@heady gale at the end of the day you are playing a game/mod with the intention of playing it the way the devs designed it
#suggestions-discussion
unique vector
keen zealot
easier =/= easy
heady gale
this one
unique vector
theres leeway to what devs can change to make things more enjoyable for players but at the end of the day its all subjective design
lucid flare
this just in: game gets harder with progression
unique vector
your ideas for “what will make provi better” are as subjective as everyone else here
maiden tartan
yharon is intended to be fought after dog and prov so while it's not always going to be the case for everyone it does make sense for yharon to be harder
dense ferry
Anyways, while I agree the difficulty spike from DoG to Yharon is big, just get good. I suffered to Yharon on Rev as well and eventually beat it, try to actually dodge it or lower the difficulty
unique vector
only difference is, you arent a developer
keen zealot
people die when they are killed
unique vector
simple as that
heady gale
by lowering their hp to 0
well if i did that, why would i not do that to yharon as well?
dense ferry
I can't give more help, I have never fought new Yharon
maiden tartan
yharon is also kind of interesting now because you can far outrun him vertically and dodge the flares like that
keen zealot
well if i did that, why would i not do that to yharon as well?
because skill issue? I fail to see how you're refuting our arguments
heady gale
wait did the update 8 dyas ago change anything about yharon?
dense ferry
well if i did that, why would i not do that to yharon as well?
Because you're not good enough
neat linden
wait did the update 8 dyas ago change anything about yharon?
yes
maiden tartan
the instadeath tornadoes are also beams
dense ferry
wait did the update 8 dyas ago change anything about yharon?
No, I'm just out of touch with Calamity
heady gale
oh, ima try the new one then
neat linden
removed the detonating flames (thank god)
lucid flare
also detonating flames are gone!
neat linden
and removed timed aggro
maiden tartan
yharon is honestly a fair bit easier now
lucid flare
(whatever they did i never fought him alone until very recently)
neat linden
i just did
heady gale
i dont know projectile names
dense ferry
(You didn't)
unique vector
your feedback is appreciated in all, but in a community as large as this any outside feedback is determined by popular consensus
maiden tartan
fight boss and find out
neat linden
he summoned annoying minions
keen zealot
i dont know projectile names
what do you think detonating flames are
heady gale
yharon is honestly a fair bit easier now
thats why, then i wasnt insane
neat linden
called detonating flames
keen zealot
thats why, then i wasnt insane
he was still beatable
unique vector
if your idea isnt liked by the majority then it wont be changed
heady gale
what do you think detonating flames are
the homing ones that can be hit by the player?
fossil bronze
i thought detonating flames were removed much longer ago
maiden tartan
he definitely was beatable before
dense ferry
DEFINETLY
maiden tartan
but it's just easier now
heady gale
if your idea isnt liked by the majority then it wont be changed
gotta love democrocy
dense ferry
Because people beat it
maiden tartan
simple as that
neat linden
the homing ones that can be hit by the player?
!wiki detonating flame
red stormBOT
unique vector
ehhhh nohitting isnt a good way to determine difficulty
heady gale
thx
dense ferry
ehhhh nohitting isnt a good way to determine difficulty
Yeah, just saying that, y'know, it was beatable
unique vector
beatable is different than enjoyable in some cases
dense ferry
Also to mention how well people mastered the Boss
maiden tartan
it was beatable and far more
unique vector
but ic what u mean
maiden tartan
was it enjoyable? subjective yeah
dense ferry
Completely subjective
maiden tartan
i thought an amr to his face was and still is rather enjoyable
golden tulip
ehhhh nohitting isnt a good way to determine difficulty
wait so genuinely wdym by this? i think its a pretty good way
well i thought so
heady gale
ehhhh nohitting isnt a good way to determine difficulty
no it isnt
fossil bronze
most players won't be nohitting?
heady gale
most players won't be nohitting?
thats why
unique vector
mungus
maiden tartan
ok picture this
if you take damage from a boss once you instantly die vs you can take 10 hits and still be alive
fossil bronze
and also it can be much harder to nohit than to just win
heady gale
its not a mesurement
maiden tartan
they're both the same difficulty to no hit
keen zealot
ease of nohitting is definitely a pretty good marker of whether a boss is easy or not
lucid flare
what if there were like 9274 projectiles on the screen that did like 1 damage would be hard to nohit but otherwise it wouldn't be a bother
unique vector
btw if you want to contiue this conversation move to #calamity-mod-talk so i actually have a reason to look in there
heady gale
if you really want to measure its diffeculty you need statistics and shit]
golden tulip
i guess damage wise its not a good way yea
golden tulip
btw if you want to contiue this conversation move to <#225030931008847874> so i ...
alr
dense ferry
Time to move to the other channel to watch this
keen zealot
what if there were like 9274 projectiles on the screen that did like 1 damage wo...
- this isn't good design
- this is an unrealistic example that actually cannot exist
unique vector
other channel pls!
maiden tartan
exaggeration
lucid flare
true it was just an exaggerated example
maiden tartan
but yea
unique vector
this has derailed from the suggestion
heady gale
yes
keen zealot
btw if you want to contiue this conversation move to <#225030931008847874> so i ...
should have done this over half an hour ago tbh
heady gale
well i have a suggestion, we all die and rest in peace, instead of arguing over a goddamned game
i am out
neat linden
Yeah no you didn't post a sugg
unique vector
well i wasnt here half an hour ago
crude geode
supreme mana potion users be like
I highly dislike this notion on the concept of it removing a natural boss spawn in favor of muh farming and a bland hold summon item #275591
keen zealot
this suggestion is entirely nullified by potions of return existing
shame that they don't exist in 1.3 outside of certain mods which a calamity player is not guaranteed to have
frail mantle
Shoutout to creative boss summon methods that fit in with the boss’ general theme and story
Gotta be one of my favorite genders
keen zealot
true
eternal escarp
we had this talk the other day
crude geode
We have this talk every other week wdym 
keen zealot
would this other day happen to be the day someone suggested to remove natural mech spawns?
eternal escarp
while polter and od's special spawn isnt exactly their main one its still a good thing they have a special spawn unlike every other boss in the mod
fossil bronze
best idea: remove boss summon items
green spindle
Ok, ill just kill him via cheat sheet and call it a day
eternal escarp
besides you can just
farm polter himself in conjuncture
he drops phantoplasm aswell im oretty sure
green spindle
I'm not at that point, I just entered post ml
eternal escarp
for the very low amount of 4 bosses with special spawn conditions itd be rather ech to remove one
actually not 4 right
about 6
drae, hvm/perfs, levi, deus, scal and od, polter to a certain extent
golden tulip
i dont count scal
or deus
its the same thing as bland summoning item 47 but now you use it on a block
😱
crude geode
Cool opinion
fossil bronze
can i repost a suggestion i made from before the change to voting
eternal escarp
if it didnt pass, kindof yes
fossil bronze
it didn't pass
dusty stirrup
Shoutout to creative boss summon methods that fit in with the boss’ general them...
Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah
fossil bronze
the suggestion was to make portabulb basically place a plantera's bulb
but you have to wait for it to grow
dusty stirrup
Polter's "custom" spawn isn't really anything interesting and it's broad af, I would rather see it go in its current iteration than leave it in just because it's "unique"
green spindle
I personally think that the player should choose when to fight a boss and not have it forced unless the player can meet those different requirements. The polterghast requirement is pretty easy to achieve without much effort which is why I want it removed, or at least changed. 2nd evil boss and levi requires you to kill a tanky enemy, and OD requires you to fully finish an event which are harder to do than others.
Hell, siren even goes invincible until you get close to her anyways
golden tulip
would this count for sshark
eternal escarp
eh, fair enough
golden tulip
not really a boss i suppose
unique vector
lmao dev plans
dusty stirrup
GSS is fine since it doesn't have boss status and you can easily make it despawn/kill it (plus it's during an event)
aylakmop
golden tulip
eternal escarp
is gss in any of the DevPlans™️
eternal escarp
🥺
unique vector
mookdie
neat linden
GSS is fine since it doesn't have boss status and you can easily make it despawn...
I agree god slayer slugs aren't a boss
golden tulip
happy iirc
dude you could just post some random shit about wanting ravager to fart in a glass bottle and the response would still be "dev plans" its pretty common
crude geode
aylakmop
Devs/mods be comprehensible challenge (impossible) (gone no hit) (gone wrong)
frail mantle
No that’s obama
dense ferry
Damn
fossil bronze
damn, obama's really changed over the years
dense ferry
Not based
crude geode
When a famous person has a hair color it automatically mean anyone with that hair color is that person, obviously
Anyone with pink hair is fabsol, cyan is miku, so on and so forth
frail mantle
(he does not know about crag rework)
fossil finch
Who tells them that hell bg is funny and crags bg may be hard to implement properly
neat linden
(a lot of people never heard about it)
hybrid steeple
imagine not being in the art server
cerulean bloom
oh is that already happening
crude geode
crags has a major rework planned
hybrid steeple
yes oml
so many broadswords
dusty stirrup
This is the most based sugg of all time
fossil finch
Based sugg!
fossil bronze
remove broadswords from calamity
dense ferry
cyan hair is apparently automatically miku
It's not only the hair
I was looking at the pfp for a good while, the clothes are also similar
fossil finch
However some of this weapons are cool
dusty stirrup
Coldheart Icicle doesn't sound real
Wait it's the shortsword
why is this put alongside the other swords smh
fossil bronze
the shortswords are much less oversaturated than the broadswords iirc
in terms of amount
hybrid steeple
i can think of exactly one calamity shortswod off the top of my head
sudden monolith
True, shortswords are actually cool and spaced out well
exo gladius and cosmic shiv are awesome
fossil bronze
there's like 19 iirc
neat linden
What's wrong with anarchy blade
fossil bronze
only issue with shortswords is that some of them are boring (but that's a problem they share with broadswords tbf)
fossil finch
They're all boring actually
sudden monolith
~~What's wrong with anarchy blade~~
I could take that one off the list...but I figured devs would make their own list, this is just general suggestion
lucid flare
unfortunately they can't rework them to be better because not calamity styled 
fossil finch
truly
good interesting weapons? Too much split bro not calamity style
Calamity can't improve.,.,.,
unique vector
its just listing overlaps afaik
hybrid steeple
calamity's sprites are too good guys
they dont fit vanilla guys!!!
twilit warren
I love the short swords you can’t convince me otherwise
fossil bronze
they're basically just worse spears
sudden monolith
Post moon lord they're just magic projectile weapons and the blade doesn't really matter
fossil bronze
1.4 made them function identically
and in hardmode they get replaced with spears in ore sets
also yeah, melee has a lot of overlap with magic
the burning sky
neat linden
burning sky does not exist
neat linden
avalanche wrecks dest
fossil bronze
more melee weapons should have projectiles on hit
golden tulip
avalanche wrecks dest
exactly
fossil bronze
instead of on swing
cerulean bloom
tbh (as a melee player) i have never touched half of the melee weapons in calamity or vanilla
golden tulip
yea cus melee is bloated with weapons noone uses
cryogen and i imagine maybe more stages have the issue of donor items tho no?
sudden monolith
Hmm, I think I'll take off my little list at the bottom since the main point of the suggestion is just to point out overlap; devs would know better which ones are good to remove
grim tusk
when the items have not been balanced 
hollow shell
This is a good suggestion
grim tusk
also new AotE is actually extremely good
frozen hornet
Based sugg
cobalt pewter
this is the most suggestion of all time
frozen hornet
I like spending a ton of time grinding for weapons but melee just has too much shit
cobalt pewter
(not happening because broadsword and rework bias)
frozen hornet
To the point that the only abyss blade I crafted was floodtide and that's only because I wanted to see the new sprite 
cobalt pewter
(appreciate to attempt to rework weapons but let's face it, Cal has way too much broadswords)
frozen hornet
Broadswords and everything else
fossil bronze
- literally just a mage weapon what the fuck
ornate kestrel
no
cobalt pewter
broadswords have way more in amount than all of summon weapons
fossil bronze
remember when burning sky got turned into a mage weapon that deals melee damage and uses no mana
ornate kestrel
and boring ass mage weapon
as melee weapons
there is also the occasional of this is an actual melee weapon cool it sucks though
so
yes
fossil bronze
melee weapons should do more on hit stuff
so you actually have to hit things with the sword
and less projectiles on swing
ornate kestrel
yeah like the sword from the ravager
cobalt pewter
[[Tactician's Trump Card]]
worthy orchid
ah yes, a sword that deals magic damage
cobalt pewter
even with reworks the numbers are absurd
fossil bronze
so melee weapons are mage weapons and mage weapons are melee weapons
5head calamity devs
ruby plover
also, the fact that there are so many broken hero sword weapons means you gotta farm for broken hero swords from either mothrons or calclone to get them all
worthy orchid
some mage weapons are ranged weapons
cobalt pewter
that's the donator's idea
ruby plover
cos you dont really know which ones are best
fossil bronze
donator items are either the most complicated thing ever to exist in the mod
or mage sword
ruby plover
or normality relocator 
fossil bronze
normality relocator my beloved
ornate kestrel
it hates me
cobalt pewter
[[Ultimus Cleaver]]
ornate kestrel
well any way that sword is pretty good when you do true melee but sucks otherwise
ornate kestrel
welp rip the bot
fossil bronze
tbh melee suffers from true melee not working well in terraria imo
ornate kestrel
yeah
fossil bronze
solution: remove melee
ornate kestrel
lol
fleet igloo
Wow someone actually suggested that?
I will watch the sugg with great interest
Guaranteed drops moment
fossil bronze
calamity players when they have to do something multiple times
seriously though the only boss i really disliked farming for my class drops was scal, because she's annoying to kill quickly
but most other bosses can be handled fairly well in my experience if you craft some weapons and fight them some more
fleet igloo
What about the bonus bosses that don't open up new things so you can't craft anything to make them easier
fleet igloo
I'm thinking those that don't drop crafting materials/generate ores/buff areas and drops
So uh
lucid flare
none of them lmoa
fleet igloo
Crabulon, Brimmy, Levi (if not playing mage), Dragonfolly, Old Duke
lucid flare
actually probably crabulon if you're playing expert or normal
fleet igloo
Well I'll just see how that goes
Though there are bosses that have no drops for certain classes
frozen hornet
Resprite void vortex and make it drop from exos
lucid flare
opesn the gate for mira🆑e matter: exo weapons
redesign elemetnal shiv/lance and make it a rogue weapon :chad emoji:
frozen hornet
TRUE
fleet igloo
At least exo mechs drop the prisms
fossil bronze
yeah
frozen hornet
Ye
fossil bronze
i just meant direct drops
lucid flare
"Gee, Melee, how do the devs let you have 3 weapons?"
said the rogue, holding their silly little elemtnal disk
fleet igloo
Crabulon, Brimmy, Levi (if not playing mage), Dragonfolly, Old Duke
The five here on the other hand, may or may not drop the thing you can use, and if they don't there's nothing you can do to make refights easier
lucid flare
i just meant direct drops
"direct drops"
exo prism > miracle matter > any exo weapon
fleet igloo
Technically Brimmy's Abaddon can help reduce the damage from her DoT effect on refights?
fleet igloo
I say they're skippable because they don't drop anything or unlock any drops
If I continue going on about this I'll probably get aggressively corrected again
lucid flare
or probably because they're on the same tier as another boss???
fleet igloo
What tier is Crabulon on
ruby plover
crab is pre-Eow+BoC
sleek wadi
Yo @sudden monolith, small thing but I think you mixed up Stellar Striker with its post-plant downgrade Comet Quasher
ruby plover
on a similar note, virulence is not post-moon lord, it drops from PBG
sudden monolith
Thanks, fixed both
ruby plover
i think one of the weirdest cases of the sword bloat is terra blade and terra edge
bit strange to have both
sleek wadi
Convert Terra Edge to true melee only and I could see a reason for it existing
Despite the bajillion broken hero swords true melee gets nothing out of em surprisingly
ruby plover
anarchy blade is a thing, tho i dont know how good it is
sleek wadi
Its a thing, used it for Golem IIRC.
fossil finch
Remove terra edge
sleek wadi
Removal would also work, feels like another crimsaber tbh, but I'm more in favor of just making it true melee to properly distinguish it from terra blade
grim tusk
*"Gee, Melee, how do the devs let you have 3 weapons?"*
said the rogue, holding ...
Meanwhile Mage with Fabstaff, DoL, Party cannon, Blushie staff
novel belfry
terra edge's already geared towards that side with the heal on hit ability
so why not go all in on it? and no the fact that true bloody edge fires a proj doesn't count
fossil bronze
imo melee weapons should fire projectiles when they hit an enemy
i know it'd be a big change, so i wouldn't actually suggest it
but i feel like it'd make melee less of an offshoot of mage
sleek wadi
Just make parrying a universal melee mechanic 4head
fossil bronze
tbh just anything in general that makes the player want to do things closer to true melee
and makes that actually fun
novel belfry
~~Just make parrying a universal melee mechanic 4head~~
this sadly might not be done, at least in calamity mod
unless
fossil bronze
i think the devs have said they don't want to do universal parrying before
not exactly sure though
worthy orchid
i think ill have to agree with a true melee terra edge here
like why not make it similar to greentide/earth where it spawns projectiles on hit
novel belfry
on the other hand i'd like yanmei's knife to have a parry because it'd be very fun to use
sleek wadi
I don't care what a true melee Terra Edge would look like, just that it was made a thing and had some drip
gray nebula
this sadly might not be done, at least in calamity mod
no
yes
It wont be done in calamity sorry oofmies
If you give every melee weapon a parry it ruins the uniqueness, and also it gets annoying because then you have to balance it for litterally every melee weapon, etc ,etc
just rework more melee weapons to have more unique mechanics
that better include movement since, you gotta have ze movement to be able to deal damage
(in true mele
sleek wadi
True melee with more movement gimmicks sounds sick. Don't got any projectiles? BECOME THE PROJECTILE
hot zephyr
every time a suggestion to remove broadswords happen, we add two more
sleek wadi
Considering how fucking sick the recent broadswords have been, yeah sure I'll take that
hot zephyr
there's only a handful of weapons I'd think of removing tbh
most of the broadswords listed have a lot of creative potential for reworks
or have already gotten reworked lmao (ark and galaxia specifically)
sleek wadi
Calling out Terra Edge in particular here because Terra Blade is literally right next to it but I'm down with a rework or removal either way
hot zephyr
i don't understand why broadswords are grrr bad when like every repeater in near every mod and vanilla are just clones of each other
same with most bows and guns
sleek wadi
Just because repeaters cringe doesn't mean broadsword suddenly not cringe
novel belfry
True melee with more movement gimmicks sounds sick. Don't got any projectiles? ...
i wanna fucking become the dragoons from ffxiv
which sounds utterly stupid if you know, you know, but still
lucid flare
sadly ranger suffers from Boring, but Practical
hot zephyr
yeah but nobody is suggesting removing repeaters
lucid flare
kinda hard to add new stuff to it when the entire class concept is just Gun
sleek wadi
Rangers could also use some help in the drip department but that doesn't matter here.
hot zephyr
the only set of weapons I believe suffer from truly boring are the cryogen drops/permafrost pool
lucid flare
but im p sure that the devs can make it interesting somehow idk what kinda crack they use
hot zephyr
because they've remained unchanged since 2016
lucid flare
kinda suspected it already
sleek wadi
Considering way back when when Crimsaber got axed for just being bladetongue but again I'm surprised Terra Edge lasted as long as it has in its Terra Blade but again state.
hot zephyr
Hmmm
novel belfry
it is actually different "enough" from terra blade, being more towards true melee (even though it isn't 
)
hot zephyr
Let the tinfoil hat party commence
sleek wadi
That didn't save Crimsaber, which had different projectile behavior and acquisition from Bladetongue (Crafted instead of fished up, projectiles came from the sky instead of the blade). Probably stayed the way it is just because the devs had better things to work on than melee's 4th terra weapon
hot zephyr
it's harder to remove an entire line
crimsaber was just Bladetongue 2
even if we were to rework it
what would we be able to do lol
sleek wadi
Terra Blade was always usable for Terratomere wasn't it?
hot zephyr
ja but there's broadswords that predate terra edge
sleek wadi
Nothing in Terra Edge's crafting trees is separate from Terra Blade unless theres some obscure 1.1 copy out there that asked for bloody edge in particular instead of either the variants
hot zephyr
i think it's far more likely for terra edge to get reworked than renoved
multiple sword lines, mild popularity
more room for changes
sleek wadi
Which I'd be down for, turning it into a true melee would be sufficient differentiation from Terra Blade in my eyes
supple glacier
Why isn't rogue and melee the same thing?
I understand not giving stealth armors the high def, but why not make rogue weapons melee?
cobalt pewter
yeah but nobody is suggesting removing repeaters
how much are the repeaters again
uhh
I don't like how bows get more unreasonably rapid as the game progresses
having repeater crossbows to do that job would be way better to me
but it's repeater in general so idk
sleek wadi
Why would rogue and melee be the same thing in the first place? Rogue's gameplay, in the stealth variant at least, revolves around slow big bursts of damage while melee is the designated tank and close combat class.
crude geode
Why isn't rogue and melee the same thing?
I understand not giving stealth armors...
Early days of the mod caused it, reworks focused more on stealth strikes. Melee and rogue used to share certain weapons (boomerangs, mainly, but it also happened with others), but it was removed since the two needed to be more differentiated.
novel belfry
Why isn't rogue and melee the same thing?
I understand not giving stealth armors...
rogue is derived from the throwing class, which in 1.3 was not a removed class (albeit it was an extremely incomplete class)
crude geode
Early rogue was*
sleek wadi
Of course you could play these 2 in ways that would make them pretty samey with the each other and ranger and mage, but they're really distinct from each other.
crude geode
Nowadays rogue is far and away from throwing, as it’s done by other mods (thorium), and instead focuses on the stealth mechanic
supple glacier
I understand making stealth and tank different armors. But why not allow tanks to use rouge weapons and stealths use melee. The ROLE are definded by the armor not their weapons
crude geode
We used to have melee variants of rogue weapons. It made people question the existence of rogue more, especially since melee already has the most shit in the mod by far
sleek wadi
Stealth can't use melee because stealth is a rogue mechanic not melee. Tanks CAN use rogue weapons, its called using warding and defensive accessories.
cobalt pewter
I understand making stealth and tank different armors. But why not allow tanks t...
the role are defined by the armor not their weapons
melee damage
rogue damage
worthy orchid
its like asking to make a bow and arrow to deal magic damage
small timber
I understand making stealth and tank different armors. But why not allow tanks t...
rogue and melee weapon are functionally not the same dps wise, as in rogue (ideally) rely on stealth strike for damage while for melee said mechanic don't even exist
cobalt pewter
its like asking to make a bow and arrow to deal magic damage
uhhhhhhh
[[Cosmic Rainbow]]
red stormBOT
worthy orchid
wait thats a thing?
small timber
so the only way to make it work is just add an exact sprite and same weapon effect to an exact copy of rogue/melee weapon (therefore you have 2 of the same weapon, just 1 for melee 1 for rogue)
cobalt pewter
it's a bow that shoots rainbows and deals magic damage, yes
supple glacier
Magic/ranged/melee are defined by their costs (mana/ammo/none)
You could argue that rouge weapons cost stealth. But that feels loose
sleek wadi
See also Prismatic Breaker, the melee broadsword that deals ranged damage made out of a magic weapon. Donor moment
crude geode
Hate prismatic breaker
cobalt pewter
Tactician's Trump Card is probably the peak dono weapon by far
crude geode
Tactician's Trump Card is probably the peak dono weapon by far
Incorrect
worthy orchid
sword that deals magic damage
cobalt pewter
sword that deals magic damage
basic weapon
late game
recipe steals weapons that are part of endgame / dev tier weapon trees
reference for the sake of reference
small timber
so the only way to make it work is just add an exact sprite and same weapon effe...
^, for your idea to work you have to literally just copy and paste weapon but change the weapon tag from melee damage to rogue damage (or the other way around)
so you have two of the exact same weapon, just different damage type
supple glacier
Anyway, i think i found my answer... It's costs, rouge weapons "cost" stealth
crude geode
sword that deals magic damage
Shadowflame Hexdoll esque weapons in a shellnut
sleek wadi
Rogue costs stealth and melee THEORETICALLY costs weapon range
small timber
it will be more accurate to base weapon type on the damage type it deal, there are ranged weapon that don't cost ammo and magic weapon that don't cost mana (and melee having no cost is really not a good definitive trait, as there are other weapon with no cost)
sleek wadi
True melee is an actual thing now in Calamity but barely and is not the dominant melee style, although that does seem to be changing
crude geode
Summoner costs your sanity dealing with AI, both on a programmer and player level
(minion slots is the actual answer for summoner)
small timber
(meanwhile there is thing like borealis bomber but whatever)
grim tusk
mfw melee stealth strikes
When the Final dawn is a pain in the ass (to balance)
Theres also slick cane
crude geode
is slick cane broken now too?
grim tusk
Slick cane is broken for getting cash (on enemies like mimics)
For killing bosses, just dont
Although grinding BoC still feels more efficient
crude geode
@marble hazel kill spammer
marble hazel
on god
hot zephyr
When the Final dawn is a pain in the ass (to balance)
final dawn is a nightmare pain vortex of endless torture
we started tester recruitment solely so that we could have fresh blood to sacrifice to the Final Dawn
dense ferry
Absolute horror
half sage
frozen hornet
@sleek wadi
sleek wadi
?
glossy stone
cobalt pewter
I think the big takeaway is indeed the dash
pulsar marlin
I kinda agree that Terra Edge should be true melee
So it won't be te same as the Terra Blade
wooden storm
Has anyone suggested to make the heart of elementals work as a vanity item? Id love to have the elementals flying around even if they don’t actually do anything.
eternal escarp
CalVal has that feature, if you want
cobalt pewter
looking at the last sugg on voting
I feel like the Eclipse Mirror tree is just
kinda weird?
the lines stop at post cultist then suddenly bam
Eclipse Mirror post dog
plus it doesn't help that Dark God Memes is just absolutely broken that the thing I described above just
works
small timber
doesn't it be that way for like most classes?
at the very least for mage and ranger
actually summoner too, only melee have progression post-ML in the form of yharim insignia
eternal escarp
@marble hazel
marble hazel
bro no unsolicited invites here @brave shale
brave shale
älä ragee
marble hazel
since you've already been warned, i'll have to elevate your punishment to a time out
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cobalt pewter
the
fossil finch
Highly improve chances!
cobalt heath
rewoking ideas, illegal
or atleast not getting trough dev vote
@unique vector newest posted sugg illegal
unique vector
@digital saddle sorry, can't suggest to bring back old content!
golden tulip
fossil finch
Me when dog comes in the portal as funny space eel and comes out with the DRIP
(Actual surprise and impact
You don't even know there's a second phase at all until you reach his dedicated threshold
cobalt heath
isnt the the biome blade sugg again illegal
primal python
It is?!
primal python
had do I do it better
cobalt heath
and your basicly cutting a line w the specific item sugg
primal python
its not realy a new iteam
its just I wanted a cooler affect when you get a element
cobalt heath
someone more knowing can say about this
primal python
also in the donts ho would want to make king slime bigger
he is already big enough
fossil bronze
i think it's just an example, i have no idea if anybody's actually suggested it
primal python
yeah but still
cobalt heath
prolly has been
fossil finch
@iban
primal python
also what does compression mean
cobalt heath
time to summon iban
lucid flare
wharg
cobalt heath
he takes biome blade personally
fossil finch
It's almost like he made it
cobalt heath
ye
primal python
what does it mean when the bot says compression
cobalt heath
@gray nebula the new biome blade sugg, its a bad format atm but do you take it as offence
fossil finch
why would he take if as offence what the fuck
primal python
how do I format my suggestions
lucid flare
see the other suggestions in the channel that don't have an emoji reaction under it
cobalt heath
why would he take if as offence what the fuck
offence as not in personal offence, but like the illegal way
gray nebula
idc : = idc = idc im not gonna do it (idc)
fossil finch
@dapper thicket idk what you mean by any of that "drops" stuff, only astral slimes drop astral ore and removing that wouldn't make any drops more/less confusing ?????????
gray nebula
itd be annoying to make itl ook right
cobalt heath
here we have it
fossil finch
Rest of the sugg is fine
dapper thicket
<@165671301942345728> idk what you mean by any of that "drops" stuff, only astra...
Oh when I played last it seem like other enemie where droping it
cobalt heath
cause the biome rework astral ore distribution is gonna change anyways
primal python
see the other suggestions in the channel that don't have an emoji reaction under...
is it better
lucid flare
ya probably
cobalt heath
is it better
better but iban said he won't do it
lucid flare
No
primal python
good
like I made a suggestion about adding the red cap woitch would put you at 1 hp but you take no damege till the end of a battle
it was a meme iteam
based on pokemon and it was bad
dapper thicket
yeah I don't know for sure but It seems like that would be easy to impliment
eternal escarp
yeah I don't know for sure but It seems like that would be easy to impliment
it would be theoretically the same as converting dirt into Astral Dirt
golden tulip
ok but :devplans:
lucid flare
(what if jungle solution (turns normal biome(s) into jungle))
molten narwhal
no
what if
there was a jungle water like holy water
like it could be called mossy water
novel belfry
all you need next is to create the rogue weapon whose crafting recipe is based on mossy water
fossil bronze
better idea: make worm bosses not suck
worm bosses being too easy is a problem with like
every worm, and every weapon
ruby plover
i feel like something like giving certain weapons a pierce limit on worms would be good...... as well as a damage reduction
rancid jasper
i feel like something like giving certain weapons a pierce limit on worms would ...
i think HVC does have one, but needs to be drastically lowered. Dmg reduction may also be a good choice
neat linden
definitely
ruby plover
i got this clip yesterday with completely on-tier gear, with orichalchum spiked gemstone
fossil bronze
there was a mod which made i-frames shared between all worm segments
so worms are basically just given a massive hitbox
instead of being treated like a bunch of smaller ones
neat linden
i got this clip yesterday with completely on-tier gear, with orichalchum spiked ...
Yeah that weapon is a bit
rancid jasper
i got this clip yesterday with completely on-tier gear, with orichalchum spiked ...
okay yeah maybe worm bosses need to suck less
ruby plover
does HVC have a "every pierce it reduces it's damage" thing?
dreamy citrus
there was a mod which made i-frames shared between all worm segments
nice, but I do think that it should be a toggleable thing in the Calamity Config
ruby plover
cos i feel like that would be good
rancid jasper
does HVC have a "every pierce it reduces it's damage" thing?
i don't think so
ruby plover
that's a bit wacky ngl
rancid jasper
also why doesn't Aqua Scoog have those first spawn damage reduction?
neat linden
AS does not
dreamy citrus
does HVC have a "every pierce it reduces it's damage" thing?
go get it and fight either destoryer or aqua scoog
rancid jasper
AS does not
w h y t h o
neat linden
i got this clip yesterday with completely on-tier gear, with orichalchum spiked ...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/934136997524684861/trulygone.mp4
this is a bit outdated now since i made it back in 1.5.0.3 iirc
dreamy citrus
You're gonna have fun
neat linden
i got 4s killtime with a semi decent setup
ruby plover
is that with his 99.9% dr when he spawns???
dreamy citrus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225030931008847874/934136997524684861/tru...
Nice, but also, what is that health/mana hud?
neat linden
unleveled mod
dreamy citrus
nice
neat linden
is that with his 99.9% dr when he spawns???
i think so
dreamy citrus
is it just the HUD or are there addons
neat linden
unless being post ML removes that spawn dr?
ruby plover
it shouldn't
neat linden
then it's with spawn DR
ruby plover
oh and if that's pre-1.5, then none of the hits would do 0 damage
neat linden
it's 1.5.0.3
fossil finch
I don't think eow and ds matter
crude barn
we already have slimy saddle and sabatons (which no one use) for downward dashes
an upward dash can be done with a hook or just holding space with wings
additionally those aren't necessary for dodging bullet hells
small timber
I think the concern is actually more how clunky with a upward and downward dash would be
because it is double tap w or s which is awful
crude barn
that too
small timber
and depend on the cooldown it can have the potential to be completely overpowered, because upward dash practically invalidate all jump speed, and a downward dash is a slimy saddle that don't reduce your flight time to 0
crude barn
besides, GSD exists
which is the only dash you'll even want to use in a bullet hell anyways
small timber
(because from the suggestion although it do mention bullet hell sections, it can also be implied that it is available early like normal dash item, which I think will completely break balance)
crude geode
what an extremely subjectively suggestion
small timber
ya abit too subjective, even if it is a config the suggestion will be more acceptable (although config)
because just for a subjective opinion, for me going top to bottom will make it much harder to see because it is positioned even more to the side of the screen
gray nebula
ya abit too subjective, even if it is a config the suggestion will be more accep...
???
Configs are nice but also yeah and they might go off screen more easily
fossil finch
Imagine if the eye flashed a logo representative of the upcoming boss
small timber
petition for boss rush to teleport player to the nearest altar of accursed when encounetering scal because it make a lot of sense
dapper thicket
~~petition for boss rush to teleport player to the nearest altar of accursed whe...
what if there are none in the world?
small timber
then probably just stay in place, ya that statement was not actually to dispute your suggestion, I just think something like that also make a lot of sense
dapper thicket
ok
I didn't think you were disputing, I was just interested in your thought process
small timber
the thought process is really simple actually, since boss rush is post exo and scal you should have an altar already placed, so it just teleport you to your scal arena
the only thing that this cannot be done is for WoF unless they added a unique summon method where you sacrifice the doll on a lava altar
they basically have to just like remember your current position, teleport to altar of the accursed during scal and then teleport you back (to original position) after scal, that way you are not at a weird position unable to fight (spawn point etc)
long bone
the only thing that this cannot be done is for WoF ~~unless they added a unique ...
What if Calamity used Subworld Library
small timber
What if Calamity used Subworld Library
soon™ calamity subworld in 2024 (colorized)
frozen hornet
what if Cryo Stone gave you the old frost dash
ornate shield has the old frost dash
frozen hornet
It's saying to remove some swords from the really saturated parts of the game
It's not saying to remove all the ones listed
I think at least
frozen hornet
idk lol
@sudden monolith about your sugg, what is the list for?
Is it a list of swords that should be removed
Or just a list of swords that are available
small timber
I think he just list ALL the swords, instead of the one that is redundant
basically the purpose is to list it out, not necessary to list out the weapon that need change
sudden monolith
I had a list before of swords that I thought should be removed but some people disagreed, so I figured I'd list the bad spots and let them decide themselves
swift wharf
Wouldn't it be better to list the not so useful ones
ruby plover
i dunno whether he missed ones on purpose or smthn tho
sudden monolith
I didn't list every sword
ruby plover
like the hellkite (post-plant) isn't mentioned
sudden monolith
Just the ones where a lot are available all at once
swift wharf
I see
sudden monolith
and yeah I missed a bunch
ruby plover
would be kinda hard to list every sword because there's so friggin many
sudden monolith
It was really bad after devourer of gods. Like 6 swords and the only boss they are used on is yharon
swift wharf
I feel like that's more of a post ml issue than a weapon issue
sudden monolith
true. Although I'm doing a mage run now and I feel like there were more broadswords for melee than all new mage weapons put together
probably an exaggeration
swift wharf
Vanilla design seeps into the game
Byeah it was just a bit of misunderstanding on my side, no worries
sudden monolith
Nah the suggestion belongs to the community now, you can mess with it
I just counted and there are 150 magic weapons added by calamity and 135 swords (not all melee weapons, just swords)
If you count each biome blade attunement as a different sword it's actually 160 swords
stray quiver
keen zealot
better than it used to be, at least
cobalt heath
i would change guitar guys idea to be that allowing the player to place em where they want
but idk if thats possible on the coding side
cobalt pewter
summoner
bottom text
cobalt heath
very goog idea, hope it gets approved
golden tulip
desp phase 
cobalt heath
me when before an annoying fight becomes even more annoying but cool
swift sinew
With the suggestion of summoner modifiers there is a mod called summoner modifiers
golden tulip
ok but what if calamity made custom summoner modifiers too
small timber
tbh I think they should just change phantom spirit to spawn something like hive cyst that if killed spawn polterghast
otherwise things like linearly increasing amount of phantom spirit needed to kill do not really make sense (gameplay wise), if anything it should just have increased amount at all time (like 50)
wary canyon
I mean I think having a post ML dungeon loot is a good part of calamity progression and the phantom spirits are a part of that
I was mainly thinking that it would just make farming plasm easier if you haven’t already killed polter
small timber
ya, just that polter get super annoying as soon as you pop zerg
my solution is very subjective, but I think simply increase the amount needing to spawn polter by default make more sense (than linearly increasing)
wary canyon
Hm maybe
small timber
since if the player DO want to fight polter with phantom spirit killing, linearly increasing kill count required will make it a lot more annoying
small timber
tbh I think they should just change phantom spirit to spawn something like hive ...
or this, but it will be closer to rework the entire spawn mechanic (which I am unsure if it is allowed)
wary canyon
since if the player DO want to fight polter with phantom spirit killing, linearl...
Well the idea is by the time you’ve killed that amount of spirits you should have more than enough phantoplasm to make the beacon
small timber
though devs do expressed that polter's phantom spirit kill to spawn is kinda an old relic
small timber
Polter's "custom" spawn isn't really anything interesting and it's broad af, I w...
this for reference
wary canyon
I mean yeah I can see the 50 spirit number working but I just feel like at that point you’ll get enough plasm to make the beacon before you even get him to spawn
wary canyon
this for reference
Hm I see
small timber
ya it is kinda an awkward situation, I don't think your suggestion have anything wrong, my solution is super subjective too
wary canyon
I still like the natural spawn especially since calamity has been lacking on boss immersion for a long time
I suppose that’s not just a calamity thing but a modded terraria thing overall
wary canyon
Is there plans to make an post ML dungeon room specially for Polter?
I’ve heard people suggest it but idk if anything like that is planned
small timber
I heard (if correct) brimstone crag is prioritized for now
wary canyon
It would be cool to have some sort of tile in an ectoplasm-filled room that spawns polter if you put in phantoplasm
wary canyon
I heard (if correct) brimstone crag is prioritized for now
Ah I see
Well I’ll just leave my sugg up, if nothing else it might bring up the topic of polter’s spawning to the devs
They can decide what to do with it from there
small timber
ya the suggestion itself is fine
hot zephyr
i'd rather we just make a cooler spawn mechanic for polter 😳
right now it's just annoying and under your suggestion people trying to intentionally spawn it naturally would get punished for deaths
golden tulip
i'd rather we just make a cooler spawn mechanic for polter 😳
i'd rather we just make a cooler spawn mechanic for all bosses as opposed to boring click and spawn item 😳
untold pagoda
😳
golden tulip
also werent most boss minions removed in 1.5.1?
cant find it in #changelogs anymore
untold pagoda
paraseas used to spawn in the levi fight
not anymore
aquatic aberrations still spawn tho
its annoying as shit
untold pagoda
lmao
golden tulip
cool
untold pagoda
!wiki parasea
red stormBOT
untold pagoda
that
sinful violet
golden tulip
the guards are cosmic
small timber
is exo mechs during twins switch phase deleting main projectile but not deleting splitted projectile intentional?
since otherwise I will suggest it, it don't make sense to me (assuming the intention of the change is to make phase switch more fair)
neat linden
these splitted projectiles are called exoplasma bolts btw
not sure if that's needed to be included or not
(exoplasma bolts are annoying so i personally agree with the sugg)
small timber
ya I think since they have a name it probably is best to include them
west jackal
i'd rather we just make a cooler spawn mechanic for polter 😳
An actual dungeon room for bosses😳
tardy geyser
what about an item (like voodoo demon voodoo doll or siren proof earmuffs) that prevents polter from spawning? or it could only spawn naturally once just to show new players that it exists
swift sinew
Does calamity plan to add more weapons summoners can use to deal damage?
unique vector
exclaimed it
you have astral arcanum
you can also move a bed + room and use that, or actual teleporters
crude geode
Does calamity plan to add more weapons summoners can use to deal damage?
they have, it's called summoning minions
I assume you just want more magic weapons with summon damage tag tho which idk the opinion of devs on
gray nebula
WOW i am mad
I assume they want more INTERESTING SUMMON WEAPONS
Such as igneous exaltation and that one CV staff
crude geode
I assume they wanted more borealis bomber but they weren't very specific
swift sinew
Such as igneous exaltation and that one CV staff
Yes definitely,
gray nebula
boréalis bomber is.. mid as hell
but yes we have plans for more interesting summon s ty for asking
unique vector
call again during our business hours
swift sinew
but yes we have plans for more interesting summon s ty for asking
Sorry I didn’t mean to offend,
gray nebula
U didnt offend at all
Its awesome sauce to see that other ppl also want more cool summon weapons
@analog ferry oomfie you cant use murasama before you defeat yharon
hybrid steeple
💀
gray nebula
Before you say anything "its an easter egg for a reason"
swift sinew
Its awesome sauce to see that other ppl also want more cool summon weapons
Really? Sorry I thought originally you were being sarcastic; yeah summoner would be a more approachable class if you actually could use weapons strategically.
Maybe like give all summoner weapons a right click that can deal direct damage or even, make certain accessories turn normal weapons into attacks summoners can use.
I use to be a mage only, but when I came across summoner I was hooked, however in calamity you just feel like your doing nothing and it’s just minions fighting, I understand people think that that’s just the role of summoners, but personally I feel calamity is in the position to change that ideology.
I asked about this and I got a response from a user just saying - summoner just let minions do the work, maybe that’s the way normal terraria wants them to be, but calamity could change this.
There are some summoner weapons that have a damage feature, like the post moonlord ceaxless void and the one you make with the blades.
However compared to other classes it needs lie dynamic of gameplay, i whips a whip mod currently, I have heard the option of dev on whips there are very controversial
Maybe summoners can equip an accessory like the profaned crystal that changes demanding on the weapon you use from each class, of course it would have to be weaker and different to make it more unique, but all and all summoners in calamity need a rework, or even just a more dynamic fluid plays style
analog ferry
Oh wait, my bad lmao
gray nebula
woahh woeh wall of text jumpscare
swift sinew
woahh woeh wall of text jumpscare
Sorry
analog ferry
I'm like 3 years behind on anything Calamity
gray nebula
Second line is a big no from me
Giving a generalized function to everything ruins the uniqueness of the thing
And the accessory would feel very tacked on
We already have some unique ideas for some summoner weapons tho dw
Custom tailored for each weapon
swift sinew
We already have some unique ideas for some summoner weapons tho dw
Ooo okay
swift sinew
Custom tailored for each weapon
Wait really, that’s amazing trust calamity devs to impress I am glad this is being thought about
Yeah the crystal thing is just with my whole god complex, but yeah that sounds amazing.
I was actually going to suggest something long the lines of that
fossil bronze
about the whips you mentioned
iirc they aren't liked because they're mostly just melee weapons
but with summoner damage tacked on
gray nebula
i mean when i said "each" weapon i meant, each weapon we went over for potential reworks
not like, every single existing summoner weapon
some will probably remain on the more classic side, not every weapon has to be turbo quirky
especially since with 1.4 whips will already fill the blank of "not-very-unique-but-reliable-nontheless-damage-option-for-summoners"
swift sinew
especially since with 1.4 whips will already fill the blank of "not-very-unique-...
Yeah, i was more thinking for post moonlord that’s all
crude geode
I can't wait for testers to have to deal with summons having crits
probably going to be interesting balance wise
gray nebula
Testers r already 🤪 at summoner balancing lol
crude geode
very true
gray nebula
I mean it will need a lookover but every weapon already has crit so its not that bad
inner anvil
lucid flare
rare summoner w i say
novel belfry
Such as igneous exaltation and that one CV staff
yes i do want more of that
fleet igloo
For Polterghast I’d rather they just change the natural spawn method entirely
Not sure what it could be though
Just that it won’t spawn when you don’t want it to, but it keeps the feeling of being ambushed by it
rigid lagoon
@unborn siren [ Sorry for the ping ] I think it would work better if they would just delete all the fire and clear you of all debuffs when you get Supreme Calamitas to 1% health
unborn siren
<@!701648894714445936> [ Sorry for the ping ] I think it would work better if th...
both work and I thought of that when making the suggestion, but it could be annoying to code, and clearing all debuffs could have side effects like removing alcohol buffs from the 2 players that don't use Luiafk or Fargos mutant for infinite buff duration with a 30 stack
rigid lagoon
True so maybe something like clear all debuffs in Scal debuffs set or something along those lines
fossil bronze
maybe make it so that bosses won't despawn if you die during their death animations/scal's monologue?
and they just drop their items anyway
unborn siren
if the first suggestion doesn't make it then I might use those ideas as backups
or I could edit the current one to include all 3
rigid lagoon
Or what if give the player immunity frames while scal is at 1% health lasting until it cant find Scal anymore?
unborn siren
debuffs don't care about iframes, and someone would probably use that to cheese another boss or something like that
rigid lagoon
Realy? I didn't know that.
unborn siren
the projectiles aren't the problem because they despawn, it's that you can get hit right before 1% and die to debuffs after 1%
fleet igloo
I think reworks for those are in progress? There's concept art for a rework for elemental tier
In which Augur of the Elements becomes a scroll
rigid lagoon
No that's not exactly what I meant
fleet igloo
They might get reworked to be like AoTC is what I'm saying
I'm hoping that's the case
small timber
Or just make her heal the player as soon as she drop to 1%, it solve the stray projectile problem too
fleet igloo
Also excited to see what Subsuming Vortex becomes if there's a rework of the entire line
lucid flare
the projectiles aren't the problem because they despawn, it's that you can get h...
then just make the end of the fight clear the debuffs then
cobalt pewter
no, melee totally should get everything in the damn game, they aren't prioritized or whatever :clueless
gray nebula
rigid lagoon
yes lets never make a weapon for any other class ever
gray nebula
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
fossil finch
Dear calamity developers- piss
fossil bronze
mfw too many swords
surreal geode
mfw not enough swords ⚠️
rigid lagoon
mfw too many swords
and 4 pairs of scissors
unborn siren
yes lets never make a weapon for any other class ever
just remove all items that aren’t swords
lucid flare
dear calamity developers
(makes 9274 donations so they have to make more weapons)
gray nebula
2 🤓
fossil bronze
ngl donor items just seem like a pain in the ass for the devs
fossil finch
(Its 3
rigid lagoon
Stylish scissors
YES
lucid flare
just remove all items that aren’t swords
*removes ark of the elements & cosmos* 
fossil finch
get trolle
cobalt pewter
dear calamity developers
(makes 9274 donations so they have to make more weapon...
okay real talk, there no way the
the donator items will be open anymore, at least for the equipment
the quality in recent donator (donator, not dedicated in general) weapons has been incredible to not warrant return
quality as in the things that the donators get to decide
fossil bronze
just remove every melee item except scissors
fixed the game, thank me later
(/s)
lucid flare
how do u craft the ark of the scissor then
hollow shell
It was inevitable we received this suggestion
cobalt pewter
It was inevitable we received this suggestion
lucid flare
ark of th ancient = sword (????)
cobalt pewter
Technically not recent feed!1!
the recent ones are the freshest like a sore thumb, so I'm using them as example
but yes
hollow shell
Tick Tock Clock?
hardy dock
is this a bug or something to actually suggest the removal of
fossil finch
tactician's mage broadsword
lucid flare
is this a bug or something to actually suggest the removal of
no it isn't
cobalt pewter
tactician's mage broadsword
ah hm
lucid flare
aquatic scourge just kinda followes you around
gray nebula
long ago ™️ if i had to guess
cobalt pewter
long ago tm moment
hollow shell
Oh pretty much every dono item that's gotten in for 1.5 and 1.5.1
were from like
2018 or 2019
hardy dock
tactician's mage broadsword
Fire Emblem reference 💀
fossil finch
2018 deadass
hollow shell
With exceptions
cobalt pewter
dkfkfkkf wow
gray nebula
Patron items are usually on the lower half of the quality spectrul everyone knows that anywayss
unborn siren
ark of th ancient = sword (????)
nah, it has a custom swing animation so it doesn’t qualify as a broad or short sword
fossil finch
anyways yeah
cobalt pewter
Patron items are usually on the lower half of the quality spectrul everyone know...
lower third*
lucid flare
nah, it has a custom swing animation so it doesn’t qualify as a broad or short s...
starfury = sword
still can't craft scissor L + L + L + L
fossil finch
It explains rem's ichor clone and mage
fossil bronze
starfury = sword
still can't craft scissor L + L + L + L
simple: remove sword from recipe
fossil finch
pineapple and thaumic chair are fucking hilarious though
lucid flare
what suggestion
fossil finch
Ssv line rework real in never
lucid flare
the other Class zenithe
cobalt pewter
pineapple and thaumic chair are fucking hilarious though
vanity donator items are so ridiculous to the point I have no issues with them
since they're just vanity (or chair lo)
fossil finch
Now let's all go home as this inevitably gets approved and left to rot or something
cobalt pewter
what this
fossil finch
(Suggestion
fossil bronze
tbh that "add other class equivalents for scissors" is just
fossil finch
Current!
cobalt pewter
ah
gray nebula
what suggestion
fossil bronze
"add more good weapons guys"
gray nebula
We are NOT adding more weapon lines and especially not Fractured Old Tome Ancient Old Tome Tome of the Elements Tome of the Cosmos
fossil finch
it would because at the end of the day it's asking for weapons that are cool so it'd be approved spiritually by the fact cool weapons will exist
hardy dock
We are NOT adding more weapon lines and especially not Fractured Old Tome Ancien...
Flare Bolt line 
gray nebula
(i mean idek what the sugg is asking for really, do they just want biome-bow biome-staff biome-slime-staff biome-knife or
cobalt pewter
there's definitely a merit in rebranding the gimmicks of elemental and exo line to have a lot more striking design base while still having uniqueness with each of the weapons within those
lucid flare
summoner flower line 😀
fossil finch
we don't talk about tears of heaven
gray nebula
If its just "please make more weapon lines from other classes less mid as fuck" then it should be worded as such
cobalt pewter
right now the only correlation the weapons have to the elemental and exo are the bajilion of debuffs
but otherwise they're independent weapons by function
fossil finch
You forgot the rainbow projs
hardy dock
Honestly though uh why do half the Cosmilite weapons inflict fucking Frostburn
lucid flare
(i mean idek what the sugg is asking for really, do they just want biome-bow bio...
i believe that they probably want a weapon that gets continuously upgraded for the entire game like how the crystalline becomes the seraphim
but they again i may be incorrect (and wrong even)
cobalt pewter
Honestly though uh why do half the Cosmilite weapons inflict fucking Frostburn
space is cool
(literally)
I assume that's the only reasoning
fossil finch
Because yes
Now cope seethe and go kill ds in 2 ticks with new debuff system
(He's vulnerable to funny crush from funny amulet
cobalt pewter
crush depth becomes even more based in 1.5.1?
gray nebula
i Hate debuffs being inflicted by litterally everything...
cobalt pewter
i Hate debuffs being inflicted by litterally everything...
this is objectively true iirc
hardy dock
If you're killing DS with a Cosmilite weapon I don't think Frostburn would have a big effect on it
gray nebula
imagine how much more impactful itd be if only specific weapons had debuffs so they feel more more
fossil finch
yea feed
Water debuff, some stuff is vulnerable to it
fossil finch
imagine how much more impactful itd be if only specific weapons had debuffs so t...
So true
lucid flare
next step is for a weapon to have no damage whatsoever and it will only have the debuff (and the projectile)
cobalt pewter
yea feed
Water debuff, some stuff is vulnerable to it
time to make post skelly abyss stuff inflict Crush Depth :clueless
fossil finch
vulnerable to it means like x3 damage or some stupid shit like that
fossil finch
Idk i don't care it's funny
Slimed is oiled but better now
Why did i even mention any of these
Anyways uh
Abyssal Scourge dies
Ok
gray nebula
new debuff system sure is my lawyers have advised me to
cobalt pewter
iirc vulnerability is x2 and resistance is x0.5
either way the system is still pretty poorly communicated rn, but at least it's not directly messing with progression with the lack of documentation
(hm rework)
fossil finch
Tryhards too busy crying they removed arma or something
lucid flare
solid /10 from me (i do not feel the impact of the debuff system at all)
cobalt pewter
solid ok/10 to me I think
gray nebula
I mean ngl partly kinda glad its not felt that impactfully or else idk
Pokemon weaknesses and strenghts may not be what terraria needs..
lucid flare
weapon meta haha (pain)
fossil finch
Minmaxers using abyssal amulet the entire playthrough
gray nebula
Hey it makes the stupid nature/ice/fire weapons stuff dead at least
lucid flare
what was the purpose of those anyway
fossil finch
Nothing
sleek turret
fossil finch
Like alcohols buffed x
fossil bronze
my biggest issue with the vulnerability system is that you really need to read the wiki to get anything out of it iirc
fossil finch
X got tags to say they were buffed by alcohols
It was irrelevant
Alcohols now buff x(debuff) and tags are gone
cobalt pewter
my biggest issue with the vulnerability system is that you really need to read t...
lack of documentation, but then again it's not HM rework, the system can be easily dismissed
cobalt pewter
HM rework directly messes with progression without any sort of documentation
and it's funky
fossil finch
i mean most of the debuff stuff is just
Logic
lucid flare
my biggest issue with the vulnerability system is that you really need to read t...
unfortunately terraria is just one of those games that if u don't have a manual beside you on your first playthrough you're gonna get lost real fast
gray nebula
i mean most of the debuff stuff is just
Logic
cough cough
lucid flare
at least it was like that for me because i didn't know shit about nothing
cobalt pewter
i mean most of the debuff stuff is just
Logic
bold to assume terraria players even uses brain to figure out logic
gray nebula
byeah pokemon typing works cuz the typing is clearly indicated at least, a bunch of hardcoded synergies that are sometimes rly obscure maybe not ideal but haha
the system just got added so its not like much can b done
and i guess its "interesting" while not exactly harmful
fossil finch
Point being ds speedkill in 2 ticks
funny
Now let's move on to important things
Does anyone have an idea on how to properly document the hm rework in a way that's both not easily misseable and also not comedically immersion breaking
cobalt pewter
I think I like Crashlands' mobs having resistances and vulnerability, because it's not like it's a flat x2 and x0.5 for the values, each mob can either strongly be resistant to one thing, another can be slightly more vulnerable to most elements
but best of all the game's Data tab documents everything
cobalt pewter
Does anyone have an idea on how to properly document the hm rework in a way that...
your best bet is Bestiary
but 1.4
fossil finch
exactly you don't point proven
cobalt pewter
:trol
wait
hm rework
:death
I thought you're still talking about the debuff thing
which can be easily documented with bestiary
small timber
Shouldnt the "rework weapon" suggestion get exclaimed? Since if it is talking about large scale rework/addition it is never gonna happen through just suggestion or is already in devs plan (making it happen with/out suggestion regardless)
fossil finch
Calamity patchouli in 203747
small timber
And also a lot of redundant formal words used (dear dev... Sincerely...) Etc
lucid flare
mf talking like they sending an email to their teacher or something
gray nebula
I think I like Crashlands' mobs having resistances and vulnerability, because it...
i mean im not saying systems like that are univerally bad yeah its just inthe context of terraria oeieoe
cobalt pewter
i mean im not saying systems like that are univerally bad yeah its just inthe co...
factual
gray nebula
DD does it very well (and also utilizes debuffs really well since theyre not overused)
Darkest Dungeon my dearly beloved
fossil finch
deezduts
gray nebula
fk you!
fossil finch
dam
fossil bronze
i think you could get away with minimal documentation if you had like
a tiny amount of enemies, and they all had a small amount of specific types that each had their own resistances
fossil finch
anyways when do we get a calamity brand book made a la minecraft modded guide book
cobalt pewter
pff
dense ferry
Fuck that's funny