suggestions-discussion

[dense ferry]

Yes

[grim arch]

yes

[fossil bronze]

why

[grim arch]

its the google translate version it makes everything better

[dense ferry]

Ok, so

It's not only a don't

But it's a meme

[fossil bronze]

ah
probably shouldn't have posted it there, but yeah, it's funny ig

[unique vector]

@grim arch just dont meme in your suggestion posts

[grim arch]

k

imma delte it now

[unique vector]

or post long weird meme texts in general

ty

[cobalt pewter]

don't start with tooltips

the next thing you know they'll give pwnhammer tooltips as big as fucking aotc or gemtech

[grim tusk]

Gemtech :wide:

[violet dagger]

soe tooltip

[cobalt pewter]

honestly I give 0 fucks to emode in general

they can have their chungus tooltips for all I care

[grave zinc]

@bright crag - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove/rework aimed bullet hell projectiles]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@timid flower - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add A Brief Explanation Of The Early Hardmode Rework To The Pwnhammer's description]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Cnidirion a death Gore.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hardy dock - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase Scorn Eater drop yields and make them into a Rare Enemy]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cobalt heath - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add lore based dialogue to Calamitas npc]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Guide Voodoo Doll stackable]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

the

[timid flower]

Yay

[cobalt heath]

I Hope mrrp is fine and going to do this

Fuck why am i european i always miss the fun stuff happening at like 5 In the morning

[frozen hornet]

mine didn't pass :booh

[golden tulip]

none of the detailed weapon statistic suggestions got in

amazing

[cobalt pewter]

people have an allergy to numbers

[small timber]

there are 3 types of suggestion that always get the highest vote: QoL, boss nerf, and "add content" suggestion (eg: lore)

and if there are too many of these per batch basically other suggestions stand no chance

[digital saddle]

I literally showed terra shiv getting double the kill time of its "downgrade"

[glossy reef]

To be fair qol improvements are pretty much always nice

assuming that qol related changes are done properly so that they're actually improvements

[small timber]

I mean I tested every yoyo from pre-HM all the way to Scal/exo, and it probably gonna get overshadowed anyway

[glossy reef]

🇫

yeah i think you had a really good point

[eternal escarp]

you see, the reason is

2 of the 3 types have no counter to why they shouldnt get added 90% of the time, even if they are stupid (sniper scope sugg)

and the boss nerfs are sometimes logical, but obviously some people just want an easier time aswell

[glossy reef]

True

[fleet igloo]

I was really hoping for my sugg to get sent

even if there was a really low chance for it to be accepted anyways

[small timber]

I think the solar dash override one not getting send is even worse, considering same suggestion cannot be made now

[eternal escarp]

(its a known issue though)

(its in the bug document for like, a while )

[crude geode]

Me when I see a buff/Nerf weapon sugg:

[small timber]

I mean keyword is a while

[eternal escarp]

iirc its just because of how modded dashes interact with vanilla ones

[fleet igloo]

Anyways if I want another go at that sugg how would I go about it

Pretty sure it would've been sent if it were posted at a time that wasn't that week

[eternal escarp]

and i assume fixing it is a hassle so its not very top priority as its fairly minor and not many people would have 2 dashes at once

[small timber]

I mean alternatively is it possible to make solar armor dash inherently always able to dash? rather than rely on shield charge

instead of fixing it over valor dash etc

#suggestions-posting message also this suggestion is probably gonna get top voted, go into dev voting just to get either 🛠️ or 🚫 and make 0 impact, considering something like this is gigantic effort

considering it is either already in working or will never come through a suggestion

[fossil bronze]

it's literally just "please make more weapons that are cool"

the fuck you think they were gonna do, make weapons that are bad, on purpose?

[small timber]

ya the suggestion kinda doesn't make sense, as a suggestion

or a suggestion where "sincerely calamity devs, please keep updating the game, updates are cool"

[swift sinew]

A more acceptable suggestion, would be to ask for the visuals of the weapon in each class to be possibly updated to be in line was the standers created by the biome weapon visuals; of course this is probably on their radar, but you guys are kind of taking the piss at a suggestion that if worded better as some claim.

[small timber]

the problem is you are overintepreting it, the suggestion is literally "biome blade and ark weapons are cool, add more for other class"

if it is about visual then it will just be a resprite suggestion (which I think is either don't or commonly suggested somewhere)

[fossil bronze]

resprite suggs are not allowed if it's "make the quality better"

iirc it also says you should post requests for resprites in the art server

idk

[small timber]

also I just notice did suggestion bot died?

[golden tulip]

idk

@unique vector what happen to sug bot

[inland saddle]

What

[golden tulip]

its not putting stuff in voting anymore

[inland saddle]

[golden tulip]

also hello

[inland saddle]

I think I know what the issue is actually

[golden tulip]

were you watching

[inland saddle]

But I’ll have to fix it when I get home

[golden tulip]

cool

[fossil bronze]

i see a
specific item suggestion

[golden tulip]

hm

[inland saddle]

It’s online but I think the timer has committed die

[deft yew]

@frail fjord look it's still a cool idea and all but this kind of thing is reserved for patron dedication

[eternal escarp]

darn!

[golden tulip]

damb

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give HP Bar Special Effect When Boss Is Invincible/Have Absurd Defense As Mechanic]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

also yeah that is a complete SIS, its not allowed

[deft yew]

[golden tulip]

POG

[fossil bronze]

epic !

[frail fjord]

oh

[deft yew]

looking at you #changelogs

[frail fjord]

oh thats true

[golden tulip]

well fabsol is on break rn and he always puts stuff in changelogs so

[eternal escarp]

(you should delete the sugg since, guidelines)

[frail fjord]

yeah im deleting it

done

sorry never used that channel before

[deft yew]

ok now i can talk about the AS one

yes, please do this

[frail mantle]

It’s fine

[deft yew]

alternatively you could just uhh

[frail mantle]

You’re far from the first person to not be aware of the rules and you will not be the last

[deft yew]

make AS "lose interest" and leave to despawn if it's been around long enough

[frail fjord]

this is great

i am so fed up of fishing with a giant worm swimming around, waiting for me to provoke it to lunge at me, only to die in two shots anyway

my inventory keeps getting clogged while im trying to fish for abyss materials

[deft yew]

the problem is when you're trying to make your first abyss trip too

[frail fjord]

true

[deft yew]

if AS spawns before you dive you are outright stuck there

because it stays below you

[frail fjord]

lol

[distant gyro]

where are the others

oh

old suggestion bot messages don't get passed

@earnest raptor #suggestions-voting message
Implemented base value changes from the 1.5.1.001 update:
Rarity 5 (Pink) 7g 20s --> 4g 80s
Rarity 6 (Light Purple) 9g 60s --> 7g 20s
Rarity 7 (Lime) 12g --> 9g 60s
Rarity 8 (Yellow) 16g --> 12g
Rarity 9 (Cyan) 19g --> 16g
Rarity 13 (Pure Green) 28g --> 26g
Rarity 14 (Dark Blue) 36g --> 28g
Rarity 15 (Violet) 50g --> 30g
Rarity 16 (Hot Pink) 1p --> 40g

[cobalt heath]

Are there More?

[earnest raptor]

neato

[golden tulip]

what does this mean

[distant gyro]

@cosmic musk #suggestions-voting message
Profaned Guardians and Providence will no longer be invulnerable outside of the Hallow/Underworld for the 1.5.1.003 update.
Profaned Guardians enrage changes: Move faster, doubled amount of projectiles
Providence enrage changes: Moves faster, increased fire rate, 25% increased amount of Cocoon Stars, Cocoon Spear branches increased from 12 to 15

[calm elm]

Real

That is a very good change

[deft yew]

deathstaring at #changelogs rn

[frail mantle]

Just wait

👍

Fab is on break right now

[deft yew]

well donkey someone already told me this and i up and forgor

[proud quest]

luminite pplanets fucking gone

wtf

[digital saddle]

Sometimes that happens if I use cheatsheet copy-paste too much

Idk if it's just a coincidence

[eternal escarp]

@gritty acorn you should make the title more explanatory

"minor suggestions:" as a title would be weird

[gritty acorn]

good idea

[cobalt pewter]

you can just remove the "minor suggestions:" thing yea

[eternal escarp]

yeah just remove it

the first line will be the title

[cobalt pewter]

also explain the sugg a bit clearer

what issues do you mean?

[grim tusk]

@pale knoll no joke suggs

(Also it will likely be HORRIBLE)

[pale knoll]

i being deadass

i genuinly want so see it

[grim tusk]

The mod doesnt load cuz of a lot of bad spelling :lo:

[pale knoll]

:lo:

[cobalt heath]

that could fall under the large work load sugg

[eternal escarp]

This is really just not a suggestion

[hollow shell]

@gritty acorn Those performance issues shouldn't really matter though because they are not during gameplay moments, you're just watching the animation, right?
Can you think of other reasons why that config would be useful, or describe any experience you had with the performance being a problem?

(also I can't remember if the death animations occur only on first kill or not)

Also yeah @pale knoll huge 'No' lol

[untold pagoda]

lmao

that would be beyond stupid

[gritty acorn]

might also fix the DoG not dropping any bag

well if i had to guess its cuz the animation didnt load

[hollow shell]

🤔

That been reported in #bugs-read-pins ?

[robust lava]

Many times

[gritty acorn]

no thats a suggestion to fix it

it may be cuz of that

[neat linden]

it's one of the most commonly reported bugs afaik

[gritty acorn]

im not good at coding but i feel like its just the animation not loading

[hollow shell]

Ah damn

[neat linden]

along with the obvious mp not working

[robust lava]

If you make sure to finish DoG by killing its head it should drop stuff fine

[gritty acorn]

unless if you tryin to true melee DoG >:(

[robust lava]

I’m not claiming it’s a fix and all done, just a temp workaround until the actual fix can be implemented

[waxen ruin]

Bruh im on a phone and dont know how to add that bold white header lol

[neat linden]

either way, no

no bringing back old content/sprites

you did read the suggs posting rules right

[waxen ruin]

Im talking about the functions, being optional

[neat linden]

like i said that's a no

[waxen ruin]

Um ok...

[frail mantle]

suggesting to readd old content is disallowed yes

it was removed for a reason, essentially

[waxen ruin]

Bruh

Oh well

I really miss the old version

[neat linden]

you know you can downgrade calamity and play on them

[waxen ruin]

Wait what.

[neat linden]

you can download past releases from #mod-downloads

they reach down to like, calamity 1.2

or smth

many mods have a github where you can easily get past releases

[waxen ruin]

Do you happen to know which version has everyones fav space slime boi

[unborn siren]

get the Catslyst mod if you want to fight him

[neat linden]

^ but if you want the old calamity release for reasons

[waxen ruin]

I have the catslyst mod, and its bussin

[neat linden]

i believe 1.3.4.1 is the latest that does have it

[waxen ruin]

Niooce. Thank you!

[neat linden]

note that some of your current mods may not work 100% well with it

so probably use just calam and cheat sheet, maybe some basic qol works

[cobalt heath]

wait, so i can go back to the 8.8mil hp scal era?

[neat linden]

easily

1.4.5.7 is an easy downgrade

[cobalt heath]

Ill remember that

cause if i want to slap yharon the old way sometime

ill have my fun

[neat linden]

I even personally have 1.4.5 archived on my pc just in case

[cobalt heath]

(back when there was heal <3)

[waxen ruin]

So i should disable the new calamity, but have the old one enabled?

[cobalt heath]

go to #help-advice-read-pins for those guestions

[hollow shell]

@pastel seal There are other mods which do that

Or at least things very similar to that

[pastel seal]

ok but it would be cool to atleast have an official submod supporting it

[hollow shell]

Really doesn't need to be Calamity-specific

[tardy smelt]

do true melee 1.4.5 yharon

have a good time :3

[digital saddle]

There's precedent for making vanilla recipes less extreme in calamity though

Like just last update didn't chloro bars get reduced from 6 to 5 ore

[eternal escarp]

Though tbf specifically for shroomite

You can just kill crabulon a few times

[eternal escarp]

@elfin plover you should reason the suggestion better

[elfin plover]

like state how annoying it is? eh

[eternal escarp]

I get why you suggest it snd youre not the first, but you still meed to have a good reasoning in the suggestion description

[digital saddle]

im sort of averse to excessively verbose suggs

[fossil finch]

We have a exclaim bingo of 8 today

[crude geode]

@hollow shell bot dead

[hollow shell]

What

How can that be

@inland saddle

[crude geode]

It’s been dead for a while now actually, more than a day lol

[inland saddle]

Yeah not sure what’s causing that

But I’ll look at it when I get home

Currently at work

The bot isn’t actually dead but something went wrong with the timer

I don’t know what’s causing the issue but I know what the issue is and I know how to fix it

[hollow shell]

Aight cool

[unique vector]

@jaunty cloud that's a bug

[ashen warren]

i was gonna say that

[unique vector]

not gonna hark on you for formatting & reasoning bc its not an intentional feature anyway lol

[ashen warren]

is my discord being dumb or are they not in the server anymore

[violet dagger]

nope they are gone

[ashen warren]

..nice one

[unique vector]

lol!

just gonna delete it then

[tropic yoke]

Anyone else think the throwing-the-second-blade-out part of the AoTE is too inconsistent?

[ashen warren]

terrerai player

is this enough for me ot kill wall of flesh

on revengeance

or is there anything else I need to prepare for

[tropic yoke]

Probs take that to #calamity-mod-talk my dude

[ashen warren]

oh shit

my bad

[tropic yoke]

lol

It happens

[frozen hornet]

Inconsistent in what way?

I'm at early post-ML in my melee pt so I'll try to see if anything feels a little off

[tropic yoke]

The window to do the snap attack is super small and I'm p sure if your mouse is too close to your player when you throw it out the window appears earlier

[frozen hornet]

Well the scissor gets thrown out to the mouse's position so the snap happens earlier if you have your mouse close

[tropic yoke]

Barely makes it worth 2 charged slices

[tropic yoke]

Idk I just can't focus on a boss, its projectiles, how many swings away I am from throwing it out, and then releasing the mouse in the 0.2s window which happens depending on how far away my mouse is

[frozen hornet]

That's fair

You could suggest to increase the time window ig

[tropic yoke]

I was thinking if immediately releasing it would make it snap after it reached its max length

Cuz with the True Biome Blade's Sanguine Fury, you can immediately let go and click again to do its dash attack

[gray nebula]

fake fake fake fake

Fake

[tropic yoke]

wot

[gray nebula]

I coded it and im almost certain that no releasing the mouse earlier wont change anything

[small timber]

@hollow shell sorry for the ping, is the add biome blade/ark to other class suggestion allowed? Since pretty sure it is just equivalent to "add cool weapon to other class" (and devs will not intentionally add garbage weapon making it pointless)

[gray nebula]

no i mean releasing the mouse earlier will be good because you will save more time

what i meant is that how close ur mouse is doesnt matter

[tropic yoke]

Huh I tested it and it does seem like that

How about this one:
I can release at the exact moment when the little shing noise plays and the second blade won't come out

[tropic yoke]

Did you come up with all the ideas cuz it's fuckin' amazing besides the little inconsistency

[hollow shell]

@gentle chasm I agree with your suggestion but you should make your reasoning more substantial.
You could bring up their ability to be recognized/identified by players.

[hollow shell]

uhh ehhhh

Unsure

[tropic yoke]

Space attunement would be p cool

[gentle chasm]

yeah that too

[hollow shell]

Iban did do almost everything regarding the two lines by himself

With dev feedback as he progressed

but it was very much his project

[tropic yoke]

Yeah would this be a suggestions thing or a bugs thing

I throw, the shing noise happens, but no second blade

[grim tusk]

The scissor snap is done in a precise window

You’ll get the hang of it

[tropic yoke]

Signaled by the shing

afaik

cuz it doesn't happen if I release too early

[frozen hornet]

Yeah you're supposed to release after the sound I think

[tropic yoke]

Except sometimes even that doesn't ensure a snip

[fossil finch]

I don't see how crawlers are any hard to recognize

They're all the color of the gems

There's no shared colors

For me it's just silly to limit such a thing for no reason

[grim tusk]

They even have differing designs

[tropic yoke]

Ye

[grim tusk]

Makes em unique

And also helps with colorblindness i guess

[tropic yoke]

It is a tad difficult to determine what kind it is until you're right on it tho

Usually I figure out what it was by what it drops

[small timber]

I mean if specifically referring to the devs I think his opinion is already given (regarding the suggestion)

^ this too (which is why I am insistent on getting check if it is passable)

[hollow shell]

(that video-audio delay jesus christ)

[tropic yoke]

I have no fucking idea how sharex works you're lucky I figured out audio capture at all lmao

Also I managed to kill Providence with it :D
I guess it does take a bit of practice but I did still get a few shing-no-snips during the fight
If I wasn't already talking about them so much it'd've really thrown me off

"It'd've"

Would something maybe happen if I made a suggestion tho?

[small timber]

@summer bluff calamity extra music is not part of calamity, it is literally impossible

[summer bluff]

oh

but cant they add it to the extra music mod itself

[hybrid steeple]

they did

[small timber]

and I think the owner of extra music do not want to be associated with calamtiy anymore

[summer bluff]

wait what

[hybrid steeple]

its there

[small timber]

ya, so unless they already have music boxes then there is really nothing that can be done

[summer bluff]

dang

[small timber]

@cerulean trench suggestion about reverting changes/reverting to old version is not allowed

regardless of the reason, changes are done for a reason, even if it is just an option/config to revert it

[cerulean trench]

ahh, alright

[summer bluff]

the extra music mod says it has 6 items are those music boxes

[cerulean trench]

pretty sure

[small timber]

maybe, since the mod do not really add anything else

I can check

[summer bluff]

ill turn on cheat sheet and check

[hybrid steeple]

yes

[small timber]

ya they are music box, although I think it is not all music the mod provided

[hybrid steeple]

p sure it is

[summer bluff]

ive tried getting them how you do with music boxes normally and it didnt work, is there some special thing you have to do

[hybrid steeple]

idk

[small timber]

blizzard, queen bee, eater of world, king slime, mech bosses, meteor

[hybrid steeple]

they might be inaccessable

[summer bluff]

but yes there are 6 of them here

[summer bluff]

yes

[small timber]

pretty sure missing bosses like lunatic cultist and duke fishron

[hybrid steeple]

isnt that all it adds

[summer bluff]

yeah

[small timber]

but nothing can be done really

[summer bluff]

bruh

[small timber]

since the music owner dont want to be associated with calamtiy anymore

unless the creator/dev of calamity extra music is not the music owner

[summer bluff]

it says the mod is by turquoise

[small timber]

then ya it definitely is not happening, turquoise is the mentioned music owner

[summer bluff]

rip

[unique vector]

@ripe owl your reasoning is pretty weak

"doesn't make sense"? is there a reason why it doesnt make sense? can you build on that?

what do you mean by "resulting into abuse" for the cheap hits part?

[ripe owl]

Okay yeah let me rebuild the suggestion

[unique vector]

why do you contradict yourself aafterwards by saying "then again you won't be able to abuse it for a lot?"

please repost yeah, ty

[ripe owl]

Done

By editing the original message

[small timber]

from testing, if you do not have a weapon that have significant DPS that you can clear energies reliably, you basically have to rely on valor/aegis dash to avoid contact of energies, however since cv itself is invulnerable during energies phase valor/aegis basically ignore cv and you can hit anyway (with contact damage)

and this is on top of the fact that cv also move anticlockwise on a timer that is not really noticeable (while changing energies position), making dodging energies even harder and increasing the chance of you to just dash into cv

[ripe owl]

It's not really about the phase itself

It's about the preparation for it

Because it's much easier to fight CV when it stays still just like you

[small timber]

the problem is it is also not staying still

wait sorry I probably should had mention this, the above statement was not to dispute your suggestion but to add more onto the reasons (since it was told to be reposted)

[ripe owl]

Oh

Huh, thanks I guess

[small timber]

at least I think cv being completely invulnerable and cannot aegis/valor dash pass it will be part of the problem

[inland saddle]

Bot is back up

In ~5 minutes the suggs should get caught up

There they go

[cobalt pewter]

nice

[inland saddle]

Love working till 1am (no I don’t)

[cobalt pewter]

[ripe owl]

I like how most of suggestions are marked with ! and neither are fixed or deleted by authors

[ashen warren]

you can tell someone their sugg is literally impossible, theyll go oh ok

then just leave it up

[fleet igloo]

I have an old sugg that fell just short probably would've been sent if it weren't posted during a week with a lot of popular suggs, when can I re-suggest it and how should I go about it

[small timber]

I hear you need to wait for at least one month (or even 4, no proper standard yet) before reposting

regardless how how many votes it get, as long as it was in voting

[fleet igloo]

It's the T3 acid rain helping get bloodworms one

[eternal escarp]

@fringe sentinel suggesting a mechanic that was purposefully removed, aka old content, would very likely not pass

as it is a Don't from the document

and besides

"Legendarys" are planned to have more unique ways to acquire them, like the SHPC i believe

[fringe sentinel]

I didn't really think about the unique obtainment thing

[small timber]

@cobalt pewter while not exactly the implemented yet, #suggestions-voting message do get approved so, there is a chance sometime in the future it get implemented

and I don't think forcing uzi droprate to be high on tier will be a good argument, since the counter argument is always that there will be many other weapon you can use, so the suggestion above where the main purpose is for late game crafting will make much more sense

[cobalt pewter]

I never said to explicitly raise the droprate, just making it more accessible in any way

[small timber]

(although that said, they did make the pulse bow more obtainable, so you might make the case)

[cobalt pewter]

also this sugg is good on reasoning (I should mention the donor weapon I think) but the sugg was before new bot, so there should still some merits in keeping the sugg maybe? idk approved suggs can be confusing

might do the edit tomorrow

[small timber]

ya not sure how that work, but I think should be no problem? since it is still slightly different (more obtainable on-tier vs make it easily obtainable for late game crafting only)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I think I'll keep my original idea of the sugg for now?

either way the p90 retier is kinda what made me sugg this

while I don't see an issue with p90 retier itself, it's significantly more accessible on tier than uzi on the same tier

[small timber]

probably? I just personally think the argument of making a specific weapon more obtainable (for the purpose of just using it), can be a bit weak (but you can just provide strong reasoning anyway), but other than that should be no problem

[cobalt heath]

uzi should just be buffed tbh

[onyx wigeon]

"make gem crawler sprites different colors for recognizability"
you can just hover your mouse over them to see their names

[unique vector]

arent they also very distinct colors based ontheir gem type

[eternal escarp]

and shapes

[gray nebula]

Shapes dont matter at all

No new player will go "ah yes the (shaped one) i know which one it is

Like who memorizes that

and i can agree their colors are kinda scuffed

frous paletted even

[eternal escarp]

idk some of the shapes do resemble the actual gems

crystal, amber, diamond and ruby specifically fit in my eyes

[unique vector]

tbf they arent distinct enough shape wise

they all look like soft gummies

[eternal escarp]

eh fair

[golden tulip]

wtf

whats the bottom right

i have never seen that one

[sleek turret]

crystal crawlers

they're hallow underground enemies and drop crystal shards on death

[golden tulip]

damn

guess im not im the ug hallow enough

its not even necessary for that one to exist there's an abundance of shards everywhere

[deft yew]

they also drop crystal blade which is

[digital saddle]

imo the hallowed one should drop more crystal shards

since they're a pretty common crafting material early hm

it drops like 2-3

iirc

[onyx wigeon]

i mean i guess making their colors more true to the gems would be neat but kinda pointless, they already look dope

[winter moth]

uuunrelated, but I like the idea of buffing the... regular enemies that you'd normally say "watch your tone MF" to and onetap post ML.

[onyx wigeon]

lol it would actually make things interesting ngl

[fossil bronze]

tbh post-ml also has a serious lack of unique enemies

there's less post-ml enemies than hardmode or pre-hardmode calamity enemies alone

[cobalt heath]

tho it makes sence

it was designed around the bosses

[eternal escarp]

and it is planned to have more content in between Eventually™️

[hot zephyr]

No

It'd be much better to make new enemies if needed

Because if we buff every enemy to early-pml, they'd be invalidated again once you beat Providence.

Also, with so many weapons being homing/piercing tiles, a lot of weapons would just straight up annihilate from a screen away regardless of what arbitrary HP value we gave them

See something like Dazzling Stabber

Oops, enemies gone!

It is a shared sentiment, though, between devs and players that more non-boss content should be in Post ML, which will be addressed in future updates

What keeps Hardmode fresh, is that enemies are replaced with upgraded versions and not just stat boosts. Even with just a slightly different sprite it'd feel better than "Oops! This Possessed Armor has 5k hp."

I do think suggesting upgraded enemies akin to what Hardmode does would be neat, it's jarring to have cosmic events go down in-game and the local fauna and flora is completely unbothered for the most part.

[digital saddle]

Well you can't suggest upgraded enemies

Because that's against sugg rules

[cobalt heath]

thus i would remove the sugg

cause its irrelevant

and dev plans for totally new mobs

[digital saddle]

I think this is a decent compromise in the meantime

Personally

I was thinking more like 15k hp possessed armor honestly

That would be a lot closer to how enemies are in early hardmode relative to your power level

I can see the issues with it but I feel it's still worth suggesting

[gray nebula]

Stop holding the biome blade

[hybrid steeple]

literally just
press 2

[gray nebula]

I can't make it not change attunements when using rmb very easily without making it a lot less handlable

[hot zephyr]

just don't make it some specific fanmade concept

[gray nebula]

dont want ur buff slots to be eaten? Easy, dont use the candles

[dapper thicket]

but the candles are good

[gray nebula]

use less other buffs then

[dapper thicket]

but then I die

[gray nebula]

The voluntarily decision to not increase the buff cap was because it acts as some sorta balancing thing to prevent players from getting every single buff at once etc

[dapper thicket]

Oh I thought it was like a hardcoded limit that couldn't be modded

[frail mantle]

there does exist other mods that remove the limit

[dapper thicket]

It's not even necessary over loading on buffs it's that I'll be close to limit and then when I get set on fire and drink a healing potion those debuffs push me over the edge

[unborn siren]

draft:

Add a number of seconds remaining to the cooldown rack display

The display doesn't show the amount of time left as a number, which is annoying because before it was implemented you could see the exact amount of time left right under the debuff icon. Adding a seconds display would make it easier to see the exact amount of time left without having to memorize how long the cooldown is and estimating the amount of time left based on how much of the circle is filled in.

[gray nebula]

do you need to know how much time is left though

[unborn siren]

it does help to know exactly how much longer you have to dodge Yharon's bullet hell before you can GS dash through it again

[golden tulip]

you managed to make aotc not parry when interacting with stuff tho

[gray nebula]

yea but it's because I just used the default right click function thing that's used by most weapons with a right click there

the real issue is that because there's default attunements for the biome blade I'd need to do some really fucky stuff for it to work properly

because when you have a right click, by default the weapon will still act like normal

it's easy to stop the player from casting any regular projectiles if using right click, but it'll still swing

so I can easily prevent a right click from shooting any of the ark's blades (I achieved the custom swing anim by making the swords be projectiles), but if its something like the biome blade's unnatuned state / default swing state, it won't rly work

[golden tulip]

copium

[hot zephyr]

@gray nebula smh these choomfies have it too good
when I tested biome blade it sent your inventory slots to the shadow realm 😤

[gray nebula]

the Intended way

[frozen hornet]

@pale knoll that sounds like a bug

[small timber]

Buff slot (especially combination buff) will cause serious balancing concern

If you dont want to deal with buff slot simply install mods like unlimited buff slot

[fossil finch]

It is

[fossil finch]

that's a bug, update your mod

(Latest update has another bug, though, and you'll have to run mp for phase 2 transition to work, no extra players needed, just the world run on mp)

[small timber]

(also how did another dungeon arena suggestion get in)

[grim tusk]

@pale knoll
1- bug reports go in #bugs-read-pins not there
2- update your mod
3- kill DoG in multiplayer

[frozen hornet]

why MP?

[fossil finch]

bug

P2 transition doesn't happen in sp

[frozen hornet]

oh does MP fix that

[fossil finch]

Yes

[frozen hornet]

[small timber]

Disabling a feature instead of working on fixing the bug sounds extremely counterintuitive

[novel belfry]

i'd assume the devs would be working on the bugfix while the feature is disabled

[small timber]

Because how can devs know there is bug if the feature is disabled, only to encounter bug again when it is reenabled

[novel belfry]

not sure if i conveyed that in my suggestion

[novel belfry]

it would be disabled in the public release, not the test versions

[fossil finch]

Just fix the bug?????

this is absolutely pointless

[novel belfry]

i said it was a provisional change yknow

[fossil finch]

It wouldn't speed up next patch's release

[novel belfry]

but it would make the player enjoyment of the mod actually exist again

[fossil finch]

again, just fix the bug

[small timber]

I'd assume there is still slight difference (in some way) between test and public version that cause bugs go rampant, otherwise some bugs dont make any sense to not get detected in test version

Like the no gold drop enemy dont die bug when 1.5 just released

[fossil finch]

For this sugg to apply not only you'd have to wait a week or two, they'd have to approve it
Just fix the bug for next release, no need to do something like this if the solution will not take long or requires things that are a lot of work

[crude geode]

what an extreme over exaggeration of the problem

very logical reasoning for your suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

#bugs-read-pins ????????

tf y'all doing here

[fossil finch]

They already know

also like, feed, read

Smh

[cobalt pewter]

I won't

[fossil finch]

there's also the fact that you can just run in mp

[cobalt pewter]

😎

[novel belfry]

i tried and its also buggy

and laggy

[fossil finch]

ok

Then wait for the fix

👍

[novel belfry]

im tired of waiting honestly
if they say that the current release fixes the bug but actually no you have to go into multiplayer, why bother?

[small timber]

Ya for the suggestion to get through and into devs voting (likely to get denied) will probably take longer than for the bug to get fixed

[novel belfry]

i'll admit that though

[cobalt pewter]

cope harder

these devs aren't paid (bar Fab)

waiting is your best option

[novel belfry]

fuck

[crude geode]

me when a free mod doesn't fix itself in less than a day

[novel belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Two latest suggs are bugs, exclaim them please

[small timber]

I think the candle one is somewhat finicky too, considering the reasoning is just " buff slot management hard, I want use many buffs"

When candles like spiteful and weighless (on a tankier setup even vigorous) are all considered grossly overpowered

And the alternative solution is just install unlimited buff slot

[cobalt pewter]

just remove candles

[novel belfry]

it doesn't seem finicky, it makes sense

[small timber]

No I dont mean the candles, I mean the suggestion

[lucid flare]

its a balancing thing

[small timber]

It is like saying "I cant bothered to manage accessories, I want to use all of them, please give 8th accessory slot"

[lucid flare]

mostly to prevent players from using 59 buffs in a boss battle

[cerulean trench]

any changes or anything to make?

[gray nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-cr7-cristiano-ronaldo-smile-gif-14986322

Why

[cerulean trench]

why what?

[gray nebula]

Why

[crude geode]

bc the game isn't biased enough to melee as is

[gray nebula]

Should we add more arkhalis like weapons

why should we make it a subclass and why should the subclass benefit both from both classes

[fossil finch]

No

👍

[cerulean trench]

terraria itself's fault for adding 37 melee subclasses

[fossil finch]

that doesn't mean you will worsen the issue by

adding

A mixed damage subclass? Mixed damage that was removed because it sucked and discouraged variety across classes? Sylvian Slasher doesn't make sense and it's not a reason for making this also rogue to begin with, and there's just no reason to do this at all

[cerulean trench]

i said "if that isnt possible or too hard to do, just stick with melee

also, i mean both damages in one weapon

[fossil finch]

it's neither things

It's just bad

[cerulean trench]

but why

every weapon type has gotten its time in the spotlight

at least once

[frozen hornet]

Murasama isn't all that interesting

It's just Big

[fossil finch]

because it:
Makes no sense at all
Is boring
Discourages weapon variety or whatever

Is comically uninspired in general

[cerulean trench]

it is big, and it looks cool too

[fossil finch]

yes and that's fine

Doesn't justify having a whole subclass of murasamas

[frozen hornet]

especially if it's just the same but different sizes

[cerulean trench]

murasamas and

you know

arkhalises

whats the major difference between a spear and a shortsword

staffs and books

[fossil finch]

Not a lot; and that's precisely why some of those weapons may get reworked or removed on the future

Magic weapons are defined by what they do and not what they look like so that's not relevant at all

[cerulean trench]

i know that

[frozen hornet]

So if those are not all different why would you add another subclass that isn't all that different either instead of
Y'know
Reworking the existing ones

[cerulean trench]

but why is the subsumming vortex a book and vivid clarity a staff

they could go either way

[fossil finch]

because they are

Why is anything anything it could be anything else

What's your point

[frozen hornet]

I would rather them spend effort on making the redundant tomes and staves and guns and bows and stuff instead of adding 30 copies of arkhalis

[cerulean trench]

what about the swords

[frozen hornet]

yeah rework the swords too

Don't add more

[cerulean trench]

exactly

[fossil finch]

i wonder :clueless:

[cerulean trench]

so

[fossil finch]

My neurons just had a short circuit

What

[cerulean trench]

look, just because they have the same moveset doesnt mean they cant be unique

like

really

[frozen hornet]

yes but you're suggesting to add them

[fossil finch]

How is any of this relatsd to your sugg

[frozen hornet]

You need a reason to suggest it

[fossil finch]

You just

Don't have a reason for this

[cerulean trench]

my reason is that every other god damn weapon type in the game can be fully played through except for what i think is one of the most interesting ones

[fossil finch]

quick!

Someone list literally all "other" weapons to ever fucking exist

(That's not a reason, first because it's not true, second because it's just not a reason, there's no need to have every type of weapon playable at every stage of the game; it's called variety)

[lucid flare]

idk how a gif hitbox is interesting

[cerulean trench]

i think its funny that you can get a paladins hammer and then play the rest of the game with it and its upgrades

with

[frozen hornet]

So it's a suggestion to make a subclass viable

That's a don't

[lucid flare]

oh ya lol

[cerulean trench]

its not a full subclass if there are 4 weapons in the game for it

[lucid flare]

its a subclass according to you

[cerulean trench]

guys hammer subclass (real)

[lucid flare]

internally called a boomerang

[frozen hornet]

It's a set of weapons of a similar type belonging to a class

[cerulean trench]

add enough to make it a full subclass

[frozen hornet]

A subclass

[fossil finch]

Hating on a random subclass doesn't make your sugg more valid

[frozen hornet]

yeah that's literally a don't

[cerulean trench]

i know, im just trying to prove a point

[fossil finch]

you're proving the point that what you're asking for is pointless

[cerulean trench]

are the 435789684537 redundant swords in the mod pointless

[fossil finch]

yes they are

[cerulean trench]

yes

exactly

[fossil finch]

Not an argument, they're getting reworked for that reason

[frozen hornet]

If they're worthless why add more then?

[cerulean trench]

so what makes adding unique weapons with an interesting moveset redundant

[frozen hornet]

also

From the sugg don'ts

[cerulean trench]

bitch dont tell me you are using an arkhalis on providence

[fossil finch]

You're trying to dismiss the issue your suggestion has because it already exists while ignoring the issue is acknowledged and will be fixed progressively as the mod moves forward

[lucid flare]

maybe not but if the devs listened to your suggestion and made gif hitbox sword 11 they could

[frozen hornet]

My point is that your suggestion is not allowed because it doesn't follow the rules

[cerulean trench]

how do i cause an argument everywhere i go

[cerulean trench]

i read the rules

i apparently didnt see that

ig i should go fuck myself and use the 507 swords in the mod until the end of time

[grave zinc]

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Guide Voodoo Doll stackable]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cobalt heath - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add lore based dialogue to Calamitas npc]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@hardy dock - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase Scorn Eater drop yields and make them into a Rare Enemy]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Cnidirion a death Gore.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@timid flower - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add A Brief Explanation Of The Early Hardmode Rework To The Pwnhammer's description]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cerulean trench]

lets go

very beginner friendly addition

👍

ight bring the flame

any changes?

[half sage]

would be actively detrimental, coin limit is stored as a value of copper coins, having too many platinum can already loop you back to stores having you counted as having no money

having a tier higher than platinum would only exacerbate that

unless they change the money system entirely

which would be pointless because who's stacking multiple hundreds of platinum coins

[cerulean trench]

i think all they need to do is make money a 64-bit integer instead of 32-bit

which

could be really hard

or super easy

idk

i checked, and the max is 2 of those max coins

before it rolls back

but with 64 bits

let me check

9E21 coins

• 223 quadrillion

[small timber]

the player never need more than 100 platinum (for most of the game unless you make mass purchase) so having higher value money is completely pointless

for the entire game you likely never need more than 999 platinum coin (which is the upper limit NPC can detect) so this make it even more pointless, plus you have to actually earn that much

for the rest of the game where even 1 platinum can be hard to earn this too will not be useful

[cerulean trench]

alright, i see

but i still stand by the coin gun upgrade

[small timber]

the problem is do the player actually need to have money that high value, not necessary how useful it will be

coin gun upgrade is a weird case of balancing, in that platinum coin is completely broken so late game coin gun is not a good idea

considering you can actually use platinum coin as ammo late game

[cerulean trench]

oh fr

and its actually good

?

[small timber]

it is a Hardmode pre-boss weapon that do 200 damage per shot

on near megashark fire rate

if it is balanced for post-ML (eg an upgrade) it will be beyond broken unless they intentionally tune it down (like the star cannon upgrades)

[half sage]

yea coin gun is balance hell because platinum coins do high damage but are hard to come by at the stage the gun is at, making a late game version where platinum is easier to farm is

[small timber]

ya the only way they make it balanced is by meganerf platinum coin with the coin gun upgrade, which will basically make it not coin gun

(like how star cannon upgrades kinda is no way near as powerful as star cannon at their respective point of progression)

[cerulean trench]

funny

at least yall are actually making a point instead of calling me stupid for wanting more arkhalis type weapons

[small timber]

ya I did see that, arkhalis kinda is not a subclass tbh

more like a style of melee weapon

it is kinda like biome blade to the broadsword subclass

[cerulean trench]

its not developed enough to be a subclass

[fleet igloo]

How much in terms of actual rewards does T3 acid rain have now? It's just 3 items with the Nuclear Terror and Mauler drops right?

Compared to 1-2 for each class for T1 and T2

[small timber]

kinda, and old duke at the end, basically to prepare for DoG (as the weapon are powerful enough)

[fleet igloo]

Ok so the bloodworm thing could still be reposted

[small timber]

normally subclass is divided by functionality difference and less by their unique animation/attack style

[fleet igloo]

I'll try to rewrite it I guess

[cerulean trench]

i usually skip duke and kill polter before providence just to shred her bc its the worst fight in the game

[small timber]

(if you can find a completely different reason maybe, reposting in general need a period of time pass though)

[cerulean trench]

yea

[fleet igloo]

Hasn't it been a week since the last post

[small timber]

eg: for melee (in this case) you have broadsword and shortsword which are different subclass because they are functionally different (broadsword=overhead swing, shortsword only attack front), flail (projectile firing, retracting), yoyo etc

[cerulean trench]

and you only get another dicer after providence or polterghast

[small timber]

but less like murasama subclass and arkhalis subclass

so arkhalis is more like a unique weapon and less of an actual subclass of weapon

[fleet igloo]

Any suggestions for new reasoning

[cerulean trench]

what was the thing you wanted

[small timber]

kinda hard tbh, other than "add more content/drop for ar3"

[fleet igloo]

Ok what about "connect OD better to the acid rain"

[small timber]

considering how they intentionally do not want to tie OD to acid rain

[fleet igloo]

Wait really

[small timber]

someone suggested something similar and is deliberately denied

[fleet igloo]

Wait where

[small timber]

I think the idea is just like normal duke: make it completely intentional

[cerulean trench]

yea

[fleet igloo]

Wait can someone pull up that message for me

[small timber]

a different suggestion, but it is something along the line of "locking abyss/acid rain tier 3 behind OD"

[fleet igloo]

Oh

[cerulean trench]

yea, but it could be developed into so so much more

i would consider murasama as an arkhalis

but thats debateable

[small timber]

it depends, since arkhalis is kinda not a very functional weapon into hardmode, unless they make it comically big (which will make it basically similar to other swords and less unique)

[fleet igloo]

#suggestions-voting message
It's this one, I think it's different enough

[cerulean trench]

my idea is to add some that deal massive damage up close, but also have ranged attacks

i mean like sylvan slasher

[fleet igloo]

I think the main problem is "move deep abyss away from Polterghast" rather than "connect Old Duke to acid rain better"

[cerulean trench]

the way you can take it around the screen

or like devils sunrise

that has a short ranged projectile

[fleet igloo]

There's still the problem of OD being annoying to spawn (I'm not wrong on this right? Haven't actually found any bloodworms)

[small timber]

sorry I cant find the suggestion, forgot the wording, must be pretty early, though I do explicitly remember denied reason being they want old duke to be completely optional

so basically with no content locked behind it

[cerulean trench]

how do you get bloodworm

[fleet igloo]

It's this one

Make Old Duke unlock Abyss tier 3 and 4 instead of Polterghast
At the moment there's no real reason to play Acid rain tier 3, while i believe it's a fun event, there needs to be more at stake then it simply giving access to Old Duke. This is why I suggest that instead of Polterghast unlocking the Tier 3 and 4 abyss, an action that doesn't really make too much sense, we make Old Duke do it instead, due to the connection between the abyss and sulfurous sea. It also makes Acid rain and Old duke an actually important event, as right now, there's nothing to gain from fighting other than a few weapons. This way there's a reason to fight Old Duke and a reason to do the event as well. It also wouldn't really hurt Polterghast in a major way, while he unlocks those items, Polter also gives access to the stratus weapons as well as a few odd weapons here and there, furthermore Polter's own set of weapons isn't too bad either, so giving the Abyss weapons to Old Duke would give him a reason to be viable, as well as keep Polter viable as he'd still be providing other extra weapons as well as a new armor set.

[fleet igloo]

It's a critter, but it spawns very rarely

[small timber]

ya, isn't your suggestion about locking acid rain tier 3 behind old duke?

[fleet igloo]

Not really

It's about solidifying Old Duke as the reward of Tier 3 and at the same time making spawning the boss less frustrating

[cerulean trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/938322196684763216.gif?quality=lossless&size=48

[small timber]

although another problem is also that you need to provide a reason why arkhalis upgrade is needed, other than "the weapon is unique", especially that there are many other melee weapon (with similar function tbh) that also works

since it is an essential requirement for suggestions to always have a reason

[fleet igloo]

Me speaking with no knowledge: Maybe use it to hopefully solve weapon bloat

[cerulean trench]

another reason is that nearly every other unique weapon has a playable subclass

[half sage]

how does adding more weapons solve weapon bloat

[cerulean trench]

removing redundant weapons and adding unique ones helps

eg. entropic claymore

[fleet igloo]

Turn existing weapons into Arkhalis style instead of them being all the same

There was that sugg about Terra Shiv, what about that

[cerulean trench]

that is another way of doing it

[small timber]

I don't think that is really true tbh, it is more that many subclass have entire upgrade tree for that subclass (not necessary every unique weapon), so it is more like a playable subclass has unique weapon and less a unique weapon has a playable subclass

since as stated above, arkhalis is more a unique weapon and less a subclass

[small timber]

ya that will likely work more, if that is the case

considering the 100 normal swing broadsword that will (eventually) have to get reworked

[cerulean trench]

entropic claymore is the most redundant sword in the game

fr

[small timber]

you can make the case for many of the weapon, even 1 normal swing broadsword per progression point is kinda enough

[cerulean trench]

it should be a recipe item for terratomere like it used to be

[cerulean trench]

ehh, but that removes uniqueness and exploration

but you dont need 20 per progression point

maybe 7 or 8 could do

all with unique projectiles (or none)

[small timber]

although back to the suggestion before too off topic, it is probably hard to find reasoning for the suggestion, in this case probably just "change some of the broadsword to have more unique attack animation like arkhalis"?

if you seriously just want more arkhalis-like weapon

[cerulean trench]

i didnt say to change weapons, i said to make unique and cool ones

new stuff

[small timber]

new stuff is not really needed (as we already have the 100 normal swing broadsword), they can just rework them (eventually) instead of adding new ones

new one still require new sprite etc, so reworking is more preferable

[cerulean trench]

yea true

[small timber]

since in the end it is actually no different, just whether new sprite/item name is needed

[cerulean trench]

yea

ig there could be a left click and right click attact

one thats true melee and does tons of damage

and one that shoots a projectile

but does less

[small timber]

probably shouldn't mention left/right click in your suggestion though, that function is more often reserved for legendary weapon

or donor item etc

basically mentioning it will make your suggestion get denied for being too specific (or too high effort), if you want to suggest just suggest to change some of the broadsword into arkhalis, though you have to provide reasoning yourself (because I cant really think of much when they eventually have to rework them anyway)

[cerulean trench]

donate 14 times, get 14 arkhalis style weapons in the game, profit

:troll:

[cerulean trench]

thats true

[small timber]

considering even a suggestion like this got into voting, so I think your suggestion will be passable? not sure

[cerulean trench]

bro this suggestion is poop

how tf do you add a summoner weapon that does that

you dont

boom

ranged

idk

boom

mage

random projectiles

boom

roge

idfk dude

[fleet igloo]

So I found this, but uh

[cerulean trench]

2020 btw

[small timber]

another soon™ suggestion

[fleet igloo]

This too

What's with the yellow border anyways

[cerulean trench]

idk

[small timber]

yellow border is if the devs never have a clear voting result of accept/deny

basically 50/50 vote

[fleet igloo]

Hmm so what now

If I had waited a week to post that sugg it probably would've been sent, I think it fell just one or two suggs short

[cobalt heath]

fuck yeeeeaaaaah

[small timber]

it is hard to make the case anyway, if duke fishron is dev's ideal form of old duke, then anything more than just weapon drop (or to some extent slightly unique drop like old duke's scale) will likely not work

considering the duke fishron basically only drop weapons and a mount

[cerulean trench]

ggs

tell me what you think :trollface:

[small timber]

(I will be honest eventually they will add lore dialogue anyway so )

[cobalt heath]

we finally gonna get more biome lore

[fleet igloo]

no OD mount smh
The sugg is to make T3 acid rain a way to get bloodworms so that it's clear OD drops are the main reward and also make OD less annoying to spawn

[small timber]

I think it looks fine but someone more critical than me will find problem with it, I think just post it to see others reaction to it

since like I said above I cant really find much reason that can be use for this suggestion

[small timber]

what if you suggest to "add a way to more consistently obtain bloodworms"? considering your concern is just how hard it is to refight old duke

[fleet igloo]

Hmm could work I guess?

[ashen warren]

why not just make them more interesting instead of turning a bland broadsword into another type of bland sword??

theres only 3 of them because you dont need any more, its not that interesting

[fleet igloo]

I'm not wrong on this right? I'm just speaking based on what I can see, and there might be something related to bloodworms that I'm not at the progression stage for yet

[cobalt heath]

tbh they should just change the remaining arkhalis type weapons to the murasama style

[small timber]

I think you can obtain bloodworm at any point now, problem is more with acquiring multiple of it

[cerulean trench]

you could make it not a bland sword???

[small timber]

arkhalis on a functioning term is not very unique but at the very least more usable than broadsword tbh

[fleet igloo]

So the spawn rate is still low right

[cobalt heath]

the arkahlis is a bland sword base

[cerulean trench]

yes

they all are

[small timber]

I think depend more on how much you need to refight old duke (eg: failed attempt)

[cerulean trench]

omg guns craaaaazy

[fleet igloo]

Hmm, isn't OD supposed to be a hard fight, so many attempts? no guaranteed drops moment

[cerulean trench]

but you can make them so much more than a bland sword

[ashen warren]

not if you limit it to a "dicer"

[small timber]

I think making bloodworm more consistently available is good, just don't know how to make it work, other than through acid rain is some way (which will be a repost)

[ashen warren]

why not simply say

make them more unique

[cerulean trench]

thats just what the weapon type could be called

for the lower end

[ashen warren]

thats still limiting and dumb

[fleet igloo]

I mean, "make it more unique" and suggesting Arkhalis types in the body could work?

[cerulean trench]

its not limiting like

supernova

its a damn grenade

animus

true melee

[ashen warren]

of which there are not very many

[cerulean trench]

you could just not limit it to being named a dicer

[ashen warren]

animus is literally a true melee sword with randomised damage, its not unique in a good way lo

[cerulean trench]

i mean names

[ashen warren]

im not talking about names

function

[cobalt heath]

no one gives a fuck about the name off a sword

[cerulean trench]

exactly

so why is it limiting

[ashen warren]

its not lmao

[cerulean trench]

you said it was limiting

its not

[ashen warren]

if you actually listened to me im talking about limiting the function of it to that of a "dicer" type weapon as you described them

[cerulean trench]

bro

its meant to be weapons similar to the arkhalis

[ashen warren]

but why, why do you want loads more of those. they arent interesting or unique enough

[cerulean trench]

they made hundreds of weapons based off the broadsword

[small timber]

I think if this is the case probably reword the suggestion, if your idea is to make broadsword have omnidirectional swing/swing style like murasama (instead of broadsword which is overhead swing only)

assuming your suggestion is not to turn broadsword into exact copy of arkhalis

[cerulean trench]

neither are boomerangs, spears, shortswords, flare guns, or books

a book can be a staff, a staff can be a book

[ashen warren]

those are way more unique than a "x" size slashing projectile in front of you

[cerulean trench]

thats because you have seen those items heavily developed

[ashen warren]

theres a small slashing and a big slashing plus a donor weapon

you dont need a medium one

etc

[cerulean trench]

a dicer could be as overdeveloped as a broadsword

im not saying thats good

but

its possible

[hot zephyr]

i think making more weapons into arkhalis clones ruins the uniqueness of the archetype

[cerulean trench]

you really seem to think that they couldnt shoot projectiles, ore have unique abilities, or anything

[hot zephyr]

and that there are more ways to rework swords than create permutations of Arkhalis

[ashen warren]

its not an arkahalis type weapon if it is barely like the arkahalis is it

[cerulean trench]

if it has that kind of moveset as a base, it counts

celestus is a boomerang

[ashen warren]

but why does it need that base

boomerangs are a subclass, the arkhalis is a niche weapon

[cerulean trench]

that could be transformed into a subclass

[ashen warren]

wyh

[hot zephyr]

I think the likelyhood of weapons getting converted to the arkhalis style is slim to none

[ashen warren]

it doesnt need to be, and as ian said, it runs the uniqueness of the 3 weapons that use it

[hot zephyr]

We do have some ideas for some underwhelming broadswords internally though

[keen zealot]

arkhalis is similar to how most broadswords should operate tbh

the overhead arc is inflexible

[cerulean trench]

thats a bit extreme, but he gets it

[keen zealot]

I disagree with making an arkhalis subclass though

that's just dumb

[hot zephyr]

when 1.4 eventually drops, shortswords should help fill the need for more precise melee weapons

[cerulean trench]

ok

[keen zealot]

it's still silly how broadswords are the only weapons that can't attack downward

[hot zephyr]

animus

animus should join heart rapier

[ashen warren]

(what happened to that)

[hot zephyr]

animus should be deleted

[ashen warren]

oh

[keen zealot]

you could make it more interesting instead of just yeeting it

[hot zephyr]

no

[crude geode]

heart rapier also got a ton of backlash for removal even tho approximately 4 people prolly used it b4

[hot zephyr]

we could make other weapons with more creative designs more interesting

[keen zealot]

that is in fact how removing things works

[hot zephyr]

animus is a bland weapon that isn't thematically interesting enough nor iconic enough to merit one

[keen zealot]

again, that can be changed

[crude geode]

couldn't you say that about a portion of melee weapons that are prolly getting reworked

[hot zephyr]

both it, and enmity could go into the shadow realm and nobody would care

[keen zealot]

I would

[hot zephyr]

nobody except a small minority of people

there's far more interesting weapons that deserve reworks

see: phaseslayer

[fleet igloo]

Why was Heart Rapier removed

[hot zephyr]

it's a spear with lifesteal

cool bug facts

if you use the biome blade, you can go equip the evil attunement and play with Heart Rapier but infinity% better

[fleet igloo]

Was it removed for being too OP or too boring

[hot zephyr]

boring

[crude geode]

being op just merits like. a nerf lol

[cerulean trench]

was the corrupt crusher blade or whatever removed

[hot zephyr]

i bring up phaseslayer as an example because it's cool as fuck, it's iconic being the final draedon's arsenal melee weapon but is very mechanically wonky and could be made much cooler (and less wrist-hurty)

corrupted crusher is still in the mod

[cerulean trench]

who the hell uses it lmao

[hot zephyr]

I do, actually

[cerulean trench]

oh damn

[hot zephyr]

It's an extremely cheap and useful earlygame melee weapon

granted, it's harder to obtain now that the evil scales are bag-exclusive

but having an earlygame source of cursed inferno/ichor with a strong base damage is severely underrated

[cerulean trench]

it does that?

daaamn

[hot zephyr]

it also reduces defense when no bosses are alive (probably should be changed)

[crude geode]

I still think this statement applies to a decent few melee weapons tbfh. such as flame melee weapns

[keen zealot]

it's a good weapon but it feels like shit

[cobalt pewter]

I'd still remove a good chunk of broadswords

[small timber]

cursed inferno is also like insanely good compare to ichor

[cobalt pewter]

there's a fine line between having choices and useless fucking bloat

reworking everything doesn't fix said problem

[hot zephyr]

it's known and this opinion is shared by a good majority of the devs

[cobalt pewter]

I'd appreciate reworks regardless, but the amount of swords are still mad overwhelming to me

[hot zephyr]

this isn't definitive but I'd like some options to be tier shifted, and some broadswords to be combined together thematically to be more intersting

[small timber]

calamity 1.5.9 "remove broadsword update" (coming soon™)

[crude geode]

I feel like the whole "BRIMSTONE flame sword (or even weapon in general)" isn't enough to save a lot of brimstone/clonelamitas drops

[hot zephyr]

the brimstone busters was one of the biggest examples in our discussion

[keen zealot]

anyways

my whole point is, you can't just say "fuck this one weapon in particular"

it's all or nothin baby

[hot zephyr]

for example moving hellkite up to scoria was something I remember fondly

[keen zealot]

there are two brimstone tier brimstone swords rn, right?

just fuckin merge em lamo

[crude geode]

you have like 4 different tiers of "fire related garbo"
hellstone
scoria
brimmy
clonelamitas

[frozen hornet]

One of them has a lunar-tier upgrade too

[crude geode]

even fuckin solar pillar if you consider that one

[hot zephyr]

blade of emnity goes into the trash

[keen zealot]

of these scoria is the most unique because it's more specifically hydrothermic vent themed, but still

[keen zealot]

more "solar plasma" than just "fire"

[hot zephyr]

the bloody edge line also needs something

now that night's edge isn't awful

it has become a product of the time, before we started rebalancing vanilla content

[cobalt pewter]

what if

bloody edge doesn't exist

[keen zealot]

caustic edge is also like that, right?

[cobalt pewter]

night's edge isn't even corruption themed

[frozen hornet]

I think iban plans on reworking caustic edge line

[hot zephyr]

toenail sword needs some love

[cobalt pewter]

toenail?

[frozen hornet]

or at least he has resprites planned for them

[keen zealot]

can confirm, leinfors said this himself

[hot zephyr]

tyrant ultisword

[keen zealot]

although he then went on to make the dubious claim that if anyone were to make a mod with a crimson night's edge they would also have to then make a corruption one

despite the fact that making a crimson night's edge means you think night's edge IS the corruption night's edge

[hot zephyr]

night's edge is corruption themed

idc what anyone says

[cobalt pewter]

wtf....

[cobalt pewter]

it has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven

[keen zealot]

can you really argue with the devs themselves

[hot zephyr]

too bad

I'm above science

[cobalt pewter]

bro....

[frozen hornet]

stalking

[hot zephyr]

true...

[cobalt pewter]

(jokes aside yeah NE has barely anything to do with corruption, the only tie ins are the purplish color scheme and "night")

idk

[hot zephyr]

no more yharim theme

[cobalt pewter]

I hate it

so much

[cobalt pewter]

pog

[hot zephyr]

it can now be a unique weapon

[keen zealot]

okay then, but don't come crawling back to the hospital because science is now also above you

[keen zealot]

NE has more in common with dark lance and demon scythe than any corruption items

[frozen hornet]

but ian the final one looks sussily similar to yharim's sword in poly's art...

[hot zephyr]

bloody edge will be cool one day because I know exactly how it can become cool

[cobalt pewter]

if NE is a corruption theme

make crimson variants of Dark Lance and Demon's Scythe

now

[frozen hornet]

no

[hot zephyr]

haha that'd be funny

[frozen hornet]

(bad)

[hot zephyr]

no

there will not be Red Lance

[hot zephyr]

too bad

[frozen hornet]

clearly bloody=/=crimson

[hot zephyr]

Dark Lance is actually viable we don't need to make a Calamity version then rebalance the original version requiring the Calamity version to be reworked to justify existence

[hot zephyr]

or maybe we remove it next patch 🚎

i simply do not know, these are just my wants and not some grand scheme

[cobalt pewter]

removing it is honestly probably more good

and all the bloody edge of other classes