suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

and Gemtech will stand completely on its own without regards for the others

(afaik)

[cobalt heath]

are the armors gonna be like silva and godslayer

like demoshade for summoners and mages and exo set for others

[cobalt pewter]

last time I remembered Exo armor is supposed to be classless

while scal Demonshade will be all class with 3 helmets

not sure if those plans are changed tho

[golden tulip]

all class with 3 helmets?

so some helmets will be hybrid?

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, some helmets are for 2 classes

[golden tulip]

damn

[cobalt pewter]

can't remember which is which

[still zodiac]

Magic + summoner, melee + True melee, rogue + ranged

Atleast that's what I heard last time

[cobalt pewter]

makes sense, I was assuming melee would be the one alone

[frail mantle]

that yes

[cobalt heath]

this just all is feeling like draedon is the main boss and scal is like the optional one

[frail mantle]

they are both mandatory

[golden tulip]

how

[frail mantle]

currently they share the final boss spot and when the big man rolls around you'll need to beat both draedon and SCal to fight him

[golden tulip]

if anything scal gives more stuff

weapons, enchantments, exhumeds + upcoming exclusive demonshade armor

compared to draedon's weapons + armor

[cobalt heath]

draedon unlocks the next tier in armor and weapons for mos

[golden tulip]

besides, exo's lost their difficulty with the nerfs

[small timber]

with full warding (and tank build) exo almost do no damage, like literally

on death probably can just tank most of the hit

[golden tulip]

theyre more balanced but they got easier

[small timber]

I thought the only imbalanced phase is just 3 mechs (which might became even more of a problem), while everything else is nerfed

the only difference is you can tank through it now

[golden tulip]

what

according to who

[small timber]

maybe, might took a long time though, but I never felt solo/2 mech phase are ever a problem (but they are nerfed the most)

while 3 mechs are buffed even more

[golden tulip]

theyre already reworking the boss fight released half a year ago

still

its just

bleh

[frozen hornet]

Fab himself said he wants to make them work together more

[frail mantle]

yes

in fact he's already shared his plans for how they'll work together in the dev server

[frozen hornet]

Pog

[cobalt heath]

i hope they could do special phases for the times that only 2 mechs are on the field

[random pendant]

Is smaller cosmetic item suggestion not enough for a proper suggestion? A lot of the suggestions i see are fairly major while mine is a singular non weapon item

Yes i did read the document

It dosent concern balance as it is an item that goes in the vanities slot

[small timber]

depend on what you are suggesting

there are some cosmetic suggestion in the past, but as long as you are not too specific (and the reason of your suggestion)

[random pendant]

Ok

[small timber]

@random pendant that one is definitely a no go since it is future boss

[random pendant]

Oh

[small timber]

that we have no idea what it will be

[random pendant]

I see

[small timber]

I though cosmetic you meant like vanity items

[random pendant]

I can change it to just any boss

[small timber]

that one I think is prohibited, since it will be seen as joke suggestion by modes

and also LORDE reference is kinda also prohibited

[random pendant]

Oh

Ok

[small timber]

when you said cosmetic I thought you are referencing to things like these

but ya, both LORDE (or joke item) and future boss are prohibited from suggestion

[random pendant]

Ok i removed the suggestion

Hey before i suggest it because i have a better idea
Would a vanity item that looks like yharim's hair be good?

[eternal escarp]

calval already does it believe anyways

usually the thing with vanity sugg is that you cant reason them very well

[random pendant]

Ah

Should have checked that

[fair radish]

Use turn is dogshit that’s all I have to say

[golden tulip]

use turn is good

[fair radish]

It… isn’t

[golden tulip]

it is

[fair radish]

I don’t know where this idea that it’s good comes from

What makes it good?

[small timber]

isnt use turn deliberately added?

[golden tulip]

yea

[small timber]

then they probably are not changing that

[golden tulip]

makes it a lot less annoying to use

[fair radish]

No it

Actually makes it a lot more annoying to use

[golden tulip]

i think it doesnt

[small timber]

considering how much they super buff true melee removing use turn will probably just murder all pre-HM (and some HM) bosses

[fair radish]

If you’re trying to hit a boss… you want to face the boss

Use turn removes that

[small timber]

the only thing use turn disable is basically swing true melee and walk backward, it is a big deal but if it is for balance reason there is really nothing can be done for it

not through a suggestion

[fossil bronze]

it should work like how vanilla projectile broadswords work
so the swords swing in the direction of the cursor

imo

[fair radish]

I agree

[crude geode]

Whenever someone brings up use turn it gives me a headache

[fair radish]

Because use turn is a headache lol

I hate it

[random pendant]

Ok i think i made an actually decent suggestion

I think

[small timber]

that is, ok I think? assuming it is to prevent player from getting stucked without RoD

[random pendant]

That too

[small timber]

but I think your reasoning is a bit off

do you play the mod recently? scal stop fighting at 1%

[random pendant]

I rember it does that last time i fought her

[distant gyro]

scal teleports back to the altar and ends the fight after finishing her dialogue

you don't get to "finish" her off

[random pendant]

She went ouside the arena at the phase where she stops moving so i had to teleport down and had to slowly kill

[small timber]

ya the only reason for that suggestion should be so scal is in screen to finish the dialogue

[small timber]

you can no longer "kill" scal, the fight now stop at 1%

at 1% she just give up fighting and teleport to the middle of arena and drop the loot

[random pendant]

Oh does the movement and such stop at 5% now?

[small timber]

1%, and scal stop all attacks and basically turn idle, speak to you, then the fight just end, you no longer need to deal the last 1% damage

[random pendant]

Ah

[golden tulip]

bruh

[random pendant]

That is a change i did not know

[small timber]

which is why this will be the most suitable reason you can use

[random pendant]

I mean i can change it to that

[small timber]

ya probably just change to it, since the current reason you use for your suggestion do not apply anymore

[unique vector]

AMONG US

[distant gyro]

she does indeed still attack at 5%

[small timber]

(wait why did he change from 1% to 5% in the suggestion)

[random pendant]

Im changing it

[hot zephyr]

useTurn is good on melee weapons

[small timber]

I think the only thign it is not good at use true melee and walk backward

[hot zephyr]

the cons of it being turned off far outweigh the pros

oops trapped in animation

[small timber]

and it really only matters for true melee

but since it is devs decision cannot really suggest it

[hot zephyr]

there's only one boss where it's bad

WoF

because that fight mandates the moonwalk lol

[gray nebula]

melee players debating about useturn

I still can't remember if it's supposed to be good or bad

in any case it sucks because melee swung swords are not aimable

[small timber]

some matters, but since it is mainly pre-HM it is not a big issue

king slime, eye of cthulhu, crabulon, hive mind, queen bee, slime god wof

[hot zephyr]

subtle hint on why frArk is given to the players post-SG

[small timber]

to certain extend boc but ya true melee boc lol

[calm elm]

True melee boc is meme

[cobalt heath]

use turn?

[hot zephyr]

i placed frArk post slimegod to fill the void from useTurn ;)

so you can

[distant gyro]

just allow titan gloves or something to enable or disable useturn at will

5head

[cobalt heath]

yeah fuck that but also a damm pain to code it

[hot zephyr]

use a close ranged weapon on WoF

there is almost zero benefit to having useturn off, titan glove doesn't need that functionality

[small timber]

is it possible to just make true melee direction follow mouse cursor? or that is literally use turn off

[hot zephyr]

at that point it'd be better to just include a hotkey to toggle

useTurn off just makes the swords more difficult to use, especially against targets that change direction lol

[cobalt pewter]

not another useturn debacle

[hot zephyr]

silence feedza

[small timber]

@gaunt tiger it was deliberately done, suggestion to revert it is prohibited (as suggestion for reverting changes is disallowed) and also very unlikely to happen

you might not agree with it, but it is devs decision so the decision to revert it can also only come from the devs

[grim tusk]

and the reasoning is extremely vague

I suggest you read the suggestion document @gaunt tiger

[crude geode]

me every single time it gets brought up

(I don’t play melee)

[hot zephyr]

it's half technical limitations half UseTurn being better than what vanilla provides anyways which is why they were retroactively changed

when people say they want useturn off, they want a vanilla override to fix broadswords being cringe

disabling useTurn won't actually make broadswords magically better to control

[unique vector]

use turn sugg number 500

[hot zephyr]

im gonna suggest ectoblood, floomfie @unique vector

[gaunt tiger]

Something being iconic is not at all a vague reason. Portions of London remain unchanged for the same reason.

[gaunt tiger]

Well that sucks, and I don't understand why they'd do that

Oh well

[grim tusk]

yea but you do not ellaborate as to why

you just say "its iconic"

but yea why?

[unique vector]

die

[small timber]

I think their rationale is something along the line of "they don't like the fact that bosses have a hidden healthbar"
or that it is a cheap trick that only works the first time

[gaunt tiger]

It was an awesome cool iconic moment? Everyone remembers the first time it happened, and people made memes about it even

[small timber]

but since a dev is here it probably will be much more clear if you just ask him

[grim tusk]

i remember that shitpost I made

how the fuck did it get so many upvotes wtf

the subreddit has something wrong with it

[hot zephyr]

it was made to make health bars consistent

100% health, not 200%

[gaunt tiger]

Why does that matter

[hot zephyr]

to make the health bar easier to read?

to not unnecessarily complicate things?

for a gimmick in a boss fight that doesn't actually matter

[gaunt tiger]

Who cares how much health a boss has, it dies when it dies

[hot zephyr]

[small timber]

I think it will be completely down to preference, in one hand you have a better designed health bar (as it is accurate), on the other hand you have epic moment although it only works the first time

and devs seem to prefer the first one

[gaunt tiger]

Even the game that the health bars are ripped from breaks the rules
Metal gear rising

And it's fucking hype

[cobalt pewter]

wtf
.........

I've noped outta that hellhole of a convo

[small timber]

metal gear rising is a lot more focus on just 1 epic moment though, like 1 playthrough for all the plots

[gaunt tiger]

It's not about rules, it's about cools

[small timber]

while terraria to certain degree is replayable

[gaunt tiger]

Nah rising is meant to be replayed on higher difficulties

[hot zephyr]

200% health in MGR is stupid too

[small timber]

but ya I get your point of view, just that the dev prefers the accurate health bar approach

[gaunt tiger]

Why lol

[hot zephyr]

ideally I'd love for all MGRR references to be expunged from the mod

[gaunt tiger]

My how testy

[crude geode]

There’s balancing problems with how the original “heal back to full” worked (i.e. you could kill him lol)

[gaunt tiger]

Wait you could?

[crude geode]

yes

[small timber]

the ONLY significant thing this affect is bloodflare armor

[gaunt tiger]

I thought he went immune

[small timber]

because currently it is much more viable than the era where some bosses have 2 hp bar

[hot zephyr]

if you burst down yharon fast enough you could skip the second part

[gaunt tiger]

You didn't do that with pre p2 gear could you?

[hot zephyr]

it was possible in some circumstances

[small timber]

wait yharon's 10% hp was not hardcoded to never drop below 10%?

[gaunt tiger]

I would have assumed it was too

Ah it's a shame anyway. I don't necessarily like the attitude towards this game here, but here we are

Sometimes a game doesn't have to be optimised

Sometimes cool is better than hard

Thanks for the answers

[crude geode]

It’s moreso that a suggestion specifically about readding features is not allowed, not that some people dislike your sugg

Otherwise 80% of suggestions would never get into voting

[gray nebula]

yharon revive was kinda mid anyways

.

Especially the "go back for darksun skfjjxdjdxdxdjajajaja" thing

I sure do feel like i grew worthier after eviscerating everything and killing mothron but faster

[half sage]

I sure do love doing 45% of a boss fight only to be told to go do a vanilla event but with higher stats just to be able to do the full fight

[crude geode]

Darksun was indeed very annoying

Of half the fight

[half sage]

yea with the healing it was about 45%, aka the same as when yharon phase changes now

[crude geode]

@unique vector latest sugg is a don’t

[unique vector]

soos

[cobalt heath]

yharon rev was a goog idea, but the reason why it happened before was mid

like you almost killed me? You're weak, go fight solar moon

[crude geode]

solar moon
getting your shit mixed up a bit there

[cobalt heath]

mixed em both

solar eclipse

mb

are there dev plans to change the way yharon p2 transition works?

[cobalt heath]

btw if you miss the heal you can always play older versions off the game

[dusty path]

Making a minor edit cuz yes

[fossil finch]

why

[hot zephyr]

to fit with the other weapons and items that got moved to a normal anvil

@ashen warren make sure to include proper formatting and a good reason for the sugg

maybe note that other weapons got similar treatments recently

[grim tusk]

Alternative solution: Make Ice clasper’s ai not shit

Also blackhawk and Shellfish exist for consistent dmg

[sleek wadi]

Balance related things as config is not gonna happen. It'd double the balancing load for summoner at absolute minimum and all of the current config options don't significantly effect gameplay aside from the hardmode rework toggle. The hardmode rework toggle in particular is only a config because its unfinished IIRC and will be removed when early HM is done.

[torn vigil]

You have a point

[unique vector]

i will murder balance configs

[torn vigil]

?

[west jackal]

There’s probably a mod out there that removes the restriction anyways

[distant gyro]

balance configs will not happen because 9 times out of 10 people will choose the easier option

see: lethal lava

[torn vigil]

I checked there isn’t

Atleast as gae as I know

[west jackal]

as what 🤨

[torn vigil]

Meant to say as far lol

[west jackal]

Yeah lmao

[torn vigil]

But if you know of a mod that does that do tell as I’ve looked and haven’t found one

[digital saddle]

Just make it a difficulty mode item like malice and everyone will use it

[west jackal]

Calamity difficulty🤢
Calamity difficulty item😎

[hollow shell]

@wheat ocean I mean
The armor does have a really intricate functionality
Cutting down on the description would be taking info away from the player; more wiki dependence

[wheat ocean]

I mean make it less "wall of text"-y

[hollow shell]

How.

[wheat ocean]

add breaks in between description areas so that it isnt a block

[hollow shell]

alright that's fair

Is the description color coded currently? I dunno if that made it into public release

[unique vector]

theres that one accepted sugg of condensed tooltips

whenever someone wants to get to that lol

[fossil finch]

It is not

[hollow shell]

Crud

That would definitely help

@wheat ocean It'd help if you added those possibilities to your suggestion, more line breaks and/or color coding, or any other solutions you can think of

(Normally proposing solutions is generally discouraged, in favor of describing the problem and the reason it should be fixed
But I'll make an exception for this, cuz.. this is a problem with a lot of items and we could use any options provided for them too)

@molten narwhal Don't talk in that channel. This here is the discussion channel.

But yeah good point.

@livid coral Gem Tech relevance

[molten narwhal]

i think that supreme cal is still too op even after the nerf in the 1.5 update

[grim tusk]

Reminds me of Radium stopping MAD due to Arma and Defiled being configs in Nycro’s mod :lo:

[hollow shell]

Hm.

An interesting game design observation

[small timber]

Wait the summoner multiclass config suggestion is not exclaimed?

[grim tusk]

It does not break any donts

However it’ll be an instant 🚫 once it hits voting i imagine

If it manages to even pass ofc

[grim tusk]

.

[fossil bronze]

is there a reason adding config options isn't a don't, considering iirc they've always been denied?

[grim tusk]

Usually they’d be better off not being added or being on by default

Like why do you want a possitive trait to be a config

Or why do you want to fuck balance over with a config

Or why can you reduce difficulty of a mode via a config

Honestly removing summoner penalty should be a dont

[distant gyro]

adding a config is most oftenly a getaway to "I don't agree with a change that happened" which makes it an instant disapprove

but besides that some good things can end out of config suggestions like disabled screenshakes

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message
This by current standards is a 🔒

Now faster mining and building are by default instead of configs

[distant gyro]

it is funny to see all the reactions at once though

in order it was:

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message 335 stars holy fuck

[distant gyro]

approved build speed booster items
rejected increasing default speed
implemented... both of them actually

[cobalt pewter]

configs should be a don't

iirc

also like

why not just add a tooltip like point blank

[small timber]

"Config suggestion that heavily alters balance of the game"

Defense damage, summone nerf etc

[grim tusk]

Defense dmg is just there to prevent face tanking and allowing chonker builds to be buffed without enabling face tanking

Chonk builds are a thing now and they are actually very good

I almost defeated Inf Exos due to running chonk

But choked so bad

[west jackal]

Just add a config to disable defense damage, but everything does 50% extra damage

[fossil finch]

no

👍

[west jackal]

You can’t suggest for future content @terse timber

[fossil finch]

(To current sugg)

It's not even that It's just

No

[west jackal]

also an Easter egg sugg

[terse timber]

dont you love systems that kills any form of creativity- /joke, before anybody goes and starts a flame war-

[west jackal]

It isn’t that creative lmao

Calamity will have mgr references anyways

[fossil finch]

poorly done joke

Not funny

[terse timber]

actually

i could go on and on about why it's clever, but i wont

[hot zephyr]

you should

[west jackal]

Do it

Go on

And on

[terse timber]

eh

yall would make fun of it

[fossil finch]

We already are

[terse timber]

so im not going to waste my time appaising random people on the internet

[fossil finch]

[hot zephyr]

ignoring the logistical issue of trying to implement copyrighted music from a major game studio into the mod
your suggestion should follow proper formatting first and foremost

additionally, it should be backed up with a more substantial reasoning than "it'd be cool"

[west jackal]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtMxID_Z4ahJOIvWzvESJW0u3NGSh0JAh3Qwd9IqSzU/edit

Did we ever get any updates on this

[distant gyro]

idk

but i can search for one

[hot zephyr]

absorbed into the giant datamass

[distant gyro]

There was one thing I saw in the suggestion docs that made sense to me, and that was making Cryogen spend less time in teleport phase. So I took care of that.

[west jackal]

Well at least there was one thing lmao

[crude geode]

most of it was dumped lmao

[small timber]

I think the Ravager stomp sounds and Duke transition make sense, others are really whatever (with no expectation to get send anyway)

Since both are basically lacking telegraph right now

[novel belfry]

the think tank!?

[west jackal]

Yeah

[small timber]

that I filled like 80% while most others only care about leviathan

[frozen hornet]

Prime instakill ignored

[gray nebula]

lmfao

terraria players when they can't experience the whole game when using fast forward qol

[small timber]

it is 5 fucking blood orb

like seriously now

you literally have to kill 25 enemy and you (on normal chance) have enough, because it is like 20% drop chance

[crude geode]

I feel like this is completely baseless, unless you are the most unlucky person on the planet and had this happen to you

[shrewd pike]

still I almost never get them since I'm usually underground for pre-hardmode and then have after obtaining cosomlight in hardmode its turns into a waiting game for the game to give you a bloodmoon

[grim tusk]

Just enable death mode

Free blood orbs

[small timber]

you can also just teleport back to ground, kill 25 enemy and get enough blood orb to have to never worry about it

and it is very obvious when bloodmoon occur even when underground, since water turn red

[shrewd pike]

idk I guess im just really unlucky or something because in almost all of my runs I never manage to get blood orbs untill late game after wating a good 30 minutes for the blood moon to finally spawn

[crude geode]

since it gives you a chat message
FTFY

[small timber]

you need to be absurdly unlucky for bloodmoon to never occur once in pre-HM, let alone until post-2 mechs

[shrewd pike]

I'm saying it does spawn but when it does you most likely underground or somewhere that is not the surface

[small timber]

if you WAIT for it of course it will feel long, on a normal course of the game it almost certainly will happen

[crude geode]

Most players are going to go up for money trough and get 5 blood orbs

[small timber]

magic mirror, recall potion, just get back to the surface

and you cant find excuse for it since the starter bag give you some, and you get a lot more throughout exploring

[shrewd pike]

Wait the starter bag gives you blood orbs?

[small timber]

it give you recall potion to get you back to surface, since you said you are stucked underground

if it is 50 blood orbs ya it can be unreasonable, 5 blood orbs to certain extend will be excuse for laziness

[shrewd pike]

I guess im just a lazy guy who avoids blood moon early game since the only item it drops that I care about would be the blood orbs. But I can see why others go for it, such as that pig truffle

[small timber]

ya, because the cost is really not high, 25 enemy (especially now that blood moon need 200 max hp to occur so you should be able to fight), is not really a significant time spent

on max you need 5 minutes, with Death Mode activated you probably need 30 sec to kill 25 enemies

[shrewd pike]

I guess on my next run ill have to watch for the blood moon since I almost never go up to get blood orbs since their use is more midgame. For me at least

[small timber]

since there is message pop up so you probably will see it, otherwise the water turn red is also an indicator, generally recalling and just kill some enemies and you will have enough

[dense ferry]

Wait

Fuck

I just noticed I misnumbered the amout of items on my sugg

[muted osprey]

crafting three

[dense ferry]

I wrote that at the afternoon

How did I fuck it up this hard?

[muted osprey]

trolled I think

[grave zinc]

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[dense ferry]

Lessgo

[cobalt heath]

this

this is good

[sleek wadi]

Poggers

[dusty path]

Yay

[dusty path]

Also perfect

[dusty path]

The reason for this is that I accidentally crafted a second miracle fruit even when I already ate it

[crude geode]

@glad cape why

[glad cape]

coins are so easy to farm whenever you get to a certain point

so there should be higher tier coins so you don't have infinite coins lying around

[cobalt pewter]

more like fix economy then

[glad cape]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

no point in having new coins

[crude geode]

It’s fine? You can stack up to like 999 plat coins and at that point you’re pretty much farming for it

[cobalt pewter]

999 plat is way too much even in cal

[frozen hornet]

There are only 4 coin slots for 4 types of coin

[eternal escarp]

yeah theres no real point to add more coins it would fix nothing

[glad cape]

what about new currency...?

[eternal escarp]

what would that fix?

[glad cape]

idek

[crude geode]

Don’t make a suggestion just to make a suggestion

[frozen hornet]

Suggs are supposed to solve problems, if there's no problem to solve there's no need for suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

economy isn't as messy as vanilla now that reforging isn't cringe and arma farm dies

and I think eow and boc no longer drops demonite / crimtane on segment kills

[frozen hornet]

Yes

[hardy dock]

Yeah I got 1500 plat just in my time trying to get Hardmode boss trophies lmfao

[unique reef]

Pumpkin Moon + Auto sell = M O N E Y

[onyx wigeon]

money hasnt been a problem in calamity at all for me

[dense ferry]

Hum, yes

[fossil bronze]

that is not a suggestion

[dense ferry]

Indeed it's not

Not a suggestion + Don't + Subjective

[grim tusk]

@nimble obsidian bad sugg

[cobalt pewter]

L + ratio + whatever

[grim tusk]

also if you feel its too easy play on higher difficulties

[inland saddle]

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen something that just isn’t a suggestion in posting lol

[dense ferry]

And if then it's too easy, congratulations, you're good at the game

[cobalt pewter]

@nimble obsidian

• wrong formatting
• actual complaint and not a constructive suggestion
• cope

[fossil bronze]

also yharon still has the same amount of health

removing the healing from him didn't make him easier lol

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785614289456070718/958784784153321512/cope.gif

[nimble obsidian]

👍

[frozen hornet]

When yharon doesn't heal anymore (they didn't realize his health was doubled)

[nimble obsidian]

I did a duo with a friend that's probably the reason why since I think it bugs there??

[grim tusk]

also if you want Prov to have insane healing just play death+

[nimble obsidian]

Yeah I try malic noe

[grim tusk]

and everything is easier with friends lol

[frozen hornet]

Never heard of that bug

[nimble obsidian]

We restricted usage of nurse a tad bit since it was vile cheese and gave up after 3 deaths

[frozen hornet]

Also this lol

[grim tusk]

Yharon has no bugs atm

[frozen hornet]

You practically can't lose if you have like 4 friends

[grim tusk]

only 3?

[nimble obsidian]

Die tp back eith max hp

[frozen hornet]

Literally 3

[nimble obsidian]

Yeah it's just lame cringe no actual fight tbh

[grim tusk]

no wonder it was so easy, nurse cheese go brr

use boss effects and play on death mode

[fossil bronze]

"yharon is too easy" cheeses the fight

[nimble obsidian]

Yeah I'm doing that

[frozen hornet]

well you can't expect multiplayer to be as good of an experience as singleplayer

[nimble obsidian]

Yeah sadly

Terraria is fun eith friends just not the same feeling

Also the lsg is terrible

[small timber]

wait you used "we", are you playing multiplayer?

[frozen hornet]

Also how is the progression easier

If anything it's harder since you can't just melt yharon with auric gear

[nimble obsidian]

Auric requires 1 less armor piece, made more bars from less ingredients

There's more but igtg

[frozen hornet]

I don't see how that really matters

[nimble obsidian]

I play the game not the mod

[frozen hornet]

that's just taking out a little bit of the grind since old auric was dumb

[nimble obsidian]

I like being rewarded for effort

[cobalt pewter]

?????????????????????

what

[small timber]

calamity is balanced around singleplayer not multiplayer, especially with recent change that explicity make survival stronger

[frozen hornet]

yeah but at least 4000 other people hated it

[cobalt pewter]

I fail to understand this sentence

[small timber]

do not expect the mod to be challenging for multiplayer when it is not balanced around multiplayer whatsoever

[frozen hornet]

I liked old auric but I'm glad to see it go

[cobalt pewter]

auric tesla is still ass

[dense ferry]

Confusion 2

[frozen hornet]

Auric recipe not armor stinke

[nimble obsidian]

The game overall is basically just using every mechanic to achieve an end goal, playing the mod is practically neglecting old mechanics and having things be given without much effort or gameplay

[cobalt pewter]

auric tesla is still just an overpriced kindergarten's arts n craft project

[fossil bronze]

what do you mean "without much effort or gameplay"

[nimble obsidian]

Ehhh I spent 30 minutes on it last time I found it fun needless

[frozen hornet]

Neglecting which mechanics?

[fossil bronze]

you still have to do things just like you did before

[frozen hornet]

you haven't said in specific

[nimble obsidian]

Kill boss get weapon progress

[dense ferry]

That's

[nimble obsidian]

That's it

[small timber]

all "new" calamity did is make rng bullshit materials less rng and generally require less materials, you still have to grind for it just not as much

[fossil bronze]

that's always been a problem with post-ml calamity

[dense ferry]

The base game

As well

[fossil bronze]

that's not a new thing

[frozen hornet]

Also I don't remember a single change that made it too different

[small timber]

unless your idea of the entire game is just how much grind you need to do

[nimble obsidian]

Ehhh last time fighting providence I've had 3 days mostly because I kept getting hit by everything

[small timber]

and this just mean the weapon are more balanced because boss drop used to be completely shit, now they are viable

you have theoption to still craft the many weapon available

[frozen hornet]

wh what

How does that relate to what I said

[nimble obsidian]

Just yesterday I beat the post moonlord in like 4 hours it really wasn't much

[frozen hornet]

I'm so confused

[dense ferry]

Congrats

You're a veteran

[nimble obsidian]

It feels different j guess

Not much I could say

[frozen hornet]

what

What feels different

[small timber]

or you just got better at the game while complaining a difficulty for being too low

[nimble obsidian]

The fight overall

[dense ferry]

You are basically complaining that the game got easier/faster now that you finished it

[small timber]

because the "new" calamity on revengeance, especially post-ML is much harder than the "old" calamity post-ML

[frozen hornet]

So

How does that relate to the progression you mentioned

[nimble obsidian]

I remember a time having to use a slime strategy to fight yhsron but now all I had to do was dash opposite direction of his dash and move up

Last time it was hell trying to just move UP

[frozen hornet]

Fights change all the time

if anything that just means it's less unfair

[small timber]

old yharon was duke v2.0 I dont understand how you can't move up

[nimble obsidian]

You get dark sun shit right after DOG so I had ark of elements for yharon fight so it was incredibly easy

Also why do I get a free parry

[frozen hornet]

Ark of.... elements??

[nimble obsidian]

Just a win right there

[frozen hornet]

That thing's early post-ML

Not Post-DoG

[small timber]

everything got rebalanced, including dark sun shit, they are balanced for post-DOG (not post Yharon- phase 1 now)

[nimble obsidian]

I forgor the name but the combination of Galaxia and ark of smthn idk

[small timber]

so supposedly it should not matter (since you are not getting post-Yharon stuff), unless the weapon itself is extremely overpowered

[frozen hornet]

I'm so lost

[dense ferry]

Ark of the Cosmos

[nimble obsidian]

Yeah thay

Ty

[dense ferry]

The Parry mechanic is just

[frozen hornet]

AotC is post yharon

[nimble obsidian]

Oh shoot it is

[frozen hornet]

You can't use it on yharon

bruggggggghhhh

[dense ferry]

"Hit that special blow and you get stronger for the next hits"

[nimble obsidian]

Wait nono I forgot the name aghhh

[frozen hornet]

You seriously trying to suggest things when you forgot half the game

[nimble obsidian]

I have bad memory I'm sorry bro

[frozen hornet]

get better memory bro

not too hard

[nimble obsidian]

It's just a suggestion im not being aggressive about it anyeays

[frozen hornet]

Well it's not really a suggestion

[nimble obsidian]

Like it's gonna happen lol

[golden tulip]

what even is this, nostalgia channel or suggestions discussion

[nimble obsidian]

How is it not

[frozen hornet]

You're just saying what you think

Without.... suggesting a way to fix it

[nimble obsidian]

That's a suggestion

[golden tulip]

what

no its not

[frozen hornet]

no it's not wh

[nimble obsidian]

A suggestion is what could improve the game and overall experience

What you think is what tou find could be changed

Idk man I'm not an English major just a dude enjoying a game

[golden tulip]

the changes that have been made since whatever year you are talking about have objectively improved postml

[small timber]

you have to be more specific what you are asking

to me right now all you said is basically "change is bad"

[frozen hornet]

telling what you think is wrong doesn't really help fix it as much as giving suggestions on how to fix it though

[nimble obsidian]

I just found the changes to feel odd that's it

[golden tulip]

whether or not the bosses are more fun is subjective but they were definitely made less bs

[nimble obsidian]

Make malic the bs and I'd be happy

I love going though hell

[golden tulip]

malice is bs

[nimble obsidian]

Sounds fun

I go to class now bye bye

[frozen hornet]

well I have bad news for you

[small timber]

I mean I had seen people use Luiafk unlimited buff to doublestack potion + asphalt platform and call malice too easy but ya not sure if is the case

[dense ferry]

The Calamity Player Mindset

[frozen hornet]

loves going through hell (except the hell that is grinding and f*shing)

(and the hell that is making arenas, planting herbs, bu*lding, fucking tank builds of all things because no damage)

[dense ferry]

(And dodging Bosses that barely allow for reaction)

((It's hard and they feel rewarded by their effort))

[wind rune]

Ah yes, neglecting killing bosses, going through events, fishing, mining, building arenas and such

[nimble obsidian]

If you play pure calamity yeah that's part but who rhe hell doesn't run at least vein miner or magic storage

[grim tusk]

what the fuck is magic storage

vein miner?

[nimble obsidian]

I'm passing everywhere

No way

Pissing

[grim tusk]

The only thing i know for real is Where's my items

[wind rune]

Ah, I see then

So it's an issue with QoL mods then, not calamity itself

[grim tusk]

bombs

[nimble obsidian]

I run like 2 mods that make progression somewhat less brain dead

I hate early game

So much

[frail mantle]

early game do be the worst part of the whole game

[nimble obsidian]

Fr

[wind rune]

That is true

[grim tusk]

nah, post-Scal/Draedon sucks more

[nimble obsidian]

Because the game is over 😭

[grim tusk]

TRUE

[nimble obsidian]

I grow attached to a majority of my characters

It's funny but

Ehh

[cobalt heath]

funny if it was an actual sugg it would still be illegal

sus sug

[cobalt pewter]

so TRUE

magic storage is for babies

(which is unfortunately pretty fitting to the average playerbase)

[ashen warren]

this

isnt even a suggestion lol

“I am nostalgic for old calamity”

This is

The entire “suggestion”.

[hot zephyr]

just

play on the old versions

[tribal dust]

heya what should i use for profaned guardians as a ranger currently have vortex armor and shredder

sorry

nobody answered me there thought this was okay to ask here

[hollow shell]

I assume people have already yelled at Arthur enough for their suggestion

[frail mantle]

they have

[hollow shell]

I'll delete it then

Also wow @weak kettle are you serious?
I've heard a lot of complaints about Polter's difficulty

Granted it could have been nerfed recently and I'm unaware of it

But are you playing raw Calamity?
(or do you have stuff like Fargo's Souls or LuiAFK or AlchNPC custom potions, that could end up trivializing the fight?)

[ashen warren]

i mean polters dashes were apparently made trivial

and with stuff not bouncing anymore its not as hard to dodge it

[hollow shell]

This probably did it

[mossy badge]

bullethell game players on their way to join every video game discord server and suggest making the game harder:

[crude geode]

So true

[ashen warren]

early hm sucks the most

[gentle chasm]

rover do you like my suggestion

[grim tusk]

@wicked moon pretty sure thats a dont, yes it is

check the pinned doc

[wicked moon]

yeah I didn't look at it until after I posted lol

[hollow shell]

Why is everybody not realizing how suggs should be formatted recently

high 🗜️ content

[grim tusk]

high ❗ content as well

[cobalt pewter]

the ability to read is quite a privilege I presume

[hollow shell]

Seriously

@wicked moon @fluid geyser Your suggestions are formatted incorrectly.

You need a title line at the top, with your reason/elaboration below, separated by a line break (Shift+Enter)

[fluid geyser]

yep, i was just about to fix it

[fossil bronze]

pretty sure someone already said that vanilla armor sets won't be re-classed

not sure when though

[fluid geyser]

its more than armor, but i was giving an example.

[fossil bronze]

i was talking about the suggestion above yours lol

[fluid geyser]

mb

[grim tusk]

If meteor is getting nerfed, it will just be nerfed

No config

Same for other balance configs

No one will use the worse stuff over just being strong

Why do you think lethal lava got removed

[crude geode]

Are configs still not a part of the don’t list

[gray nebula]

I hope configs never make it to the don't list

Configs are awesome

[fossil bronze]

they all get denied though

[grim tusk]

Balance configs should be a dont (people will just use the easiest option, which is why lethal lava just got ditched)

Other configs yea fine

[crude geode]

I assume there have been suggs about other configs but I cannot recall any that haven’t been about balance

Probably just dementia kicking in

[small timber]

Isnt the suggestion gonna make space gun even worse (when it is already not particularly good)?

[fossil bronze]

doesn't calamity already nerf meteor+space gun or am i remembering wrong

[small timber]

No infinite mana with space gun, but ya calamity already added a lot of stuff that is better than space gun

And removing piercing kinda just turn it into a musket

Also a config to change a calamity specific nerf/change to basicslly another version of calamity specific nerf/change is counterintuitive

[hollow shell]

Hm
@fluid geyser Your suggestion could be improved. You say to make the Meteor nerf a config option, yet to also provide an alternative nerf?
And your title line definitely could be less broad

[small timber]

I will be honest there is not much vanilla armor nerf that will be configable (without breaking the balance), meteor set, titanium set (which is deliberately done), and the rest are like vanilla summoner armor where they have less minion slot (which is also deliberately done), unless you also count old one's army armor nerf (where they no longer give 20 hp regen by combining parts)

most other vanilla armor change are in fact buff in some way

and also ya double tester's work

[proud quest]

buff galaxia

shit is ass

[hollow shell]

If you can provide DPS values and boss kill times, you can post it as a suggestion.

[proud quest]

how do i do that

[hollow shell]

You can get DPS using a Super Dummy and just wearing the DPS Meter while you attack it
Generally boss kill times are more helpful

You can get that just by starting a timer when you summon the boss, fight it using only Galaxia, and then stop the timer when it dies

(there are mods that do this automatically, if you want. I think Nycro's No-Hit Efficiency mod is the one)

[proud quest]

do i have to beat it legit or just god mode it and do as much damage as i can

[hollow shell]

Recommended to do it legit
But if you do God Mode then still try to move around and dodge as if you were a normal player

[proud quest]

ok

[proud quest]

the problem is the dps isnt bad, its the range of it

like

i cant fight yharon with this

so what do i do for dps scaling for bosses like yharon

[hollow shell]

Does that apply for all of the attunements?

[proud quest]

pretty much yeah

i feel like it would work better if the bosses didnt favor far ranged weapons

[small timber]

all enchantment are like yoyo range max so ya, it has range issue

[hollow shell]

I see, I see

[proud quest]

all i really wish for a buff is just

longer range

maybe an extra long range attack

and it does more dps up close

[hollow shell]

Maybe then doing a legitimate fight would be a good idea
and trying with other longer range weapons too

Not just a test of DPS but also a test of survivability

[proud quest]

because previous biome blades had it

[proud quest]

alright

[small timber]

seeing as how it is designed longer range is probably unlikely, but if it has enough dps to compensate lack of range I think it will be fine

[proud quest]

either that or the other way around

but yeah

[proud quest]

ill try

meh

[proud quest]

do i record

[hollow shell]

Not necessary but if you have the means then it'd be nice to have

[proud quest]

ok what boss do i test it on

yharon?

[hollow shell]

Probably yeah, being the next major boss post-DoG

[proud quest]

aight

[hollow shell]

and actually uhh

being the only boss to fight Galaxia with

currently

Cuz AotC is made using Auric Bars which are post-Yharon

[proud quest]

yeah

[frozen hornet]

I didn't find the range to be all that bad

the yoyoblade and spinny spinny attunement did pretty good on yharon

Though the ground pound and charge shot were hard to hit

since he dashes at you you can get hits with the blade while it spins around and the yoyo can reach him if you keep him on screen

[gray nebula]

Melee players when they have to use melee range

Like fr id argue that if the range is an issue, its exactly everything else that should be buffed then

and by everything else i mean, the damage

like, balance it to be stronger than the safer options at the tier

[frozen hornet]

The damage was

Actually I think I got a screenshot somewhere

[dense ferry]

I agree with iBan there

It's definetly hard to, y'know

Play Melee since it involves a lot of weaving back and forth

But it's Melee

[frozen hornet]

[gray nebula]

Also i mean the testers didn't seem to struggle that hard with the range but maybe its cuz they were skilled and do nohits and stuff but yeah yea,h yeah

[dense ferry]

Yeah, probably

[gray nebula]

Sounds like someone is bad at the game lmao

[frozen hornet]

Granted I was going mostly tank

[dense ferry]

[frozen hornet]

7 minutes is quite funny though

[dense ferry]

But I think Ark is amazing 👍

Actually Melee weapon wtf

[frozen hornet]

AotC is balling

[dense ferry]

Besides, I am learning how to play with these weapons. It's still hard but nothing impossible. I just think some Bosses are too punishing for staying up close

[gray nebula]

thje saddest part abotu the projectile sword debate is that projectile swords can feel awesome but the issue is that theres so many of them and the projectiles always feel so weak it kinda muddies it up super hard, like, just compare it to dark soulds' moonlight greatsword where its ranged projectile feels badass as fudge because its way different than all the other swords

[proud quest]

well i learned that for yharon but its ass when it comes to dog i wasted all of my bars on this just for it to be outclassed by a polterghast drop

[frozen hornet]

Fair

I mean different weapons do better in different situations so l

[small timber]

I mean if a weapon requires nohitter level of skill level to sufficiently used it is probably near unusable for average player

[dense ferry]

I am using it efficiently

So

[small timber]

what is your kill time? if it is within 5/ 5:30 I think it is acceptable

since nohitter probably get down to 3/3:30 (at least I assume), it just have to do enough for average player to use it

[dense ferry]

Not talking about PML

I'm currently Post Plantera, so ye

[small timber]

oh I thought you are referring to galaxia on yharon

[dense ferry]

For Yharon it should be very wack

Considering he has a billion contact damage

[small timber]

I think fireball is more of a problem (especially compact one), but ya I think most player will be unable to stay close on yharon

[dense ferry]

Oh, yeah, the Bullet Hells as well

[small timber]

considering nohitters is always a minority, no matter how it is preceived

[dense ferry]

I think not even Nohitters could consistently do True Melee Yharon

Unless a very vocal minority

Of the likes of Xyk

[frozen hornet]

It doesn't

I just hold click and point at the big bird until it dies

[small timber]

no I mean using it at the consideration that yharon forced you away

so basically you have to be skilled enough to stay relatively close at yharon during bullet hell and his horizontal flare attack, at least that is what I was told when testing yoyo for my suggestion (as it is a similar case with weapon of limited range)

[frozen hornet]

Okay fair

During the bullet hell I just run away until yharon comes to me himself, usually while there are still fireballs flying around

[hot zephyr]

dont worry

pixl and I did yhermo lol

[unique vector]

pixl is a god gamer

[distant gyro]

ian nohitter confirme

[ruby plover]

ooooo i love this suggestion

much better than like, a thanatos telegraph for example. would feel too out of place imo

[small timber]

ya I wish it would happen

[grim tusk]

True

[ruby plover]

it's good that you kept it simple, i am PRAYING this one gets thru

[small timber]

currently Destroyer is very painful

[ruby plover]

bruh i nohit malice 1.5.1 destroyer. it mentally destroyed me

i know the pain

[small timber]

I think the current version is actually worse, because it is just 1.5.1 destroyer but with 1 extra laser barrage from mouth

[grim tusk]

But when used right Yharon gets fucking nuked
Also they give iframes lol

[small timber]

rev is toned down, but death (therefore malice) is literally 1.5.1 destroyer

but he is bigger and 1 extra laser

[ruby plover]

the probe stacked lasers are also a bit

quickly turns into a bullet hell if you can't take out the probes quick

then again, you can now hit them as soon as they pop out of the body, so maybe that has made it better

[small timber]

it is not that much better, because the mouth laser is 100 time harder to deal with

previously in malice you can just get far away, the mouth laser is designed to literally snipe you if you are far away

so you can't escape from it (or rely on super human reflexes) and have to stay close (while dealing with probes and body laser)

[frozen hornet]

How did you do it?

[grim tusk]

The desert attunement rewards agressive play

The other is about timing and positioning
Get yharon near a wall or floor right before an attack that makes it stand still, charge the floor to spawn monoliths and it takes a lot of damage

[distant gyro]

polaris abuse

[grim tusk]

You can also ram through Yharon with it

If need be

[frozen hornet]

Ah so just what I thought

[grim tusk]

Dealing good damage

[frozen hornet]

do the monoliths appear on walls?

[grim tusk]

Yes

Ceiling even

[frozen hornet]

Awesome

[small timber]

wait galaxia right, which one is spawn monolith?

andromeda?

[frozen hornet]

the uhh

Idk the names

[distant gyro]

yes

phoenix = whirl
aries = throw
polaris = held
andromeda = launch

[cobalt heath]

Did the sugg about cnid spawn getting less freguent go trough

[keen zealot]

no

#suggestions-voting message not sure if this was already talked about since I don't have time to skim through literally thousands of messages but this seems more like an argument for making other weapons on that tier better, not just making this one weapon more accessible

#suggestions-voting message based and redpilled. PLEASE let this one get through if anything

[gray nebula]

stop posting abotu useturn im tired of seeing it

isnt useturn good???

Since it lets you aim independently of where you run

[small timber]

I think most poeple complain about it for pre-HM sword, where having useturn basically make true melee unviable for some boss (as your melee aim direction is stucked at the direction you are walking to)

basically it is a nerf to "true" true melee (particularly broadsword like blade of grass, hellkite etc) but is completely fine for "fake" true melee like omniblade and ark

tldr broadsword sucks

[gray nebula]

wait but

but

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759234723322134568/942135277621739550/ezgif.com-gif-maker_35.gif

What

I thought useturn made you turn in the direction of the used item

Like , it said it here

that it makes you turn in the direction youre swinging in

I Fucking hate melee players

With their stupid fucking useturn debates that are the total opposite of straighftforward

[fossil bronze]

code name moment

[small timber]

I mean you have to ask true melee expert for what exactly use turn does but the video is only showing how it currently is, I am only copiuming at the corner with my yoyos

[cobalt pewter]

broadswords are inherently flawed

[fossil bronze]

why?

[cobalt pewter]

yes

I'm saying in the scope of vanilla's implementation of "broadsword"

apparently ark line is not a traditional "broadsword"

[small timber]

traditional broadsword is basically overhead swing sword that is affected by melee speed, when you add projectile shooting capability to broadsword apparently they are able to turn to your cursor direction (therefore you can shoot projectile at enemy freely), therefore the problem is mostly with true melee only broadsword

ark is kinda like murasama where it have a custom attack animation that is completely different from broadsword (and is also unaffected by melee speed at all)

[gray nebula]

gigachad melee speed is a silly stat

Also its more like a spear than a murasama well i mean both are kinda the same theyre just projectiles

[small timber]

melee speed stacking is completely stupid

like tipsy give 10%, bloody worm scarf for some reason 10%, and armor set just give melee speed like it is a free stat

[cobalt heath]

Cnid needs good drops if it spawn is that freguents as it is atm

Cause now like, it drops amidas spark

Thats it

And its spawns really often and is kinda Hard to deal whit

@ashen warren we played yesterday and saw the issue

[quaint kernel]

i kinda wanna add a suggestion for reducing the movement speed and damage increase early game

but would people actually vote for that

[small timber]

similar suggestion is already made (and didnt get enough vote)

also I dont think there is damage increase

[quaint kernel]

nah im playing malice mode and got a zombie arm really early so now im mowing through every enemy

i think its a bit excessive

[cobalt pewter]

that's just true melee balance being funky

bosses over enemies

[small timber]

that one is a completely different deal with the movement speed increase, it is just part of weapon rebalance

[quaint kernel]

wait now that you say that that makes a lot of sense

didnt really have a problem with any magic weapons so far

[small timber]

basically they massively buff many true melee weapon so that they are actually usable (but likely demolish normal enemy)

[cobalt pewter]

also weren't movespeed modifiers nerfed already?

[quaint kernel]

maybe i could add a suggestion to only enable that buff when fighting a boss?

[small timber]

they nerfed Quick (and MS on accessory), not the MS you get at the beginning of the game

[small timber]

that will be unlikely, because they have to rebalance 90% of true melee weapon pre-HM

you can suggest the nerf MS one as config (although chance of it get enough vote is slim), but the weapon one is straight up not happening

[quaint kernel]

MS?

[half sage]

sending true melee testers back to the testing mines

[small timber]

movement speed

[half sage]

[small timber]

although considering similar suggestion had been made in the pass (and like all of them failed to get enough vote), you can try but I will say it will be rough

[quaint kernel]

yeah maybe

ill try

[small timber]

since you are playing malice just focus on bosses and don't care about normal enemy

because basically the only issue you are encountering is just true melee having super high damage early, but true melee is like meme tier unviable against bosses so it will not be a significant problem to your progression

[quaint kernel]

good point

i added a suggestion about movement speed tho

[small timber]

Also while not directly related, you cant really run away from enemy (as in by pure movement speed), the problem is more with the fact that bottle/balloon accessories are completely busted with movement speed and jump speed

[digital saddle]

true melee issue

[hot zephyr]

No balance configs

N o

the changes to movement speed actually make movement accessories matter more, things like aglet/anklet essentially did nothing but now they're substantial

and like

zombie arm being an effective melee weapon?

a lot of garbage broadswords have an actual benefit for being in close range instead of just being inferior to projectile swords in literally every way now

a majority of earlygame broadswords had absolutely no reason to be used whatsoever

literally zero
when a lead bow with frostburn arrows was superior to 95% of pre boss broadswords

[grim tusk]

balance configs don't when

[ruby plover]

@honest sleet that's a SIS (specific item suggestion), read the doc in the pins. also, dev tier (shadowspec) items cant be suggested

also i think this sugg just breaks a few extra don'ts here and there

[grim tusk]

@unique vector SIS

[west jackal]

April fools was yesterday

[small timber]

Ya I cant really just say "no balance config" since it is not a dont, also when will config for shadow potion invis be frequently suggested

[cobalt pewter]

@warped tide bean is a demonic entity

(it's very good)

(mainly the same reason slimy saddle is good)

locking it to oreos rematch is kinda weird tho ye

[warped tide]

Yeah Im getting this elaborated to me now but
Ive never seen

anyone use it

ever

[cobalt pewter]

then again it's probably astrageldon reference

[warped tide]

I mean I know its not going everywhere because Dev Item

so like I was thinking like a lil more incentive to slay the beast?

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't played the game myself in a long while, but n*hitters use bean a lot, tho idk if casuals use these often

[warped tide]

besides the portal gun’s fallspeed at the push of a button

[cobalt pewter]

but again most mounts suck aside from a select few

so it's likely they used bean

[warped tide]

honestly the only two mounts ive seen nohitters use is the Unicorn and Slime

so I can see how they would love the bean

[cobalt pewter]

basically

[warped tide]

Wait doesn’t the Normality also increase fall speed?

and its available as soon as you kill moon lord????

man

and its also at the press of a button… and grants a teleport….

ignore the cooldown

[small timber]

Considering using full world slanted platform is apparently just the standard now slime mount is going way more rampant (since you can reset flight easily and also free fall) for nohit

NR got a 15 sec CD nerf so it cannot really be used just for fall speed

[warped tide]

Yeah true

And from a casual standpoint I have to kill a 450,000+ HP boss that is already not that fun to fight, again

personally, bean is not worth it

[grim tusk]

Bean is literally known as :TheEnvodimentOfEvil: in Cal nohit lounge

Also bean is fucking goated

[warped tide]

Cool, noted and added a tidbit at the end

[grim tusk]

That tidbit makes the sugg worse

I just used it as an argument here to explain that that thing is very good

But making actual suggs with noh*tting is bad

[warped tide]

noted (again AAA) will remove

I dont know much on how the handle this thing because

Its a dev item

[grim tusk]

You need permission from that dev

[warped tide]

that appeals to a smaller portion of the community

[grim tusk]

Also you should read the sugg doc

[hollow shell]

Indeed

I'll delete it now

[warped tide]

Wait would this basicly be the equivilent of asking for non dev content with Shadowspec Bars because if it is Ill delete it and be on my way

[small timber]

I mean why are you deleting the mount, when your suggestion was about fighting buff aureus being not worth it

Just keep the mount and suggest it to drop more things

And the "no offense to the dev part" can be deleted as it is not really useful for the suggestion, I think just focus on the reward you want is enough

[warped tide]

Im not saying I want to delete the mount, Im saying like, Mount + Something else

thats

[warped tide]

literally

this

ghaaa

[small timber]

I mean I saw this so I assumed you want to do something with the mount

[warped tide]

ok updated a bit

Made the "Not deleting bean" part clear

[frozen hornet]

I personally think it should be bluish

[small timber]

maybe, no matter what I think the current one is just way too missable

enrage is somewhat fine (although it is actually not that good), but defense/DR unless you know it is added you will not notice it

[cobalt pewter]

@cobalt heath don't use acronyms in the post title

otherwise it's fine

[cobalt heath]

whats the acronym

there

[cobalt pewter]

qb

[cobalt heath]

ooh

[fleet igloo]

Is it possible to just go "make Queen Bee larva not so easily destroyed"

[cobalt heath]

i didnt remember the name

ill change it

[fleet igloo]

Since this applies to pretty much any attack that passes through walls

[cobalt heath]

that is just the sugg, this has happened to me twice in 10 mins

[fleet igloo]

Though I'm not sure if the reasoning can be not just "QoL", especially since the manual summon is already unconsumable

[cobalt heath]

i think 1.4 changes how larva works too

idr

[frozen hornet]

I accidentally spawned 4 queen bees while doing infernum pbg

[cobalt heath]

still made the sugg ill go back to playing

[frozen hornet]

hyperius bullets moment

[fossil bronze]

the larva should just require a pick to break imo
but idk if that's doable in calamity

[cobalt pewter]

I don't see how it's not doable, but it's terraria

need to expect every possibility

[fossil finch]

It's doable

Some mod does it

[tardy smelt]

[cobalt pewter]

Rework the original Soul Artifacts (Dimensional, Eldritch and Godly) to be more interesting.

2 of these Soul Artifacts (Dimensional and Eldritch) are only stat sticks, and the other one (Godly) feels way too restrictive in use. Reworking these Soul Artifacts in a way that doesn't make them either too restrictive or bland would make them more interesting.

...idk?

original Soul Artifacts as in those that were used for future bosses (so no Profaned)

[small timber]

for some reason everytime artifcat suggestion get into voting it always get super small amount of vote

either people simply don't care about it or nohitter don't want dimensional to get touched

meanwhile godly is probably not changing anytime soon

[half sage]

technically nothing is changing anytime soon because the 1.4 port will be as-is, with changes coming after it's done

[small timber]

ya, considering this batch of suggestion straigh up did not get response that probably played a part too

(or bot broken who knows)

[grim tusk]

Bot is not broken

When the sugg is on a tie

[small timber]

I think bot actually didnt post this time? since in voting it already have devs reaction

the only one that didnt have a reaction is rework/remove terra edge, yoyo bag denied, all others 👍

[cobalt pewter]

meh

ESA suggs in #suggestions-voting never got to dev too

even one with the new bot

oh well, I guess those things are bound to be forgotten

might as well get rid of them

[cobalt pewter]

I think it'd be great if rogue stealth is just

not tied to set bonuses

but otherwise this sugg is alright I think?

[digital saddle]

i think stealth could easily just be set to the same amount for all armor sets

and balanced around that

but thats an entirely different sugg

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it should be a separate topic

[gray nebula]

but what prevents it from building up for players that don t play rogue huh

HUH

[digital saddle]

i said in the sugg

[grim tusk]

Then silencing sheath line and EE become even more of a must use

[gray nebula]

i did not read the sugg

[digital saddle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759234723322134568/942135277621739550/ezgif.com-gif-maker_35.gif

relatable

[gray nebula]

ok i missed it, still feels scuffey

[cobalt pewter]

I think not limiting stealth to set bonuses then giving the pieces small amount of stealth (enough to use them in the first place) would be nice

set bonus would still hold a big chunk of the armor's stealth, but now it's not mandatory to have

[cobalt pewter]

silencing sheath is part of ee

🚎

but yes

[gray nebula]

its mostly like that because of the hilarious 5 helmet armor sets

if i had to guess

[distant gyro]

no?

ee = ethereal extorter

[grim tusk]

Me when you can gain up to 70 stealth with accs

[cobalt pewter]

wait

oh I mixed it up with

[distant gyro]

lol

[cobalt pewter]

eclipse mirror

terror

but otherwise yes

[cobalt pewter]

more reasons for this mold to just die

[distant gyro]

just give players a 0 base stealth while holding a rogue weapon

(real)

[cobalt pewter]

[cobalt pewter]

rotten dogtooth breaks the game

the true terror