult about the fight to the point where you would consider the quality of the fight to be bad?

[ashen warren]

too much shit at once

[soft quest]

yeah i really like prov

[ashen warren]

so many projectiles

like bro

and that laser

[dense ferry]

Dude, I have a great suggestion for you

Try SCal

[swift wharf]

I think this is an obvious troll

[soft quest]

all of it haas a pattern and is telegraphed though

[hollow shell]

Too much shit at once?

[ruby plover]

if you need help, you can always watch some videos of people doing the fight so you can get some strategies

[ashen warren]

yes

[hollow shell]

She has defined patterns that rarely overlap

[ashen warren]

or just do normal

[ruby plover]

she is one of the most consistent bosses in terms of attacks

[ashen warren]

kill poltergast first its easier

I foumd

[ruby plover]

also there isn't always a straight up "x boss is easier"

[hollow shell]

That's fine, we allow you to do bosses out of order if you want to

Polter's drops and the Acid Rain stuff you unlock post-Polt should help you to kill Provi easier

if you're struggling with her

[ruby plover]

oh btw is providence orange or blue when you summon her?

[ashen warren]

make it so you cant skip bosses lol

fuck that

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah good point Mattik
Are you fighting Providence during the day or night? If she's blue colored when you summon her then she is significantly harder

[ashen warren]

ooooh

what time you supposed to fight it

day

[ruby plover]

during the day

[hollow shell]

Yeah
opposite of Empress of Light

[small timber]

imagine complaining about providence when profaned guardian exist

[patent nimbus]

tfw ppl dont read item descriptions

[ruby plover]

oh no not guardians

[swift wharf]

boss guardians or provi's guardians?

[small timber]

Is Goblin Army/all breaking demon/crimson orb content/gears considered post-EoC?

Since I have heard the intended way is to use purification powder on the block instead of bombing it

[ruby plover]

boss

provi guardians are good now

[swift wharf]

oh yeah can we remove them

[ruby plover]

boss guardians imo should be demoted to a miniboss but iirc that has already been an idea that's been raised so, i dont think suggesting it would be too helpful...?

either way, guardians at the moment are a cool fight but and this COULD BE a skill issue are very VERY difficult

[swift wharf]

My problem with them is

they serve o n e purpose

[ruby plover]

tho it doesnt help that my only experience with guardians is with malice

[swift wharf]

and it's to get provi's summon

which is pretty cring imo

[small timber]

Their difficulty is pure projectile spam, they are difficult because they put out double the projectile amount they should

and also surprise charge but at least they can be dealt with

[ruby plover]

the fight does feel like constantly threading the needle through every single projectile they fire, whilst more are being created

[digital saddle]

im kind of shocked @ this rework because it feels like if anything it just... reinforced the existing problems with the fight

that being mach 10 charges and projectile spam being their only difficulty

[small timber]

When you have this many projectile to certain point it will become more reliant on luck than skill, unless you can convince me non-super human can remember the position of all lingering fireball, star shape spear and avoid standing on the path, dodge newly fired fireball and the charge, simultaneously

[digital saddle]

this does the exact same thing but much harder

[small timber]

The current profaned guardian just feels like attempting to fix a cheese.only to result in it requiring more cheese to beat (same with destroyer)

[swift wharf]

meanwhile dog's guardians

(storm weaver )

[grim tusk]

@sullen cloak
1- its rogue not rouge
2- you know you can wait (and even use it as an opportunity to setup huge dmg with Profaned partisan, night’s gaze or Deepsea dumbbell (btw this one can be very stupid))
3- you can use homing weapons like valediction to not have this issue
4- you can aim towards the head knowing only it is vulnerable
5- reasoning is quite vague
6- what about other classes?
7- stealth at this tier can generate very fast so it is not much of an issue and also has decent collateral dmg

[sullen cloak]

Ok

[small timber]

I think head make sense (since it is only invulnerable for like 0.5 sec anyway), taill will be strange since the body is invul

[sullen cloak]

I should of clarified the body would also become vulnerable first but it’s not really the viable option for damage

[ruby plover]

I don’t think the tail being vulnerable immediately would be good

That’s a stationary target

[sullen cloak]

I just deleted it

The suggestion

[ruby plover]

Oh

[sullen cloak]

But I still think the head being able to hit you when you can’t hit it is dumb.

[small timber]

I dont think seraph tracer speed ever get changed? their flight time get nuked but speed not really

it is just speed without seraph tracer get buffed so whether or not using a tracer is no longer a big deal

@uneven kayak I think you confused tracer nerf with movement speed nerf, tracer speed didnt get changed, it is just a lot of accessories give less movement speed now (therefore impacting tracers)

[grim tusk]

Just use quick reforges and/or other accs that help speed

@hollow shell sugg with no reasoning

[stable musk]

I'd like to reformulate this sugg

smth like
Buff seraph tracers
Today seraph tracers are just worse than lunar wings in both vertical and horizontal speed even without angel threads.
And then listing more reasons reasons reasons

[muted osprey]

ok but why use your brain

[stable musk]

problem is

lunar wings are better than seraph tracers in every way

except immunities

[calm elm]

every is wrong

Most id agree

[stable musk]

Horizontal speed - lunar
Vertical speed - lunar
extra effects - lunar
craft steps - lunar
immunities - seraph

[calm elm]

Ground speed:

[stable musk]

Seraph
But you can just spam space

[calm elm]

but if you want to argue strictly flying then yes

[stable musk]

unless you have space button not working

[small timber]

and seraph dont even give immunity if you use valor (which 90% people does)

also ground speed in post-ML is mostly a meme unless you are doing no accessory

[calm elm]

Polter/dog

its ok then

[stable musk]

Spam space

[calm elm]

moreso polter

[stable musk]

you can refresh flight time easily

[calm elm]

Dog being more aggressive when a player is airborn

[small timber]

90% of my polter fight is in air, for dog because of his new ai ground speed dont even do much (he will reach you very fast)

[calm elm]

hes much less aggressive when you are grounded from my experience

[stable musk]

periodically so you both in air and not but you don't lose sped

[calm elm]

?

[small timber]

no, what I mean is you dont need tracer ground speed, because no matter how fast you are (100% fast or 10% fast) dog will reach you

[stable musk]

Spam space - run - spam space - run e.t.c.

Also hook exists

[calm elm]

eventually yes

But he is much faster and aggressive when a player is airborne

[stable musk]

Lemme check it

!wiki devourer of gods

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Devourer_of_Gods

[small timber]

it is way worse right now, because his AI is basically he run very fast away from you and close in super fast to you (when he is far away)

this means you can be slow like a turtle and dog will mostly do the same

[calm elm]

oh do you mean the mechanic where he zooms into you if hes off screen

[small timber]

ya basically that mechanic, it invalidate ground speed because you can be fast or slow and he will close in as fast

[calm elm]

depends if he gets super far away or not

[small timber]

this makes air speed the only thing that matter for things like laser dodging

[calm elm]

Or if you get super far away

[small timber]

now you understand why ground speed dont matter

[calm elm]

what

[small timber]

the only thing matter is you are on ground, the MS of ground speed dont matter

[calm elm]

Oh thats what youre trying to say

okay

[stable musk]

every 15 seconds

[calm elm]

Back to the original roots of this discussion seraph tracers being worse in flight is fine

[stable musk]

in flight every way

which is why wings are

[calm elm]

you trade flight mobility for ground mobility by using tracers (or an extra accessory slot if you go treads + wings)

[small timber]

I mean if wings dont have set bonus then tracers are dine

currently tracers are just newplayer bait (except celestial where it actually have advantage of extra i-frame)

[stable musk]

you trade very important at every next fight flight time for some extra tankiness

little tankiness

[calm elm]

Elysian tracers are funny because they are more outclassed than the other 2

[cobalt pewter]

though the passive time is reduced the lower his HP is

[small timber]

celestial tracer is somewhat fine, it have enough flight time (unless you are extensively in air), seraph and elysian flight time is too little

[calm elm]

Seraph flight time is fine IMO

[stable musk]

God slayer wings when

[calm elm]

wasnt there concept art for a “god slayer booster”

Or is that a meme

[stable musk]

Also
IWANTFVCKINGDASHBUTIMSUMMONERSOIGETONLYREVIVEUSELESSINNEXTNOHITSIDIDNTGOTTOYET

[cobalt pewter]

does p2 dog still has the altering passive aggressive phases thing

[calm elm]

gsd is risky in nohits

[stable musk]

getting locked to dash or revive is bruh

[cobalt pewter]

good

[stable musk]

summoner wants to dash? nope, you can't change your armor or you'll get 1 dps.

what if they just gave some of other class bonus but lesser than their respective armor

Like gsa given mana increase and magic damage but lesser than silva

[small timber]

I mean seraph tracer is fine for like 1 boss

then it is not even cloes

[calm elm]

Which 1 boss would you argue

[small timber]

another thing to consider is the boss you fight, you use seraph for profaned guardian (you can argue ground speed is maybe useful, then it just ram into you), providence (almost fully air), polterghast (mostly air unless you arena is gigantic), sentinels (weaver=ground ok, cv=air, ceaseless=circle=air), old duke=air (you can do ground but it is worse), dog (as stated the speed itself dont matter much due to new AI)

[calm elm]

Speed doesn’t matter too much on dog but it still helps somewhat

But yes you could use just wings and be fine if not better depending on how you play

[small timber]

I think dog is just a special case, since its speed scale with how far you are (therefore you being far away/fast dont really matter)

[calm elm]

Dog is just weird

[small timber]

on other bosses it is just the case that ground is not generally used too much

[calm elm]

i find ground to be used a lot for providence

aside from spear phase

[tardy geyser]

yep im usually running on the ground when shes not* coccooning

every other boss after provi wings are better tho

[calm elm]

i still find seraph better on polter but i believe thats just my play style

[small timber]

you can use seraph on polter, but your arena need to be sufficiently big

if you are fighting it in a hole you will constantly bump into wall (or your dash cover enough distance)

[calm elm]

theyre better in a larger arena ye

[tardy geyser]

ye i can see them being useful for polter and dog too

i just dont due to how i fight them

[frozen hornet]

I found tracers better on polter but I can't give up some good bit of regen from tarra wings

[cobalt heath]

has there been any interesting suggs today

[calm elm]

od is flying yharon is flying scal is flying and exo mechs are flying

[small timber]

nerf giant clam most relevant suggestion

[calm elm]

Clam is fine imo

[cobalt heath]

eh

[small timber]

(is giant clam even that bad, he is just a miniboss that become irrelevant after 1 boss let him has his moment)

[cobalt heath]

clam is fine

[calm elm]

in hm

just make a box at the bottom of the desert/top of the sea

[frozen hornet]

He's way too hard imo, but I've never made a proper arena for him

[calm elm]

Boom ez

[cobalt heath]

clam to me like

[calm elm]

irrelevant

:(

Poor clam

[tardy geyser]

clam is fine, free even if you use the open area around the big geode

[small timber]

you dont really need an arena, it is just that you have to sit still for his drop down attack

[cobalt heath]

he is totally optional and yeah, irrelevant

if it was a free fight it would be even more irrelevant

[frozen hornet]

Pre-hm clam is easy

hm clam is

[small timber]

HM clam is like ravager where standing still is much better than moving around

most of his attack hit you/force you out of space if you keep moving

[cobalt heath]

and the attacks arent hard to dodge now

so if they wouldnt do that much dmg there would be literally no punish for being bad

[small timber]

considering how little miniboss calamity has (the other notable being great sandshark) I think giant clam is fine being a bit threatening, but if the player is dying to him I can see how waiting him to spawn can be frustrating (hence the suggestion to make it easier)

[cobalt pewter]

????

nuclear terror?

cragmaw mire?

[small timber]

those consistently spawn in event, giant clam is just boost spawnrate

[cobalt pewter]

I mean miniboss is a buzzword anyways

[stable musk]

Giant clam is just unreasonably harder than cryogen

And aquatic scourge

[calm elm]

How

[stable musk]

idk

just harder

and dealing too much damage

i died to it as ranged post-calamitas once

[frozen hornet]

It's harder if you don't use some aquatic movement stuff

(duh )

[stable musk]

hence why i delayed abyss grind for a while

[calm elm]

Its harder if you dont prepare for it

[stable musk]

then i killed it in normal underground because without water

[calm elm]

But as i stated a small box at the top of the sea does the trick

[cobalt pewter]

I think what I don't like about Giant Clam is more of how its attack look in hm

the clams fall out of nowhere

I mean you can probably make it shoot them up first or some shit

but that's mostly nitpicky

[stable musk]

king slime but clam and immovable

[candid grove]

I beat hm great clam while I wasn't alive

[cobalt heath]

new vote

gud sug

you got my vote

[small timber]

isnt it kinda defeat the point though, how much rdr do you need for that small amount of time (5-10sec) for it to not be obnoxious as straight up dr while still do its job

[cobalt pewter]

Tracking Disk feels amazing because it's broken

💀

[small timber]

and also ultra hard to balance late game where stealth fill in 1 second instead of 5 seconds

especially that you can have tracking disk out and throw another one

[cobalt pewter]

I mean the stealth formula already balanced that

faster regen isn't strictly mandatory anymore

[small timber]

the problem is how tracking disk function, where it can stay alive for longer than other weapon, so you can have a vortex of death basically

[cobalt pewter]

can you even throw 2 disks at a time?

[small timber]

I think you can? I will test it

[cobalt pewter]

i haven't tried it, but you can definitely keep tracking disk up for a long while

I just haven't tried whether you can throw more than 1

I think they're saying indirect upgrades

lemme reread

yeah they're not exactly saying to upgrade from disk

just having similar mechanics

I am pretty sure Eradicator SS already does this no?

in some sense

[[Eradicator]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Eradicator

[cobalt pewter]

oh what

it's different

actually no

Eradicator is similar to Tracking Disk

the SS is pretty different tho

[cobalt heath]

its prolly getting nerfed anyways

[runic shell]

Hello! I have an idea for quick stacking to nearby chests, like: if you rename chest "melee" then quick stacking will automatically move there all melee weapons in that chest whose name is "melee" or if you rename chest "melee prehardmode" then chest will pick up prehardmode melee weapons with quick stacking command and same with rest items of game. Maybe there is a mod who does that, or this stuff is built in game already, and I just don't know it. What say you?

[small timber]

that is not a calamity function

[cobalt pewter]

not only this is convoluted, but also this doesn't seem cal

[small timber]

calamity dont handle chest sorting things like that

[cobalt heath]

this is ms sugg

[cobalt heath]

i think magic storage kinda does this. But you have to pick the weapons and put them in manually

[small timber]

now scale this to end game stat and you have the most broken weapon ever

[frozen hornet]

To be fair that would be pretty damn hard to pull off successfully while in a boss fight

[small timber]

I mean you only have to get 1 out and it already double stacked (and you can just fast fly instead, depend on the projectile speed of the weapon)

just fly up and slime mount down or something

unless they add extreme precision for how the disk return to the player (like it literally cannot miss, eg: boomerang weapons) it will be hard to balance

but if it function like boomerang it is not really tracking disk like anymore

[cobalt pewter]

I think the stall is fun, the nerf I can think of is making the player permanently on use state while the disk is out

(I often use the stalling in skelly fight, pretty dapper)

[grim tusk]

@ornate flame Erradicator exists

and the reasoning is completely invalid

also format error

[grim tusk]

TRUE

[grim tusk]

Ruin medallion

[cobalt pewter]

I'm specifically referring to the stalling at the time

but yes that exists

[ornate flame]

Eradicator is not the same at all and all I said is that this weapon mechanic is super fun to play so having it in endgame would be really cool

[grim tusk]

eradicator spam is literally the same

and on stealth its similar

but even then your reasoning is completely invalid and you should read the doc

[ornate flame]

I just tested it and you cant "dodge" the weapon when it comes back

[grim tusk]

too fast :problem:

[ornate flame]

Yep

Oh okay I didn't see the pinned message I'm sorry, will do next time and I edited this one

[grim tusk]

although a bit better it is still not enough

also for skill-reward nothing will ever beat fucking deepsea DUMBbell

that thing is just mega stupid

[calm elm]

Deepsea dumbbell is a 140 iq weapon

you can do extremely stupid shit with it

But you gotta KNOW how to achieve said stupid shit

[grim tusk]

Me when OD can literally be fucking 2 shotted

And DoG 3 shotted (without glass cannon btw)

Taking out over 40% of DoG’s hp with adren + dumbbell is so fucking stupid

Yes it should be strong

But not so stupid

[cobalt heath]

isnt the new sugg bad reasoning

@north plank the new sugg in posting

bad reasoning atleast?

[north plank]

ye it's just a, not good reasoning and such

[gray nebula]

[crude geode]

honestly yeah can see cal making this change, what with rogue trying to be less throwing related and more it's own thing

[gray nebula]

i mean if you pick rogue, you're still kinda throwing due to how BAD the classs is

am i right

[dim wren]

Idk I love rogue honestly

[crude geode]

so true

[dim wren]

second favorite class modded and vanilla, but still far behind my absolute favorite, which is thorium bard class

[grim tusk]

You better start running 🗿

[gray nebula]

Rouge

[crude geode]

mhage fan when their name is misspelled:
average rouge fan when you spell their name wrong:

[grim tusk]

Tru meme

[uneven kayak]

Why is DoG so long and tedious now?

I had to use god mode after 50 deaths to just skip it because it was so uneccessarily long

[golden tulip]

why are you asking this here

[small timber]

Dog has always been this long, or you sre just using a really bad weapon against dog

Or you are just underprepared (no buff and such) for the fight

[uneven kayak]

This was my loadout

This is the best you can do as a melee

[crude geode]

#help-advice-read-pins

[uneven kayak]

my bad

[grim tusk]

so fucking glass cannon, no wonder you die so much

the only defensive acc you have is absorber and it alone wont cut it

get bloodflare core or smth

Highly recommend affliction as well

[cobalt pewter]

@lavish relic no.

read pins

[lavish relic]

Ah whoops

[grim tusk]

@wise hornet
expand on your reasoning as to why we need an arsenal armor

@digital saddle :noted:
although we will need to rebalance that stealth cuz that one is a demon

(also we test with 3 W, 3 M on hm)

[grim tusk]

@wheat ocean NO

check pins

(also Scarlet devil exists lol and pretty sure there are more Touhou references)

@agile solstice also no

and you even got the formatting wrong

[agile solstice]

Yeah first time posting there sorry

I’ll change the formatting rq

[grim tusk]

thats not even the main issue

Specific item suggestions are not allowed

[agile solstice]

Then

I’ll delete it

[grim tusk]

you should have read the pinned doc (which is also on top of #suggestions-posting )

[agile solstice]

I will next time sorry

[wise hornet]

every Draedon craftable is a weapon

how come no armour

an all-class armour could even be used

[grim tusk]

1- that one dev set

2- dev_plans.png

[wise hornet]

just cause 1 all class set exists

Does it hate keep

[half sage]

I think they mean dubious plating armor not exo armor, given the reference to arsenal stuff

[wise hornet]

Other armours

[digital saddle]

????

stealth mythril knife does like 300 dps tops

thats embarassingly terrible lol

[grim tusk]

godslayer inferno 🗿

[digital saddle]

its only good vs plantera

[grim tusk]

that thing likely needs a rework instead

[cobalt pewter]

honestly just rework mythril knife ss entirely

yea

[unique vector]

@low venture repost your suggestion as a single message

or else the bot will send them as separate embeds

@worthy lintel (can you mark both with an exclamation for now)

[worthy lintel]

:(

[gray nebula]

Stfu pixel its a sugg of all time

[unique vector]

perish

i will Kill Poor Formatting

[grim tusk]

Ah yes spring…
Rabbit season?
Duck season?
Bad sugg season

[cobalt pewter]

wabbit season

[muted osprey]

time to uh

blatantly steal and reformat this sugg

[grim tusk]

And get exclaimed :nexttimeeatasalad:

[muted osprey]

:((((((

[hollow shell]

@low venture Your suggestion is not formatted correctly
It must all be contained in one message

Also that detail about them being web-like just so they're "cooler" is not needed

[drowsy plank]

@dim wren ive spent a while trying to look for the discussion for when you posted your suggestion about making consumable rogue items nonconsumable, and i can't so sorry if im repeating something someone else said, but i think adding a mention about making them stackable like the light disc or something so you still have to craft several for optimal damage output could make your suggestion a lot more appealing? idk just a thought i had while looking at it, not sure exactly how it'd work logistically, but i feel like it makes the suggestion a bit more compelling since it'd still keep the spirit of the original items but reduce the item clutter you mentioned

[small timber]

there is really only 3 concerns,

1. it make some weapon that is somewhat unique less unique (unique as in not all the same/different, not necessarily 'interesting' unique);
2. make them not consumable means you basically can give them reforge modifier (flawless etc), which means the weapon have to be rebalanced;
3. most consumable rogue weapon is not really a problem, you make abundant amount of them at once

[frank ridge]

Wouldn't this be a problem with stuff like Goblin Army, since they get new content after beating a boss? WoF doesn't say anything about Goblin Summoners appearing.

[cobalt heath]

ah yes spring

when there are still 40 cm off snow

anyways yeah what is whit the amount off exclamation marks recently

[low venture]

Sorry I just couldn't edit my post in order to fit the images. Should I make it one message?

[cerulean trench]

to properly format it, yea

[calm elm]

Spring brings bad suggestions in the wise words of storm i think

[eternal escarp]

that doesnt really make much sense bad suggestions can come always

[warped tide]

Personally, An item similar to that one acid rain related item

having it on you just

stops the event from happening

[cobalt heath]

yo you are now a full mod tester?

congrats!

[eternal escarp]

thank you

[hot zephyr]

we invoked

[hollow shell]

@glossy reef Is that not redundant with how Rage builds?

[glossy reef]

a little

but

BUT

you can't lose rage to being hit

so you aren't risking losing your rage by being closer

just your hp

rage is just not as interesting imho

i dunno i thought of this idea on a whim

feel free to rip it to shreds ig

[hollow shell]

You should at the very least address Rage in the sugg, as this would be encroaching on its dynamic

[glossy reef]

oh yes

right

hang on i had an idea about that

edited

honestly

how this grazing effect would interact with rage is not a question i have a great answer for

[fossil finch]

can we not add true grazing to adren

[glossy reef]

why not

[fossil finch]

because like, no

[glossy reef]

what if it's an accessory

then you wou;dn

[fossil finch]

it's fine as is

if it was an acc it'd probably be absolutely neglected over everything else

[glossy reef]

that doesn't help me

that doesn't tell me where i went wrong

it's just

"no"

[fossil finch]

👍

[glossy reef]

does not mean it cannot be improved

[fossil finch]

i fail to see people being interested for an acc that solely does this, and are also worried about how the increase on adren regen would be properly balanced

[glossy reef]

explain to me what would be so wrong with grazing in terraria

[fossil finch]

after all, adren like quintuplies your damage for free

[gray nebula]

your asking to make adrenaline be more like rage wth

WHAT

[fossil finch]

i in no moment said that grazing would be wrong in terraria

[glossy reef]

the increase in adren regen is balanced by having to risk losing the adren

[fossil finch]

i'm just saying it is unnecessary for adren

that risk is not exactly easy to properly balance

[glossy reef]

ok

wait

what if it's not immediate

[gray nebula]

also I mean

[glossy reef]

what if you had to spend x amount of time "in danger" to trigger it

[gray nebula]

no one fucking

"runs away to the other side of the world to build adrenaline and the n come back to tbe boss

[glossy reef]

not to that extreme

but like

[fossil finch]

that is infact, true+

[glossy reef]

unless the boss has sweeping lasers

[fossil finch]

first because bosses despawn

second because bosses despawn
third because bosses follow you

[glossy reef]

you just rod away from the boss until you get adren

[gray nebula]

no one does this fr

[glossy reef]

not all bosses despawn

[fossil finch]

except rod is literally disabled while chaos state is active

so this is like, still a good 10 seconds of dodging between every rod teleport

the only ones that don't are very good at following you

)all bosses do despawn given the right conditio

[glossy reef]

for some the right condition is only when you're dead

[fossil finch]

ok

[glossy reef]

look

is my idea not even serviceable

[fossil finch]

you're still missing the fact it is quite literally impossible to rod away from the boss until you get adren )and the fact that no one does this anyway)

[glossy reef]

my intended point was

to get adrenaline you just run the fuck away from the boss

and then come back and clap em

all you have to do

90% of attacks are easier to deal with when you're farther away

so

whatever

is there ANY merit to my idea at all whatsoever

[fossil finch]

except no one does that

[glossy reef]

is there

any merit

to my idea

[fossil finch]

and all bosses follow you to the point that sole idea is unviable in 99% of cases

[glossy reef]

or have3 i wasted my time

[fossil finch]

that's not really for me to answer lol

i literally just don't have an answer for you

[glossy reef]

i probably should not have posted it

stupid idea anyway

[unique vector]

so many mid suggs lately /s

[dense ferry]

Honestly this also undermines the accidental similarity that Rage and Adrenaline have with SCal and Draedon

[fossil finch]

yeah but that's not reasoning for anything

[grim tusk]

Having adrenaline more often would be completely overpowered

As if i wasnt malding about Occult skull crown literally before checking here

Adrenaline is fine as it is, its a hard to get reward

Which in return allows you to melt a huge part of the boss

[dense ferry]

Yeah

[grim tusk]

Also stress pills are kinda underrated ngl

[keen zealot]

megatron when they realize rage already works exactly like that

[glossy reef]

can't lose rage by getting hit

also

the rage damage boost is tiny

like

35% would be cool

but ofer 5 seconds

does almost nothing

[hot zephyr]

range is insanely powerful

it lasts a long time

heart of darkness is an S tier accessory

[ruby plover]

sure, rage is "only" a 35% damage boost (a bit over 2 class emblems), but... it lasts for so long. it's really good

[crude geode]

2 class emblems is kinda nutty on it's own

[small timber]

In order for your idea to work adrenaline need to be at least 50% weaker (to begin with), because adrenaline already kills boss hp bar where making it charge faster will invalidate most of pre-golem bosses (no matter how "difficult" is to graze attack)

Because you have to remember you dont necessarily need to graze full time, most of the time you naturally have close call (eg: scal bullethell) and with this suggestion you are basically nautrally charging arenaline faster

Making adrenaline charge half as fast (to introduce grazing) will create too much of a skill ceiling, where average player hardly can get an adrenaline out while for noh*tters/high skilled player it is potentially more broken than before

[gray nebula]

holy fuck people really did keep arguing about it

The suggestion is gonna get denied even if it somehow made it into voting no need to go in circles

Source: i have divination powers

also interesting latest suggestion but that would probably be fixed with 1.4's reccomended achievement thign

[unique vector]

among us

[worthy lintel]

not reading all that

[green spindle]

Man...

[nocturne yew]

same here

[green spindle]

👨

[nocturne yew]

[grim tusk]

Will invalidate every fucking boss

[grim tusk]

TRUE

[grim tusk]

Sussy

[glossy reef]

"Arguing" implies that someone agreed with me

i had a cool idea

people explained 30 reasons why my idea is trash

i have learned my lesson

next time i will simply not suggest my idea

save everyone some time

[grim tusk]

@round geyser SIS are a dont

Go read the doc

[grim tusk]

It is recommended to post an idea here to check if its fine to suggest

[glossy reef]

i thought this channel was for discussing already posted suggs

[round geyser]

what do you mean storm?

[grim tusk]

And for discussion suggs that are about to be made

[grim tusk]

Specific item suggestions

Are not

Allowed

[round geyser]

oh

i understand

[unique vector]

isnt mecha mayhem like

deprecated

[grim tusk]

Kinda yea

Although now its far better due to Ares having better and clear telegraphs instead of being subtle as fuck

[small timber]

I think I will rather Thanatos to not force the player to move tbh

as in he use a movement speed that scale with player and will never actively close in on player

[glossy reef]

what about a grazing mechanic that doesn't involve adrena or rage

what if

what if

[small timber]

since it is the biggest problem: you have ares denying top and left/right, artemis/apollo completely denying downward and bottom left/right and thanatos force you to move

[small timber]

then I dont know how they are supposed to balance that, by adding a 3rd damage bar

[glossy reef]

what if grazing enemy attacks gave you stealth

[dense ferry]

...Why would it?

[worthy lintel]

that would be catastrophically strong

[glossy reef]

no fucking clue

[small timber]

it can be a specific accessory that give you like damage boost for grazing (kind of like raider's talisman), like a 15% damage boost at max stack

an actual mechanic that would not be happening, at all

[fossil finch]

grazing gives you life regen

Fuck it

[dense ferry]

Honestly you just seem like you have a massive boner with grazing attacks and desperatly needs it in Calamity

[green spindle]

That doesn't seem very stealthy

[dense ferry]

Despite there already being one

[glossy reef]

just me making another suggestion that crumbles under literally any scrutiny

[green spindle]

Cause it's bad

[glossy reef]

because literally i just thought it would be cool

[grim tusk]

NO

[glossy reef]

I KNOW

i know

I get it

My brain is smooth as ice

[grim tusk]

Gladiator locket

[small timber]

^ I think this will be the closest idea to what you want to achieve (although it will be specific item suggestion)

[glossy reef]

i will make sure to not waste your time with another suggestion in the future

have a nice day

[hollow shell]

@crimson sonnet Your title line should probably be to add more direction towards the schematics, rather than a quest system in general, considering from your reasoning it seems like the schematics were the only thing you had a problem with

[crimson sonnet]

ur right! thing is english isnt my first language and even those few setences took so long ;_; anyway-i should rework the paragraph. @hollow shell

[distant gyro]

@small timber there is something you need to know about worm bosses that concern this video

worm bosses have 2 additional arbitrarily done checks that you probably do not know exist

[small timber]

I think it is dog specific? since deus seems to be fixed (mostly)

[distant gyro]

one for 200+ tiles and one for 350+ tiles

[small timber]

because this one is happening consistently, not just 1 time thing

[distant gyro]

surpassing these distance thresholds will cause the boss to "randomly" speed up

(except it's not really random)

[small timber]

no it is different, the random is refer to dog phase switch (purple and blue), as in due to his AI switch his regular speed up when you are on air that you cannot really predict because he just accelerate in an instant

for the light speed charge (shown in the video) is just showing a (probably unintended interaction) of the AI

[unique vector]

arent very lengthy boss suggs banned

[small timber]

not sure what the verdict is

[unique vector]

also fab intentionally changed dog’s turning speed

[small timber]

I will amend it if it is problematic

[distant gyro]

idk

[unique vector]

because apparently there was a math mix up to where he would take longer to turn than to accelerate

[small timber]

since I don't mind dog having high turning speed, but when he 1 frame charge me I don't think it is reasonable

[unique vector]

he’s supposed to do tighter turns now but idk if its a problem

are u sure ur not just like lagging or frame skipping

[small timber]

ya that one I don't mind (therefore the suggestion didn't mention it)

no definitely not lagging, DoG Ais is just very scuffed right now, and it happen only after the most recently patch involving DoG bug fix

v1.5.1.006, since before that this dont happen (it happen like once for 50+ fights, instead of now where it happen like 30-40% of the fight)

[cobalt heath]

Me when My dog sug got In whitout getting into dev server

[small timber]

DoG also very often forget to turn off his chase AI for faster turn and just ram into the player very frequently

I think most player didnt notice this since they stay grounded for most of the fight, but due to certain challenge I do I am in air most of the fight (therefore these happen much more frequently)

[hollow shell]

Now that video is a skill issue if I've ever seen one

[unique vector]

among us

[hollow shell]

Shoulda reacted to the one frame his hitbox was already inside of you, smh

[unique vector]

holy SHIT that video is funny

[distant gyro]

that is a

cry about it

(.mp4)

there was no ping

[small timber]

(wait my habit to remove ping on reply)

[small timber]

sorry for ping, is this type of suggestion still allowed?

since if it is illegal I wil lchange it to something else (to at least fix the core problem, rather than just list all of them)

also for that lightspeed charge I unironically encounter it so much that now I can dodge it with 75% consistency

[cobalt heath]

Is the sug

Sus?!?!

[cobalt pewter]

sir verbal murder is illegal

[small timber]

if he is currently blue just drop down, if he is purple then hook up

[hollow shell]

This suggestion is indeed questionable in that it suggests several different changes, albeit under one umbrella goal

[small timber]

since many of them I don't think is ever intended (therefore just bugged/scuffed AI) then I will just narrow it down to specific (probably intended) part

[hollow shell]

I think if you cut out the laser telegraph bit and the CosGuard head bit, the umbrella would be more comfortably focused on DoG's movement