night's edge may not be corruption theme, but it is also stupid
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
cobalt pewter
idk
cobalt pewter
night's edge may not be corruption theme, but it is also stupid
maybe
distant gyro
grass + fire +evil + wacky dungeon sword = ???
crude geode
night's edge may not be corruption theme, but it is also stupid
so true
hot zephyr
but yeah, to bookend this incredibly long offtopic tangent
melee weapons with interesting concepts have a lot of room to be expanded upon and could be upgraded and modernized
there are some bland weapons that could probably just be fused into one singular weapon (see all the Fire swords)
and then there's the Blade of Enmity which goes into the garbage
frozen hornet
Is animus one of fab's dev items?
hot zephyr
fab doesn't like it either
cobalt pewter
most of fab's dev items are confusing
frozen hornet
fab doesn't like it either
lmao kil
cobalt pewter
I think he only stated to have 2 (?) dev items?
frozen hornet
Fabstaff and uhh
cobalt pewter
Azathoth?
hot zephyr
there's some weapons that are dedicated to him due to him creating them and being in the dev tier despite not being dedicated
animus is ancient
moral of the story? if iban reworks a sword to have eight modes again and has me test them I will send him to the shadow realm (jk ur cool choomfie)
crude geode
i would like it if melee bias wasn't as strong, but then again mana rework needs to happen and summoner ai needs to not be pain to work with so it's a uphill battle
hot zephyr
melee bias is 15% truth 85% figment of #suggestions-discussion imagination
cobalt pewter
at least stealth got the better end of its whole shebang early on
just needs extensive testing
crude geode
melee bias is 15% truth 85% figment of <#465195069406707722> imagination
for me it's currently being reinforced with like ark and biome blade line rework.
hot zephyr
the likelihood of future reworks being to that scale is slim to none
crude geode
indeed
hot zephyr
why are these things getting reworked?
crude geode
bc cringe weapons
hot zephyr
because they're 1. old 2. in desperate need of reworks and 3. doesn't necessitate fundamental changes to class mechanics like mana
crude geode
yeah mana rework is gonna take a while
hot zephyr
mana rework is an eldritch abomination that nobody actually understands the scale of, devs included
it'd be so huge I actually
really don't want it to happen lmao
crude geode
an interesting opinion
hot zephyr
summon ais will get better with time
fleet igloo
What's the mana rework going to be like
hot zephyr
idk lmfao
cobalt pewter
I wonder how bad the backlash will be if rogue will become full on stealth
unrelated question
totally
frail mantle
Imagine if mage became artificer risk of rain 2 and every weapon got a cool down that made you cycle between different weapons
hot zephyr
i think rogue will kinda always lean more towards stealth
that's the preferable option
cobalt pewter
Imagine if mage became artificer risk of rain 2 and every weapon got a cool down...
terraria players
hate cooldowns
hot zephyr
in terms of class changes I think stealth in general needs tuning in regards to building
the rogue potions need to die
frail mantle
Terraria players hate the game as well
cobalt pewter
Terraria players hate the game as well
so true
hot zephyr
the rogue potions need to die x2
cobalt pewter
in terms of class changes I think stealth in general needs tuning in regards to ...
which ones? invis and shadow?
because yes
hot zephyr
stealth generation potions fall into the same trap as mana regen
the coin of deceit line is too mandatory
stealth acc stacking is too potent
cobalt pewter
the coin of deceit line is too mandatory
yeah these are plain too strong, the way they evolve is just also weird
Dark god memes
hot zephyr
i'd rather see changes to rogue than mage
from a mechanical standpoint
the class is too dependent on accessories
what were introduced as unique options for the class have ironically shrunk the variety for rogue specifically
especially in areas like phm where the movement floor and ceiling are miles apart and are reliant on using a bunch of accessories
hot zephyr
not really because most of this is known
cobalt pewter
the accs are funny on rogue
small timber
is abyssal mirror included in the list?
cobalt pewter
there are the stupid ones like Eclipse Mirror line, or actually worthless ones like Venerated Locket
hot zephyr
not really because most of this is known
one of the reasons I requested Storm be promoted to tester so we could have more dedicated rogue testers 
it definitely is painful, so much needing to be tweaked because we're all psychotic perfectionists that constantly ping-pong between perfection and burnout (self callout lmao)
hot zephyr
i do think, though while it appears strongly to the public that there's some huge melee bias in reworks that we've got similar standards being held for the other classes but their problems go beyond "Rework X weapon into Y"
crude geode
Yeah I think that’s kinda the problem with the “melee bias”, is that it’s easy to fix melee’s problems which just enhances this conception
frail mantle
melee is probably one of the simplest classes, so it's easier to fix its problems
especially when you compare it to something like summoner
crude geode
Right up there with ranged lol
frail mantle
ranged feels like it'd have some more complexity with different ammo types
hot zephyr
changing mana seems to me like a herculean task because it'll require both remaking a mechanic from scratch, and then having to work with both calamity and vanilla weapons and accessories and w crossmod compat (to an extent)
call me stupid but I'd just like to pivot away from ammo and create more ranged weapons that exist agnostic to that godforsaken mechanic
but things like godslayer slugs help, at least a little
crude geode
something something if you remove player choice you’re the devil or something
hot zephyr
there is no choice
frail mantle
i think it could theoretically be interesting if for example certain bullets were limited to certain guns so you have more thought being put into what weapons and ammo you bring into a fight
hot zephyr
you pick the most recent ammo type in progression because it's naturally the strongest or you pick chlorophyte if you can't aim
frail mantle
but that might just be me thinking of random shit and guessing if it'd actually work or not
hot zephyr
i'd like bullets with trade-offs instead of being direct upgrades
gimme drunk bullets that're stronger which would naturally encourage close range play n weapons
cobalt pewter
ranged feels like it'd have some more complexity with different ammo types
ammo should have near or straight up zero impact on listed damage
frail mantle
that'd also help
cobalt pewter
make them actual variants of ammo you can use interchangeably, instead of making a 2nd damage progression because????
frail mantle
if the player didn't feel like they're always losing out on damage if they choose an earlier ammo (because they are) it'd feel less limiting
hot zephyr
the secret to making summoner more consistent is to give every summon the funny squirrel staff copter
I love the squirrel staff rework
crude geode
The secret to making summoner more consistent is taking five minutes to flatten your early game arena and using a different summon if you can’t
frozen hornet
make immat into a sentry (bad idea)
crude geode
cobalt pewter
if the player didn't feel like they're always losing out on damage if they choos...
very much indeed
especially with different effects, you can swap around ammos to your liking, depending on situation too
and you won't be punished as much
hot zephyr
the reason we have funny ammo damage is because trying to think ul and balance entirely unique ammo with their own mechanics is hard esp for babby red
cobalt pewter
this in turn allows ammo to be less abundant and more unique with each, since the player won't feel like being left out in damage because of the slightly longer ammo progression
frail mantle
imagine if minions had damage falloff the more you summoned to incentivize not just dumping every minion slot you have into one singular minion type
frail mantle
this tells me nothing but sounds fun
hot zephyr
phm cal summon actually feels pretty diverse with the capped minions and unique summons
and the unique funny of imp staff getting weaker as you summon more
crude geode
Speaking of reworks to summons godly soul artifact feels very boring design wise.
cobalt pewter
Soul Artifacts are terror
GSA is pretty boring
DSA is on the same boat kind of, it's just more damage with slight defensive reduction
ESA is no
PSA is alright, but the PSC challenge is uh
hot zephyr
GSA was an unfortunate casualty of the nugget changes
but the nugget changes were good
crude geode
GSA just encourages spam one minion which is just hella boring
cobalt heath
i love em nuggets
digital saddle
the secret to making summoner more consistent is to give every summon the funny ...
You broke an innocent squirrel's legs
deft yew
deft yew
Simply right click the stack :trul:
tiny minnow
#suggestions-posting message
DoG this feels pointless. It’s already there!
gray nebula
for me it's currently being reinforced with like ark and biome blade line rework...
stop gaslighting yourself into thinking melee bias exists
i didnt even know people thought it was a thing till now
like , its not biased its that i couldnt just rework the biome blade alone so i had to redo the whole 2 lines making it up
just u wait till i touch other non melee weapons and u can see there is no bias
gray nebula
clockwrork bow more like not there
admittedly the 2 ranger ones arent as flashy but its because i made them before the swords
distant gyro
also they're
one off weapons
not a giga crafting line of epic shit
(mythical)
soma prime also exist
gray nebula
uea
cobalt pewter
the issue with pumpler was fixed, so that's neat
I always hate cosmetic explosions
(the
mantis claws)
also Clockwork Bow is neato y
deft yew
(the
mantis claws)
I hate claw weapons I hate claw weapons I hate claw weapons
swift sinew
just u wait till i touch other non melee weapons and u can see there is no bias
Looking forward to your summoner ideas, 🤩
fossil finch
Iban redoes flamsteed in another 60 hours
indigo whale
I think the Inferna Cutter needs a buff
it's got good damage, not my problem with it
my problem is how it seems like a downgrade to the purity axe instead of an upgrade
reason being that the cutter doesn't have anything resembling the purity axe's purification powder wave attack
and instead has a few lines of low-damage sparks that aren't controllable and always go above you
and I think we'll have to nerf another aspect of it to keep it balanced
and considering how fast it swings, I think that the fix would go sorta like this:
nerf the attack speed by a bit, but make the sparks into a wave of fire similar to the purity axe's purification powder attack
and uh, that's it. hope it makes sense.
just wanted to give a newer more niche weapon some love
gray nebula
the issue is that melee sucks because it cant be aimed 
Make it aimable and also give it a cool attack thats like the ring of fire from the final dawn..
indigo whale
that sounds super cool
maybe not as crazy as what the final dawn has going on tho
just checked the wiki, never played rogue
gray nebula
yea i mean just like some spin around you that hits a long distance horizontally
could also cut trees while doing the spin
wait no this is melee bias
indigo whale
melee bias probably is a thing in the base game, but not in calamity i don't think
indigo whale
stop gaslighting yourself into thinking melee bias exists
oh, just saw this
guess i'm echoing your whole thing here
gray nebula
(no i mean calamity definitely has more melee weapons than vanilla and the issue is especially there when a lot of melee weapons are just boring broadswords, but i was joking abt the melee bias thing
indigo whale
mhm
i just really like the idea of axes as melee weapons for some reason
and i agree about the broadsword thing
the new Ark weapons are really good examples of what melee in calamity could be
gray nebula
indigo whale
they reward you for doing close-quarters combat by giving you a ranged option if you hit your strikes
which i think is an awesome idea
gray nebula
Melee but its actually melee (xd)
eternal escarp
tbf its not really melee bias as more so just melee has the most boring weapons of all classes
oh wait thats what you said in other words!
(i think
neat linden
and melee having a ton of weapons literally no one uses ever
other classes do too but melee has prolly the most
neat linden
Elemental bomb when btw
gray nebula
shoutoute to melee having more calamity broadswords than summoner has weapon (vanilla + calamity)
eternal escarp
yeah!!!!
even in the update its the same thing
theres been like, 7 more summons overall
neat linden
meele has an incredible amount of breadswords
indigo whale
the newest updates are a step in the right direction for melee though
one of the exo mechs drops a viable melee chainsaw
eternal escarp
well yes pretty much everything post yharon is infact not a sword
except exoblade
indigo whale
the arks and Biome Blades have their own unique concepts now
eternal escarp
i mean yeah melee has some changes but it doesnt change the fact its filled with way too many (currently) boring weapons
neat linden
Parrying wof and killing it in like a few seconds be like
eternal escarp
((yeah i know it will be addressed)
indigo whale
and even if they're not at the best they could be, weapons like the purity axe and inferna cutter throw some thematic variety into the mix
neat linden
i mean yeah melee has some changes but it doesnt change the fact its filled with...
oathblades becoming real when
does anyone use any oathblades except the first three
bladecrest is decently used, OLO is really good, forb oathblade is also not bad from what i've heard
after that they're just as good as throwing rocks at enemies
indigo whale
oh also
the vanilla buffs are annoying
like, the enchanted sword outclasses most of the really cool prehardmode swords calamity adds
lemme test this
and also, blade of grass is also vanilla
yep.
it's also terrible in calamity let's be fair
and you're making my point for me
they made boring weapons better than interesting weapons
yeah.
how are you supposed to beat the lightspeed bullet hell boss with a glorified stick
unless it's like the omniblade or the murasama
or something with a massive hitbox
neat linden
it's also terrible in calamity let's be fair
not really
fossil finch
Bring out the hellkite
indigo whale
oh yeah also, i'm a normal person who likes to have fun
indigo whale
so the keyboard sonata stuff isn't possible for me
calamity is a mod where you get 2 shot by most bosses if they hit you point blank
but i agree that rewarding you for going in close is good
that's what i was saying about weapons with bigger hitboxes
small timber
from a functional standpoint true melee don't suck, but from the concept of true melee buff it actually is not that interesting
small timber
basically is just make true melee have bigger size and make them deal like 4x their damage
indigo whale
that is nowhere near what I said
neat linden
Calamity true melee prior to 1.5 was extremally suffering
neat linden
Calamity true melee 1.5 is a different story
Vanilla true melee (almost) does not exist because of how shit it is
small timber
I think the fact that true melee (or broadsword) can only overhead swing make it worse too, because you can only hit top and front of character
(I mean vanilla)
neat linden
Vanilla true melee (almost) does not exist because of how shit it is
(*only exception i can think of is Starlight which technically is tm?)
small timber
in that sense make broadsword more similar to murasama (style of omnidirectional attack) will make true melee much more viable, though 1.4 shortsword kinda fill that role
distant gyro
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
#suggestions-voting message
there's too many of these was implemented in 1.5.1.001
eternal escarp
wow you went to look that far back?
distant gyro
@earnest cape @loud cloak I'm not bothering pinging anyone before 2021
distant gyro
wow you went to look *that* far back?
we did a little search tooling
eternal escarp
search troolling
golden tulip
2019 is literally patreon item suggestion heaven
fossil finch
Dies of cringe
distant gyro
we call that an SIS
tardy smelt
shoutoute to melee having more calamity broadswords than summoner has weapon (va...
Does trump card count
distant gyro
no
fossil finch
This sounds useless in extreme
tardy smelt
Darn
sudden monolith
This sounds useless in extreme
True, true. I think I'll remove it, it was just spur of the moment.
distant gyro
yeah
it kinda makes sense and stuff considering the exo mechs are self sustaining but there's literally no practical uses of charged items at endgame
sudden monolith
You're right. And moving it earlier would be OP
I just beat Yharon on the first try on Expert (not usual for me, usually do normal) with Tesla Cannon. It ended on 36%, where it was dealing way less damage than usual
That's what made me think of it
deft yew
Does trump card count
Donor items are the sharpest double-edged sword in gaming history 
earnest cape
<@!651417046747185153> <@!641022187486314506> I'm not bothering pinging anyone b...
Wooo
hybrid steeple
my source is that i made it the fuck up
fossil finch
@gray python dps doesn't mean anything- provide kill times instead
Cosmos, and its entire line, has a higher skill ceiling for proper usage than most weapons, are you completely sure its underperformance are a result of the weapon being bad and not you using them improperly?
gray python
<@487805692275720192> dps doesn't mean anything- provide kill times instead
Cos...
im presently testing all of them against a target.
why should i bother using it when my Nadir is doing so much more for so much less effort?
fossil finch
again, dps doesn't mean anything, target dummies have no defense, dr, don't move and don't want to kill you constantly
gray python
i beat Yharon in Malice with The Nadir, i doubt i could do the same with AOTC
tall quartz
i don't recall Nadir being that good, i did a malice playthrough ~2 months ago and I preferred Stream Gouge to it against Yharon
its definitely a good weapon though
gray python
i don't recall Nadir being *that* good, i did a malice playthrough ~2 months ago...
that one did less damage for me.
royal tapir
Nadir is better for slow/still targets
fossil finch
stream gouge is an absolute meme
gray python
Nadir is better for slow/still targets
or if you can aim well.
tall quartz
yea its rate is nuts
royal tapir
And iirc there aren't really times where Yharon, SCal, or Eggos are really standing still ngl
fossil finch
anyways; still, this sugg doesn't have a good basis, you need kill times
tall quartz
^
gray python
stream gouge is giving me about 35k dps.
tall quartz
test it against ontier bosses (provide videos?)
fossil finch
videos aren't necessarity
they'd be good i guess? Specially because of the aforementioned cosmos skill ceiling, you'd need to be using the weapon properly
gray python
anyways; still, this sugg doesn't have a good basis, you *need* kill times
i mean i can try them both against SCaL, havnt beaten her yet.
i just think that if i can unga bunga pretty well with this weapon which has carried me, why should i bother getting skilled with another thats not hitting nearly as hard.
fossil finch
because it's cool and because fuck meta?
fossil finch
not the weapon's issue
Malice isn't a good thing to reason anything around
Specially as of now that fabsol played through it and didn't like it one bit
tall quartz
it's always viable to experiment
gray python
i can tell when fighting polterghast is easier then providence.
gray python
Specially as of now that fabsol played through it and didn't like it one bit
i had to cheat to actually beat moonlord.
frozen hornet
It'd be better to test in rev
gray python
im not ashamed to say it.
fossil finch
ok
gray python
that was the only fight that i gave up on.
fossil finch
ok
gray python
and i actually prefer Malice DoG and Yharon just because they force me to get good.
ill go beat scal with both weapons and be back here.
tall quartz
Yharon was hell
gray python
Yharon was hell
he was, but he should be and i love him because of that.
tall quartz
ml wasn't too bad for me
gray python
were you playing melee?
tall quartz
yes
gray python
i dont understand.
tall quartz
briny baron just clicked
tall quartz
definitely a tough fight
i hated fishron as well lmao
god that last phase
so many deaths
gray python
ah yes, by last phase you mean a third of his max hp
frozen hornet
You need kill times for it's downgrades too if you want to include that bit
AotE did better on polter than provi in my recent pt
gray python
You need kill times for it's downgrades too if you want to include that bit
i... cannot even begin to try and put myself in progression where those would be.
frozen hornet
go do that, then make the sugg
gray python
AotE did better on polter than provi in my recent pt
i used the steller contempt
frozen hornet
I don't actually remember how good AotA was on things like aureus and levi
gray python
mixed with the proboscis
gray python
i used AotE
gray python
for a short bit before deciding the damage output on this is not remotely what i need and i have better ranged options
so... how do i even enable kill times?
frozen hornet
Download some mod I think it's called nycro's nohit efficiency
gray python
ok
frozen hornet
It has some configs that show kill times and dps
That sort of stuff
You need to have a cellphone in your inventory to seethe results
gray python
aaaand it crashed trying to load.
gray python
it still loaded...
it just crashed the first time it tried for some reason.
i also would like to go on record and say that, i do not play terraria or calamity in a standard manor.
I 100% cheat in an item if i can get it by grinding but cannot be bothered to grind for it because i mainly play for the boss fights and item progression, not grinding.
fossil finch
Found the bossrusher
Laugh now or whatever
I have to bring out the book on proper gatekeeping sorry i wasn't expecting anything today
gray python
and i absolutely make my map fully explored the instant i spawn into a world aswell as teleport myself to the ores i need in the ground
fossil finch
Yeah found the cringe player
frozen hornet
I would pull up that copypasta but it's been posted enough times already
fossil finch
Someone bring out the dom copypasta
gray python
and do you know why i do this?
its because i already did it normally on my first playthrough, and its boring to do it again.
frozen hornet
You're boring smh....
fossil finch
Ok i don't care i still think you're cringe
gray python
i am cringe but i am free.
frozen hornet
Anyways since you don't grind like any normal person go and spend your time testing the weapons you claim to be bad
fossil finch
You're restrained by your own thoughts
fossil finch
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't grow. You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
Unironically though you're kinda restricting yourself by thinking it's boring and never trying honestly again
anyways now the actual important thing
Who tested the ark line
loud cloak
hot zephyr
What
fossil finch
did you test the ark line
fossil finch
they've mainly focused on nadir vs cosmos i think
hot zephyr
I remember having to constantly request nerfs because it was overperforming 
grim tusk
nadir is likely overpowered for its tier with its recent changes
fossil finch
They only brought dummy dps though and i told them they needed kill times
hot zephyr
dummy DPS is irrelevant
grim tusk
nohit server was also overjoyed by nadir changes
fossil finch
Yeah
hot zephyr
i will laugh at you if you bring up dummy DPS
grim tusk
Scal meta
hot zephyr
nadir is likely too strong
especially because melee speed is cringe
aotc was generally above average in DPS if you can consistent use it to the fullest ability
(skill weapon :)™️)
grim tusk
I remember having to constantly request nerfs because it was overperforming <:Ke...
also yea Ark used to be extremely op in test builds until the final changes got made
when it had 2222 base damage is was so broken
hot zephyr
grim tusk
and the dmg mult used to be 1.3 lol
hot zephyr
byeah storm did most of the aota line testing
grim tusk
byeah storm did most of the aota line testing
Biome blade
I barely even tested Aota line besides AotC
grim tusk
although i may take a look to the dash slash since a lot of people dont use it
hot zephyr
skill issue
grim tusk
Does the dash slash have i-frames?
iirc yes
frozen hornet
Epic
hot zephyr
it does
(at least when I used it last, which was pretty recent and I doubt anyone removed it (why))
the thing I'm concern about with dummy damage
was the suggestor using the uncharged mode always
hot zephyr
speaking of dashes, any dev verdicts on Final Dawn's yeet
not a dev but the iframes make me want to doug dimmadie
cobalt pewter
hdfl
vocal grotto
As a dev
My opinion is "toss it into the woodchipper" 
hot zephyr
@grim tusk you have my express permissions to absolutely annihilate final dawn now that seraphim exists
fossil finch
Dan crying in the corner
grim tusk
<@!613133259563466755> you have my express permissions to absolutely annihilate ...
I need to wait for certain changes with rogue to get on that grind
gray python
was the suggestor using the uncharged mode always
i did list that if countered it did abit more
cobalt pewter
I need to wait for certain changes with rogue to get on that grind
what changes
grim tusk
you can nerf it
I already nerfed it before but its still 
hot zephyr
i did list that if countered it did abit more
record killtimes w/ nadir and aotc vs scal
grim tusk
The fucking dash
hot zephyr
post the killtimes in your suggestion
remove most other reasoning
and play risky with the aotc
gray python
record killtimes w/ nadir and aotc vs scal
ok, ill do that after i beat the exomechs.
grim tusk
what changes
[redacted]
frozen hornet
The fucking dash
just make it consume all your stealth even with mirror
gray python
and play risky with the aotc
i cannot afford to do anything risky in Malice as melee.
hot zephyr
make it consume the user*
fossil finch
Fix the visual bug where the dash sometimes won't make your character rotate fully so by the time it ends you're sideways or some weird shit
hot zephyr
i cannot afford to do anything risky in Malice as melee.
test in revengeance
frozen hornet
true!
grim tusk
And exo kill times as well @gray python
Both scal and exos on rev
gray python
test in revengeance
ill do that after.
cobalt pewter
the uh the
I was thinking if the yeet "grinds" on an enemy, and it gives iframes only during that (grind as the like bloodcrush crasher or something????)
frozen hornet
No rippers and a balanced loadout too
hot zephyr
it should only be in revengeance don't be stinky like pixl 
cobalt pewter
idk what to say it
gray python
And exo kill times as well <@!487805692275720192>
Both scal and exos on rev
ok, ill do that after i beat them in malice.
which shall be hell but im not named spiteful alchemist for nothing
grim tusk
<@!613133259563466755> you have my express permissions to absolutely annihilate ...
Also like if i didnt butched seraph on 1.5.1.3
frozen hornet
okay "mr" alchemistking
gray python
i have come as far as i have out of spite and distain for many changes in the draedon update and im not gunna stop now.
cobalt pewter
oh this one
frozen hornet
Also like if i didnt butched seraph on 1.5.1.3 <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
lmao
cobalt pewter
[[Bloodsoaked Crasher]]
red stormBOT
grim tusk
The funny
cobalt pewter
the thing
grim tusk
If enemy stand still it dies 
cobalt pewter
if not cope
cobalt pewter
well tbf I did look at everything rogue when I was still actively playing cal
hot zephyr
why does the glove turn into an axe
gray python
does it make any difference to yall if the dummy was patchwerk?
cobalt pewter
so I know about it, and surprisingly used it quite some bit
cobalt pewter
why does the glove turn into an axe
idk it's funny
hot zephyr
stop using dummies to test they're inaccurate
cobalt pewter
crushsaw crasher is the odd one's out to me
saw but gloves?
what?
at least Bloodsoaked Crasher can still work, but Crushsaw is just what
grim tusk
Some weapons are balanced by the fact they are hard to land, if you use a dummy you remove that factor
red stormBOT
hot zephyr
i knew the funny glove
gray python
stop using dummies to test they're inaccurate <:angere:952750189121265674>
eh, the only thing i take into account when it comes to dummys is then how viable the weapon is outside its dps.
EX. the nadir also has very good range with homing high damage projectiles and the AOTC deals less damage in general aside from 1 move with less range.
hot zephyr
forgor about the upgrade
cobalt pewter
ah
grim tusk
eh, the only thing i take into account when it comes to dummys is then how viabl...
Just sounds like Nadir is op
gray python
Which often inflate dps
oh, weird.
tall quartz
just test it against ontier bosses so you have more grounded reasoning 
grim tusk
^^^^^^^^
gray python
Just sounds like Nadir is op
yeah, fair enough.
but its the only thing that made several malice bosses remotely bearable soooo.
cobalt pewter
eh, the only thing i take into account when it comes to dummys is then how viabl...
you're already told to test it properly by fuckin game testers, at least do that first
tests are not an opinion
grim tusk
Malice has been beaten before nerfs lmao
gray python
iv had to use pure jam to get myself OUT OF JAMS many times.
gray python
you're already told to test it properly by *fuckin game testers*, at least do th...
oh my god im going to, i have to do the whole draedon questline
grim tusk
yeah, fair enough.
but its the only thing that made several malice bosses remot...
Looks like you had some skill problems and resorted to busted weapon due to reactive dmg reduction being gone
I’ll take a look at nadir when i can
It sounds like it needs to be butchered
But you bringing kill times and loadouts would be nice
tall quartz
good ending 
grim tusk
To have an idea what to kill on it
hot zephyr
;p
hot zephyr
10% drop
grim tusk
is this a bug or a luck issue
Luck issue
tall quartz
at least it's not the 1% it was before
proud quest
and god damn its not dropping at all
fucking 30 TIMESS
is it like a single drop per world or something?????
calm elm
Your luck is bad
tall quartz
grab a 57 leaf clover 
grim tusk
I heard that in nohit too, but no proof
calm elm
i might test nadir out of boredom
grim tusk
And you delete the message of nadir being insane with min max due to you not wanting us to kill it, adorable
calm elm
do u really think thats why i deleted that message
gray python
Looks like you had some skill problems and resorted to busted weapon due to reac...
huh?
i think you misunderstand, i didnt fight Yharon with anything else.
its only now iv even considered it was overpowered since excelsus can deal 100k+ dps with true melee hits.
gray python
well that sucks.
grim tusk
huh?
i think you misunderstand, i didnt fight Yharon with anything else.
its on...
Excelsus is risky as hell to try to true meme lmao
calm elm
is this the right channel to be posting about your bad drop luck
grim tusk
Its not
gray python
Excelsus is risky as hell to try to true meme lmao
indeed but given any window it deals tons of dps.
proud quest
is this the right channel to be posting about your bad drop luck
i was asking if it was a bug at first so maybe
calm elm
true melee is high damage low consistency
grim tusk
indeed but given any window it deals tons of dps.
Which makes sense considering how rare that window is
grim tusk
true melee is high damage low consistency
Esp vs Yharon
gray python
I just trial by fire all my accessories and see which ones help me live a little longer
Many of the wikis recommendations dont work well for my playstyle
gray python
Im aware
calm elm
ok
calm elm
Esp vs Yharon
True
grim tusk
Class setups is a Meno’s paradox.
People have no reason to try new things due to many answers already given there. But if there were nothing people would not know what to use or look for.
frozen hornet
Which makes sense considering how rare that window is
This is why you need to test on bosses not dummies
calm elm
and is also why killtimes are much better grounds to judge off of than dps
frozen hornet
any true melee weapon would do fat damage until they realize they can't hit the boss in any way
calm elm
u could have insane dps and a shit killtime
frozen hornet
Yea
gray python
u could have insane dps and a shit killtime
isnt a players skill also a factor there?
gray python
i think we can agree that heart of darkness is a pretty good true melee accessory
grim tusk
if its an aim based weapon and they cant aim for shit then yes
Supernova :lo:
Hits extremely hard but aiming it sucks
gray python
id like to ask why the ashen stalactite is a pre boss weapon
when it can deal... over 1000 damage on a stealth strike.
gray python
and instantly kill malice mode EoC with its aftereffect multihit
gray python
i can make one but i have no reason to lie.
frozen hornet
You don't see anyone killing king slime with flamarang do you
gray python
well king slime can be killed with anything, just trap him in a box around your spawn and he cant do anything.
calm elm
hellstone is obtainable pre boss but usually people use it for either t1 evil onward or t2 evil onward
frozen hornet
Demon scythe would be a better comparison I guess
calm elm
Yeah
gray python
hellstone is obtainable pre boss but usually people use it for either t1 evil on...
i go straight for a reaver shark and minmax in prehardmode as much as i can.
calm elm
Ok
gray python
because when you are playing melee malice or death mode you must take what you can get
calm elm
Ok
frozen hornet
Mhm cool (why do we need to know this)
You reasonably (and I stress reasonably) won't be going down to hell pre-EoC
calm elm
True
gray python
You reasonably (and I stress _reasonably_) won't be going down to hell pre-EoC
i do, though im probably very far from reasonable.
frozen hornet
Exactly
cobalt pewter
id like to ask why the ashen stalactite **is a pre boss weapon**
by technicality it's supposed to be post eow / boc
the same reason Demon's Scythe is tiered similarly
gray python
by technicality it's supposed to be post eow / boc
and yet here i stand, wearing platinum armor with a reaver shark in hand and making a hellavator before the EoC is even dead
cobalt pewter
both drop from hell enemies that are technically tiered post those 2 bosses, but the biome and the mobs are accessible anytime
calm elm
Same with the bladecrest and old lord oathswords
gray python
i got really lucky with my reaver shark.
frozen hornet
and yet here i stand, wearing platinum armor with a reaver shark in hand **and m...
Nothing's stopping you from doing that
Just don't complain when a boss dies to a weapon 4 tiers above
gray python
i like shredding the bosses, its why i did it, unfortunately it becomes mandatory in malice
cobalt pewter
by 1.4, Meteors are technically also post eow / boc
cobalt pewter
i like shredding the bosses, its why i did it, unfortunately it becomes mandator...
then don't play malice
it's been universally regarded as shit, yet people are still deadass playing it
(#KillMalice)
gray python
im playing it out of spite for its existence.
it is also spiteful because this is my second world and character, the first ones got corrupted by a crash
calm elm
by 1.4, Meteors are technically also post eow / boc
Isnt there no technicality in this
like you have to kill boc/eow for one to spawn in 1.4
Or am I mistaken
cobalt pewter
yeah, but since we're talking cal, it's not quite here yet
calm elm
Oh
frozen hornet
Bombs can't explode meteorite in 1.4
calm elm
i c
frozen hornet
so your only option is to at least half kill brian or consyoom
cobalt pewter
also yeah, the limitations are more on mining and bombing than spawn
cobalt pewter
it's still breaking orbs / hearts I think
grim tusk
i like shredding the bosses, its why i did it, unfortunately it becomes mandator...
Skill issue ngl
grim tusk
And infernal kris stealth is uh
Perforators fear it
grim tusk
If you feel like you must min max to hell to beat a boss by bruteforcing it you’re probably doing something wrong or have not attempted the boss enough
calm elm
Bosses should be dodged to some degree and not just shredded instantly
if you feel that shredding them is your only option then you cannot dodge that boss
gray python
If you feel like you must min max to hell to beat a boss by bruteforcing it you’...
i personally think 50+ attempts on providence is more then enough
calm elm
50 attempts is not that much especially for malice
gray python
especially when fighting a later game boss is easier, ex polterghast, and the weapons from polterghast make it just barely possible
calm elm
subjective
gray python
indeed
calm elm
Polter is not objectively easier
gray python
correct.
in other news, first attempt on the exomechs.
got past the first phase, this is gunna take quite a while.
calm elm
okay
frozen hornet
Provi is harder with melee because you either have to deal with inconsistent dashes with solar or use beetle
gray python
Provi is harder with melee because you either have to deal with inconsistent das...
mmmyup
grim tusk
Just dont use valor or belt with solar
Beetle got nerfed lol
Astral maybe could work
calm elm
did it
gray python
beetle is worse then... what was it called... hydrothermic.
calm elm
i thought beetle offense was strong
calm elm
When
calm elm
oh
gray python
i found hydrothermic to outclass it aswell as reaver.
frozen hornet
Just dont use valor or belt with solar
still kinda brughn when doing bosses like folly and guardians that need a lot of dashing
frozen hornet
especially when you get hit once and get fucked
gray python
yes tank reaver
grim tusk
Reaver speed is 
gray python
i used offensive beetle, it was worse then hydrothermic and defensively was worse then tank reaver.
meager cave
Reaver speed is <:HyperYharimJudge:482008732658565140>
true
calm elm
Well of course its gonna be weaker defensively than a designated tank set
meager cave
gray python
Well of course its gonna be weaker defensively than a designated tank set
im saying it gets outclassed by calamity on all fronts.
calm elm
okay
grim tusk
Reaver speed and Tank have far less offense than other sets
calm elm
yeah
grim tusk
But the boosts they give are very good
calm elm
The mobility one is very nice
gray python
whats its set bonus?
frozen hornet
Can we just make solar's dash stay all the time without needing the shield because suddenly being unable to dash is insanely annoying
gray python
Can we just make solar's dash stay all the time without needing the shield becau...
or better yet, YOU CAN USE NORMAL DASHES WHEN ITS ON CD?!
frozen hornet
Yeah that works too
gray python
instead of it disabling all of them
frozen hornet
There's a sugg about it but it didn't get sent to dev
calm elm
whats its set bonus?
gray python
mmm, yeah not my style.
cerulean trench
any changes?
cerulean trench
i dont think venerated locket is overpowered
it really is though
i was able to do like 300k damage with a ghoulish gouger stealth strike like 💀
calm elm
dummy testing is not a good means to judge how good or bad something is
cerulean trench
dummy testing is not a good means to judge how good or bad something is
i know that, it just sets an idea
dummies can be innacurate
but still
polterghast weapon dealing 300k damage
calm elm
its a dummy
calm elm
test the locket on sum bosses
cerulean trench
still
calm elm
is that so
cerulean trench
is that so
yeah
calm elm
Record some kill times
cerulean trench
i just mentioned the dummy as a baseline
calm elm
With and without the locket
cerulean trench
With and without the locket
im not getting on tmod right now
calm elm
Do it later
cerulean trench
im tired and my neck hurts
calm elm
whenever u get the chance, im in no position to rush you to play tmodloader
cerulean trench
k
frozen hornet
Venerated locket's clone projectile has like 94% less damage than the actual projectile
ruby plover
in theory, the copies from the lockey should really not be op
frozen hornet
yeah
ruby plover
they have 6.5% damage, and dont even count as rogue damage
and the cosmilite knives from stealth strikes have 35 base damage and ALSO don't do rogue damage
frozen hornet
ye
ruby plover
also also also...... you tested it with ghoulish gouger? did you test it with anything else?
also consider, the locket does give you a 10% damage boost
cerulean trench
also also also...... you tested it with ghoulish gouger? did you test it with an...
i also tested it with seraphim, and celestus
cobalt pewter
Venerated Locket sucks ass
storm would explode if I'd mention Momentum Capacitor
Old Dice was significantly rebalanced in 1.5, so idk how it does now
unborn siren
old die is pretty bad now
especially when you have the op combo that is sheath + coin
cobalt pewter
Ethereal Extorter is incredibly meme
(get rid of its extra projectiles lo)
idk how Recklessness does now, but if I'm correct Precision is still untouched 
calm elm
recklessness + old die was really good in 1.4.5 but got nerfed
grim tusk
If you think venerated locket is op there’s something wrong with you
grim tusk
recklessness + old die was really good in 1.4.5 but got nerfed
Recklessnesss will eventually be buffed
The die must die
cobalt pewter
for the Pope
calm elm
Recklessnesss will eventually be buffed
Ah
grim tusk
Scales is mostly fine other than Thanathos prob getting more resist to it in my opinion
molten narwhal
i think
cobalt pewter
yeah I don't see much issues in the Scales I think
cobalt pewter
did it like
get a reskin as well? on the nado
calm elm
good4u
cobalt pewter
I don't remember
grim tusk
old die is pretty bad now
Old die essentially is, starts of mediocre but once your weapons have high base dmg it becomes extremely dumb, all due to the fucking reroll
unborn siren
Scales is mostly fine other than Thanathos prob getting more resist to it in my ...
the tornado isn't the problem, it's the terrarian yeeting through all of his segments at mach 5
unborn siren
so scales is probably fine
calm elm
so we're back to Final Dawn
now that seraphim and seared pan exist final dawn can die
grim tusk
the tornado isn't the problem, it's the terrarian yeeting through all of his seg...
Have you tried to kill Thanathos with seared pan
unborn siren
no
calm elm
Read it wrong
grim tusk
now that seraphim and seared pan exist final dawn can die
Wrathwing got buffed y’know
cobalt pewter
now that seraphim and seared pan exist final dawn can die
yeah I think so
there's a handful of choices now post Yharon
seared pan
seraphim
final dawn
wrathwing
frozen hornet
good enough imo
grim tusk
And eclipse’s fall, exe blade, plasma grenades and penumbra are still decent
cobalt pewter
yeah I was mentioning right post Yharon specifically
grim tusk
Gotta buff Hypothermia tho but im unsure how and its low priority anyways
unborn siren
recklessness is just meh
for recklessness I would increase the attack speed bonus to 24% and replace the -10% damage with -20%
grim tusk
for recklessness I would increase the attack speed bonus to 24% and replace the ...
What the fuck, no
That is basically more dumb than pre-nerf recklessness
crude geode
Don’t the venerated locket projectiles have insanely low damage % of the original
cobalt pewter
Venerated needs to be re assessed because there's no way to balance its copy effect as it is I think
grim tusk
Yes
Its either the most overpowered shit you’ve ever seen (remember 1.4.4.1 locket?) or complete trash (1.4.4.3 onwards)
cobalt pewter
the former doesn't last long
calm elm
How bad was 1.4.4.1 locket
grim tusk
Its either the most overpowered shit you’ve ever seen (remember 1.4.4.1 locket?)...
At least it synergies extremely well with final dawn but like just use dragon scales, old die or ethereal exorter
grim tusk
How bad was 1.4.4.1 locket
You basically doubled your dps
crude geode
@cerulean trench get kill times before you go spouting “op pls Nerf”
grim tusk
Celestus dealt about 350k at the time with no dps investment other than the locket and nanotech
cobalt pewter
also why is Venerated Locket still with the
cosmilite color palette
grim tusk
Pretty stupid
grim tusk
what does it even have to do with dog
Bandit made it with DoG’s corpse
cobalt pewter
ah yes
where the fuck would an average player know that
I haven't even heard of it till now
unborn siren
because you can only buy it after killing DoG
grim tusk
She literally mentions stuff about looting the carcass of SW
cobalt pewter
incredible
grim tusk
But DoG getting there and making her flee
cobalt pewter
either way, back to the sugg
calm elm
the dude said he tested it on a dummy
Then i asked him if he did it on bosses
said he did but didnt record kill times
calm elm
the noobs weapon tester
crude geode
That is indeed the point of dummies, so you don’t have to test against the latest boss
calm elm
True
fierce iris
1.4.4.1 venerated locket was kind of half the reason Scarlet Devil was as crazy as it was
small timber
@copper coyote while not exactly prohibited, summon suggestion is among the frequent suggestions in the "Suggestion Don't" pinned document, so there is really no need to suggest for spawn animation because eventually they will get added
and also your title do not match your content/reason (boss challenge in title but basically boss summon in content/reason)
although it said "boss spawn animation", considering what they did with Scal spawn it probably may also include unique spawning method (not just animation)
copper coyote
and also your title do not match your content/reason (boss challenge in title bu...
hello, i don't know english, so my idea may contain translation errors
small timber
hello, i don't know english, so my idea may contain translation errors
don't worry, basically boss summon do not need to get suggested, the developers have plans on them
copper coyote
don't worry, basically boss summon do not need to get suggested, the developers ...
it's great, thanks
spring fog
so, what do yall think about my suggestion
cerulean trench
8/10
cobalt heath
6/10, fun idea but your idea would add an i-frame dodge to melee
small timber
I havent use it much doesn't this basically is already what ark does (but more forgiving with more frames in the current version)?
spring fog
6/10, fun idea but your idea would add an i-frame dodge to melee
1 second iframe, maybe 0.5
small timber
just no scaling with how high the contact damage is
cobalt heath
(or scarf exists but its its broken too)
cerulean trench
1 second iframe, maybe 0.5
yea
spring fog
so you cant cheese bosses
cerulean trench
actually
cerulean trench
yea
maybe it could have half of your normal i-frames as the i-frames on th weapon
spring fog
yeah
also, it would ONLY work with contact damage
with the perfect timing
so, no cheesing providence
and it would be a last resort, being kind of risky if you dont get the timing perfect
spring fog
high risk high reward stuff
small timber
regardless of how hard it is to use the mechanic, I think the main concern is how hard it is to balance, mainly the "give damage" part of the suggestion
if you make it too tight then just aegis/valor dash is more preferable
spring fog
regardless of how hard it is to use the mechanic, I think the main concern is ho...
it doesn't boost damage, it would just cause an explosion i guess
spring fog
if you make it too tight then just aegis/valor dash is more preferable
but it would do damage, high risk high reward
small timber
another concern is just parrying is kind of the main thing of the ark line, so moving one of its main function to most sword will be kinda overkill
spring fog
another concern is just parrying is kind of the main thing of the ark line, so m...
it doesn't work the same way if im not wrong
also, ark can parry projectiles
small timber
it is almost the same I think, but instead of dealing explosion damage ark charge up the blade
there are frequently suggestion about true melee weapon have projectile/parry function, but it always end up being "a balance nightmare", at least according to tester opinions
small timber
if you make it too tight then just aegis/valor dash is more preferable
and as stated, if it is too tight (to make it not cheesable), it become this situation
where the risk and skill cap is too high that people rather just not use it
ark works because the main reward is that the weapon is powered up after the parry, not necessary that the parry itself is super powerful
basically you parry for dps not necessarily for damage negation
small timber
ya it would be cool, just not really practical, or to certain extend just dash
because dash into enemy is the same function but notably easier
spring fog
the destroyer fight, he tries to dash at you, and you manage to parry last second, at that stage you dont have good dashes like in post plantera
small timber
you kinda have counter/evasion scarf but ya I get your point
just that after post-plantera the mechanic will be very ignorable
spring fog
true
hollow shell
@spring fog We will not be adding a new mechanic to the entire class
There exists a weapon with this mechanic already, Brand of the Inferno
and yeah the new Arks too
You can make your suggestion be to add new weapons with this ability or apply it to more existing weapons
But suggesting that melee as a whole gain this mechanic is way too big scope
hot zephyr
:)
half sage
giving every single melee weapon from both vanilla and calamity a parry sounds like the lowest circle of tester hell
ruby plover
is giving melee as a whole a parry mechanic on the don'ts doc? cos i feel like it's been suggested a few times
frail mantle
i think it falls under large scale
gray nebula
im not agaisnt a few more melee weapons gaining defensive attributes but yeah itd be bizzare to have a generalized mechanic for blocking thats just always there
also bruh do you not realize how impossibly unviable it would be
terraria runs at 60fps hitting the perfect block would require inhuman fucking reflexes
half sage
for a frame of reference to how difficult a 1 frame parry window would be, what's the window on ark line parry
cobalt heath
and didnt gael prove that the parry efect would be kinda irrelevant
cause you should be focusing on dealing damage dodging not face tanking bosses
still zodiac
for a frame of reference to how difficult a 1 frame parry window would be, what'...
Seems about right
cerulean trench
Seems about right
so, very fucking difficult
just make it a 3 frame window
way easier
frozen hornet
a quarter of a second is 15 frames
cerulean trench
you underestimate human reaction time
gray nebula
twas 20 frames before until ian (evil) asked me (savior of the people) to nerf it
wait nvm im wrong
ian just asked for the parry cooldown to be longer before it was like 2-3 secs
pure thorn
oh cool suggestion mattik
cobalt heath
so a grace period basicly?
ruby plover
yea. though of course this is nohitting so. it's a bit different, and it's in malice, so. once again very different, they have sniped me time and time again even after i slimey saddle and rod to the other side of them, trying to get away from that inital surge
the spread size of their fireballs is good, but that makes their spawn surge really awkward to deal with most of the time
digital saddle
Imo the parry mechanic is not good in it's current form
Requires you to spam it to deal half decent damage
As opposed to using it when you need it
tardy smelt
you can ask mods
tardy smelt
the spread size of their fireballs is good, but that makes their spawn surge rea...
its also there on lower difficulties
albeit less so
tardy smelt
yea. though of course this is nohitting so. it's a bit different, and it's in ma...
this i mean
what also doesn't help is that the velocity at which the fireballs are launched is based on the speed at which their respective fireball is fired
and when spawned, they can very easily get to their top speed and start hurling fireballs at you at the speed of light :/
digital saddle
Also venerated locket is not good
Iirc secondary projectile doesn't benefit from any rogue bonuses, and only deals 6.67% of the damage of the original projectile
If anything it needs a buff
cobalt heath
it has to be that way to not be broken
its imo a 7/10
and any rogue buffs atm are just
digital saddle
There is no reason to use it over reaper tooth necklace or even void of extinction
cobalt heath
so be it
digital saddle
What's the point of even having the accessory then
That's such a bad argument
cobalt heath
you have to think about the general things when talking about class specific buffs
buffing venerated to like 10% dps would be a big buff to stealth rogue
why it is outclassed is cause buffing it when stealth rogue is strong is an issue to game balance
golden tulip
There is no reason to use it over reaper tooth necklace or even void of extincti...
venerated locket is good what
did it get a nerf im not aware about
cobalt heath
its good
cobalt heath
There is no reason to use it over reaper tooth necklace or even void of extincti...
and this isnt true on the case off rtn, venerated beats it in raw damage
golden tulip
Play the update before coming to balance conclusions please
ok, what did rtn get that makes it good now?
cobalt heath
and void is a defence halving accessory off course its better in raw dps
tbh venerated is for once in a good place in balance
untold pagoda
ok, what did rtn get that makes it good now?
if i had to guess, the massive decrease in health could make 15 AP good
untold pagoda
AP is different from defense reduction debuffs like ichor and betsy's curse
if the target has no defense you deal an extra 15 damage
at least i think
and ig it adds up
golden tulip
15 extra damage on this 2 million health boss 
cobalt heath
and 15 base isnt that much
untold pagoda
though i never used it so 
golden tulip
rtn sure is good
cobalt heath
its multiplied by modifiers
digital saddle
It has 15% damage now
untold pagoda
i thought it was 12%
digital saddle
It got buffed
small timber
it was 10% (on rtn)
timid flower
Yea
untold pagoda
still barely makes a difference
golden tulip
rtn gives 15% damage now ?
small timber
5% is pretty huge, 50% buff on a dps accessory
untold pagoda
i guess its meant to be used with omega blue armor
which also gives AP
like 5 or 10 idr
golden tulip
venerated locket is still better than rtn
untold pagoda
funny stealth strike 😋
frail mantle
i mean yeah
untold pagoda
also post dog
frail mantle
it'd make sense for a post DoG accessory to be better than a post polter one
small timber
venerated locket should be better on stealth (than rtn on stealth for the same slot)
untold pagoda
its pretty good
golden tulip
hailfall said venerated locket isnt worth picking thats why i said it
timid flower
It's not the best accessory
crude geode
I love this conversation happening completely in theory with very little practical numbers like kill times
cobalt heath
I love this conversation happening completely in theory with very little practic...
that is what balance is
small timber
ok what rogue weapon is viable on dog right now, I can grab some numbers real quick
untold pagoda
uhhh
small timber
for stealth strike, since it is about venerated locket
crude geode
that is what balance is
????? what
untold pagoda
ghoulish gouger ig
cobalt heath
wait i read it wrong sorry
untold pagoda
or phantasmal ruin
cobalt heath
phantasmal is best stealth weapon for dog
golden tulip
phantasmal my baby got nerfed so hard in 1.5 😭
cobalt heath
but usually you wouldnt use stealth on dog, rather spam goulish
untold pagoda
phantasmal my baby got nerfed so hard in 1.5 😭
😭
could try smth like night's gaze
pretty broken from what storm told me
got like a 1m old duke kill so it could do things to dog
ruby plover
maybe that tooth weapon as well, upgrade to levi teeth...?
i dont know the meta, but i know its on tier at least
crude geode
If you think venerated locket is op there’s something wrong with you
Speaking of storm, an actual tester
cobalt heath
xp is doing tests
crude geode
Its either the most overpowered shit you’ve ever seen (remember 1.4.4.1 locket?)...
And more
small timber
might take sometime, plan on doing 3x for each
just to be sure, since there is variance in killtime (fast or slow attempt)
cobalt heath
take averages for all kills
cobalt heath
(hence venerated is post dog)